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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast - OKC Thunder Are UNSTOPPABLE, Notre Dame’s Tone Deaf Complaints, Caleb Williams Comp? Shedeur Better Than Expected
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Yo, it's D.J.
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Danny Parkins
The volume this episode is brought to you by Netflix. Netflix is basically Santa this year. Two NFL games on Christmas Day streaming live at one Eastern. Cowboys Commanders Dallas is suddenly red hot. Could play big for the NFC playoff picture. Then at 4:30 you've got the Lions struggling against the Vikings. That's Midwest Football Playoff stakes. Two teams battling it out for the number one seed last year must win for Detroit. So watching holiday football is a tradition the whole family can get into settle and watch it. The NFL Christmas Day games live on Netflix starting at 1pm Eastern time. Watching holiday football is a tradition the whole family can enjoy. Open some gifts, grab some food, settle in and watch NFL Live on Netflix Christmas day starting at 1pm Eastern time. So Danny Parkins is joining me. You know I'm from First Things first and if our camera angle looks a little weird this week, it's a long story, but you're going to have to deal with the people. That's just technology at its finest. So I had this rant today on my show and this has been a pretty consistent thing for 30 years in the business that there is no even so just own dynasties. They're coming and they're going to come in different forms. When the Lakers dominated forever, it wasn't that they always paid the most. It's because Jerry Buss was cool and the Laker Girls were cool and the weather in the winter in a winter league was great and so people liked playing there. And then Pat Riley went to the Miami Heat and he sold the same thing. Miami's cool. Miami's got perfect winter weather, so they won on weather cool, not the most money. Duke basketball won on resume and Mike Krzyzewski nil, by the way. Now Indiana football's got better financing than most of the country is it Unfair. There is no even so Oklahoma City is not only 24:1, but analytically the best defensive team ever. They are, I mean they're blowing people out for two years now. The playoffs are different, right? But they're going to have three first round picks this year and could win the lottery, could have the number one pick. And if you look at their egoless roster, their coach, their gm, their bench, which is maybe the deepest ever, they could have a five year run. Their advantage has simply been they're smarter, they're more efficient. And the new CBA, I would argue, is more punitive to ineffective GMs. It punishes them more. I'll throw one more stat at you. In 1989, the richest people in the world had 1.3 trillion. They now have 17 times that. Okay, seven different presidents. The point is you can't legislate fair or even, even socialism doesn't perfectly work. And that when I look at OKC and I look at the Dodgers, at least the Dodgers are an interesting dynasty. At least they're doing it. Money is their advantage and deferring payments, but it's watchable. OKC did it through analytics. It's terribly boring. And that Adam Silver wants everybody, he wants parody. And I think it's idealistic when the truth is you can't stop dynasties in golf, tennis, skiing, women's basketball, it doesn't matter. It's gender free. And that baseball and the NBA should both should embrace the money aspect. Players want to play in certain cities. People want to live in certain cities. They don't want to live in Kansas City. They want to live in New York and LA and Boston and Chicago. And so when I watch Oklahoma City's dominance, I say, all right, well, at least the Dodgers dynasty, you just don't like that. It's money. At least it's captivating. At least it's interesting. So I know you don't agree with that. I laid out my. But my, my take is the NBA of all the pro leagues, everything is going up. NIL has made the rich richer, right? Everything's going up. Basketball's not because it's got parody. And nobody really truly wants parody, nor is it good for the business model.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I don't know if we're dealing with a little bit of causation correlation there. Like you think that basketball's ratings are not going up because of parity. I, I think rate, rate, like rate ratings were up in Kansas City for the Royals when they were good. They were down. They were down when they're bad. Like, generally speaking, like, my guess is the Oklahoma City Thunder's local ratings are very good.
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Danny Parkins
Great.
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Colin Cowherd
That would be my guess. Right, Right. And so, like, do the Thunder have a fan base that is national or international? Obviously not. So if the, if a, if a dynasty because of Sam Presti's genius happens to take place in Oklahoma City, will that have the appeal for basketball that it. That a dynasty in L. A and the Dodgers, one of the most famous brands in all of global sports, has for baseball? Of course not. But, like, if it was flipped and the analytically brilliant thing that you called boring in basketball happened to be occurring for the Bulls or the Celtics or the Knicks, my guess is the ratings would be up. And if the thing that the team that, like, happened to have the best local TV deal in baseball was a small market brand that people didn't care about, I don't think the ratings would be up that way. Like, I think it's. I think it's the Dodgers that is, it's captivating because it's the Dodgers and it's boring, quote, unquote, to people because it's Oklahoma City. Not necessarily because dynasty. I agree with you. Dynasties, generally speaking, drive interest, like the Patriots, the Chiefs, the warriors, the Dodgers, like, but, but the spurs, when they were a dynasty, weren't slaying it in national TV ratings because it was San Antonio. So I don't. I don't know that I agree that I think it's like dynasty and brand drives ratings. Unless in football, where everything rates right. Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
So I guess.
