Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Is Shedeur A Franchise QB? Caleb Williams Becoming A STAR, OKC’s Dominance, Lamar Jackson’s Lost Season

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd — Prime Cuts (Dec 13, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this “Prime Cuts” episode, Colin Cowherd, joined by guest Danny Parkins, dives into the hottest stories in football and the NBA. The discussion ranges from the rise of Oklahoma City Thunder and sports dynasties, to intensive breakdowns of Shedeur Sanders’ viability as a franchise QB, Caleb Williams’ jaw-dropping NFL start, Lamar Jackson’s murky form, and a look at the state of several NFL franchises. With trademark candor, insight, and plenty of disagreement, the show dissects why dynasties happen, what makes a real “franchise quarterback,” and the pitfalls of certain teams.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Nature of Sports Dynasties: OKC’s “Boring” Dominance vs. “Glamorous” Superteams

Timestamps: 03:26 – 14:24

• Colin’s Take: There is no way to legislate absolute fairness in sports. Certain cities and franchises have intrinsic advantages (weather, coolness, legacy). Oklahoma City Thunder’s rise stems from “being smarter and more efficient,” not financial power.
  • “At least the Dodgers are an interesting dynasty. At least it's captivating...OKC did it through analytics. It's terribly boring.” — Colin Cowherd [06:28]
  • Claims the NBA’s pursuit of parity is “idealistic,” as dynasties are inevitable and preferable to constant shuffling.
• Danny’s Response: The reason some dynasties draw more ratings is brand and geography, not just dominance.
  • “Dynasty and brand drive ratings... the Spurs’ dynasty wasn’t slaying it in national TV ratings because it was San Antonio.” — Danny Parkins [08:02]
• Shared view: Star players naturally gravitate toward big, desirable markets. The NBA should focus less on preventing dynasties and tanking, and let the market work itself out.
  • “Players want to play where they want to play. There’s greed all over sports... you are punished for ever wanting to go play where you’d want to live.” — Colin [09:45]

2. The Draft System and “Fairness” in Player Movement

Timestamps: 10:41 – 14:24

• Danny: Compares the draft to a restricted job market — it's “anti-capitalist, un-American,” but total “big market dominance” would make sports less interesting.
  • Offers Giannis Antetokounmpo's Milwaukee championship as an example of a more meaningful, “legendary title” than Kevin Durant’s Golden State rings.
  • “I don’t want to live in a sports world where Giannis’s title doesn’t happen. I want Joker to get his one, I want Giannis to get his one. I want both to exist.” — Danny Parkins [13:46]

3. Shedeur Sanders — Franchise QB or Flash in the Pan?

Timestamps: 14:24 – 21:20

• Colin: Fascinated that Shedeur, “the first quarterback influencer,” went from undervalued in the draft to possible franchise starter for the Browns.
  • Compares him to LaMelo Ball in NBA: “He’s really popular in places I don’t go. I go to TV. He’s popular on IG or maybe Snapchat.” [14:34]
  • Points out: “Shedeur does appear to be better than everybody in the NFL thought.” [15:47]
• Danny’s Analysis: Impressed by Shedeur’s skills but cautions against putting too much stock in one game.
  • “I still think it's a little soon to say that he is a franchise quarterback for beating the Titans... He didn't beat the worst team in the league and now you've got him as Cleveland starter for the next four years. I think that's a little premature.” [17:08]
  • Discusses the impact of a bad supporting cast and uncertain coaching stability.
  • Notes: “Shadour has been better than I thought he was going to be. But can we see how he plays when it's five degrees below zero on the windshield against the number one takeaway defense in the NFL?” [18:04]
• Key Insight: Despite outperforming expectations, Sanders may still face a draft pick or Deshaun Watson in competition for the starting job next year.

4. Caleb Williams’ Meteoric Ascension

Timestamps: 27:14 – 34:23

• Colin: Compares early career Josh Allen to Caleb Williams, noting extreme statistical similarity. Praises Williams’ arm and improvisational skills.
  • “I think he's a shorter Josh Allen. That's his comp. There is no ceiling for him. Best arm, never gets hurt, throws very few INTs. Probably the best runner in the league at quarterback now that Lamar has scaled back.” [29:06]
• Danny: Sees Williams as more Aaron Rodgers-like, especially in discipline and athleticism.
  • “Caleb Williams looks like Neo in the Matrix. He's like dodging bullets...I actually thought he had pretty good pocket presence last year.” [31:39]
• Both agree Williams’ rookie stats are deceptive due to supporting cast; anticipate monster second season with Ben Johnson’s system in Chicago.

5. Lamar Jackson & Baltimore, Pittsburgh’s Narrow Escape

Timestamps: 34:23 – 39:36

• Colin: Credits Pittsburgh's win but says they “got lucky” on a reversed call; points out they were outplayed most of the game.
  • Critiques Lamar Jackson: “He looks not nearly...relative to his standard, looks slow, clearly is just a little off.”
  • “With Lamar Jackson, we've gotten to a point where anything over 15 yards, I don't necessarily trust him. I just don't think he's right.” [36:13]
• Danny: Bemoans the Ravens’ drop-off, points to early season defensive holes and Lamar’s possible injury.
  • “They dug themselves in the hole early in the season...their quarterbacks banged up... The Steelers, if they are the 4 seed...I'd be stunned if they win a playoff game.” [38:29]

6. State of the NFC West, Cardinals’ Futility

Timestamps: 39:36 – 43:39

• Colin and Danny: Agree Rams and Seahawks look strong, Cardinals are a lost cause with ownership as the main obstacle.
• On Coaches: “Is there a better coaching division than McVay, McDonald and Shanahan?” [41:19]
• Denver & Ownership: Once the Walmart family bought Denver, the franchise's wealth surpassed most of the league, showing the impact ownership can have on competitiveness.

