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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast - Top 10 Quarterbacks, Jayden Daniels Sophomore Slump? Trade TJ Watt? Best College Football Programs
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Angela Rye
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Katie Couric
On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union.
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Angela Rye
I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back.
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Katie Couric
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Angela Rye
Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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Greg Rosenthal
Who are the 25 greatest football players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000? Introducing NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of media personalities including Mina Kimes, Steve Wych, Kevin Harlan and more for look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Who cares about truth when the lies More entertaining.
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Angela Rye
Welcome home. I'm Angela Rye, co host of the Native Lampod with Andrew Gillum and Tiffany Cross, and we want y' all to survive and thrive in this political moment.
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John Middlekauff
We're having the same debates that American.
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Colin Cowherd
Households are having all over the country.
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Angela Rye
I am terrified that in our rest we're going to miss moment. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
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John Middlekauff
Listen to Native Land pod on the.
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Colin Cowherd
Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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John Middlekauff
The volume hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection, turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the Original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart, Target and try the OG degree cool rush for yourself. All right, I am back from 12 days off. It ended up being 13, although I didn't want it to be. I wanted to be back for the Monday show. But you know, it's funny when you live out west. Arizona, Oregon, California, you know, if it's sunny out, then your flight will not be delayed. But in the east coast, the entire state, Rhode island can be perfect. But because of a lightning storm in Columbus, Ohio or Dayton, it sets northeast travel on its ass. And so yesterday, after about five hours, I finally left the airport and rebooked my flight. I rebooked three flights for today, Monday, so I could get back for Tuesday's show. One already got delayed two hours. I was on the one that didn't. So I'm here in Chicago. I'm good, but I golfed, I had cocktails, I did four mile walks in the beach and lifted weights. What did you do? Middle cop? Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Did you shoot 76? I saw on Twitter you were. That was the goal.
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John Middlekauff
No, but that, no, but I will say it's the best round of golf I've played in 10 years. So I have a new driver and I hit seven out of my last eight drives. Fairway 250 plus. I felt great, played the best golf I have in a long time. And what type of clubs are in.
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Colin Cowherd
Collins back like what, what brands are you funny.
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John Middlekauff
Everybody makes, everybody makes fun of. I got some tailor maids, but I only have a driver. A three wood affair, a five wood, a putter, 54 and 48 wedges. Pitching wedge 9876. That's it. That's all the clubs I have. I don't have any. That's it. I, I don't have, you know, your, your two, your three, your four, five irons. I can't hit them. And so I, I probably need like, what do they call Those.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you need to do what Freddy Couples is doing and go with the hybrids and the rescues he has. He basically has hybrids and rescues to like seven iron. He's like, what's the. Yeah, I'm old, bad back hit these great. They're the easiest club ever invented. I mean the equipment in golf. When I was a kid and I learned how to play golf in the 90s, like football's always kind of been the same. Baseball, they're using the same bats as Barry Bonds used. Right. Maybe the weight's a little different. The equipment in golf, I would say unlike any sport that's on television is the most dramatically different than it was. I mean when Tiger came out. If you, if you watch highlights in the, in the mid to late 90s, him and Phil, they are playing clubs that just simply not only not exist, there's not enough money to pay Rory McElroy, a guy like that, to even entertain playing that. So. Which in fairness, you know, golf was really hard up until the last 15 years. You know, you had to be to get decent. You had to be really good and took a lot of time. The equipment now has made the game much more enjoyable and much more playable because most people don't aren't playing three, four times a week. So if you're playing once a week or in the summers, it's much easier to play because of the equipment.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I'm going to get a Rescue 7 and a Rescue 5. That's what everybody keeps saying, you got, you got to get a Rescue 7 club. But I played two of my favorite clubs in the country in Rhode Island. Rhode Island's an amazing state for people who haven't gone there. It's got two or three of my favorite towns in the country. Beach towns, Newport, Watch Hill, Narragansett. It's just for a tiny state. Providence is a. Just got the best airport in the country. Number one airport according to Travel and Leisure Magaz. So it's just where I hang out in the summer. Rhode island is so much fun. I got to get you and your wife out there. You will, I'm telling you, you'll go there and you won't believe it. I tell west coast people, you just got to go there for about a six day stretch. I'm inviting a bunch of buddies out in August and I said just bring cigars. I'll take care of the rest.
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Colin Cowherd
Have you ever been to Lake Tahoe?
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John Middlekauff
Many times. Love it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, we spent the last probably 10 days in incline, which is the Nevada side, you know, Essentially, it's the opposite end of where they just had the golf tournament, which is also Edgewood, which is Nevada. Yeah, it's. It's hard to beat. I mean, you just. You can just sit on a lake, have cocktails. You know, the. The thing that it kind of brings you back to, it's. It's a small lake town now. It's grown, but it is. The pace of life is a lot different than what I get when. When I was living in the Bay Area or now in Scottsdale. There's not many restaurants. Yeah, they just relax. You sit on. Everyone is moving a little slower. The doordash, things like that do not exist. People get very, very uncomfortable about Airbnbs. I mean, that was something that really kind of took over, and there's been a lot of pushback, which I. I do think there's a balance that I. I kind of agree with. It kind of takes over the. The novelty of everything. But one thing you've seen with these quarterbacks and essentially that golf tournament, I remember growing up, and it was like Wayne Gretzky, John Elway. It has become so popular that I saw Josh. Josh Allen and Charles both said that. I know so many people that were denied because it essentially has become an NFL event with Steph Curry being the headliner. And these guys think about a lot of them. You know, Baker Mayfield's from Texas, went to Oklahoma plays in Tampa. You had Mahomes. Texas guy plays. They come here for the first. The Kelsey brothers, and they're like, this place is heaven on earth. I can bring my family. Oh, there's also gambling and boozing and hanging out. It's chill. And they go back every single. Charles has been back every single year for 35 years. Think about that.
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John Middlekauff
No, listen, I told my wife, you know, my wife's a designer, and she's. She's really clever. And we have a backyard. And I told her, I said. And I. I told my kids, this one time we were skiing in Deer Valley, and I told my son, Jackson, I said, jackson, this. This is when people fly to Switzerland or Austria. It can't be much more beautiful than Deer Valley, Utah, on a sunny day where I can see the state where I'm 9,000 to 11,000ft. And I feel that way. My wife, she has this pool in, and I took a picture of it, and I said, if you sent this to a friend, I showed it to her, what you did back here, and said, we're in Tuscany right now. And, you know, like, in a vineyard, you would have no idea the way the coloring. It looks so Italian. And I said this before when I used to go to Lake Tahoe. Maybe it's not Lake Como in Italy. Maybe it doesn't have that many high end hotels, but there are places when you're. There are times I have been in parts of Lake Tahoe. It is as beautiful as North America gets. Canada's got some lakes too that are just stunning.
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Colin Cowherd
We, the day before we left we just rented some paddle boards which is actually an underrated, difficult activity if there are some lakes to stand up. So we basically just on our knees and going. And you go pretty far out. You just look at this lake and we just sat there for hours and went. It doesn't get. Now I've been going there most of my life, but I got lucky. I was born two hours away, right. If I, if I had been born in Seattle or Texas, like I wouldn't have known. I've been going there for so long because where I was in Davis, it's our 45 minute drive. And I grew up when I learned to ski. My first time ever skiing was at Squaw Valley. Hosted the Olympics. Like you said, they're just, you know, Vale. There might be some places in the world that are better. Not that many. I mean it's on the short list of heavenly. And Squaw Valley are about as good as it gets when it comes to skiing.
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John Middlekauff
And the dollar right now is so weak that European travels about 30% more expensive than it you want it to be. And the flights are brutal. So I think sometimes people. I got the Travel bug about 10 years ago, the European travel bug. And you do feel like if you're not doing it, you feel like, oh, am I missing out? And I love going and I went again this year with my son. But there are. So I say this all the time to my wife is there are so many places in this country that are just absolutely stunning. And I mean I tell people, Newport, Rhode island, man, there's some hotels there that are just on the water. Adirondack chairs. It is. It's as good as anything in Europe.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you at this point in time in your career? Because I really struggle with this and obviously I'm at a way different time, but I can go especially this time of year. There's nothing going on, but I go about four or five days. I feel like kind of obligated to record. You know, it's like I, I have.
