Best of The Herd

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Best of The Herd

Date: June 5, 2026
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)

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Episode Overview

The June 5, 2026 episode of "The Herd" is a lively, fast-moving breakdown of the top current sports stories, true to the show’s signature blend of opinion and nuanced analysis. Colin opens with big-picture reflections on the NBA playoffs and the New York Knicks’ unlikely run, explores the possibility of LeBron James joining Golden State, weighs in on college football’s financial arms race—and the perceived hypocrisy of Nick Saban—and features an interview with Indiana Governor Mike Braun about the Chicago Bears’ planned move to Indiana.
Cowherd and contributors mix stats, historical context, and classic Herd humor, with guest voices from around the sports world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The New York Knicks: "Situational Excellence" Instead of Dynasty

[03:07–09:00]

• Unprecedented Playoff Performance:
  Colin marvels at the Knicks’ historic playoff point differential, far exceeding iconic teams like the ’17 Warriors, ’96 Bulls, ’87 Lakers, and ’86 Celtics.

  “If you go to the first 15 games of the playoffs, they are not only the greatest team ever in point differential by a mile… and the teams they're much better than include the 2017 KD warriors … 96 Bulls… 87 Lakers… 86 Celtics… And the Knicks’ point differential blows all of them away.” (Colin, 04:08)

• Roster Construction:
  Notes the Knicks’ lack of multiple superstar Hall of Famers or a coaching legend—many on the roster are mid- or late-first-round picks versus the superstars usually powering dynasties.

• Why This Year is Different:
  Attributes the anomaly to a “tanking epidemic” and a weak Eastern Conference—making regular and postseason point differentials deceptive.

  “What is happening is that point differential, this year… is overstated. We had a tanking epidemic.” (Colin, 07:31)

• NBA’s New Era:
  Argues the NBA is in a “situationally excellent” phase, not an era of talent-stacked dynasties—pointing to teams like Denver or Oklahoma City with just one true Hall of Fame-level player but exceptional synergy.

• Team Identity:
  Jalen Brunson characterizes the Knicks as a reflection of NYC’s grit and effort.

  “It's something that's in the city. You feel that energy in the city, the grit, the grind, the hard work you got to put in to make it in the city. I think we reflect our fans and their lifestyles and what it takes to make it in New York City.” (Jalen Brunson, 08:15)

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2. LeBron James to Golden State: Realistic or Just Leverage?

[09:00–16:15]

• Rumor Rundown:
  Reports say Golden State is seriously considering pursuing LeBron in free agency. Colin lists five reasons (including relationships, basketball IQ, chemistry, style fit with Steph, and California proximity) this makes sense.

• Potential Lineup:
  Colin speculates about a star-filled Warriors lineup (LeBron, Steph, Jimmy Butler, Draymond, and pods, plus rookie Adai Mara) and calls it “The Last Dance 2.0.”

• Frank Isola’s Take:

  “If you were to leave the Lakers…I think he played really well this season for what you should expect from a guy who's 41…not the craziest thing that he ends up on the Golden State Warriors. Makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.” (Frank Isola, 11:49)

• Age & The West:
  Cowherd debates with JMac—the hypothetical team would be old, but they joke it out:

  “Are they going to have to…push up the start times? Because these old people, you know, they get dinner at like 4:30 in the afternoon…” (JMac, 13:35)

• Reality Check:
  JMac wonders whether these stories are just negotiation leverage for LeBron with the Lakers. Colin thinks LeBron could elevate any team but “wants to remain with the Lakers.”

  "He's too good. I mean, Tom Brady retired… the Bucks were 8-9… LeBron, when Luca got hurt in the playoffs, you're, like, kind of viable…" (Colin, 14:13; 15:25)

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3. Jalen Brunson’s Unlikely Ascent & Lessons on Development

[20:30–24:28]

• Underdog to All-NBA:
  Cowherd reflects on how Brunson, once “a completely forgettable player” and a second-round pick, defied first impression bias to become a clutch star.

  “Jalen Brunson was a completely forgettable player... Dallas bailed on him... didn't see him being all NBA three of the last four years and being the best quarterback in New York since Namath.” (Colin, 20:44)

• Comparison to Sam Darnold:
  Stresses how young talent develops at different rates in every profession, drawing parallels with Darnold's late emergence.

• Locker Room Impact:
  Praises Brunson’s willingness to take less money and adapt—helping enable the Knicks’ deep roster.

• Coach’s Endorsement:

  “He's a gamer, man. In the biggest moments he shows up, and that's what MVPs are supposed to do. We put the ball in his hands…he went and he got it done for us...” (Mike Brown on Brunson, 24:07)

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4. Nick Saban, NIL, and College Football’s ‘Runaway Ferrari’

[28:44–38:38]

• Saban’s Grand Canyon Analogy:
  Cowherd calls out Saban’s support for new NIL limits as hypocrisy given his own record-breaking coach salary and facility investments.

