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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Chiefs Shouldn’t Panic, Daniel Jones An MVP Candidate? Will Belichick Finish The Season? Jared Goff A Hall Of Famer?
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Colin Cowherd
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But if you look at the final stats, Kansas City had 465 yards, 307 yards passing one time of possession 25 to 17 first downs. You know Mahomes had a pick six and did not see the guy. He threw a ball that he didn't see the defender. So I give him a little bit of a pass on that. I don't know what I think Kansas City is really good. I don't think right now they're as consistent as Detroit, but they have a better defense. I don't think they have the consistent pass rush or pass protection of Denver. They don't have the roster of Philly and they don't have the late game magic of Tampa. I think Kansas City outside of those teams is the fourth or fifth best team in the NFL. If they played Green Bay tomorrow, Green Bay's young I wouldn't trust him. I'd take Kansas City Rams again. Rams got outplayed by the Colts. They were lucky to win that game and lost to the Niners. I don't know what to do with the Jags. I don't think the Jags are better than Kansas City. I don't think if they played again Mahomes would have a pick six and it was in Jacksonville, which is not worth much but it was worth something. I really like Kansas City tonight. I think, you know, keep your eye on Burchard Smith. He played at Miami Hurricanes. I think he was a seventh round pick for them between Kelsey Worthy, Hollywood Brown and Burchard Smith is emerging as a real player for them. When Rasheed Rice comes back, Kansas City is going to have a really good receiving core. They pass for over 300 yards tonight. I thought Mahomes was magical. 28 to 37, 307 yards, six rushing attempts, 10 yards per rush. I thought he was unbelievable. He had a bad pick, six and you know he has to be their leading rusher. It's not ideal. I don't think they're a Super bowl team but you know, again, there's not a great team in this league right now. I'm doing the herd hierarchy tomorrow. I don't know what the hell to do with Jacksonville. I don't know what to do with Seattle. I can't put Seattle in and I think they're good. You know, I've. I got the Colts at 10, I got Buffalo at 8 or 9. I'm not sure what to do with Buffalo. I don't trust their defense. I don't have New England in it and they just beat Buffalo. It's. I don't do standings. Jacksonville's 4 and 1. Kansas City is 2 and 3. I think Kansas City's better. I do think they're the better team and I think when they get Rasheed Rice they'll take another jump up. I think Kansas City's an old team. They're going to be built for October, November and December. It's just crazy right now. There's no great teams, there's great coaches, there's great quarterbacks, there's great units. I think the best unit in the league is the running back room for the Lions and the offensive line for the Lions. Offensively, Detroit is just a frickin handful, man. They are just blowing people out. And you have to. Now one of the things I've learned over the last couple years as they've extended the schedule to 17 games, I think one of the things we have to all come to terms with is you just can't count week one. I mean the Raiders beat the Patriots in week one. The Lions got smoked by Green Bay. It's just an extension of preseason because nobody plays starters in the preseason. So week one is really. Teams like it's a. It's an extension of the preseason. You can't. I mean I had a winning blazing five. I don't know how I lucked into that. But week two to now, I mean there's some obvious. I just think the season now is so long that you're just going to have bad home games. I love Buffalo last night. Just the fumbles early. I think Buffalo is better than New England. I think they played him five times and we beat him four out of five times and beat him last night. At home. So I, you know, I watched this game and I. It looked, you know, I thought it would be a little lower scoring. I thought it was wildly entertaining. You know, Trevor Lawrence. I was the one of the first Trevor Lawrence fanboys. I saw him in high school. I went to a camp in San Diego and he was down there with all that wild hair. And I came back on the air and I said, man, I just saw one of the best high school quarterbacks I've ever seen. He was insane, but he is, man. Fumbles. Fumble at the goal line. Bad interception. You know, the pick six Mahomes did not see the defender. You know, the timing and the spot of that interception by Trevor Lawrence felt like it was worse. And he's just worth a couple of turnovers, it feels like in big spots. But I will say is Jacksonville's problem isn't talent. It's sort of belief. I mean, for them to travel cross country and beat San Francisco, that's impressive. They had a really good special teams day, so they're finding kind of different ways to win Kansas City. Give Trevor Lawrence credit, though, in that final drive. Holy moly crow, that he have a couple of darts and Kansas City was bringing heat and Spags was bringing like safety blitz and he escaped and he almost fell down on that winning touchdown. It was not artistic, but he. That throw to Michael Thomas up the right sideline, that is as good a throw as Trevor Lawrence has made as a. As a professional quarterback. That was a perfect throw. That was all time stuff. That's Eli Manning. Demario Manningham in the super bowl when he fits it in the bread basket. That throw by Trevor Lawrence will go down as one of his great throws as a pro to beat Kansas City. So, you know, I know the records say that the Jags are a better team. I'm not sure they are. You know, I don't think New England's better than Buffalo. I just thought it was a great night for them and a great win. Um, I don't know what I'm going to do with the Herd hierarchy. I think Detroit's the best team in the league right now, but I. There's an argument. Tampa second. I thought Tampa beating Seattle and Seattle was so impressive. Well, because games are played on Mondays, a couple of them, and Thursdays, you don't always get the greatest Sunday slate, but some of the games today were Fantastic. Tampa Bay 38 walk off field goal to win it over Seattle 35. It looked like young Brady and Peyton Manning. I don't remember a game like that. Darnold always been a little more athletic than Baker had a couple of all timers, Baker just kept. They couldn't stop him. You know, Seattle's defense has really shut down a lot of good offenses in the last couple years, especially at the end of last year. Baker had no problem with it. Ibuka had no problem with it. I guess my takeaway from this game was if these two met in the NFC championship, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, it's an offensive league. I would not be shocked. I don't think tonight was a mirage. I think those are really good quarterbacks and really good teams full of excellent young players. And by the way, John. John Middelkoff, two of the best GMs. These rosters have dudes everywhere.