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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast - Cowboys Offense On Fire To Start Season, Should Cowboys Hire Belichick? Did Dallas Win Parsons Trade? Dak Has Been Underrated
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Matt Mosley
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Matt Mosley
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Colin Cowherd
Now it's time for this week's redeemed team member brought to you by Hulu's Chad Powers. This week, it's Jake Moody, the Bears kicker released by the Niners after having a rough Week 1. On Monday, Jake got redemption. Four field goals, including the game winner against the Commanders, Chad Powers. Now streaming with new episodes Tuesday on Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Okay, I haven't talked to Matt Moseley in a long time. Host of the Doomsday Podcast with Ed Werder. But Ed's not here today, so let's just say Matt's the host and Ed will have to get, you know, deal with all the, you know, landmines after this. So first of all, long time no talk. It's. I thought this was a four win team. I thought Schottenheimer was going to be a disaster. And yet the offense is cooking with no CD Lamb. They're rebuilding the O line. Javante Williams looks pretty good. They don't have a number one receiver. I think Pickens is more of a two. What, what is Brian Schottenheimer, who hadn't interviewed for a head job in a decade and a half. What's the secret sauce here, by the way?
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Matt Mosley
I mean, they have CD Coming back, so, you know, I think we would agree he's a legit one.
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Colin Cowherd
He's great.
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Matt Mosley
Pickens playing himself into a big contract. And Cjerry has all this room now to deal with, you know, getting, trading Micah, he's got all the cap room in the world so Jerry can, can move around and do some things. I, it really is kind of sad though because it, it feels like it's going to be wasted. They're going to win more than four games. But, but they're, they're losing games. And this is probably the best Dax ever played. This is the most comfortable he's been. And thinking about what you just said without CD With Pickens in that last game, without even a run game. I mean, you know Bobby Brown from Texas A and M, the fifth year player out of A and M and whoever else Carolina was lining, lining up. You could name them all. Colin, they were, I mean, they had Javante bottled up and still Dak was fine. Yeah, and they're scoring 30 points a game and they had one hiccup and that was in Chicago and they had a really bad outing against Caleb in Chicago. But maybe Ben Johnson is turning that thing around. But this is a real, this is, but the offense is, is great. It looks so much better, honestly than even McCarthy because they're just more inventive. They're getting more people involved. The running game looks better, like what they're doing with their tight ends. I mean, think about that. Ferguson didn't have a touchdown all of last season. I don't get a single touchdown. He said like Four in the last four weeks. Yeah, like he's on a roll and, and then, you know, he's doing for Pickens what Romo used to do for the Lauren Robinsons. And you know, you remember old Miles, they had, I mean they've, they've had some. They, Miles Austin, you know, Romo used to elevate guys and Dax even doing that because Pickens looks incredible and he's looked like a number one. But I, I don't. I think you're for win. I think they'll exceed that. But only Colin because the NFC east is so bad. Like this thing looks bad right now and this could have been a year with a league average defense. Cowboys could have a great shot of winning this division. That's how bad the division looks right now. And, and they're not going to be able to do it because this defense is horrific. And there's no, I don't really see any path forward like anybody you could bring in.
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Colin Cowherd
What I've said this. It's the Shaq Kobe trade. The Lakers knew for two years Shaq was going to go to Miami with D. Wade and win more than Kobe was. But in the end, it was the right move. I think I am the only syndicated voice to TV or radio that has said, I love moving Dak. Jerry's a deal maker. In the last two years, he couldn't pay $8 million for Derrick Henry. You took the oil man and the Maverick and you muted his ability to do any deals because they were too top heavy. And now Dak is playing great. So you go in to a draft next year with two ones and you don't need a quarterback. Meaning, let's say they finish, they have the eighth pick, eighth pick, ninth pick. They could move down to 15, grab another three or a four or five, rebuild the defense. You know how it works. Defense is about collisions, is about blowing stuff up. You can walk in as a pass rusher, as an elite corner or a linebacker and play as a rookie and have an impact. I mean, Fred Warner did, Boses do, Micah did. You're not asking a tight end to learn how to block out of college or a quarterback or an offensive lineman where even if you're good, it takes a year. I think Dallas is going to take those first two draft picks. They're going to upgrade their defense. They'll have money to buy another playmaker. Kenny Clark's a nice get in that deal. I think Dallas long term is better without Micah. I just think you're going to lose this trade because Green Bay is going to win playoff games and you're going to look bad. You're going to look like Kobe with the Lakers waiting to get Gasol. Shaqs in Miami winning and everybody crushes you for two years. But in the end, Gasol was the better fit.
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Matt Mosley
Okay, but the quarterback is going to be 34 or 35 years old by the time you're turning the corner and getting all these picks in, so you might have to go get another quarterback too. And you're so, I mean, what's happening right now is they're wasting a brilliant year. He was second. I mean, I know we, we beat up on him and, and you have, and I have over the years to a certain extent. And he was number two in the MVP voting just two years ago.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
20, 23. Does he get hurt too much? Yes. Does he run the ball anymore? No. But like he's making right now, he's as, as efficient. I mean, there's not a quarterback in the league playing more consistently and throwing the ball better than Dak right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Totally. Totally.
