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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Caleb’s BIG Win Over Cowboys, Jimmy Kimmel Returns To TV, Lions BULLY Ravens
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean I think the story of the game is Ben Johnson versus Eber Fluss which would be like, you know, a 20 year old playing a five year old and pick up basketball. It's not a fair fight. I mean Iberflu is probably, I understand like you said, injuries but I think Eberfluss is probably the worst defensive coordinator going. So I have a hard time. Listen, I, I give Caleb credit. He made that, that flea flicker is one of the more beautiful throws you will see all season long. It felt like it flew night but I don't put much emphasis on. I mean they score touchdowns with guys wide open command wide open touchdown. DJ Moore wide open touchdown. And Rome, I think the first touchdown of the game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah was a dig just fell on.
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Jason McIntyre
The ground, you know. So it's just, I. Listen, I'm not trying to be negative on this. A win's a win. Cool moment for Ben getting his first win. But I truly believe that some guys in this league get recycled unfairly And Eber flu is a good example. He has no business being a defensive court. It's embarrassing. I mean no one, there's no one even around. So Caleb's hitting these guys. There was a stretch early in the second quarter where he missed a couple balls over the middle. I'm like, yes, but, but then he, he calmed down. I thought Ben Johnson for the first time this year had a rhythm in his play calling. It felt like, it felt like Detroit. But he's facing Heber flu. You know, you face Green Bay, Minnesota, the better defenses. It's not like that. So I, I have making a grand proclamation that Caleb's fixed or anything, but you could only play who you're playing. And they shredded any hit guys that were wide open. More of a reflection to me on Eber flu than it is. Caleb is fixed.
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Colin Cowherd
But I, you know, one thing watching the Bears, I felt is they, they do have good offensive personnel. I mean, Jesus, Luther Burden, Roma Dunze, DJ Moore, Cole Comet, Colston, Loveland. Swift's a nice back. He's a, he's not a star, but he's a nice back. If you give Caleb reasonable protection, which he certainly had on the interior, they ran the ball better today. Here's the One thing is, is if they become like the 23rd best scoring team in the league, it's not going to be on the personnel or Ben. They've got good pressure. They have some really, really. Even their third string back is a capable player.
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Jason McIntyre
I would agree with you there. I think two things can be true, right? Eber Fluss and the Cowboys defensive personnel might be the worst in the league combination and the Bears are not as they have looked through two games. Offensive personnel standpoint. Listen, is Rome ever going to be Malik Neighbors or Jamar Chase? Probably not, but he's a really good player and he could be probably a really good two. We know DJ Moore is like a fringe, what, 1B2. So that they got two good receivers. Cole Komet's a good tight end, you know, and he's technically. They drafted a guy to supplant him. So I, I'm with you there. I, I'm fascinated to watch. Listen sometimes, especially with the young player, a young person, however you could get confidence is important. So whether it's against the worst defense in the league, who cares, right? So if now it's time. Can you build on this? Who do they play next week? The Raiders who aren't very good. I mean so that, that is something to, to keep an eye on. If they can Build on it then. Yeah, then maybe there is some, some life here. I. I just have a hard time extracting much from. From throwing it to guys that are wide open in the NFL, because we know that's not the case. What, 15 to 16 of the games that you're going to play throughout the year, especially in that division, which is a good defensive division.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's. Once CD Lamb got banged up, I mean, you got Tolbert and Turpin and George Pickens and Javante Williams. Pretty good running back. But it is. Listen, here's what you and I both felt coming into the Cowboy season. This is a bad coaching staff. And I thought today there was one point. It was, you know, it was a 14, 14 game, but it was 14:3, first after the first quarter. And was it 14:14 here? Do I make a mistake here? No, it was 2414. I think there was a point in the game when CD Lam went out and I thought, well, you know, they've got some pretty decent weapons. But one of the things that was pretty clear is that Dak was trying to throw the ball down the field and was getting pretty good protection, but he couldn't. And so once CD Lamb was out of the game, he was looking downfield. You'd see him multiple times. John Dak would be waiting and waiting to go downfield and he would dump it off. Is that if you take CD Lamb out, you can see the Cowboys have missed defensively and offensively, they've missed on draft picks. They have a lot of C level players.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, let's take the two teams, you know, coaching staffs. You know, Ben Johnson obviously is one of the better offensive coordinators and offensive minds in the league. And even Brady said Dennis Allen is one of the tougher defensive coordinators he faced as a player. And I don't think he's just thrown out there. We've seen him when he was with the Broncos with Peyton Manning. Excellent. And obviously when he was with Sean Payton, they had a couple years where the Saints defense was excellent. That's why he got the job when Sean basically took the year off. Right. So then you look Brian Schottenheimer, hire Zebra flu. Say what you want about Mike McCarthy, his new two defensive coordinators. The last couple, you know, stretch was Dan Quinn and then Mike Zimmer.
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Colin Cowherd
Right?
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, those are. Obviously, Dan Quinn is one of the better coaches in the league, and Mike Zimmer's resume speaks for itself. So you go from those two guys to Eber flu, I can't get Over. I had a buddy one time, tell me he had. He was a longtime quarterback coach, and he became an offensive coordinator for, like, one of the worst teams in the league.
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Danny Parkinson
And.
