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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Lane Kiffin to NFL? Kalen DeBoer-Alabama, Texas-Georgia
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The volume. This week's crunch time performer brought to you by McDonald's new buffalo ranch sauce is Jonathan Tater. Wow, was he great. Went to Berlin, carried the Colts on his back. 244 rushing yards, three touchdowns. And the Colts wild come from behind overtime win over the Falcons. Taylor's performance was satisfying. Just like the first bite of the bacon Creamy Buffalo McCrispy. All right. Sharpest young voice in college football, Josh Pate. I love having him on. I got to tell you, through the years, when I talk to most of my sources aren't players or coaches. They've always been executives. Because I probably absurdly have always fashioned myself is if I didn't do this, I'd want to be a gm, not a coach, not a player. I like all the architecture of building stuff. And when you talk to them about players, I remember when Josh Allen came out of Wyoming and I would talk to GMs and they're like, okay, did you see the throw against, you know, it wasn't against Oregon or Iowa. There's a throw and it was, it's remarkable how often it's a play, a moment, a drive, and a scout goes, okay, the Penn State game for Sam Darnold at the Rose bowl, that's the one. Everybody went, whoa, whoa, this is, this is different. Fernando Mendoza. So first of all, he was going to go to Yale. He settled on Cal, so the kids, obviously, and Indiana is a good school. So we know he's got brain power. We know he's 6 5. We know all that stuff. That last drive on the road, Penn State couldn't run. Face the defense, made three throws. The one in the back of the end zone, like, I'm like, okay, that's a Sunday player. That's not, that's not normal. That's Herbert at Oregon. You know, caring, average people around him. Not average, but because I think, I think Indiana's got good players. They don't have Ohio State guys, maybe. But I watched that drive and I'm like, oh, he has to come out. That's the number one player in college football. I don't care about Ohio State's linebackers and corners. That's the impression it had on me. It was just sitting on the couch going, oh my God, this looks like Sunday. What was your Takeaway on it.
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I thought it was. There are very few moments like this, but I was watching it in an airport, first off, seeing a big sporting moment, seeing a big football moment in an airport. It's always unique because it's really a unique setting and you're not there often if you cover the game. So that was number one, was just the takeaway of how surreal it is that, wow, the entire world's fixated on Indiana football in this moment. I thought it was one of those moments where you. You see someone come of age, like, you know, someone's got potential, and then all of a sudden it just happens. And sometimes it's just a. Like, sometimes guys just hit. Hit a lucky shot or make a lucky throw, but it's rare. You don't get lucky three times like that on the same drive. It's something that's in you. It's potential you have. And it's not that he hasn't shown flashes. If you're paying attention to college football. Right. Knew about him. If you're paying attention to the mock drafts, you know about him, but you've been waiting for that. Okay, so, like, I thought you were talking about scouting there. I've always sort of disagreed with the approach of boiling down a player in your mind to, like, highlight culture. Like, I think of one or two throws. I've always wanted to shave the best and the worst off and take what's in the middle, and that's the player, and that's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of plays. But with Mendoza, he's lesser known to the general public. You just. I guarantee you there's a whole army of college football fans out there that know the name Fernando Mendoza, and they know he's the quarterback in Indiana. They probably hadn't even watched him a whole lot. That was when they saw him. And that matters. That matters for your Heisman crowd, but that also matters for that locker room. It's one thing to go in there, win 38 to 10. Like a and M just went and took care of Missouri and Marcel Reed didn't have to do on that Saturday what Fernando Mendoza did. And I just could not help but in the moments afterwards, go back to Oregon. Last year, Oregon just goes wire to wire, undefeated. They had one, like, close games early before they got their act together. And they go undefeated and they're totally clean. And they go in the playoff first round by. And then they get Ohio. Ohio State and they just get drug. And that was the first time they really tasted their blood. And Indiana looked Like they were on a trajectory to maybe do that. And instead they didn't have to suffer the consequences of loss, but they dealt with something. They dealt with having to crawl over broken glass to get a win. And I mean, I'm never going to be in a major college football locker room as a player, but I cannot imagine what that flight home was like. I can't imagine what it's like to look in the mirror, man. As him just look in the mirror. Everyone's been talking you up. But sometimes there can be a little imposter syndrome. There can be a little self doubt. There can be none of that with him anymore. It was amazing to watch.
