BEST OF UFC 317: Charles Oliveira, Kai Kara-France, Alexandre Pantoja

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: Daniel Cormier TV - BEST OF UFC 317: Charles Oliveira, Kai Kara-France, Alexandre Pantoja
Release Date: July 4, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Introduction to UFC 317 Highlights

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, the focus is on the standout moments from UFC 317, particularly highlighting the performances of Charles Oliveira, Kai Kara-France, and Alexandre Pantoja. Hosted by Bridget Todd, the discussion delves into the strategies, motivations, and future prospects of these top fighters.

Charles Oliveira: Handling Criticism and Maintaining Dominance

Bridget Todd initiates the conversation by addressing the constant scrutiny that Charles Oliveira faces within the UFC community. She references comments made by Ilya, who suggested Oliveira bring a pillow to his fight, predicting a first-round knockout.

• Bridget Todd (03:06): “Ilya had a lot to say about the fight. He said for Charles to bring a pillow because he thinks that he's going to knock him out in the first round. Like, what does Charles think when he hears stuff like that?”

Charles Oliveira responds by emphasizing his resilience and focus despite the negative remarks.

• Charles Oliveira (06:09): “The more they talk about it, the more I love to prove them wrong. I can do it. Look at where I was back in the day…”

He shares his journey from humble beginnings to becoming a champion, highlighting how adversity fuels his drive to succeed.

Alexandre Pantoja: Dominance in the Octagon

The conversation shifts to Alexandre Pantoja, who reflects on his recent fights and his approach to opponents.

• Alexandre Pantoja (13:03): “I was fighting the Filipino fighter. It felt like I was fighting Manny Pacquiao in the Philippines. But I ended up winning in less than 30 seconds.”

Pantoja recounts his experiences fighting on a cruise ship in Phuket, describing the unique environment and his swift victory that led to an impromptu celebration with his team.

• Pantoja (15:21): “It was just perfect. Kind of welcome, welcome back party and welcome, welcome back fight for myself and just cemented me right where I wanted to be, and that's at the top.”

Kai Kara-France: Anticipating the Rematch

Bridget Todd brings attention to the upcoming rematch between Alexandre Pantoja and Kai Kara-France, discussing the dynamics and expectations surrounding the fight.

• Bridget Todd (22:41): “He can't keep me down. I'm too fast and that you will get sloppy and when you get sloppy, you'll open up opportunities for him to get the finish.”

Pantoja expresses his motivation to face Kara-France again, highlighting his improvements and strategic preparations.

• Alexandre Pantoja (23:13): “Kakar France is a very good fighter, but I never live in the comfort zone. If he wants to bring me to that place, I bring him to the deep waters.”

Strategies and Preparation

The fighters discuss their preparation tactics and how they adapt to each opponent’s style. Pantoja emphasizes his grappling skills and ability to control the fight once he secures a takedown.

• Alexandre Pantoja (24:03): “I'm the right position. You know my corners, you know my gym. You know everything I need to pass through to get this position.”

Bridget Todd probes into how Pantoja balances emotions and cultural influences in his fighting style, noting his authenticity and connection to his roots.

• Bridget Todd (17:21): “Emotion.”

• Alexandre Pantoja (18:23): “How beautiful it is. So, yeah, that's why I get emotional talking about my culture and everything, because it means so much to me. It is me.”

Future Prospects and Championship Aspirations

The discussion concludes with insights into the fighters' future plans and their aspirations to maintain or elevate their status within the UFC.

• Bridget Todd (20:07): “You and I sat in the apex one time. I don't know who you had just beat. Was it. Did you beat Manel Kopp already?”

• Alexandre Pantoja (21:56): “That's nice, you know, I want to fight with the new guys, of course. But what I think right now doesn't matter. You're going to be a rematch with Moreno or Reval. The best fight needs to go to the fight for the belt.”

Pantoja expresses his commitment to challenging top-tier fighters and sustaining his leadership in the division.