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Jason McIntyre
And I said, I get the money, but can't this derail your career? He's no. He's like, actually, this changes my career. Because once you go, oh, that guy's an offensive coordinator, whether you have success or you don't, you just get in that mix. Right? Mike McCarthy, when he became the head coach of the Green Bay packers, hadn't been some dynamic offensive coordinator for years, but he was viewed as, like, that was the next step. And I think sometimes guys, you know, Eber Floose becomes a head coach. Well, if he's not a head coach, he's then just a coordinator. You see this with Brandon Staley. Well, what if they're actually just position coaches, you know, and they get in this cycle and, you know, Ben Johnson gets to play him and was running circles around him today. I mean, the flea flicker is a good example. Right out of the flea flicker, because the guy almost got tackled. I'm like, this is. And he hits him, and the guy's wide open. It's like, what is going on? These guys have no clue what they're doing. So listen, the coaching in this league, it's. When you get good defensive coordinators, it really stands out. The Brian Flores, the Robert Salas, the Vic Fangios. When you get bad ones, it really stands out. And I think that was pretty evident in this game with. With Ben Johnson. And listen, I. I'm not trying to diminish Caleb Williams, but he was throwing to wide open guys, which is pretty unheard of. It happens on a play, but it happened play after play after play. I mean, it was. It was an unserious defensive performance.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Rams, at one point, led 26 to 7 and lost 33 to 26 to Philadelphia. My first. I have two major takes here. First of all, the Rams didn't draft a corner. And that was one of the curious things that was one of their primary needs, was maybe a quarterback for the future. And it was a bad quarterback class. And cornerbacks, they didn't. And A.J. brown ate today. There was a lot of third downs. Devontae Smith and A.J. brown, Rams. And it wasn't like they were beaten badly. It wasn't like they were poorly coached like Dallas. They just don't have any playmakers in the back end. And then twice kicks get blocked. They didn't draft a center. Another position of need on that Offensive line, they're not very good at center. They've got, you know, Shelton, who's been Shelton, Coleman, I think, who's been around forever and a kid out of Arkansas they drafted sixth or seventh round and two times, three times now against Philadelphia last year, remember in the playoff game when the Rams are driving and Jalen Carter blows up, the final play blows up. They're like sixth, seventh round center, and then twice on field goals. It's a Jordan Davis blowing up their field goals, two block, one for a touchdown. So they didn't address a lot of what they addressed in the off season. You know, Devonte Adams has been a good find. Laniman, the interior linebacker has been a good get. But they didn't draft a corner. And they, they, they have, they are below average at center. And if you play Philadelphia and you don't have people and you don't have an elite corner against AJ Or Devonte and you can't block Jalen Carter and Davis, you're in big trouble. And I just thought, you know, it was a remarkable game in the first half. It was a coaching mismatch, like McVeigh was doing whatever he wanted. But in the end, I think Philadelphia went in, Nick Ceriani made some adjustments, and they completely dominated the second half. I, I just think when they play Philadelphia, the interior of the Eagles defensive line just continues to dominate the ramp. Remember the fourth and one call the Rams made and the big guys blew that up as well. It's like four separate plays in two years, and the Eagles are two. And oh, in those games because of those moments.
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Jason McIntyre
And even Greg Olson said, like, I wouldn't do that in this spot here. And McVeigh was like, because I'm with you. The Rams showed up to kick their ass, and they came out of the gate swinging. And it's at one point in time, I think it's 19 to 7 and a half. It felt more like 30 to 7.
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Colin Cowherd
It did.
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Jason McIntyre
And you know, the yardage that was up there was like 200 to 40 yards. I felt knowing that town a little bit like, I think this offensive coordinator is going to get fired. He's three games in. Listen, they're the defending champs, but this is not going to fly. And give them credit. They came out and they just started throwing it to 11. They said, you know what? And Greg also kept saying it, like, just target him. Remember in the first game, he had one target, just throw the ball to 11. And they just started doing that. Some of it, it's not like Jalen is throwing these frozen ropes. Some of them are kind of floating in the air. AJ's attacking it, he's throwing the guy off him. It's one of the great turnarounds of Sirianni's career in a one game situation. Because I thought, this thing's weird. I mean, are they about to get blown out at home with people booing their offense? And I don't feel it gets a bad rap because they always boo. Well, I mean, that's. What are they supposed to do?
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Colin Cowherd
Cheer John? I mean, at halftime it was 115 yards rushing for the Rams, 34 for the Eagles. Rams had basically 100 yards passing. Philadelphia had minus one. I mean, the game was 19 to seven at half and no question it should have been like 277 or 30 to 7. It was a complete mismatch. But again, you know, there was also.
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Jason McIntyre
Stafford missed a couple passes down the stretch too.
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Colin Cowherd
There was also Puka dropped a touchdown pass in the end zone. It wasn't an easy catch, but he should have made. Was one of these games. When I look at Stafford, if he's out of rhythm and he missed a couple of passes, both in the red zone, you don't get anything out of the pocket. And I felt like he didn't have his best game. I thought in the second half he just was out of rhythm.
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Jason McIntyre
One defining moment, that's kind of like a, you know, football in the weeds. But they mentioned on the broadcast too that Lane Johnson gets hurt, hurts his neck and it goes, that can't be good. And they put in the backup and the backup is just getting destroyed. I mean, they were putting Verse over there and they got no shot. Well, then a couple series, they bench that guy and go to another backup and he's dramatically better. And to me, that's kind of the defining attribute of this organization. They're pretty ruthless. Like, just because you're the quote unquote backer, you're not getting it done. You'll blast two series, you're out of there, we'll throw in another guy. And that helped change the game because there was a moment where you went, well with Lane Johnson out, the physicality of the Rams, their front with verse, with Young, with Fisk, like they're taking over this game. I mean, Jalen was, you know, sometimes he struggles a little bit. It feels like he's just out of rhythm. But today he was under siege in that first half, getting destroyed. So, you know, I think it shouldn't be that complicated. Like the Rams, they throw it to Puka Nukua all the time. Well, no shit. Like, how does it take you so long to throw to A.J. brown, especially with Saquon? You know, the game plan was this. Force Jalen to stay within the pocket where he's not as comfortable, and corral Saquon Barkley. Well, if one thing Jalen is good at is throwing outside the numbers. Anyone in the league will tell you that. Obviously, on the move, throwing the ball down the field, but even in the pocket, throwing outside the numbers is something he's very comfortable doing. And clearly they got two, you know, elite wide receivers. I mean, they probably have one of, if not the best 12 combination in the league. And it looked like it was broken, and then it wasn't. And then, like you said, I mean, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter, I mean, these guys are blue chipper. Did you see how fast Jordan Davis. I know he's lost weight, but on that field goal block where he couldn't hit miles an hour, he was. At one point in time, he. It was taking, like two steps to cover five yards. I'm like, I don't think people realize, even though he no longer weighs 350 and maybe weighs 325, the movement on this human being. And he's not even their star defensive tackle. That's Jalen Carter. So that was. That was a blue chip game all the way around. Like, I don't view the Rams that much differently. Like, I think, like, watching the Niners, like, I would say today, the Rams are a better team currently than the 49ers. But listen, I mean, at the end of the day, you got to find a way to win a game that you are controlling on the road. Well, the Eagles did not have life. They. They had no life.