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John Middlekauff
To do like I.
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Colin Cowherd
Are you pretty comfortable now going a couple weeks I mean, this time of.
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John Middlekauff
Year is unique, but this is my longest break. I do a 12 to 13 day break every year at this time. I just finished it and then I'll take two more weeks off dead of summer. Fox is really cool about that. They understand nobody. You know, once Sean McVeigh stopped playing starters in the preseason, he killed the preseason. Yeah, that used to be August. I look forward to starters played week three. Now you got three games nobody plays.
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Colin Cowherd
It's a joke.
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John Middlekauff
It's a joke. I mean, I'm hoping Shador Sanders has a good camp. So that can be a story. There's just nothing to talk about. And by the way, because the NFL season's being extended mid February to mid March used to be awful, now it's not. Free agency in the NFL has exploded. The season's longer now. So there used to be a dead period after football that was like three weeks long to a month. Now it's maybe 10 days. Take a vacation, go in the sun, come back, and it's great. The dead time for us is July and early August. There's about a five week stretch. And by the way, you'll notice this with your local radio shows or other hosts. I mean, I don't follow him, but I saw where one of the hosts, I forget who it was, Dan Patrick, took his show to Tahoe and I thought, oh, that's smart like that. That's content.
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Colin Cowherd
It's hard.
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John Middlekauff
I think.
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Colin Cowherd
I think I have been. It kind of hit me this year that might be a plan next year. I mean, they're all there. One thing I saw Dan say, this is the combine is a lot like this. Everyone's in a good mood. There's no pressure. And he said, unlike the super bowl and which I like, you know, one thing that's cool about what we do here is you understand the super bowl can be. It's not a great environment for content because everyone's selling something. They're in and out. It's not great interviews, despite the big names. But the combine, everyone's in a good mood. And in that event, unlike the combine, it's not just coaches, it's the athletes. But they're not. Baker Mayfield's not there because of State Farm. Right. You know, Josh Allen is just there with his buddies, hanging out. He's in a great. He'll give you 20 minutes to just talk some shop. So I. It's a really, really. It's. I'm telling you, that thing has become an NFL event. One. One theory I have obviously The NFL is separated from a lot of different people. But when I was on your show, Patino had this comment. He's like, 20, 30 years ago, college basketball, college football, the NFL and the NBA were close to being equals. When I was a kid, Michael Jordan was. I grew up in 49er territory. Michael Jordan was every bit as big as the 49ers dynasty. He was huge. And that this is Northern California and even Patino's like, the separation's been huge. I do think there's a relatability to these players. Like you just, you turn on that event and it's Jason Kelsey, George Kittle slamming beers with 25 year old frat guys and that the NBA, the Oklahoma City Thunder, they win the championship. Half of them had never drank a beer before. It's like, you know, it's hard for the consumer to quite relate. Like I grew up on Michael Jordan, he drinks. Charles Barkley, been drinking for 40. There's just a relatable quality that I think football still really has. And I think it's on full display when some of their biggest stars. Now the one guy kind of getting made fun of, I'm sure you saw some of the clips was Rogers, the way he was acting. But everyone else is just hanging out with the people. It's a very accessible event in basketball has almost become the NBA. Specifically, like Hollywood actors or something. Like they're untouchable, you know, where football. George Kittle can just, you could just be playing poker with him at the Harris in Nevada.
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John Middlekauff
When I go to UFC fights in the summer, I will see George Kittle, Max Crosby, Christian McCaffrey, Kyler Murray Burrow, Joe Burrow. And they come up to me because I never want to bother. When I see athletes, I never want to bother them. Max Crosby I'd go up to because Max and I are friends and so, and I, I really love Max and I, it's just his story. Totally redeemable human being. But most of these guys, I stay, you know, I don't want to bother them. They'll come up to you. They're in T shirts. McCaffrey is arguably after Walter Payton, the greatest running back in league history. He's got a T shirt. Did I ever tell you my Christian McCaffrey story where he came up to me, it was a dark media room, ufc. He came up, I didn't recognize him. He had a cap on and T shirt. And I'm like, hey, hey. And my, my Ann was with me. They put his face on the screen and the crowd Goes nuts. She goes, you totally dissed that guy. You have to go find him and apologize. I mean, she was on me. So I go back in and I see him, and I'm like, dude, I. There's a thousand people in here. You had your hat over. He just. He thought it was so. He's such a good sport. He just laughed. He thought. And I know his dad and pretty well, so. So, I mean, it was just. But to your point, I do think there's a relatability with football players also. NBA players, frankly, are physically. I mean, Aaron Donald doesn't look like any of your friends.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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John Middlekauff
But you could take. You could take Teddy Brusky. So great football player Rodney Harrison. If you have a buddy that works out, they don't look that different than those guys. Football players do not look as big as half the guys in Gold's Gym. They're athletes. They don't want to be so yoked up. They can't. So an NBA guy, I remember years ago going to the ESPYs, like, 15 years ago, and I'm sitting there at the time with Michelle Beadle was on the stage, and Amari Stoudemire walked in. I'm like, how did that guy get a tux? I mean, you know, he's just. Physically, NBA players are just different. They're 7:1. I've never met anybody in my life that was over six, eight. You know, like, it's like, in college, NBA guys are seven one. They're long.
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Colin Cowherd
They.
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John Middlekauff
I mean, they. Literally. There's like, five stores in the country where they can shop for shoes. And so I do think football players kind of like, if you went to Gold's Gym. And I've had guys come up to me at the gym over the course of my life, and he's like, yeah, I played four years for the Atlanta Falcons. Bad knee. It's like. It was a corner, and I'm like, oh, where'd you go to school? Oh, Coastal Carolina. It just. He's a dude at Gold's Gym. Like, nobody cares. So to your point, I do think there's. There's a. There's a beer and brats quality to.
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Colin Cowherd
NFL guys, big time.
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John Middlekauff
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John Middlekauff
Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does, because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart, Target and try the OG degree Cool Rush for yourself. Hey, so I saw Something and I wanted to talk about this. So ESPN did a survey of executives, coaches, scouts, and it came out their top 10 quarterbacks. And I was on the plane reading this today and I thought, that's about as close is any top 10 quarterback list I've ever seen. It goes Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar Jaden, Stafford, Herbert Goff. I've always thought Goff because he's not dynamic, he's not fun to root for. The guy was a number one pick out of Cal. He got to a Super Bowl. I've seen him outdo my homes in big games. He's good. Then they go hurts 9 and Baker 10. And I thought people, when I say this, that's about as good a list as I've seen. People would say, oh, what about Baker? Well, I got Baker. If I did a list closer to 10 than 15. Now, I think over the. After last year, I think I kind of scratched down a list on the plane that I had him at like 12. But I'm not bothered at all that Baker. I think Baker and Darnold are both in that 10, 11, 12 space. I'm totally comfortable with both.
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Colin Cowherd
I'd say Baker now is two straight years and he has that second year in Cleveland. And just looking at him on the golf course and it's been talked about, he's definitely lost weight. He looks fantastic. And there is an element, there's a Farveon element. If you remember when Dorsey took him number one overall. The. The intangible kind of the. I would say this though, for what makes Jalen kind of unique. And the arguments over Jalen are such a waste of time. Like, he won, literally won the Super Bowl, super bowl mvp. And I looked at his contract. By the end of like 2027, he will accumulated $200 million playing football on the field. I'm sure he's making money. He won like it. We can argue till we're blue in the face once he won the super bowl. Like, he's got an element that Goff. I mean, hell, Lamar, Josh Allen, some of these guys are still chasing, I think, the top four. You know, Mahomes hasn't played as well in the regular season as those other three guys the last couple years. But we have full faith in him in the biggest moments to get it done. And he has. The top four is just set. If you want to argue, Burrow second, Josh Allen second. I don't care. But like Mahomes is one, then you can argue the ranking of the next three. I think what Makes Stafford unique. If all the teams were equal, like everyone had the same team, you know, in a one game situation, in a month situation, he could, he could outdo anyone and go to toe to toe with anybody. Or Jared Goff. If I told you your offensive line had a lot of question marks, you would like a Jalen hurts even Baker more than God. Yeah, I mean he can't move well, he's on the team with the best offensive line in the league. So it's, you know, he benefits from that. And that's where I think, you know, Jaden Daniels. I would had C.J. stroud as like the fifth or sixth best quarterback last year. And if you look, he's an honorable mention in that thing.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah. So I, I thought I may have CJ Stroud 10 and Baker 11. Ish. That felt about right. I like Kyler, I still like Kyler Murray, so I'm in the minority here. I think he's elusive and I think he throws a great ball.