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Colin Cowherd
I guess basketball and baseball, I do think it's more brand dependent.
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Danny Parkins
Well, I think, I guess my, my ultimate point is stop worrying about tanking and stop worrying about dynasties. Players want to play where they want to play. There's too many franchises. There's greed all over sports from the ownership position. And I think we worry way too much about, you know, tanking. The NBA's become, to me, kind of fear based on this. Like, they want to tell you it's a player first league, but then they limit where players can go. Whoever drafts them, whatever, you know, morbid, boring, bad team drafts them. You are punished for ever wanting to go play where you'd want to live in the winter. You're punished. Right? Like Sacramento. No player wants to live in Sacramento. Most don't want to live in Salt Lake City. But you're punished economically. If you're going, like, I want to go live in Miami or I want to go live in Chicago, you're punished.
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Colin Cowherd
But if they didn't have those rules.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Is there any way for Milwaukee and Oklahoma City to win?
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, Oklahoma City's doing it now.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, but no, but they had an advantage for Shay to resign. Shay was able to.
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Danny Parkins
He's a, he's a low ego, low publicity star. He doesn't care. Like, he's a guy that would be like, yeah, I can make a little bit more money here, but it's so suede. You can make so much more if you stay that what young man who grew up with average means is going to turn down $200 million so you actually become a prisoner of where you get drafted.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, if we want to have a conversation about, like drafts in general not being great for like labor in the workforce, I think that applies to all of the sports. Right. Like my, my brother in law graduates from Purdue computer engineering and he had offers from different places, right. He could choose and he got to choose and he chose very. He chose well. Like, you know, kid works at Nvidia and like, it's gone well for him. Like could, could have, could have ended up at Hewlett Packard would have been fine, but the dividends wouldn't be as good. But so, yeah, like, he had options. He wasn't drafted to Nvidia. He chose Nvidia. Right. So I obviously agree that that is anti capitalistic, un American, all of those things, but I don't think that. I do think that sports would in general, like, we can talk specific Dodgers specific, Thunder specific, any point in time. I do think they in general would be less interesting if the Lakers and the Heat won every NBA championship, the Dodgers and the Yankees won every World Series. And you know, on and on down the line, if only the big cities and only the big brands ever won. I do think it would be less interesting. We do like David and Goliath. It is a pretty popular narrative that's built. And like, I also would say Giannis's title in Milwaukee as just a basketball fan. And again, I'm watching all of them. Right? I'm watching all of them. I would argue that Giannis, not all titles are created equal. I think we've talked about this in terms of how I view them. KD hates this argument, but I will contend that it is fair and logical. His titles plural in Golden State are not as impressive as Giannis's singular title in Milwaukee. Because, Katie, because the cap spiked in an abnormal way and he joins a 73 win team that are the one before him and one after him. It's like, congratulations, they had an owner who was willing to pay the tax. And, you know, it was aesthetically pleasing basketball and probably the best team in the history of the sport. Very cool. But Giannis, 15th overall pick, skinny kid from Greece, goes to Milwaukee, signs three contract extensions with team that drafts him. They build a new arena because of his popularity, and he has one of the great closeout NBA Finals performances in the history of the sport. To bring one title to Milwaukee, to me, that is more like of a legendary title than Katie's tight titles, plural, in Golden State. And I don't know, I think that's kind of related to what you're talking about. I don't want to live in a sports world where Giannis's title doesn't happen. I'm fine with Golden State having the dynasty, but I want Jokic to get his one. I want Giannis to get his one. Like, I. I want both to exist.
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Danny Parkins
Here's a something that somebody asked me the other day.