7. Rookie QBs & Franchises in Turmoil: JJ McCarthy, Jaden Daniels, Washington

Timestamps: 43:39 – 47:27

• Colin: Lauds JJ McCarthy’s best NFL game but notes it came against “the worst defense in the league.” Wonders about Washington’s decision making and their future at quarterback.
• Jaden Daniels’ Durability: Real concerns about his longevity after several injuries. “It was the best rookie season statistically in the history of the sport. And a year later, physically, I have real issues.” [44:52]
• Danny: Notes that physical sturdiness (à la Bo Nix, Caleb Williams) is a big deal for young QBs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On sports parity:

  “You can't legislate fair or even...when I look at OKC and I look at the Dodgers, at least the Dodgers are an interesting dynasty...OKC did it through analytics. It's terribly boring.” — Colin Cowherd [06:28]

• On drafting systems:

  “My brother in law graduates from Purdue computer engineering...he had options. He wasn't drafted to Nvidia, he chose Nvidia. Obviously, that's anti-capitalist, un-American, all of those things, but I don't think...sports would in general...be less interesting if only the big brands ever won. We do like David and Goliath.” — Danny Parkins [12:04]

• On Shedeur Sanders:

  “He’s the first quarterback influencer...really popular in places I don’t go. I go to TV. He’s popular on IG or maybe Snapchat or all this stuff.” — Colin [14:34]
  “He was the most accurate college quarterback ever.” — Colin [19:13]

• On Caleb Williams:

  “He has the best arm in the NFL.” — Danny [28:39]
  “I think he's a shorter Josh Allen. That's his comp. There is no ceiling for him.” — Colin [29:06]
  “Caleb Williams looks like Neo in the Matrix. He's like dodging bullets.” — Danny [31:39]

• On Lamar & the Ravens:

  “He looks not nearly...relative to his standard, looks slow, clearly is just a little off.” — Colin [35:25]
  “They dug themselves in the hole early in the season...their quarterbacks banged up...I’d be stunned if [the Steelers] win a playoff game.” — Danny [38:29]

• On Washington’s franchise woes:

  “I look at Washington and I'm like, they need nine more players...they got very few good players.” — Colin [47:11]

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Segment Timestamps

• 03:26 — Opening discussion: OKC, dynasties, NBA parity
• 07:32 — Local ratings vs. national interest; brand vs. dynasty
• 10:41 — Draft restrictions, labor analogies, Giannis as a meaningful champion
• 14:24 — Shedeur Sanders deep dive; influencer QB and draft snubs
• 17:06 — Shedeur against Titans, future potential, QB competition
• 27:14 — Caleb Williams/Josh Allen comparison
• 28:39 — Caleb’s “best arm” in the NFL; playmaking breakdown
• 34:23 — Steelers-Ravens recap; Lamar’s struggles
• 39:36 — NFC West: Rams, Cardinals, ownership impacts
• 43:39 — JJ McCarthy, Jaden Daniels, and Washington’s bleak outlook
• 47:27 — Team construction, why some franchises stay competitive

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Summary

This episode delivers classic Herd energy: strong opinions, lively debate, and well-supported sports analysis. Colin’s skepticism toward “parity” and enthusiasm for talent-driven dynasties frames the wide-ranging discussions — from OKC’s “analytic” NBA ascendancy, through quarterback controversies, to the organizational challenges facing NFL also-rans. With candid assessments and memorable analogies, the conversation both explains the current sports landscape and projects its future, making it essential listening for engaged fans.

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[Sports Commentator 1]

