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The volume all right guys, I just finished checking in with Laron Murphy so that brings me to my role performance playbook guys. These two guys are fighting in a very important fight this weekend for Aaron Pico. He has got to find ways to set traps and take Lerone Murphy down. If he doesn't take Lerone Murphy down for as good as his boxing is, he is going to struggle because of Lerone's ability to create space and distance and control the tempo of the fight. And four Laron Murphy. It's all about frustrating Pico. Forcing Pico into making bad decisions that ultimately cost him. We have seen lerone do this multiple times. We've seen him defend takedowns from great wrestlers before. I don't know if he's ever seen anyone like this. So he's got to defend takedowns, control the space in the distance, and his footwork has got to be on point better than it's ever been in his entire career. These two guys are fighting for what is potentially the number one contendership. It's a massive fight for both. They need to follow my role performance playbook to get the job done.
D
I've been calling you out for the longest, Laron.
A
You're still running.
D
We. Let's play.
A
You are a Manchester man.
D
You have in your room, right?
A
Like I do, bro, I've retired.
D
I've retired from FIFA because I win so much. Like, I've not even played it foreverne.
A
This is such a lie.
D
I swear.
A
I went to Manchester, I could feel the footy around me. You know, we call it footy as soccer fans. Footy. I love footy. And I go to Manchester City. Beautiful stadium. Are you United or city?
D
Yes. United States.
A
That's rough.
D
That's rough.
A
Yeah.
D
Right now it is.
A
Yeah, it's rough. But I always wondered, when I walked those grounds, everyone in there seemed as though, especially the ones from Manchester, seemed as though that if there was an opportunity or a challenge, they would step up to it. You're the only man in Manchester that gets challenged to play FIFA and will not step up to it. You're. I've been begging you. One day I'm online, I see your name, we became friends. I see your name online, I send the invite. Laron, what's up, dude? Doesn't he goes me, Laron, what's up? So you're telling me I've never Messaged you on PlayStation Network?
D
Not see no message.
A
Laron, what's up?
D
I called him out on Twitter a few times when I was in my heyday, ready to play. And you served it.
A
That's.
D
Man, you can play anytime.
A
I would smash you. I'm thinking I beat you 3 to 1.
D
You got to play NFL. NFL games. Football is not for the Americans.
A
No, it is for me. Hey, Tiki Taka all over the field. Tiki Tacker.
D
So you see, looking forward to being here?
A
Okay. All right. Well, you're here. You stay at this hotel?
D
Yes.
A
When you take your mind off it, I'll bring my PlayStation up to your room. Yeah, I'll come on your Grounds and I'll beat you.
D
Sweet deal.
A
So all the hoodlums, the gangs that they have in European soccer, I'm going to go into his hometown and beat him. Let's do it, guys. I'm here with Laron Murphy. Laron, big time spot for you, bro.
D
Yes.
A
You're a winner, right? You're a winner. You're a guy that just knows how to win, yet it feels like you are, like, not as valued as you probably should be. Can you feel that in mma? Like, are you feeling like this is an opportunity for you to finally cement yourself as, like, one of the guys?
D
Yeah, for sure. It's a big opportunity, a big spot. UFC 319, there's going to be a lot of eyes on it, and I think it's a good, good matchup to do. Aaron Pico comes to fight, is aggressive, like, you know, so I think it's going to be a barn burner.
A
Michael Bisping has long been singing your praises and telling us how special you were. Do you notice that, seeing Mike, like, kind of always, like, singing? He's very biased, by the way. Him and Tom Aspinall. For you and Tom Aspinall. I've never seen somebody. Mike Bisping is crazy. He doesn't hide it.
D
Yeah, he represents, he's representing. He knows, though, like, the UK guys don't get. Unless you like Paddy Pimblett, you don't get as much recognition as the other gu. He's just backing his guys and giving.
A
You guys an opportunity to kind of uplift for sure.
D
And it's good to see that the first UK champion is behind all the fighters and promoters.
