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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast - Eagles Survive Bills Rally, Steelers Are In BIG Trouble, Don’t Sleep On The Pats, Pete Carroll One & Done?
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I think you go for it, especially because win or lose, you're not going to win the division with the Patriots playing the Dolphins next week. So you're locked into a wild card. I think the way you look at it now, you're in that position because your field goal unit couldn't convert an extra point. Right. And you could also argue, you know, the Eagles, they had nine more first downs. The Bills did than the Eagles. Yet the Eagles going into the fourth quarter up 13 to nothing. I thought in the first half, I mean, they're just getting worked. If you would have told me with going into the fourth quarter that the Bills would have a chance, I get it's only 13 to nothing. But the way they look, Josh Allen was going to be to have a chance to win the game. Pretty remarkable. I mean, the guy's kind of superhuman.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, listen, the Eagles had four defensive players make the Pro Bowl. The Bills didn't have any. Cooper dejean today was unbelievable. He was all over the field. I mean, I think we could both admit this is that Philadelphia's got the better roster. I mean, they really do. They. I mean that's not even close. I think like I'm the same thing. They don't have a defensive Pro Bowler in Buffalo. You know, once again, the Eagles, I thought the first half, it was a complete utter mismatch. I'm like, are they going to win this thing like 27 to 3? But again, I think Philadelphia, and you can complain about it, but they got really conservative. Their takeaway was we're going to make them drive down the field. I mean, you could argue that Brandon Cooks catch and the Shavers catch, you know, those are really uniquely not lucky. These are pro athletes. Brandon Cook's been around the league, bounced around forever. But you may not complete. If you did that five times with that coverage with both, you wouldn't get completions.
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John Middlekauff
They ran a hook and ladder on the last drive, Colin. It would look like Boise State against Oklahoma.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, three really tough plays for Josh Allen. The interception, the huge loss on the sack, and then the missed two point conversion. So again, but they put so much on Josh Allen. At one point they took a shot of the offensive coordinator upstairs and Josh had missed on something. They're kind of complaining like, what are you doing, Josh? And I'm thinking, guys, this is an average roster. You have a good left tackle and James Cook's a nice player. That wide receiving core is Hammond Eggers. I mean, that's just bounce around the league, guys. I'm surprised Brandon Cooks was thinking of retiring years ago. You know, he had some concussion issues. He's a real grinder, loves the game. But a lot of people thought years ago he was going to leave just because of the concussions. But he bounces around because he's a good teammate, hard worker, diligent. As Tom Brady talked about the broadcast, but I don't know, I watched that game. You know, it's funny, in the first half I thought Hertz made really good throws. I would like a couple of them, like to A.J. brown, where even the incompletion, what looked like A.J. brown's hand was being held. I'm like, boy, Jalen is in a rhythm. But it's weird with Philadelphia, John. You know it well, it just dies. The offense just dies.
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John Middlekauff
Well, their offensive line is not as good, so they can't just lean on the run game. I mean, that's a killer for them. Last year they could just hammer Saquon and he would go. He had 19 for 68, the 20, 24 version of this team. I think he has 20 carries for 150 yards. You know, I think that's the Big difference. They just can't lean on you. And he's not breaking off these 40 yard runs and just ending the game, which he was doing last year. I'm with you. The first half, my takeaway was, I don't know if I'd want to play this Eagle team. I mean, you. Because Jalen Carter's back. Their defensive line looks fantastic. The Hunt kid, who I think's a third rounder, you got Jordan Davis, you got, you know, Bond, the linebacker. Their DBs, like you said, DeJean, Vic Fangio, you're like, this unit is fantastic. And offensively, there's no disputing their talent. You know, AJ devonte Goddard. Oh, yeah, that touchdown. I mean, I thought the play calling on the one drive, even Tom Brady was like, they, you know, they ran like A.J. brown on a big post to the left, and then they had a play action play. They got him a first or a touchdown. It was like, you know, when they run drives, well, you go, this is one of the best teams in the league. And then they have halves where they get 17 yards with a $50 million quarterback, two $30 million wide receivers, and a $25 million running back. It doesn't really make sense, but it happens over and over.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, when they get leads and get conservative, what they do is stop throwing to AJ Brown like AJ Brown in the first half. Crucial second half. Where's AJ Brown? Why aren't you throwing the ball to AJ Brown? He is a much better athlete than the guys covering in the secondary. Like, it's one thing if you don't want to throw the ball to the Bill receivers because the two Pro bowl corners for the Eagles in the pass rush. But if you're Philadelphia, throw the ball to A.J. brown. He's dealing with guys that aren't in his class. So it's just, you know, it's in the second half. I wrote it down here. With 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter, Hertz was over six. And I'm like, yeah, we're doing all this smart short stuff in the first half, getting AJ Goddard, like, really clever stuff. Three step drop, get it out. And they just stopped doing it. I was like, just go back to the stuff you were doing in the first half. So that's one of the reasons I don't think Philadelphia wins the super bowl is I don't every. Seattle's about the only team that doesn't have a huge hole. That doesn't mean Seattle's great at a bunch of stuff, but they don't have a Huge hole, Texans offense, you know, Rams special teams. The Eagles have these halves where they just don't throw the ball to A.J. brown.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I'm with you. One note I had at halftime was Jalen is playing really well. Making Pro bowl level throws.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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John Middlekauff
You know, in, in those conditions too. So part of the reason it was so impressive. You're going to this place that has some of the worst weather in America. It's pouring rain. Brady keeps harping on it. These guys wear the wrong gloves. Balls are going right through. The Eagles are just dialed in, moving the ball, you know, at will relative to them. Their quarterbacks in complete control in their defense. You know that, that play you mentioned where Josh Allen scrambled around and got sacked. I, I can kind of live with that. It's like, yeah, Steph Curry's going to miss some 35 foot threes. He takes a lot of them, you know, it's. They have to. He makes a lot of those plays into touchdowns.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I don't think he takes that sack if he psychologically believed in his roster. I think Josh feels like I've got to make a play. I mean, that receiving core is just not good. I mean, it's funny, we thought New England had this bad receiving core this year. I look at New England's, I'm like, williams, Diggs, Booty Diggs. And I'm like, no, it's fine. It's actually really good. Even compared to like average receiving. Course, Buffalo's maybe the most average in the league, I think. Josh, when I watched that sack, I'm like, you can't take that sack. And I was thinking about it, he's like, well, I have to take one or two of those game. I have to make some big. I mean, they're, they're big plays. Think about it. Hook and lateral, clever call. And then two deep balls. One felt like luck and the other one was a. I don't remember the last time Brandon Cook had a catch that big and that good in the game. Like, that's, that's their offense. Kind of like sometimes it's just, you have to, to generate it, doing either unique stuff or you feel like they had a. They got a pass interference break. I didn't like that call at all. That. And then they got the, the ball down the right sideline the next play. That was, that was a weird drive. Until that point, they didn't really have, they didn't threaten much. And the other thing is, even when going for two, I'm like, I wasn't sure they were going to make it on the sneak. I'm like, oh, I, this is a 50, 50 proposition.
