Daniel Cormier TV - DC on texting Jack Della Maddalena, Luke Rockhold KO, Islam Makhachev

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

"Daniel Cormier TV - DC on texting Jack Della Maddalena, Luke Rockhold KO, Islam Makhachev"

Date: September 6, 2025
Hosts: Daniel Cormier (DC), Dean Thomas

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Three Rounds with Daniel Cormier" (presented as a segment in The Herd) dives into the UFC’s hottest topics: the mental games ahead of Islam Makhachev vs. Jack Della Maddalena, the painful spectacle of MMA veterans being KO’d in post-retirement bouts—specifically Luke Rockhold's recent knockouts—and the stacked UFC middleweight division. Cormier and Thomas blend expert knowledge with personal anecdotes, confronting tough questions about fighter legacy and accountability in combat sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Makhachev vs. Jack Della Maddalena: Mind Games and Matchup Dynamics

• Jack Della Maddalena’s Pre-Fight Comments:
  Jack Della claims Islam Makhachev is an “easier fight” than Bilal Muhammad, citing Makhachev’s striking as more predictable.

  • Dean Thomas (03:43): “I don't necessarily agree with him... Islam’s style is a little more predictable, a little more fundamentally sound than Bilal. Bilal is a little bit more wild, makes him a little bit more unpredictable.”
  • Daniel Cormier (04:09): “Jack Della Maddalena is doing what he needs to... to not only give himself confidence, but really try to poke away at the confidence of Makhachev.”

• On Breaking the Dagestani Aura:
  The panel discusses how “poking away” at Makhachev’s confidence is as much psychological warfare as it is physical.

  • Dean Thomas (05:15): “For so long, the Dagani wrestlers... have had guys losing before the fight started. But as we see, the gap is closing... The more that Jack pokes away at him and lets them know, ‘listen, I'm not afraid of you,’ I think that gives him a lot of advantages.”

• Fight Outlook:
  The key is Maddalena’s takedown defense. The hosts agree he must keep it standing to tilt odds in his favor, given Makhachev’s finishing streak.

  • Daniel Cormier (05:56): “Ultimately, this fight is going to come down to exactly what happened in the Bilal fight. If he can defend takedowns and make Makhachev fight him...standing, that's where his chances are elevated.”
  • Cormier also notes Makhachev has finished 7 of his last 8 opponents—Volkanovski being the exception. (07:21)

• Training Edge:
  Dean emphasizes the role of grappling coach Craig Jones, suggesting with more prep time, Maddalena is the best prepared yet to counter Makhachev (06:52).

• Notable Moment—Texting Jack Della:

  • Daniel Cormier (07:53): “I just texted, far Jack. I go, jack, wrong, bro. What's up? Why, Jack? Why? And Jack Della wrote back, the champ. The champ just wrote back, 'my bad, DC. It was a bad take.'”
    — Showing the light-hearted, respectful rapport between analyst and athlete.

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2. Luke Rockhold’s Knockouts and Fighter Legacy

• The KO by Darren Till:
  Rockhold was KO’d in a “spectacle” boxing match, following a string of painful losses outside of MMA.

  • Dean Thomas (08:59): “I couldn't bring myself to even watching the whole fight just because I felt so bad for Luke Rockhold... These guys are retired. They should not be in this position to be getting knocked out by these killers.”

• Feeling for Friends in the Game:
  Cormier, as Rockhold’s friend, laments seeing former champions risk legacy and health for such fights.

  • Daniel Cormier (10:24): “It sucks when you see a guy that was a champion all of a sudden almost say, ‘to hell with the legacy. I’m just gonna go get paid.’”
  • He traces Rockhold’s chin issues back to when Bisping KO’d him, suggesting opponents never looked back.

• Who Is Responsible?
  The pair struggles with the question: Who intervenes when a great is past their prime?

  • Daniel Cormier (11:49): “Who, like, ultimately... who does the majority of it fall on? How do you tell a Luke Rock...hey, you're not good enough anymore?”
  • Dean Thomas (12:06): “I don't know. That’s the problem... it may fall on the commissions for signing off.”

• Exploitation in "Legend Fights":

  • Dean Thomas (11:28): “What they’re doing to these retired MMA guys is exploitative and absolutely wrong. Taking advantage of their names and... using these guys as springboards for their own organizations.”

• Painful Final Moment:

  • Daniel Cormier (12:44): “You could just tell that it don't matter. Like it just doesn't matter to him that he got knocked out. And that sucks.”