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Matt Mosley
And I, I just don't know if they can turn it around as quickly as you're talking about. And plus, what a, what a deal to do to Eber Floose and even Shotty. What, What a deal. A week before, seven days or five days before the deal, you trade your one huge defensive playmaker and it's, it's, it's not just, oh, they're struggling against the run, they're struggling against the pass. It's a disaster. It's a disaster. So while I agree and it's interesting to see what they do with it, they're going to be on their third defensive coordinator in three years because I, if ever flu continues down this path, this isn't sustainable and they're not going to give him another season and so Shotty has to fire him. I mean, although it's not Shotty's decision. And again, that's where it all comes back to. I mean, Jerry medals so much. He didn't even allow this new internal candidate to hire his own defense coordinator. I think Eberfluss was in the building and probably hired before they'd even finished the deal with, with, with Schottenheimer. So again, this is the backwards dealings of an owner slash gm. But I mean, I, it'd be great if they could, if they could turn it and flip it. I mean, they'll have two first round picks next year. Maybe they find somebody. But I mean, think about what they're missing. Right now they don't have a decent linebacker. They're two stud defensive backs. They're two stud cornerbacks. That are what, 90 million worth? 90 million in the contracts combining for about 36 to 40 million this year just on this year's books are horrible right now. They don't have anybody's playing safety. They're playing Donovan Wilson completely out of position. They don't have a linebacker that can make a tackle. I mean, it's bad. It, this is, this makes like Rob Ryan, you know, look, look almost like he knows what he's doing. You know, go back to some of those guys he struggled with. So it's, it's just, I guess to me, Colin, I see what you're saying and I, I'll be interested to see what they're able to build moving forward. But as I've said to you before, it really is a gut punch to have locked into two quarterbacks.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
For 20 years now, the Green Bay packers have done it for 30.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Matt Mosley
Now they, I'm not saying they locked into it, although the trade for far, if you can say what you want. And they got a Rogers late way later than anybody ever thought Rogers would go in the first round. But they've had 30 years of great quarterback play. Cowboys are entering year 20 of tremendous quarterback play and have nothing to show for. At least the packers have one super bowl we say can point to one Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
Cowboys have zero.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
And not even an NFC title game.
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Colin Cowherd
So Dallas, I mean there's. How does the Dallas media, I mean, now that Mark Cuban has sold the Mavericks, Jerry is the centerpiece of that city's sports fortunes. How does the. When he fired Tom Landry, nobody liked him. Then when he built the empire, he was a big shot. Then he got rid of Jimmy and things sag. And how does the Dallas media treat Jerry Jones? What is it like in those post game scrums? How is he treated? With reverence, with anxiety, with disrespect.
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Matt Mosley
Have you seen, have you seen me behind him in all those scrums? And I have to some reason I have to battle my way back there. I have to watch it because then later people show me my facial expressions. I've been around him so long that I can't hold it in. I'm just like, what, what in the world am I hearing? I, I think if anything people have gotten more where they'll just kind of. They know he's not going to change. He is entertaining. Nothing's ever going to change. They, they have A guy in Will McLay who's a good personnel man. There's a shot that they hit on these draft picks. I mean, they hit on a lot of these picks. They've hit on. They, they may, they may end up hitting on. I mean, every one of their offensive line. Now, when you ask them to go get a defensive tackle or sometimes the defensive end, they'll miss. They'll miss on some of that. But no, I, I think the media is just at this point, going through the motions. They know he's still the center of everything. It's kind of humorous because the head coach almost has to kind of. I think they wait to take. And it's smart of them to do this. They wait to take the head coach to the podium until Jerry's thing is finished. Because I would. When they didn't, and McCarthy would start before Jerry was finished, McCarthy might have like five people around him and there would be 45 to 70 people gathered around Jerry. So that's what it's all, it's what it will always be. And Jerry will keep doing this until he's well into his 90s. All right, he just turned 83. I think he just celebrated his 83rd birthday. But, but I, I think, I just think we're just so used to it, and so there's nothing, I mean, and, and so the head coach and everybody else has to wait and see what he said, and then they have to react to whatever he said.
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Colin Cowherd
The, you know, I will say I said, generally in the NFL, by the end of the second chapter, if your average NFL quarterback career is 15 years, 15 chapters of a book, generally by the middle to late stages of the second chapter, you know what they are. Josh Allen, end of his second year, jumping over linebackers. You're like, this is going to work. Burrow Herbert. We knew first year. Dak's unique. We're probably in chapter 11. And I talked about this a month ago on my show. They lost Zach Martin, Tyron Smith, CD Lambs now hurt. Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Dez Bryant, Zeke, all these formidable players, and yet Dak, if he is upright, will win 10 plus games. And I thought I was always fair with Dak, but he's lost hall of Fame talent, and it's rarely been replaced by hall of Fame talent. And Dax never had what you would consider or Andy Reid, a Sean Payton, a Bill Parcells, a Jimmie Johnson. And Dak's going to get hall of Fame votes. And Dak is having his best year. Think about this. And I came to this Conclusion about a month ago, CD Lamb's out. You don't have a number one receiver. You don't really have a number one tight end. The offensive line is mid and in a rebuild. Running game. Javante Williams does look like the Denver Javante Williams. And you're dropping 30 a game. Is that. I look at it and I'm like, I always try to be fair with these guys. Baker Mayfield, that was hard. Now I'm not. Dak Prescott's intelligence and maturity. I haven't even thrown in the Jerry Jones quotient, which is a lot to deal with. And a very aggressive big city media in Dallas. Quarterback for the Cowboys is shortstop for the Yankees. It's a big boy job. And I look at Dak and he's one of these quarterbacks. It took till about chapter 11. And I look at him and I'm like, if he gives me four more years like this, he's going to get a lot of hall of Fame votes.