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Danny Parkins
Why is it that the Asian influence actually seems to help baseball, but the international influence doesn't help the NBA? In fact, often you could argue hurts it. I have a theory behind this. It's kind of one of those think out loud, kind of think your way through it. So Ohtani and Yoshi, there's no question, have helped baseball. This international flair helps baseball. It does very little. In fact, the international stars who are now MVPs in five or six straight years don't translate necessarily. And so I've thought about this. Can I throw this at you always?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
Because baseball, like the NFL, sells the team. They sell the Cubs. My daughter goes to a Cubs game. She doesn't go, I want to go watch Kyle Tucker. She wants to experience Wrigley.
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Colin Cowherd
And I thought she had a great time.
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Danny Parkins
She had a great time.
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Colin Cowherd
Wrigley's undefeated. The Cubs very defeated. Wrigley, undefeated.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, it's. It's. Somebody said this, if Wrigley was in Europe, it would be like. It would. You would go to it be like the Vatican. You've never been to Wrigley. Oh, it's over in Belfast. You've got to go.
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Colin Cowherd
It's like one of. It's probably my favorite place in the world. I love Wrigley. Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
Um, so baseball sells the team. Yankees now players can help a rod in his prime. To the Yankees. Sold out Tuesday, Wednesday games. Basketball is so player driven. The league is so much about the star is that most European players are not really interested coming over. So basketball's insistence to sell the star over the team going forward, as the game gets more global and international, is hurting them with ratings. Baseball sells the team. Now, they love Ohtani, but it's not. I mean, Ohtani had a bad World Series. The ratings didn't go down. Ohtani, you know, if he's not pitching, you see him infrequently at the plate. Is that the NFL and baseball going forward have an advantage. UFC has discovered this to a large degree. They need another Jon Jones and Conor McGregor. UFC is great, but they really, the stars, like boxing, wwe, when Roman Reigns didn't first hit, they're like, we need our Hulk Hogan. We need our Andre the Giant. And that the international basketball player has no interest in being a big personality. And the NBA has always leaned into personality over brand.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think that there's, I think, listen, baseball definitely sells the team. There's no question they sell the team so much that a pretty consistent like 20 year or maybe 100 year criticism of baseball has been, why don't you market your stars more? But, you know, and they're. And they're like, we're doing okay. Like, business. I always say about baseball, like, you can have $100 with $100 bill. That's the NFL. Or you could have $100 with fives and singles. And that's baseball. Baseball is a booming, growing, huge business. They just make it from. We have a ton of inventory that a ton of people care about in a ton of places, and then it all adds up. Whereas Bucks, Falcons, 15 million people will watch.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, and so like that. There's a huge difference in just the popularity of the sports and how they make their money. The international and so the NBA obviously burden magic, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Dr. J. But really, since Bird and Magic, it has been, wow. Stars grew the league's popularity exponentially. Jordan takes it to a level that they never thought of ever since then. Star, star, star, star, star. And I don't. I think that's just the nature of the sport. Like, I don't think that is something that will ever change. I don't think basketball is dumb for. Or the NBA is dumb for marketing its stars because you can go to a Dodgers game and see it's rare. But you could see Ohtani go oh for four or get shelled on the mounds. You go to a Lakers game, LeBron's putting up 27, nine and eight. And like, it's. It is a bankable box office thing.
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Danny Parkins
But, but, but college basketball, UConn, women's. I turn it on because of the brand Duke basketball, regardless of players they're playing them on. So in college basketball, men's and women's. I watch brand. It's the NBA. I watch for the star.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. But in college, the best players go play for the brand. Whereas in the NBA, LeBron gets drafted to Cleveland, Giannis gets drafted to Milwaukee. So, like, it. They. They become the huge star in the NBA, and then, like, the psychoanalysis of an. Of a European player, not like Giannis is in commercials. I happen to think Giannis is actually. I think of the European players he is the best at. Yes. You're talking. He's funny.
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Danny Parkins
He's also been Westernized. He now criticizes ownership. You know, he's us now. Right, right. Well, he.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, he gives incredible answers at press conferences.
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Danny Parkins
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, he. He really, like, thoughtful. He'll be critical to your point. He's had funny social media moments where he seems, like, relatable with his.
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Danny Parkins
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Another. Like, with his kids on the court, like, I actually think. But he's not American, and it's Milwaukee, and not as many people pay attention. But I do think if it was, like, Giannis Jones and he played for.
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Danny Parkins
The Bulls, he went to Duke.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I do think that he would be. We'd be like, oh, my God, Yanis. He's going to carry the torch. He's the most popular player. So part of that's American. Like, just like American bia, that, you know, team.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's just. It's just. I don't think it's. I think part of it's the European star, and part of it's just we root for Team usa. We root for the US Men's National Team and all of that. And listen, I'm a Team USA basketball dork. Like, they got issues coming up. Like, they. They. They have to figure out some stuff because the last Olympic team still got bailed out by Stephen LeBron.
