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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - MASSIVE NBA Gambling Scandal, Ohtani The Greatest Athlete Ever? Broncos INSANE 4Q Comeback
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, of course. And I mean obviously we have to say all of these things are like alleged at this point. But they've got some pretty damning specifics here. Right. So you know, let's just have the blanket their allegations thing out of the way and y Chauncey Billups reputation was sparkling and you know, it appears that he also is involved in the sports gambling one as that unidentified person who played from this time to this time and then was a coach from this time to this time and it was an Oregon resident like that. We're going to talk about a lot of this but like if that is true, like let's just assume that the unnamed person in the sports gambling one who fits the exact description of Chauncey Billups is Chauncey Phillips. I mean that is the NBA's version of Pete Rose.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
You have an, you have an NBA head coach tipping off a gambler that they're gonna. That he's gonna sit players so that they should. Yeah, they should bet the under like that. I mean he's in the hall of Fame, Colin. Like can he get thrown out of the hall of Fame?
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Right. Like I, but I like that is on the table for his basketball reputation if that is true. Because I would imagine he would not get thrown out of the hall of Fame for just the poker side of it. But if he was. If it's proven that Chauncey Billups as an NBA head coach was proven to letting gamblers know what he was going to do with his players for the purposes of betting unders on props, he'll never be allowed around basketball ever again. And it's. It would be a startling fall from grace for one of the guys with like a truly immaculate reputation within the game.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, like there are, you know, I can think multiple things at the same time if he was a. You know, I like when people have problems with addiction and I don't know if this is addiction, but when people have problems with addiction, there's varying levels of it. I mean I, I had somebody close to me that drank for 50 years and stone cold stop at 64 and has never touched it. And it's like. And I've heard multiple stories of that. My dad didn't have that ability. So some of it's genetic. Some people are wired to be able to stop stuff. I don't have an obsessive compulsive personality, so I don't have that. I worked once in the Pacific Northwest with somebody who had moderation issues with food and gambling and behavior and it was scary. The person could not control everything from food intake to temper to gambling. So I don't know if that's the issue. But Chauncey certainly could seek help and could afford help. What really bothers me with Chauncey though is the rigged poker games because that's more sinister to me. It's. It's one thing.
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Colin Cowherd
It'S stealing, it's Just, it's, it's.
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Danny Parkins
It's just.
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Colin Cowherd
It's. It's. It is. It is stealing. I mean, listen, so I've played in, like, I. I play cards. Nick and I have played cards together forever. Nick, at this point, is a much more accomplished poker player than I ever was. But I have. So I've lived in Chicago, Syracuse, Kansas City, and now New York. I have played in what are technically illegal poker games every place I've ever lived. Because what makes a poker game illegal is if a place takes a rake. If they take. If they take a vic, right? Like you go to a casino and you play poker, maybe they'll cap it at 20 bucks a hand. It's a percentage of the pot up to a certain amount, and then it's capped. And that's how, like, the house makes their money. And so, like, if you go to a guy's house and he's got a table running and he's got a dealer and, you know, you drink for free and they beat. Maybe order pizzas for the room or whatever the case may be, like, how do they pay for that? How does the guy make his money? They take a rig, they take a vig out of the game. Game, Right. A rake is what it's called in poker. And that's like, technically illegal, but it's not a big deal. Like, it's not. It's just everybody does it for forever. But if and when you go to any game that isn't in a casino, you of course, have like a. You are some fear of, like, is the game on the up and up to the players know each other? Is the dealer in on it? Like, that is like a thing that you take on some level of risk, which is why it's like, quote unquote, safer to go play in Vegas, to go play in Atlantic City, to go play in, you know, the casinos in Chicago or wherever. So that's where I would normally play, but I've found myself in these games before. And you. It's in the back of your mind, but it is what it is. But if. Well, the allegations about Chauncey Billups, that the dealer was in on it. Yeah, the other players were in on it. And he was. As the. The letter of the law. What they're. What the FBI guy was alleging is that he was what they called the face card play in a game with Chauncey Billups, which is what would get big fish with money. Oh, my God, I've got money. I can play $10,000 buy in poker games with an NBA, with a Hall of Famer, and I get to meet him and take pictures or whatever. And then if Chauncey Billups also knew, which is what they're alleging.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, I mean, he's.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a common criminal. Like, it's.
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Danny Parkins
It's.