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, totally agree. I mean, at one point in time, Colin, it was 21 21. They were 39 of 45 for 450 yards and three touchdowns like this. But it just kept going on. I mean, they made play after play outside the construct of the play, right? Both of them scrambling around. We know Darnold. I mean, Baker now is a mobile, you know, behind the line of scrimmage. Keep. They were fantastic. That was as entertaining of a game. Watching these two guys that have clearly resurrected their career now for a couple of years, that was awesome. I mean, those guys. I know Sam, you know, the lasting image will be him throwing the interception, but that was on Todd Bowles called an incredible blitz. You saw in motion replay. It wasn't a bad pass. He got hit and the ball went in the wrong direction. Both those guys could miss. They, they felt like a, you know, Steph Curry, when every time he shot, you just think the ball is going to hit nothing but net. With both quarterbacks. Abuka, I mean, that draft pick. One thing I was taught a long time ago is at the time they drafted him, you're like, well, they got Mike Evans and Chris Godwin's coming back. They got otten. They got multiple running backs. Why do they need a weapon? Because a position of strength can become a position of weakness with an injury or two. Look at the Chargers. Best offensive line in the league now. You're looking like, who are these guys playing tackle for him? Injuries happen. I mean, this guy, I don't want to say saving their season, but you know, Godwin's been out and then he comes back and then Evans gets hurt and this guy. Find me a better rookie right now in the NFL than a mecca he's been.
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Danny Parkins
Remember a couple of years ago? Of course. You do. Atlanta drafted Robinson, Bijan Robinson, the running back.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
And I had a GM say he's Ladanian Tomlinson. There's no flaw, good teammate, good blocker, everything. Ibuka, because he wasn't like a four, three guy, doesn't go in the top, you know, seven or eight. But I had an executive in the league say he's a flawless receiver, routes, teammate, toughness, catch hands. He's like, there's just no flaw. But he'll drop because he's not huge. And he's not, you know, he doesn't have a unicorn body type and he's not a complete burner. He is just a great football player. I mean he is open. He doesn't drop it. He runs Great. He runs 10 year veteran routes. And Seattle's secondary is good, Seattle's defense is good and they torched it today.
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Colin Cowherd
I would say the same thing about jsn. Also happened to be an Ohio State guy. I mean I looking at the numbers right now, they combined for 15 catches, almost 300 yards and multiple touchdowns. But both those guys are good examples, right? Neither of them would go in the top 10 because they're not quite big enough. They're more slot receivers. Like no, they can do everything. They can play inside, they can play outside. You know what they do? They get open every single play. Elite players, elite character guys. Like you said, elite teammates. And sometimes that wide receiver, right? And you've been on this for decades, the little diva, ish. These guys are rare breeds. I mean these, these guys are wired like quarterbacks or safeties or middle lines.
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Danny Parkins
I think a lot of it, John, is because when you are as big as DK Metcalf, he was that big in the seventh grade. He was the biggest, strongest kid and everybody was in awe of him. Whereas Jackson, Smith and Jigba, Mika Buka, they weren't the biggest kids, they weren't the fastest kids. They got there because they had a lot of talent and they worked their ass off to become great receivers. And I think Mike Evans is the rare big strong guy, but super humble, hardworking Keenan Allen. But Keenan's not a burner either. A lot of times the Antonio Browns, the DK Metcalf, the guys that just are have been gifted the fastest kid in every class. Tyreek Hill was probably the fastest kid in the fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade, and you know, things come easy for you. So a lot of these great receivers like Larry Fitzgerald, you can just see the work ethic, you know, like Puka Nakua, fifth round guy Amaron St. Brown. Look at the best receivers right now in the league. Puka Amaran, St. Brown. These two rookies, it's a lot of guys that are talented, but you'd view them as classic overachievers. None of them are burners, none of them outside Mike Evans don't walk into a room and inspire awe. They're just dudes who got some genetic gifts, work super hard and it's just like you go find a great attorney. He had smart parents, he didn't have dummies as parents. But the truth is he put the effort in because there's a million attorneys. You got to fight through it. So I just watch JSN and A Booka and I just look at. To me you really have to be careful when drafting wide receivers. I mean I saw another running back drop the ball at the goal line today. Arizona Tennessee. Like you watch Arizona Tennessee today, there's talent on the field, but just not just airs and fumbles. Kyler Murray at one point left the game. I'm not even sure he got hit like moods. And I just watched Tampa and I watch Seattle and I see great GMs and a lot of good character guys and a lot of tough guys and a lot of redemption stories. That was so much fun.