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Colin Cowherd
But I, But I think CJ's story kind of speaks to Jaden Daniels. I would say Jaden as a rookie, it's not apples to apples, but was better than cj. Just the eye test, you know, numbers we could argue, but just Jaden is about as good as it gets. But they did get to kind of fly under the radar most of the season until the playoffs. It's, you know, what makes Brady Payton, Tiger Woods, Aaron Judge, whoever great players is every single year, every single game. Aaron Donald for decade, everyone circled him all week long and he still dominated. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, it's like, you know, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen have been keeping defensive coordinators up at night for a long time and they still kick ass. Same with Joe Burrow last year.
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John Middlekauff
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, Jaden Daniels, this is gonna, everyone's gonna take them seriously. So I got a lot of respect for Dan Campbell and the Lions, like early on it's like, okay, you gotta, the last couple years like everyone has been approaching them like one of the best teams in the league and they've answered the bell. Same with Jared, you know, we'll see Jaden Daniels, like no one is sleeping on you this year. That's from the shittiest team to when you're playing the packers, the Vikings, that's hard, you know.
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John Middlekauff
Well, even baseball figured it out with analytics is that they don't want a starter facing a batter for the third time. Right. So you go through the order twice and then by the time you're going to face so what they're telling you, even starting pitchers, even aces, they want it, they want you out of there. But the third time, because a guy after a third groove on you gets a vibe, because a lot of pitchers get better. You know, Verlander I and Wainwright in their prime, I thought Nolan Ryan was better. Fifth inning on, can you imagine pulling Nolan out with a one hitter in the sixth? You do a Robin Ventura on you. But the reality is there is truth to what you're saying is it is very hard in the middle of the marathon when you're on the treadmill to break down Jaden Daniels over the course of two days on a couch in an office sleeping. And this is the solution. This is the kryptonite. When you give guys an offseason, these defensive coordinators, they find play, they go through all the analytics and find out he doesn't see to his right as well as his left, he's more accurate. So I do think he was miraculous. But I'll also make this argument if I told you you combine Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, that's what I thought Jaden Daniels was. I thought he was. I mean Burrow to me is even better than Mahomes. If you told me a two minute drill, a minute 50 left, no timeouts left and protection is okay, I think Burrow is as good as anybody I've ever seen in the last 10 years. Now Mahomes gets all the credit because.
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Colin Cowherd
Mahomes, you give him Chase and Higgins. Mahomes numbers look a lot different, right?
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John Middlekauff
You're right, you're right, that's, that's fair. But I think Burrows ability on third down, third and seven sitting upon little tiny weird windows, you're like, what in the hell? And I thought Jaden had that mixed with about 85% to 80% of Lamar Jackson. So I think I thought Andrew Luck was the best rookie quarterback I've ever seen with bad teammates. I thought Jaden surpassed him. He didn't make the mistakes of Luck. So my take is even if he pulls back 15%, John, if you start looking at his third and fourth down numbers last year, fourth quarter numbers, they are Brady in his prime.
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Colin Cowherd
I bet a lot of people, especially the Lamar defenders, if you just look at the number, you're like, how the hell do you have him fourth? But if you read the quotes, the executives and the coaches are very complimentary of Lamar and I agree his passing, the progress he's made from when he first won that MVP to the version he's been these last Couple years in the race. He's an elite player now and he's a fantastic passer at least in the regular season and he was in that second half of that Bills game. It just Mark Andrews had a couple drops. Jaden is already that immediately like he's a dominant passer immediately. Now if you tell me he this year he throws 38 touchdowns and 10 picks, I'd be like he's just on the crash course to be one of the great players of all time. I mean if he just answered because I thought that about CJ last year, it's like, God, he just game's easy to him and it gets hard, you know, offensive line wasn't quite as good. The offensive coordinator, that's the thing with Cliff, seems like a great guy and I know everyone in the league loves him, but I've seen his offense over the course of time get figured out a little bit. Now I like Jaden more than I do Kyler and it feels like, you know, that version of Kyler that he dealt with, the maturity was a major question mark. Not a question mark with Jaden. But I do think it's difficult when everyone's gunning for you like you're an all pro immediately, you know, and it's just that's not how they were treated last year on a weekly basis. And they are going to get the treatment. I think when you play the Washington Commanders this year, you're not approaching the game that much different than when you're playing the Eagles. Like this is a 12, 13 win team they plan on. They can win the super bowl like we are. All in all, you know, Belichick used to go on these long like diatribes when he played like a 1 in 11 Miami team. It's like Bill, remember Julian got mad at me for this. It's like Julian, not most people can't take these awful teams seriously, but Bill could. But everyone can. And this is what Bill and Saban was great at this too is that they really can kind of convince you. You don't need to convince when you're playing the 10 and 1 Baltimore Ravens or when you're playing the peak Alabama team in your Georgia. Right. It's the team. You don't need a new rock me speech. You're not going to need that when you're playing Washington. And for the last decade if you're a seventh year player on the Cowboys or the Eagles, like you kind of cruise through the Washington game. That's no longer the case. Now it's same thing with the Lions. And that's where I think Dan Campbell deserves a lot of credit with the way he's kind of, you know, he's a Harbaugh brother. I consider him the third hardball brother, the way his intensity is in his focus. I know you were hard on him, but I do think he's proven to be pretty damn good. Right?
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John Middlekauff
Yeah. No, I was wrong on Dan Campbell. I thought. I thought he was a bit of a meathead. My take was. And I was just like, I don't know if he's smart enough. The league's getting really smart, really clever offensively, and he's a little bit of a rah rah guy. But you know what? It's so authentic. He is so passionate, and it's so authentic. And I think the players can feel that authenticity and they buy into him. And I also think he has a great front office. And I mean, it's just there. That's a front office that doesn't go for flash. I mean, prime example, a couple years ago, they get, you know, an inside linebacker, a running back, that they're getting the best players available. This year, they went heavy on interior offensive linemen. You know, it's got a Rams feel to it, and that's where he came from. Brad Holmes came from Los Angeles, that they just draft really good players. I mean, this year, you're like, the Rams need another outside linebacker. They get a Michigan kid and they're like, he's great on tape. He's passionate. He plays hard. The Rams have, you know, no head cases. Detroit similarly, like, good guys, like all the Lions, guys like Omaron St. Brown and Aiden Hutchinson and Jared Goff and Penne Sewell. No A holes, like, all really, really good guys. So there are people in this league, and I think Dan Campbell has benefited from that. A really good gm, but he deserves credit. You know, I think in the NFL, you ask so much of players physically, this is why Mike Tomlin, his strength, Pete Carroll's strength. But Tomlin and Dan Campbell have a physicality. They look like they could play right today.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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John Middlekauff
Is that you. You ask so much of. I mean, if you have a bad thumb, you take a series off. In baseball, it's understood. If you have a bad calf, you take a road trip off. In the NBA, it's understood. In the NFL, you play hurt, and the coach is going to ask you to play hurt. And so when you ask athletes or men, I don't care if you're a fire chief or a police chief, you're putting people in harm's way. There is a certain personality, an alpha personality that works. You know, you can't ask the fire chief, can't ask all those guys to run into buildings. They got to believe those firemen have to believe that guy deeply cares about them as human beings beyond just coworkers. And I think Dan Campbell sells that. I think it's authentic. I think he loves his players. I think they. They feel it. I think McVeigh's got that quality, too. And I think all the Harbaughs do. They love their players.
