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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Cowboys “Circus”, Trouble Brewing For Bengals, Kevin Na On Golf’s Big Breakup
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Colin Cowherd
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Chris Broussard
The volume I'm going to still stick with my prediction that J.J. mcCarthy will. If he does have success, it's a Little bit of a Brock Purdy thing. It's the coach, it's the left tackle, it's the weapons that will put him in a place that I think elevates him beyond what he would be with average personnel, average coach or bad. I don't think Brock Purdy's good enough to save a bad situation, but I think in the current situation with Trent Williams, KITTLE, Jennings, Shanahan, McCaffrey, I think more than capable. I tend to think McCarthy is going to fall into that. I mean, left tackle, head coach, running back, tight end, I think. I think J.J. mcCarthy would have to be bad not to have some Brock Purdy level success where, you know, he's not a physical specimen, but he can complete passes and move the chains.
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Colin Cowherd
I do think though, he, you know, Brock Purdy got to come in toward middle of the end of the year, right? So there was less pressure. And let's face it, when Jimmy Garoppolo shattered his ankle, the expectations for Brock Purdy were zilch. I mean, I thought their season was over and then the kid just started rattling off games, you know, for J.J. mcCarthy, little like Trey Lance when the 49ers drafted him, kind of like Caleb, but we didn't really believe in eber flutes. It's pretty rare that a guy that was drafted pretty high starts on a team that. What do you think is a fair expectations? Anything less than the NFC championship game. With their roster, their coaching staff, it's really, really high. You know, it's not like 9 and 8 and some growing pains, you know. Justin Jefferson had some comments within the last week. You can just tell it's like our expectations here are high. And it's like this is a work in progress now. The good thing is you can get better, right? He might not be. Same with Caleb. Same with a lot of these guys. What they look like in September, they might look a lot better in November, but it can go the other way too. It can break you. So if you have a couple tough games, how do you handle that adversity? That's. That's really what all the NFL is, right, is handling the tough times to get to the better times.
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Chris Broussard
I was reading somebody in the athletic rank the coaching staffs, and I didn't disagree. He had Minnesota as the best coaching staff in the league. I think he had San Francisco with Kyle and Sala too.
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Colin Cowherd
Are you talking the whole staff?
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Chris Broussard
Yeah. I mean, basically head coach, top two coordinators. He had Minnesota number one. And I think, and I've said this about Brock Purdy, I mean literally, he got the keys to a Mercedes. You get Shanahan McCaffrey, Trent Williams at the time, Debo, IU, Kittle. I mean that's hard to mess up. I mean if you're just capable, if you're quick above the shoulders, which I think JJ McCarthy and Brock Purdy are, I think they're smart guys. The downside to it is it's not. It's a hard eval. It's hard to evaluate somebody when they're. I mean it would be like putting somebody with Charles Barkley, Shaq and Ernie Johnson. It's hard to really say what. Kenny Smith is certainly capable, but his role on that show is to kind of poke the bear and just kind of have fun and be the straight man. And so it is hard to make an. It's an easy evaluation on Jaden Daniels last year. Oh shit. He's carrying a bad online, a defensive coach, a one weapon offense. Wow, it's like Andrew Luck easy or Herbert's rookie year. Wow, this is impressive. I think JJ is going to be a hard evaluation because how much of the success is based on, I mean, let's be honest. Last year in week 14, Sam Darnold was first or second an MVP. He was a bust going to Minnesota. So like, like now I don't even know quite what to make of Darnold. What is Darnold?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I'm pretty high. I think Darnold, I think their team's going to be pretty good. You know, given health, the talent in Seattle, I would expect, you know, pretty high things for Sam, Maybe not throw 35 touchdowns, but to just be a solid player in the NFL moving forward, you know, be a guy that's on, on the good side of the top 15 of the quarterbacks, not, you know, somewhere between 22 and 32 like most people thought, he just sucked. But one thing going back to Darnold, he said that changed his career was not just Kyle believing him, but watching Brock Purdy operate. And the thing that separated Brock Purdy immediately was not his height, was not his arm strength. It was all the intangible stuff which he had built for four years at an, let's face it, when he got there, kind of an average football program that him and Matt Campbell transitioned into a high level football program where he was getting offered by usc. And a big reason was because of Brock Purdy. You know, I mean, let's face it, Mel Tucker got some big jobs because, you know, got a huge extension because of Kenneth Walker. Sometimes one or two individuals.
