Covino & Rich - Caitlin Clark Backlash

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Covino & Rich - Caitlin Clark Backlash"

Introduction

In the June 28, 2025 episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, hosted by Covino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio, the conversation delves deep into the ongoing backlash against WNBA star Caitlin Clark. While the episode starts with general banter about the weekend and sports, it soon pivots to a critical analysis of the dynamics surrounding Clark's prominence in the league.

Sports Fan Participation Debate

Before addressing the main topic, Covino and Rich engage in a lively debate about whether avid sports fans actively participate in sports themselves. Covino argues that many fans do engage in recreational sports as a form of exercise and personal joy. He states, "A lot of people do because that's their exercise, that's their joy" ([05:17]). Conversely, Iowa Sam expresses surprise that despite deep involvement in sports analysis, many fans might not play sports actively: "I'm just saying if you're a sports fan so much... I'm just shocked that a lot of people don't actually play sports" ([06:00]).

This discussion underscores the hosts' belief in the multifaceted relationship fans have with sports, balancing passive viewership with active participation.

The Main Topic: Caitlin Clark and WNBA Backlash

Overview

The heart of the episode centers on Sophie Cunningham's comments regarding Caitlin Clark and the Indiana Fever's struggles. Cunningham mentioned, "We're circled on everyone's schedule. No one likes us" ([17:24]). This statement has sparked widespread discussion about the negative sentiments within the WNBA towards Clark and her team.

Reasons for Backlash

Covino and Rich dissect the possible reasons behind the Fever being "circled" on schedules and the apparent dislike from other teams. Covino suggests, "If you're reaching for greatness and you're achieving the way Caitlin Clark is, it just screams of envy" ([18:53]). They explore the idea that Clark's exceptional performance places her and the Fever in the spotlight, making them a target for other teams striving to prove themselves against the best.

Rich adds depth to this perspective by highlighting the dual nature of competition and jealousy: "It's a combination of those things. There is a jealousy... But also there's a big layer of... it's an attention test" ([21:23]).

Impact on the League

The hosts discuss how Clark's prominence can be a double-edged sword for the WNBA. On one hand, her performance draws attention and elevates the league's profile. On the other, it breeds resentment and increased competition, as teams schedule difficult matchups against her to gain visibility. Covino emphasizes, "Whether you like it or not, they're the ones they're trying to beat" ([25:00]).

They also touch upon the broader implications for female athletes in predominantly male-dominated sports circuits. A caller aptly summarizes, "There's so few spots for women to be praised in any circuit that's dominated by men... it's NOT a women thing, it's a people thing" ([31:39]).

Comparative Analysis

Drawing parallels to other sports figures, the hosts compare Clark's situation to that of Michael Jordan in his early days—where exceptional talent draws both admiration and intense rivalry. Covino remarks, "To be the player on the court with the target on your back because you're the champ" ([25:00]), highlighting how being the best can make one a focal point of competition and scrutiny.

Conclusion

Covino and Rich conclude that while Caitlin Clark's success brings challenges, it also propels the WNBA into greater prominence. They advocate embracing the attention and using it as a catalyst for the league's growth, despite the internal rivalries it may foster. Covino aptly summarizes, "Whatever lights your fire, man. Whatever gets you fired up and motivated" ([29:19]).

The episode wraps up with brief mentions of other sports news, maintaining the engaging and analytical tone that listeners have come to expect from The Herd with Colin Cowherd.

Notable Quotes:

• Covino on sports participation: “A lot of people do because that’s their exercise, that’s their joy” ([05:17]).
• Iowa Sam on sports fans playing sports: “I’m just saying if you’re a sports fan so much... I’m just shocked that a lot of people don’t actually play sports” ([06:00]).
• Covino on envy towards Clark: “If you’re reaching for greatness and you’re achieving the way Caitlin Clark is, it just screams of envy” ([18:53]).
• Rich on the nature of competition: “It’s a combination of those things. There is a jealousy... But also there’s a big layer of... it’s an attention test” ([21:23]).
• Covino on being the target: “Whether you like it or not, they’re the ones they’re trying to beat” ([25:00]).
• Caller on women's support dynamics: “There’s so few spots for women to be praised in any circuit that’s dominated by men... it’s NOT a women thing, it’s a people thing” ([31:39]).
• Covino on embracing attention: “Whatever lights your fire, man. Whatever gets you fired up and motivated” ([29:19]).

This detailed exploration provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the discussions surrounding Caitlin Clark's impact on the WNBA, capturing the essence of Covino and Rich's insightful analysis.

Transcript

[Covino]

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[Covino]

Thanks for listening to the Covino Enrich podcast.

[Iowa Sam]

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[Covino]

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[Iowa Sam]

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[Covino]

After all these years, we know a little something, a little bit of everything, a lot of nothing. Covino and Rich Fox Sports Radio Hey, Friday, Friday, Friday.

[Spot]

Today's Friday.

[Covino]

Officially here.

[Iowa Sam]

I could get down with a little Friday action.

[Covino]

Let's go. Thursday's the new Friday. But Friday is still Friday.

[Iowa Sam]

Today's Friday.

[Covino]

Pumped about the weekend. Chavez Jr. Jake Paul fight weekend.

[Iowa Sam]

And hey, listen, you have a nice weekend next week. A short week into the Fourth of July.

[Covino]

Oh, yeah.

[Iowa Sam]

Where everyone says the same thing every year. Ooh. Ah. It was better last year.

[Covino]

Fireworks were better last year. Is that the finale? Let's be rocking out. Hell, yeah.

[Iowa Sam]

Is it over? Is that it?

[Covino]

So pumped to be here. Glorious Friday. Broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studio. You can stream this show, all of our Fox sports radio shows, live 24. 7 on the new and improved iHeartradio app. Just search Fox Fox Sports Radio in the app to stream us live. And the newest feature on the app, you can make us number one on your preset, just like in your car. By the way, good to see you, Iowa. Sam, on the ones and twos.

[Iowa Sam]

Hi, Sammy.

