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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Nick Wright: Can OKC Become A Dynasty? Caitlin Clark’s “Supernova” Fame, Are The Chiefs “America’s Team”?
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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
Foreign.
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Unknown Speaker
Nick Wright we get them about once every three or four weeks and I always love it. So I, I, you know, on television I got about 12 minutes and I can't, you know, extrapolate. You know, I can't go into too much detail. But I was thinking about this today when I was taking the train home. Which yeah, I do now. Take the train home every day. Yeah, I do.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow. Good for you, buddy.
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Unknown Speaker
One of the people.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, man of the people. It's what everyone's always said about you.
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Unknown Speaker
So there's a knock on SGA and I've said this. He's not a lot of fun to watch, but it's interesting. I went back to like George Mikin and if you go back, take LeBron, Michael Jordan and Kobe out. They are hyper athletic. They are among NBA players, insane. And what I'm going to mention to you are the leaders of dynasties and the leaders of champions. George Mikan, Havel Chacuzzi, Moses Malone, Dumars, Isaiah, Akeem, Bird McHale, Magic, Kareem Duncan, Tony Parker, Steph Draymond, Jokic, Murray SGA, Dirk Luka, separately, Katie Harden, Bill Walton, Rick Barry, Wes Unseld, Gus Williams. You start going from the 60s on. It is remarkable how often the hyper athletic player, the Shawn Kemp, the Drexler, the Neek doesn't win titles. We are fascinated with them. But it's the foundational player. It's the player that gives you 28 and plays on both ends. And so I think the league's history doesn't favor ant. It favors SGA who is a. I said this today. SGA averages 33 a night because he scores 33 a night. Ant averages 25 because he scores 39 and then 19 and the oh and.
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Colin Cowherd
When there's a consistency with SGA for.
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Unknown Speaker
Sure and Duncan and Havalchek and akeem now again LeBron, Kobe, MJ, take them off the board. But most of our great dynasties and teams have been about really great coaching and at times kind of a boring, efficient. I mean, isn't Jason Tatum closer to SGA than Ant? Is he not?
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Colin Cowherd
No. Tatum might be, but I'm going to push back here because you, I don't think intentionally, but you left out Bill Russell who won 11 and while he wasn't flashy was either the best or the second best athlete of his era. And that when I say best or set. Well, he was second best because Wilt Chamberlain was there now he only won two. You did not include Dr. J who only won one in the N B A but dominated in the ABA. And then of course there is the 10 between Michael and LeBron that are like so. And there's 10 right there. I think that Ant is being. So here's, here's. I think an odd take, but I believe it to be true. I think to the audience Ant and SGA feel like they're the same age even though SGA is almost four years old. That's because it feels like they have both, they have both been on like fringe contender to wait, legitimate contender to wait, real expectations the same amount of time. So the fact that Ant 23 and SGA soon will be 27, we like people are shocked when they know like SGA older than Luca. Like that doesn't feel right because Luca was a prominent star immediately. So I think there is a little too much and maybe Ant skepticism right now because he hasn't now in back to back conference finals come through. But he's. It was a testament to him that they got to these conference finals and at 23, SGA wasn't anything close to an MVP candidate himself.
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Unknown Speaker
You know what he is? He's Lamar Jackson the first couple of years before Lamar like Mahomes admitted in year three. Okay, I'm good on the pre snap stuff now. At one point you're just being an athlete. And then Mahomes goes, yeah, middle of year three it slowed down and I could see stuff before it happened but it and Mahomes is cognitively really quick and Russell Wilson admits and Brady admits and that Ant is sort of the great young athlete quarterback now Jaden Daniels total outlier. It's like he's got it down now but it's like Ant's the quarterback. Like man, wait until he's great priest now.
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Colin Cowherd
Wait until I know what I'm doing. Wait until I actually know what I'm doing. And so no I and listen and obviously also has some maturing to do I think on and off the court. But he's 23 and I think Shay is, you know, kind of wise beyond his youth be the way he talks. And yeah I so here is I I thought Shea was very clearly league's MVP this year. I until the Lakers traded for Luca I thought pretty clearly all year Oklahoma City was the best team. I once the Lakers traded for Luka I thought they could beat them. But I the moment the Lakers got knocked out I said I thought Oklahoma City was going to win it. And in my opinion Game 4 against the Timberwolves they won the championship. Like I think that I think this NBA season I'm so excited for it. But the deciding event has happened. I think the Thunder are going to win the title. The SGA stuff that where people push back is it feels like he some of the flopping about and foul stuff is unnecessary and it's just something guys have. We have seen other MVPs Embiid and most notably Harden do this stuff. Nobody ever likes that. Like that's not picking on sga. That is it's something people don't like. And people come back to me with well Nick, you love Luca. Luca does not flop. Luca Wines, Luca, if he gets a call, he's angry he didn't get it sooner. If he doesn't get a call, he's furious. But he is trying to finish through contact. Shay is being a little cageier. He almost never winds but he doesn't need to because he's getting the calls. But listen he is a great, great player and they're going to win 84 games this year, maybe lose less than 20 and he's going to average north of 30 throughout. It's an all time great season.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. And I think the other thing, I don't know if I told you this, I may have told Danny Parkins this. The advantage Oklahoma City has accumulating all these draft picks. So I've always been a believer in baseball And NBA just give away draft picks. It's the opposite in football because you're getting a 24 year old and you can get 50 to 60% that hit and some hit immediately. And they're grown men and they're Jamar Chase and they're the second best receiver in the league within a year.
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Colin Cowherd
And it's a hard cap and you need cheap players.
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Unknown Speaker
And so you get guys that come in and not only are good. Quinton Nelson guard, Colts was like, oh, Is he the second best guard at 24? Doesn't work that way in baseball. Even Bryce Harper goes to the minors. So you know, when I look at these draft picks, here's an advantage. I'd be very reticent, very reluctant if I was OKC to move off this group. Not only are they good, but what is happening with NIL players like Zach Eady are like Yama, stay another year European players. Now Illinois is going to have five European starters. The Spanish leagues that have most of the talent are thinking of shuttering American colleges. Now NIL are buying the best European players. What does that mean? College basketball has been fortified over the last two years. The quality of Florida playing Houston, you're like, oh, there's seven NBA guys on these teams. The UConn team two years ago, like they had two guys make the all NBA top two, three teams. Zach Eady like comes in, he's really dominant. We went through a 20 year stretch of college basketball where Doug McDermott won College Player of the Year and is the 9th best player on a good team's roster. Garza, you know, was it Luca Garza, Tyler Hansborough, we are now moving back because players are first of all not going to the G League as often, staying in college and other poaching European players. Those draft picks now there could be a much higher percentage of them that hit and can play early.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, so here's the other thing where they do. So if you dive into Oklahoma City's pick bounty and it is a ton of picks you when you look at it, none of them really project out to be top five picks but it's going to be a lot of like they got the 9th, they got the 14th, they got the 17th, all that stuff here's. And they already did this once with this guy I don't know anything about, but his name is Topage who stayed in Europe. They drafted him a year or two ago and he should come over next year. What they will be able to do is draft international guys who say hey, you can draft me But I'm not coming over for a couple years. And I think they will be totally fine with that because they don't have enough space on their roster right now. They don't need guys to come in and play immediately. And the point you're making is they can. Instead of drafting the 19 year old who people hope in four years is going to be really good, they might take more of the approach of we're going to draft the senior who can give us eight minutes a night in year one. And that's useful. And listen, Presti's done a great job drafting where I would caution everyone is. Of the last five NBA champions, four of them, the moment they were winning the championship, we were all pretty convinced they were going to win a bunch. And none of them have even made round three. The Lakers, when they won in the bubble was like, well, LeBron's still the best player in the world. Anthony Davis has gotten to a new next level there. How are they? They, I guess the Lakers have got.