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Matt Mosley
We're just going to have to.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, the critics, and I've been one. I'm not a harsh critic, but I always said he's a B plus quarterback. Have I just undervalued the intangibles, the maturity, the smart? I mean, I always thought he was smart. He was always great at the podium.
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Matt Mosley
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
But I mean, Jalen Hurts is not good from the pocket. Dak is good from the pocket. We can't deny that. He doesn't run like he used to, although he's got a little bit of juice this year. I don't know. I look at Dak and I'm like, hell, he's playing as well as anybody right now.
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Matt Mosley
Yeah. And I only spent 10 years trying to convince you of this. And I do. I do think after some of those playoff games, when I would come on and say the intangibles, the way he leads, the way people respond to him. Not. You weren't the only deaf ears that was falling on. It was just the D. The problem with Dak is, is, you know, and it happened to Romo, too. Like, Dak. Romo was great early. I mean, now he had to wait till he got his turn. But by 2007, he was rolling. That team should have made it to an NFC title game. And he was better than Eli. He was absolutely a better quarterback than Eli. But Eli won two Super Bowls, so how are we going to view them? We're always going to view Eli as the better quarterback. You know, Dak had the same kind of issue. Deck was great in 2016, Romo had to give a concession speech. Yeah, they thought they were going to get two or three more years out of Tony Romo.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Matt Mosley
And Romo finally had to come out and write a concession speech and go, he's been great. And I, you know, my time has been great here and I'm going to turn this over to Dak Prescott now. And so Prescott was then held to like this high standard that we don't hold most fourth round picks to. He was a fourth round pick, but he had a great year out of the shoot. And it's just like, man, this guy's got to be great for the next 10, 15 years or whatever. And he's had his down moments and he's had his great moments. He was good against Tom Brady in the Bucks in the playoffs. He was good against when they had to play the packers and Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs and they lost that game in 2016. He's had good moments in the playoffs. But all you remember are the horrible moments. The San Franciscos, the, the, them getting crushed against the packers in 2023. So he's defined by that. And, and here's the thing Stafford's had. Stafford had the same career. Stafford had the same career as Deck, but he was playing in Detroit. And we didn't hold him to the same standard even though he was the number one overall pick and made $50 million immediately we held him to a different standard because he didn't play for the Cowboys. So what you said early on was right. Shortstop for the Yankees, quarterback for the Cowboys. Like he's had the exact same career as Stafford, but he didn't get the Super Bowl. He doesn't have the Super bowl. And guess where DeMarcus Ware had to go to get that Super Bowl. Another team had to go over, they had to go over to Denver and then he got one with Peyton Manning. You got a Super bowl finally. Teams here don't get Super Bowls and so you can have great careers. I don't think Dak will see the hall of Fame because I just don't think there's much evidence of, other than, I mean, and Marino at least made it to the Super Bowl. I mean, you have to put up massive numbers for 10 or 15 years like he did. And Dak won't do that. I mean, Dax not man. And sadly, Dak, to your point, I mean, he is playing great, but, and I know quarterbacks are playing better into their mid-30s now, but are they really going to get this thing turned around? And be good in his next two years. I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Maybe.
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Matt Mosley
Maybe he gets hurt a lot too.
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Colin Cowherd
Don't forget Jackson Dart. The Giants went from pathetic to very interesting. This is a weird league. Washington last year was great. Now what are they? Bears were untenable. Now they're three and two. This is a weird league. Like, if you have the quarterback and Dak is Clearly a top 12 quarterback, you can get better really fast in this league. Like really. I mean, Seattle could be undefeated right now. Darnold's better than Geno. I mean, it's. It's. I think if you have Dak and you have CD and this. And then, I mean, let's say you go in the draft, you're two firsts and you get an edge rusher and a top corner. Second round, you get an elite tight end. Those three guys inserted into the starting lineup. Dallas is a real team.
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Matt Mosley
Yeah, but they already have top corners. They're paying huge money to their quarterbacks and they're not playing. They're not any good.
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Colin Cowherd
I know.
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Matt Mosley
So I mean, I don't know if you go. Yeah, I mean, it's. And where you can't totally come around on Dak is when I hear you say He's a top 12 quarterback, it doesn't come naturally out of you to say what he is, which is a top eight quarterback. You're right.
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Colin Cowherd
You're right.
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Matt Mosley
It's not natural.
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Colin Cowherd
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America is changing and so is the world.
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Tristan Redman
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Asma Khalid
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, you're beyond. This is, you know Texas college football very well. I, I threw this out a month ago. I said in a weird way, Arch Manning taking all the arrows this year has actually taken the pressure off Sark. I mean, Texas runs through football coaches, and, you know, Sark's building this thing up and Art struggling. Nobody's talking about Sark. Sark's not getting any heat in these games. And it's like it's a good reprieve because the O line's been bad. Arch has struggled. How does that get covered where you're at? The. The Arch man, Because I don't think he's a bust. I just think I said this when the athletic came out with that. Arch Manning is the biggest flop ever. And I went back to his senior year of high school. I took the four best quarterbacks. One is a hit. Dante Moore, Nico I. Amaliava. One gets now at Auburn, there's archmac, as you know, because you follow some high school recruiting, these five star quarterbacks, if it's a, if it's a 50% hit rate, I'm shocked. How is, how is Arch viewed in Texas? Is it, you know, Mannings aren't Texans, but Texas football is, you know, kind of king. How does that, does that story get any play where you're at?