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Chris Broussard
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
@ not the top tier programs can change the course of your career. So Brock Purdy, his intangibles are a huge separating factor for why, you know, the all the guys with the 49ers, coaches and players believe in them and you know, JJ, he's just going to.
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Chris Broussard
Have to prove it, you know, and.
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Colin Cowherd
It'S going to have to be part of his repertoire. Are you getting there at five in the morning? Are you grinding Monday through Saturday? Because that's all these quarterbacks, that's all they talk about. It's not just the grind on Tom Brady's been talking about Mondays and Tuesdays for 15 years.
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Chris Broussard
So you and I both agree on this, that the Terry McLaurin situation in Washington is troubling. So I, I liked the Debo acquisition because he's a chess piece and Cliff Kingsbury would be, you know, a play designer is good with chess pieces. But Debo is not as good consistently or as healthy consistently or as productive consistently as Terry McLaurin. And Terry's been guy that's been, I mean, because of where he was drafted, Terry hasn't gotten the huge payday yet. In fact, you could argue before Amaron St. Brown's contract that McLaren and Amaran St. Brown were the most underpaid, underpaid weapons in the league. So I actually get Terry McLaurin saying guys like I, I have outperformed my contract fourfold. Debo is a guy that's not going to be a centerpiece, more of a chess piece, struggles to stay healthy. No, no, no, no. This, I'm not, I'm not doing any team favors on this. I kind of side with Terry McClure in here.
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Colin Cowherd
You Belichick talked about this for a long time. The locker room dynamics and money. I mean, you're dealing with young people who value themselves based on their contract relative to their peers. You know, it's hard with NFL contracts because it's convoluted because of signing bonuses and prorated money, but basically they make a very similar amount of actual cash going into their Bank Account Week 1 through 17 this year. Debo and Terry McLaurin. Last time I checked, Terry McLaurin had 13 touchdowns last year and was a massive reason that Jaden Daniels became a star. And if you're him, like, what about all the sweat equity when this franchise was a joke? Yes, I was the good guy doing the right thing. You bring in this other guy who is the GM's guy, right, from the 49ers, but he peaked. You Know, part of the reason Kyle got rid of him, he's like chubby wide receiver. When do you ever hear about that? Like, couldn't stay in shape. Got Moody's asked for trades before, now he comes and we're making similar money. These are human beings. Right. I totally understand. Like, that's not really. I feel like a part of the reporting. It's not like. And Terry would come out and say I'm jealous or angry because. But you can't tell me that didn't play a part. You think I'm going to make the same amount of money as this guy? You know, we're both in contract years yet I've, this is my team, which I've been here from day one. You just bring in this guy. I also wonder if it showed him like what this administration, they weren't my people. So I better be pretty careful now. They're going to want me to lay it on the line now. But what if I get hurt and then I can't get a contract after this year? They don't care. They'll just move on. Because wide receivers, this isn't, you know, tackle or defensive end, it's not, it's not a very. It's a pretty easy position to replace. Even if Debo fails, they could just draft a guy next year in the first round or the second round or hit on a guy in the fourth round. Who knows, maybe McCaffrey's brother becomes a 50 catch guy. It's an easy position. You could argue it's the easiest position now to find.
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Chris Broussard
Oh, I can name off the top of my head. The Tank Dells and the Puka Nakuas and the Amaran St. Browns. Rounds four or five Jennings in San Francisco's. I think it's seventh round guy. Wide receivers easily now, now it can be the most inflammable and bustable first round pick because they come in, you know, it's an ego position they come in in the first round. But by and large, it's, I just, I, I look at Terry McLaren and I, I tried to personalize it and I'm thinking he's been a good guy, he's been productive. He was the star. He is to, to a large degree is the one thing you could build Jaden Daniels around. Not the O line of the run game or tight end. I think you have to take care of him. And, and for the record, I wouldn't have said this 10 years ago, but you can pay two weapons now and they're not paying a running Back big money or a tight end. Like, 10 years ago, the money was dispersed, often more on the defense than offense. In New England, it was. I mean, Brady was taking cuts in the NFL. Now the Rams, like the Rams, the Chiefs, they pay, like, one defensive player. So I'm okay paying two weapons. I can. I'm okay with T. Higgins and Jamar Chase. I'm okay with it.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, imagine if you're Terry, too. So you look around and you go, listen, I'm not even comparing myself to. To Jamar Chase or CD Lamb or Justin Jefferson. But let's go. DK Metcalf. The next year, guys who early on in his career had, like, the greatest start ever. Last couple years have been weird. The guy that gets penalties every game. And Seattle was like, yeah, we're. We're kind of out of this business.
