Colin Cowherd Podcast - Were Expectations Too High For Arch Manning? Bryce Underwood A “Generational” Talent? Rude Awakening For Bill Belichick, Miami A Title Contender?

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Colin Cowherd Podcast

Were Expectations Too High For Arch Manning? Bryce Underwood a “Generational” Talent? Rude Awakening For Bill Belichick, Miami a Title Contender?

Date: September 4, 2025
Guests: Josh Pate (The Volume), Noah (co-host)

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Colin Cowherd and college football analyst Josh Pate take a deep dive into the current state of college football’s top storylines: the immense expectations placed on Arch Manning, Bryce Underwood’s rapid rise as a generational talent, skepticism over Bill Belichick’s college transition, Miami’s resurgence as a title contender, and broader questions about culture and fit among coaching greats. Throughout, the conversation is sharp, candid, and focused on big-picture insights, with memorable comparisons, recruiting talk, and real talk about coaching dynamics in modern football.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Arch Manning’s Tough Debut: Overblown Expectations?

• Discussion Begins: [02:30]
• Colin’s Take: Once college athletes start making millions, scrutiny intensifies. Colin didn’t buy that Arch’s shaky opener was just jitters; the mistakes—especially the awkward rollout (!skip pass 8 yards shy!)—pointed to deeper concerns in real-time performance, not just nerves.
  • Quote: “When he first rolled out to the right and skipped that thing about 8 yards shy, that was more the nerves…It was kind of jarring, was it not?” – Colin Cowherd [03:43]
• Josh Pate’s Perspective: The expectations for Arch were never grounded in reality for Texas insiders—media did “the Heisman thing,” but Texas coaches just hoped he'd be solid as a first-year starter. It’s not his job to carry the roster; ample talent around allows him to play steady, not heroic.
  • Quote: “He’s going to be a pretty good quarterback this year. And anything above and beyond that, great. But it’s Texas. You don’t have to carry them…” – Josh Pate [05:44]

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2. Bryce Underwood: A True “Generational” Talent?

• Discussion Begins: [06:40]
• First Impressions: Noah is wowed by Underwood’s high school tape and first game at Michigan—immediate, palpable star power. Colin and Josh agree he looks different from day one.
  • Quote: “My first glances at Bryce Underwood…that’s like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that is magic.” – Noah [06:40]
• Josh Pate’s Evaluation: The “G word” (generational) isn’t used lightly—Underwood genuinely earns it. Even Michigan’s lack of receivers can’t dull his impact. The Wolverines are positioned to be a portal magnet for top WRs, with 2026 pegged as their real title window.
  • Quote: “I do not throw around the G word. Okay? Generational. That one’s just different. Go watch him.” – Josh Pate [07:45]
  • “Michigan 2025 through a 2026 prism...that’s when they’re right in the national championship conversation.” – Josh Pate [09:17]

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3. Bill Belichick’s “Rude Awakening” at Carolina

• Discussion Begins: [10:00]
• Colin’s Critique: Skeptical about Belichick’s fit as a college talent-acquirer, especially in the transfer portal era. NFL drafting woes extended to college evaluation; can he really compete in recruiting wars with the likes of Saban and Cristobal?
  • Quote: “Why should I trust him in the transfer portal? I didn’t like him drafting college kids.” – Colin Cowherd [10:56]
• Josh Pate’s Analysis: Most of the hype for Belichick at Carolina was based on schedule—not talent. The staff lacks experience in recruiting and portal management; expectations for major improvement are misplaced.
  • Quote: “If that’s your expectation for him, you’re in for a very rude awakening, and so is the rest of America.” – Josh Pate [12:28]
  • “They don’t know how to do it, man. And it’s no knock on them. They’ve never had to do it…College football will teach him 10 times more than he’s about to teach college football.” – Josh Pate [16:18]

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4. The Unique Demands of College Coaching: Personality, Recruiting, and Fit

• Discussion Begins: [14:40]
• Salesmanship: In college, coaches must be recruiters and schemers—but seldom both. Saban, Smart, Lanning, and others have that dual skillset; Belichick’s personality, like Charlie Weis, raises doubt about sustained recruiting prowess.
  • Quote: “In pro football, you draft the player. In college football, the player selects you…These guys are salesmen.” – Noah [14:43]
  • “When you get to the higher portion of the college football pyramid…some have both.” – Josh Pate [16:39]

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5. Can Kaylen DeBoer (Alabama) Succeed Saban?

• Discussion Begins: [18:00]
• Personality Fit: Concern over whether DeBoer’s laid-back style will mesh in Alabama's pressure-cooker. While competitive, he’s calmer than Saban—but inherits a stocked cupboard.
  • Quote: “He may have a different personality than Saban, but please, like anyone watching, make no mistake, when you open the hood on him is every bit as competitive.” – Josh Pate [20:15]
• Shock Loss: The Florida State loss was a wake-up call. Despite physical, intense practices, the team looked timid and unprepared on game day. The problems are many—and not quick fixes.
  • Quote: “It was so jarring…guys looked slow, guys looked timid, guys didn’t look physical, didn’t look tough. And it was so jarring because I know my eyes didn’t lie to me.” – Josh Pate [22:13]
  • “You cannot in any circumstance have what happened against Florida State.” – Josh Pate [22:47]
  • “Even if they do rebound…that Florida State game happened once. That’s in the cake. It’s baked in there.” – Josh Pate [24:42]

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6. Miami: From Glamor to Grit—A Legitimate Title Contender?

