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Unknown Speaker 2
If Alex Pereira wrestles for two years straight. Nothing else, just wrestling. Alex Pereira, Olympic champion.
Islam Makhachev
97.
Unknown Speaker 2
He's so strong.
Islam Makhachev
97.
Unknown Speaker 2
97 kilos. Snyder, if. Listen.
Islam Makhachev
You don't believe this?
Unknown Speaker 2
No. What do you mean I don't believe it?
Islam Makhachev
Wrestling, brother. How someone striking guy come to the wrestling and two years be Olympic champion?
Unknown Speaker 2
Why does he take him down? What are you talking about?
Islam Makhachev
One minute. Sadulayev sent him 10 0.
Unknown Speaker 2
Then why has nobody done this to him in MMA? Because he only fights strikers. He doesn't know.
Islam Makhachev
Put him Ankala. Yes, put him against Uncalaev.
Unknown Speaker 2
You think Uncalaev take him down?
Islam Makhachev
Of course. Easy. Hoofa. Who beat him like wrestling guy who have opponent who he have a point.
Unknown Speaker 2
Who are you talking about?
Islam Makhachev
Prakashka or who Yovich took him?
Unknown Speaker 2
Jan Behovich is a wrestler.
Islam Makhachev
Okay, uncle. Live. What happened? How many times uncle? I take him down. Hold him three rounds there. Brother. Dagestan.
Unknown Speaker 2
It's so my son's group of kids. You know how last time I sent my kids there.
Islam Makhachev
You want your son?
Unknown Speaker 2
They go next to Dagestan. My son and the rest of his team.
Islam Makhachev
Send your son to go.
Unknown Speaker 2
But I'm going too, though I'm not. He can't go by himself.
Islam Makhachev
Why? Brother? If you want your son high level wrestling, send him two, three years. Dagestan forget three years. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 2
You're out of your fucking mind.
Islam Makhachev
Two weeks, six months. One times you can call him two weeks.
Unknown Speaker 2
Frankie out there going to son for one month. Yeah, my son's not Going for six weeks, man or no. Too long. Hey, Islam, thank you for checking in with me, man. I appreciate it. Even though Ali tried to keep his park. Can you believe this?
Islam Makhachev
Yes, yes. I told the old story after.
Unknown Speaker 2
Huh?
Islam Makhachev
A lot of camera. I told the old story.
Unknown Speaker 2
You tell me. You tell me the whole story. Yeah, because you know it is it. You know, many, many. I sent him the picture. See this? Many, many people love Islam.
Islam Makhachev
Yeah, because your channel have more views with me.
Unknown Speaker 2
Did everybody you see this? This is crazy. This interview started. We like the perfect partnership. This is the way the interview needs to go. Yeah, like this. Not you, though. You need to stay off the interview. What's up, champ? How you feeling?
Islam Makhachev
Good.
Unknown Speaker 2
I've been trying to this fight with Dustin Poirier. I think this is a very important fight for you because of his. His standing in mixed martial arts. I feel like in order to build a star, you have to go through the stars of the past. Do you understand what that means? Do you feel like Dustin Poirier plays that part?
Islam Makhachev
Yeah, Dustin, one of the biggest name in my career. I know this maybe Oliveira, Volkanovski, but Dustin, I think it's a high level name in this sport because this guy have crazy experience, beat a lot of tough guys, fight for the belt many times. That's why I'm very excited.
Unknown Speaker 2
You know, when you fought Alexander Volkanovski the last time you knocked him out. You're sitting there waiting and you're watching all these guys fight in essentially a tournament to see who gets you next. It's Justin Gaethje. If he gets through Max, he wins. He'll get you. Armand Tsarukian, Dustin poirier and Benoit St. Denis. Did you expect Dustin Poirier to be the guy that came out of all.
Islam Makhachev
Of this honestly, like 50, 50? I expect like Dustin is gonna be next, but I feel someone after UFC 300 took the chance. Because if Oliveira beat Arman, I think he will say yes, but Arman say no. And I understand when Arman beat him, he will say no. And I expect.
Unknown Speaker 2
Why did you think Armand would say no?
Islam Makhachev
Because I don't know what this guy need to fight with me. He always talk about this fight, always want very much, but when he have chance, he always say no. It's not first time.
Unknown Speaker 2
It's not the first time. He said no.
Islam Makhachev
It's not first time.
