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Colin Cowherd Podcast - College Football Reaction: Travis Hunter Wins Heisman Over Ashton Jeanty, Bill Belichick
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Unknown Speaker
Well, my first reaction was, I don't believe it. Because Bill, it's been his arch nemesis. The hatred was palpable. For the last 25 years, he despised the Jets. Then he finally gets a microphone in front of him for the last six months and he, I, you know, he, he'd pick his spots. One to be critical and name people. He never hesitated with Woody Johnson. The moment they hired Robert Salah, he put all his chips in the middle of the table. I would say was as critical of him as anyone in the quote unquote media. Especially like NFL type person. And he didn't talk like that about other people. So my reaction was, listen, I know Mike Tanenbaum and everyone reported that, you know, Woody didn't tell people this. Mike who's running the search told people. And they've known each other since Cleveland. I, I have a hard time seeing Bill beg the jets. And that would be an easy one if you're Woody Johnson. You know, everyone keeps talking about people or Bill flipping the middle finger and the NFL flipping the middle finger to him. Bunch of fus going back and forth. This would be an easy one for Woody. Like, let's put out there that Bill was begging me for a job because what's Bill going to do, leak something when he's in North Carolina? It's kind of like he's just off doing something else. Now if it is true, which, I mean, very credible people are reporting this. Pretty embarrassing for Bill that he's begging the jets for interest. I mean, I. And maybe he knows. And that's obviously the contract. I remember Simmons used to write about, like when celebrities would date and one celebrity would be way more famous, the other celebrity. It would be hard to maintain that relationship. It would usually end badly when they were both Demi Moore, Bruce Willis. Right. Two famous people, they could work well. This is Belichick's fame and his football aura is in a different planet than UNC football. So he could take advantage of them in a negotiation. That never happens at that level. No one would sign a five year contract, new football coach and put that in. But also, if he's, if it is true he's begging Woody Johnson for the jets job, is he going to have that many more options in a year? Like, what would he have to do if his stock is low right now? Would he have to go 10 and 2 in year one? Like, could he just go 6 and 6 and people would think highly of him? I don't know. I mean, I, I actually kind of believe he just might be stuck there and he's just all in. Because the one thing people, I remember being, I think in college and reading the Halberstand book and he's, he, he can get sentimental only about his father. I think the dad thing means something to him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
And his dad having coaching there, he brought out that sweatshirt that he had from UNC when he was there. So I just don't think they're going to be potential options. And I just think he might just be stuck There. But you're right. I mean, that's. That was a pretty glaring. Like, that's not getting put in any of these contracts.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, the fact that he can leave before he coaches a game is wild.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, don't you think the $10 million buyout even to start, is relatively low? They can't fire these guys five years in that their buyouts are 50 million.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it just. I think. I mean, Urban Meyer just didn't fit pro football. I don't think Bill's personality. I don't think it fits college. He was introduced at a basketball game and it just looked so odd. It was like, oh, this does. And by the way, I've called multiple people that know Bill, and they just can't wrap their brain around it. So I can root for something. I can simultaneously hope he does. Well, I want to watch the games, but think it could be a mess. It won't be. It's not like they'll win four games. The ACC is bad. Their schedule is embarrassing. They get. The toughest game they play is Clemson. I mean, they get. It's a bunch of Wake Forest. I mean, those are the tough ones. Syracuse, it is. Duke, it's bad. And North Carolina has always had pretty good players. But I don't know, I just. When I saw the jets story, I thought, wow, okay, I want to touch on this. So Ashton Gentee finishes second to Travis Hunter and the Heisman. Now, that's what I would have voted. I think when you have a historically unique player like Travis Hunter, who played against much better competition, and my take on college football in the NFL, it doesn't really matter who you play. If you win your division, you're in. If you qualify for the playoffs, you're in. It does matter in college. That's why there's four Big Ten teams in the playoffs, three SEC teams in the playoff, and two ACC teams in the playoff because the ACC is weaker. So it does matter who you play in college. And Ashton Gentee had 270 yards and six TDs against Georgia Southern. Now, he was good against Utah State, 186 yards. He was very good against San Jose State and Wyoming and Hawaii. And unlv. He. Hell, he got three touchdowns against Oregon. I'm not denying any of that. He had 209 yards against Nevada. But it is hard for me with about 80% because I consider Oregon and UNLV a couple of times pretty solid teams. But it is hard for me in college. Hell, you could probably go every third year and find Somebody at Holy Cross, you know who dialed up big numbers. I do think your schedule matters. I've said this about college football. If you're road games, what is your road attendance? If the average road attendance you face is like 33,000, it's different than playing in Camp Randle and the Shoe and Michigan and Austin. So I wasn't bothered by it. Travis Hunter played against better players. Did it bother you that this kid that's going to go in the first round finished second?