[Covino]

We got super producer Danny G. Always holding it down. The smoothest, most buttery voice in all the land. It's not Barry White, it's Danny G. Happy Friday. Hell, yeah. 87799 on Fox. And always delight to see the great monsieur with your updates.

[Monty]

Hi, guys. Happy Friday.

[Iowa Sam]

Friday, Friday, Friday. Today's Friday.

[Covino]

Thank you guys for getting involved with us.

[Caller]

Cheesy over there.

[Covino]

I am.

[Iowa Sam]

I have not heard a Bill Belichick update in a minute. I heard Sam play the Friday. Today's Friday. But when was the last time you heard from Bill Belichick and his girlfriend?

[Covino]

I don't know. Pablo Torre is probably talking about it as we speak.

[Iowa Sam]

Pablo Torre is naked in his room thinking about it. That guy's obsessed. He's the guy.

[Covino]

That's le. I mean, God bless him, Bill Belichick. Yeah, I say that respectfully. But, yeah, he's the guy all about it. So I don't know. Let me DM him. We'll find out. Maybe we'll get an update.

[Iowa Sam]

Well, we got a lot to get to today. We're going to talk about the Harpers, the basketball family. Lily drafted Dylan and his dad, Ron.

[Monty]

I wonder why.

[Iowa Sam]

There's a Cal Raleigh story We're going to talk about Sophie Cunningham and Caitlin Clark. But I got to ask you real quick, out the gate as we get our Friday show started, we talk about sports every day. We talk to the Fox Sports Radio Nation. People from the east coast, west coast, different countries, different states.

[Caller]

Don't forget the middle of the country.

[Iowa Sam]

Middle America, bro. Middle Earth. If you're such a sports fan, do you need to at least play some sport? Be somewhat active?

[Covino]

No. Derek Jeter loves sports more than you said. He hasn't swung a bat in 10 years.

[Monty]

That's not a good example.

[Covino]

How is he Retired athlete? He built his whole life in sports.

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah, but that's a terrible example.

[Covino]

That's a terrible example. How is that a terrible example?

[Monty]

Because it's not what he's talking about.

[Covino]

Who loves sports more than a guy that built his whole life in sports?

[Caller]

I got you.

[Covino]

I got you.

[Monty]

Sorry.

[Iowa Sam]

He doesn't get it.

[Monty]

He doesn't get it.

[Covino]

I don't get it because I live in a world of competing in things that matter, you know, I'm not wasting my time doing recreational nonsense. I don't get it.

[Iowa Sam]

It's called hobbies, dude.

[Covino]

I mean, if you're not hobbies. My hobbies is doing radio. I love that. But it's also my hobby. You know, I didn't get into this because it was a job. I got into it because I love it. So that's my hobby.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm talking about like a hobby though, bro.

[Covino]

I love it. Playing goofy intramural sports was something I did when I was in my 20s for fun.

[Iowa Sam]

But I'm saying a lot of adults.

[Covino]

Don'T have that time or mental energy for that sort of thing.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm just saying if you're downtown, if you're a sports fan and you watch every day and you're analyzing the NBA, wnba, baseball, football, basketball, you're so involved. I'm just shocked that a lot of people don't actually play sports. Golf, tennis, softball, volleyball, pickup basketball.

[Covino]

A lot of people do because that's their exercise, that's their joy.

[Iowa Sam]

That's why people.

[Caller]

Yeah, you do it when you can. Not in an organized way where you have to make a commitment.

[Covino]

Yeah, this guy's like calling me up on a Wednesday night on his ride home from a softball game at 10:00pm, like, no, thanks.

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah, but I'm like, if you love sports so much, I'm shocked that more people.

[Covino]

You know what I love more than that? Don't play chilling on a. On a Wednesday night.

[Iowa Sam]

So chillin is what you prefer?

[Covino]

Yeah, because my mental energy is going to the next day of work. You're spreading yourself thin. That's how I feel about it.

[Iowa Sam]

But life's not about work.

[Covino]

If you love what you do, which I do. I don't know about you.

[Iowa Sam]

Don't be one dimensional.

[Covino]

Balance, Daniel, Son. Balance. It's not. I mean, spot, you know, where I just came from, the gym. So that's my exercise. Sure about that? So, yeah, pretty sure. Look what I'm wearing. Yeah. And I just saw the boss as I was leaving the gym, and I was nice and sweaty, and I gave him a nice, sweaty hug.

[Caller]

Gross.

[Covino]

I think, you know, hey, man, I'm in my late 40s. I had my glory in my 20s, 30s. My fulfillment comes from achieving things as a parent. Watching my nephews play sports, excelling in my career, hitting a goofy softball home run doesn't have that same thrill or importance to me as it did when I was a younger guy, because that's when it mattered what happened to me. The phrase work hard, play hard, play hard means, hey, I'm going to Bahamas next month. See you there. I'm not trying to, like, play recreational song.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm just saying we all love sports so much. I'm just shocked that. But people do love sports so much.

[Covino]

But a lot of people do, so I don't know where you're getting this from. There's so many dudes that play pickleball or beach volleyball or pick up basketball. Like, there's plenty of golf.

[Caller]

My cousin just started golf.

[Covino]

Yeah. I mean, because that's fun for them, and they need that sort of release. My work is fun. I don't need. I'm not stressed out in that way where I need to escape the way some people do.

[Iowa Sam]

Monte, you play sports?

[Monty]

I do, yeah.

[Iowa Sam]

What do you play?

[Monty]

Right now I'm playing volleyball, but in my life, I've played other sports.

[Covino]

I'm also, like, 15 years older than her with the kid and three other jobs. So you expect me to be living her life? You're out of your mind.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm just saying Spot does yoga.

[Covino]

I was just at the gym. What are you talking about? So stay active. Hell, yeah. Go take a walk. Take your dog for a walk. Just spend time with your kids. How about you stay home? How about you take your kid to get some ice cream or something?

[Caller]

Does kid corralling count? Yeah, Rich, if you have a toddler.

[Covino]

Busy people are exhausted. People have real lives. I don't think my parents were worried about, like, playing beach volleyball when they had five kids.