• Discussion Begins: [31:20]
• Glamour Programs: USC, Texas, Miami are essential for college football’s national appeal; when Miami is good, the sport is more exciting.
  • Quote: “There’s three glamour programs in the country. USC, Texas and Miami. Doesn’t mean they’re the best, but they’re glamour programs. They’re sex appeal.” – Colin [33:23]
• Cristobal’s Build: Offensive line is Miami’s identity, with blue-chip JUCO and portal additions fortified. Focus has shifted to portal-built secondary; early signs are positive, but trust must be earned with consistency.
  • Quote: “They have built that offensive line the way that you would expect Mario Cristobal to build an offensive line.” – Josh Pate [34:36]
  • “If that secondary is even just a net neutral…there’s no limit to what we can do this year.” – Josh Pate [35:44]
• Caution: Past late-game blunders (clock management, situational inconsistencies) mean Miami must show they can deliver under pressure.
  • “It is trust but verify with Miami. But if they are back…ACC is about to have the volume turned up on it really quick.” – Josh Pate [36:56]

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7. USC Under Lincoln Riley: Can Talent and Culture Coexist?

• Discussion Begins: [38:23]
• Recruiting Focus: Riley’s renewed in-state recruiting is a game-changer—locking down California talent is vital for program stability. Culture, however, remains in question.
  • Quote: “I don’t know if Lincoln Riley can create a culture. I know he can coach.” – Colin [39:09]
• Culture vs. Schematics: Riley’s record of close losses and inability to impose physical will is more concerning than his playcalling. The key litmus test? Winning cold, physical games at places like Illinois.
  • Quote: “USC last year, the five fourth quarter leads that they lost…that’s because they didn’t possess the ability to take a game.” – Josh Pate [42:06]
  • “You got to prove it. You don’t say it. You got to prove it.” – Josh Pate [43:10]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “College football will teach [Belichick] 10 times more than he’s about to teach college football.”
  — Josh Pate [16:20]

• “There’s three glamour programs in the country…USC, Texas and Miami. Doesn’t mean they’re the best, but they’re glamour programs.”
  — Colin Cowherd [33:23]

• “I do not throw around the G word. Okay? Generational…that one’s just different. Go watch him.”
  — Josh Pate on Bryce Underwood [07:45]

• “When you get to the higher portion of the college football pyramid…some have both.”
  — Josh Pate on coaches as sellers and schemers [16:39]

• “That Illinois game, that’s it. That’s the Hinge game.”
  — Noah on USC’s season [43:34]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:30] – Arch Manning: overhyped and early struggles
• [06:40] – Bryce Underwood: instant superstar
• [10:00] – Bill Belichick’s transition to Carolina
• [14:40] – Why personality and recruiting matter in college coaching
• [18:00] – Can Kaylen DeBoer succeed at Alabama after Saban?
• [31:20] – Miami, recruiting, and the “glamour program” effect
• [38:23] – USC’s cultural crossroads under Lincoln Riley
• [43:34] – The importance of “hinge games” for elite teams

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

This episode blends Colin’s provocative, unsparing analysis with Josh Pate’s inside-baseball knowledge and grounded perspective. The tone is direct, insightful, and sometimes skeptical, but always rooted in real football nuance. For listeners, it’s a masterclass in not just following college football headlines, but understanding the machinery—coaching, recruiting, culture—that makes or unmakes programs.

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If you want a pulse-check on the biggest storylines in college football, from stars and schemes to swagger and salesmanship, this is the perfect place to jump in.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Noah]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Josh Pate]

Yeah. I especially think if you bought into, I don't know, like the superheroic of him over the spring and summer, you think about this. He is only just now become a college football starting quarterback and you and I have talked about him over half a decade. So we've known about him six years, and I don't think we've ever said that about anyone. So I go out there in the spring, watch him practice, feel my way around the building. Sark's really just open about stuff, especially when you get them off the record, that staff and the feedback wasn't, oh, we're worried about it. The feedback was, we really hope that the world's realistic about what we're doing here, about what we're going to put on the field. Because they never expected it to be like, you know, the preview magazine culture expected it to be. So it wasn't a shock to me that they tried to ease him in. I think the jarring part for me, I was up there, I was standing on the field, is you didn't even have to watch secondary line of scrimmage. If you just put your eyes on him, you could tell the moment the ball came out of his hand. That's not a good ball. Right. And that's, that's, that's not going anywhere fast. So I think that part, you get rattled and at that point you're playing good defense so you feel like you can just win a rock fight and we'll tuck it back in, we'll go back home, we'll play a tomato can, we'll get ready for our trip to Florida, I think is their next really big game. So it wasn't as jarring to me because I never did the Heisman thing with him. I never did the Arch Manning, number one, picking the draft this upcoming year. My whole stance on him was, and it still is, he's going to be a pretty good quarterback this year. And anything above and beyond that, great. But it's Texas. You don't have to carry them for that matter. Nussmeier doesn't have to carry lsu. Clubnick doesn't have to carry Clemson. A lot of these guys have really good supporting cast. He has got racehorses around him. I question whether their speed at wide receivers quite what it's been. But the whole concept of Texas is we're going to load the roster up, just make good decisions, be big in the leverage moments. He was not that in week one, but, you know, you got a much bigger safety net under you now because of the structure of the playoff.