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Unknown Speaker
Denver, Boston, but that.
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Colin Cowherd
Right, so exactly. Milwaukee the next year. Holy shit. Giannis put it all together. They traded for Holiday. They're obviously going to be dominant. They haven't been back to round three. Golden State was different because Golden State, we looked at it as the end of like they already had their championships. Certainly Denver, we were like, okay, it's the Yokojira. All year people thought, well, Boston's the best team. And now I can see it happening again with OKC where people are going to be like, who's going to stop them? What is, what is remarkable is that OKC has gotten back to this point, that last night or the game for Shay, J Dub and chet combined for 95 points. Colin 94 was the high watermark for Katie, Russ and Harden together. And you know, that team was there. I think Katie was better than Shea. I, you know.
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Unknown Speaker
But those guys, those guys now in the rear view mirror are really flawed. Like Harden and Westbrook need the ball. Like homegrown doesn't, doesn't fit as well.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, these three guys fit together better. Those three guys are a higher talent. But if we like that team, when they were all 23 or younger, made the finals one game, one of those finals against LeBron's Heat. They were favorites going into the Finals, big favorites after game one. And that franchise has not been in the finals again since then, has not won another finals game. Now I think they're going to win the championship. I just, you know, I would pump the brakes on anyone saying this is you know that this is about to be the Oklahoma City era. I just feel like we feel in the moment right after an NBA team wins a title, we're always like, well they're just going to keep winning titles. I that hasn't that's not what the last decade has been.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, Holmgren could get hurt at some point. Jalen Williams will want to get paid. It's you're not going to keep.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's the problem is the getting paid. The problem is is Oklahoma City, which has never paid the luxury tax they're about to have to pay Shay $1 million a game. Like that's what it's coming. And so that but right now in the moment it's an all they won 68 games and I don't think they're I think the last adversity they they're going to face for the season they faced in game four and they came through.
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Colin Cowherd
No way. Derek.
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Unknown Speaker
I'm like, derek, the brand of the Yankees is bigger than Derek Jeter. Like, Derek Jeter's not the. If he played in Kansas City, he'd just be an all star. Sports fans, they struggle sometimes with, like, recognizing that nobody knows who Jalen hurts is out of America unless you're a sports fan. Your sister, who doesn't love sports, doesn't know who Jalen hurts is. Even after the super bowl, she's heard of maybe the Tush Push, but that's about it. And I was thinking about this. How many NBA players, and I know Caitlin Clark is an athlete, but how she's like, beyond that now, she kind of transcends sports. She's like, it's racial, it's political, it's polarizing. It's a lot of things. How many NBA players are more famous than Caitlin Clark? LeBron, Steph, absolutely.
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Colin Cowherd
Is KD maybe direct.
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Unknown Speaker
That's what I put. I said, I wrote down KD maybe in one year out of women's basketball for a horrible team when she arrived outside of LeBron and Steph, she is the most well known basketball player currently playing in the United States.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, yes. And I don't think that's close. Like, I, I think I might have said this to you last year, that I thought the most famous basketball player under 30 was Caitlin Clark. And it's like you said, I don't think it's particularly close. Like when the. She is demonstrably and inarguably more famous than all of this generation's NBA stars. She just is like, it. LeBron is, I don't know, probably one of the 20 most famous people in the world. At a secondary level, there is Steph, and at a far different level, there is Durant. And the next basketball person, like, active basketball person, is Caitlin Clark. Like the, The. It's. I don't even. I don't think that's a hot take I don't think that's controversial. I think that's just obvious. And I think that it is awesome for the sport and I think that it is awesome for sports fans. And it, it is what I think some people need to be. Okay, like this is, this is apples and oranges, but not exactly. And this is not a fair comparison. But just the audience is smart. They'll figure it out. I think it's probable that Lonzo, I'm sorry, that Lamelo Ball is more famous than Tyrese Halibut.
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Unknown Speaker
Oh, he is.
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Colin Cowherd
No one with a brain thinks he's better than Tyreek, but he is more famous. Now you agree? So I think sometimes like die hard WNBA or women's basketball fans conflate the discussion about fame and popularity with a ranking of players. Right now Caitlin Clark is to me, I mean she was first team all WNBA last year. She has a legitimate argument that she's a top five player in the league and before this injury probably was going to make a real case to win league MVP this year. But if someone's like, hey, I watch, I have WNBA league pass. I watch the whole league. I have for years. I think she is currently the seventh best player in the league. I'd listen to him like, okay, maybe like you know, Brianna Stewart, Asia Wilson, like whomever. But that's not the discussion that now it is also important that your fame not lap your ability again, not to like I'm just thinking because we're talking women's sports. An example of that to me would be like this make me feel old. But Anna Cornucopia, right, Remember? So she was at a time the most famous women's tennis player. And I think she was during a lot of that time, not one of the 20 best. She, you know her, yeah, she was more famous, far more famous than she was successful. But it's quite often that your fame lags. Your ability as I think happens to Nikola Joki, you know, as an example. And it is also often that your fame, you know, is a few steps ahead of your ability. When it is a supernova moment is when your fate, when you are the most famous and you're the best. Like that hap that that was LeBron. LeBron with the NBA obviously Jordan Kobe, you know, at least was close to the best, not the best for a brief period. And it's what I is going to happen, I believe with Caitlin Clark because I do think she will have a period where she is clearly the best player in the league. And again, it could happen sooner than later. But it's, it is so great for the sport because it. She is someone that people show up to the party because of her. And where I give the evolution of the WNBA and women's basketball credit is I think people show up to the party, whether it was for the women's NCAA tournament or the wnba, and they're like, oh, this party's pretty good. I like it. There's a level of physicality in this sport that isn't necessarily, oh, it's always.
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Unknown Speaker
Been chippier because they're not vertical, so they're banging into each other. It's a very physical league.
