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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast - NBA All-Star Game, SNL 50th Anniversary, Rodgers Begged Jets To Keep Him, Kevin Durant’s Legacy
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Danny Parkins
The volume Our conversation with my friend Danny Parkins is presented by Uber Eats. You know I love them. Get game day deals all season long on UberEats. All right, here we go. Even though I am, yeah, on a little bit of a break, about a week break, 10 days, I thought, you know what, I got some time here. Danny Parkins, Co Host, Breakfast Ball stops in. We do this about once a month and we always just kind of spitball a variety of topics. So I'll start with this one. And it's an annual tradition. The All Star game in the NBA is fairly unwatchable. It has been for most of the last half decade. And people lament what is wrong with the league. I would say two things. First, All Star games, except maybe baseballs are all kind of dying. We see all these teams every night, these players. There is no special, ooh, a National League guy faces an American League guy, you know, interleague play. The second thing, and I would defend the NBA here and I've been critical of the league. I think it's become a kind of a monotonous three point shooting gallery. And that will end somewhere in the playoffs because mid range games and situational basketball and get a bucket really becomes playoff basketball. It becomes much more half court. It's not on the treadmill. People are defending at a higher level. You just sometimes need a mid range jumper to win the game. But the NBA, 11 years, $76 billion. Owners are happy, players are happy, commissioners happy. It's not their responsibility if the broadcast partner's overreached. So my take is a lot of the complainers don't like the NBA anyway. But the NBA, its owners, players and employees should be overjoyed right now with a new contract. And the All Star game is a raindrop in an 11 year rainstorm. It doesn't mean anything.
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Mel Reid
So the All Star game is a guilty sports pleasure of mine. Maybe my favorite childhood memory was I went to the All Star game in Cleveland in 1997 with my dad when the NBA celebrated the 50 greatest players of all time. And unbelievable stories that came out of the weekend. It was just, it was so cool for an 11 year old kid to be able to experience all that in the height of Michael Jordan mania. Kid from Chicago. So I, I love the All Star game. I love gambling on the dunk contest. I love the dunk contest. I loved Vince Carter. I loved Zach Levine against Aaron Gord. Him, like I always said it was like my guilty pleasure. The celebrity, the pomp, the circumstance, the ridiculousness of it. And there was a social contract that existed between the players and the fans. Those of us that did love was ridiculous. It was silly. There was, you know, Shaq would try to cross someone up and pull up for three. We did not expect high level basketball for four quarters. Go out, do your fun, don't get injured. We got all of it. But there was a social contract that basically then said, keep it close and give us 12 minutes of basketball. Give us, give us 12 minutes at the end. And in 2020, they upheld that social contract. The NBA All Star Game in Chicago. It was right after Kobe Bryant died. Team giannis against Team LeBron. Half the team was wearing Kobe's jersey number, half the guys were wearing Gianna's number. And I think because of that they also did the Elam ending and maybe some of the history of Chicago mattered. I have no idea. The game was 1:57, 1:55 and the fourth quarter was entertaining. That's all we want. Like I. I don't think I'm asking for a lot that I hear these guys on all of their podcasts, including Draymond's, he will talk about unbelievable pickup run that gets organized in LA in the off season. I see it on YouTube. Kevin Durant showing up at the Drew League or at Rucker park and just balling out with non NBA players and trying and playing hard. So I don't think it is too much to ask, does it matter? Does it affect the ratings or the. The drop in the bucket as you call it? No. But somewhere along the way the social contract was broken of just try for 12 minutes and manipulate the game to be close and play competitive pickup basketball. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask of gazillionaire athletes. I really don't.
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Danny Parkins
Some of what the NBA is going through, I always feel like, by the way, you get this in other businesses, if something happens, it happens in threes, you know, and the NBA is going through a run of, ooh, ratings news isn't good. And the NBA All Star Game is bad and nobody is watching. And I think they're going through this and I think a lot of it will be forgotten because I think the Knicks and the Celtics will play an unbelievable Eastern Conference finals and nobody will care. And I think Luka and, yeah, and Luka and LeBron will connect and the Lakers will get to the Western Conference finals and nobody will care. How much of this is. Listen, it's just the league's always been driven by aesthetics and right now the aesthetics aren't good. The game's a little monotonous. The NBA All Star game was ugly and boring. Some of this is just bad pr. It may not have no effect long term, but companies go through this. Nike's gone through it where just like bad comes in three. How much of it's that?
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Mel Reid
I think, I think a lot of it and. But I think that there's like two separate conversations that are happening on parallel tracks that can coexist and feel like they are in conflict with each other, but are not. To your point, this happens to a lot of businesses in a lot of industries. The business of basketball is objectively very healthy. The players have guaranteed contracts. The talent is insane. The contracts are locked in. The Charlotte franchise just went for billions of dollars. Like the league is healthy. That is the left parallel track. And then the right parallel track is those of us that watch, that love. The NBA can acknowledge regular season doesn't really matter. It's one of 82. Playoffs are a completely different sport. I just did the numbers on the show today on Breakfast Ball. There are five more threes being attempted this year than last year. And it's. That's just. Just one year. Now we're at 74.7 threes attempted per game on average. And you know what? That has led to more blowouts. Results that have been decided by 20 or more points than any other time in NBA history. Before the All Star break, there have already been 168 NBA games that have been decided by 20 or more points. And that makes sense. You're taking a high variance shot. One team has a good shooting night, one team is a bad shooting night. But three is worth more than two. So everyone is trying to hit threes. You have a hot night, the other team has a bad night, you get a blowout. That's not an entertaining product. So I feel like two things can be true. The product is healthy and the product is not at its best. Why are those two things necessarily in conflict?
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Danny Parkins
Listen, I. There. There. There are a lot of things. Steve Kerr pointed this out and it wasn't that long ago when he pointed out that a you. Basketball is not helping the product. It's not. It's tracksuit. Tony trying to, you know, make a livelihood of it. And the players don't benefit. And the European system is much better. That's part of it. I do think. I do think something that does help the NBA in the near future is the NIL will keep a lot of kids in college. One more year, a kid can make 4 million bucks at Duke or Carolina. Why go to a crappy team, you know, live on a college campus? I think that'll help because the one thing the NFL has always realized and lean into is college football is free marketing. I've said this before, like water's free medicine. College football is free marketing for the NFL. Adam Silver got into office and there was almost. They tried to marginalize college basketball. The players weren't getting paid. College football players don't get paid for three or four years and they get tackled like it's okay. Like, that's. I don't pay my interns on my show. That's just part of, you know, 16 to 20 years old or 19 years old. So I do think that will help the NBA. I think the NBA, the quality of basketball is good. I think the league is making a lot of money. I think NBC, probably out of somewhat desperation, overshot the Runway a little bit on that contract. I don't know how they make that work, but, you know, they're trying to make Peacock grow against Amazon and Netflix and Disney and all that stuff, so. But that's not an NBA issue. I do think college basketball is an ally. March Madness. I mean, good God. Caitlin Clark comes into the wnba. Her and Angel Reese are arguably the two most popular players.