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Colin Cowherd
It's. It is. It is. It is the. It is the same thing of going into someone's house and robbing them of their jewelry. You know what I mean? It is. It is theft. There's no other way to describe it.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, it was. You know, I. I'm much older than you, and my first job was in Las Vegas, and I came in there pretty naively to Las Vegas, and I covered Jerry Tarkanian. And Tark was always fully aware of the casinos. There were some. I could name a couple of guys that were around the program. One of the things Tark had, like, I remember this, like, 40 free tickets. That's unbelievable. Like, Jim Herrick at UCLA had like, four. You know, Tark had, like, 40. And by the way, he would give them to a guy I know. We used to call him Tracksuit Tony. He would give him 35 of the tickets, 36 of the tickets, and Mike would sell those tickets and bring back, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
You know, and then there was another guy named Larry. I'm not going to say his last name. He had a big business on the side. And, you know, there was always these feelings of these guys aren't. You know, I don't know about these guys, but I knew the guys. They were fine. They were just like, guys around Tark. But there was always reputations. You know, Tark hangs around the. And my take was guys. They're not Mafia members. Like, they're. They own businesses. They're just kind of. They want to be. You know, Tark was the biggest celebrity. Not named Steve Wynn or Mike Tyson in town, but. And there was a lot of talk through the years, and I just didn't buy into it, because the only time I've seen Tark turn gray is when I brought up gambling. And he's like, it terrifies me. He just changed personality. He goes, it terrifies me. And it was Tim Gurgaritch and those guys and Lois Tarkanian, and they really educated the players. And then one day, the administration was trying to get Tark out, including the athletic director at the time. And a picture, a Sunday morning Las Vegas Review Journal of Moses Scurry, Anderson Hunt and David Butler in a hot tub with Richie the Fixer Perry. And so I was like oh, program over. So that obviously the ad found the picture, they got it to the newspaper. So I was right. Suddenly I was a crime reporter and it was just no fun. You know, I'm like 29 years old. I want to talk Mike Tyson, I'm talking about Richie the Fixer Perry. And nothing was ever really proven. And I still to this day would defend that program to the ends of the earth on any of the gambling stuff. Tark constantly pled with his players to stay out of these casinos. But I think one of the things I said today is since the chariots in Rome, Mafia gambling, sports, you just have to understand it's not because it's now legalized. It happened to Henry hill in the 70s at Boston College. Too many people are jumping to see this is the problem with FanDuel. My take is, guys, my take is you're really naive. In fact, I'd say it's more regulated now and it's arguable, it's more monitored now. My take is these stories are good actually because it fishes out the bad actors.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
There's a level of nuance to this as I see is objectively true that the way that these players got caught Johnte Porter Rogier like for tanking their unders is because it was legal. Like it's. The regulation is what allowed it to be caught on day one if, if Terry Rogier's player prop of nine and a half points is posted and normally that gets two thousand dollars worth of action across a bunch of ten fifty hundred dollar bets. And then one day there's mid five figures of action that gets flagged.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And it gets notified and the site FanDuel, DraftKings, Hard Rock whomever and the league their interests on that are aligned.
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Danny Parkins
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Because the NBA wants the integrity of the game and the gambling company doesn't want to lose money.
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Danny Parkins
Well, in Vegas the margins for sports betting in Vegas in 2025 are thin.
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Colin Cowherd
Right, Exactly. So like they're, they are catching that quicker and more accurately literally the day it happens in all of these cases that have come up because of the regulation. So like the idea that it is like happening more because of it, they're going to also catch it. I will say though that like it is easier to gamble.
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Danny Parkins
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Because it is legal. It is easier to have a phone, have access to a debit card. Like when I started online gambling when I was 15, 16 years old, it was like offshore and you had to, it wasn't that high of a barrier of entry but it was like, are you going to get paid? Do you have to buy a phone, like a international calling card to deposit? Did you have to wire money? Would your bank accept the check? It was a whole big runaround. Now it is just, like, much easier. And there have been studies done on Twitter, Instagram, all these apps on our phone that they are, they are programmed like slot machines to get you to keep checking the pings and the notifications and the lights to get you to keep logging back on.
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Danny Parkins
It's just like Silicon Valley's algorithms. They want you on the phone.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, so that's what I'm saying. So I do think that it would also equally be naive to dismiss the barrier of entry to gambling being easier than ever before. Pretending like that does not have a causal link to an increased amount of problematic gambling behavior, primarily in young men. Right. Like, I, I do think that those numbers are going up and will stay up, but it ain't going away. Yeah, right. Like prohibition doesn't work. To your point. It doesn't work with alcohol. It doesn't work with weed. It doesn't work with gambling. It doesn't. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't. It doesn't work with anything.
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Danny Parkins
Never has. So.
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Colin Cowherd
And never has so. You know, I've, I've read really smart columnists on this story, and, you know, a lot of the conclusions are similar. And it is, you know, like the leagues got embedded, the gambling companies. That comes with a cost. Was it worth it? And those. The leagues are all universally going to say, yes, yes, you know, and, like, they're, they're. So these stories are going to happen.
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Danny Parkins
And it's, it sucks, Danny.
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Colin Cowherd
But I do, I do think it is an unavoidable cost of the legalization of sports gambling, but there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.
