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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Bye Eagles Bye, Indiana vs Miami Preview, SEC Dominance Is OVER
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Chris Simms
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Colin Cowherd
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Chris Simms
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Colin Cowherd
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Chris Simms
Mean, I think that's one of the worst playoff losses you'll ever see. I mean, the 49ers, they lose their best player with what in the first quarter with the torn Achilles. So the ramifications, the ripple effects that has me, he's best friends with use check McCaffrey, they don't flinch. Sirianni doesn't do anything to impact the game.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Chris Simms
He doesn't call the place. So it's, it's, it's Kevin Patola and Vic Fangio against Kyle and Robert Sala, which is a massive advantage. The Eagles. You know, it's reported this morning Lane Johnson, right, was going to go and then he couldn't go. Well, that doesn't impact this game because the 49ers can't rush the passer. You know, Charles Haley ain't walking through that door to, to me to get two interceptions from Brock, especially the one in the second half. The Niners are up by, by one point. They're in full control. There's what, seven, eight minutes left to go when he throws that interception. Colin, against a good playoff team, that game would be over. On the road it would. But the Eagles, they're two interceptions. They got three points total out of it. They can't move the ball at the end. You can always manipulate a little bit when you go in that two minute up tempo. Most teams in the NFL move it more than they normally do, but with that much talent on the field. And listen, A.J. brown is a fantastic talent, but if you're going to talk that much and hate on your quarterback that much and make that much money, you got to come through because listen, if the Niners lose this game that Purdy would have, you know, bore some responsibility. You can't turn the ball over in the second half because you're in the game. The game's weird. You got a shot, but you got to give him credit. They got the ball back. He drove right down the field. He made a big run, he made some big throws. Mental toughness right there, Colin. And great coach by the way.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I've defended Darnold on interceptions. Brock Purdy had two today. He still outplayed Jalen. Hurts. I just don't. Oh, and by the way, one of Purdy's picks was awful. The other one, you know, it's windy. I give, I give both these quarterbacks a pass. I mean, A.J. brown, twice they threw the ball down the field. He was like a center fielder that lost it in the lights. Like he you know, the ball's moving. He's a punt returner almost. He can't, he can't quite get it again. Purdy throws the ball down the field. You almost have to bake in one bad pick a Sunday for Purdy. Like that's just kind of who he is. And that's why I always say about Darnold, Matt Stafford, he throws some really ugly picks. But I'll tell you this, here's the thing about Purdy, it doesn't affect him. He's not affected by interceptions because he has so much confidence. First of all, how about the, I mean the opening drive. Here's the coaching. San Francisco, the opening drive. I mean, devastatingly brilliant. San Francisco 7 nothing. The trick played a Jennings, probably the best timing for an over the top. I mean, I'm not talking like a hook and lateral, you know, or you know, there's some stuff in the red zone that's cute, but it's like 12 yards. That was a big trick play. I'm not. You know what I thought of when I saw that? The last time I saw a trick play so perfectly called, it was Edelman. Patriots, Ravens, remember that. Throwing out to the flat. Edelman throws. It's a double pass. I think he threw it to either Chris Hogan or what it might have been Amadola.
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Chris Simms
It was Hogan or amid.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, like that's what it reminded me of. Like, oh my God. That says. That takes a special kind of offensive coach because you know you have that thing in the bag. You probably wanted to use it three times. I thought between the opening drive, the trick play and Purdy's perseverance to overcome the picks, not care about just it. It. To me it was just a masterclass in winning a rough, tough, few mistake road game. That's how you win in the NFL when you don't play perfect.