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Mel Reid
Right. I. I think you and I talked baseball before on the show and not to, not to name drop, but Theo Epstein and I had a pretty good working relationship when he was in Chicago running the Cubs. And he's the smartest sports executive I've ever talk to, for sure. But Brad Stevens would be a close second. And Brad Stevens is not going to give up his job right now. But I do think that there would be something that the NBA would benefit from which. And Theo and I had this conversation on air and off air. When he ran the Cubs, his job was to exploit the rules in the interest of winning. His job was not to put the most entertaining product on the field. It was to win. So strikeouts were okay if you got a lot of walks and home runs. Three true outcome. And it was objectively not as entertaining of a product. The ball was in play less. There was more time between pitches. The games were interminably long. You would change pitchers every. Every batter. Seven, eight, nine pitchers would get into a game per team. But that was what the numbers said gave them the best chance to win. The same thing has happened in basketball with three is worth more than two. But I bring up the baseball point was because who spearheaded all of the rules changes? Yeah, Theo Epstein. As soon as he left the Cubs, he's like, well, I care about baseball, so I'm going to close the loopholes that I exploited. 3 batter minimum pitch clock bigger bases, things to incentivize the things that he had. And if he gets a job running the Nashville expansion team or a Vegas or whoever, he will then go right back to exploiting the rules to try to win. So someone should get in the league office and try to figure out because we've talked about it before. I don't know if it's making threes worth four and twos worth three. I don't know if it's making dunks worth three. I don't know if it's expanding the courts and making the three point line 25ft, 27ft, I don't know what the solution is. But as long as three is 50, 50% more than two and teams are trying to win, as long as those two things exist, you're not going to get less three pointers in the game unless you change rule or two or three. So that, that, that is just like the fundamental fact that what's fascinating to.
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Danny Parkins
Me and I've always really appreciated this is that it takes baseball and even the NBA a while to make changes. The NFL, which is a runaway leader in all these sports, is tweaking during Super Bowls. I mean they have such an underdog spirit. I mean they could so easily be arrogant like baseball and say for 20 years just we're going to do World series games at 8:50pm let's start them then. The super bowl is the opposite. They act like they're Division 2 hockey trying to get eyeballs. They will change rule and I think they'll change rules. I mean the super bowl with the Eagles and the Patriots, they changed the catch rule in the super bowl, suddenly juggled things. It was six, it was a touchdown. It's like, all right, no off season needed. They just changed it. So, and I think in the spirit, I've always defended the NFL. It's a really well run league. The kickoff was fine. Boring, but fine. Tweaked it, Pat was fine. Boring, tweaked it. The tush push I think they will ultimately examine because it's just not good. It's just boring. And again, people get all upset. Why are you punishing us? It's just the way life works. I mean the bottom line, if somebody takes an advantage and it hurts the quality of entertainment, leagues take it out. But I do think that when it comes to the NFL, we look at it and we go, well, it's popular because it's once a week. That helps. I'm not denying that. But they have so pulled away from the other sports and a lot of Danny I think is they really appreciate we are a television product. They're really, they really good at that.
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Mel Reid
Yes. And, and they mess up and then they undo their mess up. Remember the, the, the NFC championship game with the Saints with the bad pass interference call they made Pass interference reviewable. And I was like, oh, that's a terrible idea. And it, and it was, it was a terrible idea. But they walked it back basically immediately. So they like, they changed it too fast and then they're like, oh, we overreacted. And then they changed it right back. And now listen, NFL players don't like their commissioner. They don't trust their owners. They don't have guaranteed contracts. They kind of get ruled under, you know, an iron fist. And so there is a trade off to like, we're going to slow play some of these changes. We're going to empower players to have a voice in it and all that. The NFL does not care about any of that. They're like, no, no, no, you're doing it our way. These are the rules. And if you want to collectively bargain for less, practice in July, go right ahead. We care about the television product, but no, the NFL is king for a ton of reasons. And I'm with you. That is one of them. Again, you and I have talked about this before. You've got an in season tournament. They are changing the jerseys and the court. Change some rules. Just, just, just experiment with it. It's okay. I know they count in the regular season for the standings, but it's okay. It's one of 82. Like let's just see what it would look like for five games per team with no corner free. Let's just see it, right? I don't know what, I don't know what will happen. Let's just see it. Let's, let's. Floor has always been 96ft. Let's make it 106ft and make the three point line 25ft. Let's just, let's just see it for two weeks.
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Danny Parkins
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Danny Parkins
One of the things I like about change is you get an answer right. Like even if it's the wrong answer. General Schwarzkopf, the four star, five star general, talked about that at one point. He said, make decisions just to figure out if it's right or wrong. Like just inactivity. It's finger pointing, it's guessing. And he was talking about that in regards to military either exercises or moves. And I feel like sometimes, like when baseball, for instance, when Fox sold the regional sports networks, the Murdoch sold it, it's one of the smartest moves in the history of television. It was literally worth half as much the next day and basically worth nothing a month later and they made like 20 billion. But in a weird way, you look at it and think, man, it's really, it's really hurt. The small market teams, Kansas City and Pittsburgh, what it did though, it separated small from big teams. And now the Yankees, the Mets, the Dodgers, the Houston, the Braves. If you're not good as a big market team, you're just poorly run or poorly owned. Is that in the weird way? Baseball just had a great two years, ratings up, attendance up, and everybody's like, oh. And so like when you make moves and there's mergers and there's sales, there's a winner, there's a loser. But if you're baseball, if I'm Fox, I do not care about Kansas City. What I care about is my.
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Mel Reid
Yeah, you and, you and I disagree on this one, because I do, I, I, because again, I think that there, there is a breaking point of greed, that you still have to put a good product out there. And like, the World Series was great, no doubt. But I think that part of what makes the n the NFL awesome, maybe the number one thing. The number one thing is probably what you said. 18 game season, every game matters. That's probably the biggest thing. But like a 1B of that is that. What do you think? 28 of 32 teams, when they report for training camp, believe at the very least they can make the playoffs.
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Danny Parkins
Right, right. Right.
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Mel Reid
The right thing bounces their way and they can.
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Danny Parkins
NFL's the League of hope.
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Mel Reid
Yeah. Baseball is not like. Baseball has a serious problem, in my opinion, where a third of the league has no chance not only of being competitive, but of even, like, being relevant when school is out, when kids could go to the game. And then like, if you're Pittsburgh, okay, you got Paul Skeens. Your chances of signing him are almost zero. So, like, I, I do think that the haves and have nots of baseball has gotten too out of whack. I know you and I just disagree. Stars, big markets, TV ratings on the biggest games. I get all of that. And this is a juvenile argument. It's just lame that the Dodgers get everybody. Like, it's just, it's, it, it just, it's just lame. Like, it, it's like they, they get everybody because they happened to sign the last great RSN TV contract before the bubble burst. And like, don't get me wrong, they're run exceptionally well and they're a good organization, maybe the best organization. But it's just, it flies in the face of competitive spirit that they just get everybody because they lucked into a television contract based on timing. So I, you and I will disagree on that.
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Danny Parkins
And there are moments, like, for instance, I think you cannot legislate. Even College Football Playoff proved it. You can invite more teams in. Notre Dame plays Indiana. Game was over in four minutes. Right.
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Mel Reid
Like, you know, no doubt, no doubt. There's always going to be a have and have. Women's tennis.