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3. Middleweight Madness: Who Gets the Next Shot?

• Who is Champion?

  • Slight confusion about champion status. Cormier jokes Hamzat “don’t fight enough” (13:54), setting a lighter tone for a deeper division breakdown.

• Logjam at Contender Level:
  Multiple plausible contenders—Nassourdine Imavov, Kyle Bahio, Fluffy Hernandez, Rainier De Ridder—make predicting the next title challenger tough, especially with recent shakeups.

  • Dean Thomas (14:47): “I can't say comfortably that this is for... the number one contender.”
  • Both note Fluffy’s momentum after an impressive last fight.

• What It Takes:

  • Dean Thomas (15:52): “That’s when you gotta have a holy shit moment. Because a holy shit moment is what will push you over the edge and force Dana’s hand to give you that title shot.”
    • Bahio may win, but cautious Imavov is a tough opponent to look “spectacular” against.

• Odds & Perceptions:

  • Despite the expert view that these are close fights, bookmakers favor Fluffy and Bahio.
  • Daniel Cormier (17:07): “If [Fluffy] drowns Rainier De Ridder in the way that he did... There’s no way you could say that he doesn’t deserve a title shot.”
  • Dean Thomas (18:00): “De Ridder...should be getting some respect...he can always rely on his grappling.”

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4. Legacy, Friendship, and Speaking Up (Final Thoughts)

• Cormier’s Candid Reflection:

  • Daniel Cormier (21:46): “When you are a champion...there are so many ways for you to make money outside of... boxing or bare knuckle... Find alternatives, guys. You don't have to fight forever.”
  • He warns against the “undefeated” Father Time, calling out the sadness of watching legends go out “like that.”

• Responsibility to Speak Up:
  Cormier and Thomas stress the importance of friends voicing concern when retired fighters make risky choices.

  • Daniel Cormier: “If you're a friend of a guy that was a great fighter... don't hold your tongue. Say it. Because Dean and I did. We both regret that we didn't speak up sooner."
    (21:46–24:08)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Mind Games in MMA:

  • “Jack Della Maddalena is doing what he needs to... to not only give himself confidence, but really try to poke away at the confidence of Makhachev.”
    — Daniel Cormier (04:09)

• About the Dagestani “Aura”:

  • “For so long, the Dagani wrestlers... have been running through everybody else. So that aura... has had guys losing before the fight started. But as we see, the gap is closing.”
    — Dean Thomas (05:15)

• Fighter Exploitation:

  • “What they’re doing to these retired MMA guys is exploitative and absolutely wrong. Taking advantage of their names... now they're using these guys as springboards for their own organizations.”
    — Dean Thomas (11:28)

• On Speaking Up for Friends:

  • “If you're a friend of a guy that was a great fighter... don't hold your tongue. Say it. Because Dean and I did [not]. We both regret that we didn't speak up sooner."
    — Daniel Cormier (24:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening Banter & Previews: 02:39–03:43
• Makhachev vs. Jack Della Maddalena Analysis: 03:43–08:17
• DC Texts Jack Della Maddalena: 07:50–08:17
• Luke Rockhold KO/Retired Fighters in Boxing: 08:29–13:01
• Who Should Be Responsible for Retired Fighters?: 11:49–13:01
• Middleweight Division Breakdown: 13:51–18:40
• Bookmakers vs. Analysts on Middleweights: 17:07–18:18
• Final Thoughts on Champion Legacy, Friendship, and Speaking Up: 21:46–24:08

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Tone & Style

DC and Dean’s rapport is friendly, occasionally ribbing, but always respectful and driven by firsthand experience. The mood shifts from playful banter to serious reflections about fighter health and career choices, offering a blend of insider knowledge, candor, and deep care for the MMA community.

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A must-listen for MMA fans looking for more than just fight picks—this episode digs into the psychology, fallout, and ethics of contemporary mixed martial arts.

Transcript

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[Daniel Cormier]

What'S up guys? Welcome to a brand new episode of Three Rounds with Daniel Cormier and my guy, Dean Thomas. Dino. What's up baby?

[Dean Thomas]

Man, what's happening, man? Good to see you. Always a pleasure to chop it up with you.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, it was a grind. It's been a grind, bro. Like I've been in training camp. Hey, last time we fought it was like I got you out of there in the first round on that.

[Dean Thomas]

I'm ready for you now, baby. I don't went to war with demons. I'm ready today.