The volume this episode is brought to you by Netflix. Netflix is basically Santa this year. Two NFL games on Christmas Day streaming live at one Eastern. Cowboys Commanders Dallas is suddenly red hot. Could play big for the NFC playoff picture. Then at 4:30 you've got the Lions struggling against the Vikings. That's Midwest football playoff stakes. Two teams battling it out for the number one seed last year must win for Detroit. So Washington Holiday football is a tradition the whole family can get into, settle and watch it. The NFL Christmas Day games live on Netflix starting at 1pm Eastern time. Watching holiday football is a tradition the whole family can enjoy. Open some gifts, grab some food, settle in and watch NFL Live on Netflix Christmas day starting at 1pm Eastern time. So Danny Parkins is joining me. You know I'm from First Things first. And if our camera angle looks a little weird this week, it's a long story. But you're gonna have to deal with the people that's just techn. Oh gee, at its finest. So I had this rant today on my show and this has been a pretty consistent thing for 30 years in the business that there is no even so just own dynasties. They're coming and they're going to come in different forms. When the Lakers dominated forever, it wasn't that they always paid the most. It's because Jerry Buss was cool and the Laker Girls were cool and the weather in the winter in a winter league was great and so people liked playing there. And then Pat Riley went to the Heat and he sold the same thing. Miami's cool. Miami's got perfect winter weather. So they won on weather cool. Not the most money Duke basketball won on resume and Mike Krzyzewski nil, by the way. Now Indiana football's got better financing than most of the country. Is it unfair? There is no even so Oklahoma City is not only 24:1, but analytically the best defensive team ever. They are. I mean they're blowing people out for two years now. The playoffs are different, right. But they're going to have three first round picks this year and could win the lottery. Could have the number one pick. And if you look at their egoless roster, their coach, their GM Their bench, which is maybe the deepest ever they could have a five year run. Their advantage has simply been they're smarter, they're more efficient. And the new CBA, I would argue, is more punitive to ineffective GMs. It punishes them more. I'll throw one more stat at you. In 1989, the richest people in the world had 1.3 trillion doll. They now have 17 times that. Okay, seven different presidents. The point is you can't legislate fair or even, even socialism doesn't perfectly work. And that when I look at OKC and I look at the Dodgers, at least the Dodgers are an interesting dynasty. At least they're doing it. Money is their advantage and deferring payments, but it's watchable. OKC did it through analytics. It's terribly boring. And that Adam Silver wants everybody, he wants parody. And I think it's idealistic when the truth is you can't stop dynasties in golf, tennis, skiing, women's basketball, it doesn't matter. It's gender free. And that baseball and the NBA should both should embrace the money aspect. Players want to play in certain cities. People want to live in certain cities. They don't want to live in Kansas City. They want to live in New York and LA and Boston and Chicago. And so when I watch Oklahoma City's dominance, I say, all right, well, at least the Dodgers dynasty, you just don't like that. It's money. At least it's captivating, at least it's interesting. So I know you don't agree with that. I laid out my. But my, my take is the NBA of all the pro leagues, everything is going up. Nil has made the rich richer. Right? Everything's going up. Basketball's not because it's got parody and nobody really truly wants parody, nor is it good for the business model.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Well, I don't know if we're dealing with a little bit of causation correlation there. Like you think that basketball's ratings are not going up because of parity. I think rate like ratings were up in Kansas City for the Royals when they were good. They were down. They were down when they're bad. Generally speaking, like my guess is the Oklahoma City Thunder's local ratings are very good.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Great.

[Sports Commentator 2]

That would be my guess. Right, Right. And so like, do the Thunder have a fan base that is national or international? Obviously not. So if the, if a, if a dynasty because of Sam Presti's genius happens to take place in Oklahoma City, will that have the appeal for basketball that, that a dynasty in l A. And the Dodgers, one of the most famous brands in all of global sports, has. For baseball. Of course not. But, like, if it was flipped and the analytically brilliant thing that you called boring in basketball happened to be occurring for the Bulls or the Celtics or the Knicks, my guess is the ratings would be up. And if the thing that the team that, like, happened to have the best local TV deal in baseball was a small market brand that people didn't care about, I don't think the ratings would be up that way. Like, I think it's. I think it's the Dodgers that is. It's captivating because it's the Dodgers and it's boring, quote, unquote, to people. Because it's Oklahoma City. Not necessarily. Because dynasty. I agree with you. Dynasties, generally speaking, drive interest. Oh, yeah, the Patriots, the Chiefs, the warriors, the Dodgers, like, but. But the spurs, when they were a dynasty, weren't slaying it in national TV ratings because it was San Antonio. So I don't, I don't know that I agree that. I think it's like dynasty and brand drives ratings. Unless in football, where everything rates right. Yeah.

[Sports Commentator 1]

So I guess, I guess basketball and.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Baseball, I do think it's more brand dependent.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Well, I think, I guess my, my ultimate point is stop worrying about tanking and stop worrying about dynasties. Players want to play where they want to play. There's too many franchises. There's greed all over sports from the ownership position. And I think we worry way too much about, you know, tanking. The NBA's become, to me, kind of fear based on this. Like, they want to tell you it's a player first league, but then they limit where players can go. Whoever drafts them, whatever, you know, morbid, boring, bad team drafts them. You are punished for ever wanting to go play where you'd want to live in the winter. You're punished. Right. Like Sacramento. No player wants to live in Sacramento. Most don't want to live in Salt Lake City. But you're punished economically. If you're going like, I want to go live in Miami or I want to go live in Chicago, you're punished.

[Sports Commentator 2]

But if they didn't have those rules.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Yeah.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Is there any way for Milwaukee and Oklahoma City to win?

[Sports Commentator 1]

Yeah, Oklahoma City's doing it now.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Well, but no, but they had an advantage for Shay to resign. Shay was able to.