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Danny Parkins
My entire life, there's been one or two tops globally. And Serena, she's just going to win all the big tournaments mostly. And I think, you know, if you go look at you go look at the German soccer leagues. You can go look at the English Premier League, the Italian soccer league, Spanish soccer league. It's always the same two teams. I mean, it just. I don't think. I think the reality of sports is we spend. I read this recently. Somebody said the NBA worries about problems that don't exist.
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Mel Reid
Like, they're worried.
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Danny Parkins
They said, let's cut the length of quarters. It's like nobody's really. Nobody cares. Yeah, that's. I think sometimes in sports, one of the things we really worry about is we're too caught up on parody. There is no parody in the afc. Josh Allen Mahomes and Lamar Jackson are going to keep winning their division because they have stable ownership and good enough coaches. And if Joe Burrow didn't have the cheapest owner in sports, he'd be in that group too. So the reality is, I mean, this year I predict almost, and I'll do again next year. I can predict the AFC for the next four or five years. It's just easy. NFC is more of a who's hot, who's less injured. But I think in baseball, the bigger danger when you have parody is ESPN's like, dropping out of baseball. Like, we're not interested. Apple contract was ridiculous. Roku thing was a mess. I mean, just nothing. If the big dogs are crushing, then the big network sign and then that filters down to some degree to Kansas City or Cleveland.
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Mel Reid
Yes. The problem is, unfortunately, we used to call them rich hobbyists. The dream is that the team, your team, is owned by Steve Cohen, who just doesn't care. He's like, I've got more billions than I can count. I do not care if I lose money on this baseball team. This is an ego play. This is a vanity purchase. There are more billionaires than there are baseball teams. I want to own one and I want to win. That's the greatest thing ever for a fan. So revenue sharing exists in baseball? Yeah, right. The Yankees and the Red Sox and the Mets and the Dodgers, they share money with the Pirates and the Rays and the Twins or whatever. And what is very frustrating to owners and business executives of teams like the Yankees and the Cubs is like, they don't spend the money like that. You know, the Pirates will just lay in the cut, Take their revenue sharing money and profit every year as opposed to like reinvesting into the business, breaking even and having your franchise value go up. That's at a minimum, what should be required of these billionaires. Spend the money that is generated by yourself.
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Danny Parkins
That to me that's the, the bigger issue. It's not, yeah, and that's a huge issue.
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Mel Reid
There are bad, there are not enough good owners.
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Danny Parkins
Not that the big guys are eating. The big guys eating college football, the afc, the, the big dogs eat everywhere. What you have to do is force like a minimum payroll. Like you could. You very easily, based on TV deals would know a minimum payroll and it goes up 6 to 8% a year. That, to me, is the bigger issue. I say this all the time to the people critical, the Dodgers. Everybody can do what they're doing with that money. Everybody can push it down the road. I mean, it's not like the Yankees are going to go dry in the next 12 years. The Dodgers are saying, basically, we'll push it down the road. We'll give you the money, by the way, we'll do all star teams. We'll win more. It'll help build our brand. We'll always going to fill this stadium. So I guess this is my conservative side, my Republican side coming out. Domination is unavoidable. There are just people that are more driven, more willful, more aspirational, hungrier, meaner, whatever it is. Like, you just have to come to terms with it. This is not Evergreen State College where it's the whimsical, idealistic professors dot the campus. We're dealing with billionaires and, and so some of them just have bigger egos and care more. And some of them are like, they're, it's a toy. It's a toy. You know, at a convention they can brag. And so I, I, I, I've come to terms with. And maybe it's because I grew up in the Pacific Northwest where I've lost my NBA team, my baseball team, never competitive. And the Huskies are good when they have the perfect coach. I've just come to terms with. You have to be satisfied if you can. If you have good coaching, decent ownership and you're viable, that may be as good as it's going to be. Because a third, no, a quarter of all these pro leagues have expanded to cities that can't compete. Memphis can't compete with la, Boston or New York or Philly. They can't. And everybody in the league knows it. But those owners wanted the expansion fee.
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Mel Reid
There's, there's definitely some truth to that. And to win in a market like that, it feels like you have to have light. And it's one year to draft Giannis, you have to draft Giannis at 50. You know, like, it's like, oh, yeah, that's how Milwaukee got their title. You drafted Giannis at 15. Okay, congratulations. Or Oklahoma City and have the best executive in the sport who for some reason apparently is just not interested in leaving. Like, Sam Brassy's like, no, no, no, I'm good. I'll just, I'll just live and work in Oklahoma City when any team in the league, if he was like, I want to come work for you, would give him a gazillion dollars and a penthouse apartment because he's clearly the best. And he's like, no, no, no, I'm good here. Like, so, like, Oklahoma City's got a shot as long as they've got that guy. But yes, most teams have a real inequity.
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Danny Parkins
One of the things I think being an NBA executive, so a lot of my Contacts are NFL GMs and scouting directors. And so I don't think people understand, you know, sga. Nobody predicted this. Sorry. Nobody did. Right. He was a good player. But correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't people think like Kevin Knox was going to be the better NBA?
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Mel Reid
Yeah, sga. SGA was a very polarizing draft prospect. Well, it's a real bad sga.
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Danny Parkins
But what's amazing about NBA executives is that, you know, college football executive, if you take out like Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, most kids stay in school for four years. I get so many pieces of game footage in big games. If you can't, I mean, if you're take out the COVID quarterback year where it just screwed up everything. I mean, seriously, just take the Trey Lance, Justin Fields kid for the Jets. Yeah, just take that job. We were all Jack Wilson. I mean, I remember that year, like Harbaugh basically shut down Michigan football. They were just egregiously bad. Belichick said, screw this, I don't care. Take that out. The, the hit rate on quarterbacks has gone up noticeably over the last six or seven years. And that's the hardest position for me because so much of its soul and toughness and leadership and intangible stuff that's hard to quantify. But these NBA execs, I mean, you're. You're going off, you're going off nothing. I mean, you can't do high school. You get. Basically you not only get like one year of college often, but the first 12 games are against like directional schools. You may in your conference. He may only face one other NBA power forward the whole year. And oh yeah, he's 19. Some players aren't emotionally equipped at that point. I'm amazed at the Hit rate in the NBA draft, which isn't very high. I think it's one of the things that we just don't understand. Like, what if you said, what's the hardest thing to do for any executive in any sport? NBA general managers are drafting 18 and 19 year olds. You ever thought about that?
- [34:49]
Mel Reid
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's crazy. It's. I think that it, what it is is that there is something to watching 10 guys on a basketball floor that isn't that overwhelming. Like. Like you and I can go to a game, a high school game. There can be an NBA prospect at the high school game and within what do you think, 90 seconds, we know who it is. I do think that there is something to the cuz there because there are so many people play basketball and so few play in the NBA. And then even the guys that are in the NBA, obviously there are guys that just ride the bench. Like, to be a standout basketball player, you have to be so unbelievably good. And I'm in football, it's like, oh, is that receiver the best deep ball receiver? But his offensive line sucked, so his quarterback never had time for the deep ball routes to develop or did the quarterback not have an arm to get it to him? Like, for the receiver to produce on the deep ball, the line has to do its job. The quarterback has to do its job. Like a lot of things have to happen. It's. It's very difficult to isolate and evaluate the individual performance within the concept of a team game in basketball. It's not that difficult to be like, oh, that's the best athlete, that's the best shooter. And, and. And then obviously you start separating degrees. But I think that, I think that that is a part of basketball that is just inherently.
