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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Ryen Russillo on Aaron Rodgers, Wemby & Spurs Dynasty, Giannis to Thunder
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Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah, look, I think he's the best thrower of the football I've ever seen. I think when he was peak Aaron Rodgers, he was more talented than maybe anyone I've ever seen play the position. I know he's not going to have a resume that holds up with the Brady's and the Mannings, the Montanas and all that kind of stuff. And I mean, there's just throws. There's throws. I remember I was watching a game with Trent Dilfer. It's back when ESPN used to put us up at like Sundance Square for a month straight.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
And yeah, I remember watching one of those playoff games and you're sitting around NFL guys watching a game and just when those guys are in awe, then you have no choice but to like, be even more impressed than you would have been if you were just sitting there watching the game by yourself. I don't know that he's always been the easiest. You know, I think sometimes, like your quarterback should be somebody that reduces drama in the locker room. You know, I think it's super important. You know, I think back to those Brady years. One of the best assets that Brady had for Belichick is that he wanted to be brainwashed. Like, he wanted to be incredibly impressionable. He wanted to be just like his head coach and being reserved and never, you know, something I've always respected about Belichick is that he just, if you were going to ask him about some kind of distraction, he just wasn't going to give it to you. He wasn't going to add to the distraction by giving you something else that you could dissect. And Brady was very much like that. And I think the difference is Rogers, he was so good that even if it wasn't the same mold of Brady challenging the coaches a little bit more challenging the front office decisions. I mean, you think Brady was psyched when they wouldn't take a receiver all the time, but he was never going to say anything about it. Where Rogers, which I can totally understand, I'm probably a little bit more like him than I would be Brady, where you're like, hey, what the fuck is going on around here? You know, the problem now is I just don't think he was very good last year. And every older quarterback finds a way to kind of cheat the game a little bit where it may look like, they're still really good. And it usually leads to, like, some predictable throws, parts of the field that the opposing defense knows that they don't really have to defend. So on a one year, you know, whatever, I. I get it, but it has to be better than it was last year or Pittsburgh is. Is at best an average team.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I always thought, you know, were Aaron pushed back on the media, I always thought Tom doing that Monday. W e was classic Tom. Tom wanted to come out Monday regardless of what happened Sunday. And if you ever listen to those interviews, and I listen to a lot of them, because he'd give you about one bite, he would set the tone for the week. Like, okay, like, he would diffuse whatever you were going to ask. And if he had a message going forward, because, you know, Brady, by Monday morning had a message for the week, he would give you the quotable message. Aaron's the opposite. I mean, there's an argument Aaron's the opposite personality of Tom. Aaron, like, dismissed the media or resented them or mocked them. Brady manipulated them on a Monday for his need on that Monday EEI to just diffuse any potential landmine. And I think that's Tom at his core, you know?
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Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah. And those interviews, too, especially back then, like, what were you ever going to get on his case about? They were. They were basically in every game for, like, 20 years. Um, sure, some of the playoff games didn't end the way that they want to end, but, you know, when I would think about those interviews, it's like, okay, well, they're completely team Brady, but what other choice did you have? Like, what was there to criticize about this guy? And I. What I've enjoyed about Brady, because that first year, he's replacing Greg Olson, who everyone loves. He was probably average, but average for him in that spot with the contract and the announcement who he's replacing, it was pretty critical. And then he comes back this year. I thought he was fantastic. I think he's different. When I see him with you, Colin, I'm like, my God, like, this guy has so many great things to talk about. You wish that he had been like this a little bit earlier in his career, but I think those early Belichick years instilled something in him. It's like, if I give them nothing interesting, then I'll never. I'll never have to worry about all the extra stuff that these other guys kind of, like, dig these holes. But look, they were winning so many games. There wasn't really anything you're going to be all that critical of I just. The same way I look at Steph, like, when Steph is done and I've said it already, and I had Larry Harris on the pod last week from the NBA combine, where we were just raving about Steph, it's like, he's not only one of the greatest players of his generation, he's the single best partner in team sports. Like, sure, Steph. Especially in basketball. Like, he could get vocal. He'd say, how come we're not trading these draft picks? Or what's. What are we doing here? Like, let's. Let's package all these picks for, like, a guy I'm friends with during the summer who may not even be that good anymore, but he's not a rookie. And Tom was, you know, the greatest partner, which is when you have that at quarterback, which is what makes the end so funny, because Belichick's the only guy that tells a Brady with his resume, hey, I think we're going to move on. And Belichick does it with zero backup plan to, like, prove some point, which I'll never stop talking about. I'll never forget. And yet Brady handles that with all class when he should have been like, he should have been publicly. Are you fucking kidding? You're going to move on from me for Cam Newton or Mac Jones to prove some point? It's my favorite super bowl ever that he won in Tampa. Did.