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Danny Parkins
No.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, like, and LeBron and step A. The podcast two weeks ago, where they're like, hey, you're not going to play in 28. Right. And LeBron was like, no. He's like, are you. And Steph's like, I don't think so. Like, but, like, they'll be in their mid-40s, and we're asking that question, like, I think Steph could probably still get buckets. So, you know, we have to figure that out. Like, who is the guy? Is it going to be Anthony Edwards? Like, is he going to be the face of American basketball? Is it going to be Cooper flag, is it? Who, who is the next guy going to be? And this at the All Star Game, Adam Silver's doing the, like, trying to channel the four nations, you know.
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Danny Parkins
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
But the Americans got two teams. Like, if it was just like eight Americans against eight international players, we'd get smoked. Smoked, smoked. And so there's more American All Stars, which is why there are two teams. But like the top would get absolutely run off the court. So the personality thing is definitely part of it. But also it's just we need better American basketball players.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. And I listen, I think the league's never been more skilled. I mean, Charles Oakley couldn't play today.
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Colin Cowherd
It's, it's, that is a statement of fact. Like, the league has never been more skilled. I think it's the only league where like baseball is going to expand, it looks like.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I'm like, I don't, I don't know if I, I don't know, like, I get it for money, but like, I don't know that there's definitively enough talent to feel.
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Danny Parkins
Already had to triple A teams last year. The A's and the White Sox. Right, right.
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Colin Cowherd
Like the NBA, there's enough talent like there, there is flatly enough basketball players that no question see it all the time. Like a team's like, oh man, we had four guys get hurt and then someone you've never heard of come in and drops 50 and you're like, what? Like, like there is absolutely enough talent in the NBA to, to grow the sport. A couple more markets if and when they want to.
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Danny Parkins
So I've always been, I've always been a fan of Notre Dame. I appreciate their academic rigorous standards. I've put many. I always had kind of a rule, you know, if I were going to put on a college kid, where he went to school mattered. Like Notre Dame kids could come on and lecture you about physiology. Right? Like, so I always like Duke basketball dudes or Notre Dame football dudes. You're like, we're safe. Because I generally don't put 24 year olds on the air because they get, you know, intimidated and they, you know, it's a big platform. Notre Dame was always like the exception. You can put a Notre Dame guy on, it's brilliant. People sometimes lack self awareness. Maybe they've been complimented. Maybe things have come easy. I was shocked by the lack of self awareness from an independent school saying we're just not getting the support of 21 year ACC member Miami who by the way beat us. And I watched Pete Bavacqua, who by all accounts has been a very good ad and I was shocked they were toned after the fact that they lost head to head and that guys, the last time Notre Dame won a Natty they were 25 independents. Even BYU said we're going to join a conference. I'll always root for Marcus Freeman. I think he's such a good guy. He's kind of the face to me of the coaches of college football. Like if it was Nick Saban for 10 years. I think Marcus Freeman's one of the faces. What did you make of their reaction from we're not going to the bowl to this is outrageous to we're being picked on as a semi member of a conference.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I have a lot of thoughts. First of all, I too like you grew up in Chicago. There's no college sport of, of note, you know. And so my dad and I used to like, he was just like, let's go to big games like that. We just like going to sporting events together. So we would go to one Notre Dame game a year. My dad just Catholic kid, poor south side of Milwaukee, Midwest. His whole life he's just like, he really respected the brand and so he showed me Rudy at a young age. We'd go to games every year. Notre Dame's a, it's a, it's an impressive place. It's also a little smug. It just is like, yeah, they're like, you know who roots for our team? Jesus. Like, seriously, like touchdown Jesus overlooks the stadium. And then you walk around that campus and it's not the only like religious figure statue that they have that's like doing. They're like, and that one looks like he's doing a first down signal, doesn't it? And it's like they just kind of carry themselves. And by the way, that's not totally like, like, oh, it's, it's the Ohio State University. Like, like. I guess my point is tone deafness in college sports is not. That's just the latest example. Like there are, there's, there, there is so much money and so much arrogance and so much smugness and Notre Dame is at the top of the list and has been for. But like, if I would have told you five years ago, come on, in the future there's going to be a university that gets left out of a hypothetical playoff and instead of going to a bowl game, they are going to cry about it and take their ball and go home. You'd be like, Notre Dame, you know, like, it's just, it's just kind of. And by the way, like, they like it like