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Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Bench Caleb Williams? Best College Football Programs, Chiefs Start 0-2
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John Middelkoff
You know, I thought going into that, that drive where Travis hits off his hands and they pick it off and they take it to the 50. And I mean that tackle Josh Simmons running down the field to save the game. I thought of Kansas City scored there. Now I don't know if they could slow down Philly. They had that time but I mean you just never know with Saquon and like you said, some big playmakers, they were just going to have to win that game on guile toughness and it was going to be if they had pulled that off. Let's say Kelsey catches it or that doesn't happen and they score. Just an incredible championship like metal type game for them. But they don't have much right now, you know, worthy being hurt, Rice being suspended. You know that I Thought Travis was having a good game until that moment. Obviously, Patrick missed, you know, Thornton earlier in that drive where he ended up hitting him, which might have given them a little more time. They wouldn't have to force it. Let's face it, Kansas City right now, I expected defensively, they got shredded last game against Herb and Ann Hurts shredded them in the Super Bowl. So I knew that they were going to bring it defensively. But offensively, I mean, they got an old Kelsey Hollywood Brown. I think their running backs are okay. They run hard, but are they starting on most good teams in the league?
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Colin Coward
Yeah. I mean, I think they'll be fine when they get Rashid Rice back in four weeks. I think they will. I think they'll find their way. Denver losing a game they should have won today, that's a huge break for them. So, I mean, that, that game ends up being big for them.
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John Middelkoff
Well, in Monday Night Football, someone has to lose between the Chargers and the Raiders. So you're not, they're not running away with you yet.
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Colin Coward
Yeah, but I, I did feel, and you know, Chiefs fans don't want to hear this, but I felt like Sirianni and Jalen hurts. Sirianni was coaching with a lot of confidence. Like when they, when they took a lead, his whole thing was, guys, we can just ground this out. Let's not take any big. I mean, they didn't take one big shot down the field to devonte Smith and they hit on that. But I felt. Philadelphia's kind of felt like, okay, we're on the road, we have the better roster. We're going to grind these guys out in the second half. And it was just one of those things, especially after that interception on the deflection. And let's be honest, if you have a great coach, great coordinator, Spags and a great quarterback at home, after you were humiliated in the super bowl, the game was going to be close. The line was one and a half. It was good. I said it Friday on the Herd. I'm like, guys, it's going to be a close game late and Philadelphia will situationally get a key first down or four and win. So the game kind of looked like I thought, but I thought Philadelphia, I felt in the fourth quarter, John, they felt they had the game. It's like they brought in a closer in baseball and they kind of. I mean, how many times did they use the tush push today? Seven, nine?
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Guest Analyst
Yeah, a lot.
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John Middelkoff
A lot. Well, Brady mentioned it, though, on the goal line play where the two guys jumped off size. They didn't Call it. And that, that obviously was a huge play in the game. I do think the Chiefs, they gave everything they have. They just don't have much right now. And one elephant in the room is Kelsey's old now. Now granted he was having a good game relative to what he's been in the regular season, but man, that play where the dude picks it off and takes it to midfield and they end up scoring was a crippling moment for a team. This is not the 2019, 20, 20, 2021 version they cannot score against. Let's face, they're playing Vic Fangio, who's one of, if not the best defensive coordinator in the league with just a really good defensive personnel.
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Guest Analyst
Right.
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John Middelkoff
I mean, you see Jordan Davis looks, that guy physically looks fantastic. Obviously Jalen Carter is one of the best players. You know, Vaughn, all their, you know, defensive backs. Mitchell's a really good player. So that's a tough loss. I mean that's, that's pretty devastating because you threw everything you had. Your coaching was at a high level. Your quarterback was just trying to will his way and you're just still not good enough, right? So you've had two straight weeks, right? You know, the Eagles are going to be one of the best teams in the league all season long. The Chargers, obviously, if Herbert's going to play at that level, they're going to be an awesome team. And you've lost two games, right? It gets really good teams. That's where it's like you hope once these guys come back, Rice off the suspension. You know, if Worthy can get healthy, you're just going to have to win these games off guile and toughness. But eventually you kind of run out of gas, right?