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Yeah. Great second half. Penn State marched up and down the field with their backup quarterback over and over and over. And you were like, oh, my. We got, we got. I almost tweeted, who's your daddy? I was so close to the play on words. I was like, we're going to. We're going to get an upset. And then he took that ball and I was just like, wow, that's impressive. You know, the. This weekend, Oklahoma, Bama. I like Bama. Iowa, USC take the points. I think it's 27, 26 either way. Iowa's a tough matchup on USC. Texas, Georgia. I'll take Georgia. When the rankings came out this week, I want to talk about Kalyn DeBoer. That's what I want to talk about. So I said, when. When Saban left and Kaylin DeBoer took over, I said, that's the greatest handoff in the history of college football. Generally, you give it to somebody on the staff because that's what the players want. It doesn't work or you bring in somebody and the culture doesn't work. He's just a winning guy. Caleb De Boer, Sioux Falls, Fresno State, Washington. He was 25 and three people assumed, well, it's Bama. He didn't have to rebuild anything. I was like, no, no, time out. That's a whole different ball game. This is Bama Nil. That's a whole different ball game. Secondly, he is different than Nick and there's going to be things. He likes coordinators. He does, doesn't. I'm like, he was almost punished because everybody thought Nick handed him a Rolls Royce. And I'm like, no, he handed him a used Rolls Royce. It wasn't as dominant as it was two years earlier. Georgia now had as good or better players. And the nil world had changed. Texas now could just buy players. So if you watch Bama and you watch Kaylin DeBoer with quarterbacks. I, I think Ohio State's the best team I've seen. I think Bama's too. I think Bama is the second best team in the country. I don't think Indiana quite has the personnel. A&M's beaten a lot of teams that fire their coaches. So I'm not quite sure I buy that yet. They haven't played like Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Georgia, Bama. What do you make of Kalyn DeBoer? The doubters, the critics and where they are.
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I mean a lot of the doubt and the criticism was just folks wanting Alabama to fall off. It's been a long time since you could really take reasonable shots at Alabama and I grew up in the south so like I know the vibe about Alabama around the south. So there's some of it where people are kind of wishcasting. They're, they're hoping that they're right about doubting Kaylin DeBoer. And then there was another crowd that just flat out, you know, thought that he took like you said, a seamless baton handoff and it should be full stride and any kind of fall off, any kind of looking at the clock and oh, we're off pace a little bit that indicates that he's an imposter. And then you get to backfill with all these pre cooked theories people have in the south about how well if you're not from here, you can't recruit here and how's he going to recruit at Alabama and he doesn't know this place, he doesn't know the culture. So you know, the same stuff they said about Brian Kelly ended up being valid not because he wasn't from the south, it's because he didn't work to the degree you need to work at lsu.
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So the thing about Kalin is the style he won with at Washington is what you need to pay the most attention to the 20, 23 Washington season. What they have like seven one possession wins or something like that. So they were winning a bunch of close games. But there's so much, there's some randomized nature to that. But when you get a big sample size of one possession games and you're that good in one possession games, there's more than just luck to that. That skill Bama had been used to win in 42 to 10. And so he's come down here and even in the games where they're winning, it's, it's a lot of what he did at Washington, it's one possession games and it aggravates people so much cause they want to run for 250 yards and they can't run the ball this year and yet they're still scaling their offense despite not being able to run the ball which I think is the biggest feather in the cap of Ty Simpson. Mendoza is doing it with a ground game. Julian's doing it with a ground game. Bama can't run and Ty Simpson still does it. That's all I would say about him if I were promoting him for the Heisman. But DeBoer year one in that building this week. Colin a year ago they were in the thick of the playoff race. They're going to go to Oklahoma. They get their doors blown off.
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Blown off.