[Noah]

Yeah, and I'll, I'll get to a kid. You know, I think first glances matter and I follow high school recruiting not as much as I used to just because I have more things on my plate. But I'll just say, I don't know how good Michigan is. I love Oklahoma this weekend. I think if you look at Oklahoma's depth chart, that defense is juniors and seniors. That is an old team. They're at home. They got a lot of 22 year old guys and Matier's very talented quarterback. I think Oklahoma is going to have a day. But my first glances at Bryce Underwood on YouTube in high school and last week, Josh, that's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that is magic. And I know he's going on the road now. You need about four snaps. I really think Underwood, a lot of these five star guys. I never bought into Quinn Ewers. I mean, you know, out in Southern California I've heard a lot of five star recruits and I'm like, I don't buy it. I always say LA recruits, five's a four, four is a three. They get overhyped. But I like Oklahoma this weekend. But what were your interpretations of Bryce Underwood?

[Josh Pate]

Better than I thought he'd be. And I had, I had really high expectations for him. I do not throw around the G word. Okay? Generational that you should use that about once a generation. I believe that's the definition.

[Noah]

He.

[Josh Pate]

Even the guys I trust in the scouting world, the ones that assignate the star ratings, even when I listen to them coming up, you know, the ones who are really careful with their language, they said that one's just different. Go watch him. And he did. I don't think he came to Elite 11. So I went out there. I didn't get to see him in person, but eventually you get to see his high school stuff. Okay, it's high school. He goes to Michigan. I know it was New Mexico. 99% of the country didn't watch the game. I don't care if it was air. There is a way that superstars look. It does not take. It does not take mountains and mountains, games and games of film, you just look at it and you say, whoa. Now that's not like you said, it's not a guarantee that he's going to go light the world on fire this week. In fact, it could overinflate him to where he tries to do too much on the road against a Brent Venables defense which has made like the two is of the world look inferior in years. So I'm with you on the Oklahoma sort of dynamic this weekend. But long term, here's the way I viewed Michigan this whole year. They are not good at receiver, so they do not have the pass catchers to probably have him fully feature himself. But what is going to happen is everyone is going to see what you and I are talking about eventually because it'll play out on the big stage and they are going to be, I think, a portal magnet for wide receivers after year. And I am, I'm viewing Michigan 2025 through a 2026 prism because I think 2026, they're right in the national championship conversation.

[Noah]

Yeah, I, I, I don't know that far ahead. And they're not good at receiver, by the way. If you go look at Jim Harbaugh recruiting through the years, he's never had good receivers. He didn't have with Andrew Luck got in San Francisco, he had Michael Crabtree, and that was about it. Michigan, I mean, they were, they were a run defense, squash, you know, eat the clock up. But the ball comes out of Bryce Underwood's hand fast. Very different. It just doesn't look like other kids. All right. So much like the Arch Manning topic. My question with Belichick and I, a friend of mine, Ryan Rossillo, and I got on this years ago, about seven years before Belichick got bounced in New England. Rosillo and I used to know his joke. We're like, he can't draft. He's sitting there with his dog in Nantucket on his iPad and I'm like, he can't draft. And I people. And so what happens in the NFL? And it was Pete Carroll's undoing a little bit in Seattle, where there are coaches, Jimmy Johnson, Sean Payton, who are really, really Sean McVay, really good with personnel. They really have an eye for it. Then there's guys like Kyle Shanahan, who I think are great play designers and play callers. I don't love their personnel view. And then there's Belichick, who's sort of tone deaf to offensive personnel. I don't think he's tone deaf to schemes because he's the best defensive coach of my life. But his last seven years in New England, I mean, they got a punter who was an all pro. That was it. They couldn't draft anything interior, O line, sideline quarterback. So I, my question was, why should I trust him in the transfer portal? I didn't like him drafting college kids. And when I watched Carolina, one of the first things after the first series that jumped out to me is TCU either had much better coaches or much better players because there were a lot of guys running free in the second half. I mean, I mean, pulling away from safeties and pulling away from linebackers, I just didn't see the talent. Now, again, the transfer portal. You're getting used cars a little bit. You know, if Georgia wants to keep a guy, they're going to keep a guy. I thought it was. Again, is it possible that Bill's not the. Listen, Saban was a brilliant personnel guy. I don't think Belichick is. Am I wrong?