[Sports Commentator 1]

He's a. He's a low ego, low publicity star. He doesn't care. Like, he's a guy that would be like, yeah, I can make a little bit more money here, but it's so suede. You can make so much more if you stay that what young man who grew up with average means is going to turn down $200 million? So you actually become a prisoner of where you get drafted.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Listen, if we want to have a conversation about like drafts in general not being great for like labor in the workforce, I think that applies to all of the sports, right? Like my, my brother in law graduates from Purdue computer engineering and he had offers from different places, right? He could choose and he got to choose and he chose very. He chose well. Like, you know, kid works at Nvidia and like, it's gone well for him. Like, could have, could have ended up at Hewlett Packard would have been fine, but the dividends wouldn't be as good. But so, yeah, like, he had options. He wasn't drafted to Nvidia, he chose Nvidia. Right. So I obviously agree that that is anti capitalistic, un American, all of those things, but I don't think that, I do think that sports would in general, like, we can talk specific Dodgers, specific Thunder, specific any point in time. I do think they in general would be less interesting if the Lakers and the Heat won every NBA championship, the Dodgers and the Yankees won every World Series and you know, on and on down the line, if only the big cities and only the big brands ever won. I do think it would be less interesting. We do like David and Goliath. It is a pretty popular narrative that's built. And like, I also would say Giannis's title in Milwaukee as just a basketball fan. And again, I'm watching all of them, right? I'm watching all of them. I would argue that Giannis, not all titles are created equal. I think we've talked about this in terms of how I view them. KD hates this argument, but I will contend that it is fair and logical. His titles, plural in Golden State are not as impressive as Giannis's singular title in Milwaukee. Because, Katie, because the cap spiked in an abnormal way and he joins a 73 win team that are the one before him and one after him. It's like, congratulations, they had an owner who was willing to pay the tax. And you know, it was aesthetically pleasing basketball and probably the best team in the history of the sport. Very cool. But Giannis, 15th overall pick, skinny kid from Greece, goes to Milwaukee, signs three contract extensions with team that drafts him, they build a new arena because of his popularity and he has one of the great closeout NBA Finals performances in the history of the sport to bring One title to Milwaukee. To me that is more like of a legendary title than Katie's tied titles plural in Golden State. And I don't know, I think that's kind of related to what you're talking about. I don't want to live in a sports world where Giannis's title doesn't happen. I'm fine with Golden State having the dynasty, but I want Jokic to get his one, I want Giannis to get his one. Like I want both to exist.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Certainly I understood the Tim Tebow fascination because he was winning all the time and there was a Christianity connection. Yeah, the Shadour thing is weird because he came from a small program, didn't win a ton in college. There was no religious connection. And I said, he reminds me of LaMelo Ball. He's the first quarterback influencer where he's really popular in places I don't go, I go to tv. He's popular on IG or maybe Snapchat or all this stuff. And I think the Dylan Gabriel early success is very explainable. Dylan Gabriel played so many college games. He was more ready than Chadour. He also played in more of a pro system at Oregon with pro players instead of Colorado. So Dylan Gabriel played so many college games. When he walked into that camp for the Browns, Stefanski's like, oh, this kid's unbelievable. On the whiteboard, he's unbelievable. But over the course of time, Shador's talents greater, which I've always argued and over. Over the course of time, Shedeur ramped up, got a lot of practices and everybody went, that's the better guy. So I don't think there was anything other than more experienced college guy from a greater NFL ready program had a clear advantage to start. But eventually talent wins. But through it all, what we aren't talking about is Shedeur does appear to be better than everybody in the NFL thought because he was a fifth round quarterback. And Greg Cosell came on my show this week and yeah, the film said he was excellent and lost in all of this is the most important position in the sport. And because people didn't like some vibes, there's a franchise quarterback in Cleveland and he'll be free for the next four years. To me that's unbelievable.

[Sports Commentator 2]

I have all the respect in the world for Greg Cosell. I watched every throw that he had against Tennessee and he was great. I thought that he made some really impressive throws. I thought the the throat in Joku for the touchdown. I thought yes. I thought the throw to fan in for the two Point conversion. I thought, I thought he dumped it off some where it felt like he felt pressure and had pretty good just like awareness around him. Like I, I thought there was a lot of impressive things in that game against Tennessee. I still think it's a little soon to say that he is a franchise quarterback for beat for not beating the Titans. Like it's just like he, he didn't.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Be getting a little excited.

[Sports Commentator 2]

He didn't beat the worst team in the league and now you've got him as Cleveland starter for the next four years. I think that's a little premature because the game where he came in off the bench against Baltimore, he looked not like an NFL player. The game against his only road game this year is against the Raiders. Maybe the easiest spot to have a road game other than Tennessee. And he was 11 for 20 for 200 yards and he had a 66 yard touchdown. But 65 of that was yak. It was a dump off swing pass where the Raiders just didn't tackle. And the Niners game he was not good. And so like let's see. Because the Bears defense is not very good but they lead the league in takeaways.

[Sports Commentator 1]

But I was gonna say and also the Bears have a stacked roster like Denver does. Shedeur has a bad roster and he's being very productive with a terrible receiving core. Like really bad receiving core.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Yes. And a coach who seemingly doesn't like him. So like, like yeah, I, I, I, Shadour has been better than I thought he was going to be. But like can we see how he plays when it's going to be five degrees below zero on the windshield against the number one takeaway defense in the NFL. Like I just, it's, it's a little early for me to say that if Cleveland has a top three pick, they're not taking a quarterback.

