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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Why Colin Is PRO Tanking, When Should LeBron Retire? 24 Team CFP? NBA Needs To Make Changes
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Colin Cowherd
Segregation in the day, integration at night. It was like stepping in another world.
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Podcast Narrator
Was he a businessman? A criminal? A hero?
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Colin Cowherd
Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.
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Podcast Narrator
Charlie's Place from Atlas Obscura and visit Myrtle Beach. Listen to Charlie's Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, if they'll kill a cop and bury him, what are they gonna do to me?
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Podcast Narrator
What really happened to the missing deputy? Valley of Shadows a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of Shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
They don't.
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Colin Cowherd
They'd have to. They wouldn't know how to cobble together enough players or bring in a third team to get it done. And so the only way to go from bad to good is the Spurs. You tank and get Stefan Castle. You tank and get Wemby. Then you make another because they're very inexpensive for the first several years. You make another couple moves to get your, you know, your de' Aaron Fox or you. And all of a sudden you look up and you're like, oh, we go from like 24 wins to 38 to 56. And so I don't know if you can solve tanking outside of taking away draft picks, which seems really punitive since there's only two rounds. And if you're going to make trading impossible, how else do you go? I think Utah is on the precipice of being very interesting in the next year how they've been awful for three years. So I guess my take is dynasties. We could start with either one. Dynasties actually make much more sense now than they did in the 70s when we were less distracted. And I'm okay with tanking if the rules currently disallow big, sweeping trades for the Wizards to become OKC within two years, which you can't do that now.
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Danny Parkins
Okay. So, as always, there's. There's a lot there. Well, let's. Let's park the dynasty thing for maybe a little bit later. We've talked about that a lot in baseball, and like, I agree that the, the power of dynasties, like the Chiefs became the team that all the NFL Network executives want, and it replaced the Cowboys because they are a dynasty. So you and I are in agreement, and I think the data backs it up as fact. Like, dynasties work. The trade point is an interesting one because we actually just saw at this deadline, like, Washington now has Trey Young and Anthony Davis, like, some of the free agent rules have actually made it where it's easier for you to retain your guys with, you know, the bird rights and you can go over the cap to sign your own players and things like that. That, like, I think that free agent, like good players leaving in free agency is going to. Is going to decrease, which to your point, makes the draft even more important. But the tanking thing, I don't know how you can say you're okay with what Utah is doing. This is. It's. So we're recording this the night of the All Star Game. They are sitting players in the fourth quarter of games. It is. It is anti competition. It is anti sport. Like the. Is it the biggest deal in the world? Are there. I do think there are bigger problems with the NBA and I'd love to do, like, a global conversation about all of it with you, but, like, I Don't know how you can say because like in this case it's Utah against Orlando, Utah against Miami, and nobody really cares. But what if it was a team that we did care about? And I would imagine that the 15,000 fans that bought tickets to those games would, would care about it. It is a. These are sports, man. It's an entertainment product. Well, you can't have the games mean nothing. They have to mean something.
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Colin Cowherd
But I think the Utah fans who almost have a collegiate feel because it's a smaller NBA market, I think they're in on it. I think they know it. I don't think, I think they go to the games and enjoy it with their friends. But if you ask them, you can get the number 2 pick or the number 14, they would take the number 2. So you can play. So you can play the young guys. Compete as much as you can with the young guys. But I mean, Utah's been bad for several years. What's another 12 games or 26 games at the end of the year? I mean, I, you could you. I mean, again, it's only a two round draft, so people say we're going to take, we're going to take draft picks away. Spygate and Deflategate. You only took one pick. If you took 50% of people's picks, okay, we're taking a first round pick, well, then that bad team has even less chance to get good.
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Danny Parkins
But don't you think you want, like I want to say, I want to say this before we get any more into it because I've heard a lot of the conversation over the last week because it seems like what happens in our business is we are so football centric and then the super bowl ends and we deconstruct it for a day or two and then we immediately pivot to the NBA and we kind of parachute in and we're like, problems with the NBA, whether it's tanking, three point shooting, injuries, load management, like whatever the issue of the day is this year, because of the Utah example, literally sitting players unapologetically in the fourth quarter before the All Star break, we all seized on the tanking thing. You and I have some disagreements here. One thing I do want to say though, amidst all the complaining, the talent is so unbelievable.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Danny Parkins
Like the league has so many things going for it. Yeah. Like KD and Steph and LeBron not only are still here, they're all still awesome.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
They are ambassadors of the sport. They are advocates for the sport. They love hooping. They're still great Players on competitive, varying degrees of competitive teams. Like, you know, I don't know that. I don't, I don't think the Lakers can win a title. I don't think that the warriors can win a title. But they, we are going to see those guys play basketball beyond the regular season into their late 30s, or in LeBron's case, early 40s. It's a miracle. They're unbelievably talented. And I think one of the biggest problems with the sport is actually counterintuitive and it's that the players have gotten too good. I think they have broken the game. They're so good at shooting threes that it is so easy for them to do it that the sport has become a jump shooting contest. 53, 63, 70 threes a game. And it makes it less exciting. Yes, because I like to see them dunk and fly and do the things that I can't dunk. I can hit a three point shot.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so it's.
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Danny Parkins
And then that has led to. You've got to defend all over the place.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Danny Parkins
So you got to run. More guys are rupturing their Achilles and then they're more tired so they have to sit. You and I agree, it's all connected together.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so you and I agree. I said this last week twice. Every year at this time we bang on the NBA and I and I said playoffs will start, I'll totally be engaged. The game will become much more of a mid range game than a three point game because it becomes get a stop, get a basket and close games late. You just, you get, you sometimes you just need a basket. That's why Kawhi Leonard is an irrelevant regular season player. But he's been such a great postseason player because he gets stops and he gets twos.