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That was really when the ant bed got kicked. That's really when all the rumors started spilling out. That's when all the, you know, the truth started getting dealt because they didn't feel like they had anything left to play for. So you start hearing some grumbling and you start really finding out how oil and water that building had been. Some of the old guards, some of the new guard and he walked in and I want to remind everyone he walked in at the weirdest possible time maybe in the recent history of college athletics because he takes the job, Saban retires and it was weird like early January kind of thing. So he takes the job and the portal opens for 30 days but they can't take, they can only lose for 30 days and then you patch it up as best you can. Julian Sayan was there by the way. He leaves. Caleb Downs was there. He leaves. Well then you go through spring ball and I remember talking to him about this after it happened and he didn't make any excuses. I was almost trying to make excuses for him but it was a situation where you had to run your spring practice knowing that after spring ball when you really want to get down guys throats and you want to try and install as much culture as you can, they could just leave. There's a post spring portal window and they could bail on you. These aren't your players, you didn't recruit them. How are you going to have a roster going into the season? So they had to kid glove their way through spring ball a little bit and even then like you get to the fall and you're kind of, you're trying to build the plane in the air and it used to be a nice plane and so no one's going to accept any kind of turbulence up there and that Oklahoma Game is where it really came undone a little bit and that's where you really started hearing it. So it's so crazy to fast forward a year from now. It just so happens to be they're in the thick of it again. Oklahoma's coming in again. I'm interested that you said you like Bama because a lot of people like Oklahoma this week. I love Bama this week. I'm interested in why it is you like Bama because I got one reason.
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Well, I, I, I guess my take is, I think, I think the offensive coaching at Bama. I tend to believe that offensive coaches are tinkerers. So I think DeBoer and his coordinator, you know, like when they went to Georgia, you're like, oh, that's a, that's a perfect game plan. I think defensive coaches, Venables tend to have this is what we are and we're just going to be more forceful. I tend to think with defensive teams you often get what you get and you get it by like week four. I think offensive coaches, Ryan Day is a great example. Last year, God, you watched the Michigan game, then a week later you watch Tennessee and then a week later you watch Oregon. You're like, oh shit. They didn't peak until the second week of the playoff. They're tinkerers. Chip Kelly was always that. He was always tinkering. So I tend to think Alabama is just getting better. They're just every week I feel like they're two possessions better. Whereas I feel kind of like I know what Oklahoma is. I've seen the best of Oklahoma. That's very good. But I think 0, 10 being the best one being not good. I think Alabama is about a 7. I think they're going to get to about an 8 and a half. Now Ohio State's at a 9 and they may just stay there. But it's why I think Bama is the second best team in the country. I think they've got a tinker as a coach. I watched them at Washington just manipulate, tinker improve. Anyway, that's my take is that I think four weeks ago I may have felt differently. I think the offensive coach over the defensive culture.
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I like Bama, so I'm with you. They are beating people on Saturday a lot, staff wise like they are. They got one of the best staffs in the country, offensively especially. So here's, here's what's interesting about that. If you watch the LSU game last week, they're coming out of a buy. Theoretically, you should just be shot out of a cannon. We're ready to peak in November. They won 20 to nine. I think it was. If you watch the game, you saw how much meat was left on the bone offensively. You saw how much like just off the fingertips type explosive passes they missed on. And I think that is part one of the separation Saturday. You just, you focus on precision and accuracy all week after a game like that. And then number two, Oklahoma's real hallmark is they can shut you down running the ball. I'd almost feel more uncomfortable for Alabama if part of their offense was built on the ground game. They already don't do anything on the ground. Lesser teams have shut them down running the ball. So what Oklahoma's built to take away, you can't take away from Bama because they already don't do it and yet they still scale their passing game anyway. And the two other offenses that they've seen that can do through the air what Bama can or Ole Miss in Tennessee and I think one of them threw for 319 and the other one threw for 380 or something like that against them. So it's going to be a real high profile game. It'll be a good fight. I think Alabama is going to end up winning the thing by double digits in the end.
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Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie?