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John Middlekauff
Totally. And let's be real too. I, I was it the Browns game where he kind of did that move and rolled his ankle? It almost was a safety. He clearly rolls his ankle again. I mean he, he's kind of like a younger version back when Cam went into his prime. It's hard to tell what percentage he is, but he's clearly not 100% running around out there. And I, I, I just think that, listen, I think it would be an incredible story. I'm a huge Josh Allen fan. It's hard to watch that team and go they got three victories to the super bowl with that roster, the way they play, how dependent they are on him to be Superman where he's probably 70, 80% and the roster around him, if you can just sell out if James Cook is not going to get, I would say 120 plus yards. Their receivers, I mean they got their tight ends okay and obviously they had an injury today. But their offensive lines, that's another issue. Today, halfway through the game when the Eagles were really humming, they felt a little bit like again, it was a Thursday night game but the Texans have an elite pass rush. Remember that Thursday night game? I remember a buddy in the league text me if you sack Josh 7, 8, 9 times, that might as well be 25 because he's a hard guy to sack and today they sacked him five times. Against a normal quarterback that number is probably like eight or nine. And there were a couple times late in the game where he's making some great plays getting out of it. I mean the Eagles are all over this guy. I just think their offensive line underrated part not playing that well. I don't know if guys are banged up, they are just not as dialed. And he is under constant pressure against the better competition. It's I, listen, you're not going to bet against them probably in the first round. We'll have to see who they end up playing, especially if they get the Steelers or the Ravens. But I just, I have a hard time seeing this team want some run.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Denver would beat him. I think Jacksonville would beat him. Oh yeah, I think, listen, everybody thinks.
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John Middlekauff
Houston already did kick their ass on a Thursday night game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And by the way, you know, I watched New England today. I mean New England's had one bad half in three months at Buffalo. They had a great first half in that game. Controlled it. They had a terrible second half against Buffalo. But the, but the previous three quarters against Buffalo, they were the better team. Yeah, I can see Buffalo being a one and done team. I've had him in the hurt hierarchy around 8, 9, 10. It's hard for me. I think Josh Allen and their left tackle and James Cook. But again, I'll give them credit. I thought the hook and lateral was such a clever call. It was so smart. But again you had to kind of go to an exotic. You had to go to a trick play because you can't trust any receivers down the field. I felt honestly at the end of that game, I felt that Buffalo was lucky to be going for the win. I didn't think they should have been in 100%.
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John Middlekauff
Totally. I mean they had. I thought they got worked in the first half. I mean it was 13 and nothing but you're playing the Eagles just don't score that many points. It felt like they were just overwhelming you with the talent gap and your quarterback, you know, he was having for his standards, not as great as game as he sometimes has and you have no chance. Your defense actually played pretty well in the second half.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah.
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John Middlekauff
But still, I mean to score well, they end up scoring 12 points at home. I mean it's just, it's tough, you know, man, it's. And Colin, they at zero for the majority of the game. You know, this is part of the weather and this is kind of. I was really young with those Marv Levy teams, but they were a tough, physical team with a dominant running back that they leaned on. And then Jim Kelly could make big plays. Obviously Josh, you know, is much more mobile I think than that version of Jim Kelly, but you got it. And this is the packers problem. You know, historically, sometimes those Rogers teams, your weather should be in your advantage to play like the Eagles. We're just going to overwhelm you physically and lean on you and ugly up the game. Well, the Bills don't want to play that way. The Bills want to play in a dome like, like the Lions or something. Right. They would love to just sling that thing around. And even Brady mentioned that Joe, the OC for the Bills were like, we don't want to get into a place where we're just passing it non stop. It will not go well for us. So he knows. But the problem is that you neutralize the run a little bit. And Josh's run because he's rolled up his ankle, he's not a huge threat in this game against them. Their team speed is excellent. All of a sudden it's like, God, your offense Looks putrid.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I play New England.
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John Middlekauff
They might play New England as of right now. Again, these teams might throw in. They're technically the set they're the seventh seed at. You know, the Texans are the five, the Chargers are the six and the Bills are the seven. So if they, if they go to New England, even if they play in the jags as the 6 3, it would not stun me at all if they're a one and done team, which is crazy to say because they have this quarterback in his prime.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Cleveland, their biggest win in a long time at home, beats the Steelers 13 to 6. So Pittsburgh will face Baltimore for the division title in week 18. What a mess this is. It was so classic. Tomlin Tomlin has there. I want to read this record is. This record is crazy. The Steelers are winless.041 in the past five games against teams entering eight plus games below.500. Longest streak in NFL history. So Mike's a motivator, but it doesn't work when they face an awful team. Right. Mike's always been a great underdog. But when Mike's a big favorite or a favorite against the crappy team, his motivational rah rah stuff doesn't work. You just. It was one of those games. This is why Seattle got rid of DK Metcalf. So DK doesn't play today because he's suspended for the altercation of the fan. And the reason Darnold, by the way and JSN now are a great, great combination. But they got rid of DK because DK could be. I was told maintenance, he, you know, didn't run the specific route tree. He was a big play guy. But they felt there was some maintenance with dk.
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John Middlekauff
He didn't lead the league in personal fouls for like a two year stretch.
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Colin Cowherd
And penalties for a receiver. So because he punches a guy, he's out. And you saw today they just. There's a reason Aaron Rodgers doesn't throw the ball down the field. They have a really weak receiving core. After DK Metcalf, just tight ends. Friar Moose, excellent. But you know, you're watching them today and you're like they're 02 in the red zone. I don't know why they were picking on Denzel Ward three straight times at the end of the game. I probably the last corner on Cleveland I'd pick on. I didn't get that at all. But if you took DK Metcalf out, you know, it's just, this is so Mike Tomlin. A week ago. We're celebrating this great victory. And then you watch the next week and you're like, as a. As a favorite against the bad team, and you're like, they laid a complete egg.
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John Middlekauff
I mean, Colin, they scored six points in a game where if they win it, they win the division. I mean, they scored six points over two scoring.
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Colin Cowherd
They got two turnovers, didn't score on either one against a bad team.
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John Middlekauff
They're playing a 3 and 12 Cleveland Brown team with, you know, their star running back they just drafted. Broke his leg last week. He's gone. This is a team that couldn't really run the ball today. Shador's throwing them the ball through the multiple picks. Tried to throw another one that I think, you know, one of the linebackers dropped. I thought today was pretty embarrassing. It was. As just a football consumer, it was a hard game to watch. It was ugly.
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Colin Cowherd
And give Cleveland credit. First two drives, that's Kevin Stefanski. That's on script. Those first two drives for Shador and Cleveland, they march right down the field. Again, that's on script. That's. That's where I think Stefanski is really good. These young quarterbacks, especially rookie quarterbacks, they really rely on those first couple of drives, like, that's a big part of. So, I mean, I just. I look at.