A
Yeah. So your last fight, you beat. Who did you fight last? Josh Emmett. Fought him in the same way that you've done on so many different occasions. Right. You control people. How do you control Aaron Pico like that. And do you believe that when you get control, you can force him to make a mistake? Because you're right, he is aggressive and he will want to fight you. You're a guy that fights, but only on your terms. You make them fight your fight. Like, can you frustrate Aaron Pico and make him make a mistake this weekend?
D
Yeah, that's the plan. That's the plan. He's aggressive. He's going to come to me in it. So, yeah, let's see.
A
What do you expect from him? Because the guys have not done well coming over here. I mean, Patchy Mix had so much expectation, got beat. Patricio Pitbull got beat. I think Michael Chandler is like 2 and 5 or 2 and 6 in the UFC. What do you expect from him? Do you think that this moment will be too much for him?
D
Nah. He's built to compete. He's wrestled from a young age, and I think he's in his prime. Some of them guys you've mentioned wasn't in the prime, they should have come over a lot sooner. So I'm expecting the best version of Aaron Pico, and I think he's. He's been dreaming of this day for a long time. Many, many fighters do. This is the dream. Ufc.
A
Laurel, when did you get. When did you hear of this? Like, the main co. Main event, UFC 319. Like, what was your initial thought? Right, because he was going to fight a two wrestling guys. You're a striker, right? Like, what was your thought when they said, hey, we want you to fight Aaron pico at UFC319? Outside of just giving me more money, right, because most people want more money to fight. Like, of course get paid. But, like, what was your original thought?
D
For me, I just need a big breakthrough in it. I need a. I need a chance. I need an opportunity to get where I need to get, and that's the title fight. So for me, it was, like, it was an opportunity I couldn't pass up. A lot of people would say sit out and wait for a better fight, but for me, this is a massive card and a massive spot. Call me in event I couldn't pass it up.
A
So when you look at this fight, like, what does it do for Laron Murphy? Because you're undefeated. You're the guy that has a long win streak in the ufc. You're the guy that would seem to be getting very close to a championship opportunity. Like, what's the win in this for you, outside of being on the big card?
D
The win is he was supposed to be the number one contender to fight before. Like you said, you're supposed to fight Movsa. Dana come out and said that that's the number one contender spot. So I've been shifted into that place now in my eyes. So with a win over Rnpico, I'm next in line.
A
Oh, you want a title? You should have a title shot for sure.
D
For sure. Who. Who's. Who's more deserving than me? Moffser was, but he pulled out a fight, so I believe I'm there now if I win.
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And if you win, that would obviously lead to a championship opportunity, hopefully against Alexander Volkanovski. Like, when you. Do, you allow yourself to think of that, like, man, I've been doing this for so long, I could be on the verge of fighting for a UFC championship and really changing my life. UFC 319 goes down from Chicago next weekend, so once again, I partnered up with the DraftKings sportsbook to give all new customers a fantastic offer. Bet only $5 or more. Use my promo code, DCTV, to get $200 in bonus bets instantly. Look, guys, we finally get Chimaev versus Dricus du Plessis. In a city where championships are won, a championship will be won or defended next weekend from Chicago. So all new customers get in on the action with our great friends at the DraftKings sportsbook. And all new customers, bet only $5 or more. And we'll give you $200 in bonus bets instantly when you punch in that promo code, dctv. Hey, it's going to be a good fight weekend next week in Chicago. Chicago always delivers, and the fight card is fantastic, so show your knowledge with the DraftKings Sportsbook. Again, punch in that promo code DCTV. Bet only $5 or more and get $200 in bonus bets instantly at the DraftKings Sportsbook. Where the crown is yours.
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Yeah, for sure. But I can't look past this weekend. It's a big weekend and obviously in my mind, for. For a long time since I've been in the ufc, I thought of fighting Alex Volkanovski. He's been the guy at the top for. For a while in it. So, yeah, I gotta get through RN Pico first and then hopefully that's next in it.