Unknown Speaker 2
He wants a full training camp.
Islam Makhachev
I don't know what he want, but I don't give him some small chance. First time. I beat him all three rounds.
Unknown Speaker 2
Not on every scorecard, one round was 29, 28.
Islam Makhachev
I beat him all rounds.
Unknown Speaker 2
In your opinion?
Islam Makhachev
In judge opinion.
Unknown Speaker 2
One judge gave him 29, 28.
Islam Makhachev
Islam, brother, watch again.
Unknown Speaker 2
What did the judge say?
Islam Makhachev
I don't know what the judge say, but I beat him on unanimous decision.
Unknown Speaker 2
You did win unanimous decision. I had an argument the other day and people speak about resumes and they say how your resume doesn't match up to Dustin Poirier's. Do you hear that? And does that annoy you when people try to say, well, Islam's resume, he has not been through all the best in the division to become the champion.
Islam Makhachev
But it's not make sense. I beat the guy who beat him too. You know, that's why I agree with this. He have more, more big name on his list, but it's. It means nothing.
Unknown Speaker 2
They wouldn't fight you, though. I keep telling people, I'm like, when he was trying to make his way to a championship, it was hard to get the fights right.
Islam Makhachev
Brother, how many times you remember somebody call my name when I'm not champion? I don't remember some guys who on top call my name. I want to fight with Islam all my life. I have the problem. But finally I finished this. Now the people want belt.
Unknown Speaker 2
Yeah. And they gotta go to.
Islam Makhachev
But I don't give.
Unknown Speaker 2
You know what's kind of weird right now? As I sit and I talk to you, you're like a. You're kind of like. You're like a big time star now. You're a different guy.
Islam Makhachev
I feel this.
Unknown Speaker 2
Huh?
Islam Makhachev
But I'm still.
Unknown Speaker 2
But no, you know, I don't feel it. I can feel it in your behaviors because of me trying to get you to sit down and do this interview the way Ali told me. I believe Ali.
Islam Makhachev
You believe Ali.
Unknown Speaker 2
I think I believe Ali because I'm looking at you right now.
Islam Makhachev
Last month, how many times I spoke with you?
Unknown Speaker 2
Just one time.
Islam Makhachev
One. Just second. Because I give you what you give me. I give you, brother. You called me last year, come to my podcast, come to my podcast. And I come. And you're right.
Unknown Speaker 2
And it was Ali. It was Ali. Right? Because you always do. So Dustin Poirier, where can he present problems for you? Be honest, Dustin, where can he present problems?
Islam Makhachev
Brother, if I stay in his distance, if I play his game, he's a very dangerous guy. And people know this. I know this. He has very, very good boxing. Somebody say Max Holloway have best boxing in his game. But Dustin beat him. And I believe he have best boxing.
Unknown Speaker 2
He's Got a good right hand too.
Islam Makhachev
Right hook, right hook, right hand. And like boxing is very good. But UFC is not boxing ufc, it's mma. That's why I'm the best MMA fighter I have. Boxing, wrestling and grappling.
Unknown Speaker 2
You know, everything I watched in the buildup, Dustin said he's going to knock you out in this fight. I've also seen Dustin training with Matias Gamrot, who's a phenomenal wrestler himself. It seems like he's doing all the things that he needs to do in order to give himself an opportunity to be successful against you. Also taking from the fight with Khabib, how much do you think he could take from that fight and apply it to the fight with you?
Islam Makhachev
It's not something you can learn from the couple months or one year wrestling. You can, you have to wrestle all your life from beginning, from your kids, you know, it's not like you can learn from one year, two years, three years. I know he doesn't believe he can beat me. He doesn't believe he can give. I can give him some chance, you know, that's why I will step inside the cage, pressure him, make him tyrant and finish him.
Unknown Speaker 2
You don't think that he. You don't think that he believes he can win this fight?
Islam Makhachev
100%? I don't.
Unknown Speaker 2
Why?
Islam Makhachev
Because you know, he's prime time is finished and I'm a worse opponent for him right now.
Unknown Speaker 2
Can you look at any of Dustin's past opponents and look outside of Khabib and go. I know I can do the same thing to him and put him to a point where I think I can break him.
Islam Makhachev
What all like high level wrestling I did with him. I can do this easy, much easier. Do you believe me?
Unknown Speaker 2
I don't know, man. I'm calling the fight.