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Danny Parkins
Listen, Hollywood called Saudi Arabia money, blood money. It's a complicated world. Now Hollywood's taking Saudi money, right? So when I hear people say, well, live. Oh, stop. There's a real truth out here. The Puritans are always people that don't get offered things. Chris Rock, you're as loyal as your options. The Internet trolls, the anonymous people, they're always the most unified in their pristine views of the world. And the truth is, if you're offered stuff, people eventually take it. They justify it. Saudi money was viewed one way, and then now it's not. And the reality is everybody, networks, Hollywood leagues, everybody accepts it. And I look at sports gambling again, there's a little Bit of a link with alcohol where I think, listen I leagues for instance, stadiums cut off alcohol sales in like the seventh inning. Like we're serving it but we're stopping at the seventh. You know, bars, you know, tell people enough. My concern is I think the prop bets, prop bets on your phone are dangerous but if you ban that, well then it goes to the unregulated market and that's worse. So to me I would just rather have all this crap monitored. I want all gambling monitored closely. And then I mean like one of the problems.
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Colin Cowherd
I think there's a. Yeah, yeah, sorry. So sorry. I, I think, I think the prop bet thing is an interesting, like I do think I, I wonder if it is, if there's an interesting thought though to like if you're, if it's a, like what the level of player is that should have a two way prop market offered. Like should I be able to bet the under on the eighth guy on the NBA team and his prop is like six and a half points? I don't, I don't know. Like maybe they shouldn't be two way markets.
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Danny Parkins
That's interesting.
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Colin Cowherd
And that's bad. That's me, that's bad for me as the gambler.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Because like normally you get way worse odds if they are just one way market because people like playing overs. So those things get like inflated. Like the sharp money is often to bet unders because people like betting overs. Right. But I do wonder if a potential solve for this is you can bet Terry Roziers over and that's you cannot bet, but you cannot bet is on.
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Danny Parkins
That's right. That's right.
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Colin Cowherd
I think that there's that, that might be a way to help in the prop market a little bit because it, that is a legitimate problem. Like that is a legitimate integrity of the game issue. And again I feel like the leagues and the gambling companies, like the gambling company might scoff a little bit. That's going to cost us some money and the league's going to say deal with it. Like you want to be partners with the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, be our official gambling partner. Like you've got to take that 1%. Like people aren't going to just. They're not going to stop gambling. They're just going to gamble on something different, you know. So I, that I've been thinking about it a lot. I feel like maybe that's a potential solve. Listen, our no more two way markets on player props.
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Danny Parkins
Our brains work similarly because I thought about this interview I was doing with you tonight and I was thinking about prop bets and I'm like, well, I don't want it to go to the unregulated market. That's nonsense. I mean you just don't have the same radar. But I do. My mind went to the same thing is just no under bets because then it can be manipulated by the whole thing. Like Tim Donaghy always said, I wasn't trying to change outcomes. I just called more fouls to get the over right like and I've always been more concerned with officials. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Okay, let's talk holiday shopping. When you want to make the most of your Money, head to PayPal's app before you check out. They give you the flexibility to pay in four no fees, no interest. And this is big. Bigger than the 12 foot snowmen on your lawn right now. You can get 5% cash back when you pay later with PayPal. So whether it's the must have merch or for that signed jersey you've been eyeing, PayPal helps you make the most of your money this holiday. Save this offer in the PayPal app.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
That would have been a spot.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Danny Parkins
I hope everybody realizes that in 30 minutes against the best front line in the league, Wemby did wilt 40 points, no turnovers.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, hell yeah. Let's talk about it.
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Danny Parkins
Okay, timeout. What is he, 22?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
Okay. 40 points, 30 minutes, three blocks, no turnovers, 15 rebounds. Lost in all of this. That's one of the top five lines in league history. 30 minutes in 40. He shot 70% from the floor. And Dallas has the best front line in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Broke my basketball brain. Like, I, I feel like, listen, I have loved him ever since I've seen him as a prospect. Everyone has. I've talked about him in like, pretty, like lofty terms because of what he can be. But the maturity of the offensive game that he showed last night. I put together like a list of superlatives today on, on first things first that I ran past Nick in the segment that we do together on Thursdays and I was like, like, which of these do you think at the end of his career we're going to be able to cross out the names of the guys who currently have the records and it's going to be him. So, like, three guys have the record for most defensive player of the year awards with four?
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Danny Parkins
Oh, he'll win 12.
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Colin Cowherd
That's what I'm saying. I. But it's like Ben Wallace, Rudy GOBERT, they have four. Like, I, I would, I would lay minus 500 that he gets more than four. I mean, obviously the, the game minimum threshold is like the only impediment to that. But like he's 22, he's going to. I agree. 12 is on the board. Only player ever to win the scoring title and defensive player of the year, Michael Jordan did it once. Feels like Wembanyama could be the second.