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Colin Cowherd
The. The Eagles have a star in every unit. The Rams at corner, they really need work. But.
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Jason McIntyre
But, Colin, most teams don't have, you know, Deion Sanders or Darrell Rivas out there. So especially once AJ Gets going, you would think you would cheat a little bit and give him some help. I mean, they left him on an island, and AJ Was just throwing whoever was on him one on one just over shoulder. They just, you know, working another 5, 10, 20 yards down the field.
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Colin Cowherd
It's amazing what happens in these games. This Puka drops a touchdown in the fourth quarter. Then they. They want to take a field goal to go up 29, 21, and it gets blocked, and it's like, oh, shit. And then Hertz hits Devonte Smith. 28, 26. They lead. But that touchdown when it's dropped, then the field goal is blocked, and you're like, there's just two plays. And that's what the Eagles do. They just got a hand on the puka on the. On the puka drop just enough body on it, and then they block the kick. And so when you have these moments. Dallas had these a couple of weeks ago when they played Philadelphia. You have these moments. And when you play Philadelphia and you have these moments, you. You have to make the plays because they've shown they're an uneven football team. They have really bad halves. It's not that rare for. Jalen hurts to have a really bad half. He had a bad half against the Rams in the playoff game. Like he has. This team is uneven. But when their horsepower revs up and they get momentum, I mean, Saquon's not even running. He hasn't been nearly as effective. But when they get going and they get that pass rush and over the course of a game, they're. Their defensive front wears you out. And I felt like at the end of the game, the Rams had all these card tricks, and then that just came down to personnel, and the Eagles had better personnel.
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Jason McIntyre
I also think when you have, you know, a guy like Saquon Barkley, that terrifies these defensive coordinators that any moment can go 50 if you screw up. Elaine, they spend so much effort trying to corral him. Well, they got Jalen Hurts, who at any moment, they can just do that kind of keeper play, and then he can go. And you saw with Kyler Murray, when you have a guy, those guys want to throw it. Like, Jalen no longer wants to run it, but at any moment, when he has to, he gets you seven yards. So like you said, yeah, he could be terrible, but at any moment, he could just gain them a momentum play with his own legs, because you spend all your effort going on Saquon. Like, I don't think Saquon's numbers so far through the beginning of the year look great. Can you imagine the emphasis Monday through Saturday that the defensive coordinators are screaming at the units to stop him? So. And that's where Jalen. And they always have that in their back pocket, and they've used it a couple times in the second half of. Just let him get to the edges. Because even when you walk, like, when you watch Kyler, he looks like a wide receiver or something with the ball in his hands. Sometimes Jalen, when he's running, doesn't even look that fast, but he's just a smooth runner. And he's, he's very natural in space. He had one run today for like eight, nine yards in the second half. That is just something they can kind of keep in their back pocket. And let's face it, they play in a lot of close games because they, their offense has kind of been anemic this year.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Danny Parkinson, former Chicago radio Legend, now at FS1, is joining us. We bring in Danny about once every five or six weeks. He's a busy guy. You know, I was thinking about this. Somebody the other day asked me. They said, you know, Colin, you don't do politics. And I said, well, I also don't post my meals on Twitter. There's a lot of things I do that I don't do publicly. I don't want to hear Bill Maher's football picks or Ben Shapiro talk the College Football Playoff. I said, you know me and my brand is like football and sports, and that's what it is. And I don't want to dilute it at all. Stephen A. Smith loves it. Knock yourself out. I don't want to work that hard. But it was interesting because one of the only times I've thought, ooh, should I have an opinion? But I didn't because I was busy and doing stuff and didn't care was the Jimmy Kimmel situation where, listen, I just don't think it's. I think it's a bad precedent. I don't care what somebody says, how offended you are. Don't take comedians off the air. Don't, don't. And by the way, the left was doing it with comedians years ago. They were getting called out for jokes. And now the right's upset with Kimmel. But I. But one of the things I thought about was that in the end, Bob Iger, who I know a little bit, Disney, is huge globally. It is massive in Southern California, and Bob's gonna retire. I know Ray lives in California. He loves it. And my take was he Surround. Disney is a company full of artists. I mean, it really is. It's. It's. That's what it is. The theme parks used to drive it. I'm not sure the percentage of revenue. But, you know, so much of Disney now is movies and Hulu and all this stuff. And my takeaway was, in the end, I thought Bob Iger probably sat down and went, and I think Gavin Newsom thinks this way. This is my state. I literally have the support of half the state, many of which are artists, creatives. Screw nexstar. It's local tv. I mean, it's like ninth on our rung. And I really wondered, I thought, like, if you're Gavin Newsom and you're Bob Iger, and basically your support in the state is overwhelmingly these creative industries. And you're like, well, Kimmel's in a creative space. I don't care if the president hates me. I wonder if that was my take on it, that everything in my life, every big decision, comes down to sex, power, and money. Nobody owns you know what I mean? Seriously, when you're talking about big corporations, it's. I mean, it could be the White House, it could be Main street, it could be any Wall street. And that. Why do you think? And if you don't like this question, you can talk bears, but why do you think?
