FantasyPros - Does Drake London Have WR1 Overall Upside? | 12 INSANE League Winners To Target In Your 2025 Fantasy Football Drafts (Ep. 1592)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Episode 1592 Title: FantasyPros - Does Drake London Have WR1 Overall Upside? | 12 INSANE League Winners To Target In Your 2025 Fantasy Football Drafts
Release Date: June 17, 2025
Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Description: This episode dives deep into identifying twelve standout players poised to be league-winning picks in the 2025 fantasy football drafts. Hosts Seth Wilcock, Derrick Brown (DBro), and Scott Bogman (Boggs) analyze potential sleepers across various draft rounds, offering strategies and insights to give listeners a competitive edge.

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Introduction

Seth Wilcock opens the episode with enthusiasm, referencing Ricky Bobby's famous quote, “If you ain't first, you're last,” setting the competitive tone for the discussion on potential league-winning fantasy football picks for the upcoming 2025 season.

Wide Receiver Focus

Drake London – A WR1 Prospect

Timestamp: [03:59]

Derrick Brown:
“Dude, it's Drake London. It's been Drake London. I've put it out there on social media, man, he is got dark horse wide receiver one overall upside.”

Scott Bogman:
“You said Darnell Mooney but you met Drake London.”

Analysis:
Drake London emerges as a top contender with WR1 upside, primarily due to his high target volume and improved offensive pathway. Brown highlights London's potential to outperform his Average Draft Position (ADP) thanks to the Falcons' passing strategy and enhanced quarterback play with Michael Penix Jr. Despite limited quarterback experience, London's metrics in games he played under Penix indicate a significant breakout potential. Both Brown and Bogman express strong confidence in London’s ability to dominate his position this season, making him a prime target in the second and third rounds of drafts.

Xavier Worthy – High Upside in Chiefs’ Offense

Timestamp: [35:55]

Scott Bogman:
“What does that look like, that looks like some peak Tyreek Hill years right there. That extrapolation, right. Like 111, 12, 39 and 9, 119, 17, 10 and 7.”

Analysis:
Xavier Worthy is discussed as a high-upside WR option for the Kansas City Chiefs. Bogman draws parallels between Worthy and Tyreek Hill, emphasizing Worthy’s speed and big-play ability. Despite uncertainties around the Chiefs’ wide receiver core and the return of key players like Rasheed Rice, Worthy’s potential to emerge as a primary target offers significant fantasy value. Seth Wilcock and Derrick Brown acknowledge the mixed outlook but agree that Worthy's explosive potential makes him a worthy late-round pick.

Running Back Insights

Jonathan Taylor – High Risk, High Reward

Timestamp: [08:51]

Scott Bogman:
“I just think JT has the talent to be at the tip of the spear among running backs, just has to stay on the field.”

Analysis:
Jonathan Taylor is presented as a potent RB1 option with the caveat of his health and the Colts’ offensive consistency. While Taylor demonstrated top-five fantasy points per game last season, concerns linger regarding offensive line improvements and quarterback performance. Taylor's explosive run rate and tackle-breaking ability are highlighted, but Brown remains cautious, emphasizing the dependency on volume and offensive support to maintain his fantasy value.

Kenneth Walker – A Solid RB Choice

Timestamp: [17:52]

Derrick Brown:
“Kenneth Walker is 100% one of those guys. He was RB12 last year. If this offensive line takes even a small step forward this year, he's gonna explode.”

Scott Bogman:
“Kenneth Walker has the talent to be an upper echelon running back. It’s just about staying healthy.”

Analysis:
Walker is lauded for his consistent performance and high fantasy output last season. Brown and Bogman advocate for Walker's inclusion as a league-winning RB, emphasizing his ability to thrive with improved offensive line play and a supportive quarterback. Despite skepticism surrounding his current ADP, both hosts agree that Walker’s proven talent and potential for a breakout season make him a valuable pick in the early to mid-rounds.

Omarion Hampton – Chargers’ RB with Wide Receiver Potential

Timestamp: [22:18]

Scott Bogman:
“Omarion Hampton is going to run away with this job at the end of the year, which is going to have him finish total points probably as a low end RB1 or a high end RB2.”

Analysis:
Hampton is identified as a high-upside RB2 with the capability to become an RB1, especially if he secures a larger share of the Chargers’ backfield. His college statistics demonstrate versatility and efficiency, making him a promising candidate despite the presence of veteran Najee Harris. Both hosts acknowledge the potential for Hampton to significantly outperform his ADP, especially in scenarios where Harris's workload diminishes.

RJ Harvey – Denver’s RB Underappreciated Gem

Timestamp: [28:29]

Derrick Brown:
“He is a league winner. I have him as an RB1. He is RB10 in my ranks.”

Analysis:
RJ Harvey is championed as an undervalued RB3/RB2 who has the potential to deliver substantial fantasy points. Despite concerns about competition within the Denver backfield and his current ranking, Brown and Bogman argue that Harvey's skill set and opportunity to secure significant touches position him as a hidden gem for the late rounds, capable of breaking out if given the opportunity.

Ray Davis – Handcuff with High Upside

Timestamp: [59:11]

Scott Bogman:
“Ray Davis is a handcuff and if he gets the opportunity to play all those snaps, the upside is enormous.”

Analysis:
Ray Davis is discussed as an excellent handcuff option for James Cook in the Buffalo Bills’ backfield. With Cook's contract uncertainty and potential for increased usage, Davis offers substantial upside without significant risk, making him a smart late-round pick or bench stash for fantasy managers looking to secure depth with high potential returns.

Cam Scatterboo – Late-Round RB with Consistent Volume

Timestamp: [68:12]

Scott Bogman:
“Cam Scatterboo is a three down workhorse back that will wear out an opposing defense. He's not massive like Derrick Henry, but he can carry the rock.”

Analysis:
Scatterboo is positioned as a late-round RB4 with the ability to consistently accumulate touches and fantasy points. Despite playing in a committee-heavy backfield, his efficiency and reliability in both rushing and receiving make him a valuable late-round target. Both hosts agree that Scatterboo’s consistent workload and ability to impact games make him a worthwhile addition for fantasy teams in need of depth.

Tight End Strategy

Evan Ingram – Overlooked TE with Proven Production

Timestamp: [54:00]

Derrick Brown:
“He still got the juice, guys.”

Analysis:
Evan Ingram is highlighted as a top-tier TE option with significant fantasy upside. Brown emphasizes Ingram's consistent target share and efficiency, arguing against his current ADP placement. Both hosts advocate for drafting Ingram as a solid TE1 choice, noting his established role in the Cardinals’ passing game and ability to outperform expectations, making him a valuable pick in the mid-rounds.

Quarterback Considerations

J.J. McCarthy – Vikings’ QB1 Prospect

Timestamp: [59:59]

Derrick Brown:
“He is a QB1 in fantasy in 2025 and he has tons of upside for more.”

Analysis:
J.J. McCarthy is presented as a highly underrated QB1 for the Minnesota Vikings. Brown and Wilcock argue that McCarthy’s accuracy, efficiency, and improved offensive support position him as a top fantasy quarterback, despite his lower ranking in many drafts. His ability to contribute both through the air and on the ground, coupled with a strong supporting cast, makes McCarthy a compelling choice for fantasy managers seeking reliable and high-upside QBs.

Anthony Richardson – Risky but Potential QB1

Timestamp: [63:33]

Scott Bogman:
“Anthony Richardson can be that upside. It's still in there that we saw last year.”

Analysis:
Anthony Richardson is discussed as a high-risk, high-reward QB option. While acknowledging his challenging previous season, Bogman and Brown highlight Richardson's exceptional athleticism and potential to thrive if the Colts’ offense stabilizes. They suggest that Richardson could pivot to a QB1 role, especially if he overcomes his quarterback play issues, making him an intriguing late-round pick for those willing to gamble on his upside.