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John Middlekauff
That was big, though, Colin. I mean, now dk, it's not like they get him back next week. He's gone. And the big tight end, Darnell Washington broke his arm. So I don't know how you play with a broken arm. Seven days later, I would imagine he's out. So you're relying on Scotty Miller, mvs, who I think we could argue how good he ever was, but definitely at this point in time, not great. You know, if you just kind of can neutralize those two running backs. Their offense was awful. Now, the Browns defense came to play today, these games. But you can. You can get after, you know, Aaron, they were hitting him a lot. He was getting rid of the ball. You know, the one thing the Ravens got a little mojo. Now after that, you know, that Steelers went or, I mean, that Packer win. I think the Steelers are in major trouble. And we're going to go at one point in time last week, I'm like, that they're going to end up 11 and 6. Pretty impressive, pretty impressive year with how weird it went. Now it feels like they're going to end up nine and eight, missing the playoffs. I don't know about you. I'm out on them this week. I'M out on them this week. I don't care. Snoop Huntley plays, Lamar plays. Derek Henry plays quarterback. What I witnessed today and the injury they had and I'm going to assume T.J. watt, I mean he's just, I, I can't assume he's coming back with this, with this lung issue. So he's been mia. They have other injuries and dk, they are so dependent. No team. This includes Minnesota, this includes Jamal R. Chase and is more dependent on one wide receiver than the Pittsburgh Steelers on DK Metcalf that most people in the league probably wouldn't even consider a top 10 wide receiver.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, all year I defended Aaron Rodgers. People like pff was like, he doesn't throw downfield. And I'm like, who does he throw to? I mean he, he and DK early in the year just, I mean there's nobody to throw to. Like DK was it. And that you can't just have that relationship over time because DJ DK again doesn't run the route tree. That's not what he does. He's a big play guy. So like, like you, if you don't trust the offensive line, it's hard for a guy to get deep. So Aaron's 42. He didn't want to get hit early in the year. It's like I'm not throwing the ball deep down the field. We're going to do stuff underneath. And then they started. You know, then you trust the offensive line more. You play with a little momentum. But I mean it's the file finer, the final Aaron Rodgers drive that didn't pan out. I mean he went to Friarmouth two times. Like that's his guy. Like that's who you have to go to.
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John Middlekauff
He made some beautiful throws on that drive. Yes, it was nice until the end.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, there's a group of people in the media out there that will just defend Mike Tomlin to the end. And last week it was their classic moment in the sun. How can you fire this guy? But I think today is one of the reasons that Tomlin gets heat is that it's the way seasons end perpetually. Like no playoff wins in eight years. The. It just feels like at the end of the year there's more smart offensive coaches. You have these performances where you. I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like, I mean first of all, they made Aaron throw 39 times. It's not, that's not what you want to do with a 42 year old quarterback on the road with Miles Garrett about to break the all time record. So Shedeur by the way was I think 1723. I mean listen, it's. He was good in the first couple of drives after that. I just think he's at a point right now where he needs to be on script. He's got to get out of that running backwards thing like that. That was a Colorado issue. It's clearly one of those things. He needs an off season to just get that out of his game.
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John Middlekauff
Well they before because there's only the two games in the afternoon. There was a big gap and they go to the. On the CBS crew they went to Bill Cower and he's like I'm a little perplexed why they didn't run the ball more. Jalen Warren was having success. He only had 12 carries for 60 y. You know to, to force Aaron Rodgers 42 with the group of guys he's throwing to to have almost 40 pass attempts. It, you know in a crappy. It wasn't great weather, you know, just ugly up the game. It was low scoring anyway. It felt like they thought they were down 25 to 6 instead of guys you're just down one score here. This Cleveland's doing nothing on offense. Just what are you doing especially with their identity. And who knows maybe it's Aaron checking do these calls at the line of scrimmage. But you know when you. They've been so dependent on these three tight ends, right? That's been their thing. Well, the Rams do it too three times. The Rams also have Puka Nakua and Devonte Adams, you know, so it's. It's a little. Even if only one of them is on the field. Those guys and make dominant plays and.
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Colin Cowherd
They also Kyron Williams, Blake Corum especially in the second half. Blake Corum. They run the ball consistently. The Rams consistently run the ball.
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John Middlekauff
And I also think the reality is most people don't go out like John Elway on the deus getting the super bowl trophy. Most people go out legendary players. Michael was on the Wizards. I wasn't alive but I heard Willie Mays played for the Mets. You know this situation isn't as ugly as like Michael Jordan on the Wizards, but if they lose next week, pretty embarrassing. And I do think Aaron Rodgers career probably ends even though like he's not. It's not like he's not an NFL player but it's like he's going to come back for what in this situation. Because I think Pittsburgh is going to have to seriously answer ask themselves the question which they already kind of put out through Schefter a month ago. Like, Tomlin's contract situation, we're not going to fire him, but hell, we'll be open. Like I. John, if not now, then when? Colin, I mean, he can go to the Giants. It's not like he's going to be out of work. But this thing's run its course, hasn't it?
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Colin Cowherd
Let me cam Hayward's old. T.J. watt, D.K. metcalf's an older player. Aaron Rodgers, Jalen Ramsey, they're old. Like, it's, I mean, to me, you start looking at the teams that I really like in this league, and they've got a great mix of young and experienced. Like, Philadelphia's got good veterans. They have great young players. Rams have great young players. I mean, you know, Detroit, for all their struggles, Green Bay, great young players. Yeah, I, you know, it's, it's.
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John Middlekauff
The 49ers did it last year when they hit, eject, like they let everyone walk because they said we have to pivot.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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John Middlekauff
Even if we take a little bit, step back for the next five years. And the Steelers, they're just kind of beholden to, like, every game every year. And it's like you don't get credited anymore for going nine and eight and okay, you have a much better record. Some team that won five games, who cares? You know, it doesn't matter at this point.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they're not going to fire him. And so, you know, to me, I don't have any sympathy for people that keep doing the same shit and get the same results. Like I, I got no sympathy for Pittsburgh. Want to know where I bet on sports during the holiday season? Hard Rock Bet. Great app. Not just because it's the presenting sponsor of our show, but because they make it really easy to bet on my favorite teams or favorite players leagues. Couple of taps. Especially with a brand new for you page, it's great. That recommends picks based on my favorite and who I like to bet on. So open up the app, go to the for you page. You find a bet you like. Bam. Bet's placed just in time for you to get back into wrapping presents. Sign up today and bet $5 on any game if it wins. You also score $150 in bonus bets, a winning bet plus an extra $150 to bet with. So that's spreading holiday cheer. Plus, Hard Rock bet fills your stockings with new promos daily. So whenever you're listening, just open the app. Check out what you've got on any.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Seattle 27, Carolina 10. I took the Panthers three times this year in blazing five. Officially went 0 for 3. I don't know why the hell I do this felt like a classic case. It was three three at half. But Seattle's talent in the second half overwhelmed Carolina. Carolina was one for 11 on third down two and a half yards of play. Bryce Young had a couple of. A couple interesting drives. You know, the funny thing about Sam Darnold, I always said his comp he was a less talented Andrew Luck. He and Luck have one thing in common. Very short memory. Sam does not care if he turns the ball over. He doesn't care care. And you know, that helped him today. He didn't have a great game. A friend of mine who's a Seahawk fan, we talked today. We hadn't reached out to each other in a while. And he said, you know my concern about Seattle, I don't do anything great. And I said, well, they also don't have a hole. The Rams special teams are a mess. Philadelphia's offense dies. Houston Texans can't move the ball consistently. The Chargers o lines of disaster. I said, or there's a bad coordinator situation. I said, the Seahawks don't do anything brilliantly, but they do everything up to snuff. They don't really have a hole. And when I watch them today as a prime example, you know, they traveled cross country. They played a lot of snaps in that Ram game. Defense was on the field, like 90 snaps. They weren't real, you know, they weren't totally polished offensively. And then you look up and it's like to go on the road against the team that's going to probably win their division and you beat them by 17 points. It's like, I mean, I don't know. I. I just kind of look at Seattle and I'm like, I'm not so sure. This isn't, outside of Philadelphia, the best roster in the league. They got a lot of dudes that can run.