  “Nick Saban made over $100 million... Never talked much about budgets back then...” (Colin, 28:44)

• Contradictions in Concern:
  Colin notes that lavish spending on facilities and coaches never prompted hand-wringing about college sports’ finances, but skyrocketing player pay does.

• NIL’s Real Impact:
  Saban warns:

  “If we continue to do that, we're going to lose Olympic sports…you're going to have football and basketball succeed and we'll have club sports for everything else with no scholarships. That’s horrible.” (Nick Saban, 33:11)

• Cowherd’s Take:
  Dismisses doom-and-gloom scenarios—attendance, revenue, and parity are actually rising.

  “College football revenue… is larger than 35 other college sports combined…So all I'm saying is…don't tell me the college running back making 1.4 is outrageous as you build another $300 million football operations center.” (Colin, 29:09; 34:32)

• Inflation & Market Forces:
  Both Cowherd and JMac note that player salary inflation is a market correction and not a crisis:

  “If salaries have gone up from 2.7 to 40 (million), that everyone was woefully underpaid for years because the market is saying, we can afford these receivers, let's pay them.” (JMac, 35:41)

• Broader Perspective:
  Compares to NBA salaries and major shoe deals, concluding it’s simple economics:

  “Evan Mobley just signed a $270 million contract. Is the NBA going over a cliff? Stuff gets more expensive…Kids want to get paid. Do they really care about your…where the barbells are in the weight room?” (Colin, 38:11)

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5. Chicago Bears’ Move to Indiana: Exclusive Interview with Governor Mike Braun

[39:19–48:15]

• Context:
  The Chicago Bears are planning to move to Hammond, Indiana—a modern stadium project attracting local and national attention.

  “The jets and the Giants play in New Jersey…the Washington Commanders play in Landover, Maryland…this is happening all over…” (Colin, 39:00)

• Governor Braun’s Perspective:
  Indiana is booming:

  “Indiana's GDP growth…lowest unemployment rate in the Midwest…businesses moving in here, families.” (Braun, 40:01)

• Logistics & Economy:
  New stadium will have more space, lower costs, and easier access, especially for fans in central and southern Chicago.

  “…it's gonna be easier to come to Hammond because you're coming…by train by any way you choose…it would take less time than going from Soldier Field up to Arlington Heights…” (Braun, 42:14)

• Handling the Move:
  Says negotiations were straightforward due to his business background and a genuine approach:

  “They could tell immediately they weren’t talking to a politician…We moved at the speed of business from that first meeting…” (Braun, 43:57)

• Timeline:
  Lease runs through 2033; stadium projected to take a few years to build—Indiana’s agile government will support rapid development.

• Financial Win:
  Expects significant windfall for Indiana, superior ROI compared to Illinois.

• Name Change?

  “No, no, I would be…I would be obtuse to think it would be the Hammond Bears.” (Braun, 47:52) The Bears will keep their Chicago identity, despite the move.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Cowherd on Knicks History:

  “It's the first time the Knicks have been in the finals in 27 years. And most of the great teams are parts of dynasties… they're blowing away in point differential. They're part of dynasties.” (04:35)

• On New NBA Era:

  “We are in a situationally excellent era. You can't stockpile talent. Jalen Brunson taking a team friendly deal has allowed them to… have seven, sometimes eight guys who all contribute.” (07:52)

• JMac's Age Zinger:

  “Right. Because these old people, you know, they get dinner at like 4:30 in the afternoon. They got to go to Red Lobster for the early bird special." (13:35)

• Cowherd on Saban’s NIL Critique:

  “Don't tell me the college running back making 1.4 is outrageous as you build another $300 million football operations center.” (34:28)

• Braun on Stadium Naming:

  “No, no, I would be… I would be obtuse to think it would be the Hammond Bears.” (47:52)

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Timestamps for Essential Segments

• Knicks/Playoff Point Differential: 03:07–09:00
• LeBron to Warriors Rumors: 09:00–16:15
• Brunson’s Rise & Player Development: 20:30–24:28
• Nick Saban/NIL Debate: 28:44–38:38
• Indiana Governor Mike Braun Interview (Bears Move): 39:19–48:15

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Tone and Style

Colin Cowherd’s delivery is irreverent, sharp, and studded with historical references, industry anecdotes, and the occasional jab (“Jalen Brunson’s got a little Sam Darnold to him”). The tone is skeptical of easy narratives (especially around dynasties, NIL “crises,” or reactionary hot takes) and colored by Cowherd’s trademark blend of stats, humor, and cultural context.