[Sports Commentator 1]

And if they I would take Mendoza over him and I would then he's not a cheap.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Well then he's not a cheap franchise quarterback for the next four years. Like if they doza he doesn't play another game for Cleveland.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't think they're going to get to Mendoza. I think Cleveland's two talent, they're going to win another game. I would take Mendoza over him. That's not saying he's not a franchise quarterback. Mendoza I think is a Pro Bowler very quickly.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Yeah. And listen, Shador, I cannot imagine because think about what NFL teams have overlooked. Like how, because 32 teams passed on him at least four times in some teams like five or six times.

[Sports Commentator 1]

And he was the most accurate college quarterback ever.

[Sports Commentator 2]

And his father is one of the greatest athletes this country has ever produced.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Top five.

[Sports Commentator 2]

So, so right. So like I don't believe it was a conspiracy. I think there was real red flags there and I just, I want to, I need to like actions. Right. The NFL's actions said Shador Sanders is not an NF quarterback. His actions against Tennessee are saying no, no, no, I absolutely am. So now I think it's actually interesting. I think that prior to this a lot of people were acting completely foolish and it was like they weren't wanting to like confirm their, it was confirmation bias of how they felt about him going into the draft. And like, you know, Mel Kuiper on draft night, I think shifted shaped a lot of narratives and fame and people are tight with Dion and I think there's a lot of factors at play here. But I will admit like now it's interesting. Like now, now it. It now to me now it is. All right. Show what you can do. And I can't wait for to explain it but like next year desean Watson's on that roster. No, gross, I, I agree with you but the owner of the Browns was at the Sean Watson's wedding this off season.

[Sports Commentator 1]

I know.

[Sports Commentator 2]

And executed the worst trade in NFL history and gave him a contract that apparently made him a pariah among all of his billionaire friends because they were all pissed that he gave him a fully guaranteed deal. I'm thinking he might be a little invested in that working out too. Like it. So there's going to be. Shador will have to be great the rest of this year for him to enter next year. Not in a quarterback competition with a $230 million guaranteed quarterback and another draft pick. Maybe not a first round pick, maybe not a top five pick, but I, I think he's going to have to be great to not be in a serious quarterback competition next year.

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[Sports Commentator 1]

So if you look at year two Josh Allen and Caleb Williams. Yeah, the numbers are. They're literally the same.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Oh I've, I've, I've looked. It might be my screensaver.

[Sports Commentator 1]

So Josh Allen did get better and I think Caleb will overlooked in all of this is Buffalo has the worst receiving core in the league right now and Josh is throwing to tight ends much easier throw so his completion percentage now is like, oh, look at Drew Brees. Look at six. Six Drew Brees. No, Josh is still a playmaker. He's probably closer to a 65, 66% if he was throwing the ball down the field, which by the way, a Mahomes is to a Rice or Xavier worthy. He's throwing to tight ends because. Kincaid. Haas.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Yeah, Knox.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Yeah, Knox. That. I mean, last week Gabe Davis, who they brought back, had two catches. That was their go to. So I think lost in Caleb Williams or under discussed, not lost, is the fact that he may have made two of the best throws of the season last week.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Yeah, the one to Zacchaeus and the one to Comet. Yeah.

[Sports Commentator 1]

I mean, ridiculous. The one in the end zone is. It's almost an optical illusion. When you watch it in real time, if you watch it again in full speed, it doesn't make sense how he got there.

[Sports Commentator 2]

I was watching it with Nick and I was like, tell me if I'm being a prisoner of the moment, but, like, he has the best arm in the NFL.

[Sports Commentator 1]

I think he does.

[Sports Commentator 2]

Right. Like, it's, it's. It doesn't. Obviously that doesn't mean you're the best. It. Throwing it hard is not a bit like, like to throw with velocity and accuracy on the move like that is. It's just, it's preposterous. It's, it's, it's, it's the best. It's him, Josh Allen. It's a short list of guys.

[Sports Commentator 1]

So I guess this is my point. I think he's a shorter Josh Allen. I think that's his comp. I think he's a 6:1 Josh Allen. Everybody's like, well, what is this? Everybody has a comp. And I'm like, I said it today in the herd. I'm like, yeah, his comp is Josh Allen. Like, there is no ceiling for him. If I told you, best arm never gets hurt. Throws very few interceptions. By the way, probably the best runner right now in the league at quarterback. Now that Lamar has scaled back, it's either Josh Allen or Caleb. And you think this sounds crazy. I think Caleb is a shorter Josh Allen. I really do.

[Sports Commentator 2]