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Colin Cowherd
And listen, I'm not selling Washington because I think Dan Quinn has characteristics of that as well.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Of being a tough guy who's a defensive lineman in college, defensive coordinator, tough guy. But he's like a lovable tough guy, and that's very important. And I think he is. They're pretty lucky because I think it's going to be intense for them. But they have a coach who's been through the ringer. Right. He's a guy that's been fired. He's. He had to reinvent his career, obviously. I mean, what he did last year spoke for itself. You know, Dable is a good example of, like, a couple years ago, I'm like, this is the best coaching job I've ever seen. He won nine games. I think they got like, three total good players. But he'd never been a head coach. And as time went on, it just kind of, you know, unraveled a little bit. You don't have as much to lean on. Dan Quinn. Once you've been a head coach and you've been fired, you've kind of seen it all, especially when you've had success and you've worked for the best in the business. You know, you talk to anyone. With the Chiefs, there's no taking practices off. I mean, they're not winning these games late in the season and all these playoff games close because they have a bunch of guys that just chill Monday through or Wednesday, Thursday and Friday in October and November, and then start practice. You are obligated to practice. I mean, it's a tough environment. No different with the Ravens. No different now with the Chargers. With Harbaugh, like you said said, it is hard. I mean, the NFL, you practice way more than you play. And these coaches, they will push you to the limit of what they are allowed to use with the pads, you know, these. The CBA doesn't allow them to have that many physical practices like they used to. But the Harbaugh brothers, obviously, Andy Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll, Shirley will push it to the limit when it comes to that. So I just think the same teams are winning. We talk about this all the time. Are winning over and over. I mean, look at the top quarterbacks there on the list. They also benefit from playing. I mean, Burrow's somewhat of an outlier, but they all play with really well run or I mean, Baker resurrected his career. You know, if you would have put Baker in like Arizona the last couple years, probably doesn't look, but he goes to Tampa, best GM in the league or one of them, a bunch of good players, high level guys and boom, resurrects his career. He, he's matured. And same with Jared Goff. Jared Goff just talked about, you know, when he was traded, it really rattled him. A couple years later, gets another big extension and now he's, you know, I would say he's going to make five or six Pro Bowls in his time in the nfc, you know, or for the Lions.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, no, I think. Were you surprised that Ryan Poles got a contract extension? I, I'm kind of mixed on Ryan Poles. I think Ben Johnson now, and you and I have talked about this, the coach makes twice to three times as much as the GM does. So the coach has a lot of say. And Ben Johnson, you know, you could tell with that interior lineman, Drew Dahlman, Joe Tuney, Jonah Jackson, that's got Ben Johnson's fingerprints all over it. Because what you're also saying with those moves is you didn't do a good enough job to last several years building this offensive line. I'm going to go on the market and pay for guys, especially interior offensive lineman. I'm going to go pay big money. I was a little surprised. I'm not anti Ryan Poles. I think he's been fine. The Vilas Jones wide receiver pick, he could have called me. I could have told him that wasn't going to work. A couple years ago they only had four picks. He drafted a punter. I'm like, come on, you do that when you have 13 picks. Where are you on polls?
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Colin Cowherd
You know, Mike Lombardi used to talk a lot about this in the front offices. Unlike coaching, where you're truly judged wins and losses, or if you're a coordinator, do you get along with the star linebacker or the star quarterback? Does your unit produce? As a gm, we see a lot of average guys survive for a long time because when the game is being played, they're, you know, the Bears are unique. You're not necessarily. I know she just Passed away. But the most important guy there is Kevin Warren, and that's. He's close to Kevin Warren and Kevin Warren likes him. That's an important relationship. You know, we've seen a lot of GMs, I would say, in all sports, but specifically football, last longer than they should because the decision maker, whether that's the president, a lot of times it's the owner really likes the guy. And I think with coaches, it's easier to get rid of them and get a new guy where with the gm, I think this is simply like he did a pretty good job of cultivating and extending a relationship with Kevin Warren that could have gone sour. Right. He didn't get caught in that wake. That was Eberfluous because, let's face it, he blamed it all on him. Which I'm not saying Hebrew Flutes was a good head coach. He was objectively awful. But it wasn't all his fault. I mean, the team was not built to play in Chicago from an offensive line standpoint. They built around wide receivers. I love Rome, but you should not have taken him at nine. You play in Chicago, you play in a tough division. You should have taken a lineman there. There were other options. Look at the Jets. They took the. An offensive line, but they're in that position and the guy didn't even start right. So it's like you sometimes. And Ryan Polls is he was, I'm pretty sure, the left tackle for Matt Ryan at Boston College. It's not like he played wide receiver. So I think he got. You got to be a politician to survive. It's no different than corporate America sometimes because it's. It's easy to see less need or Howie or, you know, Ozzy Newsom over the years. Brian Polls, you're like, what's his record? How many. He did orchestrate a trade with David Tepper that he benefited from. But I would also say that we'll see how that ages because his job isn't just while everyone just said, take Caleb Williams. I have people in the NFL that said, you know what? Because they go, Adam Peters last year got crushed for bringing all five quarterbacks not named Caleb Williams into the facility at the same time. And he took him to play topgolf. And they're like, don't. You know? He's like, no, I want to get. See all these guys in the same environment, get to know them, kind of really judge them. Ryan Poles only dealt with Caleb didn't even give Jaden Daniels, who had one of the great rookie seasons we've ever seen. At the time, they didn't even bring him in on a 30 visit. So I just think it's part of relationships. People I know in Kansas City that work with him love them. I thought when he got hired, if you remember, he made a comment like, I, I, I, I, I'm gonna screw it up. That verbat. This wasn't exactly what it was, but something like the packers have been running this division. It's our time now. Or it's, you know, it's their time is it's like, what are you, you come from Andy Reid. They do not talk like that over in Kansas City. And they've been winning and then obviously he's been embarrassed since. But listen, he's going to go as they don't sign this contract if Ben Johnson doesn't sign off on this. Because if you remember, Trent Balky survived until he didn't and then Liam Cohen wanted him out. So clearly he's done a good job of creating a relationship with Ben Johnson, which is important. But yeah, I mean, I think getting buddy buddy with Kevin Warren over the last 12 plus months as Eber flu was on the hot seat was was good foresight by Ryan. It got a lot more money for the next four or five years.
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John Middlekauff
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Colin Cowherd
I. I agree with you. Big picture. I think the problem is once they make the move to trade for DK Metcalf with Aaron Rodgers, they're kind of all in on this season. Yeah, that's where T.J. watt kind of has them by the. You know what? Because what are they going to do? He's not the only their best player. As a couple people in the league pointed out the problem with trading him, especially at this point in Time right before training camp is his leadership and what he brings to the table in terms of that team. Like he's the heartbeat. He's their Max Crosby. He's just, I mean he stands for everything that that franchise is. And I think, think about this. They traded make a Fitzpatrick for Jalen Ramsey. So the Rams put it on Jalen Ramsey a couple years ago and they also signed Darius Slay, who the Eagles just like, yeah, it's, it's ended here. So they got two guys who the two of the top organizations were like, yeah, these guys are old and trending in the wrong way. And you take for Minka Fitzpatrick, who like T.J. watt checks all the boxes. You know, from a intangible standpoint, the problem is safety is kind of the new running back. People don't value it as much, so they're going more in the corners. I don't think they have a choice with TJ Watt. They almost, if I'm tj, I do not show up until they capitulate to my demands. Which is Miles Garrett. Garrett, right. Max cry. I want 100 million new dollars coming my way. That's the going rate for people like me, but that's pretty questionable. I've supported the Bengals. It's like you get the 30, 31 year old guy who wants Miles Garrett's an outlier. He's like a LeBron James physically. I, I, I would give an extension to an older player that's built like that. To me, T.J. watt, Trey Hendrickson, it's like I, we have a long history of guys with their third contract, there's a, they've already been in the league close to a decade. You get beat up. It's just you're not quite the same as you once were. Well, when you go from being a 10 out of 10 to like, well, he's like a 9.2 and then he's an 8.8. You can get to like that 6 or 5 mark pretty quick. It's a precipitous drop in football, unlike some of these other sports. It's almost like a baseball pitcher. Like, he used to throw 95, now he's throwing 92, and all of a sudden he's throwing 85. You're like, he's shot.
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John Middlekauff
Well, I remember Kurt Schilling telling me he would at the end of his career. He goes, I got 12 fastball, I got 12 mid-90s, and I'm going to use them, you know, against the three hitter or a man on. And I think it's the same thing as for the older pass rushers. They know when the red light, it's go time. But it's. They're not giving you. I mean it's just a different. But they're not giving you. In week four against Carolina first quarter, it doesn't feel the same as it does against the Ravens in the fourth quarter overtime.