Duke basketball. They kind of like it's part of their DNA to be like a little smug and like we're a little better than you. And so I wasn't surprised. Like you, I was turned off by it. And this is one. I also know that you, you will disagree with me on. I will add it to the list of things where I just. Everyone says this is awesome for college football, the playoff, because we get more games and it gets decided on the field. And I know the ratings are huge and I know this makes me argue against more football. So I know that this is. I'm upstream without a paddle here. But like Indiana beat Ohio State in football, the ultimate basketball school beats the ultimate football school for the Big Ten championship to become the number one team in the country. And I watch your show every day as I get ready to do my show and that made herd line news. And you and you spent a lot of time Talking about how two loss 9th ranked Notre Dame did they get snubbed for two loss 10th ranked Miami, who Miami beat. Now to your credit, you argued. No, they're being ridiculous. But like, have we lost the plot a little bit that we are focusing on the 9th and 10th ranked team instead of the teams at the top. To me, like, it is just what is awesome about college football. And there's many things. But I loved, I loved that the regular season in college football mattered even more than the regular season in the NFL. Every game mattered. And last year, Ohio State Michigan, in my world should have been an elimination game for Ohio State. Because if Michigan can beat Ohio State and Ohio State can fall to eight and be the eight seed and then make it to the tournament and win it, okay, congrats for your national championship. But then I personally care a little less about Ohio State Michigan. I know that's sacrilege to say, and I know that'll never be the case for Ohio State fans and I know it'll never be the case for Michigan fans. But like, if that's not an elimination game in that spot, it objectively means less to the, to the casual person. And so it's like, I just, I felt like Indiana got lost in the shuffle and I felt like people were debating things, that a two loss team didn't get a chance to be the 10 seed in the playoff. I, I, I'm not there yet in my college football brain to care about that.
- [36:48]
Danny Parkins
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- [38:14]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And again, that is a. That is what happened. And I get that it was going to happen. Do you think they're going to go to 16? Are they going to go to 30? Are they going to go to 32?
- [38:28]
Danny Parkins
I don't think they'll go to 32. I'm. I'm very comfortable with 12. I wouldn't put two lane in. I don't buy into James Madison. I think that's just nonsense. I just think it makes everybody feel good. It's a neat story. It's not the truth, but fine. I, I'm not going to lose any sleep in March Madness. It works because there's 68 teams. I think it's basketball.
- [38:47]
Colin Cowherd
You can, you can play a game on a Thursday and then a game on a Saturday. Right, right.
- [38:53]
Danny Parkins
I would have rather. I would have rather seen Vanderbilt in Texas, but I'm good. I'm fine with it. I think people look at the Boise State teams like Chris Peterson, where they had 11 NFL people and they go, well, they beat Oklahoma and it's like, okay, that was. That team could have beaten anybody. It was Chris Peterson and Boise State was an NFL factory.
- [39:13]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [39:13]
Danny Parkins
So I. The college football is a little inartistic. It's very turbulent. It's weird. But it's always felt like boxing, where I always say it's the wild, wild west. Like the territorial governors you had in the wild, wild west. Those are the commissioners now everybody, every territory for itself. And it's like, no, we need like a Dana White, like, we need a Roger Goodell. So I am willing to, to be less engaged, although I'm not. But I'm willing to care a little less about Auburn, Alabama if I get a great ending to the movie.
- [39:50]
Colin Cowherd
And I think that that's totally reasonable. But like, to your point, like James Madison, Oregon is there. You know, they're three touchdown plus underdogs in that game. And it's a playoff game. Like, that kind of feels like a bowl game that I didn't care about once Upon a time. And the Bull, I mean, my wife went to Clemson. She's like, oh, they're playing at Yankee Stadium. They're playing in the Pinstripe Bowl. You got to get us tickets to that. It's like, okay, like, you know, so, so, so, so we're. So we're going to go see Clemson, Penn State at Yankee Stadium and it'll probably be sold out with all those fans there. So, like, I agree with you, the bowl games didn't matter. I definitely agree that at the end, this, this, it, it, it feels more like a true process to crown a champion. It's undeniable that it's good TV and good business and it works. I just, I, the other thing that doesn't sit great with me, and I've heard you address this and like Notre Dame is not going to play usc. Oklahoma's like, Oklahoma can't play Oklahoma State anymore. There's just, the conferences are so big and there's not divisions anymore. So even if you're in a conference, you don't get to play everybody in your conference to tell me truly who was the best. Like, it's just because we have to get into this conference to have a better shot at a playoff, to get a better shot at a bid to get a bigger. It's just college football is messy and regional and rivalry and irrational. Like, I want Oklahoma to play Oklahoma State. I want Kansas to play Missouri. I want, like, I want that stuff to matter for that sport. And I, I, I'll get there. But I don't, I don't love that this stuff has led to that stuff ending.