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Danny Parkinson
Well, first of all, because it was the right thing to do.
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Colin Cowherd
Now we're just gonna put him back on.
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Danny Parkinson
You know, you said a lot there, and I, I've got a lot of thoughts on this, obviously, so I can go as long on this as you want to, but this, this is the right thing to do. This, this was a pretty clear cut freedom of speech issue. And everyone from Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro and George Clooney and Meryl Streep and Joe Rogan, everybody came out against this. Like, this was a fairly cut and dried. Easy. It was an easy one. And so I think that, yeah, it.
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Colin Cowherd
Was an easy one.
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Danny Parkinson
See that reaction to it. I don't know how much credit I'm supposed to give you for, like, ultimately doing the right thing because it was so universal, it was so easy. So I don't think about that. Also, though, to your point about Hollywood and, like, being comfortable where you live, Kimmel is so popular in Southern California among the Hollywood elite. Right. Like the, his green room, when it, when he first started doing his show 20 years ago, was like the Hollywood hangout. People call him, you know, the mayor of Hollywood. He, he is as likely to hang out with Magic Johnson as he is Jennifer Aniston. And then he, when he started, he dipped his toe into the water with politics because of healthcare, because of what happened with his young child. And, you know, like, that was his. He was not a John Stewart, John Oliver. Jimmy Kimmel's the Man show, like Jimmy Kimmel's local radio. Jimmy Kimmel is a prankster. Jimmy Kimmel was likability guy's guy. Pull pranks, football picks, all that sort of thing. He started dipping his toe in politics, through health care. And then I think he got infatuated with it and the left started reaching out to him and he started doing events and he, you know, speaking at Obama functions and things like that. But like, Jimmy Kimmel in Hollywood, as I understand it, has pretty like universal approval. His approval. His approval. Everyone wants to hang with Jimmy Kimmel.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah. I mean, because if you think about it, Letterman always sort of poked Hollywood in the ribs. Madonna, Cher.
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Danny Parkinson
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Ricky Gervais doesn't give a fly. And, you know, what about Hollywood? He mocks them in Front of them. Colbert is the political guy. Fallon, sort of a New York music vibe. Carson was debonair. Leno had the monologue. Conan was quirky. And I always think, Kim, always New York or you're a late night host, you need a lane.
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Danny Parkinson
He was the mayor of Hollywood. Like he. He vacations with Jason Batesman and Jennifer Ashley. You know, like, that was his thing. He created a vibe and he created a hangout spot. And so, you know, I thought that when the 400 actors and artists all like signed that petition, I thought that was like an od obvious step that was clearly coming. But I thought that if Disney and them, if everyone like didn't kind of back down on this one. I think that Kimmel is popular enough that it might have gone further because you saw a few people, like writers. I think like a writer from Lost or something was like, I'm not going to work for them again until they do what's right here.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, that's where I feel. Iger feels that institutional pressure. I mean, a great example is for a brief time in la, I moved to Brentwood, which is. It's a very much an industry town. Like Manhattan beach is. USC grads playing volleyball. Work hard, party hard. Right. Beverly Hills is very international. I mean, West Hollywood is very much industry. Brentwood is where the industry, the CEOs, the agents live. And so I moved there in a very beautiful area. But my neighbors, one of my neighbors, like Lindsey Buckingham, it was a lot of industry people. You'd occasionally see, you know, Dustin Hoffman, I never saw him, but apparently he had a house. You know, there was a game show host down the street. That's what it. I didn't move there for it. I moved it because when I started the volume, a lot of people in the company were in that area. And I didn't want to keep driving back and forth and driving back and forth and it's fine. But there was a restaurant there called Toscano and it was. I went there all the time. They had a great bar that you could just watch sports, really low key. Every time you walked in, it was industry people. And Iger, I went there probably 30 times. He was there six to seven of them, Kardashian were there. I mean, it was all these Hollywood people and like industry people. And the truth is, Bob was. Could not get in and out of that restaurant. And he would dress very casually, never a suit. I mean, it looked like he just got done biking. He was legendarily beloved and left the company, came back and I do think there is this point where you look at it and you think, timeout. What am I? Affiliates? Who are my alliances with? They're. They're not. They're not. I mean, and so when you see all the, like Silicon Valley guys go into the White House, that's different. Those are massive global companies. You don't know where those people are going to live. They probably got eight homes. Iger always felt like an LA guy. I mean, it's his. I, it's. I thought he made an offer on one of the sports team. His family did. He feels like. I mean, so I just, I guess my point being is that like, if I was Bob Iger and I don't.
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Danny Parkinson
Yeah, to your point where you get.
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Colin Cowherd
Credit, it was like you had to do that.
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Danny Parkinson
That is your chairman. I mean, the stuff that he said was just like, I mean, comically stupid. And so, yeah, I thought it was like a pretty open and shut case because. And you also said earlier, you know, like the left was doing it with jokes and going too far. Like, I don't, I don't want to like false equivalent those. Because, like, there's no question that sensitivities and people like lashing out at media a little too extreme and people got a little too sensitive. And you could like talk about cancel culture or whatever, but like losing out on hosting the Oscars because you wouldn't apologize for jokes is not like losing a gig is not the same. Like, because an event wouldn't book you. That's not the same as the head of the FCC taking you off the air and the president, like, celebrating your firing. Right. That's not the same. That's government overreach. And so I thought this one was just appalling to everybody. This is what happened to Howard Stern back in the 90s. This was just so I was just like, wait, they're gonna do what over what comment and who's getting involved? And I thought Kimmel, what he said in his monologue was hilarious and spot on. Like, he had great ratings. Like, talk about your all time backfire.