Key Insights and Strategies

• Target Early Upside Players: Focusing on players like Drake London and Kenneth Walker who have demonstrated high performance and potential to exceed their ADP.
• Diversify Position Choices: Balancing picks across wide receivers, running backs, tight ends, and quarterbacks to maximize team strength.
• Late-Round Gems: Identifying undervalued players such as RJ Harvey and Cam Scatterboo who can deliver substantial points without significant investment.
• Handcuffing for Depth: Securing players like Ray Davis as insurance against injuries can provide crucial depth and potential breakout performances.

Notable Quotes

• Derrick Brown on Drake London:
  “[03:59] 'Dude, Drake London is going to crush this year. I think he has WR1 overall upside.'"

• Scott Bogman on Jonathan Taylor:
  “[08:51] 'Jonathan Taylor has the talent to be at the tip of the spear among running backs, just has to stay on the field.'"

• Derrick Brown on Evan Ingram:
  “[54:00] 'He still got the juice, guys.'"

• Scott Bogman on J.J. McCarthy:
  “[59:59] 'He is a QB1 in fantasy in 2025 and he has tons of upside for more.'"

Conclusion

Episode 1592 of The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers comprehensive analysis and strategic insights for fantasy football enthusiasts aiming to dominate their 2025 leagues. By highlighting a mix of proven performers and high-upside sleepers, hosts Seth Wilcock, Derrick Brown, and Scott Bogman equip listeners with the knowledge to make informed draft decisions. From securing top wide receivers like Drake London to unearthing potential breakout running backs and quarterbacks, this episode serves as an essential guide for building a championship-winning fantasy team.

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Transcript

[Derrick Brown]

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[Seth Wilcock]

All right, and welcome into the fantasy pros fantasy football podcast. As Ricky Bobby said, if you ain't first, you're last. That's right. We're talking about 12 insane league winners to target in your 2025 fantasy football drafts. I'm your host, Seth Wilcock. Fresh off my league home draft position lottery this past weekend in the four hole this season. So home. Hopefully I'll be circling some of these players we discussed today and I'm joined by quite the cast of characters in this episode, including the king of bros, Derek Brown, AKA Dbro. Derek, great to be back with you today. How's your summer been so far since the NFL draft show concluded, my friend.

[Derrick Brown]

Dude, it's been a lot of writing, a lot of dadding with the kids at home. Three kids at home during the midst of content season is, is once it's fun. I'll just say it's interesting and, and then, you know, just trying to avoid the sun. Joe gave me crap about it the last show that I did. It is true. I got, I got a freaking sunburn in the shade, guys. So it's, it's been a tough server so far.

[Seth Wilcock]

I can see it on your, on your face a little bit. And you need that SPF 50, I think at least 50 plus work.

[Derrick Brown]

It didn't work. 200. I, I don't know. I'm gonna have to get in the triple digits now.

[Seth Wilcock]

Also joining us is my co host over the from the betting pros college football show and the coast of the fancy pros dynasty podc who's so busy, so important that he left me on red for a good 10 days recently. He's Scott Bogman. Good to see you, buddy. How are the summertime vibes treating you down in Texas?

[Scott Bogman]

Man, I'm old manning these days. That's really what it is. I gotta update on my phone stuff. Doesn't show up shows up anymore. Excuse. Excuse you arch from now on. What's that?

[Derrick Brown]

But I'm old Manning.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I see my hearing is so Bad. Yeah, I just. Oh, Arch Manning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Arch Manning. Come on. Yeah, that's, that's what we're about here. But you know, you know how my summer's been, Seth. It's been Aaron Rodgers centric. So not so happy about that. We haven't even talked about it yet, but I don't think he was number one on your call sheet either. So, you know, it's just the way it is. But we're ready to talk about some insane upside guys here. I'm excited to do it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I don't think any, any Aaron Rodgers on the program today. I don't think any Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't think they really fit into that category much. But today's show does look like this. We'll break down the guys favorite league winners from rounds two to three, the mid rounds, and some late round dart throws as well. And before we jump in, I first wanted to shout out everyone who's watching on the Fancy Pros YouTube channel or listening on the podcast feed. Thank you so much for allowing us to do this for a living. We appreciate it. As always, the easiest free way to support us is give this video a thumbs up if you enjoy this type of content. Also, also make sure you're subscribing if you're new. Word on the street is that the company might be buying Bogs a new phone when we get to 300,000 subscribers so we can finally text people back. So help Bogs, help me, help us all. Dbro 300k. We're putting it out there for the people.

[Derrick Brown]

Those whole T mobiles. He's like, bing, bing, bing, bing A F bing, bing, bing, bing J. Oh man, I'm old.

[Scott Bogman]

I'm using bat signals over here. Smoke signals.

[Derrick Brown]

That's carrier pigeons. Yeah, that still works.

[Seth Wilcock]

All right, let's go ahead and jump into our favorite league. Winning big guns that reside in the rounds two and three, a fantasy draft. Starting with Debro, who's all the way back in on Last year's wide receiver five overall. Who you got? DBro?

[Derrick Brown]

Dude, it's Drake London. It's been Drake London. It's still Drake London. I've put it out there on the social media, man, he is got dark horse wide receiver one overall upside. And a lot of these wide receivers, if you're taking them in the second and third round, you know you want them to have this type of upside where they can be that league winning player for you that massively outproduces his ADP and I understand, like he's going to wide receiver 10. I get it, you're going to have to pay up for a little bit for it. But there's still meat left on the bone. Whereas there's a lot of guys where you're drafting in these ranges where it's just like, please, please just don't lose value. Please continue to be a top 15, a top 20 wide receiver like you've been in previous years. But for Drake London, I think it's it all comes down to not only has he got the volume and the pathway, look at this passing offense. I mean, okay, Darnell Mooney's there. Nothing else. Ray, Ray McLeod. We worried about stealing targets. Nope. We worried about Kyle Pitts. Dude can't even play a full time role in his off on offense. So no, I'm not worried about Kyle Pitts. So Drake London has the pathway to absolutely crush where we saw him produce and have the monster breakout season that I always thought he had in him. All we needed was better quarterback play. With Michael Pennings this year he could unlock a totally different level to Drake London. And I know this is small sample and people are going to crush me for that, but Michael Penix under center last year, three games. Darnell Mooney played two of those games. He had a 39 target share. He averaged 117 receiving yards per game and his yards per route run jumped to 3.74.

[Scott Bogman]

You said Darnell Mooney but you met Drake London.

[Derrick Brown]

No, Darnold Mooney played two of the three games that Michael Pennock started is what I was saying.

[Scott Bogman]

Oh. Because I'm looking at Drake London's numbers with Pennock starting and they're eerily similar. You say 7.3 receptions per game, 117.3 yards per game in those games at Pennock started with Drake London. That's crazy. And a touchdown.