Conclusion

This episode provides an in-depth look into the mindsets and strategies of some of UFC 317's most prominent fighters. Through candid conversations, Charles Oliveira and Alexandre Pantoja share their personal journeys, handling of criticism, and unwavering dedication to their craft. The anticipation surrounding the upcoming rematch with Kai Kara-France sets the stage for what promises to be a thrilling continuation of their rivalry.

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Notable Quotes:

• Charles Oliveira (06:09): "The more they talk about it, the more I love to prove them wrong."
• Alexandre Pantoja (13:03): "I was fighting the Filipino fighter. It felt like I was fighting Manny Pacquiao in the Philippines. But I ended up winning in less than 30 seconds."
• Alexandre Pantoja (18:23): "How beautiful it is. So, yeah, that's why I get emotional talking about my culture and everything, because it means so much to me. It is me."
• Alexandre Pantoja (23:13): "Kakar France is a very good fighter, but I never live in the comfort zone. If he wants to bring me to that place, I bring him to the deep waters."
• Alexandre Pantoja (24:03): "I'm the right position. You know my corners, you know my gym. You know everything I need to pass through to get this position."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode, providing listeners—both new and returning—with a comprehensive overview of UFC 317's highlights and the featured fighters' perspectives.

Transcript

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[Unknown]

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[Bridget Todd]

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[Unknown]

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[Unknown]

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm prepared. I want it.

[Bridget Todd]

So many big fights in his career, where does this one stack up with all the fights that he's had?

[Unknown]

Something enormous, something for a title. For a guy who's been talking a lot, it's a great fight.

[Bridget Todd]

Yeah. Speaking of talking. Right. Ilya had a lot to say about the fight. He said for Charles to bring a pillow because he thinks that he's going to knock him out in the first round. Like, what does Charles think when he hears stuff like that?

[Unknown]

You've seen this a lot. People talk a lot and then talk up a good game and then go to face you up there. What happens?

[Bridget Todd]

So he's fought a lot of powerful guys, but can he look at Ilia and in his boxing, can he find a style that really does prepare him for a guy? And also the confidence of him being undefeated, I think is what guides.

[Unknown]

Michael Chandler. Obviously got a lot of firepower. Does the boy hits really hard and those other hits. So. And I faced a lot of different guys. I face guys with all different kinds of styles, and they know that I confront them. The UFC knows that. They put me in this place because I can actually stop him. I believe in this firepower that I have.

[Bridget Todd]

He thinks he's going to knock him up. Can I just take a pause for this?

[Unknown]

I believe I can do this. I have the firepower in my hands.

[Bridget Todd]

Isn't it amazing that on multiple occasions he has done this? But time and time again, people question Charles Dubron Oliveira. How does he handle that? And how motivating is it for him to continuously kind of shut people down and really change those opinions?

[Unknown]

It's really good. The more they talk about it, the more I love to prove them wrong. And I can do it. Look, listen, look at it. Doesn't matter what they say. Look at where I was back in the day. Thought I wasn't going to be able to play ball. Doctor told me so. I used to live in the back of my grandma's house back in the day. I didn't have money to buy flip flops, man. And now look where I am and look at what I've done and I can continue to do things.

[Bridget Todd]

And now he's a rich man, big time guy, you know, Does Charles prefer this type of build to a fight where there is a guy that is talking, or does he prefer the fight where it's all just kind of respectful? Because we have seen him involved in all of those fights his entire career.

[Unknown]

I don't care. Really, I don't care. I don't I'm not focused on whatever people saying what they and what they do and what they think. To me, whatever they say or don't, it doesn't make a difference.

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[Bridget Todd]

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[Unknown]

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[Erica]

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[Bridget Todd]

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[Erica]

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[Bridget Todd]

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[Erica]

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[Bridget Todd]

Before we get into that. Before we get into this. So I read this. I put this down in the notes. It wasn't moving. So you don't have to worry about getting boat sick or falling off. The fights were in Phuket. My teammates had to come on the cruise ship and watch the fight. I was fighting the Filipino fighter. And it was funny because all the workers on the cruise ship were Filipino. They all came out of the kitchen and came out. When we were fighting, it felt like I was fighting Manny Pacquiao in the Philippines. But I ended up winning. It was less than 30 seconds to fight. And then we got the party on the boat for two days. What in the world is that, dog? You were fighting on a boat?