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Unknown Speaker
No. I mean I would have voted. Listen, I got my start out of college in the whack which at the time was Boise State now turned into the Mountain West. It is not the same. And at Fresno State Pat Hill always would hang his hat on. Our three non conference games were against power five big time opponents. It's a different world than playing New Mexico and San Diego State. And listen, he is, I would say he is a universal favorite amongst the NFL scouting community. Genti. Honestly, his only knock is he's like 5 8.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
If he was 6ft tall or 5 11, I think he'd be a lock top 10 pick. Yeah, I, I do think he's going to be a fascinating draft prospect because his tape is like, I mean it's about as unique and dominant as you'll see. But he's small. I mean you see a five eight running back going in the top 15, that's hard. But I think he'll end up going in the first round. I think Travis Hunter, I bet there are a lot of players let's just pick the last 20 years, either wide receivers or corners that if they had played the opposite position, you know, if they were wide receiver and they had played corner or corner and played wide receiver, that they could have been elite and been a first round pick and they were first round pick at the position they played. But we have never seen a guy literally play them both since like the leather helmet days and be universally accepted. He's the number one corner. He might not be the number one wide receiver, but he's a lock. If he was only a wide receiver to go in the top 10 or 12, I mean it's and every single game and you're watching as a season went on that it's like this can't, he can't and then he just would. And it's just 110 snaps, 105 snaps, 112 snaps. And in the Big 12 playing corner, which to me is harder than wide receiver to be good at because it's a, that's A passing conference. So he's run around to be able to play wide receiver and he dominated at. I also thought one, he sounded like just a great guy and he feels like a. An easy person to root for. What if you're Colorado and you pulled the trigger on hiring Deion Sanders? I know year one was a disaster, but in terms of the popularity it brought you, it was a win to be year two have your first Heisman since the running back in 94 to go nine and three to have this guy and Shador which are going to be top five picks. I just don't think it gets any better. I mean it's an all time turnaround at a program that 90% of the coaches that would have gone there would. I mean best case this year would have been like 6 and 6 and there would be no top 10 picks. The guy won a Heisman. And you hear the way. And part of this is why Dion. It's also why I think Bill will be fine in recruiting is because I. I think what really, you know, Dion's. Dion acts like Dion. Since I was a kid he was playing. He just acts the same now he's just a coach like Bill. Just be yourself, you know. I think that's why Brian Kelly takes some shit. He kind of acts like kind of faking it. He's like being a politician like Saban just felt like Saban. Right. Kirby just feels like they just. They're very comfortable in their own skin. Even Chip, you know, Chip's kind of honorary. He's not going to kiss your but that's how he's been for 15, 20 years. And I think Deion. It's remarkable what they accomplished. It really is. Now I check recruiting rankings before. They're not very high for this next year. But Deion's not big on the high school kids. That's right big on the portal. So it's hard to totally judge him that way. But I thought it was a really cool moment for just when are we ever going to see this again? Colin, he starts at two positions. Corner. Non quarterbacks, one of the harder positions to play. And he's. That's where everyone in the NFL is begging him to play. Like please play corner. Right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I think he'll be a better corner than an offensive player in the NFL. He's 185, 88 pounds. He'll probably be a corner because timing is such an essential part of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. It's hard for me to see an elite quarterback saying yeah okay, kid. You'll just be here for half the practice. I don't. That's just not the Brady's, the Rogers, the Staffords, like Goffs, they want you in on every snap. Like the idea that you're going to be on the other side. But I do think if he goes to a really bad team, my guess is the Giants have the number one pick.
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Unknown Speaker
He's going to a bad team because he's going to be. He might be the first overall pick. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think, yeah, I mean the Giants, I would say would take Shador Sanders. Vegas could take Cam Ward, maybe Travis Hunter. You know, maybe again I could see Vegas going for Sam Darnold and saying we'll take Travis Hunter number two. I could absolutely see that because not Telesco. And Cam Ward's interesting. Like, I don't know if that's the personality fit he wants because Cam is edgy and Tom's not into that. But so my take though, he's probably again for a bad team play both ways. But I might, I think he'll end up settling as a corner. Am I wrong?