[Derrick Brown]

Dude. Drake London's going to crush this year. I think he has. He has wide receiver 1 overall upside down. Erickson's talked about this on other shows. We always point to the Reds on role. We know he's going to get Reds on targets. The thing is if adot goes up because we think it's going to. Because Penx is actually going to stretch the field versus Kirk Cousins right Then Drake London has the ceiling to just absolutely eviscerate his current ADP and ECR.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. 18 overall ECR currently wide receiver 10, number three in targets last year, which I think a lot of people overlook. 9.2 per game. That's elite volume. Number four in receiving yards as well also proved he's probably one of the league's best route runners. I know there's a lot of conversation when he was coming in how good of a route runner is this guy? And I think he proved that he is one of the best number seven in total routes one. So it feels like a great value in the second round of drafts. Boggs, the only question I think is for those who are going to be either in or out with London at current ADP is that the quarterback position slightly unknown. Michael Pennix Jr looked good in his three starts but it was just three starts towards the end of season as well. That's really the hold up for me and I think a lot of fantasy managers with loving London like a league winner like our friend Debro does.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I mean I like London as well. You said his ECR is 18, I have him in 19. So I'm right in striking distance of wanting to draft Drake London. And you know, look, you don't have to ask me if I'm a believer in Penix. I have two reasons. Number one, Fitz won't shut up about him. Fitz loves Michael Penix. That's one of his favorite favorite buys this year. You know it is a small sample size but you know it kind of showed the upside of what this offense can be with Michael Penix. Drake London in particular, like DBRO just pointed out 7.3 receptions per game, 117 yards per game, 0.7 on the touchdown. So more likely to score a touchdown than not every game that he started with Michael Pennick. So you saw the upside. I saw Michael Pennix tear up my Longhorns in the College Football Playoff a couple years ago. So I know that when he gets rolling and going downhill there's no stopping him. There is not a guarantee that that is going to happen week in week out. Right. But he could be really good. So we could be sitting in a gold mine with this Falcons offense and Drake London is going to be, you know, the second best piece of it behind B John Robinson and that is a very good place to be if Michael Penix gets it rolling downhill like he showed at the end of last year.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I don't like the secondaries in this division either. Like Tampa Bay, they addressed it a little bit in the second round of the draft and adding Benjamin Morrison. But aside from that like not afraid of their secondary, not afraid of Carolina secondary either. So I, I think potentially some upside there for Drake London. Boggs, let's go to you and move forward but stay still in Rounds two and three this time featuring one of your favorite running back targets that might have league winning upside.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I feel like I'm the last, you know, fighter for Jonathan Taylor here.

[Seth Wilcock]

You are.

[Scott Bogman]

I know, I understand. And look, you know we're picking the name of this show is Insane picks. Right. Like I don't even think this is insane. This guy is getting pushed down to the second round. There's a lot of good running backs now specifically with this class coming in. So I understand it. He's also had injury issues. So there's two big ifs right there. The big ifs are if JT can stay healthy because we know last year the talent is still there in terms of points per game he was fifth. So the upside is still incredible for Jonathan Taylor. And do they get any sort of good quarterback play? Because he was a top five point per game producer with horrific quarterback play last year. I mean bottom of the barrel, God awful QB play last year. So there's not a guarantee that that is going to improve this year. Right. Maybe Anthony Richardson doesn't take a step. Maybe they have to go to Daniel Jones. And Daniel Jones is kind of what we know he is at this point. I love to see him out of New York and get to maybe somewhat of a, you know, competent offense here. But this offense, look at, I mean look at how potent this could be if they fit it. I still believe in Pittman. I know he had a bad year last year, but no one was throwing the ball. Josh Downs is so good in contested situations. They added Tyler Warren over there.

[Seth Wilcock]

True.

[Scott Bogman]

Adnai Mitchell and Alec Pierce had an awesome year with all that bad quarterback play last year. So I just think he's already a guy that is producing at a top five level in a per game basis. Right. If you get competent quarterback play and he can stay on the field. And I know people look at DJ Giddens going there and saying, well, you know they have a, a good backup now. Maybe he's not going to get used as much. Good. Take three or four touches away from him every game and keep him a little bit healthier to throughout the, the, the season. I think that's great for him. So I just see, you know, I see the path to JT being back on top of the running back mountain at the end of the year. If this offense could get rolling, is it the most likely situation? Probably not. But that's why we're calling this insane league winners. Right. So I still think JT has the talent to be at the tip of the spear among running backs just has to stay on the field.

[Seth Wilcock]

I've been pretty all in on JT the past two seasons. We got him like at a round eight discount 2023 when he had that holdout situation going on that led to the injury and then also last year I took him right around that 12 turn in a lot of drafts. He didn't really leave me hanging like he still scored at least double digit PPR points in all but three games and he was a league winner down the stretch late in the season. I still felt somewhat disappointed though because he did have career lows in the receiving outputs. I worry we could see something similar this year. Arkansas doesn't seem to throw a lot to the running backs nor does Daniel Jones and the Colts feel like to me dbro that maybe this whole thing is blown up by mid season. So I'm out on jt. Where do you land?

[Derrick Brown]

I've got him still as an RB1 my current ranks but he's not a guy that I'm like gravitating to and prioritizing in drafts and stuff like that and and for much the same reasons you mentioned Seth like the I know the volume is going to be there. I have questions about the offense. I don't think the pass game upside is going to be there. So I think Jonathan Taylor you're kind of hoping for like a Nick Chubb type of run out like Derek Henry volume. Yeah yeah. Where the early down volume gets there. The touchdowns are there. The bigger thing that I think kind of concerns me most about Jonathan Taylor is the explosive run rate was still awesome last year. His tackle breaking metrics and and I will give a caveat here. Obviously we know he was not 100 healthy last year. Sure. And so can that bring these numbers down but when you see some of these guys with the volumes built up he's not 21, 2223 years old anymore and last year 11 missed tackle rate 2.03 yards after contact per attempt. Those numbers are kind of frightening when he needs to make like how he's going to cash his paychecks in fantasy for people is on the early downs because again none of us are talking about he's going to have this massive pass game upside Catch 4050 balls this year it's not going to happen with anybody under center there because instead of doing that they're going to take off running. So if the past game utility is not there to kind of save him and he needs to absolutely crush on the early downs outside of Volume. I even have some questions about his effectiveness there because well, we didn't see it last year but he still was RB7 to Bachman Point and then all goes back to the volume. So yeah, volume probably carries him and wins the day. Not a guy that I'm going to reach for prioritizing drafts. If he falls in a draft, maybe I'll get him.

[Scott Bogman]

He had to have faced more stack box. I didn't look into it but he had to face more sack boxes last year than any other year because they couldn't get. I mean Anthony Richardson was so miserable passing the ball.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Eight nine man front. So if they can just get a little bit of help of pushing back the linebackers a step, you know, getting one of those guys out of the box and on the perimeter a little bit more, that will go a long way for jt breaking some of those tackles. It'll be against one or two guys instead of three or four this year hopefully. So you know, and it finishing as a top five in points per game last year. It's still. The talent is still in there. Yeah, I can last forever. This is right where running backs hit their peak. This is 26 for him. So you know, this is probably the last huge one. Unless you start turning into a freak like Derek Henry, like Saquon Barkley and with his injury history, I don't know if that's going to be the case.

[Seth Wilcock]

So yeah, definitely, definitely a toss up there. But Bogman, he's liking the upside of JT in the early round and Debro all in on Drake London before we get to the mid round league winners. If you want a chance to win a second sign. Pittsburgh Steelers George Pickens jersey for free courtesy of our friends over@pristine auction.com. all you have to do is subscribe to the Fantasy Pros YouTube channel right now. Drop a comment below on any fantasy pros fantasy football podcast video and that's it. We will be announcing a winner right here on the program. So make sure you ring the bell so you can know when new videos are up and to claim your prize. How about that Boggs? A little George Pickens collector edition there for the friends.

[Scott Bogman]

We can cry into it. I was not happy about the Pickens trade. I think you and I did discuss that one.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Hey, playing for next year baby. Playing for next year. That's my hope there. Moving into the mid round breakouts. Dbro, who is your first league winner from rounds four through eight?