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Colin Cowherd
I also think it's a, if you're a defensive coach out there, like an assistant or a coordinator, it shows you. Obviously these offensive coordinators have taken over the league and rightfully so. The quarterback's really important. But Todd Bowles is an old school, like a safety from the 80s, right. Who has become, you know, he was Bruce Arians right hand man for a long time. He got some experience with the jets. Like he's a really good coach and he's an excellent defensive coordinator. I've been saying for years Mike McDonald is basically Kyle or Sean. He just happens to call defense. If he was an offensive coordinator, we would speak about him no differently than we do Kevin o'. Connell. But he's a defensive guy and you saw today, those guys have empowered their quarterback. They're. I mean Todd's probably one of the great blitz callers in league history. You know, Spags has turned into one Jim Johnson forever. It's a skill. And that, that won them the game because that was a game. And even for a split second when they had tied the game, I went, Todd's gonna allow them to go for two. And it turned out it was just Baker holding it up, hoping they would give, I think Todd Gold, you know, the field goal kicker on but that's another thing. I mean in a, in a day and age when these field goals are kind of getting blocked. Their field goal kicker in Tampa, I don't know if the guy's missed. I mean he's game winner after game winner. Pretty nails also when the guy hit the ground on essentially the game winning run. Probably could have got a couple more yards. But you talk about coaching, clearly told him in the huddle, if you break this, it's an outbreaking run. If you get near the sideline, whether it's a first down or not, get to the ground. Right. We have seen in college and the pro, sometimes guys like they have a, you know, brain fart, they go out of bound, they save the team a timeout. So it's just, just a high level operation. I'm with you. That game, I think Seattle's going nowhere. I mean the 49ers are 4 and 1, but half their teams on injured res. Tampa, I mean it's Tampa 49er game next week. You know, Tampa now has to fly. I mean what time are they going to get out of there? Seven o', clock, Pacific standard time. They won't get home till the middle of the night. The 49ers have this long break. They're missing a ton of players. That's, that's a huge win for them though. I mean that's a, that's a mass go on the road to Seattle. And 4 and 1.
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Danny Parkins
Todd Bull struggled with the Jets. Darnold disaster with the Jets. Devonte Adams, disaster with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers, much better version of Aaron Rodgers. It's a cesspool. And we'll get into the jets loss today which may have been like Rich Cotite level bad. Think about, people aren't only leaving the jets and winning, they're flourishing. They lead their division. They're MVP candidates. That is a bad organization. I remember when Todd Bowles was with the jets, you know, and people would always rip him. He was a little like Karl Durell, UCLA the first year. He didn't even know. He didn't have much of a Persona on the sideline. He got lost within the sideline. You couldn't find him. But Todd was always so smart and so thoughtful and he was just one of those guys like he didn't want, you know, he was the opposite of Rex Ryan. Like he didn't want any attention. But over the course of your life, if you do good work and you just keep your head down, a lot of people get fired. It doesn't mean anything. You'll be rewarded. Todd Bowles was too good not to succeed in this league. Totally, Sam.
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Colin Cowherd
And look at. You know, I think you brought up the two GMs. You know, Mike going to have a long career, came from the Ravens. But Todd, imagine if he would have got a second opportunity with the Carolina Panthers or some of these franchises. But he got Jason Light, who anyone in the league will tell you is easily one of the best gms. Just a high level, humble guy who's seen it all, worked for everyone that mattered in the league over the last 20 years. And their team, like they have had so many injuries and you watch them play. I mean, offensively, they're missing their starting running back and their hall of fam wide receiver. And how many points did they just. I mean, they scored 38 points. I mean, that's on the road against Seattle. Wow, what a game.
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Danny Parkins
Seattle is a Sam Darnold fumble and a Sam Darnold pick. And both times he like either bumped into a teammate or had somebody bump into him or Seattle could be an undefeated team. So this game is. Seattle's a really good team. They're the second youngest offense in the league. So if you're a Seahawk fan, you got some good years ahead. You know, it's. It's also. I don't know, I mean, I wouldn't worry about drafting a quarterback if I'm Seattle. I think they found. I mean, Darnold's still young. He's still totally. When he. When he was drafted by the jets, he was 21. I think he's 27 or 28 now. You have four more. Five more peak years.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, to me. I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about college. You look around the landscape of college football, it doesn't look like a lot of Joe Burrows coming into the league here. I would say this, though. Sometimes there's a win, win fit matters. Like I'm way better off as a podcaster than I was local radio and we had ties to the team. It's not Kubiak. Like they hire Kubiak and they get rid of Ryan Grubb. Well, Ty Simpson and Alabama are rolling, right? And Ryan Grubb's much better fit for college. And they get Kubiak, who's more of a run heavy, great for Sam. And it's just worked out for both parties, right? Kubiak last year, fired as well. Sometimes in football you just get with the right person. Sam. Now look at Sam. Now we talk about the jets for three straight years. Kyle Kyle embraces him, Purdy embraces him, changes the way we talk about him. Then he gets his opportunity with Kevin. Now he's in Seattle. I mean, just flourishing. Same thing with Baker Mayfield. He goes to Tampa, gets around Jason Light, gets around to Mike Evans and just a more low key environment. I've been there. I've never lived there like you, but it's just an easier place to just kind of ease into things.