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Colin Cowherd
Did you see Belichick had a real moment for me of contextualization. I loved it. He was on the Hannity podcast, and Hannity asked him, figures you'd be listening
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Ryan Glasspiegel
to that one with all your money.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah. He, you know, you're kind of a grumpy guy. And Belichick had a great response. He goes, we just didn't lose much. So every time my guys went to the store or the gas station or a restaurant and everybody told him they were great, he goes, I was trying to be the balance. He goes, you know, we just didn't lose very often. We never lost at home. So, you know, this season ends, and you're like, oh, 17. And he's like, you had to create some balance. He goes, you know? And I thought to myself, well, that's really smart. I mean, he never explained it. I wish he would have given Tom maybe a second game ball in 20 years. But I do think his point had. His point had merit, which is, guys, almost every dynasty, Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys, Shaq and Kobe, KD and the warriors, the Legion of Boom Ryan, they all should have lasted longer. But at some Point it gets out of Whack, and Pete Carroll and Russell don't connect, or Katie doesn't like Draymond. And basically Belichick saying, the way to extend it is be the balance, because it's smoke up your ass every day when you're dominating a league.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah, two things. I remember there was a game, and it was somebody that I was close to that was covering the Patriots every day, so was in the locker room, right, and was around the team, and they had beaten what was on paper, like, a good NFC team. Like, all of us thought at the time, this is years and years ago, we all thought like, wow, that's a really nice win, even for the Pats, you know, that's a really nice team that they beat. And I guess Belichick looked at the team right before they went out to let the media in and everything, and he was like, hey. He goes, media's gonna come in here. I think the line. He said, he's like, they're gonna have a bag of hand jobs for you. Which is an incredible, incredible way to describe a compliment. A marching group of compliments. I love it so much, especially with Belichick's delivery, like, you know, get a bag of hand jobs out there for you. And then he says the name team, and he goes, they'd be whatever they were. He'd be like, in whatever point of the season, he's like, they'd be six and six in our. In our conference. That's a six and six AFC team. So, like, and. And you can understand, like, how hard that game is week to week, and you have this really nice win, and then your leader is basically telling you being less. Be less impressed with yourself. And that part, you know, I mean, there's a million things about Belichick that I respect a ton out of and to your point, like, when you have to do that stuff. But there's also, you know, to the dynasty running out, like, to bring back Steph again, like the 22 rings, the extra ring. And I'm thrilled he has it. But as they try to build for the 26, 27 season, you go, hey, this stuff is over. It's. It's been over, and it's exactly what's supposed to happen. This run started in 2014, 2015, and we're still wondering, like, because Steph's still playing, can they put it together? And you're like, man, you should be thrilled. You got the 22 rank. But nobody can say that in the moment, right? Warriors management can't go hey, we got kind of an extra one, so, you know, stop giving us a hard time.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah, you know, it's. I talked about that recently, is that that dynasty ended before that championship.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
It did.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, it's perfectly said. Yeah. Yeah. It. That really wasn't part of the dynasty. That was. If you remember, Dallas fell apart. John Morant got hurt. Jamal Murray got hurt. The whole goddamn Western Conference was right between young and good enough, and a lot of the good players all got hurt, and they kind of skipped through it. And then they get to Boston, and Boston had the series and gagged at home and wasn't ready.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
They weren't ready. It was early on the Boston timeline,
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Colin Cowherd
even though they was like a year away, the whole league was like a year away.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
It's. It's not one of the great teams to win an NBA championship, but I was just happy because I love Steph so much that I was like, I'm so glad that he got, like, an extra one on his own. But when it comes to, like, dynasties ending. I remember when Jerry Krause was with the Bulls, and you go, okay, so what are you guys doing? They just won three in a row again. And we can go back to the last dance and realize those guys were kind of exhausted going into the third one. But they have a player in Jordan who just. You know, I do think there's a separator with him and everybody else that I don't. I don't know if anybody else wins a title in the third year other than Michael Jordan, because it just seemed like the team was over it. And, you know, Krause, ownership, they're around it every single day, so they win, and it's like, you know what? Let's pivot away from this, because we don't think they can come back and win the next year. I was like, okay, that's fine. And I remember Kraus saying specifically, like, hey, the Celtics held on to the big three way too long, and those guys all got hurt, so we're going to pivot out of this. And I remember as a young kid, granted, I'm only, like, 23, 24 when it's happening, but I. Because I like sports. I like the roster part of it. I was thinking about, like, man, could I ever work in a front office? And I thought it was, like, incredibly insightful. I'm like, oh, he's pointing to the Celtics example, and he's going to pivot off a team that just won three NBA championships in a row with the best player in the world who still can deliver. And he's going to do what? He's going to break this up because of problems with Phil. So then Michael doesn't want to come back and they don't want to do all these different things. And Scotty's pissed. And you're going to do that for Tyson Chandler and Eddie Curry. So it sounds like it's this to relate it back to Belichick and Brady a little bit here where it's like, hey, I want to get ahead of this. And it's like, yeah, but getting ahead of it for. For what? Like, getting ahead of it is one thing. And then to execute the plan, I think there's teams, like, if you look at Golden State, like, sure. I mean, if Steph wanted to move on, then that would be a different conversation. He doesn't want to move on. He wants to stay there and be there forever. I don't think there's a right answer. Post a championship run of, hey, let's pivot immediately. Most of those teams, you're just not going to be that lucky. You're not going to be lucky enough to go, let's now pivot into the group that four years from now is going to compete for titles.