- [41:35]
Danny Parkins
Yeah. And it's, it's been very quick and.
- [41:37]
Colin Cowherd
Generally things very quick.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
It's like, it's like I, I've, I've, it's not perfectly analogous, but it's like AI or the pandemic. The world changed overnight. Job displacement. Wear a mask. College football in a year went from paying a players the death penalty to celebrating it and marketing it and bidding wars over a junior in high school. Right. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on?
- [42:01]
Colin Cowherd
And USC has to play Rutgers in volleyball. USC plays Rutgers but not Notre Dame. I'm like, are you sure? Are we positive that's what we want? Like it just. And you're, and you're right. Like it all changed real fast. And it's real fast. I, I still, you've got me.
- [42:23]
Danny Parkins
Right.
- [42:23]
Colin Cowherd
Like, like I'm not your issue. Like, I'm going to watch big games, I'm going to gamble on it. I understand the business side of it and I am still obviously by any football game that you put on television with a point spread. But it's just, and like, I don't know, it's a lot fast. And I'm very interested where the dust settles in a decade and how this is all going to settle into it.
- [42:46]
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Colin Cowherd
Stuff.
- [43:52]
Danny Parkins
And I think the Dylan Gabriel early success is very explainable. Dylan Gabriel played so many college games. He was more ready than Shadour. He also played in more of a pro system at Oregon with pro players instead of Colorado. So Dylan Gabriel played so many college games when he walked into that camp for the Browns, Stefanski's like, oh, this kid's unbelievable on the whiteboard he's unbelievable. But over the course of time Shador's talents greater which I've always argued. And over, over the course of time Shedeur ramped up, got a lot of practices and everybody went that's the better guy. So I don't think there was anything other than more experienced college guy from a greater NFL ready program, had a clear advantage to start. But eventually talent wins. But through it all what we aren't talking about is Shedeur does appear to be better than everybody in the NFL thought because he was a fifth round quarterback. And Greg Cosell came on my show this week and yeah, the film said he was excellent and lost in all of this is the most important position in the sport. And because people didn't like some vibes, there's a franchise quarterback in Cleveland and he'll be free for the next four years. To me that's unbelievable.
- [45:12]
Colin Cowherd
I have all the respect in the world for Greg Cosell. I watched every throw that he had against Tennessee and he was great. I thought that he made some really impressive throws. I thought the, the throw to Njoku for the touchdown, I thought yes, I thought the throw to fan in for the two point conversion. I thought, I thought he dumped it off some where it felt like he felt pressure and had pretty good just like awareness around him. Like I, I thought there was a lot of impressive things in that game against Tennessee. I still think It's a little soon to say that he is a franchise quarterback for beat for not beating the Titans. Like, it's just like he, he didn't.
- [45:58]
Danny Parkins
Be getting a little excited.
- [46:00]
Colin Cowherd
He didn't beat the worst team in the league and now you've got him as Cleveland starter for the next four years. I think that's a little premature because the game where he came in off the bench against Baltimore, he looked not like an NFL player. The game against his only road game this year is against the Raiders. Maybe the easiest spot to have a road game other than Tennessee. And he was 11 for 20 for 200 yards. And he had a 66 yard touchdown. But 65 of that was yak. It was a dump off swing pass where the Raiders just didn't tackle. And the Niners game, he was not good. And so like let's see. Because the Bears defense is not very good, but they lead the league in takeaways. But.
- [46:45]
Danny Parkins
And also the Bears have a stacked roster like Denver does. Shador has a bad roster and he's being very productive with a terrible receiving core. Like really bad receiving core.
- [46:56]
Colin Cowherd
Yes. And a coach who seemingly doesn't like him. So like yeah, I should door has been better than I thought he was going to be. But like can we see how he plays when it's gonna be five degrees below zero on the wind chill against the number one takeaway defense in the NFL? Like I just, it's a. It's a little early for me to say that if Cleveland has a top three pick, they're not taking a quarterback. And if they.