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Matt Mosley
Yeah, I mean, it's huge play. And the great thing for him and Sark is he had a decent day against. Oh, you.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
And in this part of the world that defines you. I mean, you probably don't remember Peter Gardere, but he went 4 and oh against the Sooners. And so he's a made man. He'll never pay for a drink in Austin. And so. And you know, Arch is held to a completely different standard than even the top, you know, five stars. We see five stars all the time that don't meet expectations and then have to bounce around and nobody keeps bringing it up. People just kind of forget about them. Yeah, but his uncles were incredible. His, his, his grandfather is beloved. He had, you know, there was almost a no win situation. He had to come in and be brilliant in his first time ever starting with the team. The best thing I can hear about Arch is his teammates absolutely seemed to love him and you do see times when people, like, by the way, this Cowboys team is turning on this defensive coordinator and they're starting to rip on him. When a team's going poorly and a quarterback's going poorly, you start to hear whispers from their teammates. And that's not happening in Austin. And by the way, it's an easy place to whisper because you can find those kids out on 6th Street. You can go find them and you can get them talking. All right? But they're not. They're not talking about Arch, and they seem to love him. And so he seems to have gotten past, at least with his own teammates. This born with the silver spoon in his mouth. I don't think a teammates think of him that way, but everybody else that watches the team and even covers the team does kind of see him.
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Colin Cowherd
Now, I can say I know Cooper very well. I casually know Eli. I've only met Peyton once, but I have dealings with Omaha Productions, which is, you know, Peyton, I have never thought. I think the Mannings are remarkably humble. I mean, just. Eli may be the most. I mean, think about this. A Louisiana kid goes to New York and for like 20 years, completely, only Jeter maybe handled the press better. Eli handles the New York press for two decades perfectly. Eli is one of the great guys that has ever been in pro sports as a human being. I mean, he went to New York as a Southern kid and charmed him. And by the way, totally authentic. Nothing's fake, Eli. The three times I've been around him, he's the exact same guy, by the way, with.
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Matt Mosley
And I hope you have so many associations, it's hard to know. So I hope I'm not going to rip some guy that is buddies with you, but Tiki was undermining him like crazy early on.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, was he?
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Matt Mosley
And the stuff he was calling him in the huddle like. But I mean, I remember showing up there when I was@espn.com and they were. They were having to basically give the guy, like, body language classes, like, Eli, stop making this face. Stop lowering your head. Do it this way. You can't hang dog it like that because that's just who he was. That's just the man. And of course, then he has the incredible 2007 run, and he has another super bowl run, and then he's a made man and it didn't finish well. But he did enough to. But. But, oh, my gosh, you should have seen Tiki. The stuff he was like, he was being. I mean, they were awful to Eli. It was like they're pledging him, man, it was like when you're trying to go Sigma Chi or whatever, they were all over him and, and he was. That was a rough time early in his time because he was the number one bonus baby and his dad had taken over and, and gotten him to be drafted in a different place. And that as we see with, you know, any of these quarterbacks who have famous dads, then you have to wear that for a while, you know, in the league. But to your point, I used to, I used to get in the car and ride around with Eli and do stories on him at Giants practice and it couldn't. You're right, he to be from this famous family and I saw him in social situations where people were trying to flood around him and he was truly. It wasn't like just he was playing possum. He was almost kind of like troubled by it. So what I love now is that he's very funny. Like he and Peyton are perfect together, genuinely. Yeah. It isn't that the perfect thing they found. Why put yourself through the wringer of having to do a three hour game every Sunday and do all that? Why not just sit there and goof off for a game and they're great at it and, you know, I find myself watching that more than the actual game.
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Colin Cowherd
So how are you doing, my man? I mean, we don't get to talk. We're both busy as hell. Are you still doing that? Are you still doing that ESPN radio show down in Bay Area?
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Matt Mosley
Yeah, Central Texas, that whole area I left. I've got a new YouTube show through Rogue media. Appreciate you asking me. The Matt Mosley show so people can find it wherever they find that. And I thought about this when you said something about being syndicated. Now my syndication doesn't quite go to as many states as you do, but several states across the Southwest. Now I'm a part of something called the Eradio Network. And so I do a radio show that hits all the Fox and ESPN affiliates in about five states in the morning. And by afternoon I do this YouTube show. So we're all doing YouTube shows now. I saw Michael Irvin is doing one and I know your production staff, Josh and the whole gang were very impressed that I actually went out and I bought myself like a tracking camera and all the things that you need to really, you know, really act like a grown up in this business. So. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And now for our next segment, whiskey business. Yes, Whiskey business. Brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey of the Colin Coward podcast. I want to Go back to the mica trade. So there was a lot of finger pointing, and a lot of my audience isn't in Dallas.