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Colin Cowherd
To me, if you are going to entertain moving a guy like TJ Watt or if the Cowboys with Micah Parsons, you have to do it before the draft. Because I remember when Gruden did it, he got off to such a shitty start because he traded Khalil Mack a week before the season. Those two first round picks that the Bears gave don't give you any help those 16, 17 games. So it feels like what are we doing? So they are in a position where I don't think they have a choice. I, I think he's. You almost have to pay him and that's, that's risky business. But I'd argue trading for DK Metcalf, you know, when your quarterback's about to be Aaron Rodgers, who's going to play one more season is not good. That to me is the craziest thing they've done this season. In what world are the Pittsburgh Steelers in the DK Metcalf market and giving him a third contract? I thought that was. I get Aaron Rodgers, they don't have any other choice. But the DK Metcalf, that's who you're going to give an enormous contract to, is battling injuries and had some personal foul issues with Pete Carroll.
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John Middlekauff
So they move off a high maintenance sideline receiver with a big personality and, and they acquire one. So it's like Omar Khan was kind of. I don't get a pattern. If you move off one that's good. Yeah, you can go get another receiver. It wouldn't have been DK Metcalf. Then they move off a guy who's a little past his prime, good player Minka, Fitzpatrick getting expensive. And then they bring in another defensive back who's more expensive past his prime. So I don't see a plan. It feels like they're just making moves to make moves. He got an extension, he's fine. But I do feel like there's a lot of people in the Pittsburgh building. They remind me a little bit of a better roster, but they feel a little bit like the Dallas Cowboys where I think they need new eyes in the building. The Lakers just sold all sorts of new eyes and opinions in the building, the Cowboys to me and the Steelers, it's very insular. You know, they're, they're, you know, I can respect the brand, I can respect Tomlin, but when you lead the NFL as it's pivoted clearly to offense, if you leave the NFL for four straight years in defensive spending, that means Tomlin's not getting enough pushback in that building. You know, he's not getting enough no's in that building because you can't spend money like that and win Super Bowls in 2025.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I do think there's actually some parallels the last couple years with the Lakers to the Steelers, where when LeBron still had some juice, he did, he was just living year to year, do whatever it takes. And, and that can really bite you. For the first time, it felt like over the last 12 months, the Lakers like LeBron, we're not doing crazy things with these late first round picks at the end of the decade. Like I'm sorry, the Steelers think about last year, it's like, well, we got to try to win the Russell Wilson, Justin Fields. We'll just do this little quarterback cocktail and see what works out this year. It's like Aaron Rodgers, 41. It's like, this is not going to work out, guys. I mean, you know the same thing over and over. The problem with doing it this way, at least with Kenny Pickett, you swing for the fences. Doesn't work out. People like, we understand if this gets ugly, it could get really ugly. I mean, what would you put the percentage chance that how many 41 year olds don't get hurt in NFL history? I would say it's a pretty small list. You know, Brady, if you're comparing Brady to think about some of his contemporaries now. They had physical ailments. Breeze's shoulder, Rod Roethlisberger shoulder, Peyton Manning. That last year Elway had to say like, we're going to give you a month off. Remember it was like November, they're like, you're just sit for a month. And Osweiler came in the year they won the Super Bowl. The difference with Rogers, his arm still works, but like he can't get away as fast. All of a sudden you turn the corner and some dude on the Ravens breaks a bone and you're just out roll an ankle. Well, used to I wasn't going to miss a game because I was 30 years old. Now it's a little harder at 40. It's harder for older players in other positions, let alone the quarterback. It's the only time of the year in those 17 games when they can actually hit you. And one thing we noticed last year is he'd have to hit the ground because I'm not comfortable enough running away from these guys because I'm not as fast and especially off this Achilles injury. Well, you think he's going to be faster this year? No, he's diminishing athlete. I just. If I was a betting man, are they more likely to have Rogers play 17 games and win 10 or 11? And we're like by mid season it's like, I don't think Roger's gonna make it through this season. Feels like that. If you just based on the history of sports, older guys usually get banged up.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I, I don't. I just think when I, I kind of look at the league, especially the afc and the last two years I've been pretty successful predicting the afc, just who are the best coaches. And I mean you give me Bo Nicks and you give me Sean Payton. Now the rookie season's done. It's gonna be a good football team. Led the NFL and sacks last year, upgraded their defense. Denver's going to be a good team.
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Colin Cowherd
I think they got a chance to be really. I think they got a chance to be really good. If Bo Nicks takes a big step, I mean they have the top defense in the league. Why couldn't they win 12, 13 games?
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John Middlekauff
I feel, I think I talked about this too, John. I. Last year was the first time in my life that the NFL felt a little like the NBA where there were about eight teams at the bottom that could not compete. The bottom last year was big. And I think this is the result of 10 years of the ascension of importance for quarterback and offensive players is that there is one way to win in this league now, mostly a really high end coach, preferably on offense and a really good quarterback with at least B2B plus protection, good solid protection. Those teams are winning the division. That's why the AFC is so easy to predict every year because it's if Joe Burrow had predicted. They're one of the harder teams to predict because they have such cheap ownership, mediocre front office and battle lines with Burrow. So Cincinnati's always like, yeah, I know Burrow's great, but you know, Hendrickson's a circus. The ownership. But I think if you start looking around this league, the NBA's always had like eight teams that are unwatchable, like just can't compete. And I think Washington was getting to that. Like I can't watch Washington play Jaden Daniels. One player, forget Dan Quinn. And Cliff Kingsbury, Jaden Daniels made them. Must watch television. It's like, wow, C.J. stroud, Houston nothing against Dimiko Ryan's. C.J. stroud's like, oh, Houston's on. All right. Tank Dell. Okay, now we got offensive guys. Laramie Tunsall at the time was there. Okay, let's go. And so I think, I think the NFL in my opinion is getting easier to predict. Like, like Dallas don't have a good enough coaching staff, don't have a good enough roster. Two star quarterbacks in the division. Dallas is not a playoff team. That's an easy one. I think one of the hardest teams in the league. You're going, you're convincing me is Green Bay. Because I used to make fun of the Packers. I'm like, three years, I have more footage of the Loch Ness Monster than Jordan Love. They're hiding him and then he comes out for about eight games. I'm like, holy, Jordan Love's got a whip. This kid's good. And then last year he struggled, but I think a lot of it was injuries. Green Bay is one of the only teams in the league that if you told me they finished third or first and there's Denver, I'm with you. I think Denver's. If they do finish third, they're a playoff team, but they could finish. They could win the division. I. Absolutely. Green Bay's one of the only teams. I'm like, I like them. But I think the NFC over a kind of a three year old when the quarterbacks were getting old, there's about a three year window where Dallas is winning more games that they would not have won in the afc. I don't. I think the NFC has taken a couple leaps here in this past year. I don't know what to do with Green Bay, but everybody else I kind of have a vibe on.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think their teams from like 1 to 8 are better. Their quarterback situation, I mean, the stars play in the other conference now. If Jalen Hurts can back up that season, if golf can stay healthy, if Purdy can have a good year, obviously Jordan love Baker Mayfield. It's not like there's not star power there. Can Sam Darnold throw 35 touchdowns in Seattle? Matt Stafford still plays. So it's not like they actually lack. They just don't have, you know, what looks like to be four hall of Famers in. In. Stafford probably will end up getting in if he plays a couple more years. I. One thing that's changed dramatically though, and this is an advantage to Green Bay and depending on the cycle of your team. It's not like I had a guy in the league tell me this probably a year ago. He's like, the players and the agents have a little more juice now because there's so much more money. It's not quite the NBA, but there's some middle ground. It's not like what the. There used to be like one holdout every couple years, definitely in the 90s and maybe the early 2000s. And it would be a prominent EM Smith, you know, someone just a superstar. Now like half the league has like three guys. They're like, I'm not showing up training camp unless Juwan Jennings was like, I'm making seven and a half, half. I need like $25 million. And then obviously the, the Minka or the TJ Watt, the Micah Parsons, like they're guys, Trey Hendricks, guys all over the league. The second round, have you been following the story on the second round picks? It's like they're all two guys. There have been two of the, whatever, 32 have signed contracts. Those two got their contract fully guaranteed. No one else is signed because forever it was like the first round picks. You know, the fifth year option is. We don't know if that's going to get picked up or not. But your first four years are guaranteed. Well, second rounders, like, you notice if a guy sucked it within a couple years, they were cut or traded or like whatever, get rid of them. We're usually a first round pick. Even if I don't pick up his fifth year option, more than likely he's going to play out those first four years on my team because I'm paying him where these agents now are like, why you drafted me? 40th overall. I want my entire contract guaranteed. And there's just so much. I mean, everyone's kind of anointing the NFL how much money they're making. How much money? Well, the more you get that like in any industry, people, people got their hands in the cookie jar and want their money. So it's one thing the stars want their money, the mid tier guys want their money. The agents are all involved. It's gonna be fascinating to watch. In basketball, they just kind of capitulated to like if you're just an average star, here's $250 million. Chet Holmer in average is like 15 and 8. He weighs like 130 pounds. They gave him $250 million. It's like he couldn't, he couldn't have gotten 140. It's it's crazy. The NFL has always battled back against that, right?