[Derrick Brown]

Did we all. Are we all pretending that 2024 didn't happen. Did everybody just wake up today and submit rankings and decide in drafts that we're all going to pretend that Kenneth Walker wasn't an RB one last year? Because that's what everybody's basically doing. He's the RB16 in ECR all throughout the best ball streets. He's an RB2. What doesn't. Doesn't matter where you're drafting at, and I think it's absolutely ludicrous. He was the RB12 in fantasy points per game last year, people. He was already an RB one. So why are we doing this? Oh, you're worried about Zach Charbonnet when Kenneth Walker is healthy? Charbonnet has not been a factor, a heavy factor. This has not been a split backfield. Oh, you don't think he can catch passes? Okay, well, all of those bad narratives when he was a prospect got crushed last year. Kenneth Walker, amongst 45 qualifying running backs last season, third and first downs per route run, sixth in targets per route run, sixth in receiving yards per game. He's also one of the best early down rushers in the entire freaking NFL because Kenneth Walker last year also led the NFL, a missed tackle rate, and was top 10 in yards at the contact per attempt. So I don't understand why everybody's so scared and they do not want to draft Kenneth Walker. And we just talked about injuries with Jonathan Taylor, but nobody seems to care about those with Jonathan Taylor, but they want to cite those with Kenneth Walker. That makes absolutely zero sense. I. I just don't get it, guys. He's a league winner. I. I have him as an RB1. He is RB10 in my ranks. And for everybody that says that, that's crazy. He was RB12 last year. If this offensive line takes even a small step forward this year, he's gonna explode. So I. I know. I'm not worried because the other thing I know the YouTube comments are gonna come in. He's got a minor ankle injury. He's already hurt. I don't care. It's freaking June, people. The team's already come out and said they don't care about the ankle injury. They're holding him back. They want him ready for training camp, and when it's go time, I want to drive Kenneth Walker everywhere. If you're giving me RB2 prices on an RB1 that has shown massive passing game upside with freaking Sam Darnold under center this year. We know first hint of pressure, he's going to check it down.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, I'm going to draft Kenneth Walker everywhere.

[Seth Wilcock]

44 overall in ECR, RB16. So I do really like the value of Walker, especially when you consider that like you said dbro, he had career high receiving numbers last year in just 11 games. I think that can continue with Sam Darnold liking to check the ball down. However, this Seattle offensive line is what I think gives myself and a lot of other rankers and fans a little bit of, a little bit of pause. Even after drafting the Bush Light drinking offensive guard Gray Zabel out of the FCs in the first round round. So where do you, yeah, where do you land on him? Bogman?

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I, I haven't met. RB15. I love Ken Walker. I think the talent is insane. I was where DBRO is last season on him. He got hurt obviously. But like DBRO said, this is, this is very similar to Jonathan Taylor. And honestly I probably would have skipped JT and had Kenneth Walker on my list had I got my list first. But Seth made this chat for us and D Roll's like, here's my picks like five seconds in.

[Seth Wilcock]

I mean he's a hard working man. He's a hard working man.

[Scott Bogman]

I'm like, can we wait until like Saturday maybe give me a chance to get some names in here. Two names everybody knows. Everybody knows the two names that, that I'm gonna be mad about. This is one of them. The other one you guys are gonna be really surprised by. But the, the Ken Walker talk. I mean I have been a Ken Walker fan since his time in Michigan State. You know, this is a guy that faced 8, 9, 10 man stack boxes because Brian Lewerke was his quarterback and still ran through. Everybody gutted that amazing Michigan defense that went on to win the national title a couple seasons later. Right? So like Ken Walker has the talent to be a upper echelon running back. It's just about staying healthy. But I will say this for him and like Debro said, when you go to a quarterback like Sam Darnold, what is the best thing you can do for him? You can run the ball effectively to make some of these passing lanes open later. They're going to run the crap out of the ball with Walker and Charbonnet as, as that two headed monster there. I mean Charbonnet is worth way more than the carries that he gets in Seattle. I think that's what scares people off of Seattle or off of Walkers. We got a little taste of it when Walker was gone, but Walker is still better than Charbonnet. Like Charbonnet is great but Walker is still better. So is he an injury risk? Yes. But we're calling this the Insane league winners. It would be insane if he vaulted up to a top five running back. But the talent is there. I think that's what we're trying to find in this show is we're trying to find talent that either the injuries something doesn't match up in their ECR and Kenneth Walker is 100% one of those guys.

[Seth Wilcock]

Dbro, if you were going to draft Kenneth Walker as early as you have him in your rankings, are you also grabbing Charbonnet in the triple digit numbers as well, like 116 in ECR? Currently he was an RB1 in games that Kenneth Walker was gone. So do you want that like a handcuff on your bench with Sharbs or are you okay missing out on the weeks that Kenneth Walker's out?

[Derrick Brown]

I'm not, I'm not. If you're. This all goes back to to ethos of guys that we're drafting. If you're drafting these guys, you are making a bet and you're placing a chip down that they are going to crush. I'm not hedging that bet.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay.

[Derrick Brown]

I understand people that if they want to but if, if Kenneth Walker gets hurt, whatever, I mean like it stays healthy for the first 12 games of the season. First eight, nine games of the season. Are you still holding Charbonnet at that point on your bench or if you probably cut loose and you have somebody else, like you're probably not holding on to that guy six, seven weeks into the season, especially your team, whether you start off like just crushing other teams and you start off like undefeated or you're struggling, the reality that he's still on your bench at that time is very slim. So for me, if I'm making it, if we're doing all this work in the pre draft process in the summer and I'm making bets on certain players to absolutely crush, I'm going to say with my chest.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay, all right.

[Scott Bogman]

I also think Charms is probably too expensive to handcuff, you know.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, fair.

[Scott Bogman]

I think somebody's going to take him a little bit higher than your traditional handcuff type player.

[Seth Wilcock]

Very, very, very true. Yeah. Boggs, let's go ahead and stay out on the west coast and get to your favorite mid round target.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Let's go to Omari and Hampton, the running back coming out of North Carolina and ending up with the Chargers here. Currently his ECR is 55, he's 52. I'm only like one spot higher than him on ECR. But I know there's pushback against Hampton having an enormous season in his rookie year because Najee Harris is there. Yes. But I do think you and I would agree, Seth, that while Najee is a guy that can handle an insane amount of volume, he's kind of a jag in NFL circles. Now, I will say this. All the hype that I have for Omarion Hampton coming into the NFL is exactly the type of hype that I had for Najee Harris coming into the NFL with my own team. Right. Because he went, you know, he went to Alabama. He had enormous, you know, production there. And also great in the scouting combine. His athletic score, the jumping, you know, hurdling, all that stuff. Najee is great, but his. His secret is stamina. It's not anything flashy. Hampton has everything, man. Listen to some of these stats. 5th in rushing attempts in college last year, 4th in rushing yards, 6th in yards per carry, 6 in run grade, 3rd in yards after contact, 6 in missed tackles. Force, 4th in explosive runs, 5th in breakaway yards, 7th in breakaway percentage, 9th in running back receptions, 3rd in running back receiving yards, 5th in running back yards per route run, and 7th in elusive rating for Omarion Hampton in college last season. This is a dude that can come in and have an insane year. Last year, he had over 300 touches in North Carolina, went for over 2,000 yards, and had 17 touchdowns. That is insane production. He ain't going to get that in the NFL. But I think it's going to be a much wider gap between touches for Hampton and Najee Harris than most projections have him for. Could it be closer, specifically in the beginning? Absolutely right. I think at the end of the day, Omarion Hampton is going to run away with this job at the end of the year, which is going to have him finish total points probably as a low end RB1 or a high end RB2 somewhere in that range. And if something happens to Najee and he gets a bunch of carries, which. Look, Naji seems like the Terminators never miss a game. Right. Like, he's insane. But if some. If anything does happen to Najee and Hampton is getting the lion's share.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Is going to put up monstrous numbers. So if we're looking at insane upside, Hampton absolutely has it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. I think I'm in line with you because I feel like we've seen this movie before. Talented young rookie running back comes in. There's a veteran on there who can snatch up some volume. Whether it was like when JT came in the league and you had Marlon Mack there. Mack ends up tearing his Achilles like week one and then the floodgates open for jt or maybe it's a more gradual, you know, more gradual thing like, like how Jameer Gibbs came in and potentially doesn't have the, the best start of the season. Dave Montgomery ends up going down is lightning in a bottle. They can't put the genie back into it. So we know that Hampton is special dbro. We know that he can handle the volume, led the ACC in rushing attempts the past two seasons. But the question is it will he see it in year one and will he see it early enough in that rookie year that justifies the cost and not just trading for him down the line?