[Caller]

Listen, if Rich did not burn off some of that extra energy, you don't know what he'd be like.

[Covino]

Yeah, he's like a chihuahua that needs a walk. Not everyone. Yeah, some people like to relax a little bit. I think you're undermining the importance of chilling. And I Don't know. Enjoying the home you paid for. You have a pool in your house. Enjoy that in the house. You have to go. You have to. You have to go.

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah.

[Covino]

He's like Francis Buxton.

[Caller]

The files are in the computer.

[Covino]

He has a pool in his house. But anyway, you know, Richard saying, if you love sports so much, why don't you play sports? I think there's a lot of people that do. A lot of people that.

[Iowa Sam]

I just want to throw it out there because I see everyone on this network and other networks.

[Covino]

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

[Iowa Sam]

But the best.

[Covino]

Dan Beyer plays golf all the time. Monsie plays softball and every. She's in a million different leagues. She's playing Ultimate Frisbee tonight, probably.

[Caller]

She plays cricket.

[Covino]

Yeah. Danny G. Has 12 kids. Where does he have time to do that?

[Iowa Sam]

He's got a kickball game later.

[Covino]

Iowa. Sam.

[Caller]

I play pocket pool.

[Covino]

Yeah, there you go. Spot is a yoga master. Like, what do you expect? What do you want people to do? We are adults, you know, Time is limited. That's how I feel about it. It's. What do you choose to do in your spare time?

[Iowa Sam]

Hey, dude. Sorry I brought it up.

[Covino]

Well, I'm just trying to figure out where it came from.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm just saying, it's. We every day, you know, brainstorm topics, ideas. We overanalyze and have so much fun talking about sports. I would just imagine that you have that same level of interest in playing sports for a guy that talks about his 27 Little League home runs and how you look.

[Covino]

I think I look like a young, spry, handsome Latino man, but you think I have the same energy that I had in my 20s and 30s. You're out of your mind. You act like my birthday's next month. You always talk about how you like on my downtime. I want to, like, relax.

[Iowa Sam]

You talk about how you're the youngest guy in this network. You're acting like you're Big Mike, who runs this place? Who? What, does he have, like, eight hip replays with who?

[Monty]

Something like that?

[Covino]

No, but that's why I. Could I not just come back from the gym? I'm sorry. It's not like I'm sitting home being lazy all the time.

[Caller]

Mike did competitive power slapping before it became a thing he did.

[Covino]

And by the way, I just found out today that he was his high school heavyweight arm wrestling champion.

[Caller]

So, Mike, he was the guy from over the top? Yeah, the guy taking on Sly.

[Iowa Sam]

He's the one that Sly beat in the second scene.

[Covino]

I think there's an in between phase of life where you can't really play pickup basketball the way you used to and you're not quite ready for the golf course. Even though I think that's probably my next step. So, I mean, no one's canceling out on that. But I think my focus is excelling in my career and when I'm sort of where I want to be. Yeah, I have time to dip away and hit the course, you know, pick up a pickleball paddle. But I don't find the importance the way some people do because my life is fun. Some people need to get away and get out of the house. You got two rugrats at home, so I could see you wanting to get out. I got a teenage daughter. I co parent. Life is not as stressful as you think, even though I do have an ex I got to deal with too. But you know, my job, My job is fun. So this is my outlet. That's how I feel about it. And some people are just busy, bro. Busy with life.

[Caller]

Get off Covino's back. Come on.

[Covino]

I don't know if he's on my.

[Caller]

Back or I don't know who tell anymore.

[Covino]

Yeah, I don't know either. I'm trying to figure out where it came from.

[Iowa Sam]

It just came from. Just the simple idea, you know what I actually thought of. We were at our big event. We had hundreds of people at Atomic Golf in Vegas. And I'm walking around, I'm like, some of these people have never swung a golf club yet. They're all sports fans and haven't swung.

[Covino]

Golf club since I was like 20 something years old.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm saying, is that for just such a. For people that are so passionate about sports, I'm saying the general public. I feel like so many people watch but don't actually participate.

[Caller]

Well, think about movies and shows like we're passionate about that stuff and we've never, I mean, except for Covino, we've never been on TV shows.

[Iowa Sam]

I, I look at it this way, Danny, all of us.

[Covino]

I'm using my mental energy to do stuff that matters to me.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm just.

[Covino]

And pertains to my career. Hitting a softball bomb does nothing for my confidence and nothing for my, Me personally. If it does for you, that's fine. But I'm trying to answer that question.

[Iowa Sam]

We talk about how sports was such a big part of our childhood, how nothing was more, nothing was more fun than playing little league, wiffle ball, high school football, you know, basketball at the park, you know, all these things. I just find it funny how we all sort of like stopped. Not all of us.

[Covino]

I'm saying I love pizza, but I don't make it. I just buy it and eat it.

[Caller]

Well, we're going to revisit this when we get to the MLB Home Run Derby. Yeah, it's a good story there, too.

[Iowa Sam]

And by the way, we're going to be there this year. So I'm very excited.

[Caller]

Yeah. Yeah. We're going to have the details on Monday afternoon show.

[Covino]

Let's, let's just open it up then.

[Iowa Sam]

Eight City Seven.

[Covino]

I mean Atlanta, here we come, 877-99-on Fox. I love boxing. I've never been in a boxing gym in my life. Well, to work out. Right.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm just saying I'm done.

[Covino]

If you love sports and I imagine you do, you're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Why don't you play sports? And the answer is probably, I don't know, dude, because I'm 50 something and like I'm tired.

[Iowa Sam]

You're 50 something?

[Covino]

I'm saying for the most, the majority of our audience, I don't know because I'm living my life and I got to wake up for work the next day.

[Caller]

Even our younger listeners, like my sons that are both in college right now, they don't do sports anymore because they're out of that part of their life. They played high school sports. They're not playing collegiately.

[Covino]

I don't want to, I feel like I've had my glory there and I'm trying to recapture or capture glory or recapture that same feeling doing things that matter to me now. Those things don't matter to me now.