A
You said in it.
D
Huh?
A
You said he's been the guy at the top in it.
D
In it.
A
In it, like I N, N, I T. Yeah, yeah.
D
Yes.
A
So, like, is it. Is it like, isn't he?
D
Yeah, yeah, same thing. But in it. In it. We say in it. In Manchester. We say in it as in yeah, right.
A
So Volkanovsky's been a man at the top of the division for a long time.
D
In it, yes, as in I'm trying to get you to agree with me. Like, what do you think? In it?
A
Okay, okay. In it. Yeah, that was. I never.
D
Yeah.
A
How would you say that, Danny, in your culture? I mean, I understand, but what would you say?
D
Isn't he.
A
Isn't he.
D
Yeah, yeah, that's proper English.
A
But, but you're English.
D
This is quick. Like we speak quick.
A
Okay, you speak quick. Yeah, that's good. So he is the champion in the weight class, but you got to get through Aaron. Aaron presents some unique problems because he's been. He's been boxing since he was a little boy. He's been wrestling since he was a little boy. What have you done specifically to make sure that you can handle the wrestling? Because that's one thing. I mean, Josh Emmett was a good wrestler. Right. You fought many good wrestlers. What have you done specifically to make sure that Aaron Pico doesn't try to use that wrestling and just ground you? Because if I'm fighting the role, Murphy, you're. If it's a 50 minute fight, my intention is to have you on your back for 12 of them.
D
Yes.
A
Taking you down in the first minute of every round because then that gives me an opportunity to slow you down. Your footwork and everything is what really does frustrate people and make it hard to fight. What have you done to make sure that isn't the case come Saturday night?
D
Well, I know that. I know that's most people's game plans, so I've been working on that. The life, my lifetime really in mma. So I think I've had back to back opponents who have got me ready for that. Dan Ige, good wrestler as well. Josh Emmett, same and Fort Sukhkov as well. So I feel like I've come on leaps and bounds over them fights and got the experience.
A
Laurel, what's. What's growing up in Manchester like, what's growing up in Manchester that leads to you in this career? Like, when did you know that you wanted to be a fighter? I mean, I know that there's like, it's tough in Manchester. Right. But when did you recognize, hey, I want to be a fighter in my life?
D
Do you know what it was? I just walked into a gym and just started training and after that first session I just thought, this is what, I love doing this. I love how it makes me feel. And then I just kept going back for more. For more. It was like a drug, innit?
A
How old were you?
D
22.
A
You started doing that at 22 years old. So what did you do before fighting?
D
I played Football when I was a young, young star. And then from 15 to 22, it's everything else. It's like, yeah, school, college. A little bit. Little bit. Two years of college and then got lost in the wilderness.
A
Lost in the wilderness chasing women and shit.
D
Yeah, all that. All the bad stuff.
A
What? Bastard. Tell me.
D
Just life in it, just getting up, just mischief, like, young, young boy in it just. Just went astray a bit, I would say. And then MMA put me back on the right path.
A
That's a story for a lot of people, right? Like, you find something that gives you purpose, right?
D
That's it.
A
Yeah, you find something that gives you purpose and it kind of heads you back where you want to go. So walking into that gym, what prompted that for you?
D
Well, I used to watch the UFC a lot. I used to be into all the combat sports and stuff like that. But my cousin. My cousin just said, come. He couldn't come train. And I was thinking at the time, I was thinking, like, it was scary. Do you get what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, it's a new. It's a new place. I'm just like, okay, sweet. So I ended up going and I just loved it. And, yeah, I was there every session possible. And then after that, it was just. Yeah, I was literally just fell in love with it. Got obsessed. Yeah.
A
An obsession. That fear, does it ever leave you, though? Because I remember sitting behind the curtain every single fight, just the butterflies. But the butterflies let me know that I was ready.
D
Yes.
A
And I was on the verge of something great. Like, does that fear ever leave you, or do you have, like, a healthy fear for that competition?