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John Middlekauff
They've always.
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Colin Cowherd
He's. Even when you're Aaron Donald or Patrick Mahomes, like you typically have to. Lamar Jackson took about five years arguing for his money. It's kind of going the other way where it's like T.J. watts, like, what are you going to do, Play without me? I doubt you will. And he knows that, like, these teams have the money now. So it's, it's, it's shifting a little bit. And I do think the next five years, as this money continues to flow, it's going to get uglier. The packers are a good example. They don't really have anyone that's arguing because they got no one to pay. Hey, where the Niners got Juwan Jennings, who's their. Two years ago. He's like the fourth wide receiver. He's like, I'm not showing up until you either trade me or pay me. It's like, oh, but he's not alone. I mean, this happens all over the league now. So I think sometimes when you have a situation. Remember Chris Jones, was it two years ago, first game of the season. He's sitting with those two agents that look like they were in good fellas. He's just watching the game, you know, from the stands. So it's like these players now that there's so much money on the line. Line.
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John Middlekauff
Well, also, John, because there is one way to win now, mostly offensive coaches and a star quarterback. Well, that also has put a premium on. I mean, we always knew left tackles mattered. Centers who call all the protections matter. But. And wide receivers mattered. But now because of the value of the quarterback, centers, left tackles, weapons. I mean, Saquon Barkley, everybody was crying that running backs won't get paid. Well, if you have a young quarterback, you need to have a running back. Like, you need a running back. So I think, I think what's. I think what's happened in football, it's been. There's more winners and losers. Like, you're seeing a little bit of a reemergence of safeties. And some of these young coaches, like safeties, linebackers, is still, you know, I mean, but look, Sean Payton's out off a serious injury. Give me Dre Greenlaw. So I think what's happening is as football doesn't have the analytics of basketball or baseball, nor does soccer, but I do think there are premium positions now. I think you have to be really good at about six spots. Coach, quarterback, left tackle, defensive, interior or pass Rusher, two weapons, not just one. And preferably somebody in that secondary that is a playmaker, somebody that you can lock on. And as the money pours in, it feels like the previous CBA and the NBA where guys like LeBron made more and then the bottom didn't make nearly as much as you thought they. I think what's happening with CBAs, I'm seeing this with networks, I'm seeing this with a lot of industries. In tech, there's a wide gap in the NFL and if you're in that have position that you help the quarterback or pursue the other team's quarterback, there's some NBA money now coming forward.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, if Juwan Jennings asked me for advice, I'd go, juwan, you are 80 catches away. So back to back years of being really productive to hitting free agency. Because the Niners, it's not like they're going to, you know, look at guys, when they hit free agency, they get 50% over what they should get. You might get 60, $70 million guaranteed because Jamar Chase and CD Lamb and none of those type guys ever sniff free agency. You might be the apple of everyone's eye. You might be the best wide receiver. So you just got to make it to there. Look at Kirk Cousins, you know, so I. The other thing is offensive linemen, you know, guards, I used to think they were the most when I worked in the NFL. Like you can find a guard or center anywhere. Half the guards make like $20 million now because in fairness, most teams have a pretty good interior pass rusher. And like you said, right. It went forever. It's like, well, we need a left tackle because we had to protect Joe Montana from Lawrence Taylor. Well, now it's like, well, who's going to block Jalen Carter? Because if you just throw some average guard or center, you're going to get the quarterback killed. Look at Caleb Williams last year, their interior offensive. He had no shot, right? So it's like you have to have a good. It's why, you know, the haves and the have nots, even Patrick Mahomes, they got lucky. He can kind of. He has great instincts and can scramble away from trouble. But like, like if you cannot block the inside at offensive line now you are getting destroyed. Before guards and centers were like, they were viewed to me as the most replaceable guy in the league. And they are not anymore.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, so I mean it's. Listen, we camp start here. What's the date today so that we're doing this on the. Was it 13th? What is the date today, 14th. So camp start next. Is it officially?
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Colin Cowherd
I think every team's a little, you know, a lot of teams have rookies show up sometime this week, and a lot of the veterans typically, typically early 20s. I always look at it. By the end of July, everyone will be on a field with pads on by probably the latest July 31st or August 1st. So we're still probably, you know, two weeks away from actual football being played, but we'll be an OTA version here in probably 10 days. But to me, that first day, every team is in pads. That's when you get real stuff going on and, you know, find out who can play. Because right now, half the league is pretty excited about 4th rounders, 6 rounders, 3rd rounders, and then those pads come on and that guy, you know, within a couple of days, like, whoa, we might need to trade for a backup tight end because this guy's a little overwhelmed.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, it's, I am. It was funny. When I was on vacation, I was, I did, I stay off my phone mostly, but I'd get the iPad and I, I do a lot of reading on vacation books. Anything I don't want to post, I don't want to, you know, I have no, I was on the phone one day for about 10 minutes, and I'm like, I don't care about Bitcoin or the Epstein files. This is no place for me over the next 10 days. So I'm out. But it's interesting that, you know, as I'm, you know, reading all this stuff on the NFL is that I used to feel, I really did. I think there was a part in my career about six years ago, I felt like NFL season and waiting for NFL season. But I think there's two or three things in sports that have happened that I sat and watched. I mean, dude, did you ever think you would care about the wnba? Caitlin Clark was on last week, and I'm like, the television. I want to watch her. I, I, I'll be honest with you. I was just about done with college basketball, and it pulled me back in this year. But as I was reading all this stuff about, you know, the upcoming football season, I want to ask you a question about college football. We'll end it with this. So if I said using last five years as momentum, what is your high school recruiting base and your nil commitment and what is your coaching staff like? So the four things, what's your current productivity and momentum for five years? I'm going to give you five years. Your high school recruiting still has to be elite and your nil commitment has to be big boy. Like, that's what separates Oregon and Washington. Oregon's all in on it. Washington's reluctant, USC's all in. UCLA is limited and reluctant. And the coaching staff. So I came up with my take on over the last five years. Now Michigan's the hardest because I'm so much of. It's Harbaugh. But I thought the top five programs in college football right now for the last five years and the direction they're going because Alabama is having nil problems and this Kalyn DeBoer is a great coach, but they haven't felt the same. I'd say Ohio State 1, Georgia 2, Texas 3, Oregon 4, Notre Dame 5. And then Michigan, Penn State. I don't quite know what to do with Michigan because it's all Jim Harbaugh. That was kind of my six or seven. So again, Ohio State, Georgia. I had Alabama. Let's see, Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame, Bama. Then I, then I had Michigan, Penn State. My first take is, oh, shit, I got more Big Ten teams than SEC teams or 3 and 3. So if I said to you, give me your top six or seven based on staff, nil, high school recruiting, five year momentum. Where are you?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think Ohio State, Georgia and Texas have kind of separated. Like, if you just had to bet on those three programs over the next five years, you would feel really, really confident. I think Notre Dame, and maybe they've loosened up. The academic requirements can be very dependent. Like, is it a good couple years of high level smart guys who are great players coming out? Because if it is, whoever's on top, Stanford, Notre Dame, Northwestern can take advantage of that little stretch. And Notre Dame, it feels like recruiting really well. So I think there's a chance they would be in that mix too. I think Texas has the greatest opportunity to like, they could have. Like, especially if Arch lives up to the hype, which I saw. I don't know if you saw, like Roger's brother said today that the hype train's out of control. And I, I would almost agree a little bit. It's. Yeah, it's. It. We've. He's almost treated like LeBron was at St. Vincent's or Bryce Harper was in high school. On this front of sports, it's. This is really, really hard. Usually when you get the hype behind you, it's after you play like Andrew Locker, Trevor Lawrence or Caleb, like you, you, you know, Baker Mayfield, like you've played a season, everyone's like this guy's incredible and he's already treated like he's going to be the greatest, better than his uncle. And it's going to be hard, especially in that conference. But if he does live up to the hype, they're going to be an unstoppable force because of the money behind them. I do think the one, you know Oregon as well, right? They have a financial ability, I would say a recruiting advantage on the west coast with some of these, the PAC 12 splintering, you know, DeBoer leaving, you know, Jed's good but DeBoer had proven to be pretty elite. A lot of pressure on Jed this year. This year USC just had a weird couple years that Oregon's benefited from. Obviously, you know, Bilater used to have to recruit against UCLA as well. And it's like it wouldn't even be if you went into a kid's home in la, you're going to go to Oregon or ucla. I mean the kid wouldn't even hesitate to be a planet Oregon because it's just way better football program. I do think the SEC is fascinating how it's going to play out the LSU's, the, the Alabamas, like financially, can they keep up at the level? I was watching something recently where he thought the firing of coaches, which got really popular over the last decade because people would just, I buy this guy out for 30 million, is that dead because of how much you're paying the players? Like I, because I thought like, hey, if Caleb DeBoer just has a weird year and won like eight games, would he his buyout $75 million.