[Unknown]

Yeah. Cruise ship? Yeah. Yeah. First of its kind. It was like a movie. And I could see my opponent. When I first saw him, he looked like he was on holiday. And I was like, bro, we're going to fight first. Don't worry about going on this cruise ship and having a holiday. We're going to throw down.

[Bridget Todd]

What was he doing?

[Unknown]

Partying. I could just see it on his face. He was kind of dancing and, like, just. Just overwhelmed. Like, he. He was like, where am I? Sure, I'm actually here to work. Not.

[Bridget Todd]

That is the craziest thing.

[Unknown]

Yeah, so overnight we. We flew to Malaysia, and, yeah, overnight from Malaysia to Phuket, we came on the boat. So it took about, I don't know, five hours to get back to Phuket. And then we docked at the port, so I wasn't moving. And then on the top deck on the 10th story, no roof, nothing. It was out open next to the pool. Like, people are, like, drinking.

[Bridget Todd]

Wait, were this just like normal people on the cruise and they got to watch a fight?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bridget Todd]

So they were poured and they didn't leave yet. And they watch y' all fight?

[Unknown]

Yeah, they're all just in the pool hanging out. And the fights, they were like, if it rains, that's probably going to be canceled, so hopefully it doesn't rain. And then, yeah, we're warming up next to the cocktail bar and oh, my God. And then they said, sweet, we're walking. And then I think the theme of the. The cruise ship was like a pirate theme. So, like the. The announcer was dressed as a pirate and all of this. But, yeah, when I walked out, I was like, well, I've got business first and then I can party after.

[Bridget Todd]

You must have had a great time. It was like a vacation. A fight and a vacation.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it was. It was, I think 20 seconds the whole fight. Dropped him straight away for a hand off the first punch, and then from there, uppercuts until the ref pulled me off. And then, yeah, I had two days to just party and hang out with my friends.

[Bridget Todd]

That's amazing.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it was pretty cool. Bucket list.

[Bridget Todd]

So the last fight, right, you fought on that cruise ship. You probably fought all over the place to get to where you are today. We're in Australia. You're fighting Steve Irceg, who's a tremendous boxer. You hit him bang, put him out clean. You had been gone for a while, right. Taking some time off to recover, get right to have that performance there. What did it feel like?

[Unknown]

Like this was his hometown. Like New Zealand and Australia, we're seen as one, but when we're fighting each other, it's. It's a rivalry.

[Bridget Todd]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And it's the shots you don't see coming that hurt you. And he didn't see it coming. He didn't adjust for the. The extra step I took. And he's a great counter fighter. But I got we game planned for that, that he would try pull and he didn't pull far enough. And then that's when that, you know, people know him as a. For my right hand, but that left hand is the one that landed. So, yeah, just from there, it's instinct. You know, I've done this so many times now. I know when someone's hurt and that's a skill. And you know, when I saw he was wobbling and I knew, okay, I just need to rush this guy now. He wants a way out. And then the ref had saw, seen enough when I landed that right hand and he just shelled up and yeah, it was just perfect. Kind of welcome, welcome back party and welcome, welcome back fight for myself and just cemented me right where I wanted to be, and that's at the top.

[Bridget Todd]

You were in the Octagon after, and I'm interviewing you.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bridget Todd]

And I said, boy, what a left hand. Because very few 125 pounders can put you out like that. And you said, I'm Morty, bro. And the place went absolutely crazy.

[Unknown]

I didn't realize how big that was until I went back home saying, yeah, that went super viral. And really in Aotearoa, New Zealand, and everywhere I went, you know, it was such a simple sentence but so powerful at the same time. And just going like, I was speaking my truth. I didn't rehearse any of that. When you told me, when you asked me that question, none of that was rehearsed. I was just going off of how I felt.