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Summary Takeaways

• The Knicks’ run, while historic by the numbers, may be a product of modern NBA quirks more than true greatness.
• LeBron-to-Warriors is plausible—fit, chemistry, and location work—but might be leverage more than a real move.
• Jalen Brunson’s career arc highlights the potential for late bloomers and the perils of first impression bias.
• The NIL debate is driven more by discomfort with player empowerment than by actual systemic collapse—Cowherd calls out college coaches’ double standards.
• Chicago Bears’ relocation to Indiana is emblematic of shifting sports geography—and Indiana’s attractive economic growth.

This episode is a strong example of Cowherd’s ability to blend news, history, and analysis with wry observation and genuine sports insight. Fans and newcomers alike will come away better informed about the current sports landscape, with plenty of laughs and perspective for good measure.

Transcript

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Here we go. It is a Friday and a good one. We may have breaking news. LeBron may be fueling up his private Ready to fly to the Bay Area. Oh, the World cup is getting close. I can smell it. I can feel it. German team in town having dinner last night. RPM Steak getting ready for the friendly tomorrow against the United States men's national team. Our show will be well represented. Good to have you in on a Friday. So it's the New York Knicks are probably the most likable, great or potentially great New York team ever. Yankees were very polarizing. You know, people were more into the, you know, the Brady Patriots than like Eli's Giants. Right? They were underdogs and you know, you could the Patriots go undefeated. It's kind of fascinating. It's a likable team. It's likable guys. And the Knicks also, and this is feels unexplainable if you go to the first 15 games of the playoffs, they are not only the greatest team ever in point differential by a mile and the teams they're much better than include the 2017 KD warriors, arguably the best team ever, the 96 Bulls, probably Michael Jordan's best team ever, the 87 Lakers, probably the best Magic Johnson team ever, the 86 Celtics, arguably the best Larry Bird team ever and the Knicks point differential blows all of them away. So what do we make of it? Well, column they've got a lot of lottery picks. Well, Cat was a number one pick and Mikhail Bridges was top 10. But they don't have a lot of lottery picks. It's a lot of mid and late first round guys. Well, Colin Carl, Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunner, a couple of hall of Famers maybe, but most great teams ever like KD is going to make the hall of Fame. Steph Draymond and Klay Thompson, not to mention Steve KERR, I mean MJ Pippen, RODMAN and yes, Tony Ku coach. That's four hall of Famers plus the greatest coach ever, the 71 bucks. Well, they only had three hall of Famers. Yeah, but one was Kareem. The other was Oscar Robertson. Tip of the cap to Bobby Dandridge too. I didn't forget. So it's not like they have all this natural raw Collegiate talent or hall of Fame level talent. Also add this. Most great teams had a legendary coach. Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, Gregg Popovich, Mike Brown. He's been fired four times. Well, Colin, I mean, this is the start of something great. Well, maybe, but it's the first time the Knicks have been in the finals in 27 years. And most of the great teams are parts of dynasties. The Lakers, the Warriors, the Bulls, the Celtics, all those teams I mentioned, they're blowing away in point differential. They're part of dynasties. I mean, folks, the Knicks in the cruddy Eastern Conference finished below the Celtics, who played most of the year without Jayson Tatum, downgraded on their front line. So how. What is happening here? What is happening is that point differential, this year, specifically regular season and post season, is overstated. We had a tanking epidemic. So the good teams had really big point differentials and the Knicks were one of them. And, and in the postseason, which is the one I talked about with the Knicks, they faced a six, seven and four seed. That's, that's about the easiest route you're going to get. And the east was awful, even by Eastern standards, was awful. This year Detroit was the number one seed. They didn't have a dependable number two score. So I do think if the Knicks win and this is what the NBA has become, situationally excellent teams. Denver for a year was situationally excellent. Do they have a bunch of hall of Famers? Got one. Jokic, Oklahoma City. How many hall of Famers? Well, one for sure. Sga. We are in a situationally excellent era. You can't stockpile talent. Jalen Brunson taking a team friendly deal has allowed them to, to really on a nightly basis have seven, sometimes eight guys who all contribute. Do I think this is a dynasty or Mike Brown's Phil Jackson or that this roster is. It's just situationally excellent. And there is something to be said. They feel very Villanova and very New York and Cat talked about that.

[Jalen Brunson]

It's something that's in the city. You feel that energy in the city, the grit, the grind, the hard work you got to put in to make it in the city. I think we reflect all our fans and their lifestyles and what it takes to make it in New York City. When we step on that court with

[Colin Cowherd]

the Knicks jersey, I think there's something to it. It's okay to be situationally excellent and not legendarily dynastic. And I think San Antonio may be the latter. But New York right now is A favorite. And they would be a little like Denver, maybe got a Hall of Famer or two, but for the year, lightning in a bottle. They were exceptional.