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I'm glad you brought this up because I was talking about this on the show the last couple days. I said, sam Presti's. You know, there's an old saying, Ryan, when you're rich and you get old, you can't take it with you. So go buy a fucking yacht. You got $60 million, right? And Sam Presti has the deepest bench pick. Swaps draft picks. Congratulations. If Wemby runs through them, do you sit there and go, okay, their superpower. I mean, they're not even. They haven't put the cape on yet. I said, today they've just walked into the phone booth. I mean, 20, 21, 22 years old, all those guys. I mean, Dylan Harper could be all NBA by the trade deadline. I mean, he could be like one of the best players. I mean, he's already just insane. Wemby's probably the best two way player in the world. I mean, Stefan Castle's a bully. I mean, he's going to match up with SGA perfectly. So my take is if Oklahoma City loses and kind of like Minnesota, where you're like, shit, guys, we don't match up, does he go, all right, four draft picks, half our bet. We'll give you a starting five, three draft picks, we'll go get Giannis. I thought the winner after okc, I thought the second winner in game one of the Western Conference finals was Milwaukee. Because you look at it and you're like, gobert isn't athletic enough, Holmgren's not strong enough. What's the kryptonite for? Like two to three years, maybe Giannis is it. And I thought, would it be crazy? You say it's the end of the dynasty, right? It sounds ridiculous with okc, but we kind of thought they were going to rattle off three or four and then you watch and go, oh, crap, let's say six game series, but like Minnesota, San Antonio, younger and kind of disposes them. Does OKC go big and say, we're not going to sit in our hands here, we're going to go get Giannis? It makes sense to me.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
I don't have a disagreement with anything you just said. Okay. Because I'll admit, even that game on Monday, I started thinking all sorts of wild things, going, oh, my God, the
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Colin Cowherd
second half, it's like, what the hell am I watching?
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Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah, it was, it was awesome too, because it feels like this coming out party and, you know, it depends on what cycle you want to be in with different ratings arguments where it's like, you know, oh, baseball is overtaken basketball. And it's like, okay, but you're also comparing like a Dodgers World Series against another country off of a Dodgers Yankees World Series against the Pacers and the Thunder, which even though it won seven games, like, you know, is that, is that entirely fair? Because I could look at the Arizona Texas World Series rating and point out it's the lowest rated World Series of all time. And that's not exactly like ancient history. It was three World Series ago. So you have these, these cycles that I think become very political, they become misleading at times. And I, I think just a lot of the snapshots of these arguments can become incredibly unfair. But to pivot off of that, I'm watching Wemby and I'm going, okay, is like, this over, over? Like, he's just going to be the best player in the world for 10 years and, like, we don't even have to do the SGA Jokic debate anymore is dear and Fox and some draft picks. Is that enough to get Ant if ant decides in a year, like, I want to go play with that guy? I, I mean, I was thinking all sorts of crazy things, but then as far as like a coming out party and the test that I always have is like, if my mom asks me about a guy who's a pro athlete, like, that's all I need to know. And she's like, hey, so what's, what's going on? And then, you know, your wife or your girlfriend doesn't even like sports. All of a sudden it's like captivated by this 7 foot 4 guy that none of us have ever seen. Unless you're creating him on a video game. And then your buddies would laugh and be like, hey, I created this guy. He's the real version of all of these things to go. Like, I don't even know if I can put a limit on what's possible, not only for his success individually, what the team would be, but then if, say they're playing the Knicks in the NBA Finals and it's the Wemby show that now has become something that's in that kind of tertiary world of, of people paying attention to the NBA. And then of course, like the Knicks bonus of. And the whole thing, I was, I was all over the place, like, with wild, unhinged, irresponsible thoughts. If I was doing a radio show. People have been cutting it up left and right. So I admire any restraint you could have had because I know you had an OKC question in there too, which I think we need to stay on, but go ahead.
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Colin Cowherd
No, but I, I literally thought that. I mean, I had like 10 rants going on in my head. One of them was this, right? Okay, okay. See, he's got the 12th and 17th pick. And I'm like, okay, I'll give both of those away. Move to nine, get a Dai Mara trade. Holmgren Hartenstein's leaving anyway. I'm just going to go get two new bigs because this shit doesn't work at all. I'll keep Caruso to be the off speed pitch, but I'm going to get the Spaniard, the defensive kid for Michigan. I need two bigs because one ain't going to work. Gobert got played off the floor, so I'm going to go get Mara and Giannis. And I'm like. Because I like everything else. And I literally thought to myself, that's not crazy. Sam Presti would do that.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
Right? Okay, now let's, let's be sane here for a minute. OKlahoma City lost one game in overtime. Okay, so there's that. Presti doesn't do any of the stuff you just talked about historically. He's probably one of the most reserved guys because he trusts his own process of drafting and developing, which he should, because I think the guy is like just a completely. Another level. There's a Giannis decision on an extension for like 275 million for a guy that's not exactly been healthy the end of multiple years after his championship five years ago. So I think that's another factor in, in this Giannis market being described as lukewarm by a lot of different people that would.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah, until I watched the second half of that game, it was.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
We're also rounding up on some of these draft guys. Hey, Mara's a big kid. Nice, nice. Sees the game like he's supposed to come into the league and solve this so that the Thunder are like, we got to get that guy. That's ridiculous. Some of the names that I've heard about because of their body types in this draft class are supposed to come in and solve the problem that the grown men who've been playing in this league for multiple years cancel.