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Danny Parkins
You know what I thought about watching him last night?
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Colin Cowherd
What's that?
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Danny Parkins
I always had this feeling that if you did a one on one tournament, Michael and LeBron, Kevin Durant would be up there, the bigs, Giannis would be good, but he doesn't have the ability, you know, because there would be three in the key to make it fair. I looked at that and I thought to myself, I'm not sure how many points LeBron in his prime would score on Wimby. I'm not sure he blocked a shot. He got a rebound over Derek Lively last night and Jay Billis said it. Lively, 611. He looked like a sixth grader. He blocked a shot. These guys that are 6, 10 and long, they turn around. Wemby moves off his player. He's blocking the ball near the elbow, somewhere between the wrist and the elbow. And I think to myself, if you added 6 inches to Kevin Durant and had the same quickness and a little more length, I, like, I'm watching him and I'm like, I'm not really sure how you defend it. You don't really defend this.
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Colin Cowherd
No, you don't. You don't defend it. And like, I just, I, I've been thinking about it like basically all day. Like, I think we're gonna just see things that we've never seen before, that we're not even gonna fully realize what we're seeing. Like, he did something last year that I like demanded we get into Breakfast Ball because I'm like, I promise you, no one cares about this game, but I promise you, no one's ever seen this. He shot a three pointer and it was like, you know, he was like fading back a little bit on the three. Like a pure jump shot. Like he wasn't like running towards the hoop. He shot a normal three pointer and he could tell off his hand that it was long. So he lands from the jumper and charges and he tip slammed. He put like a put back slam. His own missed three pointer. Like we've seen that on free throws, but on a three pointer, it was insane.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I, I just think we're gonna, we're like, did he take two dribbles from half court and dunk. Like, you know, I think. I think we're gonna just, like, start to, like, recap. We're gonna have to have, like, recalibrate.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
What is actually possible.
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Danny Parkins
That's Mike. There's a Krzyzewski, and I think Mark Few was there, and Jim Boeheim. It was Olympic basketball, and it was one of their first looks at LeBron playing in a practice. And I had heard this story. I don't know if it was from a friend of Jay Billis or it was somebody that. And I like, by the way, Jay Billis on pro basketball. I think he does a good job. I really do. I think he really.
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Colin Cowherd
He clearly cares.
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Danny Parkins
He clearly cares.
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Colin Cowherd
He does his homework. He keeps it to the game. He's very good.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, Jay's really good. And I think it was a friend of Jay Bilis that told me Jay had told him they were doing a practice and Krzyzewski was at half court, kind of arms folded, sitting back on the bench, and there was a loose ball, and LeBron picked it up full steam, swooped in to pick it up and dribbled twice and dunked it. And Krzyzewski just was beside himself. He's like, that's six dribbles, maybe five with Jordan. And it was, to your point, like, Krzyzewski was taken back by it. He turned to the Bayheim or fewer, both, and just went, what did we just watch? Steve Kerr, through a friend, told a story, one of the first times he had to face LeBron. And it was just like, I give him. I don't even know, but whatever, like, what do you want me to do? So I think. I think Wemby similarly, I just. I was watching with my wife, I said, see that guy in the shoes that are the bright shoes? I see he'll probably be the best player in the league this time next year. And I said it today. Luca and SGA can't dominate a game on the defensive end. And Giannis can't shoot, you know, beyond 16ft. Jokic is a more complete offensive player, moderate mid defensive player. By the All Star break. I mean, Jesus, Danny, six more games like last night. Is he the second best player in the league?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, like, it. So I think that this is it. It all depends on how we define this. Like, I always define that question by, like, the literal definition of what that means. Like, like a scout's eye. Like, the best basketball player. Basketball people and media, really, just not just basketball, because I think we do it in Football, too. We, like, like, I don't think Tom Brady is the best quarterback because I. He is the most accomplished. Sure, he is the goat. Yeah, but like. But, like, best quarterback is not goat to me.
- [32:33]
Danny Parkins
To me.
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Colin Cowherd
Because.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
Because.
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Colin Cowherd
Because it's like a scouting term. Right. The guy last night's the best player. Wemby is. Wemby is the best player because let's. I obviously agree with you. Jokic is a better offensive player.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
Yeah.
- [32:50]
Danny Parkins
More.
- [32:50]
Colin Cowherd
He's better pass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, I agree. But, like, how much better is he offensively? 10%, 15%? Is he 20% better offensively? WEMBY is 100% better defensively than Jokic. So, like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, the gap between, like Nick was saying today that Anthony Davis would have been like, the number one pick in the draft to, like, guard Wemby, I would say it would be Giannis. Younger, stronger. More like, like, stronger basically, than Anthony Davis.
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Danny Parkins
But like, they're both.