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Iowa, usc. Let's talk about it. So Iowa can make things difficult for your pass game as usual, well coached. Have a handful of NFL bodies above average offensive line. I think one of the things I noticed about Illinois, about Notre Dame and Northwestern did it to a degree last week. You can run right at usc. Northwestern did it. There's things they've gotten better at their cornerback play. Like with usc, you can see the coaching and their offense now is a walk on true walk on freshman running back because they're all beat up and it hasn't hurt their running game at all, which is remarkable. Jaden Mava, most improved quarterback in college football. I just can't even believe what I'm watching. Two years ago I watched him at unlv. I'm like, he's a runner. He didn't even throw it. Then last year at usc, I'm like, I don't like him throwing it, especially over the middle of the field. I don't trust him. Now I'm like, that's a second round draft pick. That's a real quarterback. I think Iowa was a really tough matchup. I also think they play Oregon the next week. Chance to look ahead. Any chance in your eyes Iowa beats sc?
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Sure there is. I'm looking at a forecast and we're get, we got heavy rain in LA Saturday. I don't know what's happening. So the only thing that changes, the only thing that changes about the game that they played last week against Oregon is the venue at about 25 degrees. And that's your forecast for Saturday. So you know, you would think to yourself, oh, that heavily favors Iowa. Who knows, maybe it does. I just know if I'm usc, I'm drawing heavily on the fact that I ran it for 220 plus against Michigan. I ran it for over 200 on the road against Nebraska and I watched Oregon Run it for 260 against Iowa last week. So yeah, are they going to run on us? Probably. Iowa runs the ball to a certain extent on everyone. But the difference is now we think we can run it. It's been proven that you can run it on them. And I mean look, at some point if you're going to exist and thrive in the Big Ten, you got to do what Oregon did last week. You got to win a Big Ten game. I thought the most impressive thing Oregon did was they played Iowa's game and beat Iowa. Playing Iowa's game, they're going to drag you in there. The weather's not going to help already, but I was going to drag you in there. You just, you got to be able to come out of there cut up and bleeding all over the place, but holding a W because you're not going to finesse your way through the Big Ten. What you can do is you can hit a couple of explosive plays in the process of playing that style of ball. But I agree with you final Score projection. I agree with you. Now turnovers can be the difference there. So there's a lot, a lot higher variance when you play a condensed kind of game like that. I, I actually think Southern Cal is going to find a way to get the job done if they don't though. Do you understand? You understand. I hope everyone else understands how big a hinge moment this is for Lincoln because if they win it, it's. It's super bowl time in Eugene. It's playoff on the line. Big Ten stuff on the line. If they lose this Saturday, that's a three loss team almost inevitably headed for a fourth loss. At which point you know what the noise is going to sound like around there.
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Yeah, no, it's. I've said this, you know, and, and I, I've said this once. College football, the playoff is expanded to 12 teams. All these romantic rivalries are in doubt. And I got a lot of angry responses. I said I would reconsider the Notre Dame. I would go to Notre Dame if I was Jen Cohen. Because what's interesting here, Josh, if they beat Iowa, and I think they will, I'm going to go 27, 26, 28, 27 and lose to Oregon. They would make the playoff had they not played Notre Dame. And if they'd stuck in Fresno, they'd have a close loss on the road to Illinois. And I think they'll be competitive against Oregon, although Oregon hits on a lot of big plays and USC gives up big plays. So it's kind of a weird matchup. But they would make the playoffs with two losses because they'd have enough impressive wins. So, you know, I, my take on usc Notre Dame is Jen Cohen should go in and say, you need it more than we do. We're in the Big Ten. I don't need another cold weather opponent in November. Will play you every other year. Has to be in September. We can start in Notre Dame, but I'm not playing you late. I'm not doing that. I'm going to squeeze you between Georgia Southern and Fresno State. I'm not playing you after Ohio State and before Oregon get lost. But it is interesting because I think USC is going to win and I think they're going to be competitive against Oregon. Although Oregon's receiving corn may be healthier, but I said, I think I told you this. Lincoln Riley is Matt Lafleur. I know he's smart, he's on the right side of the ball. He's good with quarterbacks. Play designer play. Caller gets a little prickly with the media. I don't know if he's a culture guy. I like everything else. I know he's smart, I know he played designs. I've watched every snap at usc. I know Lincoln's bright. Don't know if he's got that Vrabel Harbaugh, Chris Peterson culture building thing. Not sure if he does. But I, I think they'll win it. Texas at Georgia. This just feels like Georgia. Arch Manning has played better. Georgia's not quite as dominant as two years ago. I think the whole nil thing is, is giving us some Texas Techs and it's peeled back on the dominance of SEC teams at the top. I like Georgia. What say you?