[Josh Pate]

No. I mean, I actually wish I did disagree with you. I completely agree with you. I looked at the dynamic. Look, I mean, take a step back for a second. So I didn't even understand the circus around it, period. I got when Dion came to Colorado. That is. That is a massive circus coming to town. Not even in a pejorative way. I got that a lot of people in my world made this huge deal about Belichick coming to North Carolina, and I. Maybe I just don't pay attention enough to like mainstream sports talk. So I didn't get it. But that's just me. That's my personal preference. So then I start hearing these rumblings like, boy, they got a workable schedule this year. And I started to pick up what people were putting down, because the connotation there was, ooh, they could do something this year. And I was. I know the personnel they have. It's terrible. And so I was looking at it, saying, what are you saying about the schedule? Like, come out and say it. No one wanted to say it. So I finally got some people to admit, yeah, I think it's Belichick. It's a workable schedule. He could. Yeah, I got the cattle prod theory. He could cattle prod college football this year. I was like, if that's your expectation for him, you're in for a very rude awakening, and so is the rest of America. Like, I didn't get it initially. I thought people understood he's coming in there and, you know, it's a big show, and it's going to raise the profile of Carolina football, but the expectations largely to do what Carolina's done. I was so tone deaf on it when I realized people's expectations were, he's actually going to elevate them to the level of maybe a fringe playoff contender. I was so out so quickly on it for 50 different reasons, but one of them is the one you talked about. I never talk about NFL. College football is my space, but I didn't think he did a great job at all of the personnel side of things the last several years he was in the NFL, or he'd probably still be in the NFL. And then the next part of that is, all right, if you're Telling me that you want him to be more than a seven or eight win per year on average guy, which is Carolina football historically. Well, that means he's got to do better in talent acquisition. And that also means you got to beat Clemson for kids. You've got to occasionally beat Miami or Florida State for kids. He's just not going to do that. I don't know if you've gotten in the weeds a little bit and read some of the stuff that I've been hearing for months, has now sort of started to go public about the impressions that recruits or portal kids have had, the experiences they've had. They don't know how to do it, man. And it's no knock on them. They've never had to do it. Think about it this way, like, if you're watching right now and you're mainly NFL and like you just dip your toe into college, Nick Saban, I think, is the best to ever do it. He got to his early 70s after a lifetime in college football, lifetime of mastering talent acquisition. And he said this, this isn't really for me anymore. Belichick, at the same age, is trying it for the first time. He's older than any three of his players combined and he's trying that for the first time. I, I, I never even gave a passing thought to, oh, this will work. Of course it won't work. I was stunned and still am, that people think it will work.

[Noah]

Yeah, you know, and what's interesting about, you know, in, in pro football, you draft the player, but in college football, the players selects you. So if you're around Nick Saban, he's funny. I've been around him a couple days. He's funny. Mario Cristobal, Dan Lanning, they're dynamic men.

[Josh Pate]

Brian Kelly, they've got the personalities you have to sell.

[Noah]

Yes, they're salesmen. And by the way, it's not all they do. Bill's better schematically than a lot of guys, but there are almost, I mean, you'd have to go back to Don James at Washington in the, you know, 70s and 80s where a guy was fairly personality less and was a really good recruiter. And I always thought James was doing it with coaching and staff composition. Their personnel was good. I don't think it was as good. It's never been. It was even in Don's best heyday, they had a couple, the Steve Etman defenses were stacked, but basically they did it. They were just the smartest staff he had. Just, you know, they always had the best special teams kind of like Frank Beamer, they'd beat you on special teams. In defense, you never thought it was the most creative offense. But you get them in Blacksburg, get him in Husky Stadium, they win a lot of games. But by and large, Belichick is kind of grumpy. Mike Lombardi, a smart guy, he's got that sort of jersey, gruffness. It reminds me a little of Charlie Weiss. Remember when he thought he had this schematic advantage. And after a while you're like Charlie, you're, you're O lineman. Your D lineman at Notre Dame should be O lineman. You just, you're not pulling, you're not pulling the players. And I think it's got a Charlie Weiss feel.

[Josh Pate]

I am telling you one of the lines point blank that a head coach gave me top 15, like playoff caliber program. He said, you know how big a slap in the face it is to listen to the media tell us a guy who has never coached college of day in his life in the last several decades is going to come teach us something like, like Bill Belichick is going to come teach college football. Something he said college football will teach him 10 times more than he's about to teach college football. Because the other thing about it is the, the insinuation is guys are either schematics, guys, X's and those guys or their talent acquirers. Sometimes that's true. Sometimes it's an A or a B. When you get to the higher portion of the college football pyramid, I know this shot. Some people calling, some have both. Georgia's got both. Like, like Clemson's got both. They can get the talent better than you. They can also out coach you. So unless you're going to go and really convince me that you're going to out recruit in which you're not, or you're going to out develop them and scheme them not once or twice in your career, you may do that, but you got to do it about 10 or 11 times in a year to be able to get to the playoff. Then I'm out on them achieving anything more than Carolina football historically has.