So I still think. I still think it's Aaron Rodgers. I just. The, the shorter Josh Allen is just going to be tough for me because so much of what Josh Allen does is like he's a polar bear. Like, you know what I mean? He's. People bounce off him like Ben Roethlisberger. He will truck people. Not that Caleb's not willing to truck People he has like he's. Because he's Caleb's 6:1 but he's strong. Like he's like 6:1, 2, 35. Like he's, he's pretty, he's pretty beefy 230, whatever it is. But like Rogers was 6:2 and Caleb maybe this is also just following everything the guy's said since he's been a pro. But he's modeled his game after Rodgers. Rodgers is his favorite player ever. And what to me one of the greatest quarterback seasons like on like the short list in NFL history is Rogers is 2011 season when he had 45 touchdowns and six picks. Because if you look at that season it was like it wasn't a Brady surgical. I'm just never throwing a risky play and we're going to have 10, 12, 14 play drives. It was like he's top three in yards per attempt. Like he was shocking the ball down the field and making big throws but also not turning it over. Like they were like deep ball throws that weren't risky. It's crazy stuff and I think that's what Caleb can be like when he really dials it in. He wants to use that arm and throw it all over the place and. But he doesn't throw picks and so that is, I still think the absolute ceiling is the downfield aggressive assassin who doesn't turn the ball over. And his mobility and escapability is crazy because like Josh Allen can run but he's not like pirouetting out of you know, like, like Caleb Williams looks like. I want Chicago to nickname him the1. Like he looks like Neo in the Matrix. He's like dodging bullets. He was sacked 68 times last year and people said I was a homer for this opinion, but I stand by it. I actually thought he had pretty good pocket presence last year. It's an insane thing to say for a guy who had a top five sacked season in NFL history.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Well, Ben Johnson, first thing he did. Jonah Jackson, Drew Dahlman, Joe Tuney. It wasn't Caleb.

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[Sports Commentator 2]

And, and like it was and he was, he was trying to make plays. Like it wasn't like he was dropping back to pass and getting blindsided and he didn't see it coming. It was like the team sucks. It's a 10 game losing streak. I have three play callers my rookie year. Guys are dropping like flies all around me and I'm trying to make plays and he would get, he would get sacked. Now some of it was on him. He held the ball too long. I think the number that I think it was on a Monday Night Football broadcast and it blew my mind. He took like 28 sacks last year where he held the ball for five or more seconds. That should be impossible. I don't think Peyton Manning did it in his career. And so like he, he's definitely learned and Ben Johnson has helped him but he is an escape artist back there and sometimes it'll lead to a sack that was 17 yards instead of 8 yards, you know, sometimes. But he's really cut down on that this year. The completion percentage is way too low. He, he doesn't seem to see it quite quick enough. Like that's right. The throw he missed to commit was open. He just, he saw it late and underthrew it. Terrible combination and it was a game ending interception. But like I am convinced that there is a superstar there and that there is an MVP there and I think Ben Johnson is going to get there. Like I think we've, we've seen it before. Like the Mahomes, it was his first year starting which made it so special. But it was his second year in Andy Reid system. Like we've seen the. Even if it's third year in the league, but it's the second year in the system. Like second year in the system is when you can have the mastery of it. Like I think Caleb is going to be a very trendy MVP pick next year. Like I, I think he's going to have a monster season next year with Ben Johnson and then we'll see what that means for the rest of this year.

[Sports Commentator 1]

All right, I want to talk Pittsburgh. It was a winner gets first place. Pittsburgh 27, Baltimore 22. I thought Mike Tomlin got a little lucky today because I thought the tight end Isaiah likely. I thought that was a touchdown. They reversed it. I would have called if I was an official. I, I'm still not sure. I mean Pittsburgh surrendered 420 yards, lost badly. Time of possession only had 13 first downs. I thought Aaron played pretty well for a 42 year old with no run game on the road. DK met Caff and Aaron had a really good day. It's. It's what's interesting. The Steelers still can't run the ball. 2.2 yards of carry and it felt like a reprieve. I think this is why you got Aaron Rodgers. The defense isn't great. They can't run the ball. I mean the two guys you went and got, DK Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers saved your bacon today again. What did you make of the Likely non touchdown.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, I agree to Tony Romo.

[Richard Sherman]

That's.

[Sports Analyst 1]

What are we doing? I mean, that's. It was a pretty clear touchdown. But I also thought, I thought the story of the game is Lamar Jackson looks like a shell of himself. I don't know what, you know, his percentage is, but it's closer to 50 than it feels to 70 or 80. I mean, he looks not nearly now relative to his standard, looks slow, clearly is just a little off. Still makes a couple plays. But I mean, I think the guy that we've seen become just an all time great player over, you know, the prime of his career, whatever the version is he's playing at now is, Is limiting. I mean, you have that one awful pick where typically that's a Lamar play. Lob it right over a guy. When you're scrambling, how many plays are they scrambling around? You go from him to that Caleb, scrambling around. It's like they're playing at different speeds.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Yeah, no, I mean he, Zay, Flowers, Andrews, Henry, he's got playmakers. We know the coaching staff is fine. It's. I thought the final drive of the game by him, it was just, it just. There was nothing to it. I kind of feel like with Lamar Jackson, we've gotten to a point where anything over 15 yards, I don't necessarily trust him. I just don't think he's right. I mean, that's my take on this and I've said it for weeks. Brock Purdy, when I saw him on Monday night throw two picks and they were both behind the guy, I'm like, well, he's not 100%. I can tell. I think Lamar's hurt and he just doesn't want to mention it because he's an athletic guy and he doesn't want to give the defense who he plays a heads up. I mean, these, these are not serious. I mean, neither one of these teams can do anything in the playoffs. I mean, sometimes you win a division and that's the best you can do. I mean, Mike Tomlins probably now, the way Baltimore is playing Burrow, you know, lost. I thought Cincinnati was going to win that game. We'll talk about that. I thought Cincinnati had them. And then Joe Burrow, one of the few awful picks of his life. I mean, lamar was what, 19 of 35 with a 72 passer rating?