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Danny Parkins
Ian Baker, the media in Tampa is more supportive. Baker's one of those guys that sometimes if he feels like he has to overcome the GM and the coach, that he tries too hard. He's very composed now. He's got a support system. He's happily married. Baker has nothing to prove. Everybody knows he's good. He's playing with a very controlled chip on his shoulder, but it's a good chip on his shoulder.
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Snacks
I agree.
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Danny Parkins
It's like he doesn't have to prove anything. Everybody loves him in Tampa and in Cleveland, he and Hugh Jackson battled and then Freddie Kitchens and then the gm and then the media was on his ass because the Cleveland media is, you know, it's bitter, it's. And I don't blame them. Tampa's got trophies, they don't. So I think it's, and I, you know, people, I know they find this hard to believe, but I root for young people to succeed. One of my favorite part of the volume is watching young people at my age, you're young. I think it's great for Baker. It makes me very happy that he's kicking butt. Today's show, brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. The Hard Rock Bet Sportsbook app's clean, easy to use, lets you see all the top trends, what everybody else is betting on the weekend. So we head into Week 6 NFL slate. If you're still deciding what to bet on or just want an edge others don't have, check out the Hard Rock Bet app. The stats hub breaks down the latest line moves and kind of surprising trends. You don't, you don't want to miss it. You can find live odds right in the Hard Rock Bet app. If you haven't placed your first bet on Hard Rock Bet, it's not too late. Place your first $5 bet. If you win, you'll score 150 in bonus bets on top of your payout. So plus, on Sunday on Hard Rock Bet, you can get a Sunday parlay boost for the games. So boost the same game parlay or SGS or SGP Max. So your bet pays extra Winnings Then you get to run it back on Monday night with another profit boost. So there's new promos daily. So if you're listening to this later, just open the app, check out what we've got any day of the week. It's great. Payable and bonus bets. Not a cash offer offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida offered by Seminole hard Rock Digital LLC in all of their states. Must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia. To play terms and conditions concerned about gambling in Florida, call 1-888- admit it in Indiana. If you or somebody you know has a problem wants help, call 1-800-9 with it gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia if you smoke or dip, I'm going to give you a few good reasons to try Zynn Zyn Nicotine Pouches first, it's America's number one nicotine pouch brand and Zynn offers a robust rewards program. There's a lot of options for nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zinn. So if you go to zyn.com find that's z y-n.com find to find Zyn at a store near you. This product does contain nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. I want to talk about the Colts beat the Raiders. This was my favorite pick of the week. Got this one 40 to 6. Colts beat the Raiders. I will die on this hill. I think the Colts have a top six roster in the league. I love their offensive line. I think they have stars. I don't care if it's Pittman Warren. Jonathan Taylor's outstanding. He just doesn't he's not up. You know, Saquon Barkley is, you know, you get these running backs who stylistically they pop. And Jonathan Taylor was always just a speed guy out of college. He wasn't shifty. He was like, oh, like track guy. Just oh, behind that offensive line. I swear to God, John, like it's just he three yards before he gets touched. I don't know what Pete Carroll's fascination that's nine picks and six games for Geno in his last six games. I think it's something like that. Six touchdowns and nine picks this year. Six touchdowns, nine picks for Gino. That's that is the Geno comeback story is over. It's the opposite of what Pete Carroll likes. He is so much about clean football. Run, run the game, run the ball. I think the Raiders are just a big work in progress. When Colton Miller gets hurt o line, it's just one of the worst five in the league. But you look at the Colts, I mean, the Chiefs will probably beat the Jags tomorrow. I don't know. I look at the Colts like I look at Tampa. Now, Baker's better than Daniel Jones, but coaches who some people started doubting, you know, like Steichen with Anthony Richardson. Oh, Steichen's lost his magic. But that Tampa roster went healthy. That Colts roster, I know they're a middle of the country, flyover country. I think the Colts are good. I really do.
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Colin Cowherd
DJ had a pass, a touchdown where he rolled out and everyone's going to be, it's the Raiders. It's not about the opponent where he was just on the move. Guy in the back of the end zone, he split it through a defender. You know, I've always compared him to Alex Smith. He's got a better arm than Alex Smith.
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Danny Parkins
No question.
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Colin Cowherd
His arm actually is better than I thought. And sometimes it just takes you with a credible offense to really get to see that arm talent. It's pretty, you watch Baker and Sam, you're like, these guys can sling it. You're watching Daniel Jones in 2025. I would have said forever. He's got an average to below average arm. Like his arm is more than strong enough. He's not Josh Allen, but it's, he's, he's heaving that thing in there. And I to, to me, the Warren pick looks fantastic. He has been easily one of the best rookies in the league. I mean, obviously the, the Raiders are bad, but I, I would say the Colts, I, I, I think the Colts can win a playoff game. I mean, I think the Colts can be a factor in the, it's definitely opening more up.
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Snacks
Right.
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Danny Parkins
They are the most efficient offense in the league. They went 8 for 10 on third down. So they've become an incredibly efficient offense. John. They had the ball only 26 minutes. They scored 40 points. No offense in this league is more efficient. I know going into the Rams game, Daniel Jones is 20th, 29. So it's like we look at Baker and Sam. I mean, it's really the story this year is the story of redemption. I mean, Baker leads his division. Sam's great. Daniel Jones, it's.