[Noah]

I think the sec, you know, every time the SEC loses a game, you know, it's like the sky is falling. Listen, LSU went into Clemson and won. That's a really big boy football win. The SEC is going to be fine. But I do think there is a distinction between the sec. The Big Ten now is better than it was five years ago, no question. And the SEC is still really good. But losing Saban, it, you know, it's like losing LeBron James in the Eastern Conference, going West. It's not the same conference. The Kalyn DeBoer thing is interesting. When he was at Washington, there was an understanding. It was one of, and I just read this the other day somewhere where coaches, you know how coaches sometimes pro scouts and pro coaches will come to college stuff in off season. And people were saying about Kalyn DeBoer, why are you leaving? Man, you got no pressure up here. And they love college football in Seattle, but they got the Seahawks and the Mariners. It's a bigger city. And they said, man, you got it made up here. And I, I think it is hard. It's one thing to replace Nick Saban, But I think DeBoer's personality is the polar opposite. And I think the program had a certain urgency and intensity built in by Nick. And I don't think they tr side to divert from that. I just think Kaylin DeBoer was the best candidate. I think Alabama sort of liked that sometimes, you know, dialing it up on the sidelines, getting in players faces. They weren't offended by that. You see Kirby Smart do it in the South. That's much more understood where it's just more intense and they get more restless and it's louder with the media. But I made the argument today. I'm not sure Kalin's a great personality fit. I watched Jim McElwain unravel. I saw it eat up Urban Meyer's health. And I do wonder if Kalin may be, I think he's a terrific coach, but he may be better at Michigan, right? Like, he may be better at, like Washington and Michigan. It does feel different than Alabama. And it's what makes, it's what separates Alabama from the other program. I always said Ohio State's the only SEC team North. It's different in Columbus than Ann Arbor. I wonder about Kalin and I just, the more I read, I mean, I think he's safe. I guess I should start with that. Do you think he's safe for now?

[Josh Pate]

100% safe? Yes.

[Noah]

Okay, so they, yeah, but, but is it possible personality does matter sometimes? I mean, Kirby Smart, that's an SEC personality. He's just going to sell it to you straight. Or do you think Kaylan DeBoer just turns his puppy around in three weeks?

[Josh Pate]

Boy, this is a pregnant pause. So I don't know if he's going to turn it around this year, I got to tell you. So to get back to the personality thing for a second, that was one of my suspicions. You know, I I remember when he took the job. Like I know him pretty well. So when he took the job after all the dust settled, you know, I, I go down there a few times a year. I'll go down there and watch him practice. I'll go down there and watch him scrimmage. I'm sitting there in his office with him and what I wanted to know was the whole taking over for a legend thing, not what you're saying at the press conferences. Like I wanted to know eye to eye, shoot with me, how do you view that? And to, you know, not like ruin confidence or anything like that. But he couldn't have cared less about that. What he wanted to make sure he had was the proper resources because he is a 1 percenter. He may have a different personality than Saban, but please, like anyone watching, make no mistake, he, when you open the hood on him is every bit as competitive as the highest level achievers in this sport. What he looked at is not who am I taking over for. What he looked at is am I going to be given everything I need to win? Because I know what the expectation level is going to be. Now I will say there is no substitute for jumping into freezing cold water. When you jump into it, anyone's body is going to lurch. So I think he has had a bit of that. But the you don't want to take over for a legend thing in college football has always needed an asterisk next to it that it hasn't had. You didn't want to take over Penn State post Paterno, even without the off the field stuff. You didn't want to take it over because he stuck around 20 years past his prime. So you had a rebuild on your hands. Bowden, fsu, you were going to have a rebuild on your hands with sky high expectations. Saban's last game was a playoff game. So you had a pretty full covered.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

You know, guys like him look at it and say, well, my words, not his screw who was here before. Like I'm a 1 percenter too. I wake up in the morning, look in the bathroom mirror, I think I could be the greatest of all time if I'm being given what I need. Now he's got this demeanor that is the antithesis of that attitude. And that's kind of what you're talking about. A lot more laid back. And when you've watched Saban roam the sidelines for 15 years and you know, scream at female trainers cause the water's not full enough to, then you get Kaylin Deboer and there's music at practice and it's a bunch of anecdotal stuff. It's a bunch of straw man stuff that if you won would be a credit to him but because he loses is a detriment to him. But I think now this is where rubber meets the road. You could get away with what happened last year because there is a little bit of transition. They did lose some players. Caleb Browns like you don't replace him. There was some staff churn as well. You cannot in any circumstances have what happened against Florida State. And so, you know, again, you let the dust settle a little bit. You ask around. Colin. I think they were stunned by it. I don't think they coming. I was down there a couple of weeks ago, watched them scrimmage. It was war. It was unbelievable. It was every bit as physical as a Nick Saban practice, as a Kirby smart practice to the point where they. I thought they were getting guys hurt. I thought they were about to get guys hurt before the season started. And the reason I mentioned that is because it was the total antithesis of what we saw against Florida State. Guys look slow, guys look timid, guys didn't look physical, didn't look tough. And it was, it was so jarring because I know my eyes didn't lie to me. I'm standing there with, with football minded people and we're all in agreement, right? This is a pretty, pretty, pretty physical practice, pretty impressive looking secondary. So I think they were just as stunned by it as anyone else. So they got UL Monroe this weekend, but they go to Georgia within the month. Like they are going to play LSU this year. They are going to play Tennessee this year. And there are so many questions in the south right now. Everyone else hates a Bama and they love this. And then the Bama folks hate what they saw and they're trying to figure out like do we defend this guy or do we not expose ourselves to getting our feelings hurt again? Do we call for his ouster? And in reality, everyone wants to know one reason, one reason why it happened. One sound bite, one snapshot. It's probably 37 small things. And that's the trouble because you can't fix 37 little small things in a week. I just, I am dumbfounded by what I saw against Florida State. Now I will say this. I think Bama's the first one and not the last one to be kind of exposed. They just happen to play quality. Enough competition in week one. It could be we got some top 15, top 10 caliber teams elsewhere that just happened to be favored by 40 in week one. And so they're tougher competition and maybe their exposure period is still to come. But I got to tell you, man, it's hard to trust a team. I picked him to win the national title, so it was a tough Saturday for me. It is hard. Even if they do rebound, you know, even if they come out with their hair on fire, beat Wisconsin, go to Georgia, down to the wire, they win 30, 27 seasons back on track. Yeah, it would be back on track. I can't ignore that. The Florida State game happened once. That's in the cake. It's baked in there.