- [36:28]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, it's like one of these music shows. I'm not a music exec, but I can tell like three notes in with Carrie Underwood, you're like, oh yeah, you could. That's on a label that you, you sell that.
- [36:38]
Mel Reid
Right? Right. There's so I think. So I think that there is. And by the way, also, what, two rounds of an NBA draft. 30 teams, 60 picks and like 15 per draft really do make it like the NBA draft is ridiculous. Like it's like we're drafting an international guy. It's a draft and stash for contract rights in 2032. Like it's, it's like what is happening? Like, but so there's all. There aren't. There are not enough good players because it is so hard to be as good as these NBA guys that you do really get to the point where you're drafting the spec. Which is why by the way though, that a guy like Presti is truly amazing. Like to, to be able to differentiate at that level and have hit after hit after hit, hit after hit. Even if they were top five picks, it is. He still picked the, I mean he still drafted James Harden like a lot of teams didn't he, he still drafted Russell Westbrook. Teams didn't. He still took sga. Teams didn't. Like there's a team out there that took Markel Fultz over Jason Tatum. Look, you know what I mean? Like, so even at the very top of the draft, teams do still mess up. So they deserve credit when they consistently get it right. But, but I think that that is the thing about basketball is that there is just a, there's an inherent. He's faster than everybody. He jumps higher than everybody.
- [38:10]
Danny Parkins
Zach Levine, when he was at Ballard High School in Washington State, he was really like his sophomore or junior tape, somebody said there's this kid in Ballard, you know, I'm from the state of Washington. So although, so I went on like YouTube or something and I'm like, holy, this is. This guy can hit threes. I mean just insane hops just didn't even make, you know, like 38 inch vertical is 16, 17 year old. What I think the harder part and you really never know this. I mean you wouldn't know this unless you room with somebody in college. You don't know the personality. I don't think Zach Levine necessarily wins games. I think in a possession by possession late in game sequence, he does things that drive me nuts. But he's also productive. I think that's something that not even Sam Presti knows is, does that talent manifest itself into being a great teammate, working hard, being great in circumstantial basketball, like that's where SGA is just a bucket. Like it's just, it's just whatever it is, his temperature lowers, like his heartbeat lowers. He's better. Whereas there are guys out there. Westbrook's a classic example. You have to draft him. He's just too talented. I'm not sure he's a winning player, but he is an audaciously gifted player. That's some of that I think comes down to luck like you. There's certain, like I, I, you know, it was obvious like Kobe Bryant apparently had the best workout Jerry west had ever seen. Jason Tatum was another kid that very early on he was way More mature than kids his age. Everybody was like, he just felt like a 32 year old man when he was like 19 at Duke. But I do think there's a lot of these kids that you, you know, Jalen Green, I watched him when he came in to Houston the first year. I'm like, yeah, he's talented, but he doesn't even understand how to play basketball. And then the second year you're like, oh, okay, that part, I think it takes great coaching, good jamming, that. That's where a good organization can help a guy.
- [40:09]
Mel Reid
No, no doubt. And so like just, I'll just use the Chicago example. Like, so DeMar DeRozan is, you know, a chip off the Kobe Bryant block. These legendary workouts. This great leader took guys under his wing, all that stuff. The Bulls drafted this kid, Patrick Williams out of Florida State with the fourth overall pick. Crazy talented, athletic, 3 and D style. Wing has all the given, God given ability in the world. And there was these big stories of like, man, this guy just floats and he's kind of aloof and like, he doesn't assert himself. So demar was like, I'm going to take him under my wing. I'm bringing him out to California for an offseason. He's doing my three workouts a day. He's going through like Demar boot camp and he's going to come back a changed guy. And apparently he went, he did the workouts and he came back and he was the same guy. Like, he's like, it just. He's not an assertive guy, but he's so talented. He got, he signed a $90 million contract. Patrick Williams will probably make $200 million playing basketball and never really make an impact or be dominant in any way. Failure. I don't know. He made 200. He'll make $200 million, but you don't have it. You don't have that dog thing. Zach, Zach Levine, unbelievably efficient offensive basketball player. He was an 18 year old kid in Minnesota with nobody to like, teach him how to be a pro. And then he went to Chicago where there was no one to really teach him how to be a pro. And he was like, I don't know, I'm making hundreds of millions of dollars. I signed the supermax, I've won the dunk contest, I've been in the three point contest. I've got a $30 million house in LA. Like, life's pretty good, right? If you're Zach Levine, like, how much does he really need to change because he's not Kobe Bryant. You know, I think that there is just something to these guys have. There's a. There's a little. They're all crazy talented, they all make an insane amount of money and then there's just that like psychotic gene that they don't all possess. And some organizations can scout it and some organizations can cultivate it, but most can't. And so that's the difference between the best and the other ones.
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Mel Reid
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Mel Reid
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Danny Parkins
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Danny Parkins
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Mel Reid
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Danny Parkins
Know what this is.
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Mel Reid
And now I definitely know what this is. This is so weird.
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Danny Parkins
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Mel Reid
Let's try this one.
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AJ Jacobs
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Danny Parkins
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Martin Luther King III
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Kyra K. Dixon
Winner and Kyra K. Dixon, NBC Sports reporter and host.
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Martin Luther King III
You forgot to say all my Miss America, by the way. And we've got a new podcast, Quiet Please with Mel and Kira.
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Kyra K. Dixon
We are bringing you spicy takes on sports and pop culture, some golf haps and interviews with incredible people who have figured out how to make golf their.
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Martin Luther King III
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Kyra K. Dixon
Yeah, it's actually life's cheat code and we're not going to be quiet about it on or off the course. We're bringing on some of our friends like Michelle We, Heather McMahon, Amanda Baliotis.
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Martin Luther King III
So if you want to keep up with us, and here is yap, tune into our new podcast, listen to Quiet.
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Kyra K. Dixon
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- [45:40]
Danny Parkins
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- [47:20]
Mel Reid
So I loved it. And I was never. So I'm kind of obsessed with comedy and I was actually never like, lock in and watch SNL every week guy. But I got a few thoughts on this. Anyone who is complaining about that show or criticizing that show, it strikes me as like so clueless and devoid of understanding of the entertainment business on any molecular level that you should have your rights to criticize and have opinions on things stripped from you. It was a remarkable accomplishment. Just the sheer amount of talent in the room, trying stuff people like, oh, that wasn't a funny sketch. It's sketch comedy. It's live sketch comedy. Like, bands get to rehearse songs and then perform them. Stand up comedians get to rehearse material and then perform it. This is, you get one shot to do it live. So they're not all going to be home runs. They're not all going to be the iconic bits. So anybody who ever is like, that was a bad episode or that was a bad sketch, you are inherently right, missing the point. Like, it's not, it's not about 100 success rate. It's. It's about shot attempts. It's about, you know, Lorne Michaels, he's like, the show's never ready. It just, it's 11:30. Like, that's the ethos of the show. So I think that like, that any criticism of it just strikes me as like not understanding what they are attempting to do. And then the cultivation, like we just talked about Sam Presti, like, what is even close in terms of an incubator of talent for second place to snl, maybe the Daily show, like, their run is pretty remarkable. Of people that came through under Jon Stewart, it's pretty incredible. But like the number of people over 50 years that superstars, mega, mega stars is. Lorne Michaels is like the greatest general manager in the history of general managers. I can't even think of anyone that is even close to him. And that should just carry such reverence. And I know people say Will Ferrell would have been Will Ferrell even without snl. Fine, maybe the talent was there. But like, would the Blues Brothers have happened? I don't know. They did a sketch. Belushi and Aykroyd got together.