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Chris Broussard
I know.
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Colin Cowherd
He said he asked for a trade. I think they were ready to pivot, right? And he goes, well, he just gets $150 million and 60, $70 million in guaranteed. And he's a question mark of like, can you corral this guy? He's like a better version of some of these crazy guys. I am everything you would want. Character. Check all these boxes. And I produce, and I can't get. You guys won't even offer me anything. So I. They want him. And I. It's the NFL. It's cutthroat. I totally understand it. But I think they want him just to play this season on the $15 million and then evaluate after that. Now, this is. This isn't the NBA, right? When these guys ask for trades, like, you don't just. He's gone. Like, that's not how they operate. And I think these guys know now that they'll get fined and they can't take them back. So they show up. So they don't get $50,000 a day, but they don't really have to do anything. But is it worth having this guy who's kind of the heartbeat of your. One of the heartbeats being mad, in a weird mood, like the expectations for Washington. This is why it's hard. And all these coaches say what happened last year is kind of irrelevant this year because guys want to get paid. Guys got injured. Some guys are gone. Like, every team is. They had nothing but good vibes last year. Now this year, it's like, oh, yeah, no.
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Chris Broussard
And the other thing is, this is not the NBA, where it's hard to name a player whose career was ended because of an injury. It's the same in baseball. Outside of pitchers and arms. I mean, baseball careers can last forever. In football, it's just one shot to the knee and you're not the same wide receiver. So, like, I get the psychology of McLaurin vlog. Like, bro, I'm taking. I take hits at practice. Like it could. I can. We can all name 10 pro football careers that have been ended early because of injuries. It doesn't happen in basketball and baseball or hockey as much. So I get McLaren's. There's a certain insecurity about football players. I get why they want to get paid.
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Colin Cowherd
Totally. And I think they see it at training camp and we're numb to it as fans and coaches and GMs don't care. But you see guys every single day. So and so, shattered his leg, so and so, ripped his Achilles. A lot of times it's like the 75th man, so no one cares. Those players are standing there right in that drill and see the cart come out and they knew that guy. Hell, it might be their buddy. They might have been eating lunch with them. It was on the practice squad. They've been hanging out with him for a couple of years. They see that cart leaving with his helmet, they go, his career could be over. And then a couple of days later, he's waived, injured. And so for every time that we see. Well, and because I always say this, most good players see the majority of their contract, like Russell Wilson is kind of an outlier. If you look at the landscape of the league, all the top players, because we haven't had catastrophic injury to a lot of the top players in recent years, they are seeing the all the guaranteed money and the non guaranteed money of their contract. But it's just, I wouldn't take that risk if I were any of these guys. Either because all it takes is one guy falling India and your career's done, or you're just never the same. And all of a sudden you go from a $20 million player to a veteran minimum guy.