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Danny Parkins
So.
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Colin Cowherd
So I think I, I don't know if I said this to you, but I said it to somebody of all. I just. I'm watching right now a great documentary. I'm through the first two episodes. There's four. It's called Soul Power. It is a four part documentary on the aba. It is fantastic. I mean, I don't know where they got the video. So much of it I knew because I started watching Sports in late 1971. That's the time Spencer Haywood and the Dr. J. That's why Spencer Haywood and Dr. J are my first two basketball memories. Because I was like 7 years old and I remember seeing Dr. J, who was my first, you know, favorite basketball player. So they have video apparently the aba, I didn't know this, had a huge fight problem. I don't know where they got the video. There must be 20 pieces of video of fist fights. Like it's hockey without the helmets. It's just haymakers. Guys laying on the floor like so. But that's where the three point shot came from. But my point has always been Danny, that basketball was the sport of artistry and culture and sometimes politics. Starting with Spencer Haywood going to the Supreme Court. That was the NFL was corporate. Baseball was the summer sport. You could go have a beer, you didn't care who won, right. Unless you were a diehard. Basketball was the cool sport. It was the afros, it was the dunking. That's why the ABA became a threat to the NBA. The NBA was overcoached. It was like college basketball. It was overcoached, it was rigid. There was limitations, sadly on how many African American players could play on the team. And the ABA is like flavor and dunking and threes and a tri colored ball. And it was like, well, that's what we like. Here's the problem with the three. The three has reduced dominant centers with quirky games, mid range games. If Michael Jordan played Today, he'd shoot 13 threes a game. Do you, outside of the Blazer finals, do you ever remember seeing him shoot a three that mattered in a game or a highlight? We've seen no. I've argued this. We have taken all these. It's the one sport of artistry. It's the artistry sport and we've taken the artistry out of it. Now outside of Steph, whose game is fundamentally based on the three, we've taken Ant Edwards Wemby to shoot a bunch of threes. Ant is the closest thing to MJ we've had. If you took Kawhi's hand size and anti, you kind of have MJ and I mean ants just. He shoots 11, 10, 9 threes. Wemby too many threes. So if you took the three point line into the bench, you did not have to defend the corner. You could more easily Defend the Arch 3. Those players would move inside. What happens when you have a mid range game? More physicality. Guys aren't chasing people down, they're defending them. Ass on ass, hip on hip, shoulder on shoulder. What do we like about the NBA playoffs? It's physical. It's, it's like man battling fans. Get into it. So I think the arc, the three point shot into the bench reduces all these soft, these, these injuries. People are complaining about where the, the pace is so fast, centers are running to the corner. It would become a more physical game. But I think Malice in the palace terrifies the league. And there's something about making the game less physical for a big portion of the regular season. And I agree with you, it's hard and repetitive to watch.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, the, to me that is so there's, there's the health of the players, there's the tanking, there is load management which, which is caught up in both of them. But to me the biggest issue is the, is the style of play. But again I want to, every time I say it, like I, I do want to say I love the game, I respect their talent and the playoffs are amazing. What bothers me a little bit. I think the, the in season tournament was a really interesting idea. We've talked about it before taken from the Premier League and it's guys clearly play harder. There's a trophy on the line, it means something and I think it will only grow in its relevance here. But what I wish they would have done with it is it. I wish that the mid season, the in season tournament instead of a different court, we had different rules so we could experiment with some of this stuff. Yeah, like oh good. I don't 100, I don't 100% know if what you just said is correct about eliminating the corner 3 or if like we would just see a lot more like 18 foot jumpers. Yeah, I don't know. I think you're right, but I don't know. So I want to see it like, you know, like I want to see. Would it be better if we had a trapezoidal like international style lane instead of to vertical to force like more crashing of the boards and put backs and things like that, like more offensive rebounds. I would be very interested in them. Baseball did it. But what people miss about what baseball did. People give Rob Manfred a lot of credit and that's like mostly right. But Rob Manfred employed Theo Epstein. Theo Epstein's a genius and he really cares about the game. And when Theo was running the Red Sox and the Cubs, his whole thing was like how do I exploit the rules to win? It wasn't in the best interest of the sport to strike out more, walk more, hit more home runs. It's boring. But as soon as he got hired by Major League Baseball as a consultant, he tried to start closing those loopholes. More stolen bases, ball in play, more, you know, three batter rules, all those sort of things to like to try to force some action into the game pitch clock, obviously the biggest one. It's worked and it's worked. But that wasn't like Rob Manfred's genius. He needed like a basketball person. And so I feel like the, the NBA, they have so much goddamn money and the television contracts are so good that they look around and they're like, well, our playoffs are awesome, our talent is awesome and our money is awesome. And all of those things are undeniably true. But do you have like a basketball? Like, I'd be hire LeBron when he retires and be like, okay, honestly, what is the best way to improve the on court product? What do you like about high school ball, college ball, international ball, the NBA? You're a historian of the game, the old NBA. Like, what is the best version of this sport and how do we get there and how do we get to it? And like really have hard conversations about what you can do to it. And you know, Bill Simmons had a great rant about all of this stuff. And I listened to his pod and I agreed with some of it, disagreed with some of it. But like, he seems to believe that you could do 70 games, but the owners wouldn't want to give back the money. So expand. Like the NBA? Absolutely. You watch this sport, guys sit out because of injury, real or imagined, and guys you've never heard of come in and drop 30 like it's nothing. There's absolutely enough basketball talent in the world to fill, to fill 32 teams. And so if you went to 32 teams and added Seattle and Vegas, that would increase revenue, then cut back to 70 games, give the players a little bit more rest. They play more, they stay healthier. I feel like that is an obvious fix for the league here. That doesn't solve every problem, but it solves a lot of problems.