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Colin Coward
And Denver's got a better roster. But Denver gave that game away late today against Indy 3 dumb penalty east in the last 4 20. So again you get a break in division and the Chargers probably beat the Raiders. So, you know, I still contend they're going to be a wild card team in this division. They'll be fine. A game that was hard to watch, but I watched almost all of it. Detroit 52, bears 21. Outside of Roma Dunze for the Bears, not much worked. You know, I was. And by the way, the Lions, they go for it. So not kicking field goals, that's just who they are. That's Dan Campbell. So you got to get over that Bears fan. But I got to tell you, I watched that game today. And after the first drive, take the first drive out. Last couple of weeks, Bears have looked fine It's a timing offense and Caleb Williams does not appear to see the field once he's off script and it just becomes ad libbing. It's backyard football. I don't think this is going to work. I don't, I, I. This. It's the second week in a row, the first series. Again, they dial up. They got about eight to 10 plays. It looks fine, it's very tight, but how many plays can you script? And then they go off script and he clearly Caleb doesn't see the field particularly well. And then he, then he's flushed out of the pocket. He made six, seven, eight throws today. Rolling to his right. He just kind of threw it up for grabs. Couple were picked, a couple were caught. But you know, I'm looking at my notes here and I just keep writing. They're ad libbing again. Ad libbing. I mean, there's just nothing about it except Roma Dunze. You'd feel good. By the way, Luther Burden, Missouri, did he play? Did he suit up? Loveland, the kid from Michigan, Cortland Loveland. Or is it Loveland Courtland? I forget the Michigan, Michigan tight end.
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John Middelkoff
He had no, he had no catches.
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Colin Coward
So, I mean like zero have weapons. They've drafted good players. They can't get them the ball. I think this thing could go sideways real fast.
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John Middelkoff
Do you know what I wrote down? I watched two documentaries in the last week. Billy Joel and Charlie Sheen. And whenever they get married, you could see the divorce coming from a mile away, especially with Charlie. And in this situation, I, I've been saying it from. This doesn't just speak for quarterbacks in the NFL. You could be a talented player and Caleb to me is a major question mark. But we have seen hall of Fame guys get with the wrong coordinator and it not work. Scheme is in basketball, whatever plays you're running, if I'm a great player, you're going to make it work and I'm not going anywhere. That's not the way football works. Then you factor in. Like you said, there was a interception he threw today. It was classic usc. He rolls to his right, hero ball, throws an awful pick. It leads to a touchdown. I can't remember if it was 1414 at the time or 2114, but it was one of those plays they show Ben Johnson getting really mad. That cannot happen. Right. Obviously they're going to be plays where nothing's there. The Lions are going to be hard to beat at home. I like the Lions a lot today in this game, but I didn't expect to see 50 to 50, 20 or whatever the final score was. But this is a. This is a marriage that is not meant to be. Their styles do not mesh up. And we have seen time and time again that these coordinators with quarterbacks, when I do not pick you. Here's the thing with, with Bo Nix who threw a bad second half pick. He played an excellent first half, but Sean Payton is tied to him. That's his guy. He loved him. Right there is a. Like that power of when I draft you, when I believed in you from before you become an NFL player is powerful. That is not. Ben Johnson took this job. Maybe intrigued by Caleb, but you see through two weeks his, his mannerisms on the sideline with his face and it's. This was an Ebert flu's game. I mean this was pretty embarrassing. It's not all Caleb's fault. I'm. This was not like he was worse last week. But this is not this. The Bears are a joke. Colin, you and I have been talking the organization. I wrote down Ryan polls is this is this roster the most overrated roster we've heard in that last couple of years? Listen, the Lions are missing players from last year and that looked like Georgia playing Cal Poly or something. It was crazy.
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Colin Coward
Yeah. And I, it's funny, I, I remember before Caleb got drafted, a good friend of mine is Steve Keim. And I said, you know, what do you make of jumping in the stands for Caleb Williams with his mom and crying and the fingernail polish? And Steve's not a real judgmental guy. And Steve was like, don't love it. He go, I'm not. He goes, you know, if a guy's talent, he's talented. He goes, but he's a very emotional player. And he goes, you know, and Steve has taught me this through the years. Like quarterback's one of those positions where you really need somebody that's even keel and puts out fires. Football is an incredibly emotional game. And as your teammates are getting emotional and the coaches are getting emotional, you know, when you're on. Tom Brady loved to celebrate. But in the moment of a game, Tom was very even keel. And Caleb's a very. You can see his sideline demeanor. He plays with a ton of emotion and he gets really amped up. He also lose. I think sometimes Caleb loses confidence when I watch him. Like his accuracy is all over the map. So that feels like a confidence and mechanics issue. And I don't know, I just look at it and I think this is a. This coach wants a certain quarterback stylistically probably much More like Sean Payton, where you can augment the timing game with. I mean, Bo Nixon and Sean. Bo moves. They move the pocket a lot for Bo Nix. As you should. But there's. I sat there today and my notes are all negative on Chicago.