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Chris Simms
Well, listen, Kyle in niner land, right? It's a, it's an intense fan base. The expectations are high. Can get criticized. He was 8 and 4 coming into this game in the playoffs. Now he's 9 and 4. And the difference, you know, Sirianni had a good playoff record coming into this, but we all look at their team and go, yeah, it's a lot of Howie Roseman. Like you watch this game, you're like, yeah, that's Salah and Kyle with, with Purdy and use check. DeMarcus Robinson, Colin, they're throwing the guys number 81. There's not a soul in America beside the guy's family that's ever heard of the player, you know, Eric Hendricks felt like was out of the league a couple years ago. They're on, as Brady said, they're on their seventh, eighth and ninth linebackers, they have no pass rush. They are dead last in the league, you know, like the jets last in the league in interceptions. 49ers are last in the league in pass rush. But we all go. It's not really their fault. They're just missing everybody. You know that Nick Bose is third on the team in sacks. He hasn't been on the play the game in three months. So I think today was, you know, people try to argue for Sirianni and listen, he's won a lot of games, but if you pulled everyone in the NFL, I mean, the two coaches today, it ain't even close. And this was. Say what you want about Kyle, and this is the thing I always respect. We'll get into McVeigh. A lot of these young coaches, they get pass happy. You saw Liam. These are fantastic coaches. Kyle's old school man. He will run it even early in the game. It's like Kyle, call some passes. He is, he is wired much more like a guy from his dad's era. And that plays to the playoffs. And what did they do tonight? They made this game weird. And the Eagles, they've played in that game what, 17 times this year that they ended up winning a lot of them. But today they got into a spot where like this coaching staff and Brock, a lot of experience, mental toughness. We'll talk about this, I'm sure, during the draft time upstairs. You and I have talked about this before, just playing the position, but I thought when he threw that pick, I'm like, oh, my God, he's going to. But he's not. Mental experience, like, that's why they like him. You know, even me, I was like, I'm like, they're going to lose this game. And he drove him right down the field.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, they also had a really bad punt that Philadelphia got a field goal out of two interceptions. There was every reason in the world to lose this game. You, you could have.
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Chris Simms
Sky Moore caught a punt at the five yard line tonight. What are you doing?
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Colin Cowherd
I, I honestly, I, I almost said I, I'm not into firing people. That's not my thing. I mean, there's, there's times when you see certain coaches, you're like, okay, they're totally over their skis. Brandon Staley was about as hard as.
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Chris Simms
I've ever been in a coach, Tom.
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Colin Cowherd
And that's not what we have here. But I do think there's a discussion. Sirianni's barking it. I mean, A.J. brown, this is embarrassing. I mean, San Francisco walked in and remember, Vic Fangio is a respected defensive coordinator. This falls on Sirianni and the offensive staff. I mean, you and I both know that Jalen hurts. I mean, I always laugh. People in Philadelphia, they know the truth. I run into Eagle fans everywhere in this country and they're always like, you're too nice to Jalen hurts. And I always say I love his intangibles. I think he's a great kid, great at the podium, great leader, tough, resilient. And he does throw a nice deep ball. But you can see the limitations here. On that final drive, two balls were almost intercepted. I mean, they, I thought they were going to score. I'm like, oh, my God, they got that hurts. Got that huge Dallas Goddard completion, then Devonte Smith and I'm like, oh, oh, okay. San Francisco's tired, they're at home. And then all of a sudden he sails one, then another one's almost intercepted. He. He is a very limited. If you take out the deep ball, he is a pretty limited pocket quarterback. And Brock Purdy is not. Brock Purdy gets banged up a lot. Brock Purdy can be a bit reckless. Brock's pretty damn good from the pocket. He's pretty good in a muddy pocket.
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Chris Simms
And the, the other thing is, Tom was showing that with the wind. Throw it down. Well, it's like, Tom, you're 6, 5, 6, 6, so you could look down.
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Josh Pate
Brock.
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Chris Simms
Brock can't, like, he can't even attempt that to throw it down. He's just not tall enough. But the one thing Purdy does that Jalen just no longer does is leans into his legs. There were times if Jay, if the Eagles wanted to win this game, Jalen should have had 15 carries today because the 49ers never would have stopped it. They, they're playing with third stringers at linebacker. They're playing with a guy that probably thought he was retired two years ago, but he doesn't want to run he. The Conversation. 49er fans know a lot about this, the Russell thing that happened, right? I want to be a pocket quarterback. Russell, lean into your skill. Your skill's an all timer. You're the greatest playmaker we've ever seen. Jalen's a great playmaker, but he won't. He just wants to play like Tom Brady in it. It does not work. And the OC's done. I mean, he's one thing in Philly. They will not tolerate that. He'll be I'm sure fired in the next 48 hours. He was already in trouble. But it's. You could bring in Kellen Moore, you can bring in Shane Siken if he's not going to move. I don't care if Walsh is calling the offense. They're going to have problems because look, you know, Kyle's offense is predicated a lot on Purdy and Pretty has no problem. He'll take off and run. It's not like. Well, I don't, I want to prove I'm a. What do we got to do to win? Well, Jalen today to beat this team, you know Saquon that they were selling out to stop Saquon. He had some moments but then he gets banged up.