Islam Makhachev
How you don't know? I take you down. How? I'm not taking down Dustin.
Unknown Speaker 2
Let's see Romero Cotton's video again. We're gonna do this again. We'll go to Romero Cotton's video again.
Islam Makhachev
And brother, you always bring your camera guy. And where I take down you cut. This is true.
Unknown Speaker 2
That's not true. That is not true. When Romero Cotton raised the hand. When Romero Cotton go to the center.
Islam Makhachev
Who Handy, right? It's your guy, brother. It's your guy.
Unknown Speaker 2
We were all teammates. It was just the same.
Islam Makhachev
This is a bullshit decision, brother.
Unknown Speaker 2
It was a bullshit decision. Islam, the your goal is to be the best pound foul fighter in the world, which you are right now. Is there a certain way you need to Win this fight this weekend over Dustin Poirier.
Islam Makhachev
Yeah, that's right. I have to make this fight easy and show my level to the all worlds.
Unknown Speaker 2
Who's the toughest matchup? Poirier in his division. Because I'm watching right now. You telling me that the number one contender right now, Dustin Poirier, you need to beat impressively. Who do you think at 155 can present problems for you? Armand. I mean, Armand. It's universally thought that Armand gave you the toughest fight of your career.
Islam Makhachev
I don't see someone who can give me a tough fight. I have other goal, other target. I want to jump other division. Maybe there have some big guy, but I know I can be double champ. The champion at 170 is like you.
Unknown Speaker 2
The champion at 170 is.
Islam Makhachev
Yeah, I can be.
Unknown Speaker 2
Who's the champion at 170?
Islam Makhachev
Edwards.
Unknown Speaker 2
Remember before you couldn't remember his name?
Islam Makhachev
No, I know his name from the first day in US I'm training. He came at AKA you guys training with him. Yeah, I know him.
Unknown Speaker 2
He gave you many problems that day. I remember this training session.
Islam Makhachev
Who give him?
Unknown Speaker 2
Leon Edwards giving you many problems.
Islam Makhachev
But this is my first firing in the US he gave you many problems. I watch now people understand you're lying, brother.
Unknown Speaker 2
So you guys didn't train together?
Islam Makhachev
We did my first sparring in US with Leon. Okay, okay. I stepped to the case, coach. How say I don't understand. I don't speak English. He said, this guy very good striker. And I was thinking, wow, I cannot lose first parting in us. In the cage. In the cage. This is my first sparring in the cage. And when time is beginning, I go to double leg take him down. But that time he's not good wrestler.
Unknown Speaker 2
He learned wrestling.
Islam Makhachev
Yes. He come to learn, but he's not. But right now, maybe he's good on wrestling. He can defend, but that kind is like weak point wrestling. And I take him down, hold him.
Unknown Speaker 2
Another storyline in this fight is Dustin guillotine that's become like a whole. It's taken on a life of its own. Like.
Islam Makhachev
You make this joke, brother. He have good guillotine. You make this joke.
Unknown Speaker 2
I didn't make it a joke. You make it a joke because you start to smirk when you say it. Because it's almost feel like you don't think he can ever catch you in a guillotine, brother.
Islam Makhachev
I don't remember when Dustin catch somebody with the guillotine.
Unknown Speaker 2
He hasn't gotten one yet.
Islam Makhachev
He jump.
Unknown Speaker 2
He's jump a guillotine but he hasn't got a guillotine yet.
Islam Makhachev
I hope one day, but it's not gonna be me.
Unknown Speaker 2
You know what's. You know what's kind of crazy? You know what's kind of crazy about you? You like these. You like this orange?
Islam Makhachev
No, no orange.
Unknown Speaker 2
Why?
Islam Makhachev
I like gold, bro.
Unknown Speaker 2
You? Yeah, you did. You know what? You remember last time you and I, we sat down with Alexander Volkanowski and you laughed at his wrestling. And then when you guys had that fight the first time he took it out. You don't think that maybe sometimes you should like not make fun of people.
Islam Makhachev
When he take me down?
Unknown Speaker 2
He took it on in the fifth round. Didn't he take it on in the fifth round?
Islam Makhachev
No, he land good punch, but not take down. He tried to take me down a lot of times, but now it's not working. Brother, you know my wrestling.
Unknown Speaker 2
You do have a good wrestler.
Islam Makhachev
I defend you like heavyweight guy. How like small guy take me down.