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Matt Mosley
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
And I've always leaned on guys like you who know, you know, you're a soldier, you're a foot soldier. You're in the belly, you know, of this beast, the Cowboys. When the mica trade went down, people overwhelmingly didn't like it. But could we blame anybody now? Was it. I mean, because the national press was basically, Jerry doesn't know what he's doing. And my take is you're not one of the richest Americans. It's almost like I always tell people about Trump, whether you like him or not, what he's done in the Middle east with the border, he won for a second time. Pretty competitive country. He can't be a dope. There's got to be the light bulbs got to be on most of the time. Jerry's been too rich, too successful, too smart in business to not know what he's doing in that deal. He knows when the money doesn't sound right. I defended it because Micah, in big playoff games and in big games sometimes disappeared and was engulfed by the better left tackles. How did it play? Is there. If you look at it now in hindsight, could it have ever. I mean, they didn't make him an offer, Matt.
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Matt Mosley
We don't know. I mean, I don't even know he made him an offer. And that's where the thing fell apart is because it came across to the agent and Micah later on that Jerry tried to take advantage of him. And that's where the thing went south. Jerry thought he had a deal with him and it was going to be massive deal. I don't think it was going to be as good of a deal as he got with the Packers. The shocking thing about this is Jerry's never let me. Yeah, they had the Herschel Walker trade and all that, but he's never had, like, a guy who's arguably the best defensive player in the NFL. He's never let a superstar get away. I mean, he. He did a horrible deal with Zeke. I think he just honestly flat out got tired of getting beat on these deals. He makes, you know, CDs, the highest paid receiver, second highest paid receiver in the game. Dax, the highest paid quarterback. I think Jerry saw an opportunity to, in his mind, go a different direction here, and they just made each other mad. I think he embarrassed and tried to make Micah look like a guy who was confused and didn't understand the business. Okay. And then I think all that stuff Micah did, I mean, I still think it could have, they could have gotten a deal done. And then Micah went to camp and I was there and Micah started showing people up and, and, and getting on and taking naps and lying down on the trainer table or, you know, training table on the, during a game, my, I think both sides kind of embarrassed each other and then they moved on. Now what I wonder about is when a guy gets traded, you'll start hearing leaks and you're like, oh, this is a bad guy. Or he was immature and he was this and that. I will say, you talk about me being there and all. I mean, I watched him and he was trying to be a leader. Like, I'm not saying he was great at it, but Micah, I was, I was at his locker almost every single game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
And while other players were slinking out of there after a lot of those losses last year, Michael was trying. Now he would screw up and accidentally throw his coach under the bus. Like he had moments where he messed up and he sounded like a 24 year old kid or 25, whatever he is. But man, he, I think he tried more than they're letting on. And I think he's, I think deep down, even with all the money, I think people go, he got 47 million, who cares? He's fine. He's with the Packers. I think his feelings are hurt and I think Jerry tried to make him look bad. And Jerry embarrassed him and Jerry embarrassed the agent. I mean, Jerry now has to turn around, try to get a deal done with Mulaguetta on George Pickens. That's who, that's who Pickens agent is. He's now got to turn around. And Jerry not only embarrassed the player, but Jerry took aim at that agent. And that's just unnecessary. Why do you do that? Like, I've been with all those Rangers GMs and covered baseball for many years and do you think all of them hated Boris? Sure, there was a time when Scott Boris was the most hated man in all the sports. But they knew they had to deal with him. They knew if they wanted great players, they had to deal with him. Well, Jerry just decided, yeah, we'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'm just gonna piss this guy off. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna basically speak to the character and the, in the, and I mean, just completely undermine the agent and everything. So that's where Jerry did some weird stuff on this thing. Now I'm with you in some respects. I want to See how the trade plays out. But what fuels this trade is the wrong stuff. What fuels Jerry is this eternal deal to try to prove that he can do it without Jimmy. And so don't. It was when he brought up the Herschel trade immediately, the night the trade was announced with Micah. That's what all this is about. You realize that these are two old men in their 80s still trying to get back at each other.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And.
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Matt Mosley
And they'll make up, and they act like they love each other and they'll cry on camera and all this. But you know what? When Jimmy saw how that thing turned out, Netflix, Jimmy was like, that's just Jerry trying to rewrite history. Jerry, he. I guarantee you, he looked at that whole thing as a love letter to Jerry. And he thinks a lot of that stuff that came out in that documentary was just made up. Complete bs. The bet the guy who looked the best was Switzer.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [38:36]
Matt Mosley
Switzerland ends up looking like. And I had Switzerland the other day. And he's still unbelievable. His mind. You ought to have him on soon. His mind at age 88. He just turned 88. It's unbelievable. And he's funny. Now, he may say some stuff that'll get everybody in trouble, but Switzer actually looked okay in that documentary. Yeah, but. But I think that documentary is going to get Jimmy and Jerry back at loggerheads again. And so they'll just go off into their 80s, still mad at each other, because at the end of the day, that's all Jerry's trying to do, is win one without Jimmy, and he's never been able to do it. We're 30 years even. Even Washington. At least you had Washington. That had been forever since they had been the NFC title game. They go to one with Jay Daniels and you say. I heard you say, like, well, we don't know what Washington is right now. You know what, though? They appear to have a quarterback who's going to be there for a decade. I mean, that at least they're going to have fun. Same thing with New York. The Giants may win six games this year. They may win five games, but they're kind of interesting. All of a sudden, Dart's running around. I mean, he's doing a Baker Mayfield impression. He's probably a better athlete than Baker, but they kind of are built alike. They.