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John Middlekauff
I think if they played this game 10 times, Seattle's winning nine of them. I thought the talent gap as this game went on was pretty dramatic. I'm with you. Bryce makes good individual plays. Then you look at the box score. He had 14 completions. He threw 54 yards. You know, and I saw. I saw McMillan, the wide receiver from Arizona, saying, you know, they ran a lot of man coverage. We didn't expect that to come. And that's one huge advantage they have is Their. Their head coach is a defensive genius. You know, for McVeigh and Kyle, that's him on defense and he has these chess pieces. The. The different DBs that can play multiple positions. Their pass rush is really good. They also now I think they control their own destiny. So if they win next week, they're going to be the number one seed. But I think they've lost two games in Mike McDonald's career on the road. I mean, they are, I think after this game they're 14 and 2 on the. I mean they are a dominant road team under McDonald. So. And in that game, once they showed like the overhead kind of Goodyear view. It's like ugly and rainy. I'm like, this is right in Seattle's wheelhouse, you know. And listen, obviously Carolina and Tampa, I mean these are two bad teams, let's be real. Neither of them probably deserve to make the playoffs, but one gets to go. I thought Seattle was just in a different class. I'm with you. Darnold can have an individual play where he just looks like just, I mean, a practice squad level guy, but they don't come right back. I didn't even think about it that way. But that's, you know, that Goldfish as a memory. You know, you just on to the next thing. It's like it didn't even phase him. And I. You have to wonder if he's been through a lot. You know, this, you know, maybe early on in his career with the jets, you start dwelling on stuff for longer and you realize you can't like that.
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Colin Cowherd
Back to back 13 win seasons. I think it is now. And by the way, Pro Bowls, two different teams like Darnold's now entering conversation and the record books. Some of the guys that have done this are like Peyton Manning, like Colts, he won a bunch of games and then he goes to Denver. Like Darnold's talent's indisputable. He is Andrew Luck. I don't think he's as gifted, but he is Andrew Luck in that he can be a bit reckless. He's hyper aggressive. But I'll tell you what, he. He gets flushed out of the pocket and he's not running to run, he's running to throw. His. His eyes are down field and he and jsn. I was telling a friend today, I said, I'm not trying to be a Seahawk homer, but if I said to you quarterback receiver combination like Jamar Chase Burrow is just unbelievable. But you can't put A.J. brown and Hertz in there. But you start looking around the league, you're like Darnold and JSN first year together is really strong. Like really these corner routes, the timing routes, you're like, okay. Like this is really elite stuff. So, yeah, I think good.
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John Middlekauff
They have good personnel. I mean, I like, you know, Charbo Day is a good. He's a number two running back. I've always liked him. You know, they trade for Shahid, he only had the one catch today, but he gives them a speed element that they haven't had. You know, Cooper Cup. I think he had a bad fumble today, but I actually, I think they overturned it. But you know, he gives them a veteran. They have just a high level team, like a really smart bunch of guys. A lot of guys with a lot of winning in their background, you know. So Sam comes to this operation with Mike and, and John Schneider. It's really impressive. I thought the betting odds coming into the season, they were 5 to 1 to win the division and the Rams and the 49ers were heavy favorites. I thought that was a little. I mean this was a team that won 10 games last year. So this is not, to me, the Jags, who went from four wins to 12 wins, it's, it's pretty remarkable. When you watch the Jags, you're like, they just look good. Like they look like a high level operation. Seattle, even those weird Pete teams that kind of got them fired, they weren't winning four or five games. Remember, they were 9 and 7 or 9 and 8. They were 10 and 7. They were just getting blown out in the first round of the playoffs. But they have, they've always had really good players. They've done an excellent job transitioning to multiple, you know, the lob teams. And then kind of that latter years of Russell Wilson and now the last couple years of this version of young guys. I mean, listen, I think they have one of, if not the best general manager in the league, so that helps a lot too.
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Colin Cowherd
And now for our next segment, whiskey business. Yes, whiskey business. Brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey of the Colin Coward podcast. This isn't a game I think I would talk about, but the New England beat the Jets 42 to 10. They've now won 18 of 21 matchups. They were on a 15 straight until January of 24. New England had beaten them 15, 15 straight times. I'm watching Vrabel and Drake May today with Aaron Glenn who may not belong for the place and they have no idea what they're doing. The Raiders lost today so the Raiders will get Fernando Mendoza as the number one pick. If Dante Moore doesn't come out, I think the Raiders will probably, you know, they may go buy, like, Malik Willis as a free agent. I mean, I don't know what you do. Malik Willis has been unbelievable.
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John Middlekauff
Looks good. It looks good.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, yeah. I mean, I. I think if you're the jets and Dante Moore doesn't come out, it's. I would probably go with that kid, but he's gone from, you know, Turmo in Tennessee to Green Bay now to the Jets. You're like, who knows how it turns out, But I will tell you this. It was 35 to 3 at half is Kraft, Vrabel, Josh McDaniels, Drake May, John. I think we're. I think people are underselling them. We went into this season with New England and I think you and I agreed they're just not good enough on the sidelines. They just don't have enough players. This wide receiving group now is a big play wide receiving group. Like they've got, I mean, Diggs and Williams and Booty. It's like, no, they have big play wide receivers. I look at New England right now, I think Jacksonville beats them. I think Jacksonville's better. I think Denver probably beats them. I take him over Buffalo. People think I'm crazy. I think we're sleeping on New England. I think. I think they coach, coordinator, quarterback. I don't know. I. To lead 35 to 3 over an NFL team. You're on the road. I don't care how bad the team is. Jesus, that's impressive.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah. I mean, you didn't even mention Henderson, who at any moment can take 150 or 60 yards. Right. So they're passing game and they got this running back who's got to be one of the faster guys in the league. I do think Variable is elite as kind of. He's like the new prime version of Tomlin. Chip on his shoulder, underdog, and they played it all season long today. I mean, Drake Mays had harder games in junior high school than what he faced today, but I do think in the playoffs, a lot of people are going to be picking them. So there's going to be a lot of pressure then to me on. On Mike to like, you know, kind of the chip on his shoulder. The underdog, underdog mentality that they've had this year has been really impressive to watch. I think they're going to be a pretty big favorite, you know, potentially. Like, a lot of people are going to say this team can win the AFC because they can. But we saw Drake a couple weeks ago getting that spot against the Bills. Didn't have a great last couple drives. That's the thing with the afc. It's like, do I trust? Like it wouldn't shock me if Drake may has a bad playoff game. Peyton Manning used to have him youngest Trevor Lawrence, like, I mean how many playoff games that guy played in his career, you just, you don't know. But for both those two guys, if they're on, they can dominate. Especially I mean Drake when he's on, he, he throws beautiful. He's got the new Russell Wilson. The deep ball is as good as it gets in the NFL. And he's just the dual threat nature of his ability to keep plays alive with his legs. You know, Josh McDaniels deserves credit because, you know, he kind of fallen off the Raider situation. But you come back and you do this with. Because everyone bought into the physical attributes. It's why Ben Johnson gets a lot of credit. It's like, okay, now make him into a good football player. Right? And he's made Drake may, I mean into a legitimate. I don't know who's gonna, I guess Stafford's probably gonna end up winning it, but I mean Drake may was in the MVP conversation the majority of the year. That's. There's a reason, you know, Josh McDaniels is in Vic Fangios this. They are tailor made to just be incredible number twos and be the best in their field. When all they have to focus on the offense and all they have to focus in on that unit of the players, they clearly, you know, communicate perfectly with those guys. Maybe they struggle with the opposite side of the ball because the mentality is different. You know, for Vic, the offensive guys don't think like defensive guys. For Josh, defensive guys don't operate cerebral like offensive guys. And those guys, I think both those two guys, I mean look, look what they. Look what Vic's meant to the Eagles and look what Josh, I mean the hire has meant for Mike because part of the reason Mike got ran out of Tennessee, his offense kind of fell apart when he lost Arthur Smith.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Yeah. I just think it's one of those things that I think psychologically we all think, okay, this is just year one of the rebuild. And it's like, no, this is Ben Johnson's first year in Chicago. When you can spend $200 million in Chicago and go get Joe Tooney, Drew Dahlman and Jonah Jackson with our right tackle who's pro bowl level guy. Oh, now we have an elite O line, battle line to elite. Then the quarterback we upgrade. So then you take this quarterback like Chicago upgrade and you go buy 275 million and you solve your perimeter issue. And it feels like New England's receiving corps getting better. Like as Drake made like it was, it was okay for six weeks. Now you're like, oh, it's pretty good. Now I'm like, oh God, yeah, they can play from behind. I like them a lot.