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Colin Cowherd
I do wonder if you got Shane Steichen over Cocktails and Ballard if they knew like when they truly was it a week into training camp? This isn't even a close competition. Did they know before training camp just based on it?
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Danny Parkins
They did. I think they did. I had. Listen, I was talking to Steve Keim about a year ago and we were out and I said, what do you make of Anthony Richardson? And Steve said, man, Colin. He said, you gotta be able to hit those layups in the flat. And he said, I looked at some of the film and he's like, if anybody can do it, Shane Steichen can fix it. But Kaiman and I were talking about it and he just said, if you have to work on that stuff, if you're spending a lot of practice time on that stuff, it's really hard because generally with Baker, you're dealing with high end stuff. Baker solved all that stuff. With Baker, it can be concepts and defense. You're not worried about the layup stuff. And then I talked to somebody else, an active GM in the league, and he echoed what Steve Kaiman told me. It's just like, gosh, if you're struggling with the underneath stuff, you're spending a lot of time on that. You have to spend so much time on that to get that right. Well, then you're not really. That's elementary stuff in the league. You're not dealing with a second and third and fourth level stuff. You also can't call a game that you want to call in the NFL. I remember I got off the phone with this GM in the league and my take was, well, God, if. If I don't trust a guy to throw it downfield, I can't call the same game. I just eliminated 35% of the playbook. So I think with Daniel Jones, you can use the whole playbook. That's the difference.
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Colin Cowherd
Isn't it crazy? You know, the redemption season, Even watching Carson Wentz with Kevin o', Connell, it's like he actually doesn't look that terrible. You know, I mean, it's like this. It the power of some of these offensive coordinators that also, because what are usually offensive coordinators or head coaches have pretty good skilled guys around them, right? Kevin o', Connell, they got a pretty loaded roster, you know, Shane Steichen, they've invested some picks and some money into the offensive skill guys, right? You play for Shanahan, you play for McVeigh, you play for LaFleur. Like, they emphasize that side of the ball in terms of people, you know, the wide receivers, the running backs, the tight ends. These guys look a lot better than some of the franchise that failed them. I mean, you go back to the Giants, I mean, Daniel Jones was horrendous. I get asked a lot like, is this going to be If Daniel Jones, I mean, is in the MVP conversation, this team wins 13 or 14 games. Clear. The Giants aren't. What were they going to win? Five games. And listen, it was time for a breakup. I didn't blame them. It was not working. But this is one of those things, like, oh, ultimately, Saquon Barkley is much better with a great offensive line. But if I'm, you know, the Giants ownership, I pay my head coach. Who's the play caller? I know he's kind of bounced around being the play caller, but he's an offensive guy to fix that position. And this guy, we had this guy. Hell, we paid this guy. And then he goes to another offensive coordinator who's the head coach and looks like Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield. How's that possible? You know, how can that happen? This guy is going to get. I mean, Shane Psychic and Chris Balor are going to get contract extensions, I would imagine, before the playoffs start. It's going that well.
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Danny Parkins
All right. Danny Parkins, as he is prone to do at least once a month, sometimes more. FS1 is joining us, and it's a day of breaking news. There are multiple reports. This is crazy. Sometimes you don't predict something, but you're not surprised when it happens. Like, your buddy who drives too fast, you wouldn't predict. He gets into a wreck. But if it happens, you know, bangs into a fire hydrant and you'd be like, well, Bob drives a little fast. Bill Belichick may not last the season. They're working on a buyout. And, you know, first of all, whenever you get a friends and family staff, he and Mike Lombardi, kids on the staff, highly compensated. Never a huge fan of that, but I think sometimes we look at college as this inferior product to the NFL. And in terms of, like, talent, it is. But it is a really hard trail to navigate. Donors, boosters, Nil. Ad, ncaa. When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner, then you kind of just do what you want to do. I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door to tell Andy what to run on second and four. I could argue there are more landmines for a college coach than a pro coach. And I just don't think Bill at this point has the tolerance for it. That's kind of my take. He just. He's just not built for college football.
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Snacks
I don't think he ever wanted to be there in the first place. I said it at the time. I was like, I'm going to be the last person who believes that this is going to actually happen. It all felt beneath him. I remember when he was photographed at a Chick Fil a in Atlanta after his interview with Arthur Blank. That was two hiring cycles ago. And then he did all of the media jobs and he was hoping to get another NFL job and it never came. And so he was like, well, I guess coaching in college is better than coach than, than doing media. And I'm sure for a lifelong coach, that is correct. But then you saw the buyout reports that it dipped down to just a million bucks. It was like, oh, he wants to leave open any path to get back to the NFL. He never wanted to be there in the first place. And then on top of it, the embarrassment with whatever you think about the girlfriend situation, the reporting around that, the losing and then that's all before any of the things that you're talking about, which are of course totally true and valid. But like if you didn't really want to be there in the first place and then you start getting mocked for being there and then you start losing and you've got 18 year old kids mouthing off to you like, like he has to be miserable right now. Colin.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. And like Lombardi's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had some early success at Notre Dame, but Charlie's got kind of that gruff northeast personality and that's fine. Some of those guys lived out there for 10 years. I liked a lot of guys like that. They're really, bottom line, they're kind of gruff, they're kind of curt. But you know, Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got a little y'. All. It's, it's, you know what I mean? Like Roy Williams, Dean Smith. There's a certain sensibility to it and I just, it's a weird fit to me. Like, I think I've told you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed with this, but I'm always surprised when very success when very successful seemingly bright older men can't aren't self aware like Bobby Knight. Bobby, you got to do the one and done. Everybody's doing it. You're going to get inferior players just too stubborn. And Bill Belichick, Bill, you can't spit on Robert Kraft like he's an owner. Owners are tight. Don't. You're not going to win. It'd be like me going against the Murdochs. Like just be a good employee, work your butt off. If they do something you don't like, eat it, deal with it. It's like, like I just, sometimes I see These older men, and they get stuck in their ways. We all know in our 20s, you kind of have to follow in line. Maybe it's the wealth, maybe it's the. I don't give a damn. But, I mean, the idea that he wouldn't, like, tweet Drake May, you know, stuff because he was a patriot, like, does that. I don't know. Have you ever thought about that? We've seen, like, the Tony larouses, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights. You're like, guys, rigid punctures, brilliance. Don't do it.