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Colin Cowherd
Just take off, bro.
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Chris Simms
They were not Jalen. You know, unlike Lamar and Michael Vick, these guys that were like track star speed. Jalen actually is much more like a Frank Gore. But his instincts as a running back are elite when he's in the open field. But he hates doing it.
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Colin Cowherd
Clearly he doesn't, he doesn't want to do it Pretty. Now four of his five playoff wins are game winning drives.
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Chris Simms
You got to give him credit column that that was impressive.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I was saying when he threw his second pick, first one was ugly. Second one, it's windy, it's, it's man to man coverage. I have always defended Darnold. I remember when Purdy on a Monday night football game had three picks against Carolina and I said he's not healthy. You can tell the ball's dying. Purdy's ball doesn't die. Remember he threw those two over the middle picks. They both died. They were both behind the receiver. And I said this isn't the real Purdy. Purdy's ball doesn't die. He's got a good arm. He doesn't have a great arm, but he's got a good arm. He also was 5 for 7,126 passer rating once they lost Kittle. I, I'm, I, by the way, I've seen Purdy in the last month win twice without Kittle. So that to me is growth. They had Trent Williams, but I, I, this Shanahan has a real offensive philosophy. I'll go back to Nick Sirianni. What is his. You don't see, you see the coaching with Kurt Signetti. You saw the coaching today with Kyle Shanahan. You don't see it with Sirianni.
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Chris Simms
What is he what well, can I and how he's probably going to get mad at me about this. But they made a mistake. AJ clearly wanted out. It was not going well. They should have traded him at the trade deadline. Because one thing that was very evident today is the, for the 49ers guys. And by the time they were, you know, halftime of this game, it's, it's use check. McCaffrey's probably 60%. Some random wide receivers, they're 10 toes deep all in. They are going to go down swinging. They are all to get. Trent Williams is playing probably 70% with a hamstring. It is no point. They, they really like each other. AJ Brown's like, drops the balls, like, whatever, you know, I'll be gone anyway in a couple months. Anytime you bring that in, you got him and Sirianni barking at each other. And listen, I know Brady's like, hey, emotions. There's this different between just emotions players, these two, this whole thing now, I've.
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Colin Cowherd
Been on this for two years. Get him out of here. Devonte Smith is a number one. Goddard is one of the top six tight ends in. This is a team that doesn't need a number one. They've got one in Devonte. Devonte's a low one. AJ's a higher one. But I think what bothered me was the effort, you know, because A.J. brown complains a lot and he, he had that ball that he kind of lost. So they went back to him and he did it again. And that's when Sirianni raced down. It was if to say, bro, you are barking a lot. We threw you a ball twice. You went 0 for 2. And those are catchable balls.
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Chris Simms
That thing, that thing just catches up to you, you know, And I think today was very, very evident about the fractures internally, because the one thing you say, their defense is really good. I mean, the Eagles defense took a trick play. I mean, it took, you know, their offense just going three and out, punting constantly. Their defense was fine. They had a defense that you could win a Super bowl with. They feel like the crappiest talented offense I've ever seen because there's no disputing the talent they have on the offense. Right. I mean, it's. It's really hard to watch, but they don't have a coach. The play caller, first time calling plays, just completely outmatched. You saw Robert Sala, who. I mean, it sucks for 49 people. He's probably going to get a head job. You know, I think that his jets tenure felt like it aged better with every game they played. You know, Sam Darnold, too. I just think that, that, that was, that was one of the best Kyle Shanahan jobs you'll ever see. They had one against Green Bay, remember in a cold game against Aaron Rodgers. He had won the MVP and they blocked a punt, but that team was much better. This team had no business. They would have probably been in a game against Carolina like, let alone the talent of that Eagle team on the road in the, in the, under the lights for as great of a win as this for Kyle and the 49ers. And it is, that's one of the worst playoff losses you'll ever see. It really is. When you factor in the talent here.
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Colin Cowherd
Sirianni preaches, win the turnover battle, you're at home, you win the turnover battle. I mean, think about that.
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Chris Simms
You get a second half interception, George.
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Colin Cowherd
Kittle gets hurt, the niners have a 27 yard punt, everything lined up and you still couldn't win. And again, I'll say it, when you watch great coaching, you can see the coaching through the television. Vic Fangio's coaching. I can see Brian, I can see Brian Flores coaching defensively, hyper, aggressive. I have no idea what the Eagles offensive philosophy is. That's why they are so coordinator dependent like McVeigh and Shanahan. Andy Reid are not coordinated. Appendant Harbaughn, his career hasn't been coordinator dependent. Nick Sirianni is completely, utterly coordinator dependent. And in the end, 23 1990ers win, by the way.
