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Daniel Cormier TV - Henry Cejudo on Payton Talbott, FINAL UFC FIGHT before RETIREMENT
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Daniel Cormier
The volume.
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Henry Cejudo
Daniel.
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Daniel Cormier
Call Nobody.
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So who all these years, after all these years, we finally got here.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, it's a trip, dude. Right from that 16 year old kid at the training center.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah, can you believe that?
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Henry Cejudo
You know, and then it's. I've done a lot, bro. I'm actually surprised that I've been in this game for this damn long.
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Daniel Cormier
Time goes fast, man. Time goes fast though, right? Think back to being 16, get into the training center. To think fast forward all these years, it's like time just flies.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, it really does, bro. It really does. There's a. There's a song, dude, in Brazil it's called. I think it's called the Bullet Train, but it talks about how life goes so quick. Before you know it, dude, he got grades like dc.
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Daniel Cormier
Look at my face, dog. Jesus Christ, Henry. Thank you for checking in, guys. Henry Cejudo fights in his final fight this weekend at UFC 323 against Peyton Talbot. Henry is obviously Olympic champion, former world champion in two divisions, has done so many things, we've done this time and time again. But I'm glad that you were able to sit with me one last time as you close the chapter on what is one of the greatest combat sports careers of all time. Now, I tell you this, I'm saying this knowing that I've known you since you were 16.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
So this is not me just saying this as an. Anybody that just has interviewed you this week or will interview you, I've seen the journey. And I'm saying that knowing that whole journey.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
One of the greatest combat careers I've ever seen, man. Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah. No, I, I appreciate you seeing. It's. I think, because, you know, because we came from that wrestling pedigree to where, you know, winning the US Open, cutting all that way, going overseas, doing the whole nine, like that was, to me, that's. That's been the biggest grind. Yeah. Even though I was young at that time, but now that, now that I'm a little older, it's almost like I feel more. I feel like there's more gratitude, man. Like I'm able to say thank you to my coaches, my training partners. Like, hey, man, the time that you. Because you said it, you know, time flies. So, like the time that they leave from their families to be with you. Yeah, it just, it means, it means a lot to me, man. You know, I just been feeling that this whole week.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah, but that like a couple weeks that, you know, you and your room.
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Daniel Cormier
I think when it starts to dawn on you that the one thing that has been constant in your life is stepping across the line from another person and competing against him from wrestling to fighting, you've always done that. And it's hard to replicate that whenever you don't have it anymore. You can do business deals and you can do other things, but it's hard to replicate that feeling of competition, especially when that's the fire that burns inside of you. Like when you think about Saturday night and you think about the gratitude and all of the looking back that you probably have been doing, how do you anticipate what life will look like after it's done?
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, no, if anything I feel good about it. I really do. D.C. like I've been, you know, I'm in real estate, so I own currently about 15 properties. Obviously I do the, you know, pound for pound with Kimora Uzu and that. It's, it's, it's great man. It's, you know, we're diversifying. I also have my, you know, the content that I do, whereas where I feel like I make pretty good money, man, you know, just breaking things down and whatnot, I feel good about it. I think if anything that I want to, I want to give back, man, to a lot of these legends. You know, one of the things that Kevin Jackson, Kevin Jackson, Olympic champion was our coach, Olympic team. And after I won the Olympics, I remember he told me this and it meant the world to me because you know, the same reason why I even sent you a message when I was training with John. Hey, remember what Kevin Jackson said? Legends always take care of legends. So I always took that to heart because I get it. Because it's like, you know, you being a champ, champ two time Olympian, like bro, like those, those people who had truly sacrificed, like if they don't understand business, branding, sales, that you got to be able to help them.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah, they will take, they will, they will get taken advantage of a little bit.
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Henry Cejudo
A little bit.
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Daniel Cormier
But I think sometimes people, they just don't recognize so they get put it.
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Daniel Cormier
Those like legends, they're just getting rolled out to freaking. They go sign some cards every now and again when there's just so many more options out there. There are a lot of things out there for people that have done great things and if there's someone they can call and go, hey, how do you get about doing that? You want to be that person that kind of guides them in the right way.