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Chris Broussard
So Mike Brown's the old owner of the Bengals and he kind of lashed out and said, you know, the Trey Hendrickson stuff, you know, he goes, a lot of media makes good points, but a lot of media is just talking. And I was thinking about it as I was flying from Rhode island back to Chicago tonight. It is hard to have an A level quarterback and miss the playoffs. 14 of the 32 teams make it, so 40% of the league makes it. Joe Burrow, there's an argument, was the most efficient quarterback in the league last year. It's Much more than Mahomes. So there was an argument on a week to week basis just efficiency quarterback rating. Burrow was the best quarterback in the league last year. Now think about this. In an offensive league and they didn't make the playoffs. They didn't make it. That's almost John impossible in the NFL in 20, 24, 25, if your quarterback, I mean you don't even have to have a great quarterback. You can have a quarterback having a great year. Sam Darnold, you're going to win 13, 12, 13, 14 games. They didn't make the playoffs. And the reason they didn't make the playoffs. So you say well it's the coach. Well then fire him. Well, they won't do that because you'd have to pay out a couple of years of the contract is as we. So Trey Hendrickson, they literally, I think they're 32nd in quarterback pressures without Trey Hendrickson. Like he is their pass rush and they're, I mean he's it, he's the pass rush and they're, I mean listen, Philadelphia can get pressure on the quarterback with or without Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter is the game changer. He's like 1 of 1. His body type, his quickness. Hendrickson's not great against the run, but he is their pass rush. But this is like the fourth straight year. There's a contract squabble here. There's, there's third straight year. Do you think if Cincinnati doesn't make the playoffs again and, and, and we'll give Burrow another great year because he's great player. Do you think Burrow would just say, just go scorched earth and say. Because I do. I think, I think Joe is bright, self aware. You're starting to see him now do stuff in Paris in the season. He is so frustrated with the organization. He gets away from it. Like he goes abroad. He's not going to stay in Ohio. I think if they, I think they're the fascinating team. If Cincinnati misses the playoffs, I think Joe Barone representatives may get ugly.
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Colin Cowherd
The problem is we've seen how Mike Brown operates in that scenario. He just tells you to kick rocks. He did it with Carson Palmer. He's done it this offseason. He's done it in years past. I think they like the Bears last year it's like you should have fired Eber Flush. You could have hired Mike Vrabel and you're probably a playoff team. And Caleb, no. 1 we're not even talking about. It was just solid, right? Just would have Worked. And this off season, the Chargers went through this forever. It's like Anthony Lynn, Mike McCoy, Brandon Staley says, hire a real coach. What do they finally do? Jim Harbaugh, who does everyone bought stock in for the last two years? The Chargers. Why? Because they got a real coach and this is a team. Imagine if they had fired Zach Taylor last year. Like, obviously the Bears being in Chicago is a hard job to pass up. Especially they're going to pay you a lot of money. But to coach Joe Burrow, I mean, I'm sorry, like you're kind of remembered on wins and losses. Not just like, well, I coached the Bears. Well, if you lost, no one cares, right? No one's really talking about Matt Nagy, right? He would rather coach Joe Burrow than Mitch Trubisky. So does, do they get Ben Johnson? Does Mike Vrabel like, hey, I want that job over Drake, it's Joe Burrow. So I, I think that it's hard to overcome this when you hire cheap coaches. And that's kind of, listen, Zach Taylor's probably a nice guy and, you know, solid NFL mind, but we're not talking Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shane, he's not super dynamic. The organization isn't super dynamic, but you can overcome that. Like, no one ever said that about the Chargers till they got Jim Harbaugh. And then they said, Jim Harbaugh said, listen, but you want me, I need X, Y and Z. Now they're paying big money for all these people and you feel good about them.
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Chris Broussard
But the difference is the LA market and the deal that Dean Spanos has. You know, like the dollar a year lease is they are swimming in cash because the LA market drives so much revenue. Cincinnati doesn't. Their game day revenue is near the bottom of the league. So Brown won't pay 15 million for a coach and 24 million for a staff. I don't think they'll pay half that. Whereas Spanos can go, listen, so far is a bank. So far is unbelievable.
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Colin Cowherd
If they won't, Joe Burrow's got to ask out then soon because, you know, or their team's good enough, they can overcome it. But if that's the case, they go nine and eight and they miss it again, it's clear their coaching staff sucks and they fire them. And then next year, whoever the hot guy is, they end up with a third tier guy. It's like, you got to get out because this is, We've seen this song and dance. I saw Antonio Gates pointed Philip Rivers, let's face it, I mean they, they didn't exactly have the greatest coaches. A lot of their, a lot of their prime. I mean can you imagine if those two guys would have had a Sean McVeigh, a Kyle Shanahan, a Kevin O'? Connell? Who, who knows the way we talk about that run of like I remember those four out of the last seven years the Chargers have been in the championship game and made a couple Super Bowls. And that's the difference of just like oh that one time Joe Burrow made the super bowl or he's going competing to go to the super bowl every single year. So you would have to short the Browns or excuse me, the Bengals because usually an owner, he old guy like Jerry. I've known a lot of older businessmen that usually don't become more open minded in their mid-70s. That's not how it works. So this is not changing with the Brown family.