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John Middelkoff
There was a couple plays a day in. And I'll take the L on Jalen hurts. I never thought in a million years he would be a functional NFL quarterback, let alone a Super bowl champion. And we can debate where he ranks or whatever, but there were a couple plays today where Spags brings the entire house and he sits in there to the last second and he throws his one on one matchup and he's going to get just Molly whopped. And one he hit the Smith and I think he missed another one. But it's just this guy just kind of knows what he's doing. And he's a athletic ad lib in theory, but he can play in big spots. Caleb, when sometimes there's pressure and there's nothing you can do, you got to kind of scramble. There are times where it's just like he's just taken off for years. Mark Slearith was one of the only guys saying everyone acts like these offensive linemen in Seattle suck. Maybe some of it's Russell Wilson, right? And remember, he would just run into sacks. And you watch him today when that head goes down and you just scramble into guys that is quarterback. One on one that the coaches hate, right? Head down and his head goes down and then he moves all the time like Mahomes. Whether he misses or makes the throw, his head's always up, moving around. Jalen hurts head always. Even Kyler. Kyler's head is up. Now he scrambles, probably sometimes at the wrong time, but his head's up, looking to throw. Caleb just looks in the ground and. And then it becomes I, I, this. There's no way this is sustainable. Obviously you start losing like this, but Ben Johnson's not going down with the ship with this guy.
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Colin Coward
Why?
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John Middelkoff
Because Sean Payton will go down with Bo Nix, right? That Andy Reid will go down with Mahomes. I'm not comparing those two situations, but my point is I'm all in on this guy. You can't convince me after a couple weeks that Ben Johnson is going to be all in with this guy for 17 games. It's. It's not possible. They're clearly the worst team in there. I mean, the packers look like a juggernaut. I mean, we saw the Lions. Turns out they're not as bad.
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Guest Analyst
Why?
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John Middelkoff
Because the packers are really good. And we'll see how Minnesota looks tonight. But clearly Minnesota is just. They just beat the Bears, so, I mean, they're just a better operation. The Bears are in major trouble going.
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Colin Coward
Yeah. And it. And I, and I. There's a reason in the preseason that Ben Johnson made a point. I mean, remember we came on this podcast and we said he was glowing with Tyson Bagen. He's so smart, man. He's having a great camp. And about a week later, they sign him to a very big backup contract. I think Caleb gets one more start. And if it's ugly, can Ben come out and go, listen, Caleb's going to be fine. You sell that to the media. But he needs a week off. He needs to get some stuff right. We need to figure out a way to get this ship going. I could see one more start. I really could. And then you go to Tyson Bajan.
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John Middelkoff
I would say you're crazy because once you bench them, you're done. But we just saw last year. Who knows? I mean, Bryce Young is any good or not, I have my reservations at this point, but Panthers just did it. And he was the number one overall pick as well. So we. There's precedent in the league of like, hey, you can bench a guy, bring him back. What are the Bears going to do? Lose more games? I mean, what. What are we talking about at this point? So, yeah, I would say moving forward, everything's on the table. And if you're Ben Johnson, like, you clearly don't care about feelings. You know, the one thing I didn't quite realize, he's wired. You know, he's not like a loosey goosey offensive coach, you know, like Kevin O'. Connell, Sean McVeigh always smiling like he feels more like a Shanahan son, like, kind of angry. Never smiles like this. This is just it's way. I bet against it to jump from the jump. It's way uglier than I thought. And today was like a referendum not just on Caleb, the entire organization. I mean, Ryan polls the roster thing.
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Colin Coward
I've watched panics. I would make a bet now that he can Play. I've watched J.J. mcCarthy to some degree, and it helps that he has Kevin o' Connell and Brian Flores, but he'll be able to play. Bo Nicks can play. Jaden's a star. Drake May doesn't have a ton of pocket presence, but again today, he moves the chains. I don't think he's great. I think he needs another year. I mean, that's what they said about Drake May, when he came in, he is unrefined, but it is very possible from what I've seen and it's not close. We're going to have five hits and one miss and the number one guy is going to be the worst quarterback in the class.
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John Middelkoff
I think the thing with Caleb Williams. Yeah, I mean it's sure headed that way right now. I mean he's a disaster. I don't care what stats you give me last year is. I think when you have that great of an arm and Caleb has a fantastic arm, I think sometimes you in which is human nature, maybe you struggle to develop other parts of your game. And the touch on his ball, to me that's glaring, like he just has no touch on the ball. And he's one of those guys that feels like he really struggles to kind of throw a softball, a change up. Because watching him play, did you realize he was this good of an athlete in college? Like he's. I knew he could scramble around, but.
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Colin Coward
He moves really well in person. When you see him, his head, his shoulders, he's six feet tall. He feels when you're around him like he's 6 4. He is thick and powerful.