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Clutch sports. Brett Siegel. Golden State is open to pursuing LeBron James because they don't think they can get Giannis. They're very much, according to this source, pursuing LeBron James and will do it in free agency. So listen, first of all, LeBron would be an additive. He was on some nights this year the best Laker player. He would help. But there's five other reasons it makes sense. Number one, he's clearly not the top priority for the Lakers new ownership. It's not a criticism. They have to worry about Austin Reaves or else he, he leaves and they get nothing for him and he's in his prime. Number two is. LeBron's a high IQ basketball guy. Steve Kerr and Steph Curry system is rough on young guys and dumb guys. LeBron's neither. Number three is LeBron can take the ball, at least occasionally out of Steph Curry's hands. And that matters when players get older, right? Steph is also probably in my lifetime, the greatest off ball player of all time. Number four is, and this is a biggie. We're seeing it with the Knicks. No jealousy, instant chemistry. I mean, the Knicks have. They didn't draft and develop. The Knicks traded for that guy and got that guy and traded for that guy. They're like, they're like a college team. Draymond LeBron have vacationed. Kerr coach team USA. Curry and LeBron, who are friends, were on the last Olympic team. And number five is. I know, I know you don't want to hear it, but LeBron likes California. A lot of people do. It's a 40 minute private jet from San Francisco to LA. So I think this is doable. I think it's realistic. It would be. I mean, honestly, it would be The Last Dance 2.0. There are reports all the time that we roll our eyes at on this show. Yanis to the Wizards. Not happening. Okay? I remember years ago, Nick Saban's leaving Bama to go to Texas. No, he's not. This one makes sense. And I'll just say it again, say this out loud. Stephen LeBron, Jimmy Butler, trade deadline. He's. He's healing Draymond Green pods. And the number 11 pick, which I believe could be Adai Mara, the 73 Spaniard shot blocker who's a very sophisticated offensive hub in college. That is a lineup, folks. That is a roster that is A playoff team. Frank Isola, covering the NBA for years, had thoughts on the rumors and reports.

[Frank Isola]

Does make a lot of sense. I think if you were to leave the Lakers, and I don't know why, if I'm the Lakers, I'd want to have him. I think he played really well this season for what you should expect from a guy who's 41 years old, he's not going to play 82 games. And they needed Luka Doncic. I don't think it's the craziest thing that he ends up on the Golden State wars. It makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons. Obviously the relationships, not whether or not it's going to work is still really good. And you have Minnesota. It's not going to be easy in the west, but it makes a lot of sense and it's certainly a move I could see LeBron James making.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, in the history of the NBA, San Antonio, if they won the title, would be a complete outlier because they're really young. There have been teams that have been a little long in the tooth. Remember that Warrior team that beat the Celtics a couple years ago for the last title? They're a little old. We thought they were too old. Too old can have some playoff success. Too young almost never wins a title. And I don't, I'm not saying it's a title team, but it's a squad that, that is a. That it. If that team won 48 games, 49, 50 games and was a 5 seed, 4 seed, you'd be shocked. They're not Oklahoma City, they're not San Antonio. I don't know. Do you trust Houston?

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I mean, Denver's got Yokich and you know, do you trust Denver? I mean, J. Mac, you and I, we like the NBA. When I put that picture up of Steph Butler, LeBron pods. Remember, this is the best draft, maybe in a decade. You're going to get a. You're going to get a at least a high end rotational player out of this draft, a Dai Mara.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

I think you're onto something. I just wonder are they going to have to push back the start or push up the start times? Right. Because these old people, you know, they get dinner at like 4:30 in the afternoon. They got to go to Red Lobster for the early bird special. Colin, this is just an ancient lineup full of fossils. I do like the idea, but I'm wondering if these stories are coming out because LeBron needs leverage with the Lakers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think LeBron wants to remain with the Lakers. But I also, you and I have said this. He's too good. I mean, Tom Brady retired. He retired because the bucks were 8 and 9 and not remotely viable for a Super Bowl.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

You can talk yourself into this team thinking if they went into the playoffs and Butler is recuperated. I mean,

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they were the oldest team

[Colin Cowherd]

in the NBA last season. So LeBron's not making them younger, but they're also going to get two draft picks, or maybe they use two to get one and get a better player, but they're going to have a rookie somewhere in the rotation.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

Okay. So hypothetically, they're not better than the Thunder. They're not better than the Spurs.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

Are they better than the Wolves?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think. I think it would be an interesting series. I. I mean, the Wolves were a real. I mean, they were real. Yeah. Are they better than the real. They were a real disappointment. I don't know what to get with Denver. I don't. I don't know what to make of Denver. Oh. Oh, my.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

Okay. Are they better than the Luka Austin Reese Lakers?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes, absolutely.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

TBD on that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Their offense was bottom half of the league. It would not be with LeBron. That. Right.