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John Middlekauff
I will say this, the three wild cards, the Chargers, Houston and the Bills in whatever order. So you're going to play one of those. I mean you're talking D', amico, Ryan's, Jim Harbaugh and McDermott and Josh Allen. These guys have had a lot of success. I mean you all of a sudden you just draw as the seven seed again. We'll have to see who plays who next week. I would imagine the Chargers. Justin Herbert doesn't play next week. Right. Because that game doesn't even matter anymore against Denver. So all of a sudden what if you get them and you're getting Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert in just 60 minute game to go to the. That's just a tough draw, you know, and same thing, even if, you know, if they give Josh the week off next week, he gets to rest his ankle. You get Josh for the third time. That's, that's hard. He's, he's very comfortable coming into your building. Even if their team is not as good. We don't like him as much to go on a huge run. They are comfortable playing you. So it's, it's those three, eight and obviously the Texans, I mean I would not want to play the Texans in a wild card game. So these are just tough, the high level operations, you know, the Bills have just won a lot of playoff games over the last five years and obviously Harbaugh and d', Amico, I think you and I would, if they were stocks, would both own a lot of it. So it's, you know, the Patriots are going to get tested immediately as the two seed, which is sometimes, you know, whoever draws the packers as a seven seed, like they're leaking a lot of oil, they got a lot of injuries, they got a lot of issues. They're just, they're falling apart. That's, that's not going to be the case with whoever you potentially draw as the two seed, you know, in the, in the AFC wildcard round when you.
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Colin Cowherd
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John Middlekauff
The one thing I would say is Pittsburgh and Baltimore have some similarities. When you watch them on the right night and Pittsburgh's done this over the last month, you go, that's a really good team. And then you watch them on the wrong day, like today with the Steelers, you're like, I'm out. That team. That looks like a five win team. I mean, Baltimore last night, when they're handing it to him, I mean, he looks like Secretariat running. It's like this guy's an unstoppable force. The previous week against the Patriots, he wasn't even on the field in the fourth quarter. And John Harbaugh's like, yeah, might have screwed that one up. Yeah, you might have. John, you can argue that that game, like there was just a lot of heat on these two coaches just because they're both in high level organizations. You have to wonder, whoever loses this game between John and Mike could get pretty weird. That first weekend, you know, in January, the talk surrounding those guys, because these organizations, I mean, the the, the Ravens were two years ago the number one seed in a favorite to beat the Chiefs in the AFC championship game in their own building. And now two years later, they have a winner get in game against the Steelers on the road, which my guess would be they'd be favored. I mean, we'll have to see how that plays, I guess. I, I would imagine Lamar plays, but yeah, I mean, I, I, I just think that game, it reminded me a little bit of the previous week with Philip Rivers. You know, if you watch that game, like, Philip Rivers played great against the Niners, but his defense was atrocious. Like Malik Willis. The two best players on the field were Malik Willis and Derek Henry. Yeah, by a mile. But Malik Willis can't play linebacker or pass rusher, so, I mean, they're just getting shredded. There's nothing because he came on the field and this is bang, bang, boom, touchdown, bang, bang, boom. They're in the red zone for a field goal. So, yeah, I was, I was blown away. Malik Willis is who, I think social media told us Justin Fields was forever. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's what I think. People that thought Justin Fields was good, that's what Malik Willis actually looks like. Running the touch over the middle of the field, the deep ball, accuracy, the composure, the toughness. I, if Justin fields can get two year, $40 million, I, I'd be stunned. If Malik Willis can't get, you know, a little inflation. Previous two years, $50 million. Someone gives them like $30 million guaranteed for the offseason.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Malik Willis and Mac Jones, I think people are going to come after both. And I think I would go with Malik Willis. I just think he's such a natural athlete. But he, I'm watching that game and I'm like this kid. Plus he had nine carries. You know, forget.
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John Middlekauff
You could argue the packers are better off because their defense is so banged up now and their running game is in shambles. I can't. Malik Willis gives them a running element that Jordan Love just doesn't give him. Like, at least he can run the ball. Like, he gives him a better chance to win a game. Because if you can't, if Jordan Love's not throwing for 300 yards, they're not running it on anybody. They're in major. They could get rolled in the first round, you know, if they play the. Depending on who their matchup is.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Houston beats the Chargers 20 to 16. This was my favorite bet of the weekend. Almost a 40% pressure rate on Herbert, who also had multiple drops. His Tight end dropped a couple of balls. Here's my takeaway. So when Nick Casario was the, you know, GM in New England, they could not draft a wide receiver to save their life for Brady. I always go back to that Brady moment where he's screaming on the sidelines his last year in New England. Can you just get open? They could not draft a wide receiver. Nikhil Harry was a bus. Chad Jackson from Florida was a bus. They had to go, you know, buy Wes Welker or get Randy Moss. So Nick Casario's in New England. God, that guy doesn't know how to draft receivers. He now goes to Houston and clearly proving that Belichick had his thumb on him. He got Tank Dell. He goes and gets two guys out of Iowa State. Jalen Noel and Jaden Higgins, both like, you know, really talented guys. And I'm sitting there watching Houston and John, let's not forget what an absolute league embarrassment they were before D', Amico, Ryan, C.J. stroud, and Kazario got there. Like, we questioned whether those guys should take the job. We're like, I remember saying that Kasario, is this a career ender? This was considered three, four years ago, like, the laughing stock of the league. I think they've got. And I think Casario, go look at his drafting record. Go look at D', Amico, Ryan's defense, C.J. stroud. I'm going to argue all day long. C.J. stroud throws one of the prettiest balls in the league. Those first couple of throws, you know, to Iowa State guys like young kids, I'm like, man, this is beautiful stuff. But I don't really put that on Herbert, not because I love him, but I've seen this two or three times this year. I saw it when the Chargers went to Jacksonville. They just have trouble blocking people. If they face an elite rush, they just. They just discombobulate. Offensively, there's only so much they can do.