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Chris Broussard
Here we go. Steve's got a trunk full of groceries and no one to help him.
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Ryan Seacrest
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Colin Cowherd
Jim Looks like a five trip load at least.
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Chris Broussard
He grabs the first bag, the second bob.
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Colin Cowherd
It looks like he's trying to do it all. One trip.
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Chris Broussard
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Chris Broussard
So just from afar, you know you have to be careful about OTAs and minicamps and camps. So the mica thing from afar feels like a circus, but when you're covering it, does it feel like a circus?
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Unknown
Yeah, I mean I've seen a circus and it involved Terrell Owens and his arrival here and the cryo chamber or whatever. He had the barometric pressure that he brought out all the weird stuff he had that was circus like. But yeah, this is, it's a circus from the outside and here because you have the star player out there. Yesterday I got out early to practice and watched him and he, he did not wear his team issued jersey which Schadenheimer wanted him to wear. And then they went and talked to him and convinced him to put on his jersey. But I'm just. No matter what's happening in camp, it, it, it's like looms over everything. And so I have been at camp before when there's a big thing going on or a huge trade. I remember the Eagles beat the Cowboys to Oceanois, you know, the big, the cornerback that Nam Day Oshima one year and boy, Jerry beating over that deal because he was trying to get a deal. And that was all happening in real time. And we watched it all happening. And this is a little bit like that in that daily we're spending as much time with our cameras and our eyes on Micah as we are what's happening on the field. And it's too bad because I think while Micah and Schadenheimer have really developed a nice rapport, I feel like it's overshadowing and somewhat undermining this whole operation.
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Chris Broussard
Well, I mean, lost in all of it is the fact that George Pickens, a really difficult guy to cover. I mean he's a very gifted guy. Emotional can be juvenile. But with CD Lamb and George Pickens just in pure, in terms of pure talent, those are tremendously gifted receivers. What are we getting from that side of the football? Football related, Dax, CD and Pickens.
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Unknown
You know, I would say and we had a good long visit with, with Pickens yesterday doing our Doomsday podcast. I would have murdered. And you talk about a guy who is in heaven. I mean it's remarkable. And he and CD together, it's the best duo they've had in many years. You know, CD and, and Amari Cooper were together. I think there's the potential because now CDs older and he's become a superstar and Pickens is in such a good headspace because he needed to get out of Pittsburgh. It's a contract year. It's just like the Opposite of Micah's thing. Micah is just this. All this drama. George could not be happier and he believes that he's in. You know, I know we go back and forth on what Dak Prescott is, but what Dak Prescott is is way better than anything the Steelers have had the past three seasons. And so.
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Chris Broussard
Right.
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Unknown
Told us yesterday, he said, I'm going to go for 1200 yards this season. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't doubt it because one thing they're trying to do is instead of just throwing fades and vertical routes and go routes is they're hitting him on bubble screens, drags, crossers. And I even watched him yesterday. There was something the Cowboys did on a rub route to get CD open. I mean, I'm just telling you, this guy is the happiest guy in camp like that. I came away from that George Pickens interview thinking I have not to is always brooding and weird and again, I had a really rough relationship with him and all that, but this guy is just. I am beaming now. I get it. Let's. Let's see how he is when they don't throw to him for a whole game or something like that. But right now, man, that those connections look good. And what it's done. It's freed up whoever's going to be third. Wide receiver, Jalen Tolbert, Mingo, Jalen Brooks, like those guys now have less pressure on them. And like yesterday, two of those guys made like incredible circus catches. And I just think they have less pressure because they. You have two stars and they can just go be. That's what Aikman always used to tell me is that he cared more about the third receiver than he did the second receiver. And what it was is he just felt like with Alvin Harper and Michael, they paid so much attention, that Kelvin Martin was his favorite guy because he knew he was always going to be open. So anyway, I would say right now, the receiving receivers plus the quarterback. That's a very positive thing about this camp.