[Bridget Todd]

Emotion.

[Unknown]

Yeah, just emotion. You know who I am. I don't. I don't shy away from being emotional. And in my culture and multiculture, showing emotion is a sign of strength. Yeah. And, yeah, I was just being open and honest. So when I said that and I went back home and so many people coming up to me, they didn't even watch the fight. They just saw that and they said, really? You don't know how much you've done for your people. And just knowing that you're able to change someone's, I guess, mood or reaction just from one. One sentence, it just. I just knew that, like, the next big fight that I'm doing, I'm embodying all of this. I'm bringing all my culture with me. It's my superpower. It's something that I draw on for strength. It's something that I draw on for protection. But you don't know until you see it like a haka or our culture.

How beautiful it is.

So, yeah, that's why I get emotional talking about my culture and everything, because it means so much to me. It is me.

[Bridget Todd]

This weekend, you have another opportunity to defend that championship against the guy you fought before Kaikara France fought you on the Ultimate Fighter. That was a long time ago. Is there anything you can take from that fight, or are you two just completely different fighters and you have to prepare yourself for another guy?

[Unknown]

All the fights different. Yeah, Same guys with same guys, me and him. When you go to the Octagon, he's gonna remember I'm winning one time, but all the fights different, doesn't matter. It's 55th all the time. It doesn't matter who you fighting is 55th all the time. And what I want in that Fight is an opportunity to show everybody how good I am. And I have this opportunity in the international fight week.

[Bridget Todd]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

One of the big card of the year. And that's what I want. You know, I want that fight so bad. You know, I want to fight with the high level guys. And Carcara fans proved he's a high level guy. He knocked out everybody and he put in that position, you know, and I want that, you know, he's a Maori style.

[Bridget Todd]

Yes, he is.

[Unknown]

Wario.

[Bridget Todd]

Wario.

[Unknown]

Everything else, his country with him. That's what I want, you know, I want to prove myself all the time.

[Bridget Todd]

Time. You have beaten so many guys, as I said early, is that why we're getting Kayasakura fighting for the belt where somebody else is coming in or Kai Cara France, because Kai Car France knocked out Steve Irceg, which was crazy. It was a great performance. But prior to that he had lost two fights. He Instagram messaged you telling you he wanted a title fight because you've been so dominant. Is that why we're getting you fighting these guys where a guy wins one and it's. It's a new matchup. So we see him in there with Pantoja.

[Unknown]

That's something very nice to have. You know, I have hope to hold division. Everybody win the fight, call my name because he know maybe he can put in the front and go to fight for the belt. You know, I give this opportunity for everybody in that division because I beat everybody.

[Bridget Todd]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And everybody else think have this position. You see Josh right now, he got the tickets, you know, the gold ticket for the Willy Wonka fabric. The guy, he found the ticket, you know, and got. Now he's gonna fight with Reval. If he passed for Reval, he's the next, you know.

[Bridget Todd]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That's so nice to have that. You know, that's my last fight. My fight before Sakura is Steve Versag.

[Bridget Todd]

Steve Vercec, another guy that top 10. Yeah.

[Unknown]

And fight for me and then guys bring Asakura and I beat him too. You know, that's super nice, man. I'm very proud myself. My team, everybody worked very hard to that position.

[Bridget Todd]

You and I sat in the apex one time. I don't know who you had just beat. Was it. Did you beat Manel Kopp already? It was that close fight, right? You had a close fight. You beat Manel Cop and you called for a title fight. Brandon Moreno was sitting at the desk and you won so many times before you ultimately finally got that title shot. But now you're just gifting Championship fights. Is that because of what you went through to get there? Is that why? Because you had to wait so long, you have to beat so many people that you're like, hey man, you win, okay, come on, I'll fight you with to Moreno, with everybody. Like, I mean you waited for your title fight, sure you fought everybody. It was this guy. And then how many fights did he win before he got a title fight?