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Henry Cejudo
Exactly, exactly. Because, dude, I mean, just think about how many people are probably a little autographed in that you're talking about. Like, man, Daniel, you're able to understand your ability to look, I mean, you're gone a lot.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
But you're working and you're making money. You're providing for your family. Not everybody has that, you know, And I feel like I'm taking it upon myself to be able to, you know, to give back to. In that sense.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah. You know, one thing I read or I watched a video where you said when you made the Olympic team, you were celebrating and Tom Terry Brand slapped you and said, this is only a qualifier. Perspective. But it was perspective.
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Henry Cejudo
Oh, you're there. Remember I told you.
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Daniel Cormier
I know. Like, the next day you dropped down to your knees. Ah, what? Slap the shit out of you. It's perspective, though, right?
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
Keeping everything in line, knowing what's important, the goals, everything out in front of you. How much have those lessons been able to follow you through this career, which ultimately have been just an unbelievable career? And I don't like doing this.
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Like, I don't love that.
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Daniel Cormier
We're talking career, career, career. When you have a fight coming up this weekend, which we will discuss, but it's like, when you've done what you've done, I feel like we have to lay the foundation for how big the moment Saturday night is going to be.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, no, for sure, man. I. I just think back and think of everything that brands and Kevin Jackson, like, it goes back to. Even my childhood. Going back to what it was like with my childhood coaches and how I started wrestling, like, the whole 90. Like, I. When I first started wrestling, bro, I couldn't afford shoes. Like, I was literally on sneakers. And then somebody. Somebody recognized me and my coach did, and he was like, man, this kid is good.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
So he ended up giving me his daughter's shoes. And, dude, I. Dude, I would. I would legit be in my house because I slept on the couch the majority of my damn life. And I would just look at the shoe and just keep looking at them.
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Daniel Cormier
They were awesome.
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Daniel Cormier
But they were yours.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, but they were mine. I was like, oh, I got wrestling and there were Adidas. And so I was like, dude, these are awesome.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
You know, just looking back at all that, man, and even, like, getting stopped by Terry right after I made the Olympic team, Like, that's, you know, I appreciate the adversity and everything that, that I've gone through, quite honestly, man, because even getting poked in the eye, like, it's taught me a lot of shit, man. You know what I mean? It's giving me a lot of different emotions to where I'm able to teach my kids one day to be like, dude, it's okay. Like, yeah, what it is. It is what it is.
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Daniel Cormier
It is what it is. Isn't that crazy, though? It's as simple. As simple as that statement is, it's kind of the truth. Like, if you can live like Max like that, it's kind of like it makes it better. I want you to talk to me, though, about this, right? You went from the highly touted prospect to the champion to now a guy that's fighting in his retirement fight. Talk to me about the differences of those stages in the ufc.
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Henry Cejudo
Where it blows, dude.
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Daniel Cormier
Isn't it like, talk to me.
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Henry Cejudo
You had it right, dude. See, I wish I would have been a little more lovey dovey with Dana, but it's a trip. You've always had that relationship. And I think that's somewhere where I'd always say, like, I talked to Kamara, dude. I keep it. Like, I kind of went off the deep end talking, you know what I'm saying? Like, doing the whole nine Dana ball. Like, you know, I get cringy, but I kind of like teasing the boss a little bit, even though I respect the crap out of them. And I think that's. That's big, man, you know, And I think that's something that you've done very, very well. And I tell this to Kamaru, don't fight. Don't fight with the boss. Don't fight with the ufc, man. Keep it, keep it. Be like Daniel, you know, in that sense. But being contender and, well, not even contender, I'd be in the top 10. Like, I don't like it, dude. I really don't. And that's partially, that's partially even why the reason why I don't even want to be in it, because if to me, it's, it's. I have that Terry Brass mentality, I had it since I was a kid, man. It's all or nothing. Yeah. And I don't know if I want to. I don't want to take my time to get back to that title when I already had a couple opportunities and I the bet on both of them, you know what I'm saying? So that's what it is. And then you know, at this point, when you're a contender, it's like, I don't have an option. I can't say no. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, Payne's a friend of mine. The UFC offered me. We gotta fight. It's the same thing in wrestling. Like, dude, I wrestle so many of my good friends.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
It's. It just becomes personal Saturday night. Yeah. But said that.