Unknown Speaker 2
I watched Chase taking on Chase the last time. Last time when you try to run.
Islam Makhachev
Out the rest of them, people make memes with Chase. Please.
Unknown Speaker 2
You know, kids started doing this like everywhere I look now people try to do this movie, do the chase.
Islam Makhachev
I teach your your guys, brother.
Unknown Speaker 2
This is the greatest.
Islam Makhachev
I can come your class and give some master class. You know in that move. Yes. Not just mood like other things. I have.
Unknown Speaker 2
You said you wanted to fight back in the United States. How excited are you to be back in the Jersey have an opportunity to fight back here.
Islam Makhachev
Yeah, very happy to fight here. And I want again come to Madison Square Garden. I want to fight there.
Unknown Speaker 2
Do you want to fight in November again?
Islam Makhachev
Yeah. It's against Armand. Yes, if they say Armand.
Unknown Speaker 2
Conor McGregor. If he gets to Chandler.
Islam Makhachev
I'm not choice put someone in front of me, close the cage and go. Maybe you will come back. Come to AKA Come to AKA when you lost time in AKA when you lost time in the gym, man, I won.
Unknown Speaker 2
You see that's. That's the problem with you now. You're very disrespectful. I liked you better when you were a kid that barely spoke English. And you were nice man.
Islam Makhachev
But I care about you. You have to training, dude. Because khabib always training. Why you show like this?
Unknown Speaker 2
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Islam Makhachev
Golf don't play golf.
Unknown Speaker 2
Why?
Islam Makhachev
Because golf you don't lose like zero calories. Shut and go walk shot again. I play one time. You don't walk. You buy. You go by car.
Unknown Speaker 2
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Islam Makhachev
Yes, that's. You have to do some some other sports tomorrow. I'm going to walk make you working a little bit. No, play soccer better for you.
Unknown Speaker 2
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Islam Makhachev
Us don't have good and soccer. How are you?
Unknown Speaker 2
I'm really good, bro. You got to stop disrespecting my country, man. You stop saying we're not good at stuff.
Islam Makhachev
No, I respect your country because we.
Unknown Speaker 2
Did win the last three world championships team and we're the best.
Islam Makhachev
Last one who? The best?
Unknown Speaker 2
We won the last three world championships.
Islam Makhachev
No way.
Unknown Speaker 2
Yes we did, brother. Taylor Dake world champion. Taylor world champion. Gilman world champion. Zane Rutherford world champion. We have world champion after world champion after world champion, brother.
Islam Makhachev
You talk about big country. What about Dagestan? How many champions?
Unknown Speaker 2
But you guys didn't have new champions last year.
Islam Makhachev
We have other countries represent other countries because the competition in the inside Dagestan, it's different level.
Unknown Speaker 2
There's only 10 world champions, bro.
Islam Makhachev
We had five of them other than five from Dagestan.
Unknown Speaker 2
Not true, man. Islam Mahachev takes on Dustin Poirier this weekend at UFC 302. Make sure you tap into what the champ is doing everywhere. Follow him on social. And we're going to the Olympic games, right?
Islam Makhachev
Yes.
Unknown Speaker 2
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Islam Makhachev
Make sure you buy pay per view.
Unknown Speaker 2
Buy the pay per view. Till next time. Later, champ.
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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Episode: Daniel Cormier TV - Daniel Cormier THROWBACK: Islam Makhachev on beating Poirier, Alex Pereira, DC's kids in Dagestan
Release Date: April 5, 2025
Introduction
In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, former UFC Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight Champion Daniel Cormier engages in a retrospective conversation with UFC Lightweight Champion Islam Makhachev. The discussion delves into Islam's perspectives on upcoming fights, his training regimen, and his outlook on the current landscape of mixed martial arts (MMA).
Fighter Analysis: Islam Makhachev’s Skillset and Preparation
The conversation begins at [03:36], focusing on Islam Makhachev's preparation for his upcoming fight against Dustin Poirier at UFC 302. Daniel Cormier probes into Islam's mindset and preparedness for facing a seasoned striker like Poirier.
Notable Quote:
Daniel Cormier: "Do you feel like Dustin Poirier plays that part [as a star for you]?" [06:02]
Islam Makhachev: "Dustin, one of the biggest names in my career. I know he has crazy experience, beat a lot of tough guys, fought for the belt many times. That's why I'm very excited." [06:23]
Islam emphasizes the significance of fighting high-caliber opponents to elevate his own status in the sport. He acknowledges Poirier's experience and expresses enthusiasm for the challenge ahead.