- [50:10]
Danny Parkins
Chris Rock couldn't get on the air for like three years until he created, I think Nat X like many of the stars.
- [50:20]
Mel Reid
But Larry David, Larry David famously was a writer, couldn't get bits on, quit, then goes home, talks to his neighbor Kramer. He's like, just pretend like it never happened. Go in on Monday, he goes in on Monday, pretends like it never happens, gets his job back, still doesn't really get anything on the air. Leaves the show and creates Seinfeld and writes that bit into Seinfeld like it is. They have misses. They didn't cast Jim Carrey. You know what I mean? They have misses. But the sheer volume is incredible. And I just. When you watch watch the Adam Sandler.
- [51:06]
Danny Parkins
I did song.
- [51:09]
Mel Reid
It was so good. It was so beautiful. And there is something to and, and this isn't kissing your ass or whatever, I guess it is. But like you're kind of like this. Like you are at the top of the mountain. You have success, companies, radio, tv, money, fame and all of it. You could just retire to an island and stop. But you still do 200 something shows a year and are creative and churning out a bunch of stuff. Adam Sandler is worth a gazillion dollars. He's worth a gazillion dollars. And so people are like, oh, he makes dumb movies. He also makes like, there's probably no one comedically in my life more influential than Adam Sandler. His comedy albums were unbelievable. And then his first four comedies are Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, and I'm blanking on another absolute mega one, whatever it was.
- [52:14]
Danny Parkins
Bob Barker, Golf.
- [52:16]
Mel Reid
Yeah, Happy Gilmore. If I didn't say Happy Gilmore. Yeah, Happy Gilmore, he's just, it's an unbelievable thing. And I went and saw him do a standup show 18 months ago when he sold out the United Center. Fifteen new songs, they weren't all hits, but like Adam Sandler, that means that that guy is grinding and writing 15 new songs. He doesn't need to be doing that. And are they all hits? No. But his Chris Farley song is one of the most beautiful comedic things I've seen in the last 10 years. His phone Wallet, Keys song, you think about it every time you look for your phone, wallet and keys. Like that song at SNL50 is going to resonate. His song that he did for his monologue after getting fired was iconic and it's like a gazillion views on YouTube. Like these guys and women obviously are so 1% of 1% talented and still driven that that any criticism, and I know I'm rambling, but it just, it really bothers me. Instead of just appreciating and marveling at.
- [53:26]
Danny Parkins
The greatness, remember, comedy critics like you appreciate the swings and even the misses. The people criticizing Saturday Night Live are, it's A lot of the don't get it crowd or they feel they're being marginal, then they have a right to an opinion. But I do think, I always think it's the silliest thing when, you know, in our business, the media critics, I just don't have a lot of time or patience for listening to a football broadcast and not liking what an announcer says in the third quarter on a fumble. Do you understand how hard it is to say 300 things each 12 seconds and they all be brilliant? If you can hit 80%, you're just, you know, Troy Aikman. Troy aikman hits on 70, 80%, that is as good as you can do. And he's been doing it for 20 years. He's great at it. And so it's. And I. And I think one of the things about art, people forget this about Marlon Brando. Marlon Brando had. He had like seven legendary movies. He had all sorts of bombs. That's the spirit of being an artist. One of the. I mean, I think most comedians think Norm MacDonald is one of the truest, most authentic standup acts of our lifetime. I mean, revered when he passed away, like it, really it. And I think Gary Shandling had that as well. Shandling. If you go look at Shandling's diary, he had so much self doubt sometimes. Maybe it was self loathing, whatever it is, in therapy forever. And I think the great comedians, I mean, Will Ferrell, I've watched five or six of his movies. I think he's probably the most dynamic, even more so than Belushi. I think he's the most dynamic comedic presence on Saturday Night Live. And I think even his stuff, like people don't give the hot tub when he's a college professor. It's one of the grossest, cringiest things. And one of the. My wife and I used to talk in that language for about two years. We could not stop laughing. It was so gross and cringy. That doesn't even get talked about. It's jeopardy. It's the cheerleader. And I think one of the things, what you appreciate about it is I think what most writers who cover comedy. John Mulaney performed at the United Center. I read the next day the newspaper article, a little too critical for my taste. But he took you through a journey of what it all meant. And the rehab stories. I think comedy critics mostly land on your side, which you owe it to the industry to take just audacious swings. And I mean, Norm MacDonald bombed regularly at the Laugh Factory in La Hoya. It just all the time loved it.
- [56:15]
Mel Reid
And he loved it and he loved it and that, and that's the act of it. And these, these people don't need to be doing it. And they, but they, it's just in their blood. It's just like who they are. They love it.
- [56:30]
Danny Parkins
Remember when ESPN came out with ESPN the phone, George Bodenheimer and it, and it lost 50 million and I defended George and I said timeout. If it would have hit, it would have been a hundred billion dollar hit. It was a $50 million loss. That is, that's a rounding error. At that time, ESPN was making 8.5 billion annually. When you're an industry leader, when you're Will Ferrell or Jim Carrey in his prime, you owe it not just to yourself, to the industry to take big effing swings.
- [57:09]
Mel Reid
Amen. Amen. And so I, I, I just, I'm not, I'm not saying that there should be no consequences or that there aren't. I don't have my preferences or that bits don't miss or, or whatever. Like, and like you said, everyone has a right to an opinion. But I just don't know how you could watch a three hour show that opens with Sabrina Carpenter and Paul Simon like bridging that level of time and then goes into Steve Martin and John Mulaney doing a co monologue, then having Bill Murray sit at the Weekend Update desk and have Jerry Seinfeld and Julia Louis Dreyfus in the crowd with Larry David and then watching Eddie Murphy do Tracy Morgan next to Tracy Morgan. It is so goddamn funny. And then just be like sitting there on your couch being like, not good enough. It's just insane. It's an insane opinion to have. And I just, I just, they should be revered. It should, it should be. And I know it is. So I'm, this isn't like some sort of like wild stance that I'm taking, but there's just nothing else like it. And the, the sheer volume of swings, it almost doesn't matter how many hits or misses they have. It's just the sheer volume.
- [58:39]
Danny Parkins
I think, I think artists are different than us. I think they, they have different brain types than accountants. I don't want my, I don't want my accountant taking lsd. I understand that may be part. Ayahuasca is absolutely part of Judd Apatow's voyage. Absolutely.
- [59:00]
Mel Reid
I mean, Neil Brennan, co creator of Chappelle Show. Absolutely. I mean he talks about Ayahuasca all the time. Three mics. Unbelievably Brilliant special blocks. Incredible follow up special. Like, yeah, I'm glad that that guy does hallucinogenic drugs. Yeah, I'm really glad. Like, it's led to some pretty incredible comedic discoveries and breakthroughs.