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Colin Cowherd
Exactly right. And so I think that if you, if you have a good product and your biggest hurdle is getting people to sample the product, she's a godsend. There's no, there's no denying it. And again, there's. Obviously there's a lot of complicated components to it, but just because something has complicated components doesn't mean every discussion about it has to be complicated. And you know, you can just be like, she is a supernova fame, a level of fame with one of a kind talent. And it is game changing for the entire league.
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Unknown Speaker
And also she had a rivalry with a star college player in college. So we have a visceral connection which college basketball no longer gives you. It's what college football gives you all the time. Where, you know, J.J. mcCarthy, you're like, oh, I mean, you see all these Buckeyes in Michigan, Wolverines. When I think J.J. mcCarthy, I think Michigan, I don't think pro football player. I want to go to Baker Mayfield. I thought you had an interesting somebody once in the last year asked Baker Mayfield about me and blah, blah, blah. And he said, well, we're frenemies. And I think Baker knows I like him and respect him and he's always been nice to me. He said nice things publicly. You had a tape the other day that he's actually. He was over discussed when he was in Cleveland. He's now under discussed. And it's funny because I think Baker's better than Dak, he's better than Tua, he's better than Gino, he's better than Aaron, he's better than Russell, he's better than Cousins. I think he and Darnold are very similar, that they can be mistake prone, but they can plan it and they're. They're real players.
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Colin Cowherd
Threw 40 touchdowns last year. No, but he's been really good.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. No, Baker is a prime example. You see this a lot in the NBA where A guy comes in and he just needs the mature Aunt Edwards. In the NFL generally, maturity is not the issue. It's. You either have it or you don't. Baker was the rare. A lot of testosterone, lot of confidence and I felt like can somebody turn the governor down just a little? He was Johnny Manziel, but more likable and with actual talent. He had. He could really throw a football. But I think Baker is the rare NFL player and quarterback. You're like one of the talents inarguable. He's just got to turn the governor down. Cleveland was not built for Baker. You go to a great gm, a talented roster in Tampa, which is by the way, below the radar. It's in the NFC south, which is a low profile division. Baker now is absolutely under discussed. He is a really good NFL quarterback. I don't think that's disputable.
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Colin Cowherd
I. Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top 10 and not include him. And then when you add to the fact that he makes around 60% of what the other guys in that top 10 make, his value is massive. He. For a guy who dealt with injuries during. In his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. His teammates love him and he now has back to back years of really high productivity. A playoff quarterback win the division again, 40 touchdowns last year. I. And so yeah, I think that there was. Because he was talked about so much when he wasn't yet that good. I think people got. I don't know if numbs the right word, but they were just kind of got over him. And now that he is, I think really good people are just like, okay, yeah, that's Baker. Like he's a people I think boxed him in. He's a good story and that is true. But he's more than that at this point. At this point, like do I. This is, you know, a third rail for some. Do I think he's better than Brock Purdy? So I would. I rather have like. And so you, you said Dak Prescott. I think that's close. I think that there is. There are a lot of quarterbacks that like I'll give you a great example now. This guy's young and we'll see but he makes a lot of money. I think he's pretty clearly better than Jordan Love and I think that Jordan Love is discussed like he is.
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Unknown Speaker
I have to see about. It's interesting. So I was really not anti Jordan Love, but I. But I said for two years there is more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding him for a reason. Then he came out and he was kind of sensational and I really bought into him. And then it's as if the league defensive coordinators got all this footage and they found holes and at the end of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught on to him. This is now. It would be a sophomore slump for anybody else, but he was like in his fourth year, fifth year and so I want to see him. So now it's like an NBA playoff series. Like you get worked, then you change things and there's stages and coaching, you know, adaptations to a playoff series.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure adjustment.
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Unknown Speaker
So now I've seen Jordan shock the league. Now I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want to see his next hand with Matt LaFleur. That's why they drafte to meet a receiver in the first round because they're like, listen, we. He may need a little more help than we think here. But I. So I'm not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell of a whip and he's a really good athlete, but he's. He's one of the last quarterbacks in this league. Jordan Love. I'm not sure I know who's bad. I know who's good. I know who's pretty good. Jordan Love is the last. I'm not really sure what he is in the league. To me.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I'm going to throw another guy that I'm, I think this guy's really good, but I'm going to put the not sure and that's CJ. I think that. I think CJ's really good. It is. There are some. I think it is hard in the modern NFL to be really good if you hate running. I. You don't.
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Unknown Speaker
You know what I mean?
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Colin Cowherd
And, and now like I'm sure cj, especially because he's black quarterback, like was probably, you know, felt pressure like to prove to everyone like I'm. I'm not. You know what I mean? I'm not a running back with the. That also play in the position. I'm a true prototypical pocket passer. The problem with that is that position. It's not extinct, but it is on the just the Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Joe Burrow style is. It's just a hard way to make a living and it doesn't mean you have to be, you know, one read and then take off and run. But it's a nice pitch to have particularly in the playoffs. And I thought C.J. in the playoffs Last year actually went to it a little more. And so that was a good sign. But I just want to see a little more from him. But, yeah, I think in general, we usually know who these guys are. And then there are guys who, like, this is the thing that I would say about guys like Darnold or Gino. I don't think Darnold's a weird one with. For you because you always saw this really good player. But I think people that said, like, those guys were not good potentially were correct. And then those guys, through hard work and maturation and learning and getting older, got good. Like, I, you know what?
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Unknown Speaker
I.
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Colin Cowherd
And so, like, the. I think that a guy like Gino, I think Geno was probably rightfully a, you know, lower tier backup early and then worked his ass off, got better, learned more, and became this player. But yeah, I think most of the quarterbacks we know, we know about who they are. The one one, I'll throw another one at you. That, to me, is the most confusing or most intriguing. And that's Herbert, because Herbert, there is no. There is no question how talented.
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Unknown Speaker
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
But five years into your career, you need more than just, he throws an amazing ball. And there's not a lot of quarterbacks who, five years into their career who ended up being amazing, who five years into their career hadn't accomplished anything. And he's on that.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, no, he is. First two head coaches, though, Dean Spanos, until Harbaugh never paid money for a coach, so his first two coaches were a miss. So I do think he's a rare. Circumstantially, I think he's a rare. I think the people in the league that I know all love him. He was also. The Justin Herbert criticism is fair. He was mechanical. On film, people thought he was mechanical. Tom Tesco, who drafted him, said, we thought he was mechanical. Then I went and watched him in person and I saw him play the best Iowa, best Wisconsin defense of all time and went, oh, okay, he's not that mechanical.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean he's super smart. He's super athletic. He could run more. He did a little more under Harbaugh like he. In college. He ran the hell out of the ball when they needed to. Here would be kind of a concern I have. That is really just a kernel of a belief I have about sports, which is particularly for the most scrutinized positions. So best player on an NBA team, quarterback on a football team. The randomness of your first couple times in a big spot casts the longest shadow imaginable over your career. And so I'll use a basketball example, then a couple football examples. The fact that Kobe as a teenager basically was a champion and that, listen, Kobe was unbelievable on the second two championships with Shaq, but that first championship with Shaq, he was a role player and it was peak. Shaquille o' Neal. But. But before he can. Is old enough to drink. He's a champion. No one is ever going to be able to be like, can he? Can you win a ring with Kobe Bryant? And that gave him, in my opinion, the freedom to be like, I'll take every fucking in the game shot. No one can ever say anything bad about me. Right. And so it had a real impact. I do think. I think Tom Brady is one of the greatest athletes of all time and obviously has the greatest resume of any quarterback ever. I also wonder if they simply hadn't. You know, I won't even do the. The tuck rule game. If in that first super bowl, misses the free throw.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Or the kick miss.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Misses the field goal or he makes one bad read or whatever it is and they don't win there, then does he have like the freedom to be him in those moments moving forward? I think that. I think. I think there is a chance that we are talking about Russell Wilson the way we talk about Terry Bradshaw. If he doesn't throw the Malcolm Butler pick, because I think if they would have won that super bowl and he really believes, like I'm ordained by God to do this, that it then led to itself and then go ahead.