[Daniel Cormier]

And he won. And he won. So, yes, further proven. All right, Dino. Let's go, boys. Ready for the fight. Round one, Dean Thomas. So Islam Makhachev is now fighting Jack Della Madeleina in Madison Square Garden. We know that as the date, but the words are starting to come out from the Jack Dela side. Do you agree with Jack Della, Maddalena, when he says Islam Makhachev is an easier fight because his standup isn't as good as Bilal Muhammad?

[Dean Thomas]

I don't necessarily agree with him on this, but I understand what he's trying to say. I think because Islam Mahachev's striking style is a little more predictable, he's a little bit more fundamentally sound than Bilal. So Bilal is a little bit more wild, makes him a little bit more unpredictable. So I think the fact that Islam is a little more predictable, it might be a little easier to see punches coming from him and to fend and to defend punches.

[Daniel Cormier]

Well. It's just something that he's experienced before. But Jack Della even said he thought that Volk beat him in Perth, Western Australia in the first fight. I don't agree, but I got to tell you this, Jack Della Maddalena is doing what he needs to do to not only give himself confidence, but really try to poke away at the confidence of Makhachev. Makhachev feels like he's the best fighter in the world. He was proven that as in the more powerful pound. But Jack Dela is doing what he feels he needs to to kind of try to get into the mind. Because, Dean, you and I both know it's not just about the fight. There is so much that goes into not only preparation and getting ready for a fight, but also poking and prodding at guys. I remember multiple times in fights where every time I came into contact with the person, I tried to chip away at the confidence and the assuredness that they had. And I kind of feel like Jack Della believes that. Dean, I can't imagine watching Islam you feel like his striking isn't up to par with Bal.

[Dean Thomas]

Well, here's the thing. You're right about this. You have to pick away at those guys because for so long, the Dagani wrestlers have been so far ahead of everybody else. They've been running through everybody else. So that aura around them has had guys losing before the fight started. But as we see, the gap is closing. Marab and Umar, Paul Hughes and Usman Magomedov. That was as close as to a Fight as you can get. So the aura around them is closing. So the more that Jack pokes away at him and lets them know, listen, I'm not afraid of you. I'm not afraid of the Dagistani style wrestling. I think that gives him a lot of advantages. So if nothing else, this is just letting them know we're not afraid, and we are going to come at your head.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's the thing, though, right? It's. I, I, I believe that Jack Della is going to have to deal with the, the, the wrestling of Islam, of course, the striking of Islam, of course. But ultimately, this fight is going to come down to exactly what happened in the Bilal fight. If he can defend takedowns and make Makhachev fight him over the course of a long fight standing Dean, that's where his chances are elevated. Because as long as he's getting grappled down, it's going to be hard for him because there's no one like Islam on top. That's why he's finishing everybody. I don't know, it's like a crazy stat. Makhachev finished, like the last seven, eight guys he's fought, so he's not like just winning fights, he's finishing fights. And for Jack Dillon to stop that, he's got to ultimately stop his number one skill, and that's the wrestling. And after watching the Bilal Muhammad fight, he still, he seems more prepared to do that today than he might have been in the past.

[Dean Thomas]

And I think the answer lies in Craig Jones. Craig Jones has done an amazing job with those guys, especially with Volk, what he did with Volk, and then also too, with what we saw, the improvements from Jack Della that we saw from the Gilbert Burns fight to the Bal fight. And I think that's attributed to Craig Jones now giving Craig Jones has more time to help Jack Della this time.

[Daniel Cormier]

Well, he said three months this time, opposed to, like, weeks.

[Dean Thomas]

Yeah. And I think that doing, like, little jiu jitsu tricks and just different things that Craig can come up with, I think that's going to be the answer for him.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah. Yeah. And Makhachev has finished seven of eight. Only one that he did not finish recently is Volkanovski. In that very first fight, whenever they went, and he won a unanimous decision, I, I think there's a lot to this fight, and I think that it's one of the best fights that we could make in the ufc. And I'm happy that we're finally at a point, Dino, where we're making it look before we in round one, few weeks ago, I was on a. I was on a show, I was calling the fight, and it said, mute DC's mic. And Jack Della Madeleina actually was the one to retweet it. Did you see that?

[Dean Thomas]

I saw that. I'm like, yo, man, then what's up with this cat?

[Daniel Cormier]

Those up with Jack. So I just texted, far Jack. I go, jack, wrong, bro. What's up? Why, Jack? Why? And Jack Della wrote back, the champ. The champ just wrote back, my bad, dc. It was a bad take. Listen. So to the boy, Jack Della Madeleina, for responding to me when I said that. When I say, yo, Jack, what's up, baby? I've always been respectful. He go, my bad, dc. Bad take.