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John Middlekauff
Texans are a terrible matchup for them. I mean, absolutely terrible, terrible. Their two tackles gone. I'm with you on Casario. Think about this off season. You know, the NFL doesn't have too many of, like, the NBA, where the guy's so famous, it just feels like you're an idiot if you get rid of them. Even though the guy, like, the team couldn't wait to get rid of him, I don't think the Texans were thrilled. You know, Laramie Tunsle was a good left tackle, but they were never going to pay him again, and they just were ready to move on and when they made that trade, everyone went. The Houston Texans, their offensive line you can't get. Well, they're cruising to the playoffs. I don't know if you've checked on the commanders lately, but they're not making the playoffs. Oh yeah. And the Texans, this upcoming draft are going to have their second round pick which might be like pick 38. So they part of the reason the last two years they traded up because remember they drafted CJ shroud and they traded right up to get Will Anderson. And if you're gonna make a move like that, you better get it right. And they got it right.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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John Middlekauff
So now they got two franchise players who are super high character guys, team captain level guys. And they got reinforcements now coming with draft picks which they haven't had because they made that move. But like you said, they nailed some picks and their young offensive coordinator that they hired, I think from the Rams via New England has kind of figured it out. Like they. I was late to the game yesterday. I came in, we were at lunch and I was like, let's watch the first half at this bar. I walk in, it's 14 nothing and there's 10 minutes left in the first quarter. I'm like, what the hell happened? So I immediately go online. I mean they hit just two bombs. If they can add that element to their offense over the course of the next couple years, they are, because d', Ameco, he is, he is such a good coach. I mean he was. He's like a Frable or Harbaugh, one of those players that was just destined to be a star at this job. And how about this, Colin? They started 0 and 3 and it did not look pretty. And there were points in times in the middle of the year like I. And they are, they're going to end up with 12 wins. I mean they're probably. They look back and they go, if we could just have one of those games back. I mean we're right there with Jacksonville who's kind of been like the story of the league right there with the Bears. So it's what the Texans have done. I'm with you. I love them in that game. Just because the matchup, but just over the course of the last, you know, two and a half months has been pretty remarkable.
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Colin Cowherd
Go back to the Texans game against the Rams. It was like 14, nine. It's the one time this year the Rams just got stonewalled. Like this defense is. It is big boy football. You know, I was thinking about this.
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John Middlekauff
Do you think they could win the super. Like, could they. I think they could win the afc.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I've said this. I said it a month ago. I said I. If you look at this is the year that I think, I think the Texans, I want to see the matchups. I think they're going to end up in the AFC championship.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know who it's against. My gut feeling is I think New England's undervalued and Houston's undervalued, but Jacksonville's really good. But I could see Jacksonville going in as a favorite. I could see Trevor Lawrence making a big mistake. It feels like I just, I trust a great defense to show up. I mean, if you go look at the Texans road defense, you know how, like, Cleveland's a much better defense at home than away. That's usually the case. Like, if you look at Houston splits, they're the best defense in the league. On the road, it doesn't even matter. You can play in the parking lot. They're just great. This product contains nicotine that's an addictive chemical. What are you reaching for? If you're a smoker or dipper, you're reaching for nicotine satisfaction and all the problems that come with smoking or dipping. But you could be reaching for Zyn nicotine pouches. Let's talk about what Zyn helps you reach for. First variety. 10 flavored and unflavored Zyn varieties need a 3 milligram or 6 milligram strengths. Also, because Zyn nicotine pouches are smoke free and spit free, you don't have to think about lingering smells or unsightly spit bottles. Then there's living life on your terms, where you don't have to step away from good times because you need a smoke or a dip, where you can be part of every moment. And hey, there's more. Zyn offers a robust rewards program, opportunities to break free from your routine membership, and a unique nationwide community. Whatever you're reaching for, reach for it with America's number one nicotine pouch brand. Find your zen@zen.com that's Z football season's here. And if you want to go to an NFL or college football game, Game Time is the place for you. The Game Time app just gives you the advantage back to you, the fans. It's a hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in a few tabs. I love it. Easy to use. The Game Time guarantee means you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price. 100%. So they even let you preview your seat on the app. That's special. Plus fees are always included. So what you see is what you pay every time. Take the guess out of buying professional football tickets with GameTime. Just download the GameTime app. Create an account. If you use the code Colin C O L I N 20 bucks off your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account. Redeem code C O L I N 20 bucks off swipe, tap ticket. Go download the Gametime app today.
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I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi Dan.
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Hey, how's it going today?
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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are when, what you do.
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Dan Morgan
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John Middlekauff
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Colin Cowherd
I did think it was interesting thinking about this, the Green Bay game. So up until 1978, there were 14 NFL games. And then up until about three years ago there were 16 NFL games. Now we have 17. There's talk of 18. So for the first time ever, because I buy all these services, to watch Week 17 in the NFL, you had to have Netflix, Amazon, Peacock, the NFL Network, Fox, CBS and espn. I was like, like this is. I gotta write this stuff off. You and I write it off. But I was gonna. I'm not buying Peacock for the Olympics, okay? Because I don't talk about it. If I, if I get some highlights or there's a big event, I would buy it. I don't buy it for the NBA because I have ESPN and I already have Amazon. Everybody's got Netflix, so I don't mind that. And Netflix is pretty good at everything they do. But I wasn't gonna watch the game. I'm not gonna buy Peacock for. I'm not buying Peacock for the NBA and I'm not buying it for Tyler Huntley and Malik Willis. And my stepson said, oh, I have it. So I'm like, okay. Because my takeaway is I'm protesting. Like, I don't even know what average fans that don't get to write this stuff off do. But it is interesting. I was thinking, as the NFL keeps extending games, you know, Netflix is a monster. It doesn't matter. Like, it just doesn't. The Amazon and Netflix, Amazon because of the retail business, Netflix because of. Of their entire business. But Peacock's going to lose a billion dollars on the NBA deal for Peacock to get late season games. And I was thinking about this as you extend the season. Going to be 60 quarterbacks played last year, going to be 58 this year. And I was thinking to myself, these streamers, like when Fox broadcasts a game, John, you get the broadcast and they stream everything. Same with CBS streamers, just stream. And I'm thinking, man, I'm watching that Peacock game. I'm like, I wonder what the real number is without Jordan Love and Lamar Jackson. Because you're asking a lot for fans to buy, like four week 17. I needed three streamers, cable, two networks, and the NFL Network.