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Colin Cowherd
It's. They're two of the top three or four guys that you would choose to try to guard. To guard Wemby. But so, like, the gap between Wemby and the second best defensive player in basketball is the Atlantic Ocean compared to the gap between Jokic and the second best offensive player in basketball.
- [33:49]
Danny Parkins
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, so he's incredible.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And so I. But in basketball, we usually say, like, you have to do it in the playoffs, you have to win an mvp, you have to win a title before you can have like, the best player alive title. I don't agree.
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Danny Parkins
I personally.
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Colin Cowherd
I personally am like Aaron Rodgers in his prime, Patrick Mahomes in his prime. They're better than Tom Brady or Drew Brees. They're not yet more. I mean, Mahomes is actually not more accomplished than Brees, but, like, you know what I mean? Like, they're not have more yards, whatever. But that guy last night, he's going to have a quadruple double this year.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
It's only happened four times in the history of the league. It would not surprise. No one's ever done it more than once. David Robinson did it once. Hakeem did it once. It would not at all surprise me if Victor Wembanyama has multiple quadruple doubles this season. At 22 years old, he's the best player.
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Danny Parkins
That was a wild late window.
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Colin Cowherd
On.
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Danny Parkins
A day and made Chile. It was raining and cool. It felt like the fall. What a wild late window. The Denver Broncos Final 5 possessions with Bo Nix. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Walk off field goal. So Bo Nix. Not only did the New York Giants lead 19 nothing, they were totally dominating the game. Denver roars back for a 33:32 win over the New York Giants. I got to tell you, if I'm a Giants fan, I feel strangely great. Jackson dart on the what we perceived as the game winning drive plays with total confidence. I didn't like the pass interference call. Considering the consequences, I didn't love that call. You know, pass interference is such a nebulous hard call to begin with. But I gotta, I gotta be honest about Bo Nix. I said this last week and I said it the week before. John first two years in the league as a quarterback, if you can run, run, it'll buy a first downs. These defenses are sophisticated. This is not the Big Ten, the SEC or the, you know, acc. The windows shrink. The coordinators are better. You have to pick up first downs with your legs. I thought today, especially in the second half, Sean Payton let Bo Nix run on crucial downs.
- [36:10]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
Yeah, I mean Colin, it looked really ugly. I mean there was a point in time. I mean they had to score 33 points in the fourth quarter to win the game. They didn't have a point. You know, there was a stat I saw going out of the first half that over the last, the course of the last three games that they would be dead last in third down conversion percentage. I mean they were atrocious. They were, they were just going three and out. They, they couldn't sustain any drives. He kept missing the big plays and then it just flipped. I mean the one thing you can't deny that he has, he's got some mental fortitude. And Sean Payton, what looked like was the game winning touchdown. They ran like a quarterback power, you know, and they just let him. If you remember a long time ago, the 49ers with Alex Smith played Sean Payton in a playoff game with the Saints. They did the same thing and I, you know that quarterback. They should institute more stuff like that with Bowen and their offense because they've been running these deep breaking routes. He's been missing them. Keep it shorter, short, intermediate. Run the ball. I didn't think they ran the ball enough. I'm with you on the Giants like I won. Their quarterback just looks like he's kind of got a little something. I mean he looks.
- [37:13]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, Cam.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
Scatter. Boo. Looks fantastic. Their past rushers all look good. Listen, it's not going well. They've lost two devastating games. This in the Cowboy. This is worse than the Cowboy game. But you know, I'd say big Picture you're okay. But this was. It looked for a second when Denver was getting shut out and even when they were down what, 26 to 8, you're like, well, the Chiefs are on the transcending up and Denver's just got some major offensive problems. The Chargers are kind of. Are the Chiefs just going to run away with this division and then it's the NFL and it flipped.
- [37:45]
Danny Parkins
You know, I was thinking John desean because they really do, the Broncos, between Evan Ingram, Mims, Sutton, Franklin, they have long athletic and guys that can get over the top. And their offensive line is right now rated number one or two by pff. And I wonder if Sean has so much confidence in it. He's really looking for big plays. And the truth is this is only like 20, 24, five starts for Bo Nix. Okay. So it's almost like he's coaching like he's got. Because Bo played so much college football, it's almost as if Sean has put a ton on his. And because Sean loves. I mean Ingram's a stud physically. He doesn't even look like the. He looks like an NBA guy. And then Mims and Sutton, these are long rangy athletes and they're all talented and so they have the potential for big plays. But sometimes I think they should worry more about like five yards on first down. And a lot of it would be Bo Nicks packages because I mean again, when you watch him and you see it with Jackson Darth, these guys are born early in their career. They want to run. They know, they know how good the defense. I mean Jackson Dart we thought scored the winning touchdown. They literally called a play for. They said, forget scatter boo Bo Nix quarterback draw. So I mean clearly Dable trusts Jackson Dart to run. I mean I just. When I watch Bo Nix, I see the skeptics, but he is an athlete.