[Caller]

I think we go through phases, though, because, Rich, I was in that same Balboa league you're in eight years ago when I was single and didn't have a family. Now I have step kids and my own little kid. So there's no time, like literally I couldn't carve out time to play in a league.

[Covino]

And you think anyone loves sports more than Danny?

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah, no, I just, you know what it's like, you know how. I'll give you the example. Video games. There was a time in college where I said, you know what, I think I'm done with video games because I cared way more about booty and getting ahead in like my career. I was like, yo, I'm really loving radio and I'm really loving all these random sorority girls video games. It's been fun. Goodbye. I never did that with sports.

[Covino]

Like I did when I hung up My cleats. Like for real. Like I was, hey, I'm done, I'm moving on. And I focused everything on broadcasting and everything on radio. That's the truth. And like I give you the answer and I feel like it's never suffice and you don't like get it because I'm not you. And I think that would be for the majority of people. I had my fulfillment playing sports and now I get my fulfillment out of succeeding as a parent, as a, Watching my kids succeed as a broadcaster, as a guy who's doing another new television show that I talked about today right before this show. You know, those are the things that thrill me now. Hitting a three point shot at the gym at 8pm on a Thursday. Not, not my bive anymore. Even though I'll still, I'll still shoot around and I still go to the gym every day. I think that's the least you could do.

[Caller]

Take that. Rich.

[Covino]

Yeah, I just came back.

[Caller]

Smoke it.

[Iowa Sam]

Feel like Monty's the only one that understands me.

[Covino]

How old is Monsieur bro and how old are you? You know, when I was 30 something too, I was playing in my company softball league. I am now my daughter's chauffeur. She has no kids. Different life. Are you living her life? Are you living the life of a 40 something year old guy? Sounds to me you're living the life of a 30 year old young woman with no kids.

[Iowa Sam]

She gets me. All right, let's.

[Covino]

This dude's in like seven softball leagues and expects me like to, I don't know, understand that.

[Caller]

I think Rich for his age is a outlier. Like the man has like how many, how much, how many hours of sleep do you get every night?

[Iowa Sam]

Like three I would imagine.

[Covino]

And endless amounts of energy.

[Caller]

You know, bop out of bed and you're like, ha.

[Iowa Sam]

I would say like midnight to 6 or 1am to 7am is the.

[Caller]

You're built differently.

Did you just say bop out of bed while you. My grandfather.

[Iowa Sam]

A bit Swinging my step man. A nickel in my pocket coming out of bed. Let's, let's pivot. Pivot to the wnba. And you're shocked. You're rich. You want to talk about wnba? Not really. But there's a story. There's a story, a headline that did get me pulled in.

[Covino]

It's Sophie Cunningham who's all the buzz.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm finding her pretty hot.

[Covino]

Yeah, I mean everyone is. Especially after she stuck up for Caitlin Clark.

[Iowa Sam]

Not only is she physically hot, I find her whole attitude and vibe hot. Like I think she. That girl is fine, Sophie.

[Caller]

So fine. And the headline, which Monsie covered in her update, is that Clark is not going to play against seconds.

[Monty]

She's not playing. Yeah. So a matchup. Another matchup that she's going to miss the matchup.

[Iowa Sam]

Everyone wanted another game that'll have 12 people in attendance.

[Covino]

We're not getting it. Sophie Cunningham speaks on the fever struggles recently again. They're seven and eight. Caitlin Clark's out. She's game to game. Not playing against the Dallas Wings. You heard Monty talk about it. That's the matchup everyone wanted to see. She says we're circled on everybody's schedule. No one likes us. And I think that's a lot to do with Caitlin Clark. A lot to do with people knowing that she's the one to beat. If they have success with her and her team, they get talked about, they're highlighted. They could go viral. Right. There's. There's a lot of reasons. So is it good to play with a target on your back? That's number one. Do they not like the fever or do they not just like Caitlin Clark? That's another way to look at it, too. There's a lot going on there. Or are they just the team to beat because of all the hype around them?

[Iowa Sam]

Well, you can't be the team to beat if you're under.500. That's how. Like when people say people are going.

[Covino]

To play harder against you because that's their Super Bowl.

[Iowa Sam]

When people say, oh, we got the Chief circled on the calendar this year, it's because every team is like, all right, that's our litmus test. How are we against Mahomes, Kelsey and a team that is a dynasty, it's.

[Covino]

Also more eyes on that team. So they want to step it up and bring their best. That game, there's so many factors here.

[Iowa Sam]

The sentiment of that game is circled. Is a revenge game or a litmus test. I think this is an attention test. And you. You mildly pointed out. Let me back you up. That I think there's a lot of players in the WNBA that look at this as my chance to get noticed. And get noticed could mean a sponsorship. Get noticed can mean trending on TikTok or Instagram or X. You play Caitlin Clark. And that's why I do think Caitlin Clark gets roughed up. I mean, you could say it's because, you know, you know, you would think women support women, but they go at each other, I think to effort. Caitlin Clark is like recipe number one to get attention.

[Covino]

Yeah. But you want to show that person, too? If she's so good, let's see it.

[Iowa Sam]

You have.

[Covino]

I'm bringing my A game today. Let's see what you got.

[Caller]

Truly, some of these women don't like the attention she's getting.

[Covino]

They want their end.

[Caller]

The attention on them, too.

[Covino]

They've been in the league for a few years, and she comes in, she's everybody's darling. She's getting all the credit. They don't like her attitude, maybe. There's so many factors here.

[Caller]

They're like, you're getting 75,000 a year. I'm only getting 25,000.

[Iowa Sam]

Let me tell you, Danny, the. The thought, though, of these women saying, like. Like, yo, she's group. But is she that great? Like, there is a cattiness going on, and it happens among men, too. But you're seeing it on, you know, the main stage here at the wnba, that there are a lot of women that just hate the attention.

[Caller]

And we talked about Kelsey Plum just the other day.