[Sports Commentator 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

One thing too is last year, remember early on in the season the Ravens defense was terrible. And then they figured something out and they became a lot better as the season went on. Today there was a moment it was it was 20 to 16 and you know, the Steelers were kind of back against the wall. You're like, God, this thing's kind of going to fall apart here. And Rogers, just a pretty, I don't know, elementary play, drops it off to Warren. He walks in for a touchdown. There's no one even around him. So it went from 20 to 16 to boom, 27 to 16. And the way that the Ravens are playing on offense, it's like they're in trouble and they are just listen, they dug themselves in the hole early in the season. They don't look right and clear their quarterbacks banged up. And I listen, Rogers is taking shots and everyone needs to shut up about us. Like you guys have been losing game after game and looking terrible. So I mean, I don't know, I bet against them pretty big this week. I had little to no faith in the Steelers, but I thought today was as much of an indictment in the Ravens. Just, they're just not very good like I, the Steelers, if they are the 4 seed playing whoever that they end up drawing, I, I, I'd be stunned if they win a playoff game. And I, I don't think all these stories coming out the last couple days about Thomas contract set up like the, the Rooney. I think this thing's kind of being laid out like there's, you know, we're, we're coming to the end of the road.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Yeah. And I also think Kansas City doesn't feel the same. But Kansas City was getting the Super Bowls. Baltimore wasn't winning playoff games and they feel less than that. So Baltimore the previous two years has blown out more teams than anybody in the sport. The Lions the previous two years and the Ravens have kicked a, you know what out of teams four to five times now. Seattle's the team this year that has beaten six teams by two touchdowns or more. So they're just something that's not right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And look at, look at both those two teams, right? I mean they, they've had their moments. The Lions were the number one seed last year. Two years ago they had the Niners up 24 to 7 at halft the NFC championship. The Ravens have a home field two years ago, lost to the Chiefs last year. It's like they should beat the Bills in the second round. They lose the game, kind of feels like their little moments for both those two teams kind of shut.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Rams 45, Arizona 17. Rams had over 500 yards offense and almost nine yards of play. Not competitive. Puka Nakua was absolutely fantastic. So was Stafford the other Thing about the Rams is they're healthy. They're just dissecting teams. Arizona is a lost franchise. I mean, you live in the state. I'm not sure. Bid well on down. It doesn't matter. It's a. You have any takeaway on that at all?

[Sports Commentator 2]

No.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I mean, I. The Cardinals, God, they are. See, some of these jobs, you know, like the Titans, like, people are going to. People want to go be the head coach of the Titans. Like the Cardinals, they fire everybody. I get us the NFL, and it pays a lot of money. These jobs are terrible. I mean, they are awful. And it just gets back to ownership. And you look. You look at this division now. I mean, is there a better coach division with McVeigh, McDonald and Kyle Shanahan? I mean, it's like, it's not even close. It feels like it'd probably be Sean Payton, Andy Reid, and Jim Harbaugh. And that's where. If you're the Raiders, like, what do we do? How do we catch up to those three guys? And the answer is, you don't.

[Sports Commentator 1]

I think about this all the time. I was surprised when Sean Payton took the job with Denver because I'm like, oh, my God, they're a mess. There's a Russell Wilson cap. What the hell is he going to do? And, you know, Sean knew there was good. There was some good college quarterbacks coming up, and Sean has a lot of confidence in himself. But. And also, you know, Andy Reid was getting older and Mahomes was getting expensive, and. But that division now, I mean, Mike McDonald and Sean McVeigh. Mike McDonald reminds me of the defensive Sean McVeigh. And then Shanahan's probably the best scheme coach in the league. So, like, Arizona is just. I mean, that feels like you can say what you want about Cleveland, but Pittsburgh's wobbly. What's up with Lamar? Cincinnati's cheap. You know, you can bang on Cleveland, but if Cleveland landed Mendoza or something at quarterback, you'd be like, win the division easily. Arizona's trapped.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But Denver's a great example, right? Once Walmart took over that franchise, don't they have, like, four kids that are in the top 20 of wealth in the world? I mean, the money that they're dealing with is on a different level than what 95% of NFL owners like. What does the Walmart family have in common with Bob Kraft in terms of money? I mean, it's the levels we're talking. They are on a very, very short list as a family. I'm not even talking as an Individual. So, I mean, the Bidwells are so cheap, they're. Listen, Jonathan Gannon, I don't know if he's good or bad. I mean, it's hard to even tell. But you hit your wagon to Kyler Murray and this gets back to, you know, he was the number one pick. But it was still a little bit of a risk for Ben Johnson to take that job. But it's pretty clear Ben Johnson probably be good. No matter. If Ben Johnson been the Raiders coach, might not be a playoff team, but I guarantee you they're not two and whatever they are, right? He's the real deal. But Vrabel knew, like, I'm going back, you better have a quarterback because in this you could put Mike Vrabel with the Arizona Cardinals. He's probably not making the playoffs very often. So in this isn't college where it's like, oh, I just lose my quarterback to the draft, I'll just go buy Fernando Mendoza, right? That's not the way it works. And now you hit your wagon to Kyler Murray and you're in the situation you're in where you got Jacoby Brissette running around there, down 30 points, it's like, what are we even doing? And like the Rams game. I, I, there's no takeaway. I, I do think though, they, you know, last week they lose to the Panthers, who sometimes you do that, you know, the west coast, east coast flight. But the one thing the Panthers can do, like, they can throw the ball pretty well. I mean, they got a couple wide receivers and they kind of expose their db. So I, I do think this was a little bit of a rallying spot of like, hey man, we gotta, plus you don't have any margin if you're, you're the Ram, Seattle or the 49ers.