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
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Podcast Narrator
June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the Sheriff's Department. The rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?
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Danny Parkins
A homicide captain saying, detective, do not.
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Colin Cowherd
Find out if this guy's guilty or innocent.
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Danny Parkins
Who does that?
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Podcast Narrator
Valley of Shadows A new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?
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Colin Cowherd
I wouldn't do it alone.
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Podcast Narrator
Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Segregation in the day, Integration at Night.
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Podcast Narrator
When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside.
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Colin Cowherd
It was like stepping in another world.
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Podcast Narrator
Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it you saw the kkk.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie.
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Danny Parkins
Take him away from here.
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Colin Cowherd
Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.
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Podcast Narrator
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Danny Parkins
I do remember the mustache. I will get a pee. I will get him a meme of that mustache. Like, like every, like six days, somebody would be like, what was this?
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Podcast Narrator
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
How did that happen?
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
And the other thing is, baseball made these changes, and for years they were reticent to do so because it's a game of history and lore and, you know, tradition. Basketball's not. There's an old saying in sports. NBA thinks of it first. NFL gets it right. Baseball makes the most money on it. Basketball, I mean, David Stern changed the texture of the ball and didn't tell the players he came out. I remember that it was just outrageously a bad idea. Then they put sleeves on uniforms and some people thought that was to hide tattoos that looked dumb. So I mean, the NBA and David Stern is largely considered almost a maverick. A highly successful commissioner. He took big swings and missed. So I think, I do think in life and in business, when the money's good people, it absolves you of change.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I do think. I agree with you. I think that David Stern used to tell like networks like espn. Listen, guys, nobody watches our regular season. They never have. That's the dirty little secret of this business. But I think there's more media critics and more people bagging on basketball. I think it just needs a few tweaks. I would tweak the three point game, make it more situational, make it more about contact and physicality. You do that by just take out the corner threes, make the three arc go right in the bench. And I also, you can. People can bag on tanking. All they want is. That's why San Antonio is going to have a 12 year run. By the way, if you go back to their, you know, how did they get Duncan, David Robinson, they were the first tankers, by the way. Remember when David Stern was around and they wouldn't play like in big Sunday games, they would, they would be at home in San Antonio on, I think it was Saturday night. And they wanted to reward their fans. And then on Sundays, like it's a travel day. I'm not playing Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker in the league. David Stern got on the phone and barked at everybody. Ownership now, but the, it's.
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Danny Parkins
It's the same conversation, but we're talking slightly past you. It is smart.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Danny Parkins
I am not going to say that tanking isn't smart.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Danny Parkins
Sam Presti tanked in order to get some of the picks that he got right. Like the spurs, as you've mentioned. Like, it's undeniably the right strategy. The question should be, again, like, should it be allowed? Like in baseball, it was the right strategy. A strikeout is not as bad as we think. Yeah, swing hard. Because home runs are so valuable. It's okay if you hit 220. If you hit 40 bombs. I'd rather you hit 220 with 40 bombs than hit 260 with 24 bombs. Even though 260 with 24 bombs. Ball and play more and more action, more visually appealing product. But you score more runs if you hit the ball.
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Colin Cowherd
Over the wall.
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Danny Parkins
So they did things to kind of move it, move it away from that to have more action in the sport. Like. And so again, like, I.
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Colin Cowherd
What.
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Danny Parkins
What's wrong with the rule? This is just a. It's a very simple one. You can't pick in the top four in back to back years like you. Baseball has.
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Colin Cowherd
That's okay. I'm okay.
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Danny Parkins
Like, baseball has that. Like you. The White Sox a couple years ago had the worst record, but they had picked in the top, whatever it was. So they had to pick like 11th that year. Like just, just make it so that Utah fans. And even if you're right, that they are like, okay with it because it's a path to it, it's still, at some point, this is competition. It's sports. You got to play the game to win. Or else what the hell are we doing?