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Matt Mosley
The delivery seems alike. He probably has a better arm than Baker, but they're kind of alike in the way they approach it and the fun they're having. Those organizations all have something to look forward to. I mean, I'll tell you who doesn't have sympathy for the Eagles fans or the Cowboys fans. The Eagles fans have been to two. They've won two Super Bowls in the past decade and they're all whining and crying. Our offense looks bad and AJ's not happy and Jalen's not throwing the ball for that much. Or the last group that'll ever sympathize with them is anybody who's been around this Cowboys team because they Howie Roseman, and I think you said it. I think you were the one who said it. And I was talking to people from Philadelphia and they agree.
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Colin Cowherd
I had.
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Matt Mosley
I'm so Powell just the other day, that dude's going, the whole thing. Howie Roseman is going to the Pro Football hall of Fame. And I mean, he was lucky if he had a cubicle. And Chip Kelly was there. You know, they put him, they basically treated him like the movie the Office. And they just say, hey, can you, we need you to go down to the basement for a little while. And now he's going to go hall of Fame. And Jerry's just kind of still out, just, you know, wandering around in the darkness.
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Ed Helms
Hey, it's Ed Helms. And welcome back to snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu. Every single episode.
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Asma Khalid
32 lost nuclear weapons. You're like, wait, stop.
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Matt Mosley
What?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.
- [43:18]
Ed Helms
Basketball player who still wore knee pads. Yes. It's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good. I'm like, oh, wow. Angela and D. Jenna, I am so psyched you're here.
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Asma Khalid
What was that like for you to soft launch into the show?
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Ed Helms
Sorry, Jenna. I'll be asking the questions today.
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Asma Khalid
I forgot whose podcast we were doing.
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Ed Helms
Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Matt Mosley
Hey, one thing, by the way. You're not talking about these Aggies, boy, you and I know anytime we talk off air, you're like, hey, I know you think UT is the. Is this is the straw that stirs the drink. Oh, my Lord. In this state right now, you got that. You got this perfect mixture of a struggling Longhorns number one to unranked to whatever the rank. Now, Aggies could be. Could be a national contender, national title contender, are headed toward the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
Even the RC Slocum years, they always look the part. They're always big. They have NFL linemen, players, linebackers, receivers. They've always had good players. They haven't had a lot of great quarterbacks, but they've always had. You know, they're Texas A and M has looked the part my entire life.
- [44:57]
Matt Mosley
They need this guy just to be average. This. That's how. That's how good some of these linemen you talk about. One trip to College Station would. Would really do you some good. And I'm telling you this, Cassius, how like these. These linemen, they're Just running them through somebody named Regis, and they're just running through NFL linemen. And I get it now. The difference is they're great. They're actually really good on the O line. They're really good at running back, and they get the best receiving duo in the country right now. It's scary if they go to Death Valley and beat lsu. We're, we're. I mean, this, this is a whole different trajectory. And maybe this coach kind of has a little something going. He loves a good hoodie. He's kind of. He just fits them so much better than Jimbo. Jimbo is the most aloof dude. He, for some reason, Jimbo just didn't fit at all. And this, this, I mean, this Mike Ilko, he's got something going on, you know? Yeah, he's. He's got me wanting to wear hoodies.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I'm in. I live in Chicago now, so that's all I wear. I'm gonna get out of this dress.
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Matt Mosley
Yeah, but you're, you're still in the deal where you can wear like a thin guy hoodie. Like Elko and I have to have the. We gotta have a big hoodie to, to take us in. But the thin, the thin hoodie looks great on golfers and everything. I, I would love. There was a. There was a time I could pull it off, but we. Past that.
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Colin Cowherd
Matt Mosley, say hi to Ed. The Doomsday podcast. How often do you do that thing? A couple times a week. 90 minutes? Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
Yeah, we hit that thing pretty hard.
- [46:35]
Colin Cowherd
For.
- [46:35]
Matt Mosley
We just need the Cowboys to be horrible or really good. We just can't have them be in the middle. But we do that couple times. We'll have some big interviews. We'll do it after the post game, and then we have a whole bunch of other stuff we do. But yeah, Eds. I mean, I, you know, would it be easier if I had like 150 employees than having one employee in Ed? You bet. You bet. I, I would rather. I would rather try to have about a hundred. No, Ed's great and we're, we're doing fine. The Doomsday Podcast continues.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You've been doing it for how many years?
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Matt Mosley
Seven or eight years? That's something like that.
- [47:11]
Colin Cowherd
A lot of years to do a podcast.
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Matt Mosley
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it is the. You know, it's funny, maybe it's just the popularity of football, but I still find myself. Dallas is such an interesting brand because sometimes I don't, I don't know. You know, Jerry has always supported Dakota and one of the reasons I think he's supported him is because Jerry fears irrelevance. And Dak's good enough to always make you relevant. I mean, you look in this league, there's about seven teams every year that are unwatchable. The Cowboys are watchable. I didn't think this was going to be the year, but they're always watchable. There's a world that exists that CD Lamb comes back, the O line meshes and they win like nine games. That's a real thing. I mean, I've watched every snap of every game. They're a CD Lamb drop from having beaten Philadelphia. They played, they played a horrible game against Chicago. The defense was just lost, but they're in every. Like they play Washington this weekend. That thing could be 33, 30 coin flip either way. I mean, I just watched Caleb Williams and DeAndre Swift. I mean, DeAndre Swift. The holes created by the Bears O line against Washington. Dallas is going to drop 28, 30 points on Washington.