[Sports Commentator 1]

That's right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You probably gotta win 13 and four probably went to the division. So, you know, a missed field goal here, a screw up here, all of a sudden you're the six seed playing, I don't know, Green Bay or something. It could get a lot more difficult.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Really quick, let's wrap it up with this. Minnesota 31, Washington nothing. JJ McCarthy played well. Washington probably has, they've lost eight straight. Probably has the worst defense in the league. It may not be particularly close. Almost every Washington defender on PFF is like near the bottom of their position in the sport. I thought it was J.J. mcCarthy's best game. 16, 23, three TDs, no picks. They were very, very good in the red zone. It was a smart Game plan. I then one of the things that really jumps out to me now is Washington had three turnovers and they're just a horrible franchise. A year after they shocked the world, Jaden Daniels got banged up again. And I'm sitting there watching him when he's cringing on the field and I'm like, man, but if you go back to his rookie year, remember he got banged up in his rookie year. And I'm sitting there thinking, if you told me in one year he'd missed another eight, nine games, I'd be like, I wouldn't be shocked. There is value in like, Bo Nix doesn't get hurt. Caleb doesn't get hurt. Drake May got beat up his first year. He blue tenet. It doesn't miss games like I. The Jaden Daniel thing is fascinating because it was the best rookie season statistically in the history of the sport. And a year later, physically, I have real issues.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's the knock on him going back to LSU was the reckless nature in which he played. And you look at Caleb and you look at Bo Nix, well, they're kind of built physically a little bit different than him. I mean, Caleb's built like a tank. Drake May's big. You look at Jaden Daniels, you know, he looks pretty slender. I tried to look his way. I don't even think he weighed into the combine, but he's just not, he's not exactly built like, you know, Lamar's thickened up as he's gotten older. It is really important. I also think Washington, you know, you get there, you have success out of nowhere. And they went all in on this season and it has backfired. I mean, if you're, if you're a draft nerd, the two crazy things, every time I look up at Atlanta's down 30, I go, the Rams have their first round pick and the for the Texans traded Laramie Tuns with the Washington. They did it for a third last draft and a second in this upcoming draft. Well, that pick for Washington could be like pick 35. So the Texans all of a sudden can, you know, they haven't had picks because of the Will Anderson trade. All of a sudden you get this great Washington pick. I mean, you look at the Rams and the Texans, that's, that's some big time ammo for those two teams. And you know, they're old, their quarterbacks banged up a lot. They have some explosive playmakers. Zach Ertz shattered his leg today. You know, their defense is just atrocious though. I Mean, it's really bad. And this, you know, one story I saw today is Sirianni getting more involved with the offense. What's like Dan Campbell, okay, my offensive coordinator is bad. I need to get more involved in what happens. They look more explosive. So I go, listen, I give Dan credit. That's. He's an offensive guy. Sirianna, you're an offensive guy. Monday night, your offense should look better. Dan Quinn's a defensive guy. I just watched him for years help turn Jerry's team into a 12 win team. Remember how good they were on defense with Micah Parsons and Dan Quinn? How I get. Your personnel's bad, but you should be a little bit. You made J.J. mcCarthy, who statistically was the worst quarterback since Jamarcus Russell, actually.

[Sports Commentator 1]

Looked pretty good today.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I mean, it's hard to argue, right? He looked, he looked better than like a lot of these other young quarterbacks throughout the league. So I think if you're Washington, you're going, God, maybe that last year wasn't. It almost feels a little bit like the Giants that year when they made the playoffs and they beat Minnesota and then the next three years were just a train wreck. Could be different because of Jaden Daniels, but if you can't stay on the field, who cares?

[Sports Commentator 1]

Yeah, no, I mean, if you start looking at the teams that consistently make the playoffs, like we thought. Houston. Ooh, what happened to Houston? Well, Houston's a good football team now. Like, to me go Ryan's defense and the guys upstairs drafting, you know, we always kind of look at Houston like, I don't know. Well, like Jacksonville. We'll say what you want, but I watched Jacksonville today, like, Jacksonville's got a lot of good players. They've hit on a lot of those draft picks. Travis Hunter is not even a factor. They're. They're. They got two backs, they got two ends. So there are these outlier seasons, John, where a team just gets hot, the division's weak, you know, the. And I, you know, Dak gets hurt. The Cowboys are bad. The Giants are worse. They didn't have Jackson. Dard. It's. I don't know. I look at Washington and I'm like, they need nine more players. They need so many more players there. And this, hey, good for jj. He needed a game like this again. They ran, they passed, they just. You can just watch football. You watch Seattle's defense. You're like, damn, they're fast. You like Washington. They can't bully, they can't run, they can't cover. They're awful it's just a they got very few good players. The Volume.

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Oh.

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