- [39:16]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
Yeah, I mean I would run the ball more. J.K. dobbins I thought looked really good. I mean when they get on the edges with their offensive line, the young running back RJ Harvey looks good. How about Hu Funga, I mean, has to be one of the better off season pickups in the league. He made play after play today in the middle of the game to kind of keep it close.
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Danny Parkins
Between George Pickens, Dallas acquisition and Hunga, those are great talents, but they're, they're just great fits now. I mean Hufanga was going to work anywhere. Pickens is going to be as good as his quarterback. And Dax absolutely. On, you know what did open it up. Jackson Dart had one Big mistake today. It was that interception. They were leading 26, 16, 540 in the fourth and he, it was an ugly pick by him. It was actually a great catch.
- [39:58]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
So it was the only way Denver get back in the game. They were going to need a turnover. They were down 28 or 26 to eight, you know, with seven minutes left, the only way you could come back was a turnover and he gifted him one on their side of the field.
- [40:11]
Danny Parkins
So we've seen Bo Nix do this multiple times. I do think this is true, John. I think those 61 college starts coupled with Sean Payton's play calling, this is what we always talk about. Who, where you land in the NFL matters Bo Nix. A lot of college starts in a lot of harsh environments at Oregon, at Washington, big, big games. All that college stuff I think's paid off. Bo Nix has been in a lot of close games, college and pro.
- [40:42]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
I do wonder, you know, forever with Drew Brees, especially toward the latter end of his career, like pushing the ball down his field is, you know, shoulder started to go and Sean really wanted this athletic, physical guy in Taysom Hill and it didn't quite work out. Now he has Bo Nix who has the physical capability of pushing the ball down the field and throwing bombs. It feels like he's very inclined to throw a lot of go routes even though it's not working because he's been dreaming about throwing go routes for a decade. Even though like you said with Sutton and some of their longer guys, I don't pretend to know more football than Peyton, but it just clearly is not working. I think some of the back shoulder throws, some just, you know, running the intermediate passing game, that's where their skill sets, especially with the way Bo's playing. Because right now his inaccuracy on the long ball, he just can't hit him. I mean he's just way off. Even on the pass that they hit that ended up leading to the game winning field goal. I, I just think he kind of threw it up for two guys and I, I don't even know who he was throwing it to, but it worked. And like I, I, I just think down the field he's not very accurate. More close. And he had a lot of balls batted today. That's a little concern.
- [41:46]
Danny Parkins
He did.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
I mean that, that's clearly a game plan thing with the defense. Put your hands up. He's not the tallest guy. Felt like he had like 10 balls batted. I know the numbers, probably like five. But there was a stretch in that game. How many times on second or third down, ball would just hit the ground and you just have a wasted play.
- [42:04]
Danny Parkins
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- [47:34]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
I think one major difference this year in the way they look on offense. They did last year. Hollywood Brown basically missed the entire season for him last season. He adds an element of just. I wouldn't say he's Tyreek Hill by any means from a speed standpoint, but he is a faster receiver. But he can catch balls, intermediate, go over the middle. He makes a lot of plays for him. To me you put him with juju. Now Rice is back. It's kind of opened everything up because Travis looks way better. Part of last year was like Travis looks really bad and looking back, clearly he's an older veteran player but everything was so condensed because they had no threat outside. So now you add Hollywood Brown who's completely healthy. Juju and Pat and Patrick have a good chemistry. Rice now back in the mix with Worthy. You can spread the field out and open the middle of the field for 87 to operate because to me, Travis over the last month, I don't want to say he looks like himself in his prime, but he definitely looks way better than the guy that I thought was kind of over the hill last year.
- [48:28]
Danny Parkins
Year.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
And part of it is he's not quite fast enough just to take on two guys anymore. But if he can get one on one coverage and just work zones and what he does best, as he's doing right now, their offense feels much more balanced and like you said, the Smith kid I think from smu they draft in the seventh round to go with Pacheco and Kareem Hunt. Their offense just has a lot of pros like not guys like I want to replace this guy, I want to replace this guy. Maybe not like hall of Fame guys in their peak, but just a well rounded bunch of. I mean their star left tackle has disappeared for a couple games, got some personal stuff going on. So whenever they get him back interior, their offensive line is excellent. Their quarterback I thought's been playing well all season and today, I mean spags I don't quite understand what's up with the Raiders, but they, they, I mean they. Patrick Mahomes had sunflower season hat on at the end of the third quarter, which is pretty unheard of in the NFL. Colin.