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Colin Cowherd
Plus, it's a guard draft.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
I. I'm with you in that. I let my mind run wild because again, a year ago, we never learn. A year ago we're like, oh, OKC is going to win like the next five. We're not even 12 months removed from that accepted statement. And we're wondering if they need to totally rebuild this thing with half the roster because they lost game one in overtime where A.J. mitchell hits a three. They're up one. Oh, so I'd expect the thought. I thought it was a seven game series. The spurs are so ahead of schedule. This will be one of the most miraculous championship runs ever if they pull this thing off. There's nothing. I don't want to doubt Wemby at all. I guess I just kind of felt like, you know, again that default kind of seasoning. I wish I'd had the balls to pick the spurs, but I picked the Thunder and seven. It is not an organization that would react the same way that we do in the content game.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
You And I were on the same page, and the second half is going on. I'm just going, what am I watching? What the hell am I watching? Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. They're 20 years old. I mean, Dylan Harper in the last four months. I said the other day, I'm like, okay, there's Magic Johnson, who's the second rookie guard that was this good. Both ends, doesn't turn it over. Steals. I'm like, I'm not even know. What am I watching? I don't know. I mean, he wasn't like, I watched the. Or I watched November basketball. He's off the bench. I'm like, what am I watching? He's totally different player. It's crazy.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
You know what I love about him, too? And I talked to Mike Tirico about this today because he had the call, the game. He's got the call of the entire Western Conference finals. And it's. We both know Mike is just the best. And you're watching Wemby, and you're like, okay, he still is not even the finished product. Right. You know, you can still. The way Caruso plays him. The Lakers deserve a lot of credit for kind of like, starting this thing of, like, let's get a lower center gravity guy against him. We can't put centers when Chet is after him. When Chet is assigned to him, Something happens with Wembanyama where he's like, oh, good. Like, he wants to embarrass him every single time because of this history going back to some of the international stuff. And they were like, under 18, under 20, which is really cool backstory, this whole thing. And it's almost like chess. Like, dude, I'm sorry about whatever happened. Like, yeah, this is. This is a whole nother level. So, look, it's the rebounding. It's the changing of the shots. It's not just the block shots. It's the fact that you can run your offense through him in a bunch of different ways. Even if he's not like, this traditional superstar, that's usually always the perimeter guy that's just weaving through all these people. You know, you think of Ant as, like, that's what the NBA's best players should look like. He has a meanness to him, Colin. Like, the elbow was stupid. Okay. Yeah. He got himself tossed, jeopardized his team's chances in a game. You've got to be more composed. But I do think that there's something from that bigger picture that's an incredible win about his makeup, because he has Everything you want make believe. Size and skill. The passing is almost lost in the breakdown of him because of how good of a passer he is and the fact that he can basically see over anybody and has every single passing angle available to him. But there's a meanness with him that pops up every now and then. And this way that he wants to take over, which is like, I can't believe you get all these physical attributes. And he appears to have the psychology of the greats. The meanness that those greats all seem to have once they're out there. And for him to already be this kind of guy. It's very rarely would I ever say this, but, like, I don't think you can put any kind of limitation on what he can be in this league.
- [30:21]
Colin Cowherd
He's unapologetically aspirational. And it's funny, I remember I was telling somebody, sometimes you'll read, like, the New York Times and, you know, and they almost criticize people who are driven. It's like he was overly ambitious. But they'll love an obituary on an old cobbler who's lived in Vermont for 47 years and wears the same pants every day. It's like, that is somehow this sort of dream sequence.
- [30:47]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Would you write more truthful obituaries? Didn't really test himself at any point,
- [30:53]
Colin Cowherd
but, like, the Times will look at people. Well, he's overly ambitious. And I'm like, you know that phone you use or that Waymo you get in? Overly ambitious people create every fucking thing. That's great. Yeah, they're maybe a little off center, but everything. FaceTime. I'm talking to my daughter in Cape Town. I'm on the beach in Manhattan beach six years ago. I'm like, this is crazy. That wasn't a slacker. So my point is the American spirit. A lot of these international guys come over, like Jokic and, man, they want. They don't want to. They don't want to do endorsements. They don't want the All Star game. Mj, Kobe, a lot of our guys, like, they're very American. I said, today, Wemby is like steak frites. I know its background is French, but it is steak and potatoes. So it's about as much as us as it can be. Like, he's us. He wants to kick ass. He wants to win awards. He wants to win trophies. He'll throw an elbow. That's not the European player 10 years ago. It's. It's not. Dirk Nowitzki was more like, everybody loved Dirk. His best shots were six. He was a far away look before
- [32:01]
Ryan Glasspiegel
2011, people don't understand. I mean, unless you're our age or you were in it all the time. Dirk was crushed for years after that 06 collapse. As this guy is too soft. And oh yeah, we are. We are kind of simpletons. It's like if you're from Michigan and you're a big white guy, I don't know that we're ever calling you soft. But if you're from Europe, even if you're not, you are until further notice.