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Daniel Cormier
That obviously sets you up for that, right? That wrestling allows you to know that there's a difference between friendship and business. Getting the. Peyton Talbot, he's young, man. He's a young, hungry kid, and in most cases, Henry, right. When a guy is on his. Like, on his way out, the young guy gets an opportunity to try to take the shine from him. When you get that, right? When you get that, are you, like. Does it piss you off? Because again. Again, you, as the guy that became the double champion, had to do that to people.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
And show them the door. But again, that's the journey, right? That shit goes in a circle, man. You go from the prospect to the championship, but when you're going to become the champ, you gotta get rid of some of the guys that were there before you.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
Are you pissed off when you get that guy as the opponent and go, no way he's gonna boost himself off of me?
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Henry Cejudo
No, not. Not really, bro. I kind of like. I like it. I like the pressure. They had asked before about the, how do you. What do you want your last fight to be? He's like, give me somebody young and hungry. Like, that's typically how it is. And I knew they were gonna do that. Yeah. So I've already kind of manifested it, too. I just didn't know it was gonna be Peyton, which I kind of had an idea, too. Like, I'm willing to say yes to anybody. You know what I'm saying? So it's. It's part of the game. And I don't like it, to be quite honest with you. I. I don't. It's not that I don't like it. I don't like being in the top 10. Like, that's not me. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not me, dude. I. It's either one or nothing.
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Daniel Cormier
Well, you know what I said when I retired? They said, well, is this gonna be it? I said, well, I'm not fighting for the belt anymore. Yeah, I'm done.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah. So you get it. And there's rarely. Oh, you could keep going. I could. Physically, dude. I feel good. I Had a great camp or whatnot, but it's just not the drive of, of, of trying to become the best in the world. Knowing that what you have to do and then having young kids, it just makes it harder for me.
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Daniel Cormier
Can you, can you train at the level you did before?
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, yeah, I could, but I fell in love with the content stuff. Kids, all that shit changes, man. You know what I'm saying? It's changed for me. It's like, could I go back and become that dude that was just eat, sleep and shit and train like Khabib and Islam? Like that's the stuff that makes it harder, dude.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
You know, for me, because of life.
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Daniel Cormier
Freedom, kids, there's a selfishness that comes with that also.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't, I was never really planning on, on fighting in and having kids. Like, I wanted to be done and, you know, dedicate myself to doing business or whatnot, but that's just not life. So part of the reason why you do, why I did come back was for my family. Yeah. It's like I want this lifestyle I'm doing and I make really good money. But the lifestyle that you're trying to obtain for them means more to me than, than legacy.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
You know the same way. D.C. or is it just me, dude.
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Daniel Cormier
No, no, it's the truth.
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Daniel Cormier
I mean, every, we all we see in our, in our children what we hope we could be or provide to them what we want it to be. That's, that's what me, when I see my kids, like, I, I just want to give them better than I have.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
Are better than I had.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
And right now we're able to do that. So it's like a win.
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Daniel Cormier
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Daniel Cormier
So Peyton Talbot is a young kid, has a ton of great striking, but when he struggled, he struggled with the wrestling. It would suck. Seem like a matchup that doesn't necessarily suit him if you're able to take him down.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
Do you see it that. That way or.
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Henry Cejudo
I'm going to stay tuned and watch. But it's everything. It's. I'm going to wrestle, I'm going to strike, I'm going to kick. I have to mix my fighting. He's a zombie.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
He loves to pressure. He does the whole thing. That also gives me opportunities as well, too. Yeah. So it's not like I'm. I can't shy away. I can't. Because once these people get range here, just momentum going forward, there's good people that know how to fight like that. Marab is one of them. That's why I feel like if Marab was to fight Umar, and I've told this to Umar, stay in the damn center. If you watch my first round with him and how it's moving laterally, very short, but staying in the center, like, he'll be okay. But the moment he starts getting pushed back because of that pressure, it just. And if you don't know how to, you know, fight off your back, feeding it makes it more difficult. Yeah. So I see the fight the same way with. With Peyton.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah. I was talking to Captain Eric and he said, this is a legacy that will go on forever. You beat Peyton Talbot on Saturday, there's gonna be that draw. Maybe I can still do this. Maybe I can still fight. Like, how do you. No, seriously, how? I swear, bro, most greats, when they do say, this is it for me, they get a taste of that sweet victory. Because there's nothing like victory.
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Daniel Cormier
And they keep going, like, how are you gonna fight that? That. That desire to come back, especially when you. If you beat a kid like this.