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Chris Simms
So I got one for you really quick, Colin. I mean, if you were Philly, you know, he worked from 1998 to 2007 for the Philadelphia Eagles, would you be very interested in John Harbaugh because he's just a way better.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, God.
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Chris Simms
Sirianni.
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Colin Cowherd
But, but I don't know if Howie Roseman wants somebody that has that much personality, culture and power. Like Howie struggled with Chip Kelly. Remember, he battled with Chip because Chip sees the world differently. Harbaugh's not coming in and having a GM that makes all the calls. I think he'd be great, but I don't think he works. Kevin Stefanski, who doesn't have any interest in the personnel like an Andy Reid, like, he's very respectful of the position. Stefanski wants the coach. Oh, I could see Stefanski going there in a heartbeat.
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Chris Simms
They already got the defense set up. You got the defensive coordinator under contract, you got the players, you got players on offense. I think, listen, the OC has been a polarizing individual all season long. I think the Sirianni thing will get loud here in the next. I mean, that's Philadelphia. It's what makes the city great.
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Colin Cowherd
49Ers now will go to Seattle. Seattle is a six and a half point favorite. According to Hard Rock Bet. The Rams will be a 4 1/2 point favorite at the Bears. I don't know. I think I would.
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Chris Simms
You said a Rams are four and a half point favorite.
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Colin Cowherd
I think I would probably take both dogs. I would take the Niners plus six and a half to keep it close. Although you can prepare now knowing Kittle's not going to play. That hurts. Also, also, this is a really physical game. Let's just wait for injuries on San Francisco bears plus four and a half. I'm telling you, soldier Fields, 26 miles from my house. It's like I could hear the place at the end of that. That place was wild. Four and a half is a lot of points. It's going to be really cold and crappy weather. Yeah, yeah. I think I like the, I feel.
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Chris Simms
Like the, the Angels and the football gods are just hanging out in Chicago this year. So I, I wouldn't touch the Bears at this point. The Niners, you know, Chicago, I would say the thing with Chicago and the 49ers, their seasons were both validated Saturday night and Sunday afternoon, Sunday night like this, they're playing with house money. The thing you would say with Chicago, they just still have more firepower, you know, dressing out on game day. So you can never count them out because offensively, I mean, Loveland look like Kelsey in his prime. The other receivers, they have, I mean, Caleb's magic. It does feel like the 49ers. It's going to be hard to not be out of gas after, after losing George Kittle, who really is the heartbeat of the operation. He's so good. Terry's Achilles. I, I, I'd be, I, it's a pretty good spot for Seattle. You just killed them. I think you'll get some fight, but I would imagine that's not going to be a nice weather game. Seattle mid January and I don't know, they don't have the game times, do they?
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Colin Cowherd
No, not yet.
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Chris Simms
I, I would say that's a pretty good draw. I'm sure we'll get into the Rams, but, you know, the, this might open up a little bit for the Rams. You get the Eagles defense out of there. You know, they get a lineup if they can take care of Chicago, which is going to be difficult with a matchup with a team they know very well in Seattle. So they, they, they got life after yesterday. God, they looked weird.