[Iowa Sam]

Now, there's two ways to look at this. The headline, well, that I wrote down on my notes here, do you like the whole vibe of, like, yo, come at me, bro? Or do you like to lay low and sort of be successful under the radar? Because right now they're under.500. Right now, the fever are 7 and 8. Yes, Caitlin Clark has missed a couple games. They'll likely be a postseason team, but they're seven and eight.

[Covino]

I love it.

[Caller]

Hold on now.

[Covino]

And I think I love it because it speaks volumes more about the people that are hating on Caitlin Clark and circling the schedule than it does about Caitlin Clark or anyone else. Because if you're reaching for greatness and you're achieving the way Caitlin Clark is, it just screams of envy. It really does. When people are coming at her the way that they are, they're just jealous. Instead of embracing what she's doing for the league and for the attention of the league and the overall greater good of the league, they're coming at her, trying to knock her down, trying to rough her up. It speaks more about them and their insecurities than it does about Caitlin Clark of the Indian.

[Iowa Sam]

Oh, it's definitely a combination.

[Covino]

So that's what I'm saying. Like, if someone's going to hate on me because I'm doing well, it's more on them. You're just doing what you're trying to do and trying to accomplish.

[Iowa Sam]

I think it's a combination of those things. There is a jealousy, like you're hating on me because I'm. I'm doing well and bringing attention. But also there's a big layer of yo. If you. It's almost like if you dated an influencer, all of a sudden you'd get more followers. I know it's a dumb analogy, right? But if you mess with Caitlin Clark by nature you are in the headline. So and so elbows Caitlin Clark to the ground. And now all of a sudden you're like a cool name in the WNBA while they're looking for players because the. The average person you ask the average dude name WNBA players go, they'd stop at four or five. They'd say Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese.

[Covino]

Paige Beckers.

[Iowa Sam]

Paige Beckers.

[Covino]

Cunningham.

[Monty]

Diana Taurasi.

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah. Is she still playing?

[Monty]

No, but that's who they would mention.

[Covino]

They would.

[Monty]

That would be in the 5 something lobo.

[Iowa Sam]

Who is Bobo?

[Monty]

Cameron Brink.

[Iowa Sam]

Oh, yeah.

[Caller]

She knows. She's a broadcaster.

[Monty]

She's. She doesn't play.

[Iowa Sam]

The one that got arrested in Russia.

[Monty]

Brittney Griner.

[Iowa Sam]

Griner. Like you. You.

[Monty]

You be Kelsey Plum.

[Iowa Sam]

Kelsey Plum.

[Monty]

Sabrina Ionescuonescu.

[Iowa Sam]

We have the three.

[Caller]

Brianna Stewart.

[Iowa Sam]

So. But I think we're. That now we're at the limit. And that's about Asia Wilson. Okay. We're doing all right.

[Caller]

Satu Sabali.

[Iowa Sam]

You just made up a name. I just.

[Covino]

A real name. Okay. We're always.

[Caller]

Did anyone say the legendary Sue Bird?

[Covino]

Sue Bird.

[Monty]

Sue Bird.

[Covino]

Chipotle worker. Simplify the question. Chipotle worker. Yeah.

[Monty]

Good one spot stupid. That's where he chimes in.

[Iowa Sam]

Go home.

[Covino]

You've had enough. Tonight, 87799 on Fox. All right, let me. We could simplify this real easy. Ready? Sophie Cunningham talks about the fever struggles and she says we're circled on everyone's schedule. No one likes us because they're seven and eight right now. I guess you could really simplify it by asking why are the fever. Really, really. Why are the fever circled on everyone's schedule and why doesn't anyone really like them?

[Iowa Sam]

Because it's going to be the. The most eyes on them. It's a litmus test to play against Caitlin Clark.

[Covino]

What's the real.

[Iowa Sam]

And. And they. They probably secretly. They probably secretly just don't like her.

[Covino]

Listen.

[Iowa Sam]

And they're jealous a little.

[Caller]

They are good. Let me just. I think Caitlin Clark's not missed. This is either four or five games she's missed.

[Covino]

They're not that good right now though. Right. That's what I'm saying.

[Caller]

But they did. They went on the road and they beat the Seattle Storm without Caitlin Clark having a good game. They still won because Aaliyah Boston was great. They can win without her. But they've already beaten the Liberty. They were the first to take the Liberty down when they were undefeated. They've had some other great wins. So when they're at their healthiest, they're at their best. They are one of the better teams at wnba, hands down.

[Iowa Sam]

This conversation in itself is proof of what this woman has done for the league, I don't think.

[Caller]

Remember last summer? You're like, oh, this will taper off. Like, I'm not. I don't expect this to last until September. You know, I do into late summer.

[Covino]

We're trying to get to the bottom of something. But more than one thing can be true, right? I'm sure a lot of people don't like her because they're jealous and they just don't like the attention she gets. But at the same time, you circle that game on the schedule because you know you have to bring your A game because there's more eyes on that game than any other game.

[Iowa Sam]

Hey, Kov, if you're a young player in the major leagues, right, wouldn't you like to see how you fare against Scubal or maybe Skeens or, like, that's your test of, like, all right, how. How do I perform against the best pitchers in the game? I think a lot of these young female, you know, WNBA players are saying, all right, let's see how I fare against Caitlin Clark. The. The famous eye rolly. Everyone loves her Caitlin Clark. So you' There's a little bit of hate and there's a little bit of a, like I said, a lit. How am I?

[Covino]

You want to be the player in life, the player on the court, the boxer in the ring with the target on your back. Because if you're that person, that just means you're the champ. That means you're the best. That means you're the one that everybody's going after. And to be the man, you got to beat the man. Who said that? Ric Flair. Yeah, but it's true in life, you know, if you're really the one with the target on your back, it's because you're the best one out there. So that's who you really want to be. So all the props in the world to the Fever and Caitlin Clark, because whether you like it or not, they're the ones they're trying to beat.

[Iowa Sam]

Your thoughts? I see the phones are hot. Let's go. 87799 on Fox. We got more Covino and Rich. More Friday action packed fun here on FOX Sports Radio.