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Henry Cejudo
I'm different, Daniel. I'm different in the sense where Even when I retired from wrestling at. When I won the Olympics, I started hitting the sport. I didn't want to come back, but so many opportunities were given to me. Just like, man, what am I gonna make a half a million dollars doing this, this wrestling game? You know, once I didn't make the Olympic team in 2012, I. I moved on. Like, it was never. I want to go back on the mat. I want to wrestle. Not really even back in. If we even go back to 2020. I'm just different. I. I've. I've learned a lot about myself knowing that I'm an ultimate competitor, but I think I like to conquer more than anything.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
So I conquer, I move on. Yeah. And I'm just able to say that confidently and not have that itch. I've. I question whether I want to do it, but I think it's. I. You know, especially going through all this whole damn parade, everybody was like, hey, congratulations.
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Like, that's it for me. You know what I'm saying? And plus, I'm young. And the other thing too is getting poked in the eye, man. Like, dude, I want to leave this sport unscathed or try to lead the sport on scale as much as I can.
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Daniel Cormier
What was your greatest performance? When you look, when you think back, what was the greatest performance you ever had inside the Octagon?
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Henry Cejudo
The greatest performance, especially.
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There'S a lot, because I had a lot of great beating Demetrious Johnson.
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Daniel Cormier
Oh, yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
Beating the dude that knocked me out in 2 minutes and 36 seconds to get in the rematch. Him blowing out my ankle. Peroneal nerve. Spraining my ankle in that fight and still being composed. Said, fuck you, man. Like, I'm not going out like this this time. Yeah. And then getting him. I mean, obviously Demetrius is one of the. He's definitely on Mount Rushmore. 11 tile defenses. I think that meant a lot to me too, because I was even born in. Born like 10 minutes from there.
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Henry Cejudo
You know, I don't remember as a kid, but family members came out, we had Uncle Mike there. It was cool, man. I'll say that one.
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Daniel Cormier
What do you. What do you want people to remember about Henry Cejudo? From the. The booze to the cheers, to the cringe to the non cringe. What do you want people to remember about Henry Cejudo? Whenever it's all said.
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Eva Longoria
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
You guys paid attention.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
You hate or love me. I. You know, I gotta give credit to a lot of people, man. You being one of them too, obviously. Being a wwe you know, loving the theatrics. I knew that I was just like, man, I'm a little different. I'm a little weird, you know, like. Like just starting ruffling feathers, getting haters, but people will pay attention to you. So whenever the camera does go on me on the ufc, like, I. I appreciate getting booed.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
You know what I'm saying?
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Daniel Cormier
It's easier to get the booze than the wins.
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Henry Cejudo
And it reminds me I did it right.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah.
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Henry Cejudo
I'm like, oh, I'll go to anywhere. Miami, anywhere. I'm getting booed, bro. They put that camera on my ass.
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Daniel Cormier
You like?
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Eva Longoria
Cool.
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Henry Cejudo
It's cool.
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Daniel Cormier
It's easier to get booze than Cheers.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah. It's fun, man. It's fun. And in the beginning, I was trying to be more of Jordan Burroughs, all American guy, like, you know what I'm saying? Clean cut, the Olympic stuff. Like, I wasn't trying to do this whole thing with the David Joseph Benavides for the Ultimate Fighter. I was trying to just. Dude, there's too many people watching that look up to me. But then it was pretty cool to say it and. And just be you. Be you. And maybe even ample it up a little bit more.
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Daniel Cormier
Yeah. Well, it's been amazing, but Saturday, it's a fight, and at the end of the day, you got to win the fight to go out of the right way.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, exactly. And that's what it is. It's a damn fight. Yeah.
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Daniel Cormier
It's a fight, guys. Interesting. Who don't fights? Peyton Talbot this weekend? The end of a legendary career, but trust me, as a guy that has been there to see it, it has been amazing to watch this young man go from a team kid, a child prodigy, to an Olympic champion, to a two division UFC champion. And now to be remembered as one of the greatest fighters of all time. Make sure you guys tune in. Don't miss Henry fighting for the last time inside the Octagon. Until next time. Like, subscribe, tell your friends, tell their friends. DC's got a YouTube channel and I'm checking in with guys like Henry Cejudo. Henry, thank you.
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Henry Cejudo
Yeah, thank you, D. Until next time. Peace.
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