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Colin Cowherd
Have you ever had an especially strident position? And for a variety of reasons, perhaps, in my opinion, it's a cultural change. You go the opposite way. And I'm going to start with mine. And I thought about this. So for years, Iowa said Green Bay not having an owner was a negative, that you need Stan Kroenke on the tarmac with Sean McVay on the phone, and he's getting ready to fly his gulf stream from LAX to Heathrow. And literally, McVeigh and Les need pin him down on Stafford. And he goes, okay, let's get him. You don't have to go through a board. You don't have to gather people around like in Green Bay. And, you know, Mark Murphy had to answer to people. And so for years, I always thought, what a negative for Green Bay. They can't walk upstairs. I've always said one of the strengths of Fox over ESPN. ESPN's a massive company. It's like the Marriott chain. You know, Fox is like a boutique hotel. If I really needed something, I would walk upstairs. And I've done it maybe once. And just ask Eric Shanks. Eric, this sucks. Can we do this? Or, Eric, I'm not comfortable with this. What do you think of this? And if he's there, he would just say, oh, that's a good point. Let me get it on the phone. And I don't do it much. I've probably done it twice where I've said, hey, can we do this? One of them was like, well, I won't even get into it. It was kind of a thing for the staff I wanted to do. But you can get an answer and get it solved very quickly. And I don't have a lot of, you know, I don't have to do it much. I think I've done it twice in nine years. It was just something. I'm like, yeah, this feels weird. Let's not do this. You get an answer. Packers never had that. Then something happened. And I really noticed that over the last two to three years, and I've talked to GMs about this, is that owners have gotten more impulsive because they're not worth 700 million, they're worth 11 billion. And so they have no problem running a $68 million check to get rid of both coordinators and the head coach. They don't care. And when they're around their buddies who are millionaires, probably not billionaires, they're giving them shit when they vacation with them. Like, your coach is an idiot. This quarterback's a bum. And it's a bit of a billionaire echo chamber. And they lean on the GM and they lean on people, and they just are crazier. And so Green Bay now, I believe, has a huge advantage where they don't answer to any impulsive owner. They basically have really smart president, really smart people in the front office. They tend to be patient with quarterbacks. I do not believe you can draft a first round quarterback and sit him for three years twice. You can't do that in any other city except Green Bay. The masters of the most important position in the National Football League. Increasingly so over the last 15 years. So that's my sports take, where I was like there. And I have pivoted to the other side. And I think Green Bay's ability to have multiple year patience is unprecedented in this sport.
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Danny Parkinson
So the Green Bay thing is a little sensitive for me because my dad's whole side of the family are cheesehead Packer fans. And I've had to deal with this for my entire life. And I always would say, you know, to my brother, my older brother who's a Packer fan, and my dad, and, you know, rest in peace to both of them, but I would always say I was like, you guys don't know how the rest of us live. Like, you guys going from Farve to Rogers to Jordan Love. Like, I remember when Rogers got hurt and Brett Hundley had to play for like six games. They were like, oh, it was like six games. 16 years.
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Colin Cowherd
Try the 80s. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Danny Parkinson
The game that Caleb Williams had against Dallas, a Bears quarterback has not done that. Four touchdowns, zero picks, zero sacks since Rex Grossman in 2006. And before that it was Eric Kramer in 1995. And then before Eric Kramer, it was zero times. And so the fact that like, like so. And so packers fans don't understand how good they have it, but allow me to just push back a little bit. Isn't it luck? Is it isn't. I mean, because our sample size, there is two, right? Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love. And because Far was like, Favre was good. They had Favre traded for Favre. And then Aaron Rodgers falls in the draft, not supposed to be there. They take him, they sit him. But he was, you know, number one. It was him and Alex Smith then that works. And then Rogers, they think he's done. They trade up and take Jordan Love. Then they get rid of McCarthy. LaFleur comes in. All of a sudden, Rogers is winning two more MVPs. Like, the plan wasn't like, let's sit Jordan Love for three years. The plan was, we don't know how much longer Aaron Rodgers has. And a new coach kind of injected some old man life into him. And Jordan Love was sitting longer than they initially thought when they drafted him. If they thought that Aaron Rodgers was going to be an mvp, they would have drafted T. Higgins instead of drafting Jordan Love. So, like, it's. And by the way, it was multiple presidents. You know, back then with, it was Ron Wolf, right? It's been multiple Thompson and Ted Thompson. Yeah. Multiple presidents.
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Colin Cowherd
Multiple generate general managers.
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Danny Parkinson
Like, I don't, I don't just believe that like inherently because they eat bratwurst and they have no owner and it's green and gold that they have just like that. They just have this ability that like if Mark Murphy went and it's a new president now, I forget the guy's name, but if he became the president of the Jaguars, I don't think that the next Jaguars quarterback would be Aaron Rodgers level good. Like, I think they have gotten. I think they've gotten lucky twice and it annoys the hell out of me.