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Unknown Speaker
Well, that's what everyone's pushing him to play. But when you look at the contracts, it pays to be a wide receiver.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, that's what, that's what I wonder about.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, Brandon IU caught 75 balls and he got 75 million in 30 a year. So it's, it's. And if you're good now, I don't know if he's Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, but those guys get Nick Bosa money. So financially now I do think we're going to see. You know, everyone thought that Sauce Gardner was the greatest thing since Darrell Rivas and Richard Sherman. Well, actually the better player is Derek Stingley and he's going to be up for a new contract and I think, you know, and even Sauce, if they get a new coach and he gets back to playing good football, you're talking 89. I think their numbers will get much higher with some of these younger Patrick Surtain higher numbers at corner that will continue to rise. But the NFL wants them to play that because it's much easier to find a wide receiver. I can find a guy in the third or fourth round who can catch me 80 balls. It's Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley were top five picks. You know, to get the high end guy like Richard Sherman's an all time outlier. A Hall of Fame level player that you find in the fifth round. Like that doesn't happen very often. In corner. Most guys are drafted high at that position. But, like, what if he wants to play both ways? My theory on that is I do think physically it's very hard to play corner against. Every team has good receivers now. So we said it was hard in college to go to the NFL to do it. It'd be hard to, you know, maintain your health doing both, I think, at the NFL level. And two, if you're a team, if you're my starting corner, one of my starting wide receivers, if you get injured, I lose two spots, right? So it's. It's kind of a weird spot to be in, right? It's why I thought one day, well, if you could pay him, could he just shatter records and get this unique contract because he's like Shohei Otani. Well, let's say in five years, he actually does both and I give him $150 million. Well, then he breaks his leg. I just lost my best wide receiver in my best corner. If Stingley gets hurt, I don't also lose Nico Collins, right? So it becomes a little. There's. Listen, Dion was an awesome player to watch as a kid. They let Dion play some wide receiver to just make him happy. But he wasn't just running out every play with Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice, Right. This dominated corner, which I think everyone's going to push him to be, but you know, agents and money people go, look at these wide receivers, how much money they're making. So I. I wonder if it's going to be a little, you know, tug of war on the business side. Also, the Shador thing, can you. Shador in the. In. In prime and the Mara family. Sign me up for that. Because you talk about it, Talk about a team that needs some life. You talk about a lifeless franchise. Right?
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Colin Cowherd
Now, I text Ian O'Connor, very respected new York columnist today, and I said, are they going to keep Brian D. Is he safe? And his text to me, without getting into everything he said, was they would like to, but you've got planes flying overhead. They're getting blown out. I mean, the jets, to their credit, they're playing their ass off today. I mean, they're airing the last playing the Jags. No, they are, but let me just give Aaron some credit here, because I know everybody thinks I pick on him just to give Aaron some credit. Let's see, here we go. Aaron Rodgers, if you go look at his last. Aaron, in his last seven games, has 13 touchdowns, a pick and a hundred passer rating. So the Devontae thing, if you Watch today. They've got a real relationship now. It takes time. So Aaron and Devonte are cooking. I like their personnel. It's. It's. You know I said Last week on FS1 I kind of thought the Giants had a brighter future but it looks like to me the New York Giants have quit on Brian D. I would agree.
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Unknown Speaker
I thought they. That game was unw. I mean the Ravens, it was a practice. It was a joke. Say this about the jets, they threw up a stat, you know, down the stretch of the game. I think they were, they were. They've lost five games with fourth quarter leads and coming into today they were 0 and 7 in games decided by less than a touchdown. So they have been in a lot of these games.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
I think, I think people could make the argument is listen, they were never going to take out the Bills to win the east but this season could easily be closer to 500 if a couple things go right for them now today because part of it right. Remember their schedule started hard and it got easier at the end and they lost.