[Rich]

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[Covino]

May appreciate going back to the phones getting you involved like we always do. The most inclusive show on radio. Covino Enriched a world famous CNR on FSR. Danny G super producing 87799 on Fox if you want to chime in or at cavinoenrich at Fox Sports Radio on social media. Thanks again to all who partied with us in Vegas. People still adding pictures and posting pictures. We appreciate it. So you can check ours out at covinoenrich. Monsieur. Man, she was partying in Vegas poolside. Bringing the party.

[Monty]

I know. Total groupie.

[Covino]

She's great. She's bringing the updates in about 10 minutes. We got Iowa Sam on the ones and twos. And again, let's get back to the phones and the conversation. Sophie Cunningham of the Indiana Fever basically said that nobody likes them in the league and they're circled on everybody's schedule. I guess the core of the question is, well, why? Why doesn't anyone really like them? Why are they circled?

[Iowa Sam]

Yo, to quote your favorite 90s pop rock band, the Gym Blossoms.

[Covino]

Not mine. Yours maybe.

[Iowa Sam]

Hey, jealousy.

[Covino]

That's a lot of it.

[Iowa Sam]

All jealousy. And during the break I was Sam and I had a better conversation than we did on the air. I know you love that.

[Covino]

I hate that.

[Iowa Sam]

But it's true. You can't get mad.

[Covino]

Here's the thing. Everybody has a different path.

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah, you can't get Mad because someone brought attention to something you were working hard at all long. You really can't. Some WNBA player can't be mad that now we're popular because of Caitlin Clark. Yeah. No one cared. I'm sorry to tell you. Now they do. You should be grateful for Caitlin Clark. The attention Angel Reese brings the attention that, you know, Paige Beckers. That is what you desire and love. Camino and I worked at Sirius XM for a good 15 years. Right. To say we weren't thankful when Howard Stern signed on. He brought attention to a network that we were on that was trying to gain some steam.

[Caller]

He brought how many followers to the subscribers?

[Iowa Sam]

Rather, we started there. There were hundreds of thousands of people to tens of millions.

[Covino]

I think it went from 300,000 subscribers to 3 million, like, overnight.

[Caller]

That is crazy.

[Covino]

Yeah, overnight. And so now, you know, over 30, almost 40 million.

[Iowa Sam]

It baffles me how anyone would be anything other than just be like, you know, you might not like her personally, but, yeah, grateful for what her and some of these young women brought. Especially her.

[Covino]

The end. Yeah. But I look at it this way, too. From the flip side, Rich. Yeah, envy and all that jealousy. But whatever lights your fire, man. Whatever gets you fired up and motivated.

[Iowa Sam]

I agree with that.

[Covino]

You see that on the court, and you get a better product. It gets us talking.

[Iowa Sam]

It's such weenie thinking, though, to be like, but I was working hard all along. Yeah, well, guess what? No one cared. Now they do. So embrace it. Embrace it.

[Covino]

Let's go to the phones.

[Caller]

You call it. Hold on. You call it jealousy. I might call it also frustration. I think people are frustrated because I was just looking at. They are moving games from their smaller home venues to larger venues to accommodate the Caitlin Clark crowd. And those people are probably like, well, they're coming into our place. They're going to come into our home arena. Oh, we're going to teach them a lesson.

[Iowa Sam]

That would be like us getting mad that we were having a big company dinner. And I don't know, Colin said he was coming. So now they change it to a nicer restaurant. You'd be like, oh, awesome. Thank you. Colin get a little territorial. We were. We were going to Cheesecake Factory the minute Cowherd said he's coming. Now we're going to, you know, Del Frisco's. I'm in.

[Caller]

Yeah, but it would be him changing the restaurant for a CRC for your home court.

[Iowa Sam]

I get.

[Caller]

I see what I'm saying.

[Covino]

Team to be. She's the team to be. And that's really it. All right, your calls now. Let's get you involved. Where do you want to start?

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah, we'll go to Kansas and DJ Different. What's up, dj?

[Spot]

Hey, what's up, you guys? Talk to you guys.

[Covino]

Hey.

[Spot]

Hey. I haven't talked to you guys in a long. In a long while. I like you guys intro, but let me get right to the point.

[Iowa Sam]

Yeah, man.

[Spot]

Caitlin. Okay. Caitlin and Clark. If the ladies don't know how to step up their game to get past her, okay, it's like Michael Jordan when he first came to league, nobody liked him. Two something about. When you guys said about something that you like to do, I'm like 60 or 61 something in one of those numbers. I like playing basketball, but I coach basketball. So I talk to the young ball players, come up, be better than me and be better than the other ball players. Thank you guys for the topic. I love you guys. I'm off the hook.

[Covino]

Hey, love you, different man. Thanks for the call.

[Iowa Sam]

And by the way, that is an interesting thought, too. If you're one of those people that love to play sports, and I question, well, why don't you play? If you coach, that could fulfill that. That passion. I just feel it's interesting that.

[Covino]

But we all. Love also fulfills the passion. Talking about it every day like we do fulfills the passion. You think Brian Windhorst is out there hitting jumpers or is he?

[Iowa Sam]

I don't think he ever was, but that's the point.

[Covino]

You're allowed to be a fan.

[Iowa Sam]

Kaylee in Fresno. Hi, Kaylee.

[Caller]

Hi.

[Iowa Sam]

Hi.

[Caller]

I'm so excited to talk to you guys. Honestly, I listen to you every day. What a thrill. I just had. Two quick comments. One, I guess, about Caitlin Clark. Really quick. There's so few spots for women to be praised in any circuit that's dominated by men. And it's just forced us into a competitive position. In situations where we are dominant, we support each other. In situations where we're competing for attention or competing for a spot or competing for praise, then we have no choice but to be unsupportive. And I think that goes across the board. It's not a women thing, it's a people thing. And it just happens to be more our thing.

[Iowa Sam]

You know what? Agreed. I'm going to give you the weakness analogy, but you'll agree it's. It's like the Bachelor, you know, women will support each other unless 25 are fighting over the same dude.