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Unknown Speaker
No, no. And by losing that super bowl and throwing that pick, it eroded the chemistry in the locker room. And it was never the same off one play.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think it eroded for him. This feeling of this is meant to be the flip side to those. To those. To Brady or to Kobe. Example is Peyton. So Peyton, early in his career came up short in a couple big spots. And then it just. The weight got bigger and bigger and he got that moniker even though he's as talented as any football player I've ever seen. So the reason I bring that up is I, I worry that for Herbert, he is going to walk into his next playoff game with the weight of the world on his shoulders. He's going to be like, I've been here. I basically played two real and one de facto playoff game. The de facto was the week 18 Chargers Raiders, remember that were like a tie. You both go to the playoffs and the Raiders steal it at the end. We blew a four score lead to the Jags and I threw four picks in my other playoff game. And it just, it is so, it's so fleeting what that you know what those can be. And so that is to me like a real and something I'm excited to see moving because you, you've seen how it's worn on Lamar and you see the freedom Mahomes plays with Mom's like nobody can ever call me anything but, but clutch. And he can play well.
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Unknown Speaker
Lamar now is feeling the pressure. You can see Lamar in playoff games this tight it. I think eventually the failures of the Chargers and the Spanos family to get the right coach got them to pay $15 million a year for Harbaugh. So he has his kingmaker. And I also think it takes. This is something that people don't really understand this. I think we tend men, at least in America tend to worship other men and we just forget that Michael Jordan for years didn't do shit without Pippen and at the end it was pathetic in Washington. But it's six for six and he's the greatest ever. And he failed at baseball and Michael got Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen and everything changed. He was just kind of a ball hog who couldn't get past Boston, he couldn't get past Detroit, didn't get along with a lot of teammates early in Chicago or Layton, Washington. And even when he was with the Bulls he was hard. In the documentary, Tom Cruise is a great example. So Tom Cruise goes in a high school play and a year later he's in the movies. And not long after that he's in a risky business. And that really defines him. I mean Ray Ban sales exploded, you know, from the underwear scene in Risky Business. So Tom had absolute talent. But if you go back and look at Tom Cruise who is as driven, willful and obsessed about movies as anybody. It wasn't until his last five to six movies where he finally came to terms with I'm just going to run a lot and do action movies. And they all hit. And his last five to six movies have Been massive hits. He did Rock of Ages, Eyes Wide Shut, Vanilla sky, who some people really like. I've never seen it. He had lots of misses. Marlon Brando had lots of misses. So think how long it took for finally, finally a Bradley Cooper to find the right director or Tom Cruise to find the right vehicle. He was always talented, but like Herbert, he needs his Harbaugh. And that's what I think we tend to forget is that Michael Jordan had Doug Collins and Stan Ulbricht, but no Scottie Pippen. He couldn't win a playoff series, none of them. So you just need so much help. And that's, you know, when anybody will ever ask me, you know, about, oh, gosh, how do you think you've done it for 30 years and you've been doing this? And I say, I've had great help. I've had really good bosses. I've had a couple stinkers, but overwhelmingly, I've had really good support and really good agents and really good bosses. I would have been somewhat successful. But the point being is if you find a great stockbroker or you. I mean, Obama, he has somewhere he's got a kingmaker behind him. You know, somebody behind him, believed in him. And we just forget that in sports and that Mahomes would have been successful, but Brett Veach and Andy Reid are a big part of it.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Well.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah. And that. It's also one of the reasons that I find the. I find it really fun, but also frustrating at times when we trying to parse individual credit for team sports success is one of the most fun things about our business. And it's also why a guy you and I see similarly, but is, you know, one of the more polarizing, if you will, quarterbacks is so interesting in Purdy because there is. It's so much of. All right, who is it? Are we, you know, like, I argue with Wilds about it. Wilds, basically, his take is that I believe when the Niners win, Shanahan won and when they lose, Purdy lost. Like, is, you know, that the Shanahan gets the credit and doesn't get the blame. And my. My actual take is that I think that there is. There are a lot of factors that have gone into why a quarterback who everyone in the league, including the Niners, thought was not that good has had statistically one of the three or four greatest starts to a career in the history of the sport. I understand there are misses. I get it. I know Brady went 199. I understand all that. But I. When People with Purdy, people will say you would feel differently if he were the number one pick. And my answer is, of course he'd.
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Unknown Speaker
Be a better player.
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Colin Cowherd
Because if he were the right. That's. Because that's, that's. You wouldn't. The draft, it's not random. Like, if you were the number one pick, he wouldn't be undersized. He would have a slightly stronger. He would. Like. There's real things to.
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Unknown Speaker
Tony Romo was undrafted when Bill Parcells found him. So the first four to five years of Tony Romo's roster was great. They didn't pay him anything. He was free. The minute they started paying Tony Romo. The offensive line wasn't as good and Tony Romo couldn't win big games, even though Tony Romo is a really good B plus, A minus quarterback. But Tony Romo was free. Kurt Warner early in his career, who I think is great, undervalued historically, you know, came into the league, he was free. There's no question that Brock Purdy's lineup was stacked. I mean, it's, it's that.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, and listen, we don't, we've done the Purdy thing before. What is so frustrating to me about the Purdy thing is, and maybe this is why it's an argument I can't get over is. And I, and I'm going to make this point, you know, till the end of my career, as long as this is relevant. For years, folks argued about Jimmy Garoppolo.
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Unknown Speaker
He.