[Dean Thomas]

Yeah, man, I don't like that. Dc, you know how I feel about these dudes disrespecting the championship.

[Daniel Cormier]

Round two, Dean. Luke Rocco got knocked out last weekend, man. It was not good. Darren Till misfits boxing. Lot of heat on it, lot of arguing, lot of bravado, lot of chest poking out. And then when the fight started, Luke gets dropped in the first round. Fight keeps going, but then later he got dropped and finished bad. Dean, did you watch that? I know you saw the clip, but did you watch the fight?

[Dean Thomas]

I didn't watch the whole fight, man. I saw the two clips. I couldn't bring myself to even watching the whole fight just because I felt so bad for Luke Rockhold. The biggest issue here, dc, is we have to do a better job of not allowing these guys to get put in this position. I don't know what it is, man. We, you know, we complain about fighter pay, we complain about all this other stuff. Judges, refs. When are we going to say, yo, enough is enough, man? These guys are retired. They should not be in this position to be getting knocked out by these killers.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know what's crazy? It's like I was watching Darren Till, and Darren Till has always been a tremendous boxer. Like, that's one of the things that he can do. But I have not watched Luke, who's one of my great friends and a guy that had a great career get beat in bare knuckle boxing by Mike Perry, broke his jaw in his teeth, and get knocked out badly against Darren Till. And for me, what makes me sad is watching guys that have had those careers go and fight these fights that are really meaning they mean nothing and I guess it's for money, but it sucks when you see a guy that was a champion all of a sudden almost say, to hell with the legacy. I'm just gonna go get paid. Because it felt like Luke did a good job of helping to build the fight with the bad blood and everything.

[Dean Thomas]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But when you get past the surface, one of Luke's biggest issues has been, and I can say this as a friend to someone who loves him, is when Michael Bisping was able to hit him, people realized, oh, my God, if I can hit him, I can put him out. So then they just started going balls to the wall and trying to hit him, and then they would put him out. But now he's boxing where you're definitely going to get hit. And that, to me, is the problem.

[Dean Thomas]

I mean, who signed off on this? That to me?

[Daniel Cormier]

Well, he's got. He. Well, here's the thing about Luke, right? He's ultra confident. So if you're his management team, he will convince you that he's ready and he looks good physically. And these companies want to build off the name Dean. They want to build off what he did in his career and use him as a springboard. Because now, could you imagine what's in line for Darren Till? One thing. Darren Till should fight Jake Paul. That's won't fight him, though, because after seeing what he saw, he knows how dangerous that fight is.

[Dean Thomas]

100%. That's the next fight for Jake Paul. This Javonte Davis thing.

[Daniel Cormier]

Ah. Who.

[Dean Thomas]

I mean, who gives a damn about this? He needs to be fighting Darren Till right now. I'm telling you, though, what they're doing to these retired MMA guys is exploitative and absolutely wrong. Taking advantage of their names and the legacy and what they've created inside the Octagon. Now they're using these guys as springboards for their own organizations. And it is 100% wrong.

[Daniel Cormier]

Dino. Who. Who. But who, like, ultimately, like, who does the majority of it fall on? How do you tell a Luke Rock, hey, you're not good enough anymore? Like who. Whose responsibility is it to tell a Luke Rockhold, hey, you're not good enough anymore, you should not be fighting?

[Dean Thomas]

I don't know. That's the problem is I don't have the answer to that. Like, UFC did it because they cut him. Like, what other.

[Daniel Cormier]

You remember Chuck Liddell, right? They would not let Chuck fight anymore.

[Dean Thomas]

Exactly. I mean, but that's the thing. Like, what other professional organization will they allow a guy to participate? If you can't do the job, it may fall on the commissions. It may fall on commissions for signing off on these things.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, something. Something's got to change in that regard, because Bro, I hated it, bro. And he got knocked out so bad. And then you could tell when it don't matter much because right afterwards they're in a picture together at a bar.

[Dean Thomas]

After all that, right, Just to get paid. It's sad.

[Daniel Cormier]

You could just tell that it don't matter. Like it just doesn't matter to him that he got knocked out. And that sucks.

[Dean Thomas]

Oh, dc, help me. Help me understand this, man. Why are they letting these guys do this?

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't know.

[Dean Thomas]

Help me understand this. And they take afterwards.

