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There's no better way to explain what Armin did on last weekend in Doha. He beat him from pillar to post, essentially, and really did reestablish himself as the number one contender. So Armin Tsarukian has long been one of, if not the best lightweights in the world. Even when Islam was going to fight him in Los Angeles, many felt like that was going to be easily the hardest fight that Islam could have had. Obviously, the fight didn't happen because Armen ended up pulling out the night before with a back injury. It felt like the ufc, at least to all the people close to Armen, were going to really put him on a back burner and almost punish him, right, for not fighting and almost changing an entire fight card the night before it happened. Then Armin goes and weighs in as a backup fighter. When Ilia Toporia fought Charles Oliveira for the belt, right, that was one you thought that might get him a little good grace. They know he can make way because there's a lot of people that thought Arman didn't wrestle or didn't fight because he couldn't make the weight in Los Angeles. But then when he goes and he's the backup fighter, he makes the weight easily steps on the scale, you start to think maybe he will get credit for that and he'll get a chance to fight for the belt. That didn't happen. You figured he could have waited and possibly gotten the title shot, but he right away schedules a fight against Dan Hooker, who was riding hot at the time. One thing that people like to do when somebody gets beaten, the way that Hooker got beat last weekend, is they speak about him and the things that he might have struggled with in the past. But what they forget is the state that the person was in at the time of the event he had just beat. Matthias Gamerock looked phenomenal in that fight, defended every takedown. Gamrot tried to take him down, beat him up and won him a decision, was very close. Remember, Armin went tooth and nail with Matus Gamrot. Now, I'm not trying to tell you that MMA math works. That's not the case. I'm telling you that Dan Hooker had shown an ability to defend takedowns. He just didn't know that he would have to show an ability above that ability to defend takedowns against Arman Tsurukin. So. So Arman weighs in as the backup fighter. Arman shows up to Doha to fight Dan Hooker, a guy who's riding hot in a place where he really didn't have much to gain because he was already the number one contender. He was already the number one contender. We established that way back in January when he was supposed to fight Islam Makhachev. Remember an Islam Makhachev fight who back in the day was much closer than many fights we have seen Islam involved in. Even now up at 170, we have not seen him struggle or have as tough a time with those guys and as he had with Arman Tsurukian. All that is is is background information before you start trying to poke a hole in the case that I'm trying to make now. Saturday you go in as a minus 800 favorite against Dan Hooker. That in itself tells you what the world thinks of Armen, especially in this matchup. He goes out there, not only does he win because he's supposed to win, he dominates Dan Hooker. It never felt like this fight was close. It never felt like this fight was competitive. It felt like you had a guy that was the number one contender fighting a guy who was very, very good, who was fighting very, very well, but did not truly belong fighting with that guy. We always say sometimes when you're younger and you're wrestling or you're in sport, sometimes you win to a place that you're really not suited for. It looked like on Saturday, Dan Hooker had won so much above what he was supposed to win that he found himself in a place that he written didn't really belong. The guy was just better. Armin beat him up. Armin beat him up, finished him. What does he earn? Only a title fight, which he already had. Which he already had. Now, the. The problem with the whole scenario is when Ilia Toporia won the belt, Patty Pimblett was in the arena with Justin Gaethje and so many others. Patty goes into the Octagon. Now everybody gets this visual of Patty and Iliad, when in reality, I don't know that Patty, and he's great, has a resume that has earned him that title. Fight over Arman Tsarukian, because now Armin has beaten Benil Darius, Charles Oliveira and Dan Hooker. Patty hasn't lost, but Patty beat Michael Chandler. So the resume doesn't match. But again, the visual of them in the Octagon feels like that was a number one contender. Arman wasn't there. So by winning Saturday, he earned what he already had back in January. But now the champion, the great Ilot Toria, is saying, I want to fight Patty Pimblet. He said after the. After Armond 1, he goes, I'm still Wanting to fight Patty Pimblet. He doesn't seem to to want to fight Armin Tsarukian, and I don't know that he's given as much reason as to why he doesn't want to fight Armin Tsarukian. The reality is that's the fight. It is Armin. It is Armin versus Ilia. There really shouldn't be there. We really shouldn't be discussing anything past Armin versus Ilia. If we are okay, Patty Pimblett, that's fine, right? It's big hype. If it's going to be the first Paramount card I get, people would tune in because Patty does garner a lot of attention. But in terms of a matchup, in terms of a fight, it's Ilia to Poirier versus Armin Tsurukian. And it's not even questionable. I know for a fact that they wanted to do Patty versus Justin a win over Justin after what he's done already. Now I would have bought Patty Pimlet fighting for the belt right now because I still believe that Patty needs to continue to grow in the Octagon a little bit because he's right at the ship. And now he's fought so well that we go, man, the