- [59:25]
Danny Parkins
I think I almost, I wish people could appreciate people this idea of perfection. I was doing a podcast the other day for a friend and he asked me about my show and I said, you know, I said my goal isn't perfection, it's perspective. I'm not looking to be perfect. I'm taking swings. I think I just owe it to the audience to be entertaining and have. Aaron Rodgers is going to the Rams and Stafford's going to the Giants. And I think this is better than a 5050 shot. If you and I talked about that at the bar, people would lean in. Like, really? That's fascinating. That's interesting. And so I think, and maybe this has happened my entire life, or maybe I just hope that artists aren't dissuaded from doing great work because the criticism now is so urgent, it's so vile and it's so accessible. And it's like, folks, you don't understand. Like, I went and watched John Mulaney in Chicago, Sebastian Manikowsko. Those nights are one offs. I mean, my wife bought me seats to John Mulaney. I will remember that until I die. It was that, that good of a show. And don't dissuade artists from taking swings. I think that's. This goes back to the very, the very point is, you know, I wish Jim Carrey would do more. I wish he wasn't so reclusive. I wish he would do more.
- [60:58]
Mel Reid
Of course, I mean, in, in 1994, Jim Carrey gave us Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura and the Mask one year. It's the most incredible comedic year ever. And like, and then he's just like, yeah, I'm. I'm gonna do the Truman Show. I'm gonna do man on the Moon. And by the way, both, yeah, awesome. Man on the Moon. If you haven't seen the documentary Jim and Andy or whatever, whatever the documentary is called, about how Jim Carrey, like immersed himself in becoming Andy Kaufman, that is 90 minutes well spent. Like, talk about creative genius and artists. But yeah, these guys. And by the way, like, we were talking about the ratings of the NBA. The ratings of SNL are still remarkable. Like it. For, for Saturday night. Like that, that thing. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe they're out. I probably could have figured it out. My guess is that will be the most watched thing on American television in 2025. That isn't football like some football will beat it. But I, I my guess is that SNL50 will outrate any World Series game, any political speech, any NBA finals game, college football national championship will beat it. Obviously a bunch of NFL will beat it. But my guess is that that rating will be the biggest non football event.
- [62:26]
Danny Parkins
Of the year and that and for.
- [62:28]
Mel Reid
Them to still have that kind of cultural influence influence 50 years in is just insane. Just insane.
- [62:39]
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Danny Parkins
Welcome to my Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife Andrea Waters King and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilburger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
- [63:07]
Colin Cowherd
Each week we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter and their plus one, their ride or Die as they share stories never heard before about their remarkable journey.
- [63:23]
Danny Parkins
Listen to my legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is my legacy.
- [63:32]
Mel Reid
Something about Mary Poppins?
- [63:34]
AJ Jacobs
Something about Mary Poppins? Exactly.
- [63:36]
Mel Reid
Oh man, this is fun.
- [63:38]
AJ Jacobs
I'm AJ Jacobs and I am an author and a journalist and I tend to get obsessed with stuff and my current obsession is puzzles and that has given birth to my podcast the Puzzler Duressing Blessing.
- [63:55]
Danny Parkins
French dressing.
- [63:56]
AJ Jacobs
Exactly.
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Danny Parkins
Oh, that's good.
- [64:01]
AJ Jacobs
Now you can get your daily puzzle nuggets delivered straight to your ears.
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Mel Reid
I thought to myself, I bet I.
- [64:07]
Danny Parkins
Know what this is.
- [64:08]
Mel Reid
And now I definitely know what this is. This is so weird.
- [64:11]
Danny Parkins
This is fun.
- [64:12]
Mel Reid
Let's try this one.
- [64:14]
AJ Jacobs
Our brand new season features special guests like Chuck Bryant, Mayim Bialik, Julie Bowen, Sam Sanders, Joseph Gordon Levitt and lots more. Listen to the Puzzler every day on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [64:32]
Danny Parkins
That's awful and I should have seen it coming.
- [64:38]
Martin Luther King III
Hey, this is Mel Reid, LPGA Tour winner and six time Ladies European Tour.
- [64:42]
Kyra K. Dixon
Winner and Kyra K. Dixon, NBC Sports reporter and host.
- [64:46]
Martin Luther King III
You forgot to say all my Miss America by the way. And we've got a new podcast, Quiet please.
- [64:51]
Kyra K. Dixon
With Mel and Kira, we are bringing you spicy takes on sports and pop culture, some golf haps and interviews with incredible people who have figured out how to make golf their superpower or just.
- [65:02]
Martin Luther King III
People we like, plus tales from the road and everything in between. By the way, golf isn't just for the dads, brads and chads.
- [65:08]
Kyra K. Dixon
Yeah, it's actually life's cheat code. And we're not going to be quiet about it on or off the course. We're bringing on some of our friends like Michelle, we, Heather McMahon, Amanda Baliotis.
- [65:18]
Martin Luther King III
So if you want to keep up with us, and here is yap, tune into our new podcast, Listen to Quiet.
- [65:23]
Kyra K. Dixon
Please with Mel and Kira, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
- [65:41]
Danny Parkins
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Mel Reid
So so so so I don't so Albert Greer then reported that Aaron wanted to stay, wanted and indicated that he wants to keep playing but that he was not he did not present it like that. He was begging. Rogers doesn't strike me as a guy that would get down on one knee and beg the new jets for employment. So I didn't by the behind the paywall New York Post story that said it was like a man walking himself to the gallows referencing Ayahuasca. It was like very New York Postie and so I was like I I took it with a little bit of a grain of salt. What I do think is true is that Rogers probably went to that meeting and stated his case. I was hurt at the beginning of the year. I played much better at the at the end of the year and what's your plan? If not ne then who? And they probably don't have a great answer for that right now. So I'm I bet he stated his case. I still struggle to find a team that makes more sense for Rogers than Pittsburgh. People keep saying Minnesota aren't they going to try J.J. mcCarthy?
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Danny Parkins
They are.
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Mel Reid
They traded up in the first round of drafting and if if they think that they got a great season seasons out of Kirk Cousins and then a great season out of Sam Darnold, I would have to imagine that they think that the guy that they picked they can get a great season out of.
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Danny Parkins
For very key it's time to look at this week's tastiest matchup brought to you by Uber Eats. I want to quickly segue to this. I don't want to spend too much time on Aaron. So there was a story that Jason McIntyre deserves credit. He talked about it like four days before anybody else did Stafford to the Giants and I made two calls on it and it was a real thing. It's it's now Stafford may just want a new deal and an influx of money from the Rams. That's probably it. The idea of going from Stan Kroenke and Sean McVay in indoor football to the Giants facing Philadelphia twice a year and Jaden Daniels does not feel appealing to me. Just chaos to non chaos. The Rams are a really well run ship but it was interesting so when I proposed that it was amazing and again it's fans. So how many People said you cannot give up a first round pick for Matt Stafford. And I'm like, time out.
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Mel Reid
You definitely can.
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Danny Parkins
It is a weak draft. You've been unwatchable for a decade. Like you're the GM of the Giants. I press you into a corner. What would you give up for Matt Stafford in a weak draft?
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Mel Reid
Yeah, I mean, I would try to make it next year's first round pick.