[Daniel Cormier]

I honestly just don't know what we are supposed to do because I don't know if I could tell Luke, hey, man, you shouldn't be fighting this fight. I mean, we're friends and we spent a lot of time together, but I don't know if I say it, if he sees me as his brother. So seeing someone that cares about him, or maybe I'm hating. But at the end of the day, right now, man, to, it's not good. Not good. But after the fight, Darren Tilly said, man, it was very easy. And that sucks. That really sucks. Round three. Hey, Dean Thomas. The middleweight division is heating up, but as we were about to start this, I had a mind, a little mind fart. And I go, who's the champion? And I said, oh, Hamza. And what was your response? Oh, you're so petty.

[Dean Thomas]

I said, if he fought more, you'd know.

[Daniel Cormier]

You're so petty.

[Dean Thomas]

I know, man. I'm sorry, man, I'm just.

[Daniel Cormier]

You are so petty, boy. What are you talking about? A dude that don't like to lose, boy, that's D. Thomas.

[Dean Thomas]

Pick me up. When he see me, I notice no.

[Daniel Cormier]

How'S I gonna get you take. You know, he picked me up. He was so strong. I was like, yo, this dude is strong. And then Drake is went in there. Drake is went in there. Just not defending takedowns, man. It was the craziest situation. I don't understand. But I digress. Okay, so Khamzat Chamayev is the champ. But we have two big fights, man, this weekend. Nassaur Dinamav takes on Kyle Bohalo. And then later down the line, Fluffy Hernandez takes on Rainier the Ridder. Dean, are you going to France?

[Dean Thomas]

I'm going to France. I'm leaving in a couple hours.

[Daniel Cormier]

See? Yeah. So you're heading to France to go watch. But are you watching? Dean, can you comfortably say this is the number one contenders fight?

[Dean Thomas]

I can't say comfortably that this is for as strong as this is. And it would have been the number one contenders fight had Fluffy not looked as good as he did in that last.

[Daniel Cormier]

Exactly.

[Dean Thomas]

But this could be the number one contenders fight. This is a. It's a rat race right now in the middle in the middleweight division.

[Daniel Cormier]

The.

[Dean Thomas]

The middleweight division has never been this strong in the history of the middleweight division.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, but how do you. How do you separate yourself? Because the reality is everybody's looking good. Bahavio looked amazing his last fight. Nasser Dinamav knocks out Izzy bro in so many. In so many worlds. Amavov knocking out Izzy Adesanya as he did. That would have been enough. It was over. He would have fought for the belt based on just that accomplishment, based on just beating a guy like Adesanya. But now he has to go and fight Bahalyo. And then Raniere Deridder beat another champion and Robert Whitaker, but instead he draws Fluffy Hernandez. It's like, I don't know how to determine or separate these guys, Dean, because it seems like every single guy has a valid case.

[Dean Thomas]

They all do have a valid case. But that's when you got to have a holy shit moment. Because a holy shit moment was will push you over the edge and force Dana's hand to give you that title shot. The problem with Kyle Bahia this weekend is Imavo is a difficult guy to do that against. He's so patient, he's so conservative that Bahayo is going to have a very difficult time looking good against. And that's going to be his biggest issue because even though with a win he might deserve a shot, bio's Bahio is going to have a hard time forcing the public to see that because his performance might not be that stellar.

[Daniel Cormier]

And the problem, and the real problem is the Ritter and Fluffy Hernandez have like, car crashes.

[Dean Thomas]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

When they fight, it's gonna look a certain way.

[Dean Thomas]

If I'm Fluffy, man, I'm happy.

[Daniel Cormier]

And. And Dean, it's second. A lot of times you want to be second. Y because then you know what you got to do already.

[Dean Thomas]

Absolutely. Going second because you know what you. And for Fluffy, because Fluffy has this style, man, that's so barn burner that people love to watch. If he goes out there and puts on that pace against Derider and can finish Deridder or just. Just maul him like that.

[Daniel Cormier]

Oh, my God.

[Dean Thomas]

It's going to look really good, man. He's going to get a title shot.

[Daniel Cormier]

If he drowns Rainier Deridder in the way that he did. DZE is over. There's no way you could say that. He doesn't deserve a title shot, but also a big moment because I truly believe that these guys are as evenly matched as any four middleweights that we have. Trying to fight a champion who has just ascended to the title, but a guy that looks like he could be dominant for a long time. But when you look at the lines, Dean, while we feel it's a very close fight, the odds makers don't really believe it to be. I mean, Fluffy is minus 230 versus the Ritter bio is minus 140 against Amavov who's only plus 105. But the odds makers don't think it's as close as you and I do. They feel strongly that Bahal is going to win, but they feel even more strongly that Fluffy gets through. Ranier Deeritter, bro. Ranier Dita can't get no respect and.