[Noah]

So.

[Josh Pate]

So I, I can't fully trust it again. But that doesn't matter. They can win without me trusting them. It is a tough, tough task for him right now.

[Noah]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Angela Rye]

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[Tiffany Cross]

I've been telling Angela I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.

[Josh Pate]

That's the truth.

[Devin]

We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.

[Angela Rye]

Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish.

[Tiffany Cross]

But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it.

[Devin]

We're like family, but we disagree all the time. And we love when our listeners chime.

[Tiffany Cross]

In what would happen if we built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South.

[Noah]

Tiffany, do not run to no rural South.

[Josh Pate]

I don't know what you're on.

[Tiffany Cross]

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[Devin]

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[Noah]

Welcome home, y'.

[Manny]

All.

[Noah]

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[J]

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not gon choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to just say like go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating. You Know, takes effort.

[Noah]

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[Manny]

Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.

[Josh Pate]

Attention, passengers.

[Tiffany Cross]

The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane.

[Manny]

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[Noah]

I'm Noah.

[Josh Pate]

This is Devin.

[Manny]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Manny]

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[Josh Pate]

See?

[Manny]

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[West Prop]

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[Josh Pate]

Government.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Noah]

You know, it was interesting. My, my, I love to see all the Florida schools. Really good, and I'll wait for the gators, but, I mean, Florida State Norvell can recruit. Mario Cristobal is an unbelievable recruiter. I mean, they looked like. I mean, they had a swagger. They were physical. That old line is something else. That's what he does. I mean, it was Les Miles. He used to build good old lines. That thing was just notre Dame couldn't get a pass rush. And my kind of takeaway is the SEC has always needed the state of Florida. And I'm like, I'm not sure. Mario's letting a lot out of Dade county. Because in Norville, I looked at those teams, I'm like, oh, boy, this is real football. And I remember when I was in Vegas, out of college, they used to put the Florida, Florida State game on at 9 in the morning out west. I'm not, I'm not joking. That's how college football's grown. You now, you have, you know, you have the big noon kickoff, but for about 15 years, there was a hole early in the day. That's why Fox went after it. I mean, it used to be college football. Biggest games they put at nine in the morning. And it's all of a sudden, oh, wait, this has a big audience. We got to push this back in the afternoon. But when I was watching Miami this weekend, I've always felt, Josh, there's three glamour programs in the country. Usc, Texas, and Miami. Doesn't mean they're the best, but they're glamour programs. They're sex appeal. Austin, Coral Gables, Los Angeles, they feel different. Kirk Herbstreet once said, when Pete Carroll was at usc, he goes, it's not pro, but it's not college either. It's somewhere in the middle. So I'm rooting for Lincoln Riley. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm really rooting for Mario Cristobal. And Steve Sarkeesian is Miami. I mean, Notre Dame's legit. I mean, they jumped out to a 217 lead. I thought that thing was going to get ugly. I mean, Carson Beck has time. I always feel like it's hard not to be legitimate college or pro. Penn State this year if you, if you have a dominant offensive line, could be the Eagles or the Lions or the Ravens in the NFL, it could be Penn State this year. And I watch Miami's O line, Josh, and I'm like, oh, they can play with anybody. If Carson Beck may not be great, but with time, I don't know. My interpretation of Miami was they're going to be a handful.

[Josh Pate]

First off, think about what you just said about the glamour programs. And there was an extended stretch there where college football is just surging, surging, surging. Usc, Texas and Miami are nowhere to be found.

[Noah]

That's right.

[Josh Pate]

That doesn't disprove your point. What it says is, imagine the turbo booster that adds to that scalability. If they're all collectively.

[Noah]

Did you See the U. Did you see the Texas Ohio state number today? 17 million people watch noon, noon, man.