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Colin Cowherd
Is he just a winner? Is he underrated? You know, is, you know, was. Did he make Brady nervous because he was breathing down his neck? And then there were folks like me who was like, ah, I actually think he's pretty mediocre. And they'd be like, no, that team was terrible. And then he got there. They went to an AFC championship game, they went to a Super Bowl. And I, I kept saying, yeah, I really think 25 quarterbacks in the league, if you gave them the defense the Niners had, then that head coach, those weapons, they would be incredibly successful. And it's like, well, that's a hypothetical. We'll never know. And then they literally replaced him with the last pick of the draft. Had the exact same level of success and those same people, instead of being like, shit, maybe you're right, they're like, that new guy, he's fucking awesome too. Like, you gotta be kidding me. I'm like, they literally did it. They didn't replace it with a first round pick. They replaced him with the last pick. Of the draft. And guess what they did. They went to an NFC championship game like they did with Jimmy. They then went to a Super bowl like they did with Jimmy. They lost the super bowl to literally the same team in very similar fashion. And you're like, turns out they're both awesome. And then I'm like, hey, by the way, how's Garoppolo look? Can't play that. He's gone. They're like, oh, well, you know, injuries, I guess I'm like. Or maybe he's like, I think Purdy's obviously better than Garoppolo, but like Garoppolo was a. Is a below average quarterback who looked quite good. I think Purdy's an average quarterback who looks great in the exact same system. And by the way, Jimmy Garoppolo never had Christian McCaffrey. And I'm. I just feel myself going crazy.
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Unknown Speaker
No, you're.
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Colin Cowherd
And then they paid him $53 million. So what do I know?
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Unknown Speaker
So I wanna. I've always thought it's interesting. I didn't grow up with a lot of tradition. I went to church, I went to Sunday school probably two or three times as a kid. My family was protestant, but I'm agnostic. I've said that on the air a million times. I have no idea what's out there. Much like Covid, I'm not an epidemiologist, nor do I have any expertise in religion. I just don't know. So I did not grow up. I had divorces for my parents. I did not grow up in a traditional family like many of my listeners. So therefore I understand people who really gravitate to traditional. It is kind of remarkable though. 40% of America lives in the zip code they were born in. That's almost half. That's pretty crazy. I'm now in a new city, Chicago. Like I just have moved my whole life and I'm gimme about two weeks. I'm totally comfortable. So I understand that. I don't really care. I'm not a USC graduate, but I just think things change. And USC moved into a much better conference. And the only people that followed him to the Big Ten were Oregon, Washington and ucla, their three biggest rivals. So they lost all the bad teams in the PAC 12. They entered a much better conference with the three toughest teams to beat. And now we have a 12 team playoff where they could play four other great teams at the end of the year. It is amazing what tradition does. It makes smart men beautiful. Women in sports make smart men dumb. It is Remarkable to me that people are clinging to this game and do not understand that Lincoln Riley is paid to get to the playoffs, nothing more. He could beat UCLA 38 years in a row. If he never got to the playoff, he wouldn't last 38 years, he'd last three more. And that I'm confounded by people that don't see what USC is doing, which is basically, we want to get to the playoff. We don't want to play Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington, Penn State, and then have a November game in South Bend, Indiana, as a warm weather team. I've told you this before. There's never been a dome dynasty. Marino was not a dynasty. Warm weather teams when the playoffs are outdoors in January are at a disadvantage. That's why the Patriots, the Ravens, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the packers, the Seahawks, San Francisco, have felt kind of like dynasties. Dallas a little, but it's colder in Dallas in the winter than people think. So USC is like, hey, listen, we don't want five cold games against five powers.
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Colin Cowherd
Are you.
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Unknown Speaker
Now you're not a huge college football fan. You've told me this.
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Colin Cowherd
But.
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Unknown Speaker
But is there ever anything like this that you're shocked? Maybe it's the Brock Purdy situation. You're shocked people are struggling with change.
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Colin Cowherd
No. So, no, no. But I, I actually want to stay on this because I do have a question for you on it, because I've heard you talk about, about this, and this would be push back. I don't even know if it's push back. Just my concern. My concern would be, you're right, what Lincoln Riley's job is. But this to me is like the first cousin of what my. We've talked about this. My. When we talk about baseball changing rules and the NBA potentially needing to change rules and about how the GM's job is to build a team under the current rules. The coach's job is to look at the current rules and construct, you know, the best strategy possible. The commissioner's job is to make sure the product is as entertaining as possible and to make sure it gets the most eyeballs as possible. And my question would be, do you think holistically college football runs a risk the more it just markets itself as a minor league NFL? When is. If people love football at the highest level, the NFL is the place to go. But there are a lot of people in this country way more so with the NFL and college football than there is with college basketball in the NBA, where you ask them and they say, college football is my favorite. I watched the NFL I love college football and a lot of that is the tradition, the rivalries, the pageantry, the fucking cheerleaders and the Saturdays and all of it. Do you not worry at all that because there is no commissioner of college football, because everyone is just thinking what is best for me right now, that there isn't a risk for the sport as a whole, that usc, Notre Dame, even as a guy who doesn't care, like it's not. I don't care about college football. It's like my seventh favorite thing in sports. I'm like, well, that going away would suck. Like that's like. And I don't like that to me is something that I think can't be missed, which is whether it should matter or it doesn't. I don't think it's best for college football to just be the NFL with younger people.
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Unknown Speaker
It's not going to be, it's going to become college basketball with a different ball. That the best thing about it will be it's three and a half week tournament at the end is that that's what it'll be. It won't be a poor man's NFL, it'll be a Superman's college basketball. It'll be a better version of what college basketball is, where the regular season's fun and there's some rivalries, but it's about that 16 team playoff at the end. And it'll be four to five weeks. It'll be, you know, jet fuel. And I mean Texas, Georgia last year gets a monster number. Not Texas, Oklahoma, and that Auburn, Alabama will always play. And by the way, Ohio State, Michigan will always play Michigan, Michigan State will play, but there will be a handful of rivalries that will possibly subside. And that, that's just the cost of doing, of shifting the importance to December. December was always the Holiday bowl, the Citrus Bowl. It was a. I always was bummed out. I always, I went to Larry Jones when he was like the, the guy at Fox who paid for bulls and negotiated deals.
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I'm like, let's get more Bulls.
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He goes, they all lose money. And I'm like, what a bummer. I wish we had like 10 bulls. And in the end, the Bulls felt bigger than they were. They're independent films. They make the artists and the actors happy, but most don't. Most are not Reservoir Dogs. Right? And so the bowl games made sponsors happy, but they didn't sell out and they didn't necessarily get a rating. And so basically it's going to be a hyperversion of March Madness eventually It needs to build up the culture and build up, you know, like we have to get used to December being amazing.
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Colin Cowherd
No, so I, so that, I mean that. So that's a really smart kind of way to look at it, which the rich man's college basketball. But. And again, maybe I. The way I like things doesn't mean it's the right way. But I have to tell you, if I were in charge of a sport very far down the list of sports that I'd be like, you know what? We should emulate men's college basketball, where for four months people are not all that interested. And then it is, you do like. And this is, this is something that maybe the world's changing in that where it is. It's. Is it more valuable to have everyone's wrapped attention for three weeks and be, you know, off the radar for 49 than to have a lot of people's pretty good attention for 12 weeks, but to never be the zeitgeist? I don't know, like, maybe I've talked to our friend Maverick about this, which is his belief that like we are moving to where it's all about events.
