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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast - David Ross Talks 2016 Cubs Magic, Team USA Pressure & Launching New Podcast
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David Ross
Yeah, well, first of all, we're pumped to be on this, right? Like we're, we're so excited. This has been a journey that's taken on a life of its own already with the guys. But we started talk, we had the same agents playing and so we started talking about this after I was Done a little bit. And what was baseball gonna be like for us or life after us after baseball and you know, him just retiring two years ago. We started talking about this probably around that time of. We've got such a great relationship and we, we work well together and we're just good friends. And so us having a little bit of like we should do. Some of the podcast world has taken off obviously.
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Host/Interviewer
Right.
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David Ross
And with our history and how we met and just how we like to be around each other and we're very different in our thoughts about baseball. So it's been really fun to kind of banter a little bit with some of our old teammates and talk about some of these stories we had. But this has been in the works with us for a little bit. And then when you guys, you know, we kind of met with your group and how excited Logan and the team were, it just, it just was such a fit. They were so excited. There's so many couple there. It was, it was, it was like a no. We got off that call with you guys and it was like, that's the group. That's the group we've got to be with. They're. They're one. How professional you guys are on top of your stuff. But my goodness, the excitement are in the room. When we had those conversations were, were at the top, they were. There was nobody more excited and kind of on board with whatever we wanted to do and our vision. And so we're, we're super pumped. This thing, we've been, we've kept it under wraps for a long time. We're so pumped to break this thing out week.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah. I told, I went to dinner with Tom Ricketts about six weeks ago and I said, listen, you got to keep this under wraps, but we're doing a baseball podcast. And I said, and I told him about it. He goes, oh, shit. You guys got. He's like, that's like a can't miss prospect. He goes, so I want to go, I want to go back to this, to the World Series team. So you had this 108 year drought. And listen, baseball superstitious. And you can say nobody's talking about it, but it's one of the only times in my life, the country, even outside of Chicago, the country was rooting for Chicago. So that's even as popular as MJ was. They didn't like him in Detroit, they didn't like him in la. There were a lot of non MJ guys, you know, a lot. The Celtics didn't like him. Everybody wanted The Cubs to win. Beyond Chicago, there's never been a championship in any sport in my life. I mean, there's Olympic stuff, obviously. So I always felt like, oh, God, that's the most pressure ever. The country. It was almost Olympic feeling. At what point in that season did you guys. And let's just talk specifically you and Anthony Rizzo.
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David Ross
Yeah.
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Did you guys start talking about shit? We're, you know, you sweep a couple series, you know, you. You got the bullf in, right. You're sitting there, you know, you're hitting for power, well managed. When did you start thinking, God, this, this could be it?
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David Ross
Well, it goes back to 2015. That's what's kind of cool about this podcast, the Journey. And we had, you know, got Joe Madden signed, John Lester. I came aboard in 15. You know, Chicago had been through a lot of losing, had some young guys, Jake Area out of the trade, Pedro Strobe with Baltimore the year before. And you start to look at the season in 15. And we came together, we asked a lot of guys in this podcast, they all got the same answer. When did you think we were good? And there was a turning point in a. In a series in San Francisco or we played San Francisco at home late in the year.
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Host/Interviewer
I think it was in August 2015.