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Matt Mosley
And they have to do it. They have to score 30 to 35 a game. And to your point, the high wire act of watching them attempt to do it is kind of fun. And then they're capable of doing it. And where the point you made earlier was great one in that Dak, it used to be Romo could do this and Dak couldn't. Romo used to elevate bad offensive lines and kind of subpar offenses and he made some receivers a ton of money. DAK in chapter 11, I think you called it, has found a way to do that in that one game where they went out and went crazy against the Jets. Now the jets are dreadful, but four starting offensive linemen out and it didn't matter.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's right.
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Matt Mosley
Ball was coming out and you got to give Shotty some credit for that. The thing I hate for Shotty, it's like you in. In with pitchers, especially this time of year. We talk about give him a clean inning, get the reliever, wish we give him a clean inning, wish he could have had a clean start to his head coaching career. Wish about 5 days before that they didn't trade his best player to see what he could have done with a full arsenal of players because this marriage is not working and poor. They cleaned up Eber Fluss's haircut when he was in Chicago. They got his wife, got him closely cropped and she got some good things going there. But he lost his coaching career. He's lost his way. Well, and he can't fight. He can't find it. And there's nobody to turn this thing over to because he brought people with it. Yeah, they let. I mean, the same people that were with him when he failed in Chicago or with him now. I don't think there's. I do not think this defense is fixable.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Eber Fluss. You know, listen, we know coordinators often get elevated to head coaches, and they're just not built for it. And there's probably a few position coaches that get elevated to coordinators, and they're not built for it. Failure. You know, it's, It's. It's just part of football. I mean, I say this all the time. Jason McIntyre and I talked about it the other day. He asked, who's the next great automatic hire. So when the Broncos hired Peyton, you knew it would work. When the Chargers hired Harbaugh, you knew it would work. I argued in the off season, the Patriots were going to double their win total. Mike Vrabel was going to work about every other year. I mean, Mike McCarthy to Dallas was going to have some success. He's a solid coach. He and Aaron. Aaron can be hard to get along with. It's funny. If schottenheimer leaves. So McIntyre asked this question. Who's the guarantee? There's about one every other year where you're like, oh, yeah, that'll win games. Peyton, Harbaugh, Vrabel, McCarthy. If I said to you, brian Schottenheimer lasts a year, is there a name I got to. I'll throw it out at you. You're going to think I'm crazy here. You're going to think I'm crazy. Belichick. Let's do Belichick taking over. Bill Belichick takes over the Dallas Cowboys. College is a disaster. He doesn't fit. He doesn't have a college sensibility. Belichick, by the way, is not good with personnel. And you could go to him and say, bill, we do not trust you on personnel. We need a. Yeah, that. Nuts only.
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Matt Mosley
No, it wouldn't have been. But I think he's embarrassed himself, and I think he's hurt his credibility so bad. He hasn't damaged his legacy. That'll always be there. But. But he can't. I don't see him leading the team. And the fit's not good because the guy he learned from and he came up under Bill Parcells has already been with the Cowboys. And let me tell you. And I love Bill and still keep in touch with him. That was the most miserable I ever saw. Jerry. Jerry cannot function in a. In a world with a head coach like that. So into your point about McCarthy, isn't that funny? You know what I'm seeing right now when you say who are going to be the hot coaches? The NFL, his name is one of the first ones you see. It's same thing as James Franklin right now. He bottoms out with Penn State, and by the time these hires are made, Franklin's going to seem like this incredible choice for these SEC openings. Right. Florida, Auburn, Franklin won at Vandy. He's coaching the sec like Franklin's going to be a hot name. And he just. He just bottomed out three of the worst weeks in the history of college football. But, yeah, that's a fascinating thing to imagine, Belichick. But Jerry likes having a good time too much to put up with having a bad time to have a good time.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Matt Mosley
If you know what I mean.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Mosley
He can't. Yeah. And now he would like the Jordan Hudson aspect of it. Jerry would like that. He would like some of the sideshow if. If some of that came to town, but dealing, he would not want. I mean, Bill wouldn't want an owner out there. Now, here's the thing. Shoddy's doing well enough as an offensive coach that Jerry's kind of excited. So Jerry is in the mindset right now of if we just get. If we do something to get the defense going, we can do this with Shoddy, we can do this with shoti. Because there's a belief right now with the way Dax playing, that they found the perfect guy for Dak. So there won't be a firing after this season. I know. I remember you saying, maybe. Maybe Shoddy could be one and done. But Shot, he's doing too well on offense. He's doing too well on offense to get fired. So they have to go with their third defensive coordinator in the last three years. They cannot hire defensive coordinators. They're horrific at it. Mike Nolan was horrible. Quinn had a pretty good run. Quinn gets hired to be a head coach, then they have two more bad ones. They had Rob Ryan before Marinelli and Monty Kiffin. That was a rough. That was kind of a rough scene. They were kind of, you know, they were past their prime.
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Colin Cowherd
They're.