Discussion on Dustin Poirier and Upcoming Fights
The dialogue progresses to the specifics of the upcoming fight against Poirier. Daniel questions whether Islam anticipated Poirier as his next opponent amidst a competitive field of contenders.
Notable Quote:
Daniel Cormier: "Do you feel like Dustin Poirier is the guy that came out of all?" [07:09]
Islam Makhachev: "Honestly, like 50-50? I expect Dustin is gonna be next, but I feel someone after UFC 300 might take the chance." [07:35]
Islam acknowledges the unpredictability in fight matchups but maintains that fighting Poirier is a likely and fitting next step in his career trajectory.
Wrestling vs. Striking: Strategies and Strengths
A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Islam's wrestling prowess versus Poirier's striking abilities. Islam asserts his dominance in wrestling and grappling, which he believes gives him a strategic advantage in MMA over pure strikers.
Notable Quotes:
Islam Makhachev: "UFC is not boxing, UFC is MMA. That's why I'm the best MMA fighter I have. Boxing, wrestling, and grappling." [10:37]
Islam Makhachev: "If I stay in his distance, if I play his game, he's a very dangerous guy. But I will step inside the cage, pressure him, make him tire, and finish him." [10:55]
Islam underscores the multifaceted nature of MMA, highlighting that his comprehensive skill set in wrestling and grappling equips him to handle opponents who may excel in other areas like striking.
Commentary on Other Fighters: Armand, Leon Edwards, and More
The discussion shifts to other prominent fighters in the division, including Armand Petrosyan and Leon Edwards. Islam shares his opinions on their abilities and potential as competitors.
Notable Quotes:
Islam Makhachev: "Armand always talks about this fight, always wants it very much, but when he has a chance, he always says no. It's not the first time." [07:35]
Islam Makhachev: "Leon Edwards gave me many problems during our sparring session. He's a very good striker." [14:10]
Islam expresses skepticism about Armand's commitment to fighting him, suggesting that despite Armand's vocal interest, he may lack the resolve to follow through. Regarding Leon Edwards, Islam acknowledges Edwards' striking skills but emphasizes his own wrestling superiority.
Future Prospects: Potential Match-ups and Goals
Looking ahead, Islam discusses his aspirations beyond the current division, hinting at potential interest in moving up weight classes to challenge for titles in higher divisions.
Notable Quotes:
Islam Makhachev: "I have other goals, other targets. I want to jump to another division. Maybe there have some big guy, but I know I can be double champ." [13:11]
Islam Makhachev: "If they say Armand, I'm not choice putting someone in front of me." [16:55]
Islam reveals his ambition to not only defend his current title but also to seek championships in other weight classes, showcasing his confidence and drive to solidify his legacy in MMA.
Perspectives on Training and Discipline
Throughout the interview, Islam emphasizes the importance of continuous training and discipline, drawing parallels between his training routines and those of legendary fighters like Khabib Nurmagomedov.
Notable Quotes:
Islam Makhachev: "You have to wrestle all your life from the beginning, from your kids. It's not like you can learn from one year, two years, three years." [11:23]
Islam Makhachev: "You have to do some other sports tomorrow. I'm going to walk, make you work a little bit. No, play soccer better for you." [16:50]
Islam highlights that mastering disciplines like wrestling requires lifelong dedication and cannot be acquired rapidly, underscoring his commitment to rigorous and sustained training.
Conclusion
The episode concludes with a blend of promotional segments and a final exchange between Daniel Cormier and Islam Makhachev. Islam reaffirms his determination to excel in his upcoming fight against Poirier and beyond, while also showcasing his personality and approach to competition.
Closing Remarks:
Islam Makhachev: "Make sure you buy the pay per view." [19:26]
Daniel Cormier: "Till next time. Later, champ." [19:35]
Final Thoughts
This episode offers an in-depth look into Islam Makhachev's mindset as he prepares for one of his most significant fights against Dustin Poirier. Through candid discussions on fight strategy, opponent analysis, and personal ambition, listeners gain valuable insights into the discipline and determination that drive one of MMA's top fighters.
Notable Quotes Compilation
These quotes encapsulate the essence of Islam Makhachev's approach to fighting, his respect for his opponents, and his unwavering commitment to excellence in MMA.