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Colin Cowherd
And Danny, why. Your reason, your belief could make Sense is about three years ago, because of the NIL, where American universities now buy 15 excellent euros and they pull them off their European teams and kids are now staying in college. Absolutely. We see it in football all the time now. There's six year players. The truth is now last year's draft was excellent. This year's draft is legendary. The drafts now are much better. I mean, this past draft, you get down to Ace bailey at like 6. The first six are like, no miss. And then you go from like 7 to 18 and you're like, oh, those guys will all start at some point in the NBA. So I think that idea sticks to me because the draft's going to get much better. When that UConn team won a couple years ago, it was the first time, in my opinion, in 20 years maybe since the Florida Gators won back to back. Remember, they had Corey Brewer, Joachim Noah.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Jokim Noah. That was a really, really good team.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And then we went, how many years it was until the UConn championship. You're like, this isn't, this isn't great. But that UConn team won. And I'm like, shit, there's seven NBA guys. They, they're like playing. They're long. I mean, they got, they got like the Saban Alabama teams. You're like, they have 16 NFL guys playing the UConn teams. Like, that's when I went, okay, this, the, the, the, the transfer portal. And all this stuff that we're starting to see now, like, this is really like. It was when I used to watch Leitner and Bobby Hurley and Grant Hill. You're like, there's like Four NBA guys on this team and two guys off the bench will be NBA guys next year. So I think you're. I think it works with you. The. No, you don't get a top four pick, but picks five through 14 are going to be starters in the NBA. Now, I don't necessarily. We had drafts where it was Anthony Bennett was the number one pick. I mean, we had the Victor Oladipo draft. You're like, I'm not sure there's a guy in like three out of four drafts. You're like, there's just nobody here.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, no, I, I completely agree. And so I just, I again, I think that there's just. I think that that's one thing. I think the pick protections on trades are a little. This. You can trade a first round pick, but it's top 20 protected. It's like, it's like shrink that way down. Like, because right now Utah, they. The reason that they need to tank so aggressively is because if they pick outside of the top eight, it goes to Oklahoma City. Like, Sam Presti would get. Sam Preston could get the ninth pick in this draft. Like, so, like, like Utah's like, we need the pick, but also like the good of the league. We can't give Sam PRESTI Another top 10, you know. So like, so like, I just, I just think that those types of things the league needs to do, they need to do it. And I think, I think overall the product will improve. But again, the. To me, the biggest one is still style of play and figuring out like. And Katie hates when people talk about this because he thinks that people are doing it from a place of just looking for something to bitch about. I honestly think that these guys have just gotten too good. They're too good at hitting 23 footers. Like the whole league can shoot 35%. The whole league.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I like Kevin Durant shooting threes. I don't like ant shooting them. Correct. I like, of course shooting them. I don't like ant shooting. There are players who are catch and shoot guys. Clay and KD or Bill built for it. But when Russell Westbrook decides I need to take five, that's bad television.
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Danny Parkins
Correct. It's exactly. And like again, back in the day. And it's not that, it's not that you go, you put on a game from the 90s when I'm a child and I got Michael Jordan's jersey on my wall like it. It is. They're not running as hard. They are not as fast like it is not. But they had one guy who would shoot threes? Steve Kerr, you're the three point shooter. John Paxton, you're the three point shooter dot now everyone does it. And so it's just the game is you gotta. You gotta evolve. You gotta evolve with the caliber of your athletes.
- [32:56]
Colin Cowherd
So I thought this was. And listen, everybody's banging on the All Star weekend. It's. They're just, you know, it's like this. The truth is, the Pro bowl was always dumb because like Steve Young says, he never got hit harder than the Pro bowl because the old lineman didn't want to block. Like, it was dumb. The baseball All Star game was cool. Then there's interleague play. It's not as cool. I think the truth of the matter with the NBA guys is they make so much money now, they just don't want to play in the game much. And I get it. I don't want to beat up on the NBA guys. We can. It's. It's. I like the sport. I really. I mean, I'm watching an ABA documentary and I think it's thrilling. I think it's fantastic. The LeBron topic is interesting because I said it last week is I like my movies. I don't want my actors to end like Marlon Brando or my musicians end like Elvis. I don't want to see a came in a Raptors jersey. I don't like that. And I do think the last great sports documentary never done is a 30 for 30 on Michael Jordan's days with the Wizards. And I just don't think you can get the video because MJ has some connection to the league and you can't get the video. But it was like players hated him. I went and watched them twice. It's the last 30 for 30. If you got guys to talk, it would be fantastic. The Jordan Wizards message. But I was thinking about this when I was driving home the other day because I said, I like LeBron. This would be so great if he just said, I'm out. And you're like, oh, my God. He ended like Brady. You're like, Brady was still like a top seven quarterback. You're like, brady could have won if he had the right roster. He could have probably gotten to a conference championship, maybe a Super Bowl. And LeBron could too. Except for now he's so expensive. And now Luke is expensive. But I was thinking, Michael Jordan's Wizards years did not ding to the nth degree. Michael Jordan, he is as big now. I mean, he hasn't played in 30 years. And my take is, is LeBron going to say no to $50 million or whatever he makes a year. You get to a point like, people always say broadcasters stay on too long. If I was Dan Rather making Blankety Blank or Tom Broca, I'd do it until my teeth fell out. It's easy. You're reading a prompter. They don't make you travel as much when you're old. The money's amazing and it gives you something to do. And my wife's gonna. Not gonna let me hang around her all day. She'd be bored, you know, she'd be like, get away from me. I got my friends. So I look at LeBron and I think, what if LeBron prayed, played four more years? His last year he averaged 13. Is it the worst thing in the world?
- [35:31]
Danny Parkins
No, of course not. I mean, we. Yeah, like, if he's gonna do 50 million a year, like, at some point, there's maybe a bad return on investment for a team in terms of, like, what you get on the court, but not what you get in terms of jerseys, attendance, and all of it. Because he's. He's box office man. He is. And he. And LeBron plays.
- [35:50]
Colin Cowherd
I went to the United Injuries, best player on the floor for 15 minutes by far.
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Danny Parkins
Absolutely, absolutely. And like, and people would want to pay to see it. Like, people out here in New York, when they were playing the Knicks and the Nets back to back, it was like, hey, I haven't taken my kid to see LeBron. Like, it was like the talk of the office. And like, multiple people went, hey, they got. We can still get our kid. Like, my kid has seen LeBron, he's six. Like, it's unbelievable what you think about just like the range of years, years that, you know, you've been able to, like the generations that have been able to see this guy. What I just am. I don't know what LeBron is going to do. Obviously, I have no real connection into his camp in any way, shape or form. I just will be floored if he just ups and retires. Like, if he just says, I'm done. I.