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I gotta also just before I talk about the game, man, the conference expansion stuff specifically for the sec, I don't really know that people fully appreciate what this has been like down here. Do you have any idea what it's like to watch Texas come into Athens, Georgia on a Saturday night? And the same, the same time you got one broadcast network having all these games. By the way, four hours earlier you will have watched Oklahoma go into Alabama and that used to be like once a decade out of conference stuff. Not just conference rotation, just conference games. Really crazy, just in the best of ways. So if I were to have told you in July and you don't know anything about the upcoming season, I just told you, all right, Colin, Texas Georgia is going to be big time game second week of November. I'm guaranteeing you the game's going to come down to quarterback play. How would you have felt about that edge wise in July? Because I think that's how the game boils down. And I don't think we're going to go the way on that answer that we would have in July. Unless we think the sample size from the last couple of games of Arch Manning is a sign that that that thing that you hope happens in week one is finally happening, but it's happening in week 12. Now if it is, Texas can go in there because Texas pressures the quarterback way more than Georgia does. So Gunner Stockton's got a bigger hill to climb here than Texas does and Arch Manning does. But if that thing that seems to happen every year in November with some player where he just finally finds his groove, if that's happening with Arch Manning, the most important thing in this game is tackles in space and yards after catch. I think it was Matt Vogel. I want to give proper credit. I think it was Matt Vogel. I saw that put out a stat that these two quarterbacks are number one and number two in the league in passes behind the line of scrimmage. Which stands to reason they recruit great athletes. They want to get the ball to them quick, get it in space, make someone miss. So that's probably where this game gets decided. I just wonder to myself, I watched Texas get two shots at Georgia last year and they get physically just bent twice.
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Yeah.
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Not supposed to happen when you recruit and develop like Texas. It was a very, very big pride shot, I thought, for them.
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And so, you know, they're 11 and three in conference games since joining the league. Two of the losses were last year to Georgia and now they get another shot at them. And the reason I'm leaning Georgia in the game is I can make you a case for Texas. I just think at some point, as a staff, you got to show me, like as the, as the overall MO of a program, I know what Georgia and Kirby is. I never have to question that.
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It's crazy that you think to yourself or I think to myself. This far into the Sark tenure, there's still a lot we haven't figured out about what Steve Sarkeesian's Texas is. That's why nights like that are so important this weekend.
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I think that's perfectly put. And I. It's really interesting. Mack Brown's teams, I think, had a better identity sometimes. Texas can be pretty. They can be pretty. I've said this. When USC and Texas played, I was at that game that was the most beautiful college football game of all time. The sunset, the Rose bowl, burnt orange, usc, the best looking fans.
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Everything about the game was beautiful. It wasn't the most physical game. It was just beautiful sports. Reggie and Leonard and Vince. And I've said that before, maybe it's because LA is a pretty town and Austin is music and food, but there is. I know exactly one of the first things. The packers right now are a broken team. And I'm like, what are they? You know, And I look at Sark's Texas team and I. My take is they're really talented, but I'm not sure exactly what they are. And like Marcus Freeman takes over Notre Dame. An hour later, I'm like, oh, they're physical there. This is going to be like an uglier version of Brian's teams. They are physical, they seek contact. The backs are like. Notre Dame has an absolute identity under Marcus Freeman. It is smart. I mean, they're always smart, smart, physical, Punishing. They're going to. They want to run right between the tackles. It's yards after contact. It's fight for every yard. I don't know what. Texas is good, talented. I don't know what they are.