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David Ross
2015. 2015. And we went on a run. They were the defending champs, were good. Baumgartner, Posey. They had all the dudes. And we start. And everybody kind of points to that time of back end of the season. All the young guys kind of coming up. Schwarber, Addison Russell. Javi was kind of getting. Javi Baez starting to get his feet wet. Kb, Chris Bryant, obviously, like, I mean, these guys were coming along and young, and we had some veteran guys and we just took off, obviously making the playoffs and going deep and getting beaten by the Mets in the championship series in 15. And then when we went into spring training the next year, we knew we were good. They added. We brought Dexter Fowler back, which is amazing. Added guys like Ben Zobris, Jason Hayward. Yeah, Lackey. I mean, we added some pieces in 16. Theo went out and did his part and we got the spring training. I remember Miguel Montero tweeting out like, we are good. The hashtag we are good. And that was like the whole. We started off so darn good. And then we lose Schwaber early on in 16. So you're like, wait a minute, how are we going to. How are we going to navigate that? But we were. We had the pitching staff, our guys stayed Healthy. I think we want the defense best defensive teams that year, number one. I mean we were, we were really good but it started in 15. A lot of people, we really hit that momentum and I thought it was so important the way Joe handled the group and for our young guys to get a taste going deep in the playoffs. Whenever you get that, you get so hungry in the off season that you knew going in the target was on our back. But Joe did a great job of messaging and the expectations and how that's a good thing and just embrace the target was our slogan going into 16 and we took all. It was amazing. It was amazing. I think it started in 15 and
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Host/Interviewer
I told the audience at lovablereunion on all the social Media, subscribe on YouTube. This is going to be a year long journey. The pods are great. You've already done, you've already done all sorts of interviews. I want to go to Joe Madden because Joe was a very, I remember when he was with the Angels, Joe was a very outside the box thinker and you know baseball's about lore and history and tradition and so you know, Joe was different. Joe saw the world differently, the defensive shift, everything. So you had this quirky manager, successful, super smart, kind of an out of the box contrarian thinker with this, with this. You had some veterans, this was a veteran team smart team guys who had been around the bigs. I mean you started with the Dodgers. They are, they were if I recall, very catcher heavy at the time. And you, you were one of them and they just, they had so many catchers. You're also, by the way, part of a great trivia question. Not only was your first home run a grand slam, it was off Mark Grace, if I recall.
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David Ross
A lot of people don't know that you did your, you did your homework. It's. Yeah, that was, I still get interviews with, with Mark every once in a while talking about that. That was, that was a special one right in my bat speed. I tell him all the time about 83 miles an hour and he tells me almost hit it in that Friday's front row out there in Arizona. It was, that's a good story that a lot of people don't know about.
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Host/Interviewer
So take me to Joe Madden when you interviewed him. That's the one I really want to hear because he's a funny, funny guy.
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David Ross
He, he is so. Well, when you get to play for him, you know how he can talk anything from, you know, wine and you know, off the field stuff all the way to the in depths of baseball. He's just been around baseball so long and he's such a eclectic man. He's got so many different personalities with within just carry on conversation with everybody. But Joe's a special one man. When we interviewed him, we, we got to ask the questions that everybody wanted to ask about just building culture and how you came over and being with the Rays and no expectations and coming to a big market and what, what, what his plan was and then obviously coming up with new, bringing in new guys and being able to transition them with the veterans we had. And he spoke very eloquently about, you know, his plan and, and then going into some of the World Series questions we asked him. It was so amazing letting him walk you through some of his decision making because you get so much, so many critics, so much criticism from talking about, you know, overusing Chapman or taking Kyle Hendricks out and what's the plan, what, what, what he was thinking and where he kind of got awry. And he talked all about that very openly. It was such a good interview. Just from somebody that got to manage the Cubs and had a lot of managerial questions of like going into somewhere new and how to establish what you believe in. And he just, he spoke so well about kind of his plan for that.
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Host/Interviewer
You know, it's interesting. I, I, I've said this. I just moved to Chicago and I've been in LA for nine years and my wife.
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David Ross
You survive in the cold.
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Host/Interviewer
I gotta be, I tell all my friends who give me crap and I'm like, they're like, how are you gonna withstand the cold? I'm like, buy a effing jacket. It's not that hard. Just get a jacket, guys. So, you know, nobody in LA has one, apparently. And I loved la. LA is very special. I'm sure it was one of your favorite road trips. I mean, the weather is ideal in the summer, no humidity. Chicago is interesting because one of my observations about Chicago, it's got some of the best looking people in the world that are normal. Because in the Midwest, like if you're in the East, David, and you want to make money in your aspirational Boston, New York, Philly, D.C. if you're in the west, you can make money in San Francisco, Louisiana. There's a lot of options in the Midwest. You know, Chicago's it. If you're a driven guy, you're a driven young woman and you want to make it, you want to make it big and you want to stay in the Midwest, you go to Chicago. I remember running on Lakeshore about five years ago, when I was considered considering Chicago and I told my wife, I'm like, I didn't see an unattractive person for my six mile run. I'm like this, this city is young and fun. So when you're winning in Chicago, 15, 16, Chicago can be distracting. It's a drinking city, it's a food city. The river, it's fun. The lake, this is like Miami North. There is a, it does not close down at 9:30. It is a live city.