- [32:26]
Colin Cowherd
Tony ku coach forever.
- [32:28]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah, there was a shift. There's definitely a shift. Because as much as I love the draft, like, I was noticing it, like, even with Porzingis, I'm like, yeah, there's more of an edge to this guy. Like, this is, this is different again. I'm talking about like the healthy version of Persingis that was blocking everything and dunking on everybody. I mean, he was. If he had had a healthier career. I think Porzingis puts together something really nice here with Wemby. It. It's never. Yeah, maybe early on. And of course I'm always going to worry about his longevity because there's just such a huge target to fall into with those limbs everywhere. I'm like, you know, he's probably going to get rolled into a couple times and hopefully it's, yeah, one or two seasons that he misses because of a knee or something like that, because I just don't know how that will be avoidable. But from a personality standpoint, like, there's no part of him that's waiting around. He's not waiting his turn. And, you know, it's a credit to his parents, it's a credit to his team. And we know like, the, the newness of NBA stars, like, we all kind of like them. And then if they don't win, you know, year seven, if they haven't won, he can be the exact same person. And then we start to say, like, oh, what's wrong with this guy? And like, well, sometimes it's just really hard and there's nothing wrong with him. And they're in a bad circumstance.
- [33:38]
Colin Cowherd
Right?
- [33:38]
Ryan Glasspiegel
He's, he's come in and just kind of broken the mold on, like, I never would have thought this is possible in year three. And to your point, too, Harper's running around. I mean, Jalen Green could technically still play college basketball without absurd. That stupid sport is right now. And yet Harper's a year out of Rutgers and he might be my second favorite player on this team already.
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Colin Cowherd
It's crazy. The. Speaking of the NBA draft, if you were the Bulls, you have the fourth pick and, like, the 15th, who would you take? Who's going to give me somebody at the four spot you like and somebody around 15?
- [34:19]
Ryan Glasspiegel
I haven't done enough work on it. I know I came first from the combine. I just don't feel comfortable until I've done all of my work. But I'd say at 4, I didn't like Caleb Wilson as much as NBA teams did in the beginning of the year, because I've had teams tell me, like, they like Caleb Wilson as the second best player. And that's the teams that usually have kind of like, written off. The Peterson thing is way too much of a gamble, because if Peterson comes in with the same health issues and you're the GM that picks him and you're already worried about your own job security, there's a chance like that gets you fired. And then everybody goes, hey, dummy, like you just saw it at Kansas. I'm in the Peterson camp. Like, I don't think there's ever been a moment where I thought Devon was a better basketball player than him. And I'm hoping that this Kansas thing was just fluky. So I would take Peterson one. But, you know, the Boozer thing, he's. He's one of the smartest players I've ever seen. Colin, you know, the advanced stuff on him is off the charts. I think there's teams where maybe there's a little bit more analytical influence that would say, hey, Boozer's the number one guy on our board. I'm a little surprised. There's so much debons and momentum around the lottery draw, which I was there for in the building for the combine, that it feels like Devonse has kind of become the consensus. That doesn't mean all 30 teams and all the decision makers are that way with it. But Wilson was always, like, from smarter teams going like, man, Wilson, don't sleep on Wilson. Like, we think Wilson is physically that guy in a maybe more gifted way than certainly Boozer. But any of the other two guys that we're talking about here. And at first I don't know that I really saw it. And the more I've watched him, the more I think, like, I sometimes I'll ask myself, hey, is this guy a good basketball player? Like, yeah, he's 6, 9, and he's incredibly powerful, and his second jump is off the charts, but how good of a basketball player is he? Because Peterson's the best basketball Player booster.
- [36:08]
Colin Cowherd
He looks like. He looks like. If I had to watch Kobe in high school, he would have looked like Peterson.
- [36:13]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah.
- [36:13]
Colin Cowherd
First time I saw Doug, Doug Gottlieb told me he was gonna watch this guy Kansas, literally two days later he was on. And I text him. I'm like, I feel like I just watched Kobe at 18.