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You know what's totally fair to say about them? The exact same thing you just said about Lincoln. To this point, it's fair to say the same thing about Sark. I love the dude to death. I actively pull for him. But there is a big difference. I mean, he's a clinician, as a play caller, as an offensive mind. There are very few that could even hang in a conversation with him. But he's not the offensive coordinator alone. There's the head coach. And so, you know, I'm looking at everything that trickles down from the top. And if we're asking that question this far in, look, maybe there's still some development that happens there. I could say the same thing about Lincoln. I know those guys are old relative to football minds, and they've been around a while. I mean, look, Saban didn't win his first national title until he was in his early 50s, and then he won seven of them. So it's. It's not the craziest concept that guys may still be learning on the job a little bit.
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No. I mean, I talked to Tom Telesco, was a GM for the Chargers for years and the Raiders briefly, and he said it's a benefit in the NFL if you hire a head coach who's great. Schematically, he goes, that's Shanahan and Andy. He goes, you're really hiring CEOs? Well, it's easier to be a CEO at 55 than 45. Like, so much of. I mean, Texas is a pro job. I mean, especially now with Nil, it's like a pro job. I mean, you're dealing with. It's just a different ball game than. Than even usc. Texas is bigger. And, you know, I think you're learning. I think, like, in life, everybody gets better. I remember Patrick Mahomes saying, the light went on year three. And you're like, you were the MVP year two. And he's like, yeah, but everything slowed down in year three. So I think that's. I don't even think it's a criticism of Sark. I think it's a reality. He's just getting better at it. So Lane Kiffin. I've known Lane for a long time, and I think Lane's smart. I think he's, again, gotten better and better. I made this argument Is that you can bounce around Ole Miss, lsu, you can bounce around. They're all, I mean these guys these days, if Ole miss can pay 10, LSU pays 11. There's less pressure at Ole Miss. I'd stay, I'd stay at Ole Miss. It's Oxford's beautiful that I said. I think actually he could be an NFL coach and like Harbaugh, he'd walk into the sport for the first three years. He knows all these players way better than your GM does. Also like a Miami to, because of the contractual situation, is going to be your quarterback for a year. But you probably got to draft your next quarterback. And most of these guys are second round quarterbacks. Well, he knows Nussmeier and he knows Simpson. He knows all these guys, South Carolina kid, he knows all of them. So by the second round, nobody's going to know those quarterbacks better than Lane Kiffin either. Recruited him, played him, played against him. Do you think Lane Kiffin, do you think he's considering the NFL?
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Yeah, I think he is. I think several of them are. I think there's some names considering the NFL that would totally and completely put jaws on the ground if the names ever got public. I think these guys are always considering the NFL. Now, you'd never get the truth out of most of them, but yeah, I mean, look, you, you know the kind of mentality it takes to succeed at the highest level of college football, especially if you specialize on a side of the ball goes hand in hand with the kind of mentality that thinks I could win in the NFL. I could win on Sundays. I want to test myself against the best. I want to see how my offense does. And especially with Lane, like you've all, you've got the Oakland Raiders chapter in his past, you don't think he wants to make good on that? Dude, I'm a believer. I'm a believer Saban never did it. I'm a believer he wanted to make good on the Miami Dolphins part. Didn't like all of the, all of the other extracurricular that comes along with the NFL relative to college. But yeah, I think he'd, he would consider it. I think they actively consider it all the time. What I don't know, and I think this is really what the decision comes down to is what do you personally value the most beyond football? Like, some guys hate recruiting. They're looking at the first exit door to get to the NFL, right? Others, they think it's their wheelhouse. They think that's one of their strongest suits. They actually love being around young people. I will never forget when I was coming out of college down in Columbus and I heard you talking about Parcells one day and you described him as a meatball with arms. That is what stuck with me. That is what NFL coaches look like relative to college coaches because you're around adults all day instead of younger adults. So past that. Yeah, I think he is considering it.