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Snacks
Yeah. I mean, Barack Obama said it recently. I mean, and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something like, 80% of the world's problems involve old men hanging on who are afraid of death and insignificance. Like, there's something to that. And we've got, like, an age minimum for you to be president. I'd be interested in an age maximum. You know, like. Like a sweet spot there for just, like, you want the people who are governing on the things in our world. Like, it's like, maybe impacts them. And so, yeah, I think, like, not to come across as too ageist here, but. Because there are clearly exceptions to the rule. But I didn't want. I would have wanted my NFL team to hire Pete Carroll. And I know you disagreed on that and you like Pete Carroll, and by all accounts, Pete Carroll is like a young mid-70s guy.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, that's what I say. He was an exception.
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Snacks
Sure. And that's. And that's fine.
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Colin Cowherd
And I'll.
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Snacks
And I'll. You know better than I do, so I'll grant you that one. But, like, the Bears had an opening. If you told me it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take Ben Johnson 11 times out of 10, even though he's not proven as a head coach and Pete Carroll is. But I'd be betting on upside. I'd be betting on ability to connect with young players. I'd be betting on a longer Runway where he could stay there. So, yeah, I think that it's a real danger for a ton of people like that. They just get caught in their way. They get stuck in their ways, and they don't evolve. You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was pitching these kids that, like, North Carolina was going to be, like, the 33rd NFL team. That just seems laughable now. It seems so laughable that he thought that he could just show up in Chapel Hill with inferior talent and just be a pipeline to the pros. Plug for my book, by the way.
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Danny Parkins
Pipeline. Yeah, the whole thing. You know, there's a serious argument to me made. I've said this before, men are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines, but we break up with somebody and don't even text. We can get into wars. We can always rationalize getting into wars. We can never get out of them. Men are bad at exits. And when somebody goes through something, I put myself in that spot. I think what would I would have done? And I look when Brady retired in New England and my take just for selfishly for legacy preservation, I would have said, listen, I owe the Craftsman one year of stability and I'm going to root for Tom Brady harder than anybody's ever rooted for a player. We'll never be the same franchise without Tom. I'm going to stay for one year to just get some stability here and get people kind of ready, and then I'm going to retire. And Bill has kind of a walk off here because if you remember, they get Cam Newton. He prays Cam Newton. Cam was past his prime, but, you know, it was okay. Here comes Mac Jones. You know, there was a real moment in time. Bill didn't need the money and he knew the team wasn't as good. And then he kind of stayed and stayed. In fact, I said this on the air, Danny, I said, I don't think this is true. But knowing Bill's petty and grudge holding personality, go to that last draft that Bill controlled, slowest team in the league, two kickers and three interior linemen. It was like he was saying, I'm going to leave you with an awful roster. I mean, at one point they drafted three guards, like two kickers and they had no speed. And I think I really do. If you look at that last draft when Belichick knew he was in trouble, it was the decisions. MATT PATRICIA OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR it was like he wanted to humiliate. He knew his legacy was set. He wanted to humiliate the franchise. I know it sounds crazy and I don't believe it's true, but it's not the nuttiest thing I've ever said.
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Snacks
Well, no, that's a high bar to clear.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Snacks
I mean, he, the Patricia, the drafts, like, I think there's like a real legitimate argument to make when you look at the drafts and beyond the last one of like Bill Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton to.
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Danny Parkins
Be desired on the offensive side. That's kind of right.
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Snacks
Exactly. And so he is. Someone asked me earlier, like, do you think this impacts his legacy because you kind of hinted at that. I don't think so. I think that it's humiliating right now. This is very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I thought that, like I said, I said it on FS1 when I was doing Breakfast Ball. I was like, I don't believe that he's going to go to North Carolina because I don't believe he wants to do it it. And now he's just kind of seen it through and it's clearly going horribly. But, like, in 20 years when we're talking about the greatest coaches of all time, he's going to be on everyone's Mount Rushmore. Like, that's. That his legacy is secure. We, we, we don't talk about Wizards. We don't talk about Emmett Smith with the Cardinals. Like, this is like a of the moment thing now, if you want to have the. Like. Who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty, Brady or Belichick?
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Danny Parkins
Pretty clear. Pretty clear. Pretty clear.