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Matt Mosley
They're right. They just can't. They're horrible at it. You know what, by the way, isn't it interesting that. That Garrett's never gotten another opportunity? Because it's like if you're decent with the Cowboys and you win a ton of games, and I promise you, when they interviewed him for the Falcons and the Ravens before he got the Cowboys job. He blew them all away like they were. They were blown away by Garrett. But I guess his. His time as the office coordinator with the Giants just kind of ruined his reputation, I think. I guess.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Jason Garrett is one of the few NFL coaches that would work very well in college. I think he's a very pleasant guy. He's very bright, kind of a gentle personality. He'd play to the ad, the donors. I think if Jason Garrett wanted. Wanted a college job, I mean, let's say, for instance, Michigan doesn't work for more. It just doesn't work. Jason Garrett, I've said this. There's a personality matters a lot as a college coach. It matters not one bit as a pro coach, but it does matter as a college coach. That's why I've always had Jon Gruden and Rex Ryan could work as college coaches. Belichick and Parcells. It wouldn't work. Saban's actually charming. Saban's funny. He's witty, great storyteller. Jason Garrett could work as a college coach especially. I mean, he's a really nice guy. I've texted him a few times. If you told me, you know, Stark's not leaving. If you told me, you know, let's. I'm just trying to think of a. You know, Tennessee's got the right coach. So does Alabama, you know, if you told me Michigan was open, a big job if Marcus Freeman ever left Notre Dame. Although I don't think he should or will. I think Jason Garrett works collegiately.
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Matt Mosley
That's interesting. Yeah, I. I think you're. I think you're right in some ways. If he had, if he could navigate the whole nil world, didn't he do Notre Dame games?
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Colin Cowherd
He's doing Notre Dame games. I mean, I've heard him doing those.
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Matt Mosley
He was. Yeah. And he. And he. And now he does the NBC stuff. Yeah, it's. It would just be. I think he thought he was going to get the. Offered the Duke job at one point, and maybe. Maybe that was when Elko got the job or something like that. That would have been a perfect job for him. Any sort of ACC that thinks of itself as like an Ivy League, that's. That's where Garrett could function brilliantly. And let's not, you know, you just rich in Michigan, they think of themselves as like lofty academics, intellectuals.
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Colin Cowherd
What do they call those Michigan men? Well, like, there's a. There's a term. It's called a something Ivy Penn State, Michigan, both view themselves as that. Like a non traditional Ivy League school. The education level is very high. Yeah, no, I. Garrett. Garrett could do it. College football, you're watching it with Belichick. Some of that harsh northeast grumpy shit. It doesn't work. You got to. You got to shake hands. You got to, you know, you got to sometimes dance in the locker room with the players.
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Matt Mosley
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Sorry. Do you know Mac?
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Matt Mosley
Well said. It's. It's very rare. Yeah. Even to your point. Even the great Saban, like, had players that would imitate him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Matt Mosley
And there was fun stuff that was probably happening and we didn't always see it, but now that you see that, he kind of can be funny and can smile and all that. But it's hard to run a program like that anymore, though. It's hard to be that authoritarian. Just hard fist. I mean, like, I wonder if Lanning, I know he got beat the other day is Signetti. I mean, that's. That's the biggest. That's the craziest story the past 20 years in college football. Some dude goes into. I mean, he's winning at James Madison. Who in the world would have ever known 60s. We had no clue. None of us. And he tried to tell us he is the. And at age 63 or 64, where kind of the. And I've seen people in the Big 12 like this climb and Lance Leipold, they're good coaches, but they're just kind of the same older tough dude. Signetti came in cockier and all get out. He's the cockiest coach in America. And he's like 65. And he's like, hey, Google me. You think I don't have to win? Google me. And he's. And he's just going out there and backed it up in Indiana. Like, I mean, Colin, they're like, great. They're linebackers, they're defensive ends. They're like, like, I just thought was he just great? Got a great scheme. What's going on here? And it's like, no, he's got great players. I still think that Lanning is pretty unbelievable. Yeah, I do. I mean, I don't know. I don't know if that works. I think that guy Arizona State, and I know they're losing right now. That guy's good too. You're right, though. At the collegiate level, though, that psycho coach can work. And Dillingham's that guy to Arizona State. Lanning's that guy at Oregon. But you know, what's the guy at Franklin Just wore out his welcome. He won a ton of games, but he just couldn't. He couldn't break through. And now and again, the next guy. There is no guarantee in the world that the next guy breaks through, because you know who. They're going to try to go higher. They're going to try to hire a Penn State man. They're going to convince themselves. We need Matt Rule. He played linebacker here, and he's the best at a, at a, at a, at a press conference in college football. He's the best. But you know what, what I mean, he's, he's done fine at college, but I don't think that's a knock it out of the park hire for Penn State. And I like Matt. He turned my alma mater around.
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Colin Cowherd
Matt Mosley. All right, I gotta run, buddy. So do you. We're busy, dudes.
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Matt Mosley
Extremely, extremely busy. I think I have a tent. I have a tennis match waiting.
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Matt Mosley
Warning.
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Asma Khalid
America is changing, and so is the world.
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Tristan Redman
But what's happening in America isn't just a cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
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Asma Khalid
I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.
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Tristan Redman
Tristan Redman in London, and this is the Global Story.
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Asma Khalid
Every weekday, we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.
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Tristan Redman
Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Matt Mosley
Johnny Knoxville here. Check out Crimeless Hillbilly Heist, my new true crime podcast from Smartless Media, Campside Media, and big money players. It's the true story of the almost perfect crime and the nimrods who almost pulled it off. It was kind of like the perfect storm in a sewer. That was dumb.
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Colin Cowherd
Do not follow my example.
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Matt Mosley
Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.