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John Middelkoff
And wasn't that the thing with young Russ Wilson? It's like, wait, hey, he's got a huge arm, throws a great deep ball. But Russ had a lot of touch and maybe it was that. Was he a second baseman? Yeah, he had some feel to him. And you watch Caleb like he could not play second base. That ball would be Chuck Knobloch all over the place. And that to me is where you get the Ben Johnson stuff is like. Well, a huge part of his offense in his entire scheme is touch plays. Look at, look at Jared Goff today. A lot of it, it's. I mean he threw a couple bombs, but it's a lot of just get the ball out of your hands, couple steps, throw it across the middle, hit guys in stride. Even if you miss a little bit, throw it behind, give him a catchable ball. Caleb throws some balls that even Randy Moss or you know, Jerry Rice at their prime would have, would have a problem catching.
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Colin Coward
He rolls out a lot. I, I think you're. The one point you made that I really agree with is that he just puts his head down and he is now a running back and then they're just, it's just not working. Again. Roma Dunz is a very good player, but where's Luther Burden, this kid from Missouri, I mean Colston Loveland, you know, the tight end from Michigan where are they? I mean it's just, you've got to use, I mean I'm watching all these. Bo Nix is getting everybody touches for the Denver Broncos. Franklin, the Oregon kid, Mims, everybody's the tight ends. I mean he's spraying the ball around, everybody's getting touches. I mean in Chicago it's like if you're the gm, you got to be watching this thinking, bro, these are good players. So I'm almost interested in watching Tyson Bajan. I think offensively I think they actually have some skill and they're just not, they're not. Caleb's not equipped to get him the ball.
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John Middelkoff
Well, look at and I'm sure we'll talk about this game is the thing that stood out to me now whether they got lucky to win the game, we could probably argue all day long. Indianapolis Colts Obviously in a perfect world you would get a star quarterback, but if you just get me a point guard that can get me double digit assists even if he can't score now. And Daniel Jones actually is playing pretty well this year, but he's get.
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Colin Coward
They got good players.
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John Middelkoff
They got three or four wide receivers. They got this top 10 or more in the tight end because he went after level, he was making plays all day. They have a star running back and you're watching a guy just distribute and you're like this team's pretty physically gifted on their skill position, right? But you didn't feel that with Anthony Richardson because balls are skipping, he's running, he's getting sacked and Daniel Jones just get it to the guys, get it to the guys. They're just making plays.
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Colin Coward
They were 10 for 10 their first 10 possessions this year and to your point, their roster is excellent. I don't think Indy's a great team, but it's a prime example is they have a good roster and they're using every player on their roster. Offensively, every single one is contributing.
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The Buccaneers have a punt blocked, they give up a huge return, but yet then Houston, the Texans have a first and goal. And the Texans, it's easier for them to block a punt and get 20 yard gains from Nick Chubb for a touchdown than pick up two at the goal line. And so they just figured out Baker gets the ball last and you know, huge scramble, makes a play, goes 7 of 9 for 65 yards on the final drive and Tampa wins it. But Tampa had a disastrous special teams performance at various times. Mika Abuka, a great young receiver, dropped what should have been a huge play down the stretch. They struggled in pass protection with Baker Mayfield. But the NFL mostly comes down to in close games who makes the big plays with Under a minute 30 left and Tampa did. Baker with a huge scramble, Baker with a couple of ropes, Bucky Irving breaking tackles on that run. They just made their big plays. The last time they got the football, the Texans made several big plays in the third quarter. So it's such a go either way league. But I was watching neither quarterback. I mean, again, Texans are 02, bucks two. And oh, and a lot of it is circumstantial. Tampa's just made big plays on the road against Atlanta, big plays against Houston, and Baker Mayfield is a big part of that. And I was thinking about this today, I was writing this down going into this game because I think C.J. stroud and Baker Mayfield both have gotten their teams into the playoffs. Think about this. I'm going to name the quarterbacks right now that are capable of winning double digit games or getting to the playoffs. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Burrow, C.J. stroud, Baker Herbert, Goff Hertz, Dax Stafford, Jordan Love, Kyler Murray, Geno Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Sam Darnold, Bo Nixon, Jaden Daniels, Brock Purdy, Tua Tua has been a Pro Bowler. Trevor Lawrence, you know, he did get his team and won a playoff game. That's 21 quarterbacks in 32 teams. I'm not counting Mac Jones, Daniel Jones or Russell Wilson who had great games yesterday when they have the right coach and the right fit. I'm not counting Michael Penix or Cam Ward or Drake May, who I think are going to make it in this league. I'm not counting Caleb Williams or J.J. mcCarthy, who I'm not sure of at this moment in time. Caleb's certainly talented enough, but total between all those quarterbacks, 28. So there's a lot of guys that can spit it in this league. But it comes down to, I mean, Buccaneers go on the road, punts, blocked returns, surrendered. I mean, dropped passes, sacks, multiple sacks. Baker Mayfield was a pinata for a couple series and they figure out how to win games. And it's just like the Denver Colts game. That's a go either way game. There's an iffy, sketchy call by the officials. Shane Steichen does actually a poor job coaching on that final drive. He admits it. After that, he got too conservative. But they get an officiating break and they win. And by the way, they made a great interception on Bo Nicks in the fourth quarter. So the Colts also had several big plays offensively. Daniel Jones was humming at key moments in that game. But so much of this game, it's just coaching and quarterback play and who gets the ball last and who makes the last big play in a game. And I know you, I think, you know, you think I don't like Baker Mayfield, but I do think the offensive coaching is the best it's ever been in my life. And that's why you're seeing Geno Smith and Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and Mac Jones yesterday. That was the best game Mac Jones has ever played. Well, it's Kyle Shanahan. So the offensive coaching in this league is really spectacular right now. And what it allows is for quarterbacks who may fail in their first organization, that eventually Baker Mayfield goes to the Rams and then he goes to Tampa Bay and eventually he finds his way. And Sam Darnold goes to Carolina and the jets, then he goes to San Francisco. Understands the system. Kevin o' Connell likes him. Now he's in Seattle and he's going to win a lot more games in Seattle. So eventually the message is, in the NFL, if you're talented enough, you will find a good offensive coach or a great situation. Tampa is perfect for Baker. Tampa is a little bit of a pirate ship, an Ebor city and a little bit of a rebel and an outcast city. It can be a party town, it can be a retirement place, but it's always been with Jason Light, the gm, they've got tons of talent. They've always had talent. But until they got Tom Brady and then Baker they couldn't get the quarterback, quarterback right. You know, Brad Johnson won a Super bowl, but it was a stacked roster. But, but Tampa's got players. They've won their division, what, two, three years in a row and good gm, good quarterback play and they've kind of now feel like they're in control of this division. So I, I picked them to win this division and you know, it, it comes down to if you give me the best quarterback in a division, I like my chances to make it into the playoffs like Kansas City with Mahomes is eventually probably going to get his Xavier worthy, healthy Rasheed Rice will come back. They'll figure out a way to win 10 games and get into the playoffs. They're too good defensively, too good of a coach, too good of a defensive coordinator. Mahomes is too talented. They'll figure out how to win 10 games. But you know, as I, as I watch this game, it could drive you sports betters crazy. I liked, I actually like Houston tonight, so. And I thought they had it with two huge specialty teams. Plays they earned, both of them. Legitimate block punt, great return. The referees picked up the flag, but Baker gets the ball last and has got all sorts of weapons. In Tampa, Chris Godwin wasn't available. He's been banged up throughout his career. And so I get ready for Raiders and the Chargers tonight. You know the other thing, I got a couple of texts after my show today from people in the National Football League in the front office and they were agreeing with me on my take today about quarterbacks. Mike Sando also wrote an article about this. Justin Fields is banged up again and Joe Burrow is banged up again. It's not that they deserve to be hurt, but there is a skill to Brady and Eli Manning and certain NFL players staying healthy. Now some guys like Josh Allen are just simply bigger and can take more, are more durable. But even Big Ben and Cam Newton, who are huge men like 652-566-265, Big Ben aged very quickly. Cam Newton aged overnight. Why they took too many hits. And so Josh Allen similarly gets beat up. And I worry about that could age him. Now he does have a great left tackle. They have now with James Cook, developed a run game. And so they're not as reliant on him. They actually run more statistically if you look at the data than people would think with the Bills. But some of this is just, you've got to know your body. You know, Baker Mayfield, who like tonight, you know, there's a couple times Baker's A great quarterback. If you give him two and a half seconds and let him plant his right foot, he throws a beautiful ball. For the record, so does C.J. stroud. Baker throws a beautiful ball. When it breaks down, Baker plays with so much confidence and so much emotion when the, when the, you know, the pass blocking breaks down, sometimes Baker extends a play and shouldn't. And I think that's just, it's a little reckless, but I think that's his personality. You know, Baker is, you know, he's a fullback that plays quarterback, he's a linebacker that plays quarterback. He likes the physicality of the sport. But even as big and strong as Andrew Luck was, it just takes its toll. So I really do believe there is a skill in this league to staying on the field. Eli Manning was the master of just letting go of the ball, getting rid of it. And there's also. Players think how big, strong and physical Anthony Richardson was for the Colts. But he couldn't