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Snacks
Even though, like, some of the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was really Brady, those were more Belichick, but, like, the majority of them were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously Bill won the. Or Tom won the breakup with what happened in Tampa. So, like, if you're having that specific legacy conversation, Brady over Belichick, I think now is going to be not a majority opinion. Like, I think it's going to be a consensus. But his, but his, like, greatest football coach of coaches of your lifetime. Like, he's.
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Danny Parkins
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Snacks
I saw you had a Jared Goff. You have him as a Hall of Famer.
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Danny Parkins
No, I said he will be a Hall of Famer. Absolutely. You know, since 2017. So that's going to be nine years. He's like, first in passing touchdowns. First. Like, I think people are shocked. He's had seven offensive coordinators. He was great with six. Like, like, he works with everybody. And I think to me, that's always been it. It'd be one thing if we're in tv and you had this one great producer. And the rest of your career, eight shows bomb. It's like, okay, who was your partner? Who was your producer? Seven coordinators, six. He's crushed. And it's like, guys, I always think hall of fames are great. 10 years. That's why I never understood the Jim Rice. I know he wasn't, he was difficult with the press or something, but Jim Rice, when I was a kid, was the best right handed American League power hitter for a decade. Like, it was just like he was one of two. He and Fred Lynn were the Red Sox. And like people went back and forth and I'm like, what? Ten years of greatness is hard. Your peak may be eight physical years. And so if you look at Jared Goff, he has eight great years. Well, this front office is so good. Amaron St. Brown's in his prime. The running backs one's young, one's not that old. Panay Sewell is just entered his prime. He's going to have three to four big years with Detroit or somebody. Jared's a Hall of Famer and he's, he's made no enemies. Even McVeigh feels guilty for letting him go.
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Snacks
Well, he's definitely, he's definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah. And I mean Laporta and Jameson Williams are young, you know, so yeah, he's got, he's got plenty, plenty of young talent. The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say is because I love the Lions and they've been my super bowl pick three years in a row. So eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just a stats thing, you know, like it's, it's, it's not like he, he does, he will need to hoist a trophy because like, I think Stafford is in. Because Stafford is going to finish sixth all time in passing.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, Stafford's in.
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Snacks
I agree. And he had. Andy has the trophy. But like, if Stafford didn't have the.
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Danny Parkins
Trophy very hard, probably not.
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Snacks
That's what. But he's got numbers that are farce. I mean, obviously we'll see where Jared Goff ends up. But like, it's not like a guarantee that Jared Goff ends up top five all time in passing yards. He, he might, but it helps.
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Danny Parkins
It does help. Even though it's not linear, it does help that golf is better with the Lions than Stafford was.
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Snacks
Yes, yes.
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Danny Parkins
I mean you look at it and you're like, God, golf crushed. And Stafford never did. Now one of them had the best young GM in the sport or one of the best GMs. So it's not app apples to orange apples. Right. It's different. But I do think there's, you know, that's just one of those things you look at and you're like, well, golf won big in Detroit and we all know it's same ownership, right. You know, quirky head coach. And Dan Campbell, he didn't have McVeigh.
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Snacks
Yeah, but I. But I think that like, like in a vacuum in their prime starting a team. Right? Stafford. Exactly. Exactly. And so. And again, that's also not the criteria for the hall of.
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Danny Parkins
Right.
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Snacks
But I remember a GM was like my job is to evaluate individual talent amidst the team sport. Like, that's like the job of the football general manager. Right. And so like it's why I've always been a big Herbert guy. And like it just I watch him and now not everyone is a free agent. We are not doing this to start a team. But I'm like, that guy is one of the five best at the position. He just doesn't have. You don't have the trophy case for it.
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Danny Parkins
It.
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Snacks
Stafford in his prime always felt like the same type of thing to me. Like, I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability to build a team around Matt Stafford, to give Brett Veach to give Brad Holmes the general manager of the Lions. Like the built to build around the great quarterback because the he's a Hall of Fame talent. And now I do think that Stafford has enough of a resume that he will ultimately get in Goff, I think is going to need a trophy. Like if he is has regular season success and counting stats. The Pro Football hall of Fame is really tough to get into. So I think they're going to have to break through and start winning in the playoffs.