- [49:20]
Danny Parkins
Well, AFC had their chances, but the Ravens are one in five, the Bills have lost two straight and the Chargers now are just beat up. I listen, I'm going to tell you something. If watch the Chargers, Colts, don't blame it on Justin Herbert. He's getting hell kicked out of them and he is just sitting back there throwing darts. But I kind of look at Kansas City and it drives people crazy. But this league, for as long as I can remember, you can go Back to Eddie DeBartolo and Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. It's a leadership league if you're good at the top. I mean, you know, you go look at the New York Giants fall from grace. They lose Tom Coughlin, they lose Eli Manning. I don't think they were ever great at general manager, but they were capable. And it's just never been the same. It's just very hard, John, to find. As you know, there's no other Andy Reid in the league and Brett Veach is one of the great mid round draft guys in the league and the Hunt family is mostly hands off. And then Mahomes is uniquely gifted and, and it's just I always feel sort of like in college football, like if you're Notre Dame or you're Georgia and you hire the wrong coach or Michigan or something like that, you know, one of those schools, it's easier to catch up. You know, it's easier. Once Lincoln Riley came to usc, their offensive recruiting got better, right? Like, and they may not win this or that, but the offense got really good, really fast because he knows what he's doing. USC is a big brand. It's easier for blue bloods if Alabama gets Kaylin Deborah, he struggled for a year. Nick Saban, It's Alabama, like it's a huge brand. And I kind of feel that with like Kansas City, it's like if they have a bad draft or they have injuries, they're just so smart. I mean owner, gm, president, quarterback. Like everybody's an A to an A plus. So I just, I think the last couple of years it's, they can't figure out the offensive line. I watch them the last four weeks to average 32 a game. I just, they look different than everybody else. Okay, I want to, I want to wrap with this. So I always thought the greatest athlete, not the Most dominant. Serena is probably the most dominant. Or Michael Phelps in swimming is the most dominant. Usain Bolt. But the greatest athlete I thought I'd ever seen was a guy named Carl Lewis. So Carl Lewis was in track and field. He was a very unique personality. Not really appealing to the masses, I guess. But in 1984 he goes to the LA Olympics and he wins 100 meter, the 200 meter, the long jump. I mean winning any of those is sensational. He wins all of them and he wins a 4 by 100. So he wins like 4 golds. Then he goes to Seoul in 88 and he mostly duplicates it. Then he goes to Barcelona in 92 and he mostly duplicates it. And forget the Pan Am Games or the Goodwill Games or the World championships in Tokyo and Helsinki and Stuttgart and Rome or wherever they are. Then he comes back to Atlanta in 96, starts in 84. I mean there was just like a 12 year period. It was Pan Am, Goodwill, World Championships, Olympics. He was dominant in everything. And then I'm watching Ohtani Friday and I'm like, babe Ruth did not pitch and hit simultaneously. And remember the split finger fastball kind of came into baseball in the 70s or 80s with Bruce Suter. Remember Bruce Sutter? He pitched for the Cardinals and Cubs. He was a relief pitcher. He won a Scion. And he was a, he was the first guy to throw a split finger fastball. Babe Ruth didn't face that stuff. Those guys in the 20s and 30s and 40s, 50s, they weren't facing split finger fastball. For Ohtani to walk into this sport, to be a power hitter, to have that speed, to hit for average, to be a dominant ace, he may have one of the top five splitters in baseball. His fastball. He punches out Jackson cheerio. In the first inning at 150, all of his off speed, breaking stuff is above average. It's very good. Then he hits it out of the stadium. But I was sitting there watching and I'm like, think how good Reggie Jackson was. I mean Reggie Jackson was World Series MVP's iconic 550 plus home runs. Reggie Jackson was a terrible fielder, didn't run the bases, not a good teammate. I think Ohtani is the greatest athlete I've ever seen. I mean Michael Jordan wasn't a great passer, he wasn't a great deep ball shooter. He was a great offensive mid range player, relentless and a great on ball defender. But I'm watching Ohtani and I'm like, he's a top, top eight pitcher. He, I mean He's a top base stealer when he wants to. I just, I sat there watching and I'm like, jesus, to just be. Be an elite pitcher. Hell, guys can't stay healthy. Snell Glass, no Dodgers, nobody can stay healthy. I just watching that game, I thought, this is the greatest single athlete I've ever seen in any sport. That was my take on it.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
Well, it's definitely the greatest game that's ever been played. 10 strikeouts, three home runs in the NLCS. Like that's something. You see the kid in Little League that's going to be on all the travel teams that's 12 years old, you wouldn't even. You'd be hard pressed to find that in high school. You know, I think LA this year had a couple guys who were drafted in the top 10, like high school players. I would be shocked because typically now that they focus on one, they're not playing both ways, Right. The guy's an elite pitcher. He's just pitching. If the guy's a lead hitter, he's just playing shortstop. I vividly remember when he first started playing for Anaheim, because you had heard all this hype and the Giants tried to sign him coming out of Japan, I didn't realize how tall and fast he was. And I remember, like a ball that most power hitters do not make it to second. He not only made it to second, he was there with ease. And he went, holy shit. But you see that, guys, if. If Shohei Otani was born in Los Angeles or Dallas, Texas or something, he's probably a quarterback, right? Potentially. He's 6 foot 5, 210 pounds. He's definitely playing a lot of different sports growing up. Who knows, maybe basketball as well. I mean, maybe because he's athletically, he's an elite athlete.