get the pre snap stuff down. He couldn't spot blitzes and would get just hammered two or three times a game. And despite his size, Anthony Richardson was dinged up a lot. Justin Fields is a big, athletic, twitchy athlete. He gets banged up a lot. So listen, the Bengals are a cheap organization that should spend more on the offensive line. I mean, to me, I've always looked at it like your quarterback is your Bentley. The offensive line is the insurance policy. You wouldn't own a beautiful car without an insurance policy. So it's the most important unit on the field is protecting your asset, the franchise, the quarterback. Cincinnati can't figure that out. So it's just time and time again you kind of roll your eyes at the Bengals, but some of it is on quarterbacks. Not. Sometimes you gotta just let a play end and move on to the next play. And it's very hard for guys like Baker Mayfield who are super hyper competitive. He's just trying to, he's squeezing every ounce of talent out of his frame. But Baker tonight just took, took some shots that he should not take because this, this team in Tampa has got a pretty good defensive front. They have some nice weapons, but if Baker's not playing, they're not a playoff team. Baker is a huge, huge, the most important part of them dominating that division the last several years. And by the way, coaches also get second chances. Todd Bowles in New York didn't feel he quite, he wasn't quite ready to be a head coach. He's done a great job in Tampa. They always come with surprises, always make Big plays. They just had a really bad night in special teams. But Tampa wins at 20 to 19, and that is the NFL. Look at the Buccaneers. First two games. They could be 02. They're two. And, oh, they got the quarterback. They made a couple of key situational plays. They have played completely imperfect football. And the Bucks are two. And, oh, with two very narrow wins. All right, Josh Pate joining us. He cuts through like nobody else with college football, obviously. Host of Josh Page College Football show, which is fantastic. So I got into this discussion the other day. I'm known as a USC homer, so. And I lean into it because I think it's obnoxious and funny, but whatever. We all have our team or our region or whatever. And I was talking to a friend the other day who's a UCLA Bruin, and I said, I just don't think. I don't think UCLA is a good job. I think it's one of those where it sounds like it should be good. You're like, oh, there's a lot of money in Bel Air, but it's an international university. NIL punishes college football programs. You can make. You can be a top 10 college basketball program with about 4 million a year in college basketball. If you're not at 16 to 18, which is where USC's at now. I mean, there's a reason USC's defensive front looks better. They bought a lot of it. So my take with UCLA is they are bottom half of the Big Ten in nil because it's in Bel Air. Josh, you can't really. And it's a public university. Your coaches have to drive 45 minutes or an hour to work. I don't think it's a good job. I do not think it's a good job. If I was an agent, I would not send my best clients there. I don't think it has a huge brand. You tell me you live in Nashville. I spent eight, nine years in Los Angeles. I don't think it's a good. I don't think it's a good. I don't think It's a top 30 college football job.
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Guest Analyst
I would go further. I don't think it's top 45. Like, you're talking about multiple G5 jobs that are better than UCLA, than UCLA. And I, when we say that, by the way, I know people who don't live in this world and who don't immerse themselves in it. They. They almost think you have an ax to grind like you just talked about. Oh, that's usc. Well, dude, I grew up in Harris County, Georgia, so I got no dog in this fight. I'm just telling you what I perceive. But I could be wrong. So then you ask around and you ask, forget agents. Yeah, of course agents are echoing that to me, Colin. I just go to coaches when I, when I see a coach's name in the running for these jobs, I'll just go to the coach and I'll ask him and they'll usually shoot straight with you. And I just think probably even I've been a little taken back by how many people who in a previous lifetime we would look at, at the job they're at and you would think, oh, it's a slam dunk. Yeah, if he can get the UCLA job, he's going to take it. That in the modern day look at it and say, dude, there's no way. And we're not just talking about head coaches. Like I'm telling you, there are coordinators out there. There are pretty high level coordinators out there that would not leave where they are right now for the UCLA job. And you mentioned it's bottom half of the Big Ten. Well, that's in a vacuum. So yes, it's bottom half of Big Ten in vacuum. But then like you said, when you factor in, hey, if you take the Indiana job, I mean you could do like signity and blow it up. But even if it's not what signidi has made it, you're going to live in Bloomington, Indiana, very affordable. So you're asking me to go take a bottom half job. You're going, asking me to be distant second in my own town. You're asking me to be second on my own campus when it comes to the athletic department. You're asking me to take over a place where the NIL infrastructure is really discombobulated. They're not fractionally as put together in football as they are for basketball there. And you're asking me, by the way, to compete with superpower programs like Oregon and Ohio State and Penn State and Michigan. There's just, I, I don't have much good to say about it. I wish I was wrong. I wish you were wrong. We're not.