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David Ross
That's a good analogy. Miami north.
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Host/Interviewer
It is, it is wild, especially in the summer. Oh, it's crazy. Were there times nobody can play in Chicago and be a Cub with the greatest Cub team ever and not have a good time? Did you squeeze in some good time?
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David Ross
Oh, man, it's the best. I mean, I've got so many stories of going out with Riz and some of the stuff we talk about in the, in, in the pod. It's, it's. First of all, everybody, it doesn't matter if you're the last guy on the roster. I want. You would think when I walk into a restaurant, I'm Michael Jordan and I'm the backup catcher. You know, I played once a week. It's these people love their sports. So much loving. They're so invested. They know everything about you. We were walking. I used to walk to the park in 15. I live really close. And people, when we started, we were going to make the playoffs. We got in the postseason and I would walk to the yard in the postseason. Beautiful day, October. And people stop me start cheering you on, on the, on the, your walk. I'd grab me a coffee and head, head to the field and people are stopping me taking pictures. Just everybody knew who I was as a backup catcher. I walked into one of my favorite stories. I walked in Chicago cut down there on the lake. Great steakhouse.
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Host/Interviewer
Oh, great steakhouse.
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David Ross
I got, I got a standing oath. I was with my family. I'm carrying my little daughter. She was one at the time. And I'm getting a standing ovation in a, in a steakhouse. And I didn't even know how to react. Like, these people are so passionate. We definitely had our times out. We went out on the road. We, you know, I, I say all the time, you're not going to win a World Series or championship with a bunch of choir boys. We definitely, we definitely had our mix. And we've got plenty of stories of beer drinking and going out. And I thought the great thing about Joe, going back to him a little bit was he took so much of the media off of us that we never felt like this whole, you know, 108 curse. We had such a bubble inside because we were so close as a group and you see why. And the championship teams I've been on, that's how it is. But we never had that outside noise coming in. People were so great and so pumped, so pumped that Chicago was in the playoffs and Wrigley Field in the postseason has to be top two, three. And like when that place was rocking, they were so hungry for a winner. So you definitely felt like a rock star walking around that place. Chicago treated us well and we definitely had some late nights of partying and trying to game up for a couple of those 120 day games at Wrigley.
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David Ross
It's tense. I mean, we brought in C.J. edwards to start the first of all. Like Chappie had gotten us through. You know, he went back out after giving up the home run and gives us a clean inning. Obviously the rain delay. We come out, we score two. Nobody, you know, everybody talks about Ben Zobra's hit and then Miguel Montero got another base hit to add a at a run, which we actually needed. So C.J. edwards come in, we get a quick out or two and then a runs given up and Raj Davis gets on first two outs and you're thinking, okay, Rajay's gonna steal. I think he was topping the league that year in stolen bases. So you're kind of playing through like manager. Or at least I was manager in your brain of like, okay, we've. How are we gonna navigate this? And they bring in Mike Montgomery. Another one where you're like, we had Pedro stroke down there. Hex Rondon. We had, I mean Arietta was down there lacking. We had all kind of bullets in the bullpen and Joe pulled out, you know, turn these young guys which as a veteran guy and even as a manager, I. You don't lean on the young guys in the biggest moments. So you're super nervous about that. And then knowing the scouting report I did and, and Miggy, we're going to flip a bunch of breaking balls in and you're just nervous, you know, you're hoping Raji doesn't steal. You don't want anybody in scoring position. And then that swinging bunt to kb, obviously he slips. He talks about that in the, in the podcast. And Rizzo catches that ball and then it just, all the anxiety, all the, you know, the tension that you hold, just the relief that you have of, you know, we did it because it was such a back and forth game and how we came back down three one. And there's so many stories within that that everybody's thinking and sitting there on the bench watching this all play out. And I've already played my role. I don't have any control over it. So you're just rooting for everybody super hard and that ball's hit and you're just, you're just praying that it's hit to somebody. And kb, nice and easy, throws it to Riz, and off we go to celebrate. But yeah, you're definitely nervous when things start going. You've got young guys when the young guys on the mound too. You never know how that's gonna, how they're gonna handle those biggest moments of their career. And they did it. We did it.