[Derrick Brown]

Man, I hope so. My worries and, and this is why I, I didn't include him on my list. I'm a little bit below ecr. I do that worry that Naji Harris kind of hangs around I because again, like we know what is strong. Like he's solid. He's not spectacular, man. I mean he's basically the David Montgomery of this offense now. Like not in the sense of skill set breaking. Like you know what you're getting on Naji Harris, he's going to play every single game this season. He's not going to get hurt if he does get banged up. He's going to play through it. He's going to break tackles, get you four yards if you need four yards, five yards if you need that. He'll get you four yards. That's about what you're going to get an AJI Harris and I just worry that he's going to hang around too much, that it's going to hurt Hampton. But it look, if the Bolts give the keys to this backfield to Amari on Hampton, yes. Everything bogman laid out here, everything, yeah. Is going to come to fruition.

[Seth Wilcock]

Agreed.

[Derrick Brown]

The. The only other thing that I'll bring up here, and this is again going back to something we kind of mentioned or we talked about, we were talking about JT and his upside and his floor and stuff is the fact that, I mean at this point we know in a Greg Roman offense they're just not throwing the ball to the running back position even with Justin Herbert under center. Last year you had the Los Angeles Chargers finish with the second lowest running back target share in the NFL. So the other part about it is if he doesn't gain all of the work in the backfield and the red zone equity, he doesn't have any of the past game stuff to fall back on. If that's split up. Even if that pie is given to him, it's not a ton, man. So is the talent there for him to crush? Absolutely. He just needs Najee to just go away.

[Seth Wilcock]

I think if you're drafting Omarion Hampton, I absolutely believe, like, I'm with you. Boggs, I think by the end of the year he is a league winner. I just think you have to practice a little bit of patience. Right. Like don't go trading after week two or week three because he's probably averaging somewhere between like nine to 12 points per game. But you know, the 15 plus points could come the last four or five weeks when you really need it.

[Scott Bogman]

And Seth, it's a great point that you make here. Remember this if you're not the one that drafts him.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes, yes.

[Scott Bogman]

Remember this conversation. And then, you know, if people are getting frustrated with him, try to make a deal for him early in the season and then write out that end because Hampton is better than Najee and I hate crapping on Najee. He's a wonderful.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, great. Yeah, agreed.

[Scott Bogman]

You know, we watch a lot of him. He's a jag in the NFL. I think so.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Stamina is this thing. You know, producing is not. So.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. Bookmark this, this timestamp here. Put Boggs face in it as the jpeg. Save it in your folder for. For later down the road and you're going to open it up and you'll be happy you did. To no surprise, Devro, you're also in on a rookie running back being a league winner. This one coming by way of the Mile High City.

[Derrick Brown]

Dude, it's. It's RJ Harvey's world and we're all just. I mean, I just, I don't understand how like what, in what world realm are we living in? Well, we are worried about ALDRICH Estimate Jalil McLaughlin and People's newest excuse, J.K. dobbins.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes.

[Derrick Brown]

I, I don't, I just don't get it, man. Like, people wanted to shade up like RJ Harvey was an RB3 in ECR. He's a low end RB2 on a lot of different basketball sites. I, I cannot wrap my head around this. I, I don't understand it because it's like people just want to push back against the hype. They weren't high enough on him as a prospect. He went high. He got the absolute awesome landing spot. We all hoped if this would have been Amarion Hampton, if this would have been. Oh yeah, even, probably even Caleb Johnson. I mean, Travion Henderson name Any one of those three running backs, if this would have been that name tied to Denver, then people would be like, oh, it's rj. Like, they would be like just cutting backflips to draft this dude as a top 12, top 15 back. But it's RJ Harvey, so people are like, oh, I don't know. What about Audrey Castame? No. Sean Payton, who decided the running back rotation last year, said it wasn't even Aldrich. Estimate time. It wasn't Jalil McLaughlin time RIP. To me, it just wasn't, man. Javante Williams stayed out there for all of it. And RJ Harvey's not gonna get most of the work in this backfield. The high leverage touches, the pass game stuff. And for everybody being like, oh, RJ Harvey can't pass protect. Oh, so you think that he's Gonna Trust Estamira McLaughlin, who grand total of 16 pass blocking snaps last year. J.K. dobbins, a new guy who's got to come and improve that from the hop. Dude, I just don't understand how we're going to talk ourselves out of a league winning back and what we all think is going to be a top 12 scoring offense. They were last year. He produced over his final two collegiate seasons. Top 20 and breakaway percentage and elusive rating in both of those. And we know Sean Payton, we know Sean Payton is going to target the running back position in the passing game because he's done it every single freaking season he's ever been in the NFL. And the last two years in Denver, top five and running back target share in both of those years. But all these reasons, people are like, yeah, but RG Harvey's still an RB3 in my rankings. Come on, man.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes. 77 overall ECR, RB27. And I've, I've been with you, I've been hearing you dbro, really all spring, preaching the, the good word that is RJ Harvey.

[Derrick Brown]

But.

[Seth Wilcock]

But at the same time, you know, I do worry about Dobbins just a little bit because he is coming off a season with career highs across the board and carries, right. Rushing yards and receptions, even though, you know, the Greg Roman offense didn't produce a ton of them. So with that said, Bogman, I'm still drafting R.J. harvey. I just think I have a little bit less hope that he could be, you know, a top five overall running back, despite this being a guy that every time we tried to fade UCF over on the BP college football show the past couple years never worked out because of this man right here.

[Scott Bogman]

RJ Harvey just puts it together, man. And how do we know if he could pass block or not? Would he get 10 chances all of last season, right? They just ran the crap out of the football ucf. They ran like, they literally ran the ball. Like, I think it was 66% of the time, 63% of the time somewhere in that neighborhood. It was one of the higher clips last season and RJ Harvey was the guy. And this is the thing. Look, Dobbins isn't a nothing, right? He doesn't come in here and do nothing. He comes in here and he pushes at Audric estimate and Jahliel McLaughlin to the back of the lunch line. But RJ Harvey, they drafted. They. They put more into getting RJ Harvey. They gave him a nice draft spot. And guess who they could have had that entire time? They could have had Dobbins before that, right? Like, so I don't know, man. Like, I just don't. It is going to be a one, two punch for sure. But this is just like Najee and Omari and Hampton to me. Although the. The gap is wider. You know what I mean? Like, the. The gap is much, much wide. I feel like the gap is wider between Najee and Hampton than it is Montgomery and Gibbs. Like, I think those two are closer in talent, even though Gibbs is amazing than Hampton and Najee. And I think Hampton and Najee are closer than Harvey and Dobbins. So, like, I just think that we're getting further away from, you know, like Dobbins. Is he going to impact things? Yes, of course he is, but he's going to push estimate and McLaughlin out, not Harvey. I have Harvey at 22among running backs. RB2D, bro. That's for you, baby. So I'm not moving him down from there maybe to, you know, maybe I put him below Henderson, but I don't know. I think Henderson is probably on the lower end with Stevenson there. I'm more afraid of that than I am Dobbins for Harvey. So. Okay, I'm probably going to stick with Harvey right at where I have him at 22. And I think there's a ton of upside there with him. Absolutely.