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Colin Coward
Yeah, I mean I, and the football stadiums 45 minutes off campus. I think there was a time when you could, you could get away. There was a time when it was Terry Donahue and then Dick Vermeil and it would get on ABC and it was part of the PAC 12 and there was something to be said about, you're playing it in the Rose bowl, and the weather was cold everywhere else. And now you're like, oh, it's warm in ucla. Like, I could see a quarterback or wide receivers, and they do put guys in the NFL. But I think there was a moment when Chip Kelly said, I'd rather go be a coordinator in a Big Ten school than the coach of ucla. And to me, it's like, oh, that's the tipping point. Because Chip knows. You know Chip. Chip's coached at Oregon. He's coached at the NFL. He's like, no. Yeah. And I know Chip. Chip was at my 60th birthday party. Chip likes LA. Chip and his wife love LA. It's not that he's not an outsider. So, you know, it's funny, I said years ago, I felt this. I don't feel it anymore. I said, years ago, I thought the Texas job, I said, take away the top three quarterbacks in the NFL, whoever has those, and they're in their prime. Those are the best football jobs in America. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, you know, those are the best jobs. You have an NFL pension, your coaches don't leave, you don't have to recruit players. But I always said, fourth is Texas. And as we talk about what kind of job it is, I always think, like, Texas is the best college job. Ohio State, Georgia. Then we can argue, like, Notre Dame. There's an academic umbrella. It's kind of, you know, it's in the middle of nowhere, it's small, it's private, bad weather. I mean, my wife wouldn't be overjoyed to move to South Bend, Indiana. Like, all things considered. If I said to you, top five jobs, I want you to consider pressure, pay, conference, geographic location. Remember Oregon, you know, as an outsider, if you don't have a lot of players in your state, you generally don't have a good program. Phil Knight changes that. California changes it. If I said to you, top five programs, all things considered, where are you?
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Guest Analyst
You're going to think I'm joking with you, but Kentucky football would be the job that I would want to take. Mark Stoops makes close to $10 million a year. The goal there is to win seven games. Rural Kentucky, you can be there forever. He's got a massive buyout, and unlike a lot of these other guys, he is the only place where you blend SEC pay scale without SEC pressure. I, I, I just, I can't believe people don't look at Mark Stoops and say, that guy figured it out. Now, if you do want to compete for a national championship, the answer is The University of Georgia. Georgia has long been that. And I remember when Saban was at Alabama and everyone would look at Saban and is he going to go to Texas? But I remember someone saying, no, forget Saban to Texas. Like, yeah, if he were to take that job, it would suck for Alabama, but he'd do probably the same thing at Texas. I don't think you could dominate much more than Saban did at Alabama. But what people kept saying was, you need to be paying attention to what happens with Georgia. This was like the Mark Richt Georgia era.
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Colin Coward
Yeah.
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Guest Analyst
Georgia for a long time. I grew up there for a long time. Georgia, like, good was the enemy of great. And they were just good. It was pretty good. It was kind of good.
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Colin Coward
Yeah.
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Guest Analyst
And there was this. There was this, like, nether region. They were never bad enough for a firing to happen. They were never good enough to win the title. And the rest of the SEC was so happy with Georgia being like that. And finally it got to a tipping point. I really think Saban and to an extent, Urban Meyer turned the heat up in the SEC enough to where Georgia made a move. And then Georgia went and got Nick Saban's guy and Kirby Smart. And the day they hired Smart, there's no guarantees in this world. But I thought to myself, if that is the guy that can replicate Saban's model or come roughly close to it, if you take those ingredients and you throw them in Athens, Georgia, I just thought it was a powder keg. The likes of which in a generation prior to me being born, they used to talk about Florida. You read the books, you listen to the interviews, you. You read the Paul Bear Bryant quotes when he was at Bama of hoping no one ever figures out Florida, because if anyone ever figured out the University of Florida, then that'd be a monster to deal with. So Kentucky, if I don't want to win a title, Georgia, if I do want to win a title, would be my two answers.
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Colin Coward
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Guest Analyst
About a B minus. B minus to B, I think. Look, first off, I love BK as well, so he's never rubbed me the wrong way.
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Colin Coward
We.
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Guest Analyst
I mean, I've gotten along great with him. I think that he walked in there like I told you 20 minutes ago, and there has always been a very, very unique connection culturally. Just the fabric of Louisiana and LSU football that I. Yeah, I don't think you can fully appreciate it unless you've been down there for a long time.
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Colin Coward
That's right. I totally agree.