D
Yeah. I was speaking to my friend Jordan here about just about the roller coaster of emotions, and it's just about understanding that where you're at. And. And, yeah, you never get used to it. You never get used to it because every fight seems to be bigger. Every. Every fight seems to be bigger. There's more riding on it every time. So it's like, what if he's going to go and fight the same person every time in the same arena? You might get used to it. You might get used to it, but there's always new problems, new, new, new challenges.
A
Yeah.
D
Yeah.
A
And how's your family take to mixed martial arts? Mom, dad, everybody.
D
So my mom is obviously happy now. I'm doing something positive with my life. She loves it, but she'll never watch my fight.
A
She doesn't watch you fight?
D
No, no, no, no. She can't even watch it back.
A
She doesn't watch the fight after. Even if she knows you never lose.
D
No, no, no. She can't even watch it. She can't. She says she can't watch me getting punched.
A
And what about your dad?
D
My dad loves it. He's into. He's in term of me. Yeah, he's always messaging me. He's saying. He's. He sent me a text before saying, oh, I've done my research on Pico and. What. What.
A
Are we doing here? Hey, what are we doing here? My dad. My mom would watch, but she kind of would watch, like, in the. I made her come because I was always a mama's boy, so she had no choice but to come. My parents, before they went, my dad sometimes would tell me stuff, but it always felt good to go to my dad and, like, as a winner. Right? Because it feels good to win.
D
Yes.
A
But, like, for your dad to say, my kid's a champion, that gives a son, like, a little bit of pride. That, of course, that is hard to match.
D
Of course. Of course. You always want to make your parents proud in it. And that. That's. So. That's another motivation for me.
A
It works in many in it. And it works in many. It works in many different places in the sentence.
D
It does. It does in it.
A
It's a very good word. It's a very good word. It works. I know.
D
Yeah.
A
Yeah. Yes.
D
That's it. That's it.
A
Yeah. Okay. It works. It works. It works in a lot of places. I like it. I'm gonna start using it.
D
He's gonna say uncommon will.
A
I want Larne Murphy and Aaron Pico going at it in it. I was at the Joe Rogan. He gonna be like, wow, Rogan.
D
Be like, what.
A
Laron, before I let you go, my guy, what does Saturday night look like to you? Like, have you allowed yourself to envision the walk, the fight, the. The. The. The feel of after getting a victory?
D
Yeah, I try and visualize it as much as. As I can. I think visualization is the best thing for fighters. Just to calm everything down. Feel like you've been there before. Do you get what I'm saying? So do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, I visualize it all the time. I think. I hope the fight goes how I envision it, and that's getting a finish and looking great out there.
A
You think you need a finish. You think if you get a finish, you could, like, it would accelerate you a little bit, because while you are winning, a lot of times it is. You just really. Because even Josh Emmett, right? He looks almost lost against you but you're not putting him away.
D
Yes, I think it depends in it for the casuals. They want to see the finishes, think everybody wants to see finishes but that's not the end all and be all. I think if I go out there and put on a good performance, it's a performance based company and that that'll.
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Do the job Absolutely. Laurel Murphy fights Aaron Pico this weekend at UFC 319 in the CO main event. This guy wins. He knows how to win, has not lost before and intends to keep it going this weekend. Laron, thank you so much. Stop running man. Here's make your people problem. Play me a FIFA.
D
Let's go, let's go.
A
I'm gonna kick his ass and I'm gonna put a video at the tail end of this video once I finish whipping his ass. Till next time guys. Go check out everything Laron's doing, follow all of his socials and make sure you watch USC319 this weekend. Till next time like and subscribe and tell your friends DC's got a YouTube channel and I'm checking in with guys like Laron Murphy. Until next time. Peace. The Volume this podcast is sponsored by Total Wireless, the official wireless partner of ufc. When you're streaming the fight or sharing those takedown highlights, you need a wireless provider that keeps you close to the action. With Total Wireless, you're covered by the Verizon 5G network, so you don't have to worry about your connection being knocked out at the biggest moments. It's not something you can usually say about a wireless provider, but Total Wireless really does have your back. They're in your corner every second of the day, so you never miss a thing. Visit totalwireless.com or visit your local Total Wireless store to learn more about how Total Wireless can be in your corner. 5G access requires a 5G capable device and a 5G service area. Additional terms apply. See website for details.