way he beat Chandler, we've never seen that before. But Ilya is a different beast. He's a savage, but so is Armin Tsarukian. I believe that Armin versus Illy is the fight, man, 100% from the interactions they have, the way that you could tell that those guys don't like each other. Ilya said he slapped him the other day. Armin said he touched his face, and now he's saying he slapped him. It's easy to build a fight between these two, because when you build a fight between these two, you feel like it's going to be very competitive. You feel like there is a chance Arman Tsarukian can win. But you also know that there's not a person in the world that Ilia Toporia can't beat. With these great champions, there is nothing better than going into a fight knowing that they are going to have their hands full and they're going to be challenged. It feels like that's a fight that would challenge the great Ilot Toria. I mean, arman lost in 2022 versus Gamrot, but he's a different person. He's won five in a row. He has earned an opportunity to fight for the belt. I think Ilia should grant that. I think Ilia should go, okay, that's the guy because he just fought Charles Oliveira and Charles Olivera had lost to Arman very recently. That's just the truth. So if you're willing to fight Charles, you should fight Arman. I think it's a great fight, you guys. I don't know why though. Why is this fight not already happening outside of us seeing Patty in there as the number one contender? Why? And for the people that might want to go and tell me in the comments, people that might want to go. Well, he's afraid of Armen. He's already. He still wants to fight Ilya or sorry, Ilya still wants to fight Islam. Ilya even said, I'll go to 170, fight Patty there so that I'm in the same weight class as Islam. It sounds like they're not wanting Ilya to go up again, but he's willing to go up and fight Islam. So it's hard to say that he's afraid of Armin Tsarukian. But I still don't understand the answers. I don't know why we're getting this hesitancy from Toporia to fight Armen Tsarukian. It needs to happen. You guys let me know in the comments what you think. Who's the number one contender? Is it Arming or is it Patty Pimlet? It's boiled down to those two. It seems like it's a two man race. Who do you think should be in the octagon with the champion, ILI Toporia the next time he goes in there. All right, till next time, guys. Like subscribe and tell your friends. I've got a YouTube channel and I'm doing things like this. Until next time. Peace.
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Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Episode: Daniel Cormier TV – DC ARGUES Ilia Topuria HAS TO FIGHT Arman Tsarukyan Next: "IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN"
Air Date: November 29, 2025
Main Theme:
Daniel Cormier (DC) passionately discusses why Ilia Topuria, UFC's champion, should defend his title against number one contender Arman Tsarukyan. DC breaks down the lightweight division's landscape, analyzes recent performances and resumes, and debates why this matchup is essential for the sport's legitimacy.
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"He beat [Hooker] from pillar to post... really did reestablish himself as the number one contender." – Daniel Cormier [04:20]
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"It looked like on Saturday Dan Hooker had won so much above what he was supposed to win that he found himself in a place that he really didn't belong. The guy was just better. Arman beat him up. Arman beat him up, finished him." – Daniel Cormier [07:50]
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"I don't know that Paddy, and he's great, has a resume that has earned him that title fight over Arman Tsarukyan... Arman has beaten Benil Dariush, Charles Oliveira, and Dan Hooker. Paddy hasn't lost, but Paddy beat Michael Chandler. So the resume doesn't match." – Daniel Cormier [09:20]
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"It is Arman. It is Arman versus Ilia. There really shouldn't be—there—we really shouldn't be discussing anything past Arman versus Ilia... in terms of a matchup, in terms of a fight, it's Ilia Topuria versus Arman Tsurukian. And it's not even questionable." – Daniel Cormier [10:30]
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"It's hard to say that he's afraid of Arman Tsarukyan. But I still don't understand the answers. I don't know why we're getting this hesitancy from Topuria to fight Armen Tsarukyan. It needs to happen." – Daniel Cormier [14:05]
On Arman’s Progression:
"Arman lost in 2022 versus Gamrot, but he's a different person. He's won five in a row. He has earned an opportunity to fight for the belt. I think Ilia should grant that." – Daniel Cormier [13:58]
On the Marketability vs. Sporting Integrity Debate:
"If it's going to be the first Paramount card, I get people would tune in because Paddy does garner a lot of attention. But in terms of a matchup, in terms of a fight, it's Ilia Topuria versus Arman Tsurukyan and it's not even questionable." – Daniel Cormier [10:40]
This episode of The Herd, featuring Daniel Cormier, delivers a passionate case for why Arman Tsarukyan is unequivocally the next challenger for Ilia Topuria’s UFC title. DC meticulously breaks down Tsarukyan’s journey, highlights recent dominant performances, and directly contrasts the competitiveness of contender resumes. He critiques the promotion’s temptation to make commercial matchups over sporting merit, calling for the sport's integrity to be upheld by booking Topuria vs. Tsarukyan. The episode finishes with a direct appeal to listeners, inviting their opinions on who should fight for the title and reiterating the importance of rightful challengers in modern MMA.