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Podcast Narrator
He.
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Danny Parkins
It's. I think he will want the farewell tour. Like every city, people talking about it. He's a, he loves the attention. He's a showman. I don't, I don't judge him for it. So I don't, I don't know if he's going to give us four more years of it, even though he clearly physically could. But I don't think, you know, he was asked at the all star press conference Today, again, we're recording this on a Sunday, you know, like, do you, are you closer to knowing yet? And he was like, when I know, you'll know, right? We'll see. I think you're going to say, I, I think he's going to go to Cleveland and, and end there. I think, I think he's going to go play for the Cavs next year. And, and that, and that'll be the, the sign off that he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll end where it started. He's a. So much of this has been about. It feels like he's almost filming a documentary. Like, like the Bronnie stuff we've talked about. Like, felt like a 5, 10 minute portion of the LeBron doc. And if he ends in Cleveland, I think it would be pretty cinematic.
- [37:37]
Colin Cowherd
By the way, I am strongly recommending you watch the Amazon prime doc and the ABA there.
- [37:42]
Danny Parkins
I'll watch it.
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Colin Cowherd
I'll watch it. I'm old and I knew about half of it. When you see that.
- [37:47]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, no, I. Absolutely, I'll eat it up. Absolutely.
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Colin Cowherd
Because there's just a lot of things about race and it reminds you a little of live tour in the pga. Like basically, basically the ABA said, okay, let's go steal their best player. They stole. The MVP of the league was Rick Barry. They stole it. Can you imagine? It feels like, Liv, the difference, Bryson.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, it's like, let's go get Brooks Koepka. Let's go get Rory McElroy. Okay, we couldn't get Rory. We got Brooks. Brooks circles back. It's just when you watch it, it gives you, it contextualizes a lot of the live PGA stuff where when you get these upstart businesses. When Uber went after taxis and eventually killed them, they were sued in San Francisco. It's a great book. I mean, Uber got sued multiple times by taxi associations. It's like, listen, lives got oil money. But in the end, you know, I mean, the Masters isn't run by the pga. The US Open is it the British Open. And it's like, there's a hole in this thing. Let's give it a run. So, yeah, it's, you know, this week a story came out and Josh Pate does some stuff for us. He's really smart and he said, listen, Pete Tammel wrote an article on a 24 team college football playoff.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I said, my favorite part of it. I don't know if the number's right. I've said maybe 16 feels right. My Favorite part is it reduces the importance of the committee. Like at some point, like, you know, oh, TCU didn't get in, we're all going to sleep at night. 12, you get in. I mean Miami almost didn't get in and they could have easily won the Natty. But. But I wonder because I love college football and you grew up more of an NFL guy and so did Nick Wright. But here's what's interesting. People really claimed, well, the college football regular season, it just won't mean as much. And then I watched Ohio State Michigan play and I watched myself over the last two years because I thought to myself, that's the criticism of college football in the playoff. And I watched more because my take is I kind of wanted to see like I watched Miami when they went, I saw Miami play SMU half. You know, I watch a lot of halves of games. And a lot of times what we complain about, we are in a grievance society is that college football regular season ratings up. Actually the College Football playoff ratings have been hit and miss because we're not used to it.
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Danny Parkins
But yeah, different days. Yeah, that's right.
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Colin Cowherd
You expand to 24. It helps November, which is kind of a dead period mid November. So now November gets good, December's good, the committee doesn't mean as much. And Miami and Indiana felt like the NFL. It honestly did well.
- [40:34]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, listen, Miami, Indiana was incredible, but I think that would have been incredible.
- [40:42]
Colin Cowherd
But my point is, because of the transfer portal, you had so many pros on the field for both teams, two NFL quarterbacks. And because now the Danny, the rosters are older. So when I watch Miami and India, Miami's running half zone, half man to man. You get 23 year old, 24 year old guys, not 19, 20 year old guys. So what's happening to college football is. Oh, it's more like the NFL, which is like saying, you know, back in the 80s, I've got a prelude. It's more like a Mercedes that's a loss. The quality is better saying college football is more like the NFL. I see the ratings. We push back because we think there's a big separation. What makes college football great, Danny, is that of all the college sports, it looks athletically most like its professional counterpart. And now more so because guys are clearly staying in college not one year, but two years when they could be six round picks. So my take is 24 teams. The initial response is, whoa. If I told you your $27,000 car was more like a $77,000 car, you'd be like, Absolutely. College has become 40 to 50% pro football. And I don't know what's the downside of that?
- [42:02]
Danny Parkins
Well, listen, I think that if that ends up being the case, it's just going to take people a long time to like years to understand it because we work in the business. You maybe know it a little bit better than I do. I. How much is this guy making from Nil? How much is this guy making from Nil? Is it legal? Is there a cap? How does it work? Who's. It's. It is new. It is confusing. And I think that if we get to 24 teams and the playoff starts in November. So how long is the regular season? Well, eight games. Six games?
- [42:38]
Colin Cowherd
Well, it would eliminate. So what it would really eliminate is these silly conference championships. I don't want Miami Ohio State play or Ohio State Michigan playing three times. They play in the regular season. If they met again, that's fine. I don't want them playing three times. I don't want. And I'm Ohio State Michigan. I'm just throwing that out. I don't want a big rivalry game. I don't want anybody in college football playing for a third time.