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And Jimmy Butler, obviously.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. They just. Listen, they were eight games under.500. Is it realistic to think that with LeBron, who's always elevated teams, he's. I mean, LeBron, when Luca got hurt in the playoffs, you're, like, kind of viable.

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Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And kind of interesting. You think it's bizarre that they would go eight games above.500 with LeBron? Yeah. I don't know. He averages over 20, and he's still one of the best passers in the sport.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

By the way, that. That would be the best golfing basketball team in the NBA. I know you're a big golfer, but Steph Curry is, like, awesome LeBron. All he's posting on Instagram is golf stuff. You know, I know Draymond's trying to play, but he can't. Yeah. Listen, I don't know. By the way, are we going to do any golf coverage of your swing?

[Frank Isola]

No.

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America doesn't care. They care about the World cup coming up next. Yeah, I know you don't want to hear it, but Jalen Brunson's got a little Sam Darnold to him. And is Nick Saban just being a big hypocrite? It's the Herd.

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There's all sorts of biases. There's confirmation bias, where you predict something and want it to be true. There's recency bias, where you know something happens and you get all excited and you're like, yeah, that's, that's gonna, that's gonna last forever. I did that with a Denver Nuggets title a few years ago. I had recency bias. And there's also first impression bias, where it is hard to unsee things. First impressions are really, really I don't care if it's dating. First impressions are really hard to break. Jalen Brunson was a completely forgettable player. Second round pick. I mean, second round guys in the NBA take out Jokic, Draymond Green, they disappear into the ether. His first two years he averaged nine points a game. Forgettable. Never made an All Star game the first five years. Dallas bailed on him. And, and, and I'm guilty of this. I'm like, yeah, I didn't see him being all NBA three of the last four years and being the best quarterback in New York since Namath. 26 a night 2 back to back conference finals, chance to win a tie. I didn't see it. Now I did with a similar arc in Sam Darnold. Now, Darnold was truly. I mean, the jets are. Say what you want about the Knicks, they're better than the Jets. But Darnold was 13 and 25, completing like 59% of his throws. Brunson was kind of forgettable. We didn't look at him as an elite talent. Darnold, people that I trusted thought he was a great talent, but he was bad. But that's why I keep saying about Darnold. So for all of those who love the Brunson story, well, you have to love the Darnold story. He's 35 and 10 with four different coaches in his last 45 games. With a passer rating of 100. That's Patrick Mahomes career passer rating. He's top eight. Sorry. If you're going to say Brunson's great and you're not going to hold the early years against him, you're going to say, well, the Brunson I see now. And the moral of the story is young people in all industries develop differently. I mean, Darnold was a top recruit, so was Brunson. Their first team, they came into the league, it just wasn't the right fit. But both were incredibly good people, hard workers and team guys and winning guys. So Steve Jobs has a great quote. The late Steve Jobs, he goes, a lot of overnight successes take a really long time. And Jalen Brunson today is a top five finisher in the NBA. There's no doubt about that. He's a top five shot maker in the NBA. Here's the other thing that doesn't get discussed. Unlike Luka, he's available. Unlike Luca and Harden, he gives you a really good defensive effort. He's not a great defensive player, but he gives you the effort. So, you know, unlike a lot of stars, he's also willing to come off the ball. He's amenable to change. I'll come off the ball. Harden wouldn't. Mello wouldn't come off the bench. Mello wouldn't come off the ball. He'll do whatever it takes. He's a winning player. And, you know, his ability to say, I'm going to take a little less because I want us to go out and get guys like OG that's why they're here. That's why they're red hot. I think that, I think that seeps through an organization. I'll come off ball I'll take a little less. I think that's very football ish in America. Here's Mike Brown on Brunson.

[Mike Brown]

He's a gamer, man. In the biggest moments he shows up and that's what MVPs are supposed to do. We put the ball in his hands. We said we were going to live and die with him and he went and he got it done for us. And that's happened time after time after time after time. He got this spots and he made plays.