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John Middlekauff
Well, Lincoln Riley, people ask me about Lincoln Riley and I'm like, like I've told people I think they're going to win eight games this year. They have one elite player. He's probably a top of the second round, mid second round player. Kamari Ramsey, the safety from ucla, really good player. He'll, he'll be a probably a second round pick.
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Colin Cowherd
Who's their quarterback?
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John Middlekauff
It's the only time in Lincoln Riley's career I don't like their quarterback situation at all. The most talented kids, a true freshman. He's not going to go in the Big Ten and spin it and be dominant. And the kid that's starting Lincoln likes him more than I do. The UNLV kid, I think, you know, I think he's a gamer, but his judgment, he just makes too many mistakes for me and Lincoln doesn't like that. So you know, I, I tell people USC is doing a lot of things, right? But you can't fire him and you can't fire like lsu. Basically, Brian Kelly had to basically say, I'll give you a salary.
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Colin Cowherd
We have to start paying hours.
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John Middlekauff
And for the record, Alabama's been public with it. They're asking fans to give 1000 1500. So where the nil has changed, college basketball is our system. Our capitalistic system trumps Europe. So our universities are buying Europe's best 16 and 17 and 18 year olds. Right? Or 17 and 18 year olds. It's really hurt like the Spanish leagues and in football it's hurt the south. The Big Ten has massive universities. 40,000 students, 50,000. They become graduates. They run companies, they give money back to the school. It's much easier to tap into Ohio State's fan base or Michigan's fan base or Notre Dame's fan base and ask for 10,000, $30,000 from graduates. Now Notre Dame's private. But a lot of these Big Ten schools are massive. SEC doesn't have as many of those. And so I think what you're seeing, the reality is if everybody's allowed to pay, usc, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State's got big time money. I think there's a reality as the SEC is looking up at some of these numbers outside of Georgia and Texas and they don't have the funds. Funds.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, have you followed the Texas Tech story? The former player, that's the billionaire that's funding their program. They had the number two transfer portal class in this upcoming season. Every one of the Big 12 media days, Kenny Dillingham Dion was like, guys, this team is on paper the best team in the conference. They bought the team. I mean, I believe the word recruiting. I remember like when I was in college, Ed was huge with Pete at Scott Tosh Lupoi remember Tedford was. There were some big time recruiters. Saban had a couple when he took over. Urban had a couple. And it was a big deal. You'd sit out of someone's home, you'd get to know the player, their high school coach, their parents. That doesn't exist anymore.
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John Middlekauff
Kids.
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Colin Cowherd
There's no recruit is who pays you. Right? I mean, that's Lane Kiffin's been saying this for like three years. This is a black and white business now. There's no he likes me more than this next guy. If that guy's offering 400 grand and we're offering 150, I don't care that his mom likes me. He always goes, it's very rare that we've seen like Ashton Genty stay at Boise State when even the coach was like, he turned down a lot of money to stay here. Those days are done. So when I see Texas Tech and they have this billionaire, if you told me Oklahoma State and T. Boone Pickens who's passed away, it was 30 years ago, I'd be like, it's a huge advantage having T. Boone Pickens Oklahoma State. But it changed. He passed away. The Nike dynasty and that operation still operating, Phil's still around. If he passes away, I would just say you never know.
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John Middlekauff
Well, all you could do in the Phil Knight era was build the best facilities. Yeah, and those were impressive. But let me tell you something. Having a nice locker and having $25,000 in your pocket, what are you going to choose?
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Colin Cowherd
But here's the thing. And even, I mean we're brown bagging kids. I mean we're talking 20 grand, right? 30 grand. Now we are talking hundreds. I'm not even talking the quarterbacks, which is clearly in the millions. Just a solid recruit by cost you several hundreds of thousands of dollars. I know someone who has a rental property in a college town that rented their house to a rotational defensive lineman for that Division 1 football team. And obviously you see the, their income and he was like, this guy is making hundreds of thousands of dollars. This guy is not some lock draft pick. This is a rotational transfer portal guy that got paid several hundred thousand dollars and a program that I would say is not giving away money. So when you're talking the Georgia's, the Ohio states, sometimes I think people think like they're not really 20, $30 million payrolls. No, guys, this is, I'm telling you, my scouting buddies say they go to these schools and their, their player parking lots are as nice, if not nicer because some of these guys are, you know, they don't even realize in some of these Mercedes dealerships than the, their NFL teams and they drive nicer cars than the coaches. You know, there's only a couple coaches on staff now that make more than if you have a star quarterback. So how do you handle that dynamic? The other thing is, and I think about this a lot too, like the college football I grew up on, let's use Matt Leiner as an example, played at USC for five years. His relationships with his teammates, you know, he lived in a small apartment I'm sure for several years. Even as they kind of grew in popularity. His lifestyle wasn't anything near like Caleb Williams. But his relationships with that team, by their last couple years playing together, these Guys have practiced together, they know each other, they know each other's family. They have a strong build or built relationship. Right. Like Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, Mahomes. These guys know each other really, really well. Those days are done. Guys are moving left and right. You barely know. This is still football in that game. When it's tight game and you're playing, you know, in a cold environment, if you're USC and you're playing at Penn State and it's November 1st, you're like, do you even know the guy next to you? That's that part of football. And I think the basketball's really shown this. Like, basketball is a lot like football that way where chemistry, cohesion matters and these guys jump around teams. It's like, it's hard to build that chemistry and that cohesion and that, you know, in a weird way, like love of the other guy. Like I'm fighting for this guy as much as the coach. So you just kind of never know. Now like you said, Georgia Tech, they have the best rosters, but I don't think you can just chalk one of those up. Like Ohio State got hot at the right time and they went want it but they folded against Michigan and they, they actually had a lot of guys coming back. So some of these teams, these transfer, like lsu, top transfer portal team, you convinced me. If it all comes together, they win 12 games. I wouldn't be shocked if they won eight. I don't know.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I think the transfer portal, LSU, Colorado and USC have used it a lot and all of them have lacked a certain chemistry in bigger spots. I think you have to have discretion. I, I still think you should be a 75%. I, I wouldn't go as dire as Clemson, which is like anti portal, but I'd be like 75% recruiting. I think if you can bring in again, you need a left guard, you need to, you know, you need an interior defensive tackle. I, I would look, I would try to find like five to six starters a year, but I don't want 10. I don't want, I think that's, that's.
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Colin Cowherd
Easy to say though. But what if you don't have the best recruits and all of a sudden you look like we can get these three guys that are immediately better and there's so much money on the line, it's hard to say no. If the transfer portal wouldn't. You just see the ability to improve.