- [43:05]
Danny Parkins
And so that happens in the NFL.
- [43:08]
Colin Cowherd
Infrequently does feels a little different.
- [43:12]
Danny Parkins
But I'm just, I'm just saying like it's, it's, it's a. It's an interesting. Like they're going to play forever and these conferences are so big that, you know, USC is playing Rutgers in volleyball. It's like that's just. Is so football and basketball should have their own thing and everything else should be geographical. And then I think it would start to make a little bit more sense to the rest of us.
- [43:38]
Colin Cowherd
NFL, you play three times, you've only got 32 teams. College football, you have 135. So it's much more rare in college than pro than you would face three times or four times.
- [43:48]
Danny Parkins
Sure. No question. Divisions and fewer teams, all of those reasons. I just. College football is clearly going through. Everything changed at once because they got so late to they. No, we're going to suspend you for tattoos, we're going to suspend you for selling your jersey, we're going to suspend you for autographs. It's all illegal. And then in an instant everything became legal and then that wasn't regulated at all. And. But it's a wildly popular sport and so like more football is good.
- [44:18]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [44:18]
Danny Parkins
Like I am here for more football. We've talked about this before. Am I a little bit more Bothered that like Notre Dame and USC won't play. I am a little bothered by it, I think because I think you talked earlier about events like I want, I want, I want games to matter. I want to care about games. So a couple years ago when Michigan, Ohio State happens and you know Michigan wins and Ohio State loses, but then Ohio State wins the national championship, I'm like, man, back in my day that would have eliminated Ohio State from the national championship and then they go on and win it. So is that good? Well, I guess because that means they won the championship. Or does that mean Michigan fans care a lot about Michigan Ohio State? Ohio State fans care a lot about it. But I have to care a little bit less because it's, that was not an elimination game anymore. And I will admit, like it makes me care about it a little less because it's like I can just tune in for the playoffs like we were talking about in the NBA. You can just tune in for the playoffs. I don't want that to happen to college football.
- [45:19]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, see I, my argument is the ratings are showing that it's not happening. Is that people.
- [45:24]
Danny Parkins
But we did, we just love football though. We just love football. And so anything that results in more football we are going to watch betting football. And half, we are addicted to football.
- [45:32]
Colin Cowherd
Half of college football fans went to the school. You don't have that in the NFL. Right. You're rooting for a. No doubt a jersey or a team in college. If you went to Iowa, you watch Iowa games. So the pushback is I won't care as much. Nonsense. You've been watching an average Iowa team for 35 years and they've been average. So now you have a chance to get into the playoff. So that's my take on 24 teams.
- [45:53]
Danny Parkins
No, the question is would I care as much okay. If I didn't go to Iowa and I didn't go to Michigan or Ohio State? Am I less likely to watch Michigan, Ohio State if I have no allegiance to it? So that's, I think, I think that is a worthwhile question.
- [46:08]
Podcast Narrator
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
Who does that?
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Podcast Narrator
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Colin Cowherd
I wouldn't do it alone.
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Podcast Narrator
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Colin Cowherd
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Podcast Narrator
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Colin Cowherd
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Podcast Narrator
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
Take him away from here.
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Colin Cowherd
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Podcast Narrator
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Danny Parkins
I do remember the mustache. I will get a p. I will give him a meme of that mustache. Like, every, like, six days, somebody would be like, what was this?
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Podcast Narrator
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think a gigantic part of college football fans went to the school and so like I just ran into some Purdue people the other day and they're like, they've been watching an average product forever. Now they're going to watch it less? Well, no, they're going to watch it more because they could get into a 2014 playoff, meaning a four lost team is going to get in. So to me, sports is like.
- [51:23]
Danny Parkins
The.
- [51:23]
Colin Cowherd
Longer you can keep people interested. I mean, I think we forget five years ago it was Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and we knew it by October 8th.
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Danny Parkins
Right. That, no question. But like, do we need, do we need James Madison to play Oregon?
- [51:44]
Colin Cowherd
They're playing anyway. Now we just push it to the end of the season, not the beginning. They're playing anyway because these colleges all need a seventh or eighth home game.
- [51:52]
Danny Parkins
So, okay, but, so, but, but we're calling, we're calling it a, we're calling it a playoff game and one team's favored by four touchdowns.
- [51:59]
Colin Cowherd
The reason you're going to have that is because nobody wants to get sued. The NCAA is toothless. They don't want to get sued by these conferences. So you're going to have again, I go back and say it sounds like a bigger problem than it is. The first round you're going to have four games that are just brutal. Every six, fifth or six year you'll get a Boise State over Oklahoma. You will get an upset. Eventually you'll get one. Some really good team will be dinged up. Some low end James Madison will have like a second round NFL quarterback and a clever young Chip Kelly coach. And they'll knock him off and everybody will be like, oh, this is magic. I've said this for years, Danny March Madness. 1 seeds, 2 seeds, 3 seeds, occasional 4 seeds. This whole thing, 16s, 15s 4. They don't win games. It's mythology. So we, and, and especially now, I.
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Danny Parkins
I think it's going to be a, like what happened last year. Like, I, I think I'm interested to see if the gambling odds reflect it. Like that the teams at the top. Because the teams at the top of college basketball are so Damn good. Like, UConn is awesome.
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Colin Cowherd
Michigan.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, they're, they're, they're so good. Even Illinois, like the ones in the two seeds. It feels like the, the elite eight could just be ones and two seats. Like it, it feels like it's going in a direction where it's going to be a little, it's going to be a lot chalkier.