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Chris Broussard
Well, the live tour makes its stop in Chicago, just part of the journey of LIV and its unique style and its popularity. And anybody that listens to me knows that I have supported the LIV Tour from the beginning. I never loved the way the PGA Tour, which was officially a charity, treated some of its golfers. And I had said for years that Greg Normans and Phil Mickelson's had verbally come out and said they were disappointed. And so when they left, I supported them and still do. Kevin Na also made that decision. And you know, when I defended Liv, Golfers. One of the things I said was, you know, these guys grew up wanting to be on the PTA Tour. They dreamt of the US Open in Pebble beach and the Masters. So this was a hard decision. A lot of people looked at the dollars and said, well, it's easy. No, when you have a dream and you land it, it's hard to separate you from that dream. Do you remember, Kevin, the day, the week, the car ride, when you and your family decided, I'm going to leave the PGA Tour. And do you remember the emotional moment of that, the epiphany?
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Kevin Na
Yes, I do. It wasn't an easy decision. I thought about it for, for weeks. I just discussed it with my team, my family, and, you know, I even had a talk with Jay Monahan before I left. Like, I literally called him, you know, with the paper. When I had the offer and I had the contract and I weighed a bunch of options. But at the time, there were some of the things that some of the players would have, would, wanted to see change in the PGA Tour, the direction the PGA Tour wanted to go, and none of those things were happening. And when this, the lead was forming and the offers were going out, and it was a great opportunity for me because I played the PGA Tour for 19 years, and I loved every minute of it, and I was grateful to be there. I enjoyed it. It was a great platform for me to play, and I'm grateful and thankful. But when this opportunity came along to play this team style with individual team play around the world, and at the same time, you know, have some security, not that I didn't with PDA Tour, you know, I was pretty successful out there as well, but it felt like it was a new challenge, and I was, it was exciting and, and a lot of the great names of the game, of the golf were joining, and I, I, I wanted to be a part of it. I wanted to be a part of this new adventure, and that's the reason why I made the job.
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Chris Broussard
You know, I think they're initially in, like, any change in life, there's animosity. People don't like change in America. 40% of Americans never live outside of the area code they were born in. Isn't that crazy? So, so when there was change, I remember going on the air and saying, yeah, there's going to be some animosity. There's going to be some emotion with it. Did you. Do you think that's dissipated over the last year, that that initial shock is now. Well, I can watch the shambo at this tournament I can watch Kevin Na here is that there's a realization that this is what's happening in all business. Yeah.
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Kevin Na
I think in the beginning, you know, like you said, people are not comfortable with change. And when we were making this chump, you know, the PG Tour, a lot of the media, you know, they said it's not going to happen. They're going to fold in six months, four months, you know, it's never going to last. But we've. The league has proven that we're sticking around and, you know, and when the, our players, you know, Brooks won a major, Bryson won a major. When, you know, playing live and we're. And these guys are still playing well in major championships and showing good performance and watching us grow, they're starting to realize that we're not building, we're sticking around. And at the same time, when the PGA Tour is asking for investment from pif, then, you know, all those, you know, attacks of. Towards the players that made the first jump is kind of. It's been silenced a little bit.
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Chris Broussard
I've always loved Phil Mickelson and I, I read a. I don't think there's a book about him. I don't think he loves the book, but I loved him more when I read the book because he's so unapologet, unapologetically Phil Mickelson. And there was a point in his life he probably, he probably ate a little too much. He was a little more obnoxious with tour members. Mickelson's a character and. But what I love about him, he leans into it now. Now you're getting the older, more mature, wiser Phil Mickelson. Have you watched him? I guess. Have you seen the change in Phil in the last 20 years when you've been around him, ever played with him, played against him? Have you seen it?
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Kevin Na
Yeah, I've seen skinny Phil, fat pill, gambling Phil, drinking Phil. Look, he's been nothing but great to me. The first time I played with him, I was 21 years old. We played in the final group. That's the first time I played the final group at Phoenix Open. He ended up winning the tournament. I finished second. And he's been nothing but great to him. You can always go to him, ask for any advice, whether it's golf, game, life, meeting you want. He would give you his time, his sincerity. He's been nothing but great. I think he is the same way right now to all the younger kids out here. I think he's a great leader. Like whether I Don't not obviously, you know, you can't please everybody, but a lot of the people out here respect him and I personally respect him and I'm a big fan of Phil and I think what he's done for the game of golf we had to be thankful for.