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Host/Interviewer
I'm talking to David Ross and he and Anthony Rizzo are going to host the lovable reunion and they're going to interview. It's a 10 year anniversary of the 2016 World Series win, which, as David pointed to, kind of really started in 2015 with that San Francisco Giant series. You know, one of the things I noticed my first summer in Chicago, I always tell people if Wrigleyville was in Berlin, it would be like a bucket list for Americans to visit. It's one of those things like people don't understand who have never been to Wrigleyville. And I've been to it probably six or seven times, even when I worked at espn. And now I went, I went for a football game this fall with Michigan, Northwestern. It's probably as great as anything we have. It's sort of our Wimbledon. There's nothing else really like it in America. It's like an SEC football game in Baton Rouge. You know, there's lightning, it's 88, everybody's sweating. You can smell bourbon in the stadium. I've gone to a. Yeah, I mean, it's like there's nothing like a, an LSU night game. There's nothing like Wrigleyville.
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David Ross
I think it's the bit they call it the biggest beer garden in Illinois.
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Host/Interviewer
I think on game days it's wild. The. I noticed this last year Kyle Tucker's now a Dodger. He was a Cub. And one of the criticisms of Kyle, who's a really good ball player, was I heard Cub fans say, you know, he doesn't, he doesn't love it. He's just talented now. You know, people show it in different ways. Baseball's a long sloy. I mean, it's all, it's. You start in spring training, you go to the playoffs, you're 200 games in. But it is interesting because the Cub fan is not, you know, you go to a Dodger game, it's a lot of old fans. Wrigley's young, Wrigley's a party. And I mean every home game. Do you think fans. Do you think it's possible Kyle Tucker just wasn't a great fit with the Cubs personality wise or is it just one of those, hey, man, he didn't have a great year. People are going to pick on him because, I mean, with the Dodgers, he may be the sixth best player. He's a really good player, but it felt like he kind of got beat up by the median fans here.
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David Ross
Yeah, for sure. I think everybody's personality is a little bit different. I wish as a player I could have stayed more. Kyle Tucker as far as, like, he's going to play every day. I, I thought he was the reason. The turnaround this year of them getting to the postseason. I mean, he got off to such a great start. Had a little bit, some, apparently some injuries on the second half that kind of hindered his numbers. But I mean, he carried those guys and to have that staple in the middle of your order, kind of like they're going to have with Bregman this year and, and moving forward. It, it, it's such a. You have to bring it every day. I talk to Riz all the times like I was a backup guy. The reason why I got so much love and, and the, the Grandpa Rossi and the leadership kind of, kind of tag for that group was I was, I was just responsible for catching Lester. It didn't matter. I didn't have to bring it every day. I brought my energy to other guys, making sure I was lifting them up. When you're the, when you're the middle of the order bat, you've got to make sure you're Taken care of and you're carrying the group. If, if your horses suck, the team's gonna suck. You know, if, if the Mike Trouts and the, and the guys in the middle of that order, Aaron Judge, if they're not very good, the team's not going to be very good. So they have a performance that they've got to carry every single day. And the guys that, that can stay a little bit more unemotional. I think it's a really, really positive. Going back to Kyle Tucker and not knowing him very well. I do think it's such a good fit for the Dodgers because like you said, they have stars and they have guys are going to talk to the media. When you, when you're a guy that, that would rather just kind of be left alone and do your thing, it's easier to be the fourth and fifth guy when you're the, the, the KB went through a little bit of that early on. Chris Bryant with, you know, like Riz would answer questions, Lester would answer some questions to the media. KB was more, you know, he wanted just go out and play baseball. A lot of the times. Some guys are just wired like that and I don't think that's a bad thing. But I think I, I think Chicago is so close to the players and so passionate about their, their sports and their teams that they want to see personality. They want somebody to either be pissed or, you know, I, I'm, I got a, A lot of love for yelling at umpires all the time and now council doesn't. It's like who, you know, they pick your boys and I, I wish I wouldn't got thrown out of so many games. So everybody's a little bit different how they handle them. I'm an emotional guy. I wear my heart on my sleeve and I think it's going to be great for this podcast. But I do think Kyle Tucker probably gets a little bit of that because people just want a little bit more from their superstars. When you, when you get paid a lot of money, fans want a lot out of you.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah. You were the bullpen coach for Team usa. And I had said this on the air and because I work at Fox and Fox broadcast that, people said, oh, you're being a shilling. But I said before it started, I said, the most undervalued property in sports, in my opinion for the last 10 years has been the World Baseball Classic. Now, it's not annual and it's not as big as the Olympics or the World cup. But I said when I was at the other place, espn. I'm like, I couldn't believe the passion. And I also, you know, good players, great players want to play. And so, I mean, Bryce Harper and Judge and Ohtani and were you. Maybe you weren't surprised? I wasn't surprised because I've seen in the World Baseball Classic, the passion from everybody. And anytime anybody beats USA in anything, it's a big deal, right? It could be Olympics, World Cup. It doesn't matter what it is. So Venezuela's reaction. That country's gone through a lot over the last decade. Like, I get it, but I was a little surprised how much the loss stings and just the intensity of the players. I mean, it's the middle of spring fricking training, and you're asking them to go play in an international event. As somebody that was there every day, were you surprised how pissed Bryce Harper could be, how emotional Aaron could be? Wit. I mean, it felt like playoff games.