- [53:19]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I actually, I'm very optimistic about sports in general. I have not watched more baseball in the last two years. I mean, I'm, I'm glued to it. All the teams I care about are big. I think college sports, because the nil and transfer portal. I think you end the playoffs, you have a broader pool of teams. I care. I watched more college football in November this year. I mean, I, I, I monitored myself and I'm like, I wouldn't watch these games because none of these teams are going anywhere. They're going sun bowl now. It's like they may get in. I mean, I watched seven Ole Miss games. I never, like, what am I doing? What kind of life?
- [53:54]
Danny Parkins
I mean, don't you think that's just the product of like, I mean, a, it's partly evolution. Athletes are getting better, we're getting smarter sports, science and all of it. But there is so much money in all of these sports. Like who? Carson Beck. Right. They asked him at the press conference. They're like, you know, what classes do you go to? He's like, I graduated two years ago. Like, he's, he's a millionaire playing college football in his early 20s, not having to go to school. He's got a professional quarterback coach. He's got a, he's got a trainer. He, you know what I mean? He's a professional athlete. He just happens to be playing college sports. So I Think it raises the level of all of it. Like, we just. Like the golfers, you know, I'm watching the Pebble Beach. Pebble Beach Pro Am today. Scotty Scheffler had a bad opening round, almost won the damn thing. Shoots a 63 on Sunday. He's unbelievable. He's the best player since Tiger. He's. It's insane how good he is. Like, just like, generally speaking, across the board, the. The athletic talent seems to be as high as it's ever been.
- [54:55]
Colin Cowherd
And let's end it with this, because I think this is interesting. The knock on Scheffler is not that interesting. Right. He. He's. He's got a lot.
- [55:02]
Danny Parkins
Not if you like golf. I love watching him.
- [55:03]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, but he does not have a big personality.
- [55:05]
Danny Parkins
Yeah.
- [55:06]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And what have we said about, you know, the NBA? The players sometimes seem disinterested. A reality of athletes across all sports. The richer you get, the tedious is not as. Is not as consumable. And the truth is with some of these golfers, they can play like eight tournaments. And I mean, they're so rich. Private jet that there's, you know, the NBA, Michael Jordan talks about. They were all fighting for tiny slices of pie. The ABA where they were getting. I mean, there's literally in this aba, Doc, Danny, they're getting in fistfights. And why? Because people are like, this is their last chance to be professional basketball players. They were. It was like the, you know, it was like the Coliseum. It was brutal. There's guys laying on the floor, like, look like they're unconscious. And so we're going to have to own this. The downside of athletes getting richer is to a percentage of them. And maybe it's not a large percentage, but they get other interests. They fall in love with other stuff. They are athletically gifted, but they don't care as much. And they're not fighting over a piece of pie. When college kids come, I mean, Caleb Williams comes into the NFL as a multimillionaire. Thank God. He is so passionate, coachable and intense. Our football players, for whatever reason, still, all of them seem to care to a point. They're like, they're obsessed. And I think something we have to come to terms with is that a. If you have a big personality and say the wrong thing, the media and social media platforms kick the shit out of you. So players are now boring. Players don't want to get ripped. KD is the rare athlete that will go back and forth. Most of them hide. And the second thing is they're, they're generationally wealthy and that does things to people. You know, you're not fighting when you wait. You know, it's like the old Marvin Hagler line. It's hard to.
- [57:09]
Danny Parkins
Everyone's got a plan is to get punched in the mouth or.
- [57:11]
Colin Cowherd
No, the one where it's like when you're waking up in silk sheets, it's hard to get up for the 4:00am jog.
- [57:16]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, yeah. No, that was Tyson that I just did.
- [57:19]
Colin Cowherd
So I think that's part of the growth and the reality of this generational wealth and college players getting paid. You're going to get this percentage of some players that don't give a shit as much.
- [57:30]
Danny Parkins
Yeah. And listen, I don't even think that it's. I don't see like not caring as a huge issue in, in sports like I do they ratchet it up for the playoffs. Yes, of course, yes. But like, but like, but some of that I think is just. The sport is hard. Like, you know, you have to, you have to pace yourself that you're playing 82 basketball games and running multiple miles a day and chasing around Steph Curry and LeBron and Wemby. It's like, it's a difficult thing to do. So like, some of it is just preservation for the human body to save it for the playoffs.
- [58:11]
Colin Cowherd
The WNBA screws up. They don't call anything in the regular season. Their players all get hurt. The playoffs show up and half the starters are banged up.
- [58:20]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, they gotta fix that.
- [58:21]
Colin Cowherd
The NBA is like, listen, we're not, we're gonna call everything, slow the game down. But in the playoffs, I mean, we saw guys, stars get hurt in the playoffs. The WNBA screws it up. So many people get hurt going. I mean, WNBA officiating is bad. And I'm not consumer one. You can turn it on for 10 minutes. It's because, remember, they also don't jump over each other. It is a horizontal game. It's the, it was chippy 10 years ago. Nobody watched.
- [58:50]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it is very physical whenever you watch. And the, the officiating is, I mean, like, officiating in the pros is pretty damn good. You go a level below the pros, you notice it. Like you notice it in college basketball. You notice it in the, in the wnba. But yeah, listen, these guys all have, I mean, Caleb Williams entered the NFL and he had a charitable foundation, his own. He is a businessman, you know, like Bryson. Now, obviously he's made a ton of money from Liv. And he's made a ton of money from winning golf tournaments, but he legit. He said he might be able to make as much money from YouTube Golf as he could the Tour. And obviously I haven't seen his books, but I have seen some of his YouTube stuff. It's wildly popular.