[Unknown]

Five.

[Bridget Todd]

Yeah, you could have got it after two because you beat the best guys. Now guys getting title fights after one, did you? Are you? Do you understand? I don't really want to make these guys wait. If they want to fight, they can get a fight with the champ.

[Unknown]

That's nice, you know, that's. I want to fight with the new guys, of course. But what I think right now doesn't matter. You're going to be a rematch with Moreno or Ravel. The best fight need to go to the fight for the belt. The best guy need to fight for the belt. That's what I think. Kai Karofin is putting his position right now. Everybody wants to see a new blood. Yes, I beat him before, but nobody remember of that long time ago. But maybe I won Kaikara France and maybe Rayval won the Joshua. This makes sense fight to Raval again, everybody agree with that, you know, Ravel come for two wins, maybe he got a third victory right now who gonna say Royval don't deserve that fight, you know.

[Bridget Todd]

So I'm going to read you something from Kai Kara France. You ready?

[Unknown]

Oh yeah.

[Bridget Todd]

He can't keep me down. I'm too fast in that you will get sloppy and when you get sloppy, you'll open up opportunities for him to get the finish. He also says that he respects you not being disrespectful, but he's coming for your head and that you'll get sloppy and that'll open up opportunities for him to finish you. Something that no one's been able to do. What do you think when you hear.

[Unknown]

That make me motivation. You know, Kakar France is a very good fighter, but when I'm the, I never live in the comfort zone, you know, if he want bring me to that, that place, I bring him to the deep waters, you know. And I'm not sure he can breathe that, you know, if he think he can like defend my grappler, he's wrong, man. I improved a lot after nine years. I fight with him in the tail to mid fighter. I'm involved so much. I'm involved so much because now I'm the champion of the world. And Saturday night, I'm fighting another Kai. My last fight, I fight with the Kai Sakura. Now I have a kaikar friends, but he's gonna finish with the same thing. I want to win the fight, maybe with a knee. The choke again.

[Bridget Todd]

Oh, you think you take him down, huh?

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah.

[Bridget Todd]

He's got the highest takedown defense in the division, but not many can stop you from getting them to the ground. And once you get him on the ground, get the back. I mean, you're dangerous.

[Unknown]

I'm the right position. You know my corners, you know my gym.

[Bridget Todd]

Yep.

[Unknown]

You know everything I need to pass through to get this position. And I have so much more to conquer, you know, and I read to that. I read to the high level guys and. And I'm super excited to that fight. I just want to say, guys, expect the best version from Pantoja with my new shorts.

[Bridget Todd]

Oh, those are nice, champ. Those shorts are nice, champ. You designed those?

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's my tattoos.

[Bridget Todd]

Oh, hey, those are nice. Nice color, too. Nice. Black and red. Little red in it. Gold.

[Unknown]

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[Bridget Todd]

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[Ebony]

Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony, and every Tuesday, I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect podcast podcast network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Erica]

The OGs of uncensored motherhood are back and badder than ever. I'm Erica, and I'm Mila. And we're the hosts of the Good Moms Bad Choices podcast, brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Yeah, we're moms, but not your mommy. Historically, men talk too much and women have quietly listened. And all that stuff stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your try. Listen to the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast.

[Unknown]

Adventure should never come with a pause button.

[Bridget Todd]

Remember Movie Pass all the movies you wanted for just nine bucks. I'm Bridget Todd, host of There Are no Girls on the Internet. And this season I'm digging into the tech stories we weren't told, starting with Stacy Spikes Black, founder of MoviePass, who got pushed out of the company he built.

Everybody's trying to knock you down, and.

[Unknown]

It'S not going to work, and no one's going to like it.

[Bridget Todd]

And then, boom, it's everywhere.

[Unknown]

And that was that moment.

[Bridget Todd]

Listen to There Are no Girls on the Internet, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Erica]

This is an iHeart podcast.