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John Middlekauff
Peacock's been a stalwart in the middle cough home because my wife watches a show called Below Deck where these guys go on a boat and get drunk and they. They follow the captain and the crew. So we've been a loyal subscriber of that one for a long time. I do wonder, right? NBC is a good example, right? They have Sunday Night Football is the number one television show in America, right? And Fox and cba, cbs. The afternoon games are monsters that as a certain generation dies, people don't watch. I mean, when I was a kid in the 90s, all the big shows run. NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox at night, Monday through Friday. Well, no one. You couldn't meet anyone under 50 that go. That even knows what regular television even means anymore, right? Especially anyone under like 30, like your son would. You're not going to ABC to watch a show.
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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John Middlekauff
So for NBC to survive over the course of the next 20 years, they need Peacock to, I guess, be successful. But I'm with you. I thought the NBA deal. What do you think the actual numbers on some of these games? That I'm a casual at this point in time because I spent so much time talking football. I've never. And like you, I don't do like A, you know, you talk way more but I don't talk basketball anymore. So I'm not as dialed in beside like the warriors. And I'll be, we'll be logging on to Peacock or Amazon prime and I'll see they have an NBA game on. I'm like, who's watching? Unless you're like some die hard Zach Lowe type. I don't think the casual guy that would have stumbled into it on tnt. Well, and the NFL is a little different because it's a one off situation. But. But yeah, and I'm with you. This is not. We're in a slippery slope with the situation for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Well the other thing is the incumbent ESPN for me as a built in audience.
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Colin Cowherd
And then Amazon, like Netflix, I have those for obvious reasons. You got to have those too. And Amazon beat Peacock to the punch with the NFL for years ago. Right. So like I'm, I'm, I have that. Peacock's like, well, I don't, I don't need that much NBA. And you're not getting playoffs. I don't believe Peacock has a great playoff. They don't get the finals. I don't get. They, I don't know what they get. Playoffs wise, if I recall, it's not great. And who wants to watch? I mean the Western Conference playoffs will be, you know, dynamic if you get those. Maybe. But it's just I looked at it and I thought to myself, man, you're asking a lot of the consumer to go to a third streamer. You're asking a lot of the consumer. And I and increasingly is these. We're averaging 60 quarterbacks a year. So if you're just parachuting in and you think, hey, we get the December 26th game every year. Good luck. You watch these games, good luck getting starting. Either teams will have their division sealed, you know, a lot of seedings are done or you're getting a backup quarterback. I want to throw this out there talking NFL. The Raiders got clobbered by the Giants. So it was a corner TV game for me. You know, Jackson Dart played pretty well. The Giants played with a lot of pride. Giants actually have some good. Yeah, they have some good players. So the Giants hammered the Raiders. So the Raiders are going to get the number one pick. So they'll get Mendoza. They have Brock Bowers, they have Ashton Genty, Colton, that'll left tackle. O line's bad. They have to address that. The Giants now have the second pick. And I. If you're the Giants now, you were rooting like crazy. That Dante Moore comes out not to draft him because I don't think I would draft Dante Moore so you can trade down. So the New York Giants really want Dante Moore to go pro? I don't think any other quarterback rises to that level. But when you look at the Raiders, let me ask you the question. They're going to get Fernando Mendoza. We have now seen multiple times old defensive coaches. You, Belichick, you know, Ron Rivera, old defensive coaches with young quarterbacks, even younger defensive coaches. Matt Eber flutes with Caleb Williams. If you're the. If you're the Raiders, do you bring back Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll's son on the staff, and go with Fernando Mendoza? Or do you just say to yourself, okay, we're going to go find our Liam Cohen. We're going to go find. We're going to go find. We're not going to mess around and do like the Bears did with Eber Fluth for a year. A defensive guy and a staff that Chip Kelly's gone now. And now there's a lot of. You know, there was criticism up in Seattle about Pete. Son, I got nothing against pizza. I never met him. What do you do if you're the Raiders? You take Mendoza? Do you clean house? Do you stay with his staff?
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John Middlekauff
Well, a couple of things. I think Pete's done. I think everyone I know in the NFL assumes that he is going to get fired. Every article I've read points to he's in major trouble. And let's face. I think look at him and Belichick, that they just refused to wave the white flag. I mean, they had more. They had nine figures in the bank. They didn't need to keep doing this, but they just couldn't tap out. Right. These guys were in their mid-70s. They were legendary coaches, and they just couldn't stop. And look at the way it's going for both. You know, Pete this year was pretty sad. You know, he's down on the table and I. I kind of believed him. He's like, get ready. I win. That's what I do. And then he comes to Raiders. I, I actually would be careful, though. They play the Chiefs this week. Not that Andy's losing sleep over playing Fernando Mendoza over the next five years, but I could see Andy. I mean, one, he's rolling out a practice squad guy. They had 95 yards of offense against Denver. It's not like they're very good right now either.
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Colin Cowherd
He.
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John Middlekauff
I could see them resting. A bunch of guys, you know, they're not playing at home, so Travis doesn't have to play. That's. I could see them screwing the Raiders and like, you better be very careful. I come in with the Raiders, did spy tech takes it out of everyone's control. Max, you're not playing anymore. Matt Crosby almost single handedly beat the Texans a week ago. So I understand why Max is, you know, I respect it. But to me, if I'm Max at this point in time, like it's time I was, I was looking. I think the Raiders actually, if they do take care of business and lose, the Chiefs have an out with Max. Where you could still get at even in his late 20s, multiple first round picks because he's. He doesn't drink. He's not a partier. He's a high character guy, team leader plays. There's not a guy that plays harder in the NFL. He's every. They love him. I mean, but what a, what a waste. Remember when the Kansas City Chiefs traded Jared Allen to Minnesota and it changed his career? You know, he goes to a good team, ends up in the hall of Fame. I think teams the Eagles, the Lions, the Bears, you know, these teams would be lined up to give you multiple first round picks. So I think that's their move. You get Fernando Mendoza and you just start over. The problem with the Liam Cohen thing, who is that guy? You know, is it. Is it Kubiak up in Seattle? You know, there's not really like it doesn't feel like there's the next Ben Johnson, Kyle, Sean McVeigh who just there might be that guy. But it doesn't feel like he's standing out like Ben was last year or even Liam Cohen. Clearly he's really good. I don't know. I mean, actually the guys are, you know, Robert Sala give him part number two.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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John Middlekauff
Just maybe it was the jets and get him with Spike Tech and kind of that infrastructure. I respect the hell out of Tom and everything his career stood for. I do think it's hard though, having been in a front office and know the time and seen how much time Andy and Howie and know these guys now and how often they're in the office to kind of be a Baker's Bay in Florida, but still have a bunch of opinions like, you know, if you're going to, you know, Matt Ryan's been rumored. If Matt Ryan's going to do. When John Elway was the gym and ran the Broncos, he was in the office every day with his guys. You can't. It's not one of those jobs where you can have. Jerry west was Around. I saw him at warriors games, every single game I went to. And at that point in time, he wasn't even the gm like, so you're going to have to either be all in or all out. You can't have. Because Mark Davis is desperate for help. Like, I do respect that Mark has taken big swings. He said, john, you do it. 10 years, 100 million million. Turns out it didn't work. But like, hey, I know the Bucks were trying to hire him a couple years later. Josh McDaniels, 6 years, $80 million Again, these blew up in his face, but he's taken huge swings. And the Pete Carroll thing, I think they were just, you know, Tom really wanted Ben Johnson. He wouldn't take their job. Right? So I don't really know, you know, Robert Salah, but you take a quarterback, it's kind of who's your offensive coordinator. It's kind of a weird spot. I think they're the Raiders, just kind of got to hope that you fire them and you just, you hire one of these young coaches and you kind of strike, strike the oil, folks.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, if you look at the NFL draft order right now, it actually made me laugh today when I looked at the NFL draft order. It is, I mean, John, Raiders, Giants, Jets, Titans, Arizona Browns. If I'd have said to you, that's the 2016 draft order, it's the 2021 draft. It's like it's the same nonsense, the same owners, the same teams over and over.