- [59:37]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Danny Parkins
With tens of millions of views like his. Like, you know, shoot the. Whatever they call it the under 50 series or shoot 50 series, where they play from the front tees with a partner on a scramble. It's so entertaining. So, like, these guys have a lot of ways to make money.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, also the Rory McElroy win and it's. It's the Masters, it's his 17th try. I feel like we got more of those in golf years ago. You like, it felt like in the 70s, if you won a tournament, you pumped your fist. Right. You beat Jack.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, right.
- [60:11]
Colin Cowherd
And then came the Tiger thing. And Tiger was just a cultural phenomena and there was a lot of Phil Mickelsons and around, and Tiger was just naturally competitive. So he pumped a fist. There was no YouTube. You didn't have other ways. I mean, he had the Nike Golf Association. But I feel like that these golfers now can make so much money doing so many things. I'm not getting as many pump your fist moments or. Or moments when I'm watching Rory at Augusta and I'm like, I watched every moment Sunday I didn't leave the tv. I had. I was like, okay, commercial run, get. You know.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And so I do feel a little bit like pro sports sometimes. I golf. I feel like years ago, the pump fist ratio, the purses pre Tiger were smaller. It really mattered if you want Tom Kite could beat Jack Nick. It really mattered for your net worth and your comfort. I think those days are. Especially with guys going to live now some will parachute back. I just think there's so much money with these golfers. It. The purses are big.
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Danny Parkins
It.
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Colin Cowherd
There's not as many pump your fist moments where I'm. Where it's palpable for me as a viewer. I know they're going to eat either way and fly a private jetty.
- [61:25]
Danny Parkins
Well, they're definitely going to. Yeah, they're definitely going to eat. They all. You watch the no swing thing on or full swing on Netflix, and it's like, yeah, like everybody has a private jet, and it's either the one that they pay for or the one that they put like a little patch on their shirt and then they get the jet for free. So, yeah, they're all flying And I forget which golfer it was that said it. But like he's like, yeah, you know, like my game isn't like dialed in right now. This course doesn't fit for me. Like at a pre rounds press conference was a couple years ago, I forget who it was. People could look it up and they're like, man, he's like, yeah, like I, he's like, realistically, he's like, I don't have any shot to win this golf tournament. And so the reporter asked the follow up question. He goes, so why'd you show up? And he goes, because they give out a shitload of money for 20th. It's like, it's like, yeah, man, you can fly there in a private jet and probably bank 300k for finishing 16th. Like, it's, it's a, it's a really, really, really good way to spend a weekend.
- [62:19]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I still love the majors. I love the British Open. I love the US Open especially.
- [62:23]
Danny Parkins
Oh, it's all, listen, I'm a golf nut. I love it all. But yeah, but, yeah, but again, it's, it's just. But events, right? The majors, the Players Championship. Oh, Scheffler is making a charge on Sunday at Pebble. Like to get. It gets you to, it gets you to tune it on. And when you don't have something like that, we have so many different options that it's harder to capture the consumer's attention like I used to as a kid. And you, you change like as a kid, the NBA All Star Game. Partly because I went to the one in Cleveland in 1997 with my dad. And so I'm 11 years old and it was the NBA at 50 and all the stars. I think the NBA All Star game was like, I was like, this is the coolest thing in the world. Vince Carter's in the dunk contest, Kobe's in the dunk contest. Like all my guys when I was a kid. And then you grow up and you're like, oh, all right, it's not for me anymore. Yeah, you outgrow it.
- [63:12]
Colin Cowherd
By the way, you know where the dunk contest started? The aba. The three point shot.
- [63:18]
Danny Parkins
The ABA innovation. But again, and I, I do really think, and I know Adam Silver wasn't asked quite about. He was asked a lot of things at that press conference. But the in season turn, they should change the rules for the in season.
- [63:31]
Colin Cowherd
I think it's interesting.
- [63:32]
Danny Parkins
Like, like aggressively tinker with your product and. But make the games count. Like you don't need to do it in the G League. Like just these players are smart. They'll, they can.
- [63:42]
Colin Cowherd
Baseball has the advantage. They do it in the minor leagues.
- [63:46]
Danny Parkins
They have a huge advantage with being able to.
- [63:47]
Colin Cowherd
So they use the pitch clock for. I sat next to a GM in Richmond. Yeah, I was flying cross country. It was the GM of the Richmond. We talked to him. He goes, oh yeah, we've been on this pitch clock for two years. He said it will take 20 minutes off a game. And it was like almost 30. So he's like, it's great. It speeds it up. He goes, I'm a baseball guy, but it's funny. Go YouTube. Now it's the Cubs. So you love them dearly. But, but go YouTube. The Cubs, Cleveland World Series. Watch how slow baseball is.
- [64:16]
Danny Parkins
It's like, oh no, listen, man, I remember that. That is one of the most tense sporting events of my entire life. So like I, I was like in the rain delay in game seven, I was like, this game could last 19 hours and I would be locked in. But, but, but yeah, I, I, I've always said I had a real love hate relationship with baseball because one of 162 is just meaningless.
- [64:37]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [64:38]
Danny Parkins
And so they needed to do things. They have to their credit, they've done a great job.
- [64:43]
Colin Cowherd
Great job, Danny, as always, Colin, great job by you.
- [64:48]
Danny Parkins
The volume.
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