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David Ross
Yeah, I mean, it did feel like every one of them felt like playoff games. And even leading up to it, you know, the expectations were even when you're facing Great Britain, you know, like, we're supposed to pound them. We're supposed to. We're supposed to 10 run rule them. It's. It was definitely a playoff atmosphere immediately in the middle of spring training, where nobody's really, you know, every. There's so many guardrails and things Mark DeRosa was dealing with, with. With teams and. And these guys wanted to throw all that. Like they didn't care. They. They wanted to. They wanted to pitch. They want to go past their. Their numbers as far as pitching and their pitch counts. And it was. And I had. I know Mark well and Brian McCann, a lot of this staff, they told me last time, four years ago, Venezuela was the loudest game they had ever, ever been a part of, and I can second that. Mexico in Houston, excuse me, was one of our loudest games for sure, inside that dome in Houston. And then the doctor Game, Dominican Republic, that was so loud. One of the best lineups I think ever created.
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Host/Interviewer
Oh, my God.
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David Ross
See, the Venezuela game was. Was epic. That one of the best things, I couldn't even hear. I had to sit next to the bullpen, phone in the bullpen because I could not hear it ring. If I sat and watched the game, I had to watch it on the screen down there. Pat McAfee told me after the game, I've gotten kind of close with him, and he said. He said to me, that may be the best sporting event I've Ever been to live and that. I mean, like, just like you, that guy lives and breathes sports.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
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David Ross
When you're in these environments of college football, professional football, professional baseball, and you go to the World Baseball Classic, and he said when Bryce Harper hit that home run, the. How loud that place gotten. It was. It was amazing. When he said that to me, I was like, okay, I've been in a ton of World Series games, played in front of a lot of people. It was that epic and that loud and that many people cared about it. Two countries going at it, like you said, Venezuela dealing with a lot and what their country's been through. Those guys were crying after that game. Guys I know, Wilson Contreras, Daniel Valencia, like, a lot of these guys that you played against and know really well, they're their passion for that. And our guys, my goodness, man, our guys were. Paul Schemes paced the locker room probably for 20, 30 minutes after that game, just as pissed as I've seen a guy in a long, long time. Guys cared a lot. I've never seen a group of men come together so fast and get so close in such a short amount of time. In my time in baseball, as that Team USA team was, we were doing dinners, we were having team meals. Speakers come in. It was really, really one of the best baseball experiences of my life.
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Host/Interviewer
The, you know, I've been defending. People keep talking about the Dodgers dominance and that we need a salary cap. And I keep saying, folks, if the Dodgers lost Game 7, and I thought they were. I thought Toronto outplayed them for most of the series.
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David Ross
What a game that was. What a game.
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Host/Interviewer
Best. Best baseball game to me. I mean, there's been a lot of great ones. I'm so old now that I can remember the. The Carlton Fisk home run at Fenway against the Reds and Pat d'. Arcy. I mean, that. That was when I was, you know, young, growing up. It was one of the best baseball games ever. Postseason games.
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David Ross
I compared to our game. So I thought the two best game sevens of my lifetime and, you know, short memory and. And obviously bias towards ours. But like, when I watched that Game 7 in Toronto that I was like, okay, somebody, there's another one that we can put in the book next to ours, because that was. That was. That was an amazing game. Back and forth. Yeah. What Yamamoto did, like, just unheard of, just insane.