[Covino]

Right?

[Caller]

Exactly. I mean, no matter how awful that dude is.

[Covino]

Yes.

[Iowa Sam]

What Else you got Kaylee.

[Caller]

And then just really quick, as a mother of a son and a wife playing sports at any age right now, they've kind of sucked all the fun out of it. Unless you're really good, there isn't a space for you. And Even like my 40 year old husband who was a baseball player and a football player and a wrestler, wanted to join one of those little softball leagues and he's like, gosh, I had fun playing softball, but I don't want to spend all weekend with a bunch of dudes who are trying to get away from their wives and kids. And I feel like that's kind of the environment that has been created in adult sports. It's like, well, let's come out here and talk bad about our families or complain about our lives. And it's really not about guys who just want to play softball or just want to play basketball with their buddies. I mean, I'm sure it is like there's no. No broad strokes.

[Covino]

There's also a lot of dudes without. Not all, but without families and kids, they have a lot of time on their hands. I mean, it's a good mix of both.

[Caller]

That was a great call. Hey, good points there, Kaylee.

[Covino]

Appreciate you, Kaylee.

[Iowa Sam]

I like some female callers. They always make more sense.

[Covino]

Yeah, you're always welcome.

[Caller]

Isn't that the story of our lives?

[Covino]

It's like they make sense on the phone, but on the basketball court, I don't know. They're trying to take down the one person that matters.

[Caller]

And Kelsey Plum doesn't want to sign autographs.

[Covino]

Exactly.

[Iowa Sam]

All right, well, Monty, want to make sense of an update? What's doing in the world today?

[Monty]

You know, it's funny that you brought up the Bachelor because what was it like a week ago? We saw all these fights in the wnba, like multiple games. And I was like, you guys are embarrassing me. It's like I watch the Bachelor because I enjoy the drama in the house with all the girls. Yeah, of course, when it's the Bachelorette, all the bros are freaking homies by the end of it.

[Iowa Sam]

It's ridiculous.

[Monty]

Yeah, it is so different. But that is the perfect example. I said that to Shay who works here with us, who is also partnering it up in Vegas.

[Iowa Sam]

Alright. Ye.

[Covino]

Yeah.

[Monty]

Caitlin Clark.

[Iowa Sam]

I think Shea still hung over from last weekend.

[Monty]

He flew in Sunday and was here and I saw him and I was like, I can't. He's like, I was. I was with Covino four hours ago.

[Caller]

He said he was at a black. He was Working. And he's like, I was at a blackjack table four hours ago.

[Iowa Sam]

Not to call it our buddy Shay. I know you got. You're up there.

[Monty]

No, no, you're good.

[Iowa Sam]

But my wife was on the same flight as him.

[Monty]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no. He told me.

[Iowa Sam]

And she's.

[Monty]

Sarah found him.

[Iowa Sam]

They were boarding the plane and she said Shay was at the airport just sleeping upright. And she's like, you got to get on the plane.

[Rich]

Yes.

[Iowa Sam]

You have to be at Fox Sports Radio, I think in two hours.

[Caller]

Yeah, he would have missed the flight if she didn't wake him up.

[Monty]

He absolutely told me. He told me Sarah saved him on Sunday.

[Caller]

He slept in the luggage compartment.

[Monty]

Fever star Caitlin Clark.

[Covino]

Yeah.

[Monty]

Missing her second straight game tonight with that left groin injury. Unfortunately, it is the first matchup against Paige. Beckers in the wings. But there are more matchups later in the season in the NBA. Well, Ace Bailey, the fifth overall pick. He plans to report to the Utah Jazz on Saturday. ESPN with the story. Messiah Ujiri is out as vice chair and president after 13 seasons with the Toronto Raptors. They went 30 and 52 this past season. Missed the postseason for the third straight year. An autograph Michael Jordan rookie card sold for $2.5 million, the most ever paid for a Jordan rookie card. And in baseball, Mariners catcher Cal Raleigh leads the majors and homers with 32. Said he's going to participate in next month's Home Run Derby. No catcher has ever won the derby, which began in 1985. And apparently Ellie De La Cruz of the Reds declined to participate already in the home run der. So right now, it's just Cal Raleigh And Ronald Acuna Jr. Back to you guys.

[Covino]

I mean, I'm happy to hear that.

[Iowa Sam]

You know, my favorite meathead will probably get involved. Pete Alonso.

[Monty]

I hope so. Also, I'm sure you saw Mets picture Griffin Canning ruptured his Achilles.

[Covino]

Yeah, that was.

[Iowa Sam]

That was.

[Monty]

That was a rough moment. It was tough.

[Iowa Sam]

He was a great addition to the Mets. Like a perfect middle of the rotation guy. And you know what you hate? You always say this. People say, man, we have too many starting pitchers. And you're like, no, no, it'll solve itself. I promise.

[Monty]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Iowa Sam]

Always something that goes down. Thank you, Moncy.

[Covino]

Thank you, Monty Bolan. And speaking of Cal Raleigh, we're going to talk about him in a few minutes.

[Iowa Sam]

And his big dumper.

[Covino]

And his big dumper. Because he is participating in the Home Run Derby. Who does the honor go to? Let's say it was you in the home run derby. Do you pick a relative? A former coach who's pitching well for Cal Raleigh. It's his dad. So what would you do? Plus, I also want to talk how close to MVP voting would be if it was him and judge right now. So we'll talk a little Cal Raleigh and we still gotta get to weekend hobnobbing Podcast reviews. We have a lot to get to. We got more Covino and Rich live from the Fox Sports radio studio this.

[Rich]

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[Covino]

So we're playing some pod. Good choice there, Sam. Feeling alive. Getting ready for the weekend. Friday's here. Fight weekend. Chavez Jr. Jake Paul. I'll tell you all about it during weekend hobnobbing. But I am feeling alive. He's playing pod, Payable on Death, the band from San Diego representing the big sd.

[Iowa Sam]

Oh, San Diego.