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John Middlekauff
I think for certain positions like quarterback or elite corner or like just elite interior defensive linemen. But I think again, I think there's running backs and why. I mean, like, USC should never pay wide receivers. I'm sorry, it's Southern California. I don't, I don't want you paying wide receivers to do. Dude, you got. There's 30 a year in Southern California. I don't want USC paying big money for safeties, linebackers, corners. There's just too much talent here. Quarterback, you're going to have to pay. But it's funny because I had a discussion with somebody at USC and I said, you know, you're paying positions that you should never pay at usc, you should not pay for. Now, if you need a sixth wide receiver from Boise State, you can't be paying wide receivers at usc. It would be, you know, to me, it's like paying for running backs at Georgia, the state of Florida and Georgia. I mean, again, maybe you pay a little bit to. If you need, like, a starter, but there are certain regions of the country that just produce certain players. And it's so. I don't know. I'm. I think you create this weird ecosystem when you got nine guys driving and bends. I. It's. I don't know. I don't love. I. I'm not against players making a lot of money, but I think I've watched LSU and USC and Colorado really divide. Like, the room is like, rich guy, not rich guy. And it's. To me, it feels weird over the course of a season. Do you alienate players?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the other thing is, what I've heard stories, you know, from my scouting buddies is like, the star quarterback. Think about it. There's a lot of star quarterbacks, but only a small percentage of them we would consider really good players, live in this really expensive house a lot of times, like, by themselves. So historically, everyone had roommates on the team. Those days are kind of done because all these guys are so rich. It's like, why wouldn't I just rent a huge house by myself? I don't need to have any roommates. So that creates a divide of just the human element of, of These guys are 18, 19, 20 years old. There's resentment in the NFL. You don't think there's going to become resentments, like, wait, we're paying this guy this much? I've been on the program for three years. He's making quadruple what I'm making. And I watch him in these games. He folds like a tent. So I, I think it is a really, really big challenge in college football to that. That dynamic of the wealth gap. And we talk about the wealth gap a lot in society. You talk about college football. I mean, all these guys. Guys. Because the other thing is, if you're young, you're going to open your mouth and say what you're making, kind of show off. Everyone in that locker room knows who's making what.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah. And then, like, you can say, well, it exists in pro sports, but there's a hierarchy to it. I think it's weird to just all of a sudden you have a receiver and you go buy a wide receiver from Louisville, and now he makes more than like, your junior who had 82 catches last year. It's like, that's weird. That's a weird vibe in a locker room. That's why I think in the NFL, John, free agency discretion is maybe the most. Chris Ballard said this before, don't go shopping the first two days. Wait till the third, the fourth day. Seek value. I think you create weird dynamics on a college campus. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula formula, and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does, because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition, and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back, and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target, and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart Target and try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself. All right, finally, John Rom finished second. Spain, the live golf tour. Now we go to the British Open. What's your vibe going into it?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's Rory's hometown, so it's, you.
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John Middlekauff
Know, I'm so fired up.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's, you know, he. He played well last week at the Scottish Open. To me, though, I. I think Royer John Rahm is tournament John. John Rom. You know, last year, obviously, he made the transition to live. You know, I think it was a tough transition for him. I Think this year he's really gained his footing. He, he easily could have won the pga. He was essentially tied for the lead with Scotty, and he kind of fell apart the last couple holes, but it was like, this is the John Rahm who has won the US Open and won the Masters. He's got a lot of momentum. Obviously, Spain's a home game for him, but I think John Rom, I mean, this tournament is always unique, right? It's on early in the morning. The weather, it's 50 mile an hour winds, it's rain. It's just, you know, in the history of golf, the best players have won this tournament, and it's one on John Rom's resume. Like, I think when it's all said and done, if you tell me Scotty Scheffler and John Rahm are the two guys of this era after Rory, that win the Grand Slam, mean win every major. Like, I could see that. And you know, Scotty has not played well. Well, across the pond, a lot more variables, right? Wind. It's not a Bryson event either, you know, scientific. You got wind. He can't. He can't. The greens are a little slower, you got rain, the ball's a little weird. You know, Rom is one of those guys that would have succeeded in the 60s, in the 90s. Right now he could play in any era. I, I think Rom, you could argue is. I, I think Rory is right. He's not technically the betting favorite, Scotty is. But I, if, if I had to handicap this, I would have. Have John Rom right there with Rory. I'm gonna bet on John Rom this week for sure.
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John Middlekauff
Well, and as money has increased over the last, you know, since Tiger woods, you know, people are kind of mystified what's going on with Rory McElroy, but he was on a hunting mission for Augusta for 15 years. He got it. And I think there was a wake. I think there was just this wake of emotion, and he kind of acknowledged it. It's hard to get a up and spend three hours in the sun in the late spring and the summer grinding. At golf, you win Augusta, you want time off. I think this from the Augusta win until this week, playing on his home course overseas, I think everything else in between that is a blur. I think at this point in his career, it's big game hunting. He is going for the biggest. And I think you're allowed to do that. I mean, and then you add that when guys took the money for Liv, which I always respected, I was like, hey, you know, I Got no problem with guys doing that. The PGA doesn't run the Masters. It doesn't run the US Open. It doesn't run the British. I'm not loyal to the pga. I'm loyal to golfers. I'm loyal to Brooks Koepka or Phil Mickelson or Rory McElroy. And my take is that the finances of golf, from Tiger to the live tour, have changed and guys are making choices. It's like stars don't want to play in the Pro Bowl. In the NFL, stars make choices. You don't find Christian Pulisic wants. Doesn't want to play in the Gold Cup. LeBron doesn't want to play in the FIBA World Cup. That's the reality of sports now in the last 10 to 15 years.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think, you know, Rom is a good example. Over the last couple of years, Scotty had this Tiger, like, season. Rory now wins the Masters. He's anointed as, like, the, you know, one of the great players of all time. And it was like Rom got lost in the shuffle a couple of years ago. It was like, this guy's the chubby Sevy Ballesteros. This guy's going to win a bunch of majors. He's going to be. And then he kind of didn't have a great major season two years ago. This year already back to back top 10 in the US Open, in the PGA. And to me, he, you know, international players, a Ryder cup guy used to play. And I mean, grew up, did not grow up in the States. I think those. Sometimes those guys have an advantage of. We get spoiled over here. I mean, all golf courses. You were just playing at a golf course. I'm sure it was well kept. You know, Scotty. Scotty's over there at the Scottish Open complaining about the green speeds, like, yeah, Scotty, the grass isn't perfect over here. It's 50 degrees, 10 months of year, year. This is. This isn't Dallas, Texas, Perfectly manicured Bermuda, you know, so those guys typically, to me are a little more. It's what made Tiger pretty special. You could put them anywhere. You can put them in the greatest course. Greatest manicured course, Augusta. You could throw him in Asia and he'd be ready to kick ass and take names. A lot of people thought that Rom had that kind of edge to him. Unless it go to live. Threw him off a little bit. I think he's coming. I think it's him and Rory this week. I like those two guys a lot.
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John Middlekauff
I can't wait. It's gonna be I thought, I thought that Sunday at Augusta with Rory was a top 10. I mean, that's how strongly I felt. That was a top 10 TV moment for me. If you could, if you could, you know, and, and by the way, Tiger Rocco mediate US Open also quality, hard to beat, but there have been two or three iconic, I'd say, I'd say.
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Colin Cowherd
The Faldo melt or the Norman meltdown down Vanderbilt, late 90s meltdown, British Open. But he wasn't a famous guy. It was just such a historic, I would say tigers 2019. You know, that long stretch he had winning, that was pretty cool. But I would say the Rory moment, the build up that I would say the golf splintering, right? So he and he became such a famous guy versus this kind of crew. But I, I think that these majors now feel they feel ample up, right? They feel on a different level. They've always been bigger. Makes them big. But, you know, I think this thing is going to be really, really big this week, especially for the most part. We have had huge names win recently, right? Rory's the Brysons, right? Scotty's Rom like this isn't the little engine that could ain't coming around anymore. So it's, I would expect the big boys and like I think, I think Rom 12 to 1 when you're talking Scotty and Roy are both 6, 7 to 1. I mean it's pretty good value.
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John Middlekauff
All right. John Middelkoff, former NFL Scout 3 announces podcast we chopped it up for an hour. Good stuff, buddy.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks, Kellen.
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Angela Rye
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Katie Couric
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Angela Rye
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