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Host/Interviewer
And the Aaron Effin Boone again in the alcs, that. That goes up there as well.
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David Ross
Yeah. But I have defended Wakefield. Yeah, that's right. That goes out there. That's right. That's right.
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Host/Interviewer
So. But I've said, okay, listen, I don't believe if the Dodgers would have lost that the Kyle Tucker signing wouldn't mean anything. People would laugh at him. The Mets spend so much money, but nobody's threatened by the Mets. Right. They're threatened by the Dodgers because they've won back to back World Series, but Toronto outplayed them. I said, what I think baseball needs is a floor. If you can. Milwaukee spent 143 million. They were excellent. Mariner spent, you know, 160 million. Cleveland spent 130 million. If you spend about 130 to 135, you can have a really good baseball team. If you have a smart front office, if you got the right pieces, if you spend 180, you can win the World Series. You can't do the A's, the Marlins, the White Sox, you can't do that. So my take is don't force high income teams. Houston, Atlanta, Dodgers, Yankees to play by St. Louis's economy like I want. Great. If you can stack a roster, stack a roster. Milwaukee's proven you can be a small market, but. And when I've talked to players, there doesn't seem to be a lot of Dodger animosity. Bryce Harper's like, I love what they're doing. So, so as somebody that managed the Cubs won it when the Red Sox, you were with the Red Sox when they had some big time money. Cubs went out and spent. Cubs are a third biggest revenue team in the sport behind New York Yankees and the Dodgers. They're, they're. I think they make, I won't say the number, but I talked to Tom Ricketts about it. They do very well.
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David Ross
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
How do you. Now, because you've been in several chairs, how do you view what the Dodgers are doing? Does it worry you a little bit they're pulling away?
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David Ross
No, I think I fall in the same boat as you. I, you know, when I, when you're, when I was a rookie coming up, the Dodgers you had to go to, they made the rookies go to all the union meetings and MLBPA meetings and learn a lot about that. And I think the scare. I think everybody would be okay with a floor without a ceiling. Right. Without a cap. And I think I'm in the same boat as you as. I think that's, that's needed. I love the teams. You know, these are smart businessmen. They're not going to, if they can afford it, they're going to spend it. Right. They're not going to go in debt over just trying to win a championship one year or two years. The Dodgers have created a money machine there with Otani, with how they've expanded across the globe and Japan and all the, the different graphical, geographical players that they put on that roster and the big market players. But if you look back, I mean, Freddie Freeman's a steal for 160. You know, if you look back in some of these, some of these, in the way Ohtani structured his contract, it probably helped them get Tucker. I mean, they're hell.
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Host/Interviewer
Edmund Edmond was a defensive guy with the Cardinals. Tommy Edmond was available to the league. Max Muncie got let go by the aids.
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David Ross
They're smart and they've got money. And that's the, and that's the secret, right? You gotta have. And they built it the right way when they, they went and got a lot of veteran play, Adrian Gonzalez and these guys back in the day when they've got the new ownership and built up the farm system. Now they've kind of integrated a piece or two a year of some young guys, the pages of the world. You know, Will Smith, like, I just got to be around him. What a winner he is. Three world championships. I think he's, you know, in his young 30s or I think he is 30. And they, they, they built it the right way and then they go out and spin with their, with their excess. I don't think guys worry about the Dodgers because it is baseball. And you would look at the Team USA and think, and I know it wasn't a series and I know there's a long season, but like, anybody can win in baseball and you've got to have smart front office. You've got to spend your dollars well, no matter how much money you have, because you mentioned the Mets and not making the playoffs and them spending the most money and also like being able to develop a farm system and use the young guys to supplement and there's going to be injuries and depth. I don't think, I think, I think the Dodgers are good for baseball. I think, you know, the, the big markets, there's, like you said it earlier, there's not been a better run of, of a three year, five year. Oh, my God, baseball is fun. Like, you were tuning in everywhere and all these different platforms are grabbing these guys. I can't wait for Netflix tomorrow night and watching Riz debut, his first, his first broadcast and how that's going to go. Like, there is a lot of excitement around baseball and obviously there's things where we can clean up to help grow the game. But I just, we've got to keep the game going because it's in such a good place and there's so many young fans. I love the new rules. The, the clock is amazing, especially being in the booth broadcasting for ESPN back in the day and how that can drag and now we've got a nice pace to the game and baseball's in a really, really good place. And you know, I hope, I hope, I hope the, the MLBPA and the league figure, figure something out to continue to, to get some of these teams that aren't spending that are just okay with the revenue sharing. I hope they can help bring that, bring those guys up and have more competitive. It's a shame. Paul Skeen should be on a good team. You know, like that pitch of staff Pittsburgh has is really, really good and I think they put some other pieces around to help compete this year. But, but last year was, was not, you know, it didn't feel like they moved the needle very, very well.