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Colin Cowherd
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I went and looked today. Six of the seven top quarterbacks next season, Dante Moore, Mayava Underwood, Sand Sellers Soaresby, the Big 12 kid that goes from Cincinnati to Texas Tech. Six of the top seven outside of Arch Manning are non SEC quarterbacks. Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, Michigan with Whittingham is going to be a very good football team immediately. They have a ton of talent. Say what you want. They they they stock the cupboard. So Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan should be top 10 teams next year. USC, Washington are as talented as they have been in the last five or six years that Washington had a great recruiting class. They've been good in the portal. SC just had the number one recruiting class. So I think USC, Washington and Penn State are somewhere between 10th and 15th or 16th is I was told this weekend by an agent that he said listen, SEC coaches privately, they know it's over. Like they just know. You see Alabama lost two stars now. They went to the sec, they went to Texas oil money. But it was funny when I watched Ole Miss because I watched Georgia this year not only lose to Ole Miss, lose to Bama once, but they could have lost to Tennessee, Florida and Auburn like they just weren't the same team. Is that it's in it's interesting to watch Indiana now and I think we have to be honest about it because Mark Cuban just wrote a 12 or 15 million dollars check. Indiana now is a national power. Ohio State's now a national power. Oregon is not playing Indiana. If Oregon was playing anybody else, not name Indiana, they're a national power. Michigan with Whittingham will be a really, really, really good team. Like John I think when I look at it now, and this is why the world changes, I was watching the story on Boeing today and everybody's like Boeing now in the last six months. Boeing was a wreck nine months ago it was just a mess. It was completely dysfunctional. Boeing just turned it around. You can do this in business and you can now do it in the transfer portal. I think everybody has to just realize right now Indiana, between their coach and Their nil is a better football program than anybody in the sec. They have a better coach and they have easier access to massive eight figure capital annually. That, this, that is hard to wrap your brain around. But I'm sitting there watching Indiana and I'm like, just, if you put George's uniform on Indiana, you'd be like this. This is unbelievable. This is what they are now. Indiana is with Signetti in their, in their NI Last year they got in, they didn't have big money, they had James Madison players and they made the playoff. So I guess my takeaway on all of this is Indiana is now just give the uniforms to Ohio State. This is what they're going to look like every year, right?
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Chris Simms
Someone forwarded me a tweet from Connor Stallions Harbuz, old guy, basically saying that, you know, the local car dealership can no longer just put $20,000 in a bag and hand it to a kid. Right? Because the minimum, I mean, you're talking, you see some of the prices on these players. I didn't know this until the other night. Indiana has more alumni or, you know, it's disputed, but definitely top two or three than any school in the country. And all the other schools beside Arizona State are all Big Ten. So if you just do the math, if I have the most kids graduating for decades, I'm just going to have a higher percentage of people that are going to do well. And at these schools, even if you don't like sports that much, I had friends from high school that went to Oregon, that went to Arizona, and I wouldn't call them like sports diehards. They're very passionate about their school. And when Arizona or Oregon, when these schools make runs in basketball or football, they are bound by that school. And like, that's a huge advantage for Ohio State, for Michigan, the size of their alumni base. And let's face it, like, how many billionaires are SEC graduates now that could change their, you know, their application base has dramatically grown over the last 10 years. But you know what, but those guys are 30, 28. I mean, it's going to take some time.
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Colin Cowherd
LSU's number one booster is a personal injury attorney. Well, you can't compete with Larry Ellison at Michigan and Mark Cuban, the biggest Georgia booster. Rest in peace. He was a beloved guy. He was a bourbon distributor. Again, awesome career. But you're talking about now Big Ten schools. This is something I talked about three years ago. Car dealer, a big car dealer is the number one or number two guy in the SEC that is not that guy's number eight, number 10 in these. Michigan and Notre Dame have endowments that are top 10 in the country. There's just billionaires everywhere. USC right now, forget the fact they get the $90 million check. They're building a $300 million facility. They're buying the best class in the country. They have more money than they know what to do with.
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Chris Simms
Well, why do you think Cal at Stanford hired Andrew Luck and Ron Rivera? I think Cal has more billionaires than any other school in America because if they hired John Middlekop to be the GM of Cal football, that guy. I'm not going to pick up my phone call. If Ron Rivera calls, not only would pick it up, hey, come down to Google and have lunch with me. Right? Andrew Luck's getting all these guys to pick up. So these schools, I'm just talking Cal and Stanford. So think of the advantage they have over every SEC program. So if they can get money in, they immediately can compete with those schools that like that's Texas's big advantage. I think I saw Stuart Mandel or someone said that by all signs point to them having a 40 plus million dollar roster. They have unlimited money. Same thing with Texas Tech. The Texas Tech quarterback that they just signed, they had to pay Cincinnati a million dollar buyout to get his services. He had a buyout clause in his contract. So they gave him $5 million and they gave Cincinnati or the nil or however it worked out, a million dollars. Well, they can do it because they got the billionaire guy who is all in. And honestly I've seen some of their. I saw this interview on Instagram with this guy going around at a Texas Tech away game. And a lot of their boosters are oil guys, are very successful individuals.