[Dean Thomas]

He should be getting some respect because he's dangerous, man. And he has a skill set to compete with anybody just because if his grappling, he can always rely on, on his grappling and he doesn't have to be on top to be effective. So a guy like that man, who's skilled everywhere, he needs to, he needs to get a little bit more respect from everybody.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I mean, what happens to Drake is Du Plessis now because he lost that belt. He falls right back into a shark's tank of guys that are just waiting, hungry and willing to try to become world champion. It's, it's a, it's dangerous waters at middleweight right now and you really can't slip up.

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[Daniel Cormier]

All right, Dino, time for my final thought. Guys, Dean's right. Dean is right. Dean's right that he probably should have had a conversation with Tyron Woodley. And Dean's right that by saying that I should have a conversation with my friend Luke Rockhold or anybody that's watching their friends take these fights that aren't beneficial to them outside of financial. When you are a champion or a person that wore the UFC title, there is so many ways for you to make money. There are ways to do it without stepping inside of a boxing ring. Without stepping inside of a, I mean, bare knuckle boxing fight. So crazy. Frankie Edgar is about to do it. Frankie Edgar is about to fight in bare knuckle boxing. I like Frankie. I don't know that that's the greatest idea. So hopefully someone close to him goes Frank. I don't know if this is the fight or this is the move, because ultimately, we are watching great champions from a long time past and from a long history of great champions go out there and fight in a way that's not great for them. And I don't love the visual. Hey, they say all great champions go out on their back, but they don't need to go out like that. What I saw with Luke last weekend was terrible. I hope that he doesn't go out there and fight anymore. Do some grappling. He's a tremendous grappler. You can get paid doing that. Find alternatives, guys. You don't have to fight forever. We have our time, and then the time passes. They always say fall. The time is undefeated. That's never being proved more true than what we are seeing lately with Anderson Silva losing the Jake Paul and Luke Rockhold and Darren Till and Tyrone Woodley and Jake Paul and so many others. The list goes on and on. So if you're a friend of a guy that was a great fighter that's thinking about doing something you don't agree with, don't hold your tongue. Say it. Because Dean and I did. We both regret that we didn't speak up sooner. Guys. Dean, thanks again, bro, for joining. I appreciate you. Every week, we do three rounds. You're the man, boy. Hey, it was much harder today. You really. You can't. You really did come out fighting today. You. You weren't trying to get whipped. This dude's like, I ain't trying. Good by this dude, man. Forget that. You're the man, Dean. Until next time, guys, like, subscribe. Tell your friends to tell their friends. DC's got a YouTube. Y' all do it again.

[Rob Gronkowski]

My fault.

[Daniel Cormier]

Do that last round. No, no, no, no. Doing things like three round. And Luis, stay off the damn camera, bro. Wait your turn. Until next time. Peace. That's Luis, guys. That's the guy I'm always screaming at. This podcast is sponsored by Total Wireless, the official wireless partner of ufc. When you're streaming the fight or sharing those takedown highlights, you need a wireless provider that keeps you close to the action. With Total Wireless, you're covered by the Verizon 5G network, so you don't have to worry about your connection being knocked out at the biggest moments. It's not something you can usually say about a wireless provider, but Total Wireless really does have your back. They're in your corner every second of the day, so you never miss a thing. Visit totalwireless.com or visit your local Total Wireless Store to learn more about how Total Wireless can be in your corner. 5G access requires a 5G capable device and a 5G service area. Additional terms apply. See website for details.

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[Rob Gronkowski]

This is Rob Gronkowski from Dudes on Dudes. Applebee's just cooked up the ultimate option. Play with their new Ultimate Trio deal. You can choose from three of their delicious appetizers and pair them up with three sauces for just 14.99. Craft your perfect trio from over 80,000 different combinations in this flavor packed plate. Built for one or to share if you're generous, you can stick with the classic pairings like boneless wings and Buffalo sauce.

[Daniel Cormier]

Or.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Or you can spice things up and try some unexpected pairings like dipping chicken wonton tacos in our honey Dijon mustard. It's time to head to your neighborhood, Applebee's or order online today. Now that's eating good in the neighborhood.

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