[Josh Pate]

Unbelievable. Big noon kickoffs going nowhere. Dude. Yeah, that was unbelievable. I, I've always defended the noon kickoffs. I love them because I can get home that night. And the sunburn on the forehead still there from Saturday. But I loved it. Yeah. So I, I can't remember when it was. It was like before their Wake Forest game last week. I flew down to Miami to visit with the staff, watched practice. When I go to Miami practice, Mario brings you right out there on the field. You stand right behind the line of scrimmage during, live, during. Good on good. And he says, he's just pointing, he's just, he's giving you play by play. As practice is going on. He says, I want you to watch something. I want you to keep an eye on 70. So 70. I don't have my eye on him. He's in my peripheral vision. It's a kid named Markel Bell. It is now their starting left tackle. He is 69360 at this point last year. He says, watch this. We got this kid out of JUCO in Mississippi. So he steps in. I've never seen humanity like that. I've just, I've just never seen humanity move like that. He said, not this year. Next year just, just circle number 70 next year. So you got Francis Malanoa at right tackle, who's a surefire first day NFL guy, left tackle. The other night. I think a lot of the world got introduced to Markel Bell. They have built that thing, they have built that offensive line the way that you would expect Mario Cristobal to build an offensive line. But what ate them up last year was the obvious. They wasted Cam Ward just like LSU wasted Jaden Daniel a couple of seasons ago. LSU course corrected with their defensive hires and now they're reaping the benefits. Mario went to Minnesota and got Corey Heatherman and first thing I asked him is, is it a two year thing? He said, no, we're about to hit the portal. We will get this thing fixed. And so, okay, everyone can say that they get through spring. They get halfway into fall camp. I check in again and a lot of the feedback from Miami, Colin was running game's going to be there. We've got no question about Carson back. Everyone questioning him. They'll be silenced soon enough. But I kept being told, watch our secondary because that'll be the key to our season. Because we could not stop anything through the air last year. Year. We think we hit on all these guys out of the portal. And if we're right, it is the portal. So it's a crapshoot. But if we're right, then there's no limit to what we can do this year. So it's a one game sample size. New quarterback and C.J. carr on the road. There wasn't a lot of business to be had through the air against them the other night either. And so if that's the case, if they hit on quarterback early, early returns are they did. If that secondary is even just a net neutral, much less a positive, they. They are like the Swiss army knife. That's what I prefer in a team to pick them. I want to know that you could win a game 3831 if you need to. I love you in a 1916 slug fest too. They're the kind of team that's very multifaceted. But I don't want to get excited because consistency and performance has bitten them. Late game situationals have bitten them. So again it is trust but verify with Miami. But if they are back, think about what we saw from Clemson the other night. Not a conference game, but think about what we saw from Georgia Tech. Clemson goes to Tech in a few weeks. Think about the acc, Florida State. Miami goes to Florida State within the month. Like the ACC is about to have the volume turned up on it really quick. And I cannot handicap that thing right now. That thing's up in the air.

[Noah]

Yeah, Mario struggled on the road at Oregon. He did not struggle in recruiting. He did not struggle at home. He would go on the road sometimes. It's clock management. We saw that against Notre Dame. A little dubious, but I love Miami and it fires me up. Let's end with this. And by the way, for the regular listeners of my show, when I noticed Josh paid over two years ago, I had told people. I'm like this kid, he even knows west coast football. And a lot of southern college football writers don't really follow it. And you do.

[Josh Pate]

So they don't go out there, Colin. They don't go out. If they'd go to. I had to go to a Washington game to get it. But when I went for that Oregon game a couple of years ago, I got it. When I went to a Utah game, I got. I love it out there. Now people in the south think I'm lying when I say that. That I ain't lying about it, man.

[Noah]

It's.

[Josh Pate]

It's unbelievable if you can get out there. It's just. I grew up in the. In rural Georgia. So, you know, Seattle might as well be on the moon. Eugene might well be Russia to us. But if you ever get out there, it's awesome.

[Noah]

So I like Lincoln Riley. I know him. But if you don't follow recruiting, until a year ago, they really didn't aggressively recruit Los Angeles. And it was very off putting to the people here. You know, it'd be like, you know, Kirby smart ignoring Georgia. Now they've gone full bore into it. And they have one or two or top three recruiting class in 2026. It's a lot of Southern California kids as, as it should be, I think. Kids, when you recruit the local kid, mom and dad are in town, they're less likely to get in trouble. Mom and dad read the paper. I like the local kid. You know, they're, they're showing off for their buddies and their friends. You get away from home sometimes, it's just, it can change a young man's personality. I don't know if Lincoln Riley can create a culture. I know he can coach. I mean, he. 12 wins, 11 wins, 9 wins, 11 wins at Oklahoma. I mean, he took over USC. I'm here to tell you, man, they had about 28 to 30. I was told this by somebody on Lincoln's death. They had about 30 guys that could play at USC and very few were good. Their best players were Caleb Williams and Jordan Addison and they were coming from other programs. But I don't know if he's a culture builder. I've watched last year they go to Maryland. I mean, they led in almost every football game. They couldn't close games out. And closing games out is fundamentally about physicality. It's a seven minute drive. Winning games comes in a variety of forms. Closing games out when you lead is physical football. Three first downs, close it down. They couldn't do it. The running back room is good. Do you have the same doubts I do about. We know he can call plays. We know he's clever. I didn't even like their quarterback at UNLV when they got it. I thought, like, I watched him in the open when I watched them last year. I'm like, well, he's better than he was at unlv. I just, I didn't think he was an elite player. But the reports out of USC is Lincoln really likes him. But do you have concerns about USC and culture building? Because there's a lot of. I mean, what makes Sean McVeigh great is not the schematics, is the guy may be 5, 10, he feels like he's 6 8. He's like he walks there. He's half Abe Lincoln, half Nick Saban. You know, he's like, like he is half Warren Buffett. Like it's just big. And Lincoln can got to be soft spoken, kind of be feel sometimes indifferent to certain kind of conversations. Where do you land on him?