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Colin Cowherd
Texas Tech, Texas, Texas A and M. It's Texas. Texas has a massive economy. So big time. If you, I mean Texas Tech has far greater money than anybody in the SEC not called Texas and Texas A and M. Alabama just lost, just, I think it was a star running back. They, they lost over the course of the weekend. They thought they had him, he committed, Texas came in, boom, we'll take him. So I mean, what would the SEC be now without Texas and Texas A and M? They'd be the Big 12. They can't compete.
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Chris Simms
Yeah, when Greg Byrne put out the tweet, kind of begging for money a year ago, you knew like, whoa, that's pretty, pretty crazy. I mean that's. Can, can you imagine some of these other programs doing it? But I don't even blame him. He probably feels desperate. What else is he going to do? Put a Venmo account, link it to Alabama?
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Colin Cowherd
Two other schools that are loaded, Notre Dame and Miami from the acc. So they have, they are. So it's not just, you know, three or four Big Ten teams. It's Texas Tech, it's Miami, it's Notre Dame. So I mean there's so many great high school programs and coaches and players in the big, in the SEC footprint. They're always going to have their players. But I was told this weekend by somebody this is, this is, this is somebody that is in, he's like an agent for, I mean he had a big weekend this weekend with a couple of players. I can't tell you who they are, but there's a wide receiver that plays in the ACC that's going to get paid by a Big Ten team and it's a lot of money and I can't disclose the player or the money, but he's in this world and it's like there's so much money in the Big Ten right now. There is so much money. All right.
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Josh Pate
I may look a little different now. I'm wearing these new age headsets. Josh Pate. Josh Bait College football show on YouTube's getting all sorts of love and press from ESPN and all these big shot platforms. It's, you know what we, we knew a couple years ago at the volume we're like get more Josh Pate on our podcast. So let's start with this. Miami gets seven and a half against Indiana. I am, you know, it's almost like one of those was Saban like you just, you would just take Saban side. They'll just beat somebody badly.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm going to go the other way.
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Josh Pate
Because I thought Indiana would handle Alabama. I called for a blowout and they, they'd handle Oregon. I think Miami will disrupt their offense a little bit. I think they're very disruptive. I think Indiana wins. I think it's kind of ugly and low scoring. But I don't see 30s and 40s.
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Colin Cowherd
For Indiana, do you?
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Unidentified Guest
No, I'm with you. I think we're, we're pretty solo in this car, but I'm with you. So I guess Colin, what you're saying, and to further the point, what it all boils down to is number one, do you think Miami can play their best game because that's kind of required here. And the number two, do I think for the first time in seemingly forever, someone can at least stagger Indiana. Someone can at least make them throw something other than the fastball. Because, like, if you think about it, everyone who's faced Indiana on the line of scrimmage, like, you think they got to deal with Indiana. I didn't really think Indiana, quote unquote, had to deal with Alabama or even had to deal with Oregon from a personnel standpoint, like, they ended up having the edge there. Miami is the kind of team, both sides of the line of scrimmage, that at the very least could do that word you just used, disrupt. At the very least, you can make sure Fernando Mendoza doesn't get into that zone he got into against Oregon. Because, like, I know you watched the same game as I did at some point. I don't really care if Oregon's turning the ball over, if Mendoza's making those kind of throws, if they're 11 of 14, whatever, they were on third down. Nobody this side of the NFL was beating Indiana in that mode. So the other thing about them is they're so efficient offensively on third down. Cause it's always third and two. I don't ever feel like I see them in third and longs. And at the very least, Miami's run D is good enough, I think, to where they can force some of those third and longs. Not maybe that it's a moot point and he just hits them in. Indiana rolls. I'm banking that you're right, though. I'm rolling with you. Not only did I take Miami to cover, I think if it's a dog fight kind of game in the fourth quarter, man, and that belt's within reach, I. I'm risky enough to roll the dice on Miami being able to grab the belt. So I actually took him to win the game outright.
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Josh Pate
You know, the Lane Kiffin stuff is funny. He can't stay off X. You know, it's. I. One of the disadvantages, I've always said if I was competing with you or younger sportscasters, Nick Wright, is that I didn't grow up living on my phone. And I just don't like. I like watching games and not having a phone there. Like, I just like to watch the games and I'll take notes on a notepad. I'm very old school and I. I look at Lane, and part of me thinks Lane on the Internet's great. Lane on X is great, but I could see it. I could see it blowing up. Like, are we sure Lane. LSU are giving. It's giving us titles. Are we sure about that?