- [47:22]
Danny Parkins
I would take Mendoza over him and I would take. Well then he's not. Well then he's not a cheap.
- [47:28]
Colin Cowherd
Well then he's not a cheap franchise quarterback for the next four years. Like if they take Mendoza, he doesn't play another game for Cleveland.
- [47:36]
Danny Parkins
Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't think they're going to get to Mendoza. I think Cleveland's two talent. They're going to win another game. I would take Mendoza over him. That's not saying he's not a franchise quarterback. Mendoza I think is a pro Bowler very quickly.
- [47:48]
Rob Gronkowski
Yeah.
- [47:49]
Colin Cowherd
And listen, Shador, I cannot imagine because think about what NFL teams have overlooked. Like how. Because 32 teams passed on him at least four times in some teams, like five or six times.
- [48:05]
Danny Parkins
And he was the most accurate college quarterback ever.
- [48:09]
Colin Cowherd
And his father is one of the greatest athletes this country has ever produced.
- [48:15]
Danny Parkins
Top five.
- [48:16]
Colin Cowherd
So. So right. So like I don't believe it was a conspiracy. I think there was real red flags there and I just, I want to, I need to like actions. Right. The NFL's actions said Shador Sanders is not an NFL quarterback. His actions against Tennessee are saying no, no, no, I absolutely am. So now I think it's actually interesting. I think that prior to this a lot of people were acting completely foolish and it was like they weren't wanting to like confirm their it was confirmation bias of how they felt about him going into the draft. And like, you know, Mel Kuiper on draft night, I think shifted shaped a lot of narratives and fame and people are tight with Dion and I think there's a lot of factors at play here. But I will admit, like now it's interesting. Like now, now it is now to me. Now it is. All right. Show what you can do. And I can't wait for to explain it. But like next year DeSean Watson's on that roster. No, gross, I, I agree with you. But the owner of the Browns was at the Sean Watson's wedding this off season.
- [49:31]
Danny Parkins
I know.
- [49:31]
Colin Cowherd
And executed the worst trade in NFL history and gave him a contract that apparently made him a pariah among all of his billionaire friends because they were all pissed that he gave him a fully guaranteed deal. I'm thinking he might be a little invested in that working out too. Like it. So there's going to be Shador will have to be great the rest of this year for him to enter next year. Not in a quarterback competition with a $230 million guaranteed quarterback and another draft pick. Maybe not a first round pick, maybe not a top five pick, but I, I think he's gonna have to be great to not be in a serious quarterback competition next year.
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- [56:55]
Danny Parkins
So if you look at year two Josh Allen and Caleb Williams. Yeah, the numbers are. They're literally the same.
- [57:03]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, I've, I've, I've looked. It might be my screensaver.
- [57:09]
Danny Parkins
So Josh Allen did get better and I think Caleb will. Overlooked in all of this is Buffalo has the worst receiving core in the league right now and Josh is throwing to tight ends. Much easier throw. So his completion percentage now is like oh, look at Drew Brees. Look at six. Six Drew Brees. No, Josh is still a playmaker. He's probably closer to a 65, 66% if he was throwing the ball down the field which by the way Mahomes is to a Rice or Xavier worthy. He's throwing to tight ends because Kincaid Haas.
- [57:47]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Knox.
- [57:47]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, Knox, that. I mean last week Gabe Davis who they brought back had two catches. That was their go to. So I think lost in Caleb Williams or under discussed, not lost is the fact that he may have made two of the best throws of the season last week.
- [58:05]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the one to Zacchaeus and the one to Comet. Yeah.
- [58:08]
Danny Parkins
I mean ridiculous. The one in the end zone is you. It's almost an optical illusion when you watch it in real time. If you watch it again in full speed, it doesn't make sense how he got there.
- [58:19]
Colin Cowherd
I was watching it, I was watching it with Nick and I was like tell me if I'm being a prisoner of the moment but like he has the best arm in the NFL.
- [58:27]
Danny Parkins
I think he does.
- [58:29]
Colin Cowherd
Right. Like it's, it doesn't. Obviously that doesn't mean you're the best. It. Throwing it hard is not a bit like, like to throw with velocity and accuracy on the move like that is. It's just, it's preposterous. It's, it's, it's, it's the best. It's him, Josh Allen. It's a short list of guys.