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I think it's been taken into consideration when you do your pros and cons, there's not going to be a clean list under the cons for any of these jobs.
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Right?
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So it'll miss. That's what you have to ask. But then what if you're Lane Kiffin, you have to ask, all right, but what state do I reside in? I reside in Mississippi. The one thing that you're going to say about Mississippi is it pumps out NFL front, future NFL front defensive talent every year. Now, historically, they've gone to other schools, but that's why it's been case by case a nightmare to play Mississippi State, Ole Miss in certain given years, because they're just freak shows out of Scuba and Philadelphia and Columbus and you've never heard of those places, Yazoo City, Mississippi. But they got future first round NFL draft picks coming out of there. I would think to myself, man, if I can keep enough of those guys home, I'm going to get the offensive guys. But like, you're right, that that is the case if I'm representing him. And selfishly, I want him at LSU or I want him at Florida. I want him at Florida because I'm saying, dude, they've got the track record of offense like you want Spurrier, even when Urban was there. The difference is you can get the defensive talent down there as well. That's what I'd sell him on.
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Yes. Sark told me this when he was at Washington. He said I can get first round receivers and tight ends and quarterbacks. At Washington, it's defensive tackles. Yeah, you can't get them in the Northwest. We just don't have, we may have one every other year who's a, who's an elite defensive tackle. And so, you know, that's why, you know, I just think it's a reality of, even in Southern California, as great as that state is right now, usc, if you look at their interior D line recruiting, there's Texas, there's no, there's an Oklahoma kid, there's a Texas kid, there's a Minnesota kid. Not a lot of LA kids on that defensive front. Now, Lemon, the receiver lanes from Arizona, you know, Mayava, they got in Vegas, running back walk ons from Calabasas, USC's offensive talent. You know, it's a lot of LA kids and west coast kids, but no, I, I think Lane's a great example of the willingness to evolve as a human being. I think Lane today is just a much better human being. Not that I know him that well, but there were a lot of people out on Lane and he went small school one. And I think Nick Saban deserves a lot of credit. You know, Saban took a beat up Lane and a beat up Sark. That tells you a lot about Nick Saban. Those guys were not they had lost a lot of glare in college sports, I think.
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I mean, that 25, 2015 team he had alone, just doing a deep dive on that staff alone. Pretty unbelievable at Alabama that Saban had. But I mean, I remember when Lane was at Alabama. I remember when, when Sark had gotten to Alabama. And you're hearing the stories behind the scenes and you're thinking to yourself, I mean, like one of the greatest magician tricks that I thought about Nick Saban when I first came to sort of see behind the curtain is everyone watched them and they're this machine and they're winning. And so you think, oh, they're free of all the crap that everyone else has to deal with. And then you find out there's tons of infighting there. All of these coaches are alphas, all of these coaches are type A's. And he's just. It's like herding cats. And he somehow did it. But. But to do what he did for Lane, slash with Lane, to do the same thing for slash with Sark, that's pretty unbelievable. But the other part of that is at some point, it doesn't matter how much someone else is trying to help you if you don't want to help yourself. So, yeah, ton of credit to Nick Saban. Absolutely. It's not like Kiffin's having to rediscover himself at Publix like he is. He is coaching major college football. But at some point you got to look in the mirror and realize, I'm a full grown adult. Like, it's up to me. And thankfully he did that.
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Finally. What if Ohio State wins the Natty? I think their defense is insane. I think it's. I mean, that it's really, really good. Ohio, you're going to have a Michigan, Ohio State, Ohio State. What's going to be the feeling in the south if Ohio State wins third straight Big Ten championship? What are we going to say in college football?