- [36:22]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah, there's a little Kawhi in there too, where it's, it's not. I don't ever think of him as like, some of these young scorers that come in, they're just kind of pigs with the basketball. You know, it's like, all right, you're getting a ton of points, but you're only really seeing like one version of the game where think every time you have the ball, the possession, the decision is always going to be yours. And I don't think Peterson plays that way at all. They obviously had challenges trying to figure out ways to like, be synchronized as an offense, be with him going in and out. But some of that pull up stuff, I would say, like, to your Kobe comp, there were times where he would go at the rim where I'm like, he's not taking off from there, is he? And like, I guess he is. And then it would work. So I feel like the best version that we saw from Peterson, even with everything. And if you, if you're against it, I would understand. But I don't, I don't think any of the other three guys are necessarily at that level. But look, if Wilson's there, you're. You're hoping to get a one and you're not going to. Like, if there were seven ones in a draft, that would be incredible. But I think Wilson physically breaks the tie over a waggler who I love, over Flemings, who I really appreciated, because I think those guys are more in control of the possessions and say, maybe an Acuff is. But Acuff can just get to the hoop at will with that body. I know everybody's knocking his defense all that time, but Wilson is just, you know what GM told me 20 something years ago? Like, hey, we're in the hype business. And if you're looking at Wilson and you're Chicago and you don't really have that much to get excited about besides Madison and Giddy, who is a, a guy you have to build around in a certain way. He has to constantly have shooters all around. So you can even argue Wilson isn't the perfect fit with him. The more I've watched Wilson, the more I realize, like, this guy's doing some special stuff. Like he stands out in a way in a basketball court where the other nine guys don't look like they're playing the same sport as him. So it's Probably Wilson at 4 to break the tie because of the physicality, athleticism over Wagner Flemings, who I think are probably more refined basketball players at this point.
- [38:30]
Colin Cowherd
All right, I, I thought about, I thought about, you know, sometimes they have theories on stuff.
- [38:35]
Ryan Glasspiegel
I've heard that.
- [38:36]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, so I. This GLP one. So what is it? Yeah, it's that. Well, yeah, it's that it's supposed to be like the super drug.
- [38:48]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah.
- [38:48]
Colin Cowherd
You know, it's like there's Zep bound and then there's ozempic and they're GLP1, it's like the super drug. It helps. They don't know if it helps with dementia, but diabete, I mean it.
- [39:00]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Two, dementia is better. Have you noticed the difference? Really? It's staff has been like, what the hell.
- [39:06]
Colin Cowherd
The momentum.
- [39:07]
Ryan Glasspiegel
He's not asking for applesauce anymore.
- [39:11]
Colin Cowherd
So my two theories on GLP. One is that everybody in their mid-40s, that was cute. But struggles to keep weight off now takes it off easily. And divorce lawyers are going to do really well. Those 45 year old men and women who just struggled with weight and they don't love the gym all of a sudden can magically drop 30 and she's kind of hot now and he feels good about himself. And divorce lawyers will not be replaced by AI. Divorce lawyers going forward are going to crush secondly my student.
- [39:44]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
- [39:45]
Colin Cowherd
Stop, stop.
- [39:47]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Give me the origin of this thought. Where were you talking? Were you by yourself? Were you with anyone else? Were you having a drink? Were you not having a drink?
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Colin Cowherd
No, you know me, I, I'm getting, I, I am get, you know, I sit on the treadmill and I think about GLP and I'm reading stuff because I read when I'm on the treadmill and I'm reading about this super drug and what it does and what it cures. And then I, I see people all the time on the Internet and you're like, oh, they're on Ozemp. But you can tell when people radically lose weight quickly.
- [40:12]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Sure.
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Colin Cowherd
And I'm just thinking, and I'm thinking to myself and then I, you know, I go out. Chicago's got great looking people everywhere. I'm with you.
- [40:17]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Love the nightlife. Yeah.
- [40:18]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, I love the nightlife. Come on. Tuesday night they are, they are knocking down bourbons at 4:30 in the afternoon. It's my kind of town, man. And you're looking at these people and everybody in Chicago, all these like 45 year old people up in these kind of moneyed areas, they just look great. Like nobody is even remotely. And I'm like, okay, these people can afford all these drugs. Everybody's got new clothes. You gotta buy new clothes when you lose weight. And I'm just, I'm thinking, I'm reading about it, I'm watching, I'm going out with Ann, I'm looking around and my take is there's going to be a lot of affairs. There's going to be people now.
- [40:57]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Brilliant, Colin. That's why I wanted to know about the origin. This is brilliant. This is you at your best, okay? Second, this is your obituary, okay? This, this wasn't the best looking guy, but could spin a yarn.
- [41:10]
Colin Cowherd
Second, one. Second. Glp, One theory, because I want to ask you, because in your town, everybody's a cougar. Second one is restaurants. GLP kills, is killing pizza sales because you don't want to eat it. Helps protein. Fish salads kills, desserts kills, alcohol kills bread. Pizza, anything kills it. Pizza restaurants are plummeting. And my take is the only people that, that aren't going to take GLP are suburban people with money boomers who are in their 50s. They're happily married, they don't give a shit. Restaurants, all the hip restaurants are going to start moving. You can't rely on young people. They don't drink anymore. Nobody's drinking, nobody's eating the big food. It's all salads, no dessert. I mean, restaurants make money on alcohol. Desserts under 30s, not drinking, not eating that. So those restaurants, the hipsters, you're going to watch an explosion in suburban America. Upscale suburban America. I'm seeing it in Chicago in the last year. Like that's our fourth restaurant new here. I've been here a year and my take is young people don't drink anymore. They're all on GLP. Boomers, they don't care. They're 58. They want to go out and knock out bourbon with their buddies. So that's my GLP theories.
- [42:41]
Ryan Glasspiegel
I'm still wondering how we pivoted here, but I love that we did. Okay, so you've also.