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So I saw this this week. I know Nick Saban a little, and I like him. But some of this Nick Saban made over $100 million in the free market with college football. Never talked much about budgets back then. If the Alabama athletic director would have said, you know Nick, we got to

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to his agent, Jimmy sexton, and said, call texas or find the money. Nick saban this week put his support to a bipartisan bill that college football's a runaway freight train. One of his quotes was, if you had the biggest, baddest Ferrari, it's going 150 miles an hour toward the grand canyon. Somebody needs to tap the brakes. Nick was never publicly tapping the brakes when he was the highest paid coach or there was a facilities building war. I mean, for years and years, Oregon, Texas, bama, we're spending hundreds of million on facilities and now we're spending a million point two on a wide receiver who's going to be a first round pick. And we got to tap the brakes. I didn't, I didn't hear Nick. And a lot of these coaches that worried about the olympic sports in college athletic departments have been a house of cards forever. Forever. They're bloated, nonsensical. 30 teams, 28 hemorrhage money. And I've said that for years. I would have cut them years ago. I mean, universities drop courses and majors all the time. You can't drop fencing, wrestling. So all I know is that when coaches salaries exploded, nobody talked about a Ferrari in the Grand Canyon. Alabama just finished a football operations center. $300 million. At the current rate, that would pay for about seven Bama teams over seven years. So all I'm saying is the college football revenue, according to a report I read this morning, is larger than 35 other college sports combined. In fact, if the sport is in so much trouble, why did the big ten over the last two months report that their payouts to all the university teams members were going to be 25% higher than expected? So the revenues are through the roof. The quality is unbelievable. Players are staying in college and getting more degrees. And now the sport's in trouble. I don't know if it can sustain itself. I mean, USC just built a $300 million facility. And I'd been to their old facility, it was gorgeous. I don't know why they needed a new one, but they did and they found a way to pay it. So I mean, I think all these college I've been for years, I've always felt college athletic departments all need to go on ozempic. They all need to. They're all bloated, they all need to lose a little weight. But don't tell me the college Running back making 1.4 is outrageous as you build another $300 million football operations center. And again, universities drop majors and classes all the time. You can drop Greco Roman, wrestling, whatever. It's been a house of cards forever. And LSU wants to build a new $400 million facility. LSU's facilities are pretty nice. That's why they recruit so well. You think Lane Kiffin would have gone to a place that had lousy facilities? So you can pay 400 million for facilities but you know that defensive end is making a million four. Well, yeah, he's going to be making 6 million later when he goes to the NFL in the first round from lsu. And I'm not anti Saban, but it's all this ratings up, revenue up, attendance up, quality up. I don't like that right tackle salary. Here's Nick Saban this week on the nil and the impact of Olympic sports.

[Nick Saban]

Let me give you the history. My first year we had collective at Alabama 2.7 million. Next year 7 million. Next year 10 million. I retired. Next year 17 million. Next year 24 million. Now you have schools that have close to $40 million rosters. So if we continue to do that, we're going to lose Olympic sports, we're going to lose non revenue sports, we're going to lose scholarships. And basically what's going to happen is, is you're going to have football and basketball succeed and we'll have club sports for everything else with no scholarships. That's horrible.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is it? I mean right now football and basketball, men's and women's, the only thing that makes money. And I think that's. Listen, the NFL salary cap, it goes up every year too. It goes up every year. The Big Ten. I'm not picking on Nick, but I didn't hear this during the facilities race. I didn't hear this during the salaries exploding for coaches. And you don't have to be involved in the NIL at the highest level. Here's the other thing I hear. Well, I mean it's just so top heavy. Oh, that's funny. Indiana went 16 and oh last year. I don't remember that ever happening. Texas Tech's a baller. I don't remember that being the case. Vanderbilt gets five star recruits. I don't remember that being the case. I'm seeing a lot of stuff. I mean, you know, Oregon's been good forever and, and Notre Dame and Miami's back.

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And I mean I'm seeing a lot of the big dogs. Georgia's still great, Bama's still legit. But I'm seeing Ole Miss and I mean it's. Ole Miss isn't paying A fortune for their coach. They kept that quarterback, that Trinidad Chambliss. I mean, Mississippi is, I guess, one of our statistically poorer states. They got enough money to compete. Is Indiana a rich state? They got money to compete. Vanderbilt's a small private school. They got enough money to compete, but wide receiver making 1.2. We're in big trouble. This Ferrari is going over the Grand Canyon. Let me tell you something. This sports been Thelma and Louise for a long time. They've been cars driving over that canyon for a long time. And it's never been better. I mean, J. Mac said it yesterday, and I'll repeat it. I never. I never watched more college football games than last year. You have to go back when I was like 15 years old and I, you know, didn't have the responsibilities of America's honesty broker. Get me all worked up. You're picking on Saban. No, I'm not.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

I like Nick. No, not at all.

[Colin Cowherd]

I like Nick. I think he's the best college football coach ever. I think he's a great guy. He's funny. He's a great broadcaster.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

Don't you think? When he said. I think he. The first number he threw out was 2.7 million. To me, that says if salaries have gone up from 2.7 to 40, that everyone was woefully underpaid for years because the market is saying, we can afford these receivers, we can afford these linebackers. Let's pay them.