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Existential crisis. And a lot of people will paint it like a lot of people are going to say the Big Ten and the sec. I'll look at it as Michigan and Ohio State. That's what I'll look at it as. The same way as I always thought it was really dumb when South Carolina fans beat their chest and chanted sec. When Bama and LSU are winning national championships, it's Bama and lsu and then mix Georgia in. Those are the teams winning the national titles. Now look, I'm not going to speak ill of the overall competitive depth of the sec. No one needs to teach me about that. But if I'm looking at, you know, the state of affairs in the sec, like, what does it mean if the Big Ten has the best team in the country this year, maybe even 1, 2, and then for all we know, the SEC has 3, 4, 6, 9 and 10. I think it speaks that there's incredible competitive balance, but also competitive top to bottom in the sec. There are taller mountain peaks in the Big Ten. Like, that's not a crazy concept to me. People will make a much bigger deal about it than should be made about it. What I'll ask is, what kind of praise does Ryan Day deserve? We're right in the middle of it, so this all could be moot. But that guy lost so much. And you have Penn State pay ungodly money to take your defensive coordinator and what you improved defensively just happen. Chip Kelly. You lose Chip Kelly and anyone would have taken that job, by the way. And you're in a position where you can promote from within. It just. I cannot speak highly enough of the job they've done there. And they're playing like their lives are on the line every week the same way Saban's Bama teams used to.
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Look, I'll tell you, Julia's saying nobody's talking about him because he's not coming out right. He's young, right? And Mendoza and Dante Moore and his conference are getting deserved love. And Jaden Maava, like the quarterback playing the Big Ten since you brought those Pac 12 schools in has gone way up very quick. I mean, even Mendoza's from Cal. So it's like the One thing the Pac 12 brought to the Big Ten was quarterback play. Like, it's just better. Julian sand is something else. I mean, he is really, really good. And even if you go back to that Texas game in the opener, Arch got all the love. It was like Julian just like. I mean, even though he was home, it's like he's the nervous one. Arch Manning, as I told you, Thanksgiving with the Mannings is an event. Like Julian sand was like, Arch Manning, Texas national tv, we're. I was like, holy shit, that kid's good. He's really, really good player. I think he was a five star kid too. So it's not shocking.
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I think also if you remember back to the spring, it was presented in Columbus as this is a legitimate quarterback battle. Sometimes they BS you on quarterback battles, okay? So a lot of times it's not the case. I think that was an authentic quarterback battle. It wasn't that he was a surefire three Years from now, first round NFL draft pick Kit in spring. But where he is is he's sitting there in the most fertile developmental soil in college football. And so he, he's not, he's got God given ability that few can match, but he's developed week over week. Like you can look at the progression, it's almost linear, which is a hallmark of the best coaches and the best programs. That's why the same ones continue to win over and over again. But like week one and then week two and then week six and then week nine and you're looking at him and you're saying, wow. And that's the first year of him. They get one more. Remember he has one or two. But yeah, he's been pretty incredible to watch.
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Yeah. And by the way, those two receivers, oh my God, I joked the other day, just, just, if you're an NFL gm, just draft a wide receiver from Ohio State every year. Your depth chart will be fine. Just take only Buckeyes because I mean, Harrison's now playing better. Ibuka's amazing. JSN's incredible. This, this Carnell Tate, I mean, he's the overshadowed one. He's the two man body, unbelievable hands, grip on the football, forceful. Yeah. Ohio State's goods. I mean, I, you, I, I, I don't know if Indiana could compete. I, I think Ohio State's really good. Josh Pate, the Josh Pate Show. We do this every couple weeks. I can't wait. So we both like Bama. I like USC narrowly. I think you like usc. I'll take Georgia. We agree there. Hey, Josh, tell me about Quick Trip, brother.
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It's my lifeline right now, fueling me to every single stop that we go on on this tour in the fall, the old Fall Don't Lie tour. Quick Trip. So the best thing about partnerships is when it organically forms. You know, when someone who runs a major corporation hits you up and says, hey man, I've been watching your show for a long time, we'd love to be a partner. That's beautiful. That's what Crick trip was for me. So, I mean, you see them all over the place in the south, you see them a little bit more in the Midwest. Spreading the footprint a little bit. But I mean, you can get gas in any gas station, Colin. It's the cold brew on tap for me. It's walking in there and having 37 different kinds of cold brew and you fill it up and you're on your way. It's been a beautiful partnership.
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