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John Middlekauff
Well, look at, look, a team that I think deserves credit is Kellen Moore and the Saints. You know, look at Kellen Moore, what his background is. Chris Peterson, Boise winner. His dad, high school coach, winner. He goes to the Cowboys as a player and as a coach where they had a ton of success. And then last year, Eagles, super bowl, like you look at Kellen's background, it's like, yeah, this guy's pretty high level guy. Ask Chris Peterson about him. He's pretty. And he goes Tyler Shuck, throwing touchdowns left and right. They look, they just look like a little more stable than they've been over the last couple years. And you look at places like the Titans, you know, it's really hard to overcome. The Raiders, I'm a big John Spytak guy. But the negativity surrounding the organization, that, that owner, just some of his just, I would say, insecurities. You get Tom involved and you got the Giants who just, they've been a mess for the Jets, I mean, the jets, you could argue ours is embarrassing of a franchise there is in all professional sports right now it's pretty North America. Today was bad.
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Colin Cowherd
35, 3 at home trail not competitive. It was pitch and catch for Drake May. All right, one college thing. Kyle Whittingham, who I think we both like at 66 years old got the Michigan job. Now I do think 66 isn't ideal. Although I'd say, you know, he, he younger than his age. He's fit, he's a skier, he's a lifter, he's a workout guy. I know Kyle a little bit, he's just a grown up. But one of the things I would say is there's two reasons why age is less vital than ever before. One is nil and two is the transfer portal. This job got more administrative, it got more transactional. It's signing basically. If you can build a staff, Whittingham can. And you have 15 to 18 million nil money Michigan does, you're going to win 10 games. So I, I, it's, I wish he was 58, I wish he wasn't 66. But Sharon Moore was just over his skis. Like he just wasn't, he was out of his element. He is a position coach. I don't even think he's a great coordinator. He was a co coordinator. Harbaugh ran everything. So I mean Michigan made the mistake of, you know, and this is a classic mistake. They hired proximity, not professionalism. Matt Campbell, the Penn State's a real coach. Kyle Whittingham's a real coach. I, I like it. I, I, I listen, I always felt Utah was the most Big Ten like west coast team. So I like the move. Your thoughts?
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John Middlekauff
I would say Kyle Whittingham is more than a real coach. I mean at one point in time a couple years ago, I think he was considered like top five coach in America. Yeah, he was rattling off Pac 12 championships at Utah. I mean you're talking Oregon, USC, Washington. Pretty big disadvantage for Kyle Whittingham who for 20 plus years has had pro after pro after pro after pro. You know, I do think it's a pretty big cultural change. You know he was an Andy Reid teammate at byu. He's basically been at Utah as an assistant and the head coach I think for like three decades. I mean the majority of his life is Provo in Salt Lake City as a professional. Now going to the Big Ten or again, he had high expectations because he, him and Urban created them. But this is a different animal. Is it? Isn't it? I mean I, this is, you know, they asked Him. I saw the clip about Ohio State. He's like, yeah, I guess I gotta hate him. You know, it's. Again, I think they're very lucky that this was even available. Little weird, like Utah kind of forced him out. Maybe they were just ready for this coaching wave.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he said, he said he wanted to get out at like 65, I think, and then he wanted, then he got to 65 and said, I want to keep doing this. And he had a lot of bad year last year. Yeah, I mean, his teams in Utah were very predictable. A lot of NFL good O line, D line. I mean, right now, two of the three best offensive tackles in college football are at Utah. They'll be both drafted in the first round like the other ones at Miami. It's like, wait, timeout. Utah's got two of the three best offensive tackles. Yes, his tight ends are excellent. They were always kind of mediocre at quarterback. I mean, they just, they always, again, kind of just threw out guys. But you always knew if you were playing Utah, in Utah, you had your hands full physically. They, they, they blocked, they tackled, they hit. They're physical, they're intimidating.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah. If you ask Ryan Day, who would you rather play, Sharon Moore or Kyle Whittingham, I think we all know what that answer would be.
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Colin Cowherd
So they also did good special teams in Utah. They had good special teams in Utah.
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Richard Sherman
Tough.
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John Middlekauff
Well, they get NFL players at every level of their defense, D line, linebackers, and all the DB positions so that they will look like the Harbaugh team of a couple years ago. And offensively, I mean, they already have the quarterback under contract. This is the modern day college. But yeah, I mean, I think they, I mean they were, they were in a bad spot. I mean, the Sharon Moore thing is it's probably not even, you know, we're almost underrating how really ugly it is. You can't have a head coach doing that with an assistant in the office. Like, what are we talking about? I mean, that's, that's, that's embarrassing. I mean, that, that was a pretty low point. It shows you how desperate they were to kind of keep the Harbaugh mojo up. It's not really how it works. And they're, they're getting a no nonsense guy. I mean that, I'll tell you this, that is not going to fly. He's going to, he's going to purge that place and kind of, I think one thing the Michigan people like about him, you know, they're, they're a little, I would say stiff, you know, it's, it's the culture. He's, you know, the Utah Provo, Salt Lake City, like, he's, he's used to that. Like he's thrived in that environment. So I, I think he'll fit right in.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's do our Monday night Hard Rock bet. All right, John, Both of us got it right last week. Hard Rock bet. Pick of the week. I'm going to take the Rams minus seven and a half. The number was bigger against the Falcons. Even though they're on the road. The game matters. I mean, with San Francisco's play, with the Seahawks play, the game matters. If it didn't and there were some backups playing, I don't know how I'd feel. I think like the Seattle Carolina game, it's going to a, the energy, the efficiency of the Rams is going to overwhelm the Falcons. You know, it's a little advantage. Raheem Morris was in the Rams building. You know, Sean does know what Raheem likes. Raheem may know what Sean likes, but he doesn't have the players. I think there's some points in this game I would take the Rams to cover.
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John Middlekauff
I'm going to take the Falcons in this spot. I just think it's, I saw a stat today that if they all end up 8 and 9 that the Carolina Panthers would win the division. So like the, the Falcons have just kind of, you know, steady the ship a little bit with Kirk Cousins. You know, Bijan Robinson is one of the more talented players in the league. And like you said, there is a knowledge between the two guys. The Falcons are a bad team, but they're like a good bad team. I just think seven and a half that, that extra half point I'm going to go with. Raheem Moore is at home and yeah, I'll take the Falcons.
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Colin Cowherd
Great stuff, John. Crush it. Go watch the Niners.
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John Middlekauff
See you.
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Colin Cowherd
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