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David Ross
Well, I mean me personally, those guys and, and how they've, how they lifted me up in that. I mean I got carried off the field. Game seven. Like who's that happening to? You know? Like I, I'm so thankful I got to do so many things off the field. After that I'm working for espn, getting back to manage. They put me on this platform to be on here talking to you and to start this thing with Riz and just baseball's a part of my life and, And a lot of that has to do with my two championships, but especially at the end, the way those guys. You know, I tell people all the time. I wasn't telling the media I'm this leader or I'm this guy or that guy. Just my teammates were saying nice things about me. And the thing about doing this pod and reminiscing about these stories is it just. I mean, there's. There's laughter, there's tears, there's. Everybody's getting emotional at a certain time. Just talking about what a special group we had. And me personally, my. My career backup catcher, most of my career career 220 hitter. Got to. Got to go and do so many great things and represent that group on so many different platforms and talk baseball. And my. My life has taken off since that championship. And a lot of that has to do with the. The people there, the front office, the. The staff and obviously the players in that. That city. It's meant. It's meant so much to me, and I'm just so happy to be able to get on here and share these moments with. Behind the scene moments with all these fans. I'm. I'm so thankful and grateful for so much. But, yeah, it's. It's a big one. That's. That's. I. The only thing anybody knows me for walking through the airport is my, My World Series with Chicago and Dancing with the Stars. That's the only. That's the only two things I get.
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Host/Interviewer
What. Of all the. And I want people. It's called the lovable reunion. How many guys have you interviewed so far?
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David Ross
12.
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Host/Interviewer
Okay, who was the most emotional?
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David Ross
Kyle Schwaber. This last one we just did. We did him.
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Host/Interviewer
He's such a. He's such a dude.
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David Ross
He is so great dude. Golly, but he, He. You know, people just say such nice things to me and Riz as they're talking about it and talking about our leadership, but also talking about just how it changed their life. And Michael Mike Montgomery got a little choked up talking about, you know, what it's done to him just to get that last out. And man, I think Schwaber just talking about this last one, talking about, you know, how his career's gone and how thankful he is for being on that championship team and his journey coming back from that injury and. And the examples that that room set for him that he's carried and everywhere he's went and now he's, like you said, he's a dude. He's a leader in Philadelphia. And every time I talk to any teammate of his or people that have been around him or teams he's been on, they can't say enough about his impact in the locker room, which we know is so important outside of his skill set.
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Host/Interviewer
Well, it's baseball. So unique because, again, you know, football, you don't spend that much time together. The new cba, there's only so many practice days. You know, baseball, man, it takes one bad guy. I mean, that shit can go sideways fast in that clubhouse. Like, you know, I mean, and let's be honest, good teams go on losing streaks. I mean, it just. I mean, it is hard. Was. You go back to that. Was there. Was there a moment? Because you guys were stacked, but you also had some veteran arms. Was there ever a moment in 2016, a series, a moment, a stretch that you're like, man, we're
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David Ross
good. Good story. Lester tells about Rizzo. We were struggling right before the All Star break. We're in Pittsburgh, and Riz was. I think Riz was raking at the time, and the pitching just was giving it up a little bit. And Riz made a comment in the media about, you know, we just. We got it. We gotta get something about we gotta get the pitching going or we just gotta pitch a little better or something like that. And Travis Wood was waiting with the article in John Lester's locker room. And Lester was not happy, let's say the least. But that. That's a really funny, good story of Riz thinking John was gonna beat the. Out of him. And. And he met him in the weight room and. And started. Started MF and him about, don't worry about the pitching, you just worry about the offense, stuff like that. So there's definitely. You go through moments, man, where you feel like, you know, it's baseball, you, everybody, you know, I say all the time, everybody's going to go through that. You got to, you know, don't let the highs get too high, lows get too low, and try to keep on that even, even path. But right before the All Star break, we. We were scuffing a little bit, trying to get to that finish line and get our break.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah, man. You play those afternoon games in St. Louis, and it's about 98 degrees and you're dragging and you do an. You're on an over 11 streak, and it's. Baseball is so random. You can just. I mean, you know, I remember listening to Derek Jeter once talking about somebody, he didn't have a lot of slumps, but somebody asked him, you know, he was in a slump and what do you think about. And he goes, I don't hit it hard. He goes, he goes, I've hit the ball. I have tagged it six times in the last two weeks.