[Colin Cowherd]

Guess what a house in Miami used to cost 375,000. Over the last six years, a house in Miami cost 801.4, 1.8. Miami's been on fire for five years. It happens. It's called inflation. It's called tech. It's called AI. Miami now is like one of the most expensive places to live in the world. It wasn't 10 years ago. It happens. Like regionally, Tech. Miami's become a tech hub. You know, it's this price of eggs goes up, price of homes goes up. And you always see these things. You know, you'll see this. A house in California used to cost $23,000. You know, a lot of things didn't cost any money. Yeah, it used to be a college football coach making two and a half million was like, whoa, can we afford. Nick's making 10. It's like. I didn't have a problem with it. Have you been forever? I argued one time years ago. Mack Brown was at Texas. He called me. I didn't even know Mac. He called me. I went on the air And I said, you guys are struggling. Paying Mack, it was like seven and a half million. He's put like 9,000 people every Saturday in Austin into the stadium. Do the math. It's 75 bucks a ticket. The suites are all full. I'm like, seven and a half million. You could pay him 15 and it's Texas.

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And Mack Brown actually reached out and

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he's like, hey, thank you for that. And he was just like. He goes, I'm getting killed down here. And I'm like, coach, when Mack Brown was there with Vince Young, there was a sea of orange. They were just. They were a bank. So, guys, you know, Magic Johnson once signed a contract. 25 years, 25 million. Go look at Michael Jordan's contract. Michael Jordan now makes more money annually in shoes than he made for his entire basketball career. I read that couple. I think that's the truth. I read that something about, like, that couple years ago. One year of shoe sales more than I think he makes. Like, is it 250 million a year in shoe sale?

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

At the height, Jordan was making like 30 million a year.

[Colin Cowherd]

He had a couple at the end.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

At the end. Finally going to double that in like two years.

[Colin Cowherd]

And he's take. Yeah, yeah. And deserves it.

[JMac (NBA Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, Magic Johnson, 25 million for 25 years. Evan Mobley just signed a $270 million contract. Is he. Is he. Is he Thelma and Louise in it over. Is the NBA going over a cliff? It's like, stuff gets more expensive. All the LSU wants to build a $400 million facility. Really? Kids want to get paid. Do they really care about your. Where the barbells are in the weight room? I mean, it's the Herd.

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So, you know. So the Chicago Bears are headed to Indiana, and Mike Braun is the 52nd governor of Indiana. It is a huge story here. I will tell you that. Remember, the jets and the Giants play in New Jersey and the Washington Commanders play in Landover, Maryland. And the niners Stadium is 40 miles out of San Francisco. And the Chiefs are moving from Missouri to Kansas. So this is happening all over. And a lot of times it can be a red state going after a

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States have a right to compete against each other. So the governor of Indiana, Mike Braun, who is the 52nd governor, is joining us. So it's interesting. Here's what I know about Indiana first of all, Governor, thank you very much for stopping by. A former businessman who decided, hey, I want to get my state right. You're not desperate. This is not a Hail Mary. Indiana economy is actually. I used to have a place in Salt Lake City and they used to brag about Utah's economy. And I'm like, really? Indiana's economy is almost the Utah version of the Midwest. Tell people right now about how hot your economy is.

[Mike Braun]

So talked about a little bit earlier, Indiana's GDP growth, and we've been running it as a business for the nearly year and a half since I got elected. I brought in a bunch of private sector individuals to kind of get it in shape. We're getting a dividend at the cost end of the spectrum by running government more efficiently. And we've got the lowest unemployment rate in the Midwest.

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[Mike Braun]

And think about GDP growth twice as fast as your economy in Illinois. And Ohio's. Three times as fast as Kentucky's, six times as fast as Michigan's. We've got businesses moving in here, families. And where would you want to have your own business for the next 50 years? And all along, when I met the McCaskey brothers right here in the next room, I met the residents. Currently, we hit it off because I'm one of the few governors, hell, there was hardly anybody in the Senate that signed the front side of a paycheck. And we hit it off and I just wanted to make sure it was an honest discussion, you know, not a bargaining chip. And I felt good from the get go. We moved at the speed of business. They could see it.

[Colin Cowherd]

And here we are now. Are the Colts upset? What's the reaction from the Colts?

[Mike Braun]

Well, we made sure that they were going to see that it was a win win for them. And from the get go, they loved the idea. They've been behind it. And Indiana has kind of become like a sports center. We're the easiest place in the country to get to, logistically. NCAA is headquartered here. We just had the Hoosier miracle occur. And when it comes to things like high school basketball, that's Hoosier hysteria. The state is built around a lot of sports. And in this case, I think it fits in perfectly with what we do well already.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. You also have the best airport in the country. I will confirm that it is by. I think it's been voted the best airport in the country.

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So now, now the knock is, oh, Hammond, Indiana. I mean, gonna take you forever to get there. What would you say to somebody that lives in the north burbs will met Kenilworth and they say, oh, I gotta get all the way to Hammond, Indiana. What would you say to that?