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Danny Parkins
I want to end with this because it's kind of a think piece. Derek Thompson writes for the Atlantic. He's one of my favorite writers. He's kind of a theorist. He loves new data. He loves culture changes. And last week he was talking and he acknowledges he is center left. And he admits it. He doesn't hide it. But I think he's a really interesting read. I think he does a podcast for the ringer at the volume. We were really interested in him. We didn't reach out, but he was one of the two or three people that we were just fascinated with. And it's really an interesting thing he brought up this week. He was complaining about conservatives doing something and he goes, but what equally drives me crazy is that progressives In California, many are against Waymo. And their take is, we are unemploying people. This is not good for jobs. And his argument was, time out. We do not want to be the party that's anti tech. The conservatives are anti science. We can't be anti tech. And I read that, and I thought it is fascinating. I used to live in Oregon, very liberal. And gas stations, you can't pump your own gas. And Oregon's theory is it keeps thousands of people employed in the state of Oregon. And it rains a lot. So I kind of like somebody pumping my gas, to be honest with you. And by the way, gas stations are kind of dirty. You know, you're touching stuff. So it's like, I always kind of thought it was cool. You talk to the guy or gal, and it's like, that's good. So where would you fall on this? It absolutely will create job loss. I mean, there's no question Uber drivers are in big trouble in California because I'm telling you, where I live, Waymo, cars are everywhere, Danny. And I prefer them. Nothing against the driver, but no driver. Yeah. And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants to ask me about the eagles. I get in the car, it gets there fast, and I'm a Waymo guy. Wow. Then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs. As somebody, you acknowledge you're center left. What do you do if you're a Democrat in California? So my take is I'm pro technology and nobody has a right to a job. I grew up in a fishing village, and because the state of Washington limited a salmon distribution or the number of salmon you could catch, salmon fishermen lost work. And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of a man of nature and a man of earth and a fisherman, and I used to argue with him, I'm going into broadcasting. If radio die tomorrow, I don't have a right to a job. And so it was like, just because you're a fisherman at 28 doesn't mean you're one at 48. Like, states have legislation, they protect our earth. So I'm for Waymo, which means I'm kind of for job loss. Where do you land?
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Snacks
Yeah, that's a good one. I think.
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Danny Parkins
In.
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Snacks
I am pro innovation, and I am. And, like, there's a lot of problems with capitalism, but it might be. It's the best. We got like, a play on that. The old, you know, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other ones, you know, and so, like, do. Are there problems with it? Yes, Are there unintended consequences? Absolutely. But I don't think you want to be in the business of stifling innovation, because what's the next thing that. That would. Like, I'd be thrilled if there was some level of innovation that made pediatric cancer doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it, you know, and so, like, it's the type of thing where just in general innovation is good. Like the easy pass put toll booth workers out of business, but it's objectively better. Like, we don't have to stop. We don't have to keep coins in our car. We can just keep going on our drive. But it put people out of business for a better way of life. So I've never been in a driverless car before, so I'm glad the guy wouldn't be the test case space for it. So, like, I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's going well. But, like, I think that type of if, if they can do it, and they clearly can, and I, I'm aware of Waymo, and I'm aware of the fact that this is becoming more and more popular. Like, it's just going to lead to less auto crashes. It's going to lead to people being safer. It's going to lead to fewer. It's going to lead to fewer deaths.
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Danny Parkins
Oh, no question. Also, there are safety concerns with women and male Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Uber. There have been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look at the history of Uber, and there have been lots of lawsuits. You eliminate that. You eliminate. I mean, there's no question the number of car desks will plummet in America.
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Snacks
So, like, that, to me, an obvious negative is the job loss, but there are so many also positives that come with it. It that, that one, to me is not terribly difficult to be like, yeah, like, I'm fine with it. I'm fine. I'm fine with it. Like, and in general, again, like, I. There's a. There was a story arc in the Wire. The Wire, to me, is the greatest television show ever. And that show came out 20 years ago, 20 plus years ago. But, like, the, the. The dock workers and how they could unload and offload ships, like cargo ships, big containers that weigh, you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff. And there were the, the stevedores were like, that's gonna put us out of jobs. And. And they're like, yeah, but you're not gonna die on the job. And then the stevedore's like, but I'd rather get injured on the job and have a job. But that's not, that's not the point. The guy who developed the technology to offload the cargo ship faster, more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries. That guy created that company to do it. That was innovation. It was progress moving it forward. And so it sucks. And by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I turned 39 in two weeks. I have no idea what the next 20 years of media is going to look like and what my career in this industry, cable television, cord cutting, podcasting, it keeps evolving. We have to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't. I feel bad for the individual who would lose their job enough to make me anti innovation and progress.
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Danny Parkins
I mean, listen, I did local TV sports that kind of dried up.
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Snacks
That was, that's a good example that, that was a job that in Chicago.
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Danny Parkins
You make a million dollars a year 20 years ago.
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Snacks
Correct, correct. That's exactly. That was a seven figure job into the, the first part of the 21st century. Like Mark Jean Greco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend, covered like the bulls, dynasties and all that. He was still making north of a million dollars into the 2000s. Now the people that have that job, low six figures and nobody watches, you know, it's just a, it's just a completely different ecosystem. And that's just the, that's the way of the world. So are you, are you, you're totally. Have you ever had an issue, by.
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Danny Parkins
The way, driverless car, Waymo?
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Snacks
Yeah. The vast majority of people here have never been in a drive listening to this. Have never been in a driverless car.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, I've been in three. They're fantastic. And I'm not really, I'm not anti Uber. I've spent a lot of money on Uber. But there is a gap in Uber drivers and if you go the lower levels of Uber. I had an Uber driver because I had a very short drive recently in Chicago. He pulled up to my street and stopped in the middle of the street. Didn't pull into my driveway. There were 30 cars as I walked on the road to get in and like bowed my head and apologized and I mean, yeah, and it was the cheapest level of it because it was like a six minute drive to the train station. So like Waymo, everybody's good. They're all the exact same. There's no good, bad, smelly. I mean, I've gotten into Uber cars before and the music's loud and it smells like hygiene issues. It's like it's rare, but it happens and there's no question. So I In Chicago, I take an Uber every day, about a 7 to 10 minute drive from where I work to OTC Ogilvy train station. Yep, the gap in competency is startling. The volume.
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