- [55:16]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [55:17]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
You know, you watch the Yankees, it's like all their players look the same. You watch the. I remember two years ago going to a spring training game with Maria and we had really good seats, and I was like, I thought Mookie Betts is an outfielder and he's playing short and second base. I'm like, this is insane. It's like this guy, I thought he. I thought he played like right field and center field. He can play shortstop. And he had a play in the series that looked like Derek Jeter. It was like, so they're two best players. And I saw, you know, Matt Money Smith, He. Yeah, called Charger games. Him and DJ came down. I played golf with him, like last year. But I saw this clip that he posted interviewing Andrew Friedman, and he's like, what do you say to everyone saying you just bought this team. And he's like, we play all these teams that have all these star players and I see none of them out early. You know, three o' clock in the afternoon, you come out and you watch the Dodgers. Mookie Betts, Shohei Otan, all of our star players, Freddie Freeman are doing extra work like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tiger woods style. So it's like this isn't random. Their greatness, obviously they have freak talents, but like clearly from a team building standpoint, like really, they, they kind of.
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Colin Cowherd
Got like a Patriot vibe going.
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
Like they're all just. It's like this is a serious group now, obviously Shohei, you know, because he didn't pitch that well this year. Now granted he was coming back off the injury, but he's got pitch like that and hit like that. It's like there's never been that home run. Listen, I'm a Barry, I'm a Giants fan at heart. That's a Barry Bonds level home run. On the cream in the clear with Balco. I mean that's.
- [56:49]
Danny Parkins
That.
- [56:49]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
That was, that. That was insane how far that ball. You can see it. Do you remember when Barry hit the ball against anaheim in the O2 World Series and I think Tim Salmon was in the. It was in the dugout and he mouth, that's the farthest ball I've ever seen hit. Obviously, you know, Barry was kind of a mutant by then. The Dodgers faces in the dugout all kind of had that vibe.
- [57:09]
Danny Parkins
Oh, I know.
- [57:09]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
Never seen a ball hit this far ever.
- [57:12]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, it's just, it's just remarkable to watch him. And you know, I've said this, I think the Dodgers are the best run organization in North America. Max Muncie, the. The A's cut him. I mean, Tommy Edmond was a.260 hitter in St. Louis. He was a good fielder. Cardinals were like, we don't want to pay him. He was the NLCS mvp. I mean, Glassnose always had good stuff. Six, seven. But he can't stay healthy. So let me. There's no question they can roll. The Dodgers biggest advantage isn't just like, oh, Ohtani. Because other teams could have paid for him. But great players want to play for the Dodgers because ohtani comes up I5 to the Dodgers. He has better people hitting in front of him and behind him. And the pressure isn't for him to go 4 for 4. Ohtani had a terrible series until that game Friday. He couldn't hit. So I think it's like one of these things. There's a reason five star players want to go play for Ohio State or Georgia because you're surrounded by better players, right? And it's like if you're a great, like Freddie Freeman was playing for Atlanta, but it's like, look who's sitting in front of me, look who's hitting behind me. You get better pitches.
- [58:18]
Guest Analyst / Contributor
Well, I would say this, you would say Ohtani and Mookie Betts, you know, Manny and Papi were incredible power, but neither of them could run. I mean, this got to be when you talk about all around games, the two most talented players that have ever played together, I mean, how do you beat that offensively and defensively? You've seen a lot of these duos 1, 2, just mash, I bet. You know, Mantle and Garrig, if we go back the history of the sport, but we've never seen two guys that are this good on defense and one Guy can pitch 10 strikeouts against a team that just won 97 games. It's not like he's playing a team that won 80 games. I mean that team was weren't the brewers of powerhouse and they go like a month without losing a game.
- [58:55]
Danny Parkins
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Guest Analyst / Contributor
When you say LEGO Star wars, the first thing you think of is imagination or action. Or both. Definitely both. Like with Django Fett's Starship. I mean, with Stud Blasters, Seismic charges and three minifigures, your kid is gonna be creating stories until the Banthas come home. And for yourself, there's the Jango Fett's Firespray Class Starship LEGO set from the Ultimate Collector series. Enjoy some Jedi Master level mindfulness during your building time. Shop now for Star wars lego sets on lego.com or in lego retail stores.
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Colin Cowherd
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