[Josh Pate]

I think you have to be. You're in a really unique position because you get to be in the room with a lot of those guys at the college level. I get to sit down with all of them. Them. Most people don't get that. Most people may find themselves at some meet and greet one on one with their head coach, but they don't have the comparative analysis ability. I agree with your assessment about him. It is the two. I got two big questions about him. One is the culture piece. There's a lot of noise coming from Brett and Venables in the past couple of weeks about what they inherited there. You could pass that off to sour grapes. He could be shooting to you straight great. I think it's worth paying attention to. And so when Lincoln goes to usc thus far what you described is what makes a great coordinator. But he's not the coordinator there, he's a head coach. So you got to be able to do more than just call plays and coach position. It's about getting talent. It's about developing the talent. Now one piece that they did is when they went and got Chad Bowden, the GM from Notre Dame. Yeah, they were going to take in state recruiting seriously. Like that was going to get turned up. I am very interested to see whether proof of performance on the field this year is necessary to keep that class together. That's one thing that I'm watching. The other thing that I've asked Chad about this, I've asked him, do you, you talk about like locking down the city, locking down the state. Do you really think there's enough line of scrimmage talent in the state of California?

[Noah]

Good question.

[Josh Pate]

He said yes, I disagree with that. But you know he's. He's running usc. I'm not. But even, even if all the talent's there, even if all the players are there there. I have never thought that that one possession loss metric is randomized turnovers sometimes are. Randomized turnovers are. Dude. Nebraska kept losing one possession games because they didn't know how to win games. USC last year, the five fourth quarter leads that they lost. That's cause they didn't possess the ability to take a game and then go look at you go look at Kirby Smart in One possession games. He's got an incredible record. That's not by accident. So the question is, do you just flip that once you get better players? You may have less one possession games when you have better players. But the bottom line is even the best of the best are eventually going to find themselves in those positions. And you start talking playoff instead of let's make a bowl that's a tightrope, walk 100ft off the ground instead of 10ft off the ground. You fall 10ft, it hurts. You fall 100 street pizza. So what you said is still in the back of my mind, totally fair. And I don't think anyone inside usc, I don't think Lincoln himself can really push back on that. Cause if he's honest, if you inject truth serum in him, he knows what it comes down to. You got to prove it. You don't say it. You got to prove it.

[Noah]

I was talking to a USC booster today and I said, that Illinois game, that's it.

[Josh Pate]

That's it. That's the Hinge game.

[Noah]

They're not winning at Oregon. That's okay. They're probably not winning at Notre Dame. They're going to win their home games. I said I don't know if they can win in illinois. If it's 39 degrees or 42 or windy. I said that. That is the kind of game where in Illinois is good. I think. I mean, they. Brett, I mean, this year they return a lot of guys on their lines. Offensive line, I think they may return four or five starters. Illinois is my dark horse team in the country. I don't think they're great, but I think they're really good and they're going to knock people off. And if it's 44, I'm taking Illinois. I'll tell you right now, if it's 42, 44. Lincoln Riley has not proven he can win that game with discomfort. Josh Pate, what a pleasure. We're going to make this a regular thing on Wednesdays for our audience. I hope you guys enjoyed it, listening as much as I did. I just have great admiration for your prep, your intensity. You're obviously a very bright guy. I love your work and I want to say thank you. And this is the start of a lot of these sit downs and I loved it.

[Josh Pate]

Love it, man. Love you, brother. I appreciate you having me. Can't wait for the rest of the year. The volume.

[Colin Cowherd]

Who cares about truth when the lie is more entertaining?

[Angela Rye]

Welcome home. I'm Angela Rye, co host of the Native Lampod with Andrew Gillum and Tiffany Cross, and we want y' all to survive and thrive in this political moment.

[Devin]

We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.

[Angela Rye]

I am terrified that in our rest, we're going to miss the moment.

[Tiffany Cross]

You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.

[Josh Pate]

Listen.

[Devin]

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[Ebony]

Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony, and every Tuesday, I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday may make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect podcast network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Manny]

Why are TSA rules so confusing?

[Josh Pate]

You got a hoodie on. Take it all.

[Manny]

I'm Manny.

[Noah]

I'm Noah.

[Devin]

This is Devin.

[Manny]

And we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming? I can't expect what to do now. If the rule was the same, Go off on me. I deserve it.

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[Manny]

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[West Prop]

All right, West. West. Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You know, I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here mandering all over the place. Hop out, boys. Snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamel Hill because she gonna keep it a century.

[Colin Cowherd]

The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you.

[West Prop]

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