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Special: Daniel Cormier TV – Lerone Murphy on Knocking Out Aaron Pico, Championship Fight Next vs. Alexander Volkanovski
Date: August 16, 2025
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)
Guest: Lerone Murphy (UFC Featherweight, Undefeated Contender)
Host: Daniel Cormier (DC)
In this episode, Daniel Cormier interviews rising UFC featherweight contender Lerone Murphy ahead of his co-main event bout at UFC 319 against Aaron Pico. They discuss Murphy’s mindset heading into a pivotal fight that could earn him a shot at champion Alexander Volkanovski, his journey from Manchester’s streets to elite MMA, dealing with lack of recognition, and the psychology of high-stakes fighting. The tone is dynamic and playful, blending serious fight analysis with British banter and gamer rivalry.
Timestamps: 02:13-05:17
Timestamps: 03:16-05:04
“You're the only man in Manchester that gets challenged to play FIFA and will not step up to it.” (03:50)
“I would smash you. I'm thinking I beat you 3 to 1.” (04:38) – Daniel Cormier
Timestamps: 05:20-06:28
“You're a winner, right?... Yet, it feels like you are not as valued as you should be. Can you feel that in MMA?” (05:20)
“He knows, though, like the UK guys don’t get... as much recognition... He’s just backing his guys.” (06:07) – Murphy
Timestamps: 06:28-09:15
“The win is... he [Pico] was supposed to be the number one contender... So I’ve been shifted into that place now... With a win over Aaron Pico, I’m next in line.” (08:48)
“You want a title? You should have a title shot for sure.” (09:03)
Timestamps: 09:15-12:38
“For a long time since I’ve been in the UFC, I’ve thought of fighting Alex Volkanovski. He’s been the guy at the top for a while, in it.” (10:57)
Timestamps: 12:00-13:12
“What have you done specifically to make sure Aaron Pico doesn’t try to use that wrestling and just ground you?” (12:02)
“I’ve had back-to-back opponents who have got me ready for that... I feel like I’ve come on leaps and bounds…” (12:51)
Timestamps: 13:12-14:23
“I just walked into a gym and started training... After that first session, I just thought, this is what I love doing... I was 22.” (13:44)
“It was like a drug, innit?” (13:43) – Murphy
Timestamps: 15:04-17:07
“You never get used to it... Every fight seems to be bigger... more riding on it every time.” (15:25)
“You always want to make your parents proud in it. That’s another motivation for me.” (17:01)
Timestamps: 17:40-18:43
“I try and visualize it as much as I can. I think visualization is the best thing for fighters. Just to calm everything down. Feel like you’ve been there before.” (17:52) – Murphy
“Do you think you need a finish?” (18:17)
The tone is conversational and sometimes playful, rooted in Cormier’s friendly teasing and Murphy’s dry humor. British slang (“in it”) emerges as an in-joke. Underneath the banter is a clear respect for Murphy’s fighting style, composure, and work ethic.
Lerone Murphy enters UFC 319 aiming to solidify his claim as the next featherweight title challenger. Humble yet determined, Murphy is acutely aware of his under-the-radar status and draws on his Manchester upbringing for resilience. Despite pressures for highlight-reel finishes, he stays grounded in performance and self-belief, using visualization and his journey’s hardships as motivation. His duel with Aaron Pico is more than a fight—it’s a gateway to championship validation and a testament to the evolving landscape for UK MMA.
Endnote:
For more on Lerone Murphy and UFC 319, follow their social channels and catch the fight live!
(“I'm gonna kick his ass and I'm gonna put a video at the tail end of this video once I finish whipping his ass.” – Daniel Cormier, 19:02)