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Colin Cowherd
So they won 32 to 25 and had 400 yards of offense.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, no, Aaron was good today. Like if they got that Aaron now again they're playing the Jags who have an awful defense or just a bad team. But if he played like that they would be okay. And like you said Devonte, even Lazard, they had a play that he dropped a ball. Aaron was putting it. One thing I had been critical on Aaron is like God, has he lost his just pure accuracy. That made him such a special player today. He was hitting guys in the hands constantly and he wasn't missing the layup place and yeah, I mean I. It'll be fascinating to see what happens there. They got a lot of cooks in the kitchen. You know Tannenbaum running this search. You know I think John Mora, I think he's just hesitant to just keep firing people over and over. But like what are you supposed to do? Like this ain't working out.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. McAdoo and Schirmer and Salah Judge or not Sal. Excuse me, Joe Judge. McAdoo Judge Shermer, Solace Jets. Yeah. Aaron went 16 to 30, 290 yards, three touchdowns. He also ran six times and averaged seven and a half yards a run. So whereas Kirk Cousins office surgery in 40, has. I mean it's gone off the cliff. Aaron's actually I think last week in a losing cause last two weeks I've watched Aaron. I thought he's been really good.
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Unknown Speaker
I would agree. I Mean, he's been way better than he was early in the season, which is kind of, I would get guess if you're a Jets fan or just someone that like he might be on the team, somewhat optimistic, you would think it would go the other way. Older player, 40, 41 years old, would fall off a cliff as the season went on. He's actually still has a lot of energy. Kind of hit me today watching those two teams because at one point in time it looked like the jets were going to lose. I mean Devonte had to, Devonte had like 200 yards today. Is, is it kind of crazy that the NFL is hitting all time popularity with the jets and the Giants really for the last decade plus being just atrocious football teams?
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Colin Cowherd
I, I said this recently. The most successful teams in this league are Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Buffalo. Those are your franchises. The New York teams are a mess. Chicago's a mess. Until this year, D.C. 5th, 6th biggest city in the country was a mess. A high profile team like Pittsburgh, not a Super bowl contender like you start looking around Dallas, the biggest brand in the league, really regressing quickly. It is remarkable in the NBA you've got, you know, New York's viable. I mean the warriors are still viable. The Lakers won in the bubble several years ago. I mean Dallas is good. That's a big market team. Philadelphia is good, Boston's good. Those are big market cities. Houston, another big market. Interesting Hawks playing well in Atlanta and their ratings are, are no circling the drain. The NFL's biggest markets are a mess and in a lot of instances they're unwatchable. And it just shows the power of the NFL. I think there's a lot of reasons the NFL is king. It's relatable, we watch it, we bet it. It's built for television. There's one game a week. As society gets wider and more distracting, it's one game a week. I think that's a huge part of it. But college football ratings are up and women's basketball ratings are up and March Madness was up. The NBA continues to just not. I think the load management, I think the aesthetics. Everybody's shooting 43s and I think they have their best players in the wrong markets. But I don't know if a league is bulletproof. But I mean I sit around and I can't wait for Sundays. I mean the early window today was pretty awful. It was the worst early window of the season, but I couldn't wait for the afternoon. And I think that's the power of the Sport it just makes me think about it before the day starts.
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Unknown Speaker
I also think this, the explosion of college football, the nil, the transfer portal, now the playoffs. You're just watching the incoming talent so you just get to basically fans get to scout. It's pretty clear all the best teams have the best players. That's why I actually think Belichick is going to be I mean how many big time games I would imagine over the next couple of weeks they, they got money to spend going to land some transfer portal guys. I just saw they kept the best recruit they had in the class was a quarterback. They kept them like if they are interesting next year that that just bleeds into the NFL because it's all kind of layered now. I feel like starts on Saturday. I don't know about you, it was nice actually to take a deep breath. It's been a long season but I did also miss like you know with a lot of respect for the army Navy guys love the over in that game. Both those two teams been scoring a lot of points but I, I missed just the SEC game or Ohio State or Michigan. There just wasn't anything. It was weird. It was a weird feeling yesterday without it, you know, it really was.
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Colin Cowherd
John Mittelkoff former NFL scout three and out we do our hour to hour 15. We do it every Sunday. I'm going to go when I watch the Packers I'm crossing my fingers. I have them -2 and a half. I do not remember having an 0 for 4 early day and not only did I go over 4, all of my teams got run. I mean I was on the run. I almost picked Denver to win in cover. I got talked out of it. Shame on me. But I've had better weeks.
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Unknown Speaker
I dare you to pick the Raiders tomorrow on television. I kind of like them. They're. They're bound to take someone out down the stretch. A weird game Falcon be taken out.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought that about Cleveland today and boy was I wrong.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. See you Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
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