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Unknown Speaker
That's right. He's totally.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I talked with him and that's college football.
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Unknown Speaker
It'll be an event, right?
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Colin Cowherd
An event like where you can have people over and be like, we are. What he said this is why he thought the NFL was so successful, is they could make so many games feel like an event that the, you know, the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson thing, that was an event. A moment rather than inventory of a bunch of stuff. Maybe that's where we're headed. Maybe when everything is so fragmented, that's what we are. You need standalone.
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Unknown Speaker
Here's the things, if I had to say, here's eight things that are going to work going forward. The World cup, the Olympics, depending on teams. The World Series, March Madness, the NFL, the College Football Playoff, and if you get really popular UFC fighters, big UFC events, those will all work. And then what's going to struggle is the Major League Baseball, the mls, the NBA and the NHL regular season. Fox has tried to inject the game in London. Mets, Phillies, the Field of Dreams.
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Colin Cowherd
Like that's the Rickwood Field. The field of Dreams. That's cool. And again, not to sound like a company shill, the way Fox made the Indy 500 sent our show, the Indy 500 feel huge. America responded. 5 million people watched it last year. 7 million I watched it. That watched it right. People were in. And so that I. Maybe that is the answer Maybe it is turning things into events that also I, you know, I pitched this 100 times. I'll pitch it to you here. It also is another reason, and if anyone ever does this, because I've been pitching it for a decade, just make me some consultant on the league. I still believe there is a market for boxing. And I think that with all this Saudi money or whatever it is, if somebody, you would need a few billionaires. I've been talking about this for 10 years. To go to the top 16 fighters in every weight class and say, who is your promoter and your tv, what, what your. Who is your contract with? Why? You know, the reason that there's seven belts and this and you can't fight. We're buying them all out. Everyone out. And here's the deal. We are signing you to the league. Our league has very simple rules. You fight four times a year. It you have an official ranking, the rank, the ranking says if you are the 8th ranked fighter, you fight the 9th ranked fighter on, in. You know, we have monthly pay per views, we have four weight classes, we have one belt per weight class. And every single pay per view, one of the belts is going to be on the line. Everyone's going to know every month there is a big event, and guess what? Being the heavyweight champion of the world is going to mean something again. And everyone's going to know who it is, because it's one person. Because as, as much as successful as UFC has been, I still believe that there is a barrier to entry for UFC that does not exist for boxing, which is, nobody ever has been like, yeah, I don't understand that sport. With boxing, it's very fucking simple. It's like, hey, they're going to punch each other and someone might get knocked out. And I, I like ufc. I don't think it's that hard to understand, but everyone has been like, oh, I don't get it. Like, how is it scoring? Like, what's it? And so if somebody just took Dana White's UFC model and made it a boxing model. And the other free advice here is, hey, guys, people are worried about judge corruption. I don't know how much judges cost, but you know how to make sure there's not corruption. Instead of having three, have nine and do the figure skating scoring thing, which is the highest and the lowest scores don't even count. And it's the seven scorecards done fixed. I think boxing could be a big event again as well. Like, I think people, people are into it if they feel like it's on the level and they know the people. You just have to know the people involved. But there's, it's too.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, listen, I, I've gone to more boxing than I have ufc and I say that having the last six years gone to at least three UFC fights per year. So when I was in Vegas, you.
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Colin Cowherd
Lived in Vegas, you used to go every weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you. Let me ask you one. Let me ask you a football question that we. It's a dumb, kind of more of a dumb sports TV thing, but I actually want to know what you think of it. Have the Chiefs become America's team or will that always be the Cowboys?
- [76:50]
Unknown Speaker
No. In fact the Cowboys were tied for third in total audience and that's because Fox puts them on games they probably shouldn't be. But because the biggest draws right now are the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens and the Niners are also big and the Packers. But I think after this year when Dallas wins five to six games because I think they have the worst probably head coach in the league, arguably good court. I think he was an average coordinator. I think he's more. I think.
- [77:20]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean certainly the most unproven and the oddest hire. Yeah.
- [77:25]
Unknown Speaker
So my take is Dallas will be the fourth most watched team in the league after this year. Now Fox may because of Fox promotion and marketing ability and production values, we may be able to prop up the Cowboys.
- [77:38]
Colin Cowherd
Juicy.
- [77:39]
Unknown Speaker
Yeah. I mean Fox just does it. Fox gives you like if you give Fox baseball, it just is better than other networks doing baseball. Fox is really good at. Eric Shanks lived in a truck. That's how he your your CEO. Everybody has a specialty. Bodenheimer was sales when I was at espn. ESPN could monetize anything. Anything. Shanks grew up in a truck. So our production values are sensational. They always have Been. I mean, I, I said this a couple years ago. The five to six hour live Super Bowls from opening moment, the pregame show starts to the end. They're majestic. They're like as good as American television gets for live five hours. So. So I think Fox may prop the Cowboys up, but if you put them on another network, they wouldn't, they wouldn't resonate as much. But they're not a. They're not a fun team. Dak is a boring player. A second lower body, body injury, he's not hyper athletic, he doesn't have a big arm. They have a couple of interesting receivers. They're not fun to watch. Philadelphia is fun to watch. Detroit's fun to watch. Buffalo, Kansas City. There's some teams in this league that I. I mean, like, when the receivers are healthy, Houston's fun to watch. When the receivers are healthy, Cincinnati's fun to watch. But no, I think, I think Kansas City is actually America's team. Absolutely. I don't think there's any question. And I would say, And I, I would say Buffalo, to me feels like number two.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, listen, I think Buffalo is probably the team people. The, the team. Neutral fans root for them.
- [79:19]
Unknown Speaker
Yes.
- [79:19]
Colin Cowherd
Because I think people, they look at Buffalo not as an underdog, but like, man, they gotta get over at some point. And Josh Allen is so likable and the Chiefs have kind of become like villains, you know, to a degree, all that. But yeah, I just think, I think the team that is the biggest draw on the most interesting is the Chiefs. And that the reason I even asked it is it just speaks to the power of the NFL that the most popular or most interesting team in the biggest league in the country can be from Kansas City, Missouri. You know what I mean? Like that it isn't. It doesn't have to be.
- [79:55]
Unknown Speaker
Think about this. Here's the six biggest brands in the NFL, arguably now. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Green Bay.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. San Francisco, probably still Dallas, but still it's not, it's none of the New York. It's not la. Even though the Rams are good. Yeah. All right. Can I tell you something else? Because you'll like it. I don't know if there's something else.
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Unknown Speaker
No, please.
- [80:22]
Colin Cowherd
I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you something. So look, look. So look at this here. I don't even know if you'll be able to see.
- [80:28]
Unknown Speaker
Let me see.
- [80:29]
Colin Cowherd
I'm gonna put it up. See if you can see.