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Colin Cowherd
So here's where I'd push back. They are also arguably the best drafting team, period for 25 years. And I think, I mean, they literally have maybe in 25 years had two bad offensive lines and they never draft offensive linemen in the first round. Is that once again their ability to draft middle rounds and just be patient and not have a relentless angry media banging on them? Their media is not even collegiate. It's almost high school. Nice. Like, I mean, it's a very supportive media. And I would buy into luck if they didn't currently have the best tight end wide receiver youth groups in the NFL and they don't do free agency. So they're missing a leg from the barstool. And it's almost like there's so many teachers that are actually millionaires. Almost higher than almost any profession outside of tech. And one of the reasons they have to be is because teachers don't make a lot. So they tend to pay off their homes. They buy used cars. Green Bay similarly knows we don't get free agents. We have to draft and develop. We have to be patient. We're not attractive to star Mike linebackers and wide receivers on average. So I think I would buy that. But they draft so exceedingly well. And I think a lot of it is you do in life what you have to. If you have to save to retire early, you don't buy a second car if you're rich. I mean, the New York operations, they just fly through money because their game day revenue is huge. And they. And I mean, I think, I mean, like the Knicks, James Dolan. I'm firing the most successful coach we've had in 20 years. You wouldn't think of doing that in Green Bay. Like, it wouldn't even be on the table, would it?
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Danny Parkinson
I mean, they fired Mike McCarthy after he won a Super Bowl. Now, not right after he won it. Obviously he.
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Colin Cowherd
And he struggled the last year and a half, two years he struggled.
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Danny Parkinson
Yeah, but, but Mike Tomlins hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. And they've, they've kept him there because like the Steelers ownership group believes in continuity of coaches. So listen, the packers are a very well run organization. So there's obviously an ounce of hater that is coming out of me when we're talk, talking about. This is very good. Just announced.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkinson
Just, just a smidge.
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Colin Cowherd
Feels like 16 ounces. It might be 40 proof.
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Danny Parkinson
It might be 40 proof. Can you pass me some of that whiskey, by the way? It looks delicious. Yeah. Ed Policy by the name is the new, the new Mark Murphy, the new Ted Thompson. I just, I, I have a. I think that they are very well run. They are very good at drafting. They. Historically you are 100 correct. Have not been a free agent team. But it's also not because part of it is because they don't. They're not attractive to free agents. But in the NFL it's. Guys normally go where the money is normally. Right. Like Reggie, Reggie White going to Green Bay was like a massive deal on a number of levels because of race and religion and location and all that. They also paid him a boatload of money. Like I remember when Mario Williams went to Buffalo. I remember, oh my God, Buffalo got a big free agent. And I was like, he got $100 million anywhere. So green. But Green Bay has also talked about like a lot of like they believe philosophically, organizationally, in building through the draft. They don't, they don't even like really pursue big time free agents. Like part of it I'm sure is a geographic disadvantage, but I think part of it is also just like organizational philosophy. And they're very good. And I think Jordan Love is just good enough to throw a backbreaking interception in the playoffs this year. Alan. That's what I think.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's wrap it up with your pivot, a position you had and now through either cultural changes, information, clarity, you have moved off it. Any sport, anything.
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Danny Parkinson
Okay. Yeah. Good follow up. You're going to hold me to it. So I. Maybe this doesn't answer your question perfectly, but I think it's a decent answer. I used to want to fire coaches for bad game management decisions, messing up timeouts, messing up you and Nick Wright messing up. Go for it on fourth downs. It would drive me insane. And I still don't like it. To be very, very clear. And I do think, think teams in general have gotten better at it because they've brought you know MIT nerds and analytic departments in and like they've like streamlined their process. But like I'm talking like by the way, like I go back like Mike McCarthy on the packers when they were in the NFC championship game against Seattle in like 2010 or whatever. He's got Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is MVP of the league and he's given the ball to Eddie Lacy inside the five yard line instead of letting Aaron Rodgers try to throw. And then he's settling for shoot short field goals.
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Colin Cowherd
I.
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Danny Parkinson
It was like before the analytic but like even at the time you have Aaron Rodgers. Six is more than three go for touchdowns. What are you doing? I used to want to like fire guys for that. But then. And like Andy Reid, who's a big reason why I changed this. Like Andy Reid has struggled at times in a. And remember I covered Andy Reid in the Alex Smith era when he was coming off of the Philadelphia era. I did not cover Andy Reid when he had Superman as his quarterback. But Andy Reid would sometimes do things, be slow at the end of half, let the clock run, punt from midfield. And I was like, this is so dumb. But God damn, that guy would win and he would win double digit games and he would get. Alex Smith had the best year of his career with him. And then you go back through and you look at it and it was like, okay, not only did Alex Smith have the best year of his career with Andy Revolution, but so did Kevin Cobb, Jeff Garcia, Mike Vick, Donovan McNabb.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkinson