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Danny Parkins
You got to give up something. I'm not going to let you get away with that. You got to give me something this year.
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Mel Reid
Yeah. Then, I mean, listen, I, I still think Stafford's an arguably top five quarterback in the NFL. I think there's a big, like, I think there's a big four. And then like Matt Stafford, everyone was immediately like, jaden Daniels is the best quarterback in the nfc. And I was like, I don't know. I think I'll still take the 35 year old gunslinger like personal to win a game tomorrow. I'll, I'll take, I'll still take Stafford over Jaden Daniels though. Jaden's amazing. So, yeah, I think that if the Rams were open for business, they would get a first round pick from S. Stafford, even at his age.
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Danny Parkins
Even though you'd have to read redo the deal like it's, he's just too damn good in a league now that is all about the quarterback.
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Mel Reid
Yeah. And it's the type of thing that you don't go into it blind. Like you'd be his agent would be given permission to talk to the team. Hey, are you playing? You know you're not retiring next year, right? No. You're playing multiple years. Okay, cool. Yeah. And as long as they have a guarantee that Matt Stafford would sign a contract extension, rework the deal to your point and play multiple years, I do think that he would get a first round pick. He's awesome. He's awesome. I, I don't really get why the Rams would want to be out of the Matt Stafford business though. Like I, I watched your segment so, and like I, I personally would put up with his wife saying goofy things and he's Matt Stafford.
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Danny Parkins
I think what the Rams are looking at some of that public Cooper Cup Stafford. The Rams felt a bit bullied in social media. The wife Cooper cup, it's like, guys, we're really good, we're really good owners. We're good people here. Don't go public. So I think that's part of it. I think the other thing you have to look at is take Stafford out. Who are the pocket quarterbacks? That you really think can win a Super bowl over the next 10 years, Goff. And that's mostly because of the O line, really of Detroit. The O line is so suffocating. It could, it could move the ball against Philadelphia's D line. The truth is, I think. And they're also looking at. We don't. We. Matt wants four years, they'd give him two. So I think it's. They want Matt Stafford. But I do think rent a quarterback for a year because next year's quarterback class is much better. Is Aaron Rodgers. I think Aaron, if you go to Aaron's last 10 games in New York with at that point arguably the worst coaching staff, not in Chicago, in the league, it was the worst coaching staff and he put up like really decent numbers the last 10 games. My take is with McVeigh, if you could hold those numbers for a year, two year deal, we draft a quarterback. And I also think Aaron has been humbled. I think, I think he'd come live in Malibu and be like, this is a gift. I'm taking this gift.
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Mel Reid
Oh, listen, I, I have no issue with understanding why Aaron Rodgers would want to play in LA for Sean McVey. That's not a, that's not a leap. My thing is if I'm Sean McVeigh, I think Matt Stafford is better than Aaron Rodgers. He is at, at this stage. I, I just don't get why the Rams would want to be out of the Stafford business to get into the Rogers business. Like if, if Matt Stafford forced a trade or retired or whatever then like, okay, we can have that conversation. But I just, I get to me every. All these teams that people are throwing out for Rogers like the Niners, the Vikings, the Rams. Yeah, that all sounds great for Aaron. I think it's much more likely that it's going to be like Vegas, Tennessee, nobody. Like, I think that, that that's where it's going to be like, is he going to just play to play and grind out six wins or. I don't, I don't believe that a Super bowl contender is calling Aaron Rodgers. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I don't, I don't believe that a Super bowl contender is ready for him.
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Danny Parkins
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Mel Reid
I think that that tracks. I know a lot of Democrats who are pretty neurotic. Yeah, you're talking to one of them. Yeah, I, I, I think that that tracks completely across the board. And listen, I don't know. I spend an above average amount of time online. I assume this is your soft launch for your candidacy because isn't that America just needs to know you, you just need to be like a rich radical centrist that gives hot sports takes and then all of a sudden you're, you're in. Right. Let's go. Forget Stephen A. Smith.
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Danny Parkins
No.
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Mel Reid
Colin Coward, 28. Bring analogies to the White House.
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Danny Parkins
I have no interest in it, but one of the reasons I love this podcast is I just throw these half baked ideas out. And I told my wife, I said, Jesus, eventually all these changes are going to scare some people off and they're going to go back to moderates or left. They're just, this is too much activity for most Americans. They don't like it. A lot of Americans who are being displaced, maybe conservatives, they're not all liberals at usaid.
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Mel Reid
Yeah, the story of like, I voted for Trump and now I lost my job. Like, yeah, no shit. Like, like, like, do people like that? I'm not saying like, you deserve it. That's not my point at all. My point was like, he doesn't strike me as someone that's like doing this with like a fine tooth comb. And it's like, like the point is chaos and disruption and throwing so much stuff against the wall that it's like a moving target and what am I supposed to focus on? And that's the, that's the point of it. He's not, he's not really making a bunch of discernments of like this person and this government agency happened to vote for me. Like, there was just a story I was just reading that was like, they had to undo some firings because it was a bunch of people who worked at like a nuclear test site. They're like, we can't fire the safety guy at the nuclear test. Good, I'm glad that you caught that one. So, so, yeah, I am not, I'm not interested in this next wave of stories of like, I voted for Donald Trump and then I lost my job. Like, he doesn't give a shit. He won. He, he won.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. So just my whole theory is basically Democrats, yeah, they struggle. They're, they're, they tend to be introspective. They tend to be a little more insecure. A lot of Their life backgrounds, they weren't in control. So when you, when you lose more control, it is really off putting. And it, it throws you into this dark hole of despair.
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Mel Reid
Yeah, and. And listen, I mean, it's, it's talking politics is whatever, but I'll do it with you. You brought it up. Democrats try to be all things to all people. Got a very wide net, you know what I mean? Like. Like LGBT minorities, women's rights, all incredibly valuable, worthwhile causes. It's a little bit more complicated when there's two teams and you're trying to be like the thing to the all things to all people, and the other side's just like, I don't know, let's just bulldoze the whole thing. Like, you know, that's like an overly simplistic, reductive way of looking at it. But like, yeah, they could probably just be like, we just need a better candidate. And Democrats are like, who did we offend? And who's the Joe. Who's the Joe Rogan of the left? And like, they're out. Should we have. Should we have done Call her Daddy? It's like, shut up. Just. Just get a better candidate. Just get a better candidate.
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Danny Parkins
That's exactly my point. We. We come all the way around and that's it. Just get a better candidate and you'll be fine.
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Mel Reid
Yeah, yeah. And in two years, they'll probably run Hillary.
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Danny Parkins
Oh, Jesus. Oh, boy. Okay, I want to end it on this. I. I made. I made the argument. There are. There are two types of artists. Gordon Ramsay, Jay Z, LeBron, where there's artistic interpretation or artistic talent, but they're very good businessman. They can compartmentalize. And then there's the artist on the other side who is just all artist and cancels the tour and sues Ticketmaster and is, you know, it can struggle with bandmates. And then there's, you know, the other side. There's two types of artists. And that LeBron is very much in the. Gordon Ramsay, Jay Z, Bono, Mick Jagger. I'm not a businessman. I'm a businessman. Kevin Durant is sort of the wandering artist, independent to a fault. It's not about championships, it's about being the best. You and I don't. And in a way, I think he somewhat tanked his career because at 30, there was an argument he was better than LeBron. And now he's viewed as somebody who just can make baskets. And that's about it. Your thought, where do you. How do you. Because I really love watching kd and I think he's such a unique all time player. I've argued if you did a one on one tournament in league history, I'd take him over Michael. I think he's unstoppable at 6:11. Just literally unstoppable. Michael would miss just if it was make it take it. Mike would miss once and Durant would just keep scoring. How do you view Durant?