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Unidentified Guest
No, we're not. We're not sure about it at all. Look, it's kind of like if you look at the draft, any given year, you, you've got teams that are badly in need of quarterback, you're going to have a QB 1, 2, 3 in any draft. As you well know, there's some drafts where QB3 that year is better than the QB1 two years down the road.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Unidentified Guest
I think about hiring cycles the same way Lane was HC1 in this last hiring cycle.
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Chris Simms
Yeah.
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Unidentified Guest
Does that really mean he compares to like when Urban was on the open market a generation ago, Right? Not exactly. Exactly. And so that's. It's not like a buyer beware, it's just a buyer be aware, I guess is the way I would put it about lsu because expectations correlate with pay grade in most businesses. This one's no different. So when you pay the guy 12 million or whatever they're paying him a year, you just expect, oh, he's going to level up. I got no reason to think Lane Kiffin will ever level up from exactly what he's been. Now here's the, the detriment. The detriment is when you place false expectations on the guy and he comes in and he's exactly who he's been and you end up disappointed because he is who he is. Who does that really fall on? The reality is it'll fall on Lane Kiffin. But the truth of it is it should fall on someone who looked at someone and because we paid them a lot of money, expected them to be more than they had been in the past. But the other part of that, Colin, and the crazy part that you know, that I don't think most people know, is how different the Lane, this Lane Kiffin is versus the Lane Kiffin when you're sitting eye to eye with him. How different the personality is, how different the conversation is. It's just, it's really wild. And that's why I've always said if you're going to consume Lane, it's actually better to do it online. Lane is a better consumed and more easily consumed product online than he is in person.
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Josh Pate
I love this year of college football. I think the transfer portal is messy. I think the nil's getting. I mean, yeah, I don't like kids transferring five times.
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Colin Cowherd
They always use this.
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Josh Pate
You always hear this. Well, I mean, coaches, they leave all the time. They don't go six places in five years.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, slow down.
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Josh Pate
Secondly, my take, Josh, is coaches are different than players. My bosses at Fox get stock options. I don't get their bosses. I'm an employee, a college Player is not a college coach. Coaches are administrators. They're responsible for the program. A wide receiver is responsible for catching the ball and keeping eligible in classes. So I if you had to tweak one or the other, portal or nil, which one concerns you more?
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Unidentified Guest
I think I would tweak nil if you really let me control the revenue sharing and then the pay structure. Because like, I think what happens, whether you go CBA to achieve this or not, if you tweaked that and you made revenue sharing just the true sense of revenue sharing, you wouldn't have to worry about the portal as much if you structured it right. Colin. Very simple. Like rookie pay scales, freshman pay scales, in other words, for college, are smaller than sophomore pay scales are smaller than junior or smaller than senior. And if you heavily incentivize and backload revenue sharing for guys contingent that they remain on their roster, you don't have to legislate that they have to stay there. They just have all the incentive in the world to only leave in the worst of cases. And then if you wanted to add in exemptions for if they lose their head coach, so be it. I got no problem with that. But if I were to change that, I don't think we would have this big outcry about the transfer portal because guys are only moving around right now to chase what they would be inclined to stay at their school to chase.
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Josh Pate
Yeah, it's interesting. I I follow like USC is the program I prom. Everybody has a program or two they follow more. Right. Even broadcasters and most of the guys that are leaving usc. The quarterback came back, could have been a bidding war. He wanted Lincoln Riley. They lost a couple of receivers to the NFL and then they went and bought one good receiver and hit on a couple of high school guys. Is that most of the guys that leave, I I tend to think the core of your program, if they're productive, the school's taking care of them. It's like the third defensive lineman at Georgia who probably doesn't have the motor of the first two. Kirby Smart's tired of him and he's.
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Colin Cowherd
Not getting a love and he's like, I'm going to go to, I'm going.
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Josh Pate
To go to Michigan State and be a star. Like I I the thing about the transfer portal is by outside of quarterback where there are bidding wars for most players. I think, I think you mostly keep your core because I don't think it's like anything else. We all you learn as you go.
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Chris Simms
Yep.
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Josh Pate
And I think USC has looked at it and thought, man, we have spent way too much money on way too many guys that didn't make an impact and they're going to spend it now on like rush end, star receiver, quarterback. I kind of think it's all getting a little better. But the problem, Josh, is the stuff that you read about the big paydays freaks everybody out. I kind of think. I think it's kind of getting. I think it's coming to its conclusion of being the wild wild West. That's my interpretation.
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Colin Cowherd
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