So the epiphany was like it's the part that drives guys like me and Nick crazy because we are sitting on our couch watching in HD with the clock and the time and the score and we can do that part. But the biggest part of coaching is very clearly not that that the biggest part of coaching is Monday through Saturday, the game plan. That how you game plan for the Broncos is different than how you game plan for the Lions. And it's like a week to week chess. And that's what Andy Reid is the best I've ever seen in my lifetime of watching football. And so like that it is a part of coaching that still drives me crazy. And I will still yell at my TV about it it but I will. Unless you have like no, like I will never advocate firing a good coach for something like that. You know, like if Brian Callahan can't do it and he can't coach well then sure, just like add it to the list of reasons why he should be gone. But it's not like the. It's not as big of a part of being a good coach as I originally thought it was because I think I gained like a more global understanding of like, what the job entails. I don't know that I fully adequately answered your question, but like is a position that I totally have changed on and it's now more of like a nuisance than like a foundational principle. But I also think as I go around here, I also think teams have gotten way better at it. Like, Dan Campbell is at the forefront of it, but like teams now, all employees. Game theory people.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no. And I've talked to a lot of. I probably say my best sources in sports are NFL GMs, ex GMs, current GMs, guys that want to be GMs. And they've always said that a coach is a CEO. If you get the schemes along with it, it's a total bonus. But they've got to be a part. Psychologist Bill Parcells was brilliant at that. They've got to be an understanding of personnel. Jimmy Johnson was a master of that. They have to be play designers. Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Shanahan, masters of that. And that clock management is often, you have a sense that that's what you do during the week. You do all these two minute drills and red zone drills and then you let the game develop. And Phil Jackson used to never call the first time out. I covered that Blazer Lakers series with the iconic Shaq dunk. The Blazers took 10 point leads multiple times. Phil wanted his team to figure out dilemmas. His theory was, I'm not going to wait. I'm not calling the first time out. I want you to figure it out. Because when that happens again later in a game, we have a dynamic. We have been through this. And so Phil was like, I don't. It's like being a parent. I'm not going to solve all your issues. You need to solve some of your issues. So a lot of this stuff, especially early in the season, I want to see if Cam Ward can handle the clock. We're not going to the Super Bowl. What I have to find out is, can I get him from week three to week 12 to be a better quarterback? I'm not solving all your issues. So I was told that years ago by a guy like, he goes, when people beat, he goes, you don't know the injuries. A lot of times you can't use certain substitution patterns. You're like, why don't you go get this? Yeah, you can't actually use it. But you didn't advertise it to the other team that that tight end is hurt and he's like, there's matchups that are a problem sometimes. A GM told me this once, he goes, you'll go into certain weeks by November and you literally have a guard that it's got 12 to 18 snaps in him. And you're just try. Kurt Schilling once told me when he got old, he goes, I had 12 fastballs. You can't use them in the first two innings. You've got to save them. You'll go in and have a right guard and you're like, he's got about 15 snaps, but we need 40. And so you run to the other side. You don't do as you know, pass protect against that matchup. So it, it literally, you know, there's other things now the backups get hurt and you're like, well, we don't have another slot corner so we're going to have to play softer coverage here because that's a physical receiver. So through the years I've learned there's a lot of stuff you just don't advertise. But you go into games by November, you've got all sorts of holes. You just can't let them know them in the first two drives. 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Colin Cowherd
Lions beat the Ravens 38 to 30 it did not feel like it was 38 to 30. It felt like it was 48 to 20. Detroit was 7 sacks. Really? I mean, I you watch Baltimore and it made you just think less of Baltimore as a franchise. Like, I don't remember the last time Baltimore at home got pushed around like that, especially by an NFC team just completely pushed around. So demoralizing. I mean, if you take away three or four incredible Lamar Jackson plays. He's an insane talent. This game was never really competitive. I mean, at one point the Lions converted seven of ted third and fourth downs. You know, I mean, Lamar Jackson. Not only did Detroit come in and take command early, but then at halftime they got more dominant in the second half. So that's just personnel. And you have to be careful about first impressions, because our first impression of Detroit with new coordinators was the hall of Fame game. They were awful. Then the preseason, you're like, oh, they're bad. And then the opener at Green Bay, and you're like, oh, Detroit, this isn't going to work. They're going to miss Ben Johnson. But what they've done since then is they've really gotten back to basics with the game against the Bears and the game against the Ravens. They're going to run the football. They're going to pound it. And once again, if you looked at the rosters tonight, I mean, obviously Goff and Omaron St. Brown and Hutchinson, the Branch, those are great, great players. Jameer Gibbs. But one of the things Detroit has done exceedingly well, you know, when Sean McVay came to the Rams, the coach turned around the franchise. You could say Shanahan turned around the Niners, but he has a losing record without McCaffrey. Really, Christian McCaffre is the guy that took Kyle Shanahan's ability to magically transform quarterbacks and made it all work. I mean, McCaffrey really has taken them, that offense to a different level. When you look at Detroit, it's their front office. I mean, these rosters, I mean, last year they're falling apart physically. They had to go heavy into the interior line in this draft and they're starting a rookie on the offensive line. Baltimore was a little dinged up on the D line, but you just look at that roster, man, they got good players. I mean, they just have dudes all over that offense. I mean, when you can have elite tackles in this sport, you're one of four or five teams in this league that have elite tackles at both spots. And that's the Lions and they put on a clinic tonight. You know, I take all these notes and I was taking them in the first half like it was going to be a really close finish. But Detroit came in with an. I mean, they had 98 and 96 yard drives. Usually if you say you're going to go on the road, you're going to face a really good franchise, a Pro bowl quarterback, and you're going to be pin deep multiple times in the game. That is really an omen for a tough Monday Night Football game game. Detroit had 98 and 96 yard scoring drives. I mean, it was crazy. And when they went for it on 4th and 2 and Goffitz, that big pass to Amaran St. Brown, of course they went for it. That was an easy one. That just. That's part of their culture. I will say this for Dan Campbell, I thought he had a kind of a goofy opening press conference, but I've told this story several times. I was talking to a general manager in the league who had hired a couple coaches and he said, you're really hiring a CEO. If you can get a great schematic coach like Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan, that's a bonus. What you want is a leader of men. What you want. You know, if a guy is too much about schemes and not about leadership, it's not going to work. That's Mike McDaniel in Miami. It's great that Andy Reid can do both. But you're hiring a leader of men that can build a culture. That's Vrabel, that's Dan Campbell and he has been steadfast. He has never wavered on this. They're going to go for it. They're going to be super aggressive. They're going to be super