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Mel Reid
Yeah, Durant is one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the sport. Like a true basketball genius in terms of putting the ball in the, in the hole. Right. Like that's the objective of the game. There are very few people in the history of the sport whose offensive arsenal you would take over him. I agree with him that too much of basketball discourse has become rings culture dominant. That we talk basketball basically three ways we talk about rings and championships, transactions, trades, free agency, guys forcing their way out, the disgruntled superstar, and then the social media drama beef stuff. We're not doing a lot of like how a team defends the pick and roll. Right. That's not like a lot of mainstream basketball conversation. So like that media criticism I think is a valid one and he decries it. But there is also just some truth that not all rings are created equal. That guy didn't have any rings and then he did a thing that is allowed that you could say that we bear some responsibility for because we said if you don't win a ring, you're Charles Barkley or you're Dan Marino and we mock you for it. And then we moved the goalpost on him and then we mocked him for what he did. But joining up with that warriors team was weak. It was just, it just flew in this in the face of competitiveness. It goes back to my Dodgers point from earlier. I understand why it happens. I get that it's a have and a have not world. It does not mean that I have to like it. Like Giannis's one in Milwaukee means a hell of a lot more than Durant's two in Golden State. Sorry, they. It just does. And so if Durant would have won at Oklahoma City, we would look at him so different even if he just had the one. We would look at him as Joker or Giannis. These guys that were singular entity, forces of nature who didn't have the institutional advantage of the historic franchise and the warm weather market and the free agent destination and built the team the quote unquote right way. And his legacy would be beyond reproach. It'd be perfect if he would have won in Oklahoma City. But as soon as he went to Golden State and won these titles, that felt cheap and that they flew in the face of competitive spirit, tanked his legacy. Okay, he would hate that phrase, but I can't really have a problem with it because it was a, it was a move that just flew in the face of, of competitiveness.
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Danny Parkins
Okay, but let me throw this. Let me be devil's.
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Mel Reid
It did feel fair.
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Danny Parkins
Let me, let me be a devil's advocate. Does it feel fair? Let's say you're an Ohio sports fan and you're like, man, I. That is so weak what Kevin Durant did. And I would be like, oh, Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Smith and all your great players. Don't they go to where they'll have a competitive advantage over Purdue? Like, the NIL is not just a money grab for the best players. It's like, I want to go to a team that's already stacked.
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Mel Reid
No, no, no doubt. And I don't have much of an argument against it, except in the history of the NBA, that's not what we celebrated. Like, it turned the Heat into supervillains. And there was a historic pay jump when that in that cba, that at that off season one time every team in the league could afford a max player and he just chose. So he's like, you choose the 70 win team. Like it just, again, this is a reductive. It's just lame.
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Danny Parkins
You know what?
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Mel Reid
It's just lame.
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Danny Parkins
I always felt Kevin Durant, people preached to him loyalty and he watched the Sonics moved Oklahoma City. So in the back, so in the back of his mind was, this is all about the green. And then when Russell Westbrook would eat up the shot clock and get him the ball late, he and the, and the organization, actually Westbrook was, you know, the better athlete. They weren't going to bail on Westbrook. And I think some of it, I defend Kevin because I think he went, okay, I got drafted by Seattle. Now I'm playing in Oklahoma City and you have a point guard who can't get me the ball until the end of the shot clock. And so if I'm going to move, I'm not moving to a crappy team in a crappy city. I'm going to the Bay. Joe Lab and Steph Curry.
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Mel Reid
Yeah, again, I, I get it. And the team was an unfair cheat code and he won and he got his rings. But it would have meant more if he would have won in Brooklyn or Phoenix or Oklahoma City. I don't, I, I don't make the Rules. I just enforce them. Man do. I mean. Right. Every title is not the same. You agree with that? Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
I mean, the Lakers Covid title doesn't feel like the Celtics last year could. Yeah.
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Mel Reid
But also like I just. In terms of y. Yanis's Milwaukee title is a. Call it this call again, immature. That is a pure title. Drafted by the team 15th overall. Chris Middleton is the running mate and he has one of the three greatest game seven, you know, championship closeout performances ever in NBA history where he drops 50 and he wins a title. That one thing is more sports pure than LeBron in the heat. Doesn't mean LeBron in the heat isn't a better team. Doesn't mean it wasn't more exciting. Doesn't mean it wasn't better business. Doesn't mean I would not want to go to south beach and play with my friends. But like Giannis's title in Milwaukee is just. It's special. It just means a little bit more in history. Jokers in Denver. It just means a little bit more.
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Danny Parkins
That's fair.
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Mel Reid
I just, it just, I just. I think we all kind of know that. We just, you know, we don't, we don't like to admit it. It doesn't feel fair.
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Danny Parkins
Well, that's why we all. I, I think.
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Mel Reid
But we just, we just, we just know it to be true.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. I think if the Knicks won, being able to make a deal and really steal Jalen Brunson is make a deal, a risky deal to get Carl Anthony Towns and then Mikhail Bridges and give up a lot. I, I do think like the Knicks title would. I don't think they match up well with Boston at all. Boston offensively just attacks Carl Anthony Towns and Brunson. But I think what. One of the reasons that the Knicks are so likable is that, you know, Carl Anthony Towns has had a lot of failures and Jalen Brunson's a nova guy, a second rounder there. I think there is value to. There are certain teams that are much easier to root for. And I don't think the Heatles or most Laker teams are terribly easy to root for.
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Mel Reid
LeBron's Cleveland title means more than his LA title or his Miami title.
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Danny Parkins
Clear.
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Mel Reid
We all, we all know that. We all just know that to be true. And there's a reason for it. Hometown kid. He was an underdog in the Finals. Led both teams in all fives. I mean, that's the greatest NBA Finals performance ever. Like that. That is. That is. You could. I would make the argument that that is the most impressive NBA title ever. The one that LeBron won in Cleveland over Golden State.
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Danny Parkins
Funny thing about, like, there's funny thing.
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Mel Reid
There is a ranking.
- [91:36]
Danny Parkins
The funny thing about that finalist. Six of those games were blowouts. And then game seven was magical.
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Mel Reid
It's like game seven was magic.
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Danny Parkins
It's like, it's like an average movie with a great 12 minutes to cap it off, no doubt.
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Mel Reid
But the accomplishment was amazing. Like, what the trophy represented was like, holy. Like, he, he went home. He won. He won as an underdog. He beat the super team. He led in all five categories gave. It was unbelievable. It's one of the greatest things I've ever seen in sports.
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Danny Parkins
Danny Parkins Breakfast Ball we fired through an hour, hour, hour 15. We gave you a little bit of everything. We, we kind of go all over the board. But I sometimes I just need this. It's therapeutic.
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Mel Reid
I love it. I love talking with you. I love picking your brain. Good stuff, man.
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Danny Parkins
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