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David Ross
And they were all, yeah, well. And that's the like, thank goodness for analytics. And some of the stuff you can look at now where, you know, some of these guys are able to keep themselves a little bit sane even though it doesn't work a lot of the times, but with the hard hit rate and you know, you're expected this, you know, outcome, just keep hitting it hard. But going back to what you were talking about and being around guys every day, I tell people like, we start around Valentine's Day in mid February and we go for seven and a half. We, we didn't get home till November. I think we won the World Series November 2, you know, at. And, and that's a long journey that you're with these guys every single day and you have a handful of off days throughout that and usually you spend time together. So the fact of like becoming family and that's what these guys are for. Brothers for life. I say all the time, because your family within that clubhouse, you see those guys every single day and you're working and pulling for them and their success is your success. And that's not always the case in every sport. You know, there's these individual sports and guys you don't see so much. A baseball season is really, really long and you're going to go through some ups and down, guys are going to go through stuff off the field and I tell a story about, you know, one, one time I got emotional during the podcast. John Lester Two, two times flew me home on a private plane. My wife at the time had emergency C section was got to see the birth of my child, my last one. And then my grandma had passed away in the middle of the season, flew me home on a private plane for her funeral. So like, I mean this is, these are, these are guys that not just only care about each other but when willing to give their hard earned money to take care of each other. And, and you know, there's, there's dinners and there's just, just so many off the field. They used to rent boats and go out on the lake on off days or after a day game. Like there's nothing better than that going out there, hanging with the boys and kind of decompressing. After a game at Wrigley and, and enjoying that skyline in Chicago on that, that, that nice cold lake.
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Host/Interviewer
Anthony Rizzo will join us next time. Rizzo and Ross, the lovable reunion. We're going to look back. They will on the 10 year anniversary of the 2016 Magical Cubs World Series win and a Cubs team that upgraded on their staff. Bregman. They're favored to win their division and should be. You know, Milwaukee just up the road is becoming quite a rivalry. I'll tell you that.
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David Ross
It has. They've done a really good job up there and they keep rotating guys out and bringing new ones in and it's going to be a good, it's going to be a good one. I'm, I'm so excited. That stat Kate Horton for a full season. Hopefully he can stay healthy. They've got some dudes up there in Chicago and being around Bregman, I've known him, I've never gotten to be around him as much. I was in this wbc. This guy is up first thing in the morning looking at scouting reports, sending coaches texts like, you know, here's where we need to look, here's where we need a tunnel. You know, this guy throws a lot of behind. I mean, this guy is a baseball rat and is going to beat everybody in that clubhouse better. So they're going to have a really good season. I'm pretty confident in that. And it should be a fun, fun. See opening day. Opening day is here upon us.
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Host/Interviewer
How great is that? David, this is great. We are so excited. Like I said before in the intro when I heard this was going to be our first baseball podcast and they had met with you, I'm like, guys, I need Mariano Rivera. I need a closer. I said, we got to close this podcast. I think the audience is going to love it. I'm going to be at Wrigley several times during the summer. I'll be listening to the podcast and I just appreciate you guys trusting us.
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David Ross
Well, I appreciate you guys jumping on board and trusting us. I know you guys have really created a name in the industry for yourself and obviously you've been around a really long time doing this. You know, all the things from ESPN to the POD and your show, like, it's just, it's so great to be a part of this group. They're a phenomenal group to work with and they're fun. They're really fun and make it really enjoyable for us. So I can't wait to get started.
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