physical. They put on a clinic. I mean, that is the most impressive game an NFC team has played in Baltimore in five years in almost the Lamar Jackson era. That was a dominating performance. Yeah. I mean, third quarter, Lamar had that drive where he had three connections, two of them to Mark Andrews. Great throw to Mark Andrews in the end zone. But then Goff to Almiron St. Brown answered. Great throw. And boom. 21, 21. So every time Baltimore made something happen, the Ravens came right back. I want to look at a couple of these numbers. By the way, for the record, The Ravens are 1 and 2 for the second straight year. They're going to be fine. But the way they got manhandled tonight. And you know, it's funny, everybody talked about Lamar Jackson being so good on Monday Night Football because he was. What is interesting is how good Jared Goff has been in primetime. He's the opposite of Kirk Cousins. Jared Goff is 11:1 in primetime. And the first big primetime game I remember about Jared Goff is he faced Patrick Mahomes. I think it was going to be in Mexico City. It got postponed. It got moved. They played in the Coliseum pre Sofi, obviously, and he out dueled Patrick Mahomes. And that's the first one I really remember. He was good, but you're like, wow. Wow. Golf gets on heaters. And when he does, it's pretty special. I want to look at. I want to look at right now. Here's the official stats. Detroit had 427 yards, 6.6 yards of play, 25 first downs, perfect on fourth down, dominated time of possession. I mean, to go on the road and have eight penalties and win is something else. I mean, now, again, it wasn't like the Ravens weren't good. On third down, they were 6 of 11, but they allowed seven sacks, and the Lions didn't allow any. What a performance. And think about the team that has been so dominant in the AFC for years, Kansas City. I mean, right now I'm thinking about my super bowl bubble. Do I put Detroit back in it? I mean, I get again, hall of Fame game, preseason opener against Green Bay. They just new coordinators. They looked awful. Johnny Morton tonight, I don't know if he'll call a better game. I mean, it was just. And you know, sometimes coordinators, offensive coordinators say they want to run the ball, but they get too clever, they get too cute. Even Sean McVeigh sometimes can get a little bit cute. I mean, Johnny Morton tonight, he just kept going back to the run. I mean, they didn't. And it didn't. It didn't look like the Ben Johnson Lions. There was no cute. I mean, anytime there was a question what they were going to do, I mean, they did have that double option on fourth and one. They had one, which I think they've run that about once a year the last several years. It feels like maybe more. I don't watch every snap for the Lions. That's just a great call. And if you run it twice a year, you know, it's hard to defend. Really clever. And every time I remember Detroit running it, they've run it well. I think I've seen them run it a couple different times, so. But they didn't outthink the rank. Detroit's like, we're on the road. I mean, how fast did the first half go? Because of both teams were running the first half just flew by. It was really good football. Like, I love football. I like quick football. You can get me beginning to end in 340. That's good football. Sometimes these college games go on forever because a team trails. They have to throw to get back into it. They're not very good at quarterback. The clock is stopping. It's awful. God, that was an incredible performance. If you're a Lions fan, you know, you look at this league on a macro level, as I was saying about Kansas City, look at how Kansas City is just struggling to get their offensive line right, to get their running game right. You know what I think we've seen and tonight is a stamp on it for about four years because the AFC GMs did such a good job to hit on quarterbacks. Herbert Burrow, Lamar Josh Allen, they just kept hitting one after another after another. Even the ones that haven't lived up to the billing, Trevor Lawrence, you know, are still, you know, better than average. And so I felt like, okay, the AFC hit on these quarterbacks, then they had to pay all of them. And the rosters aren't as good. You're watching the Lions roster tonight. The packers, despite losing to Cleveland, great roster. Philadelphia's roster is the best in football. Seattle's roster, they've had back to back to back good drafts. The Rams defensive roster. So what happened is the AFC for about five years with all these great quarterbacks, you're like, wow, there is a gap afc, nfc. Then you have to pay all the quarterbacks in the afc. Okay, now the rosters aren't as good. I mean, Buffalo's back end of their defense, I mean, Ravens defense tonight, especially in the box. I mean, come on, they got pushed around. I mean, Kansas City's defense is playing well, but their offense, the offensive line, the run game, game. So now it feels like to me it has swung back. I mean, I'm thinking top of my head of the teams in the top 10. Tampa's a top 10 team. Seattle is, San Francisco is, Philadelphia is. Green Bay is. I think Detroit has to be. I mean, Kansas City's not. I don't know what you do with Baltimore after tonight. They're going to be fine. They started 1 and 2 last year. They're going to be fine. But Denver hasn't been as good as we thought. Baltimore's off to a 1 and 2 start. Kansas is. City offensively is sputtering. Feels like the NFC not saying that because I work at Fox. It feels like the NFC has had this run. And in the NFC you have really good quarterbacks on reasonable deals. Sam Darnold, Brock Purdy, Baker Mayfield. Jalen Hurts is on a pretty team friendly deal. Dak isn't. But a lot of the NFC quarterbacks who aren't considered superstars, their stars are on better team friendly deals like Darnold and like Baker. Well, that allows you to have better rosters. And my staff does such a Great job. The NFC is 9 and 2 this season against the AFC and boy, tonight was an exclamation point. That was not just the win. That was physical domination. I mean that they, they. That was bully ball that was pushing the Ravens around, man. Aiden Hutchison, they kind of limited Lamar as a runner for the most part. And I like Derek Henry for the record, but since 2019, and this was an Adrian Peterson issue, since 2019, Derrick Henry tied for the most fumbles in the league among running backs. And I know that it was a bad fumble deep in their own territory, you know, feel like, oh, that really hurt the team. That's. That's not what the game was about. That's not what the game was about. You got to be honest, if you're a Ravens fan, this was not your night. Detroit roster better than Baltimore roster. Detroit game plan better than Baltimore game plan. So it's official. Lions win it 38 to 30. It didn't feel like it was 38 to 30. It did not feel like that. The volume the Toyota Certified used vehicle sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars, so don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today, but hurry these great offers and end November 3rd Toyota certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one. Inventory may vary by dealer, participating dealers only. Comprehensive and Powertrain are limited. Warranties ctcuv warranty supplementtoyotacertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details.
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