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Guest Analyst
And he walked in and his attitude, frankly, I can't blame him for having. Cause I think I would have been the same way if I were him. I would have walked in and said, basically, I'm Brian Kelly. I know what I'm doing. I know what the formula to win is. And contrary to what you people think, the formula to win in South Bend is the same as it is here. Get good players, develop them, Buy into the process. We define around here, and we'll win. And I think he heard about Louisiana this, Louisiana that, to the point where he almost wanted to prove a point. And dude, when I tell you he flushed Louisiana out of that building, I mean, some people that it wouldn't have mattered whether they stayed or went. Desk receptionist. Oh, you're from Thibodeau. Buy. So he flushed that place of Louisiana. Now, it wouldn't have mattered if they won immediately, but they didn't. And because they Didn't. Internally and culturally down there, that's been held over his head. Now on Saturdays, they're fully behind him.
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John Middelkoff
All right.
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Guest Analyst
In recruiting weekends, they're fully behind him. But there are a lot of people that have an I told you so attitude towards Brian Kelly.
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Colin Coward
Yeah.
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Guest Analyst
His own state. Because he did that. Well, organizationally, university wise, they course corrected collectively. I don't really think that decision was entirely on his plate, if you get what I'm saying.
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Colin Coward
Right.
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Guest Analyst
You know, you bring Blake Baker down there as your defensive coordinator, you bring Austin Thomas in as your gm. These are people, you cut them open and it's purple and gold and. And not only that, they're the best in the world, some of the best in the world at what they do. And it's no coincidence that lsu, you all of a sudden.
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Colin Coward
Right.
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Guest Analyst
Feel it.
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Colin Coward
You.
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Guest Analyst
You can sense it. You could, you could have sensed it.
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Colin Coward
Their defense, their defense looks like big boy defense. Like, like, I mean that was the thing last year. They were atrocious. So to me, I never worried about Brian's offenses. Like, I think he'll always figure those out. He's rough on quarterbacks. But LSU's defense is like Georgia. When you got the right coach. It's just all NFL players. It's 11 guys who will eventually play in the. On Sunday. Yeah.
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Guest Analyst
Which, which was shocking that you have Jaden Daniels there a couple years ago. And if you told me LSU was going to have a Heisman Trophy caliber quarterback come through, I just blindly say national championship. Tell me who the coach is. I mean, I'm rolling out a top 25 defense if my mom's the DC there. As long as you're keeping in state, kids in state. So for that to have failed them was mind boggling. It's just like, like Mario not being able to stop anything last year at Miami with Cam Ward. Crazy. So it's funny that we've talked about this because I feel there's a very, very like closely correlated story that's been told over the past few years in college football about Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley. Ironically, the whispers were initially, oh, Lincoln may take the LSU job. Well then he winds up at, at usc. So then LSU goes and gets Brian Kelly and they both had the wrong defensive coordinators at the outset and then they both corrected and now they're both massively improved defensively. I just feel like the story arc is headed for a playoff matchup one day. I just feel like get usc, LSU one day. But I do agree with you and it's I don't think it's something that'll really be appreciated by them unless he wins a national championship there. Because everybody else this millennium has. Who's been the head coach at lsu.
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Colin Coward
Yeah, I mean, listen, Ed Orgeron, who's a very funny guy I love Ed, does not consider a schematic, you know, kingpin of the sport. He's a recruiter. I mean, for years I thought he was more of a position coach, like a line coach than even a coordinator. Broke his heart when he didn't get the USC job. And then I would argue today that LSU team with Burrow is the most talented I've ever seen. Period. End of story. I mean, they had the hardest schedule, won every game. So if Ed can do it, and that's not a knock like he's. I mean, Ed would be the first to admit. Ed. Ed never scheduled a bad time. Ed was a distracted, funny, great guy. But I think Brian's too good of a coach. The older I get, I tend to just look at people, and if I have to hire somebody or something at the volume, hire smart people, they'll figure it out, is my rule. And I think Brian. It took him a while. I mean, it just. It took a while. He couldn't get the accent down. But eventually, I think three years in, like, I feel like they've got figured it out.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah, they're one of the teams I'm looking most forward to watching here. The SEC is just going to be a bloodbath by the end of this thing. And they're. They're one that, you know, the Clemson game goes the way it does. I was actually glad this week he publicized the Garrett Nussmeier injury because it's kind of been whispered about in the south that Nussmire had injury leading up to that week one game against Clemson. Like an abdominal thing never got publicized. And they. They go and win on the road. And then they were very lackluster in Week 2 against an inferior opponent. And then Week 3, Lagway turns the ball over five times, and LSU wins 20 to 10. And you can clearly tell, hey, we're undefeated. Something feels a little off offensively, right? Well, your quarterback's been hurt.
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John Middelkoff
That's.
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Guest Analyst
That's what's been off. Here's the thing, though. There are teams with healthy quarterbacks that are one and two right now, and you're three and, oh, that's the surest sign that the defense is fixed.
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Colin Coward
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