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Chris Broussard
I was not mature enough at 22, 23 to be like a professional quarterback in the NFL, you know, the leader of a billion dollar franchise. You guys are not on a team necessarily, although you are the iron heads on the live tour now. But Bryson DeChambeau is a fascinating guy. I didn't love him when he came out. I didn't like him. You know, the 13 pieces of bacon, the nine protein shakes. I'm like, this feels like he's selling me something. It's too obnoxious. He pivoted over the last two years. I find him incredibly likable now. And I, and I, and I go back to, he was young, he was a good looking, big testosterone. Have you noticed his personality? He feels a little humbled, a little more, a little wiser. But I find him now incredibly likable and I didn't four years ago.
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Kevin Na
I always joke to him, I was like, look, I was nice to you before you became a big star and before you were like, oh.
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Chris Broussard
I always.
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Kevin Na
Liked him from day one. You know, I remember talking to him before when he wasn't playing so good and you know, when he was doing the side straddle and I would come talk to him about on the putting green into what his theories were and I played with him in a QBE team play Shark shootout. What year was this? I can't even remember. 2017 or 18, whatever it was. We teamed up, we finished third and I, I got to know him pretty well then how he played the game and what his, you know, all these calculations that he made and it was, it was fascinating. I mean he would calculate putts off the, off the green from what the fairies were running at stim and then from the green on to the hole that how many feet that is and that stamp and he would, with the slope and he would say this putt's playing 47ft. And he did it and hit it like perfect speed or make it and it was incredible. But I think people got to know him and watched him mature and grow up and, and became this likable, interesting character. And we need more characters like that in the golf game. Whether you like him or not. I, and I think most people do like him. He's, he's an interesting guy. And what he's done with his body and his game, the transformation that he's gone through, it's incredible. And he's an incredibly talented player. I, I always enjoyed my conversations with him. But look, you know, when you're 21, 22 and you're a millionaire and you know, you think you have the world by its, you know, you know, it's a little bit of growing. I bet I was the same way when I was younger. You know, I turned pro at 17 and got on the tour when I was 20. You know, when you're 20 and. But you need a little bit of that to, to make it. So I think if you kind of look at that and get to understand the guy and get to understand the players, I mean, we're. No, we're much better than football and other, other sports. I mean, we're much more mature and more well behaved, I'd say. But it's. I think we watched him grow up.
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Chris Broussard
There's a legendary piece of footage. I'm talking to Kevin na about you and Tiger woods when your speed play after you hit the putt. And he does the same thing. Tiger. There's only two athletes in my lifetime, Tiger woods and Michael Jordan. That literally changed how I watch tv. I would cancel stuff on a Sunday to watch Tiger Woods.
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Kevin Na
Yeah.
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Chris Broussard
Do you think they'll. Was it. You know, it was sort of. It wasn't obviously pre Internet, but it was pre tick tock golf. Felt those games, felt those tournaments with Tiger. It just felt like otherworldly. You think golf will ever have that again?
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Kevin Na
Yeah, I think so. I think Bryson is as closest to the, you know, the excitement. I think Rory's pretty exciting. I think Rom's pretty exciting. And Joaquin's becoming that player as well. I think there's different characters of the game that bring that kind of energy. Obviously Tiger was, you know, his dominating in his, you know, his power and he's blowing the field away. And, you know, even though he's four back with nine to play, you're like, oh, he's gonna win. You know, he's gonna go on this crazy run. And I remember watching as a kid and I'm, I mean, you know, being a fan of Tiger, it's, it's incredible. I mean, but I think there are characters that can follow his footsteps or become maybe not that Tiger woods icon level, but, you know, up close to that level and we can have three or four guys kind of equal Tiger, you know what I mean? But I think golf has become more, more entertaining. More exciting than before back in 90s. I grew up watching golf, you know, in the 90s, you know, and you know, I became a pro in the early 2000 and I, I played all these with these guys on the Senior tour that's playing now. And I think golf has become more entertaining. I mean there's more characters of the game. I mean you got, you know, Bryson that bombs in, cuts corners. You got Rory also, you know, Scotty Shuffle getting arrested. I mean there's, I think it's entertaining. I mean, you know, we have some John Daly, you know, the, you know, the former John dailies of the guys right now. Look, I, I think golf is in a good place except this division. I think once this we find a way to get the players back together more often. I think, I think golf has got to go up another level.
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Chris Broussard
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