[Derrick Brown]

Two. Two different things here, boys, before we move on. One, I absolutely love the comparison that you just made, Bogman, between Hampton and. It's. It's so apropos. Like, and if you look at these two situations, it's like, are you worried about J.K. dobbins? Are you worried more about Naji Harris? You should be worrying more about Najee Harris. And then you look at both of these, Both of these offenses, one of them has proven they will not throw to the running backs, but people seem to not care about that at all. And the other has proven over a decade that the running back is an integral part of the passing game. Yes, but everybody's like. So, I mean, to be honest, like, yes, RJ Harvey and Amarian Hampton. If anything, their ranking should be flipped. But if you believe in Hampton, then both of these guys should be in the top 24. Like, the addition of J.K. dobbins did nothing to my RJ Harvey rank. Because the other part about looking at RJ Harvey and his run out for this season, I never. And nobody, nobody should have ever projected this guy to get 275, 300 carries. So if that's not what you're projecting. I always believe there was going to be a running back and will be a running back in this offense next to Harvey. That's going to siphon off 100 to 125 carries. That's going to happen. Oh, okay, cool. The Broncos just said we don't believe estimates that guy. We're just going J.K. dobbins to be that guy. Fine. I don't care.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. Last thing for me on this and kind of related, just due to Bogman's comp, though, nothing be in high school, getting to the lunch line early. Man, like when, when you're at the front of that line, like, you feel like a king. Whoever was the teacher that let you go down to lunch, you know, just, just 30 seconds early, beat the little.

[Scott Bogman]

Bit of a rush.

[Seth Wilcock]

Good times.

[Scott Bogman]

I was like an Olympic sprinter to the lunch line as a fat kid. Number one, I want that food. Right. But really what it was was we played football at, at lunch, so.

[Seth Wilcock]

Oh, okay.

[Scott Bogman]

My group tried to scarf our lunch down so he could go play football.

[Seth Wilcock]

Sure. That ended poorly a couple times.

[Derrick Brown]

I will hype up. Go, Go ahead, Bog.

[Scott Bogman]

Well, I, I just that it did not end well. They made us stop doing it. But yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

[Derrick Brown]

So I, I, I will not hype up lunchroom hamburgers, but I will say warm versus cold. Yeah. You want to be on the front of the line.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, good. Good point. Also staying on brand is Bogman with his next league winner. That is a former Texas Longhorn Hook Em Boggs. Who you got here, man?

[Scott Bogman]

I know, I know. Look, it's Xavier Worthy, my guy for the Kansas City Chiefs. I, look, I get it. Rice is back. Hollywood Brown is back.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes.

[Scott Bogman]

They drafted Jalen Royals.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes.

[Scott Bogman]

Travis Kelsey's not going to have as bad a year. I understand all of these arguments about why Worthy is where he is. Right. But what about this? What if Worthy is just really, really good? Right. What type of upside does Ty. Does Worthy have? I just spoiled it. It's Tyreek Hill type of upside. They have the same type of skill set. It's speed on speed on speed. Right. And if we look at, I mean the three game playoff pace. I extrapolated it, boys. It's absurd. I'm not even going to read it.

[Seth Wilcock]

It's a playoffs in receiving yards. Yeah, yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

I'm not even going to read 740 receptions, 3,400 yards.

[Scott Bogman]

You know, it's 16, 26 yards at 17. That's. That's what it is. Okay, now let's take the last three weeks of the regular season and the playoffs. It's a little more realistic. Still insanely high. It's 148 targets, 113 catches, 1351 yards and 14 scores. He's not getting that. Like I'm not sitting here trying to sell that to you, but I will say, what does that look like, gentlemen? That looks like some peak Tyreek Hill years right there. That extrapolation, right. Like 111, 12, 39 and 9, 119, 17, 10 and 7. His best year in 23, 1799 and 13 touchdowns on 119 catches for Tyreek Hill. That's the type of insane upside I feel like Xavier Worthy has. Is he going to get that in this Chiefs offense? Most likely not. I think he. What I want Worthy as is my wide receiver. 3. That's why I have him ranked at 25 in my rankings. He's my 25th wide receiver because he is the first option I want when we get down to those RB3s because he's an upside play every single week because of his big playability. So I want my two steady Eddies and I want my third wide receiver every time to be Xavier Worthy just in case he does put together one of those insane years and him and Mahomes, you know, I think the thing that helped Worthy the most was all these guys being out at the end of the year so he could develop with Mahomes. Obviously Kelsey wasn't. Kelsey was just, you know, seemed like he wasn't playing healthy the whole year or he was distracted. But he's coming back. You expect him to be better. You expect Rice to be just as good coming back. He's already been working in Camp, so I expect him to be there. Maybe we get the suspension, maybe we don't. I just don't even know what is happening with it anymore for Rasheed Rice, so. But I am really excited about what Worthy is going to put together this year, and I want him as my wide receiver. Three on every team I put together.

[Seth Wilcock]

I think he definitely fits in this bucket of insane league winners. Right. Like, I think if you're looking for pure upside, he's there. I'm just mixed on this Kansas City wide receiver core as a whole, because like you said, we got royals in the mix. Hollywood Browns back. And at the same time, like, Worthy felt like he only took off once. He kind of pushed juju out of that Rasheed Rice roll that they kind of put juju into before he got hurt. So I just have no clue who's gonna have that Rice roll in the high target short a dot type of situation that Worthy really excelled in down the stretch. Dbro, I just don't know if that's Worthy's now going forward or if it's Rice who will slot back into it. So I'm just mixed on it. How do you feel, man?

[Derrick Brown]

I. This passing attack has been frustrating to kind of like, dice up and figure out. I think the more that I've kind of thought about this is I think Rice goes back into the. Into his role. Because if you look at how all these skill sets kind of mash up, I think Worthy proved that he can play Rasheed Rice's role over the back half of the season. With the high design target rate, the low a dot and stuff, I don't think Rashi Rice can play the Xavier Worthy role.

[Seth Wilcock]

Right.

[Derrick Brown]

And run the deep stuff. So that. That's why I worry that, like, could Xavier Worthy play the Rasheed Rice role? It's possible, but when you map. When you mix up all these different skill sets, it's. I don't think Rice can play Worthy's role. And is Hollywood going to be the field stretcher running the Go Rats, running clear outs? I mean, that could be possible and.

[Scott Bogman]

Maybe gonna be on the eyes by week three.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, that's.

[Derrick Brown]

That's also possible. Possible too. So for me, I think the big thing that concerns me for Worthy isn't even a Worthy thing. It's Mahomes. I think a lot the way that we have contextualized and talked about this offense over the last two years and why they've done some of the things that they've done and said, okay, we've all said oh, it's all too high and they're taking away the deep balls and blah blah blah and Mahomes and and that's why it's dink and dunk and everything's underneath. Dude, can we also just, just keep it a buck here and also say that this also might be a fallout for the fact that Patrick Mahomes has been legit one of the worst deep ball passers in the NFL over the last two years and that has also massively impacted this and I know Chiefs fans don't want to hear that. They also don't want to hear the numbers that he has had been bottom 10 and CPOE on deep targets of the last two years. He's also been top 10 in off target rate. Mahomes has legitimately been terrible anytime he's asked to throw down the field. And so regardless of like if they are stretching the field, if that's the role that Worthy plays them homes play and his play as a deep passer is going to incredibly impact Xavier Worthy if he's in the Rasheed Rice Kudos. Wheels up. Let's go. We know what that looks like. If even if they're they're rotating between this, that's going to hurt Worthy if Mahomes is still a putrid deep passer this year. So I'm probably at consensus on Worthy. I, I concede I see a path for the ceiling. I just don't know if it happens.