- [42:47]
Colin Cowherd
Well, we're on minute 35 and I don't want to waste your time. So this was how I was going to end it. But you're in Manhattan beach, so everybody's already hot anyway, so it doesn't really play.
- [42:58]
Ryan Glasspiegel
I'm sure. Some people are dabbling in that out here. I haven't been monitoring the people that I hang out with, haven't been monitoring their weight. But now I'm starting. But I love the divorce. I love the divorce theory because it's kind of like, you know, I remember one time there was a guy in my friend group where I was like, hey, like, you know, he got engaged. Like, he got engaged to a girl that I. He never really was talking up that much. And he just was like, hey, I'm losing my hair. I'm north of 30. This is the best I'm going to be able to do. That was it. He felt like she was attractive. She was the most attractive that he would be able to do from that point moving forward. Even though he didn't really even get along with it. Like, he didn't. It wasn't like, I can't wait to start a family with this person. She gets me. She's my best friend. All the things you want to say about somebody that you're going to marry, he didn't say any of them. He was just like, I'm starting to lose my hair. And I think I'm going to get pretty repulsive here shortly. And if I don't lock this in, then my next option is going to be way worse than this one. What you're suggesting is that that person say, maybe not a hair challenge, but a weight challenge is now going to start thinking because deep down a lot
- [44:06]
Colin Cowherd
of he's not happy.
- [44:07]
Ryan Glasspiegel
What can I, what can I do? And you're talking upgrades. Upgrades.
- [44:12]
Colin Cowherd
Divorce, Men and women.
- [44:14]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not leaving them out. Honestly, they might be more motivated than the men would be.
- [44:21]
Colin Cowherd
And also, glp, you have to like, I don't like it as a guy because I weigh 190 pounds. I like to lift weights. It reduces muscle. Women don't care about that now. Now if you're gonna, if you're gonna take it as a woman, you should lift. You should start lifting because it really does erode muscle. You lose weight fast. Guys, you know, to me, you and me, I'm trying to keep muscle what little I have on. I'm not taking anything like that. But so more women will induce these divorces because women don't care if they lose some muscle. You know, 45 year old woman's like, you know what? He doesn't treat me that great. I lost a little muscle. I look great in clothes. My take.
- [44:59]
Ryan Glasspiegel
So you're. If you're a young guy out there wanting to get into the divorce game, you need to start mapping out towns where women go out, you know? Yeah. I mean, there could be an argument for, like, suburban Scottsdale.
- [45:12]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, geez.
- [45:13]
Ryan Glasspiegel
I think they're probably already ahead of the game. Divorce attorneys in Scottsdale are probably doing fine already.
- [45:18]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I would guess.
- [45:20]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah. I always tell everybody, like, if you're. If you're a little bit older, you've got a couple Robert Grahams sitting around, you know, and. And meeting women is, like, your top priority, but you're too old for a lot of other places. Like. Like, yeah, if you haven't moved to Scottsdale, I don't. I don't know what really is your priority if you said it was meeting somebody, you know, move to Scottsdale. So.
- [45:42]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Hey, let me throw this at you, please. So Jerry. Jerry Jones said the other day, he said, you know, everybody complains about international travel. He goes, I gotta tell you, it's easier than one big night out on the town. He goes, when you're 27 years old, you can bounce back really easy from a trip to London. He goes, you know, at my age, one night out in the town, you need some recovery. And I'm going to Spain with my son here on Saturday.
- [46:06]
Ryan Glasspiegel
I can't imagine being hungover at 80. I cannot imagine it. You know, I'm going to not be hungover at 80. How about that?
- [46:15]
Colin Cowherd
I moved to Tequila a year ago. It's the cleanest thing. It's what I drink. I don't drink if Ann's not around. I don't drink at all. But if I'm with Anne, I do blanco, rock, splash, soda, lime. I moved to Tequila a year ago. Not that I was a hangover guy, but I could feel vodka. I could feel gin. I'm not necessarily. I don't mind beer, but I'm not a brown liquor guy. Mostly I like an occasional Manhattan or something, you know, but whatever.
- [46:47]
Ryan Glasspiegel
You switched to blanco, though. I've heard about this.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So it's just.
- [46:51]
Ryan Glasspiegel
It's a much better recovery drink. I mean, look, you have enough. Anything, there's nothing you can do about it. But if you're. Yeah, I've seen you. You're a. You're a mature. I'll get a couple. Couple jokes here. And then, you know, once. Once the lights get dimmed, you. You dip out. Yeah.
- [47:07]
Colin Cowherd
Dave at the 900 Club will look at his watch and he'll be like, 8, 10. Time for you to scoot. He does. Literally, he's like, it's a little late for you. And I'm like, hey, man, it kept Cougar Town. Get me out of here. No, it's so I do. I. You don't need that.
- [47:27]
Ryan Glasspiegel
You don. Need some. Some freshly on the scene woman coming up to you being like, hey, I want to just tell you that KD boat thing, that's the best analogy I've ever heard. And if anything goes arai with you and an, I just want to let you know, like, I get you and I'm gonna use that KD boat thing. And that's why you leave before 8 o', clock, because you can't even put yourself in that kind of situation. You get too much on the line. Good for you. You're. You're an inspiration. Go ahead.
- [47:55]
Colin Cowherd
No, I'm done. Anything else you got? You want to throw something out there? What do you want to promote?
- [48:01]
Ryan Glasspiegel
I've a children's book coming out.
- [48:05]
Colin Cowherd
No, really? Yeah, Speaking inspirational. That'll be something.
- [48:10]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Yeah, children's book coming out. I have a title for you yet, though, so I don't want to give it away.
- [48:16]
Colin Cowherd
Hey, how's that. How's the. How's the barstool guys treating you?
- [48:20]
Ryan Glasspiegel
Fantastic.
- [48:21]
Colin Cowherd
I know people don't understand how hard they grind. That company grinds. I go to those Saturday college football games they're at. Those guys grind their ass off on that Saturday stuff.
- [48:32]
Ryan Glasspiegel
It's been awesome, man. It's been even better than I could have hoped for. I had a big advantage because I knew Dave before, right when he started, I think, because he went to grade school and then high school with Todd McShay. So I became friends with Todd with McShay in Boston. I mean, this is a long time ago now, unfortunately. And then he's like, hey, you should meet my friend Dave. And I kind of insulted Dave, not thinking I was insulting him, where he was like, oh, yeah, he started Barstool Sports. And I was like, oh, is that a pamphlet that you guys hand out? And he was like, well, no, it's not a pamphlet. It's a newspaper. It comes out. So he was like, already kind of geared up, thinking I was being dismissive and insulting. And I was like, I didn't know. I was like. I just remember, like. Like, if I get off the train and I go to the Garden for a Celtics game, there'd be guys out there just handing out these barstool sports newspapers. And I, yeah, said pamphlet, which was not well received, but, yeah, it wasn't like we were hanging out or anything. I just was running into them. So there was, there was something there. And then when it came time for like the decision of what I wanted to do and I had sold a pilot to a network, you know, hooked up with a big time producer, sold it to a major network, developing that and some of the opportunities that were coming along, I was like, well, if I say yes to this, then this whole script thing, this, this dream that I don't know, you know, I can never imagine a scenario where it doesn't work out for me. And I wish I just shut the up about it, never talked about it, but it was a key part of like whatever the next place is. They have to understand that this is something that, that I'm still trying to do because even look, you learn pretty quickly. The writing's the easiest part and then selling it is really hard. And then getting it made after you sell it is like 10 times harder than all that other stuff. So Dave and I talked for like a few minutes and it was complete transparency of two guys that have known each other for 20 years. And I was pretty fair, I think, about what I was asking for. And they were incredibly fair about how they wanted to structure it. And so you still don't know, you know, because it's still a new home. You can get into your routine. Things of Spotify were going great, but it was, it was just, it was just really nice to have, have him go like, yeah, whatever. I mean, it took five minutes on the phone and so then you get in the building, you know, in, in theory, because I'm not exactly in Chicago. But then you know, Ceruti, my guys is working with them and everything and it was just, there was a lot of stuff with them where it's funny because there's a perception of barstool and yet if you dealt with any of the behind the scenes people and how locked in they are, how forward thinking they are, how smart they are about all these different things. There's like a whole group of people that you'll never going to know any of their names. The support around it has been great. And I told him too. I'm like, hey man, I just turned 50. Like I don't want to, I don't want to come in and have you be bothered that I don't want to be like one of the characters or any of that kind of stuff. And then Davis was like, dude, I don't, he's like, I totally get it. Don't worry about it. It's not a big Deal. But I just was there for a week and I went and did like six shows and jumped in with everybody because I didn't want to be the guy that was like, no one can ever have me on because I have a little podcast, right?
- [51:50]
Colin Cowherd
They got talented guys and they have. Whenever I. I think two or three times I've gone to a game and I've seen their Saturday behind the scenes business and they got their shit tight. They know what they're doing. They work their tails up. People just don't understand. You see stuff on the outside and, you know, they don't understand. It's hard to break in and run a business. It's hard to write a script. This is work. And you don't get to where Dave or Barstool and that brand is. Dude, that guy worked for years and was. I mean, I don't know how he was doing, but it probably didn't get paid much for about half of that first five years.
- [52:28]
Ryan Glasspiegel
He probably didn't make any debate. There's probably some times, some lean years in there where it's like, hey, is this even going to work out? Right? So, you know, I can understand tastes and opinions and how different we all are and. And I totally get that. Like, if we're speaking specifically about Dave, I get it. He's not for everybody. But when it comes to the business part of it and my dealings with him, to have it take like, this long in my career, where it's. You get off the phone and you're just like, hey, this is totally fair. Like, this is. This is what it's supposed to be. It's very straightforward. And everything since that point, too, has been like, complete transparency on everything, which is. Which is really nice. So.
- [53:15]
Colin Cowherd
You look good, bud.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
I feel good. I do look good. I was. I was looking at myself the other day, so I thank you for noticing.
- [53:28]
Colin Cowherd
All right, buddy. That's it.
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Ryan Glasspiegel
That's it. That's all we got. All right. Sounds good, man.
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Colin Cowherd
The volume.
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