[Covino]

And last night, Rich, I was trying to pick the Hardcore four. I named it of that era of music. Do you want to hear who they are real quick?

[Iowa Sam]

The hardcore four of like 90s 2000s rock.

[Covino]

Well, it sounded cooler than Mount Rushmore. Right? The hardcore four.

[Iowa Sam]

I like it. Let's hear that up I Did you put POD on there?

[Covino]

No, I did not. But I do. Like I respect them.

[Iowa Sam]

Alice in Chains?

[Covino]

No, that's Lithium era. That's grunge Arrow.

[Iowa Sam]

Right.

[Covino]

So I'm talking divorced dad, rock, Shinedown. Nope. But a lot of people chimed in with Shinedown because they're a legitimate band. So I'll give you my Four.

[Iowa Sam]

Hold on, let me at least try to guess a little bit. System of it Down.

[Covino]

Absolutely. In the. Yep, they're in the Mount Rushmore.

[Iowa Sam]

All right.

[Covino]

Of that era, guys. Of this era. Like late 90s, early 2000.

[Iowa Sam]

Corn.

[Covino]

Corn. Absolutely. Yep.

[Iowa Sam]

System. Corn.

[Covino]

Two more corn.

[Caller]

System.

[Iowa Sam]

Any. Any guesses, Danny? I was saying System of Down.

[Caller]

I actually saw Covina's tweet, so I don't want to give it away.

[Iowa Sam]

I don't follow him.

[Covino]

Oh, yeah, he's busy.

[Iowa Sam]

I'm busy. Playing softball.

[Covino]

Playing softball, I guess. Guzzling buddies.

[Iowa Sam]

Let's hear the other toe.

[Covino]

Linkin Park. Because there was a lot of. There was a lot of rap rock, but they did it the best, right? And I said it's got to be Metallica, But Metallica is their own mountain. They're their own mountain. They transcend generations. So I'm throwing Limp Bizkit in there for what they meant for what they meant for that era. But it's debatable. That's just fun. But previous generations, it's easier to pick the core four, the Mount Rushmore, that era, it's a little more difficult.

[Iowa Sam]

When you mention Linkin Park, I. You could argue they are very rated. I still feel like they are underrated songs for this. I feel like crossover to the mainstream. Rock, pop, everything. I think the song this is a bold statement. I think the song in the end by Linkin park could be a top. It could be a top three song of that decade.

[Covino]

A great party trick too, because you walk by any piano, you just hit the ding, ding, ding, ding. And then women are like, oh, my God.

[Iowa Sam]

You play.

[Covino]

I didn't know. And then you walk away like all like.

[Caller]

Oh, and isn't that the one they remixed with Jay Z? Yeah, that remix. Okay. The. The last one. I'm thinking Red Yankee Hat, Limpiz.

[Covino]

Yeah, yeah, that was my one. That was my one. Because Metallica's too massive. And I'm not sure they're. They're defining of that era and they've.

[Caller]

Been around for 20 years already, so.

[Covino]

But we do play them. And I'll be talking more about it on turbo tonight, that SiriusXM Turbo 41. But the place to be is FOX Sports Radio right here. If you're on the iHeartRadio app. Thank you. If you're listening to the podcast in the future. Thank you. And that brings us to the tire rack play of the day. It's the team with the best record in baseball right now.

[Iowa Sam]

The 32 pitch. Swinging a ground ball to second base. Sliding backhand to stop by Torres gets up, throws. Tigers win.

[Covino]

Tigers win.

[Iowa Sam]

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[Covino]

Detroit is popping right now. Sports teams.

[Iowa Sam]

There was a moment where we talk about how the Texas Rangers got close a couple times. You know, they, they won a couple years ago, but maybe they lost a few World Series. You could say the same about the Tigers that the Verlander years and all that they got close and lost a few world series in 10, you know, never, never got over that hump. So hey, maybe this year they're your biggest AL competition there. Yankees boy.

[Covino]

Well, speaking of baseball, Yankees boy here to remind you that Aaron Judge is still the guy. Okay. Cal Raleigh is doing great things. There's a two part doozy right here. Cal Raleigh announced he's in the Home Run Derby. First and first. Mostly I want to give him props because a lot of people shy away from it could mess your swing up. Some people believe in. That happened to Bobby Abreu famously. People remember he was never the same after that. Right. Because you're hacking, you get tired, you.

[Caller]

It's happened to a few players.

[Covino]

It's happened to a few players. So I give him all the props in the world. He's having a career season. We've never seen anything like that for this position. Right. Breaking all sorts of catcher records. And he announced that his dad is pitching to him. Like, what an honor. We've seen it before. Robbie Canoe and a few other players. What an honor for him and his dad who was throwing him backyard wiffle balls probably his whole life. So the first question is, who would you choose? Like, who do you give that honor to? A former coach. If it was me, do I reach out to my former JV coach, Mr. Hamburg, because my varsity coach passed away unfortunately. But shout out to Mr. Sablinski, an old college pal, a high school friend, your wiffle ball buddy, you might have.

[Iowa Sam]

To call the kid you logged the most hours of playing with. Like if you have that neighborhood kid, that right. That you played Home Run Derby with and Wiffle ball, that might be his shining moment.

[Covino]

What a thrill, right?

[Iowa Sam]

Like Steve made it, you know, like.

[Covino]

Or does my dad get on the mountain?

[Iowa Sam]

Hey, I don't know.

[Covino]

My arm was hurting a little bit. I wouldn't want to put that sort of pressure on my dad. Hey, choke up. But again, that's my dad. Yeah. I don't know.

[Iowa Sam]

I haven't thrown a ball in about 35 years.

[Covino]

Oh.

[Iowa Sam]

Now hit the green. Nothing in between.

[Covino]

Yeah.

[Iowa Sam]

Here you go.

[Covino]

All right.

[Rich]

Ooh.

[Iowa Sam]

Ah.

[Covino]

Right? My. My dad pulls something in the moment. So who would you give that honor to? And then we gotta talk MVP man, because that's the big talk right now. Now we got more Covino and rich next.

[Rich]

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[Covino]

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