- [58:47]
Danny Parkins
So I guess this is my point. I think he's a shorter Josh Allen. I think that's his Comp. I think he's a 6:1 Josh Allen. Everybody's like, well, what is this? Everybody has comp. And I'm like, I said it today in the herd. I'm like, yes, comp is Josh Allen. Like, there is no ceiling for him. If I told you, best arm never gets hurt. Throws very few interceptions. By the way, probably the best runner right now in the league at quarterback. Now that Lamar has scaled back, it's either Josh Allen or Caleb. And you think this sounds crazy. I think Caleb is a shorter Josh Allen.
- [59:25]
Colin Cowherd
I really do. So I still think, I still think it's Aaron Rodgers. I just. The, the shorter Josh Allen is just going to be tough for me because so much of what Josh Allen does is like he's a polar bear. Like, you know what I mean? He's.
- [59:42]
Danny Parkins
He.
- [59:43]
Colin Cowherd
People bounce off him like Ben Roethlisberger. He will truck people. Not that Caleb's not willing to truck people. He has like he's. Because he's Caleb's 6:1, but he's strong. Like he's like 6:1, 2, 35. Like he's, he's pretty, he's pretty beefy. 230, whatever it is. But like Rogers was 6:2 and Caleb, maybe this is also just following everything the guy's said since he's been a pro. Like he's modeled his game after Rogers. Rogers is his favorite player ever. And what to me one of the greatest quarterback seasons like on like the short list in NFL history is Rogers is 2011 season when he had 45 touchdowns and six picks. Because if you look at that season, it was like it wasn't a Brady surgical. I'm just never throwing a risky play and we're going to have 10, 12, 14 play drives. It was like he's top three in yards per attempt. Like he was chucking the ball down the field and making big throws, but also not turning it over. Like they were like deep ball throws that weren't risky. It's crazy stuff and I think that's what Caleb can be like when he really dials it in. He wants to use that arm and throw it all over the place and. But he doesn't throw picks. And so that is. I still think the absolute ceiling is the downfield aggressive assassin who doesn't turn the ball over. And his mobility and escapability is crazy because like Josh Allen can run, but he's not like pirouetting out of, you know, like, like Caleb Williams looks like. I want Chicago to nickname him the1. Like he looks like Neo in the Matrix. He's like dodging bullets. He was sacked 68 times last year and people said I was a homer for this opinion but I stand by it. I actually thought he had pretty good pocket presence. It's an insane thing to say for a guy who took had a top five sacked season in NFL history.
- [62:03]
Danny Parkins
Well, who? Ben Johnson. First thing he did. Jonah Jackson, Drew Dahlman, Joe Tunney. It wasn't Caleb, it was the line. Yeah.
- [62:10]
Colin Cowherd
And he was, was. He was trying to make plays. Like it wasn't like he was dropping back to pass and getting blindsided and he didn't see it coming. It was like the team sucks. It's a 10 game losing streak. I have three play callers my rookie year. Guys are dropping like flies all around me and I'm trying to make plays. And he would get, he would get sacked. Now some of it was on him. He held the ball too long. I think this the number that, I think it was on a Monday Night Football broadcast and it blew my mind. He took like 28 sacks last year where he held the ball for five or more seconds. That should be impossible. I don't think Peyton Manning did it in his career. And so like he, he's definitely learned and Ben Johnson has helped him but he is an escape artist back there and sometimes it'll lead to a sack that was 17 yards instead of 8 yards, you know, sometimes. But he's really cut down on that this year. The completion percentage is way too low. He, he doesn't seem to see it quite quick enough. Like the throw he missed to commit was open. He just, he saw it late and underthrew it. Terrible combination and it was a game ending interception. But like I am convinced that there is a superstar there and that there is an MVP there and I think Ben Jonson's going to get there. Like I think we've, we've seen it before. Like the Mahomes, it was his first year starting which made it so special. But it was his second year in Andy Reid system. Like we've seen the, even if it's third year in the league, but it's the second year in the system. Like second year in the system is when you can have the mastery of it. Like I think Caleb is going to be a very trendy MVP pick next year. Like I, I think he's going to have a monster season next year with Ben Johnson and then we'll see what that means for the rest of this year.
- [64:04]
Danny Parkins
Danny, first things first.
- [64:09]
Colin Cowherd
The volume.
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First.
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Zyn Nicotine Pouch Advertiser
There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.
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Colin Cowherd
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