[Mike Braun]

Well, what I would say to everybody in the central part of Chicago and South, which I've got a feeling a preponderance of the fans come from. It's gonna be easier to come to Hammond because you're coming train by any way you choose to do it. It would take less time than going from Soldiers Field up to Arlington Heights. So yes, for some folks center north, it'll be a little different, but you've got ways there with your train system. We've got now trains that go right near where the stadium's gonna be built. And plus, once you get there, you're gonna have elbow room. There's gonna be tailgating going on. You couldn't do that. It was a logistics feat to get the Soldiers Field and think about how much more stadium you're going to get built for the money in a place that's got a much lower cost of living and an economy that's on fire.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, that is the advantage. I've said this. Stan Kroenke could afford to stay in Los Angeles when he moved the Rams because he's one of the richest guys in the world. But like for instance, the Morris, they. They Mars are like, let's go to Jersey. We've saw the Raiders left the bay. They went to Vegas. Folks, not all, you know, not all. There's a handful of NFL owners that will, you know, they can handle a lot of it, but a lot of owners, they're looking like the McCaskeys. Do you think the McCaskeys in your dealings with them, obviously they're excited about a new project. But when you started talking, did you have to kind of be delicate with this? Because event most teams would rather play in that home state. Was this a. Was it a little tender? Was it a tough negotiation or discussions early?

[Mike Braun]

Well, here's how it all went down. They had reached out to their governments five years ago because anything when you knew your lease was coming to an end, you start planning way ahead. And of course, what has the area given them more of probably doubt about what it would be like taking on a project this size. I did so much real estate before I became governor, built a little, little business of trucking and warehousing into a national company. So I had to deal with this a lot. When you're putting megaplexes in of hub warehouses, cross docks so they could tell immediately they weren't talking to a politician, they were talking to somebody that done it. So we knew what made sense when you're making a decision of this magnitude. And from day one, when they were in the dining room right next to where I'm sitting, we had a good two hour meeting. They came to us and all I was interested in is, is this going to be an honest discussion, not a bargaining ploy. And I just came out and said it and they knew I knew what we needed to do and we made it easy. We moved at the speed of business from that first meeting, which would have been sometime before Christmas. And then when you got to get a legislature to come along, well, look what just happened in Illinois. I coordinated that with our legislature to get the bill passed the first time through and to where they made a strong public statement. At the same time, they were interested in moving forward. So I wanted that to be done to show that it was moving in an honest way. Honest brokers on both sides. Those are things you don't learn in government. You learn that kind of stuff in the private sector.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so we can talk about this stuff. When is shovel in the ground moment. Like, what are we talking about here?

[Mike Braun]

So a lot of the due diligence has already been done. And in a real estate deal of this magnitude, we had to have the other entity, the city of Hammond. And Mayor McDermott has been as accommodating as the state government has. So we've gone through most of that. The critical point, I think, for the league and for the Bears was to get this decision happening because it kind of closes the deal. And now the urgency of what needs to be done will be done. On any big operation, big real estate deal, make sure you dot your I's, cross your T's, do the due diligence because we got plenty of time. I think there are lease runs through 33, probably take a couple three years to build it. So we got time to do it right, build it out properly, make sure we get all the surrounding economic development done well. And by the way, that's going to be easy in a state like Indiana where our economic development commission, I, as a governor, a legislature that is going to be agile. I think they thought about what the process remaining was going to be like, what the next 50 years are going to be like. And I said all along they'll come our way.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, just 30 seconds. It's all projection. Obviously the state of Illinois is going to lose some money. They would argue, Pritzker would argue. He's just not willing to take money and take it at a taxpayer's hands. But what kind of windfall could this be annually to the state of Indiana in about 30 seconds.

[Mike Braun]

So it'll be a significant windfall. We do everything to where, even when we craft the deal, it's long term. There'll be ways for us to recoup the investment. Big issue, the marginal benefit of doing it in Chicago especially, or in Illinois. There were just too many uncertainties.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Mike Braun]

The return on investment will be greater for us than it would have been for them. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right. It's still a Chicago Bears and people are freaking out here. You're not changing the name, right?

[Mike Braun]

No, no, I would be. That would be obtuse to think it would be the Hammond Bears.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's the Chicago Bears back in 1921 or 22. It was the Hammond Pros back when

[Mike Braun]

the NFL, they were one of the first pro franchises. You're right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Mike, a pleasure. Mike Braun, Congratulations on your success and your kind of ideology on how to run a state. A lot of people agree with it and thank you.

[Mike Braun]

You're welcome.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right. You know, I don't get a lot of governors on. You know, maybe Gavin Newsom will stop by Monday.

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