- [80:31]
Unknown Speaker
Okay. That's an autograph.
- [80:32]
Colin Cowherd
Nick Wright. Nick Wright. Poker, Trading.
- [80:36]
Unknown Speaker
Okay, now back it up for the camera. Go the other side. Turn around. There we go. Look at that.
- [80:44]
Colin Cowherd
So I, here's the, here's the craziest piece of this. I had to buy this on ebay because I, I signed all these for this company. But I didn't get like they there. It's trading cards. So they all got sent out in sets. And the set they sent me didn't have my own card. So I had to pay like 40 bucks. That's the going rate for a nick, right? Poker or leaf trading card. But the reason I brought it up is because, and I know you'll be excited about this. For me, today is the first day of the World Series of Poker and a week from today I fly to Vegas to play in like four tournaments. So I'm going to be in Vegas.
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Unknown Speaker
How much do you take from.
- [81:28]
Colin Cowherd
Well it's a wire, but it'll be, I mean I'll tell you the tournaments I'm playing. So I'm playing in the $10,000 dealer's choice. So that's a tournament that it. It's one of the most prestigious. It's going to be a bunch of pros and me. The dealer's choice means Colin. There's 22 different variations. There's old school five card draw, there's seven card stud. There's games you never heard of, like Badoogie Bedou. See there 22 different games could be played. And every seven hands a different player at the table gets to say okay, for the next seven hands we're playing this. And then you got to play it. So that is you have to be able to like, you have to A, know the rules and how to play every single one of the games. And B, you have to be able to pick up on oh wait, that person made a grievous mistake on that game. So I'm we. Everyone should call that game until that person's out here because they're drawing dead at it. It's really like a fascinating way. So I'm gonna play that. I'm gonna play the $10,000 seven card stud and then I'm going to play a $1,500 badoogi tournament, which badoogi is you get four cards. It's a draw game. You're. You need all four suits as low cards as possible. Seems silly. It's awesome. And then I'm going to play what is the silliest tournament in World Series of Poker history, which is the pot limit Omaha Double board bomb pot tournament. But that none of that those specifics are more interesting to real poker players. What is exciting for me is literally as we speak right now, there is A, a $25,000 10 team fantasy draft going on with I think it's Winner take all where it's a World Series of Poker fantasy draft. So it's like football players. So like Phil Hellmuth, every team involved 10, 10 teams or people put up 25 grand, they sell pieces of or whatever. And then a guy like Phil Hellmuth, Every team has $200 in salary to spend and then they do an auction for the, for the players. And however well you do in the tournaments is you know how many points you get for your teams. Like Phil Hellmuth will probably go for like a hundred bucks or whatever it is. And I think there's a chance, probably just on a lark, but that somebody pays $1 to draft me to be on their World Series of Poker fantasy team in case I bank one of these tournaments. So I am. I've been, while I've been talking to you, when you've seen me glance down at my phone, I've been trying to check and see if somebody did what is probably bad general managing, but spent a dollar to have my results at the World Series count for their fantasy team. So I know all of this is very complicated and confusing for people aren't poker players, but for people who are poker players, this is maybe the single coolest thing about being me is that because of my success, whatever that is in my professional life, I've got to basically just parachute into part time professional poker player and play with all of the best players in the world. And I love it so much. And the World Series starts today and I'll be out there in a week.
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Unknown Speaker
So do you. Is there resentment in the industry because you've been able to parachute in?
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Colin Cowherd
No, because anybody can. Because that's the great thing about poker. Every tournament's open entry. You just got to fork up the money. You know what I mean? So like I, if I asked you.
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Unknown Speaker
So and I want you, you can have hubris, confidence. If I said to you truly publicly, where do you rank in the world? If I said to you, are you a top 30 poker player in the world?
- [85:30]
Colin Cowherd
No, no. Zero percent chance. Zero percent chance. No, no, no, no. Nowhere close to that. But, but this is what's so interesting about poker. You want some of the most profitable poker players in the world of which I am not even close to any of that, that but are not top 1000 players. They are just Good players who only play with awful players. Poker's really weird like that, like. So here is the part where these tournaments are a different story because anybody can play.
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Unknown Speaker
It's the opposite of golf, where your score is your score on the course. It doesn't matter who you play with.
- [86:09]
Colin Cowherd
Correct?
- [86:09]
Unknown Speaker
Right.
- [86:10]
Colin Cowherd
Correct. It's the exact opposite where I, where, where I am very lucky.
- [86:17]
Unknown Speaker
You play against great players.
- [86:20]
Colin Cowherd
Well, no, you don't want to. I, in these tournaments, I play against great players, and that's just fun to, like, test myself. But as far as, like, cash games or if, like, you're trying to make money, what you want is to get invited to the games with, like, the tech billionaires, the retired athletes who are terrible influencers or whatever it is. Right. And those games, I can get into a lot of those games now. Some, A lot of those games that I've been invited to, I actually don't have, like, the bankroll form those games. People are bringing five, six, seven hundred thousand dollars to them. But the actual best players in the world don't get invited to those games. They're like, why would we invite you? Like, why would we invite a great player to those games? So, I don't know. It's just, it's just what I love. I played poker since I was nine years old. I'm 40. And now, like, I, through what I do, I know all the best players in the world. I can pick their brain on stuff. And I, you know, in a week, I'm going to go to Vegas and see how I do in some of these tournaments. It's very exciting. I know it's nerdy. It's so exciting.
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Unknown Speaker
You never answer the question. How much will you wire to Vegas? How much money total?
- [87:43]
Colin Cowherd
Like, like 60.
- [87:45]
Unknown Speaker
Oh, I thought it was going to be like a quarter million or something.
- [87:49]
Colin Cowherd
No, no.
- [87:50]
Unknown Speaker
You've made a lot of money playing poker.
- [87:53]
Colin Cowherd
I've made a. Yeah, I know. I've made a lot of. Well, thank you. I shouldn't have said. Yeah, I know, but. No, because I, if. I know, I, The, Those tournaments. That's why I told you the tur. The two big tournaments are $10,000 to enter each, so there's 20. There's two more $2,500 tournaments, so there's 25. And then the rest, like, cash game stuff, whatever. But here's the other thing that's very interesting about this poker world, about gambling world. I, If I, by the way, if I wired a quarter of a million dollars to the, To. To Vegas, I, I Don't. I don't know how much money I would have to make a year for that. Not to annoy my wife, that I wired a quarter of a million dollars somewhere, but it's a lot more than I currently make. And so. But I'll tell you a quick story that you'll love. So I. So I went. I was in Vegas for something. Whatever it was, this was like two months ago. I didn't even think I was going. And then I went and it was. I was just there a Sunday to a Tuesday. And that Sunday night, I walked by the Aria, or I'm staying in the Aria, but I walk by the poker room and I see a guy I know and. Oh, oh, and that UFC fighter who I don't like, Colby Covington. The guy always talks shit about LeBron. They're playing in a private game in the high limit room in Aria, and I walk by and say, you know, and say hello to the guy I know there, but he's getting ready to leave and say, and I was just coming in, say hello and. And he's like, oh, I'm leaving. He's like, do you want my seat? And I'm like, oh, no. Like, I was just saying hi. I was like, I didn't. I didn't even know I was coming to Vegas until yesterday. It's Sunday. I was like, I. I have no money here, so thank you. The guy whose game it was credit to this guy. And I. I'd say his name because I want to give him the compliment, but I don't want to say his name because I don't know if you'd want this out there. He just flicks me two $25,000 chips and is like. And is like, just text me. He's like, I'm going to text you. Give me your number. He was like, you're good for it. I know we had. We. We've never met. He just. I was. I. I knew his buddy who was in the game. He maybe knew me from the show and was just like, yeah, this guy's probably not going to stiff me on $50,000 and just tossed it to me so I could play in the game. So there is a. And now, luckily, that night, I. I played for a few hours. I won, like, two grand. The. So I just gave him back, you know, those two chips and cashed out, whatever it was. But there is a real, like, almost, you know, just, hey, in my notes app, it says, you owe me 70 grand. Like, you know, like, there's a lot of amongst the guys who play a lot like just hey, I'll spot you. You spot me this, that or the other. But I never even in the games, I never ever, ever play on credit like that. I did that when I played was in college and didn't have any money. And it's the only time I've ever really like gotten myself in a really bad spot. Gambling where it says you play on credit, you can gamble money you don't have. But it's just, it was so funny just being out in Vegas. The guy I literally shook hands with for the first time ever just tossed me two $25,000 chips. Like, okay, we'll up at the end of the night.
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Unknown Speaker
I'm like, you're very, you're very mathy. Like to me, playing poker feels like punishment. It's like the movie Papillon. It's my prison. I would just, I wouldn't know what to do. I just, I can't sitting down.
- [91:44]
Colin Cowherd
So funny when they invite me to games. My buddy Brent Hanks, who, who sets up all the TV games for poker go almost every time he invites me, he says he's like. And tell Coward we've got a seat for him too. I'm like, he's not playing. I was like there and I was like, I was like, I'm just telling you he's not playing. I was like, I'm. I think Colin could pick it up. But it's, it's not, it is not what interests him, it's what interests me. And I'm so.
- [92:14]
Unknown Speaker
No, everybody's got like, it's very cool when you can have a hobby and the hobby becomes lucrative and it's you are you and I have talked about this privately before, but it is a revenue stream which you can't count on like most revenue streams. But it will be a lifetime revenue stream for you because you're good enough that you on average will win. And poker is not a game of chance like roulette or even sports betting. There are so many factors that mitigate.
- [92:42]
Colin Cowherd
Oh it's. And it's very hard to be a profitable sports better. And the thing for me though is this. If I can just be a break even poker player, I'll make money in poker because I now get to do a lot of cool poker broadcasting stuff, you know what I mean? Like calling events, like doing things and so like the. I can probably put myself in like this 10, like this $10,000 dealer's choice tournament. What you know, in poker they talk about ev. Expected Value. I am minus EV in that like, I am entering of the hundred tournaments of the World Series of Poker this summer. This $10,000 dealer's choice is probably one of the six hardest field fields, meaning more professionals versus recreational players of any of them. And so that is. From a financial perspective, that's one of the dumbest tournaments I can enter. But I just want to play against the best in the world and see how I sure, like, you know what I mean? Like, I can. It to me is worth it to take that shot. And if I were to do well, it's just lifetime like, bragging rights in that tournament. And so my, my. So I'm really.
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Unknown Speaker
My only hobby is there's no way to make money. It's expensive and it's. I love getting on a plane and going to Europe. I love it. It's my favorite. The happiest I am will be Thursday night. Well, yeah, And Thursday night I'll be getting on a flight to go see my son who's taking a class over there. And we'll go to Copenhagen in London. And I'm in my heaven just going, you know, business class, eat glass of wine. The whole thing picked up.
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Colin Cowherd
That's exciting.
- [94:28]
Unknown Speaker
It's my favorite. It's my favorite thing. I've told my wife, she doesn't like travel as much as I do, but I've always said going, you know, mom, British, going to Europe. I've got, you know, there's just a lot of places in England I know where to go.
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Colin Cowherd
Is your son in London or in Copenhagen?
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Unknown Speaker
No, he's in London, and I'm gonna go meet him there, and then we're gonna head off to Copenhagen and we go. We try to go to. We went to Iceland a couple years. Every couple years, we try to go somewhere international. That to me is. And by the way, there's it. You just hemorrhage money. Travel, international travel, if you want to do it right, is. It's no joke, but it's where I.
- [95:05]
Colin Cowherd
Will agree with you. And then it's It. I've never felt like I wasted money on a good meal or a good vacation. Never. I've never felt like that sucked. I should. Would have been better. Like, where else? I don't know a better way to spend the money rather than to, like, see different parts of the world, you know, experience different cultures or to eat great food. The London is one of the places I've never.
- [95:38]
Unknown Speaker
Oh, my favorite city in the world.
- [95:41]
Colin Cowherd
See, So I. So tell me before we go, because I know, we got to go. I live in New York City, right? How is London not just New York with way worse food?
- [95:52]
Unknown Speaker
Well, because it doesn't smell like weed and urine everywhere you walk okay?
- [95:58]
Colin Cowherd
I mean I probably does a little.
- [96:00]
Unknown Speaker
I think, I think it is. Well, I mean it's like Zurich and London are like. It's a moneyed crowd. It is incredible hotels, incredible service. I like to walk. I'm a walker. So for me, you know, I bring tennis shoes and I literally every morning get up, I'll go walk through the parks for two hours. And then the cab system's amazing. You have to train for like four years to be a cabbie. You have to know every street in London. So it's a four year process. So it's like a tour guide. The cabbies are like a tour guide. So. So, you know, you give them ten pounds and you go drive to drive to drive. I just, it works for me. I've told my wife this. There's something about London. When I land, I feel like I'm home. I don't even know what it is.
- [96:51]
Colin Cowherd
Well, isn't it. I mean, isn't what it is. Your mom's from there. Yeah.
- [96:55]
Unknown Speaker
And I've been there enough that. But it's really just for whatever reason, I'm sure there's somebody that's listening that they go to Hawaii every year, they go to Greece and it feels the same. It's just as much fun as I can have. I love it.
- [97:09]
Colin Cowherd
Well, listen, my takeaway from this is tough beat for Fox because four years from now cowherd is going to be like Chicago was fun. What do you think about me doing the herd from London? Like what? What's he got it? What's the difference really? It's just later in the day.
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Unknown Speaker
Nick Wright, that's always buddy. Great talking.
- [97:31]
Colin Cowherd
Great to see you. See you later. Bye.
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Unknown Speaker
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Colin Cowherd
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