[Seth Wilcock]

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[Seth Wilcock]

All right, now let's get into the late round. Dart throws with insane upside. We'll move a little bit quicker here and let's switch things up. Boggs, who is your first of three league winners from rounds nine.

[Scott Bogman]

Plus, let's go with Ricky Piersall, wide receiver from the Niners here. ZCR currently I have it as 108. I have him at 85 overall wide receiver, 47. I have him at 37. A lot like Worthy being my first wide receiver. Three, I want Pierce hall as my first wide receiver. Four, and I think we all saw the potential at the end of the season when he got the snaps and targets. Those games were huge. But if we do the extrapolating bit that we're not supposed to do, right? The games that he played in, at least 30 passing snaps, five of them, that would be 85 catches, 1159 yards and 11 touchdowns. So you see the insane upside of a guy like this. But you know, IUK is back. Jennings is still good. Kittle's healthier. We have. I mean, if you believe it, we have Christian McCaffrey coming back, which I will not be taking Christian McCaffrey and I still almost or for me, Bog in this show. Right? Because. Because his upside is enormous. But, but look, I. I think there are a couple things we're missing here. Yes, those guys are still going to be there, but kills a year older. Is IUK the same guy coming off a major injury is Pearsall just better than Jennings. I think Juwan Jennings is great. I think he's awesome. But I also acknowledge that Pearson might just be straight up better than him. So we're gonna see Pearsall on the field a ton this season. And you know, last year in Dynasty I was way down on this guy. I thought the draft stock was great but I was like, well when does he play? Right? Because going into the year you had Kittle, you had cmc, you had Ayuk and Debo was still there, right? But now it's so different. It's CMC and IU coming off of major injuries. Kittle is officially old, seeing Debo is gone. So the situation is completely different. And I think that there's a lot of upside and a lot of potential targets for Ricky Piersol. It's just where is he going to end up in the pick in the pecking order here because he could be fourth. That would not be a shock. And I think that's kind of where you have to think that he is going into the draft. You can't push him too far beyond that, which is why his ECR is post 100. Right. But there is not a hard ladder to climb here. As hard a ladder as people would give it to if CMC is not the same guy. And I don't trust anything the Niners say about injured players after all this fiasco with CMC last year and bilateral Achilles tendonitis they have to go to Germany to fix. Right. The landscape of this offense, the pecking order is just different and I think things are going to get settled early in the season. It could be back to IUK and Kittle and CMC could be amazing. And you know now Pierce hall is fourth, fifth in the in the the pecking order and right it's him and Jennings. But I really think with the upside that he has and those couple of huge games his projections are closer to I believe when I was looking, thought I wrote it down and I didn't but I believe it was somewhere around 780 yards and five touchdowns. A couple injuries away from being a thousand yard guy and seven or eight touchdowns which is a great option on your bench as it goes right now.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I love the efficiency that Peircel hired last season. 17th in quarterback rating per target, 26 as well in fantasy points per target. Like those are great numbers. And to me fantasy football in the draft is a lot like stocks and I think his stock will be very high before brand IUK gets back to full health. It you could potentially draft him, get a couple good weeks from then flip him for maybe even a more promising wide receiver or other asset down the stretch.

[Derrick Brown]

D, bro, I'm all in on Pierce. All man, I'm with you. Bugs, you said. Where do you have him ranked right now?

[Scott Bogman]

37Among whiteouts.

[Derrick Brown]

Okay. And you had him in the 80s, what it was at 82nd overall. Okay. I have him 73rd overall and I've got him wide receiver 33. So we're basically hand holding.

[Scott Bogman]

Dude, I think we could, we could probably flip a lot of these guys on the list from mine and yours.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean dude, the thing it comes down to for me is if we take the name out of it. And you said there is a former first round NFL wide receiver that flashed in the finals. Two weeks of pretty much a lost rookie season. A veteran wide receiver is gone. Yes. He still has to compete with an elite tight end. Another starting wide receiver is coming off a major knee injury and he's fighting for targets in that offense opposite a 27 year old breakout player. I just feel like we're contextualizing it wrong with Ricky Pierasol. This is the player, this is the type of player that you embrace the risk because again the price points not high, dude, like even drafting him aggressively, we're still talking about a wide receiver three or four on your team. Now we're talking about him in the light that he can outproduce us and smash these rankings. So. But the risk is already baked in like overtly so like why not?

[Scott Bogman]

Dude, yeah, there's no downside. Like what is the downside of drafting? He doesn't work out. Your draft capital isn't killer. It's not a pick that's going to ruin your season. So if you draft him and he doesn't do anything, you can dump him. So I, I really like rostering Pierce off. I can this year.

[Seth Wilcock]

D, bro, you're still on that Rocky Mountain High with your next league winner. Pick laid on us.

[Derrick Brown]

Dude. It's Evan Ingram. Why the heck are we at ranking? Depending on what you're looking at for ecr, Evan Ingram's anywhere from like tight end seven to tight end ten. And I just. Why? It doesn't make any sense man. This is a consolidated passing attack. Bonix did what he did in his rookie season. He was awesome. He's competing with Cortland freaking Sutton for the team leading targets. We've already seen top five upside from this tight end and everybody points back to 2024 and says oh look at these Metrics and blah. Dude, he still did the one thing that we all freaking care about that's earned targets. Even last year when Evan Ingram was hurt and might I add the first season that he's popped up on the injury report since 2021. So all this other stuff about him being injury prone that I've also heard people talk about is also bs. Evan Ingram has top three upside at the tight end position this year. He's going to crush, he's going to get a ton of targets in this offense. I just don't understand where the downside is, man. And the guy has shown that type of upside target earning ability. And in the two previous seasons before the injured 2024, he was 13th and 14th in yards per out run. He was top 12 in target share in each of those seasons. And I always point back to this one single metric because if you look at this metric every single year, it is the top shelf guys of fantasy royalty at tight end. And that's yards per route run against man coverage. Amongst the tight ends before 2024, those two seasons, Evan Ingram fourth and eighth in that metric. He still got the juice, guys.

[Seth Wilcock]

Evan Ingram's 2023 season still stands second in all time tight end receptions with 114. So we're not that far removed from that Bogman. I think the question is for a lot of fantasy managers, once you get to this range, are you just waiting and fading the tight end position? Because that's kind of how I feel like if I don't take Brock Bowers early, which I'm not doing a lot this year, if I don't get a Kittle, you know, somewhere in those middle rounds, like I'm just waiting for a Tyler Warren for a Kincaid, you know, a fryer, me with one of these guys way down the board. So would you stand, pack and, and make this decision and draft someone like Evan Ingram or are you just kind of fading this whole tier of tight ends?

[Scott Bogman]

I mean I just, I'm with you Seth, in the fact that I just fade tight end after the top like two or three. Right? Like you know, it's Bowers. I think McBride gets back on top. I still think Kittle, you know, is the best tight end in the league. Maybe not the best, you know, fantasy tight end. Obviously that's Bowers. But just talking about overall, I think Kittle is the best tight end in the league. So it was not one of those three guys. I have Laporta and Hawkinson locked in pretty solid at four and five.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay.

[Scott Bogman]

And Kelsey in that mix as well after that. I don't care, like just whoever. If Ingram is your guy, great, it's Ingram. If it's John who Smith. If it's, you know, coming off his big year.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Getting traded. If it's Mark Andrews after.

[Seth Wilcock]

No, we, we don't need John who traded. Man, keep him, keep him there.

[Scott Bogman]

Please, God. But we do not need that. But, but yeah, I mean, if you want to take one of those rookies with upside. If Ingram is your guy, though, I understand it. And Ingram is proven. I think that's the thing between him and the rookies.

[Seth Wilcock]

Right.

[Scott Bogman]

The rookies have more upside. Sure, maybe. But is it guaranteed? Absolutely not. Tight end is one of the harder positions to come in the NFL and dominate, which is why there's no Brock Bowers in this class. Because there's no Brock Bowers in any class. Right. It's very, very rare to have those type of guys. We want to find a guy, but, you know, we put it on the wrong guy all the time. We put it on Pitts, whose rookie season was great after that, he's been bad. We put it on Noah Fant didn't do anything. You know what I mean? We put it on too many of these guys that just don't turn out. Dalton Kincaid was the most recent one that we were saying like, oh, sure, going to be amazing. And it didn't work out. But you know, Evan Ingram is a steady Eddie, so if he's your guy, he's going so late, he's going get him a great deal. Yeah, yeah. I don't like the tight end position overall.

[Derrick Brown]

There's no reason there should be a two round discount or a two round separation between him and TJ Hawkins.

[Seth Wilcock]

I agree, I agree with that. I agree with that 100%, Bog. So let's go back to you and let's head to Western New York for your next league winner. One of the best stories coming out of that 2024 NFL Draft cycle.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I love Ray Davis. Just such a hard nose running back. And this one is probably the biggest reach that I have. And this unlike before we were talking about Charbonnet, you know, too expensive to be a handcuff. Ray Davis is not too expensive to be a handcuff for James Cook. And this guy has proven at many places in college he had to bounce around, you know, to Temple, to Vandy, to Kentucky to finish off his career that he can be a major contributor. And he already has way surpassed Johnson on the depth chart. Right. James Cook is in a contract dispute right now, but we see what playing next to Josh Allen can be when a guy like James Cook is scoring 16 touchdowns. And, you know, if I pick a guy to score 16 touchdowns in a season, it's never going to be James Cook. And I think James Cook is awesome, but it's going to be Derek Henry, it's going to be Saquon Barkley. You know, it's going to be Jonathan Taylor. It's not going to be James Cook, but because he plays next to Josh Allen, he got in there 16 times. This offense is insanely potent. And if Ray Davis gets a shot to be the guy, I think that he can be just as good, if not better than James Cook, given the opportunity. And you know, he's not going. I don't think he's going to take a huge step without something happening to Cook. But Cook is a free agent in 2026. Maybe they want to get Ray Davis just a little bit of a longer look, a little more experience to take over next year because they're definitely not extending James Cook is what it looks like right now. I don't that. And that also could get ugly going into training camp. So there's, you know, paths to Ray Davis getting to big production, but I think most of it is going to be if James Cook gets hurt. So a nice handcuff and if he gets the opportunity to play all those snaps, the upside is enormous for a guy like Ray Davis. So I know we're counting out Blake Corum on this show with Debro here, right? Because, you know, but we got to get one of those guys from last year in Ray Davis, and I think he's a really good handcuff. If you draft James Cook.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. 6.6 rushing attempts per game last season. I. I think the upside case is certainly there and Bogman made it in great fashion. Dbro. But the other side of that, if Cook is somehow all the way back in here, Ty Johnson still sniffing around, vulturing tight touchdowns and receiving work, then you got a roster clogger in Ray Davis.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, I mean, I think his, his ADP and things are appropriate for me is the upside there. I mean, dude, just look back to last year. In the two games we got great over 50% of the snaps. He averaged 20 touches on 108.5 total yards. He was the RB14.

[Seth Wilcock]

Sign me up.

[Derrick Brown]

Both of those games and weekly scoring. So, dude, when he's on the field.

[Scott Bogman]

They'Re giving him the ball, which I hate. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, Ray Davis is out there, he's getting a handoff. The whole defense knows it too though. Like, you know, break him up a little bit, get him out there on some passing downs or something. Break him up. I feel like. Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean, the other thing is Buffalo could easily turn this into a thunder and lightning kind of committee. And Davis has standalone value from day one.

[Seth Wilcock]

True, true. Dbro, you've got our first quarterback on the league winning menu. Who's, who's next for you, man?

[Derrick Brown]

It's, it's gotta be J.J. mcCarthy. Dude, like, I'm getting all high pitched here because I don't understand. Like, I keep talking about all these rankings that make no sense to me. We all lived in a world last year where Sam Darnold was a top 10 quarterback in fantasy, right? We, we all, we all experienced that together.

[Seth Wilcock]

It was real. It was real.

[Derrick Brown]

It happened. You could pinch yourself a million times and it still happened. QB9 and fantasy points per game. And yet we're ranking JJ McCarthy as a low end QB2. And I cannot make any sense out of that because it's not just Sam Darnold. You've seen Josh Dobbs, you've seen Nick Mullins, you've seen all kinds of parts of pieces produce as QB ones or high end QB ones, depending on the player and their skill set in this offense. And people don't think that J.J. mcCarthy is going to do that. And I feel like all they're doing is just cementing and bias of old bad draft prospect takes for a guy that they hated coming out. They'd love to crap on every part of the process. Now he's the starting quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings. Sorry, Aaron Rodgers, they never wanted you. And he's going to be a QB1. He's already a QB1 in my rankings. I'm saying it with my chest. I believe in the talent, I believe in the situation. I believe in Koc. And I'm old enough to remember when JJ McCarthy in his final year in college was top 12 in passing grade. Adjusted completion rate, yards per attempt. I'm not done there yet. Adjusted completion rate on deep pasting and also adjusted completion rate when pressured. He offers off script ability and some rushing upside. Both of those things Sam Darnold has never had. JJ McCarthy is a QB1 in fantasy in 2025 and he has tons of upside for more.

[Seth Wilcock]

I love it, man. I. I'm with you on this call because if there's one thing I can bet on J.J. mcCarthy, it's his accuracy. Number one in the Big Ten in completion percentage in 2023. Number one passing efficiency rating as well. And like also Bogman, this guy never had great weapons. He had Colson Loveland coming on at tight end and he had Roman Wilson. That's it.

[Scott Bogman]

Be the savior of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Derrick Brown]

Oh God.

[Scott Bogman]

Everybody knows. Look, you're absolutely right. I am this. I'm madder at this name DBRO than I am your.

[Derrick Brown]

I knew you were going to be salty about it. I asked you about one, but I would.

[Scott Bogman]

I'm madder at this name than I am your next one. Which is surprising and you guys will hear in a second why. But yeah, man, J.J. mcCarthy just being in a Koc offense, having the weapons that he has, like even Aaron Jones isn't dead quite yet. But it's Justin Jefferson. It's Jordan Addison who'd be a number one on so many other teams. TJ Hawkinson would be a much bigger target share guy if he was not with Jefferson and Addison on other teams. They get Darasal back on the offensive line. The defense made improvements as well. Like just his whole team is really good. This is built around him. I have McQB17. He just don't have to take him there. Right. He's a low end QB2 on almost every board. So he is a smoking hot deal right now.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. A couple of months ago I threw out a plus 550 NFC north ticket for the Minnesota Vikings on the BP NFL podcast. So feeling good about that one now. Absolutely.

[Derrick Brown]

J.J. mcCarthy plus 10,000 for NFL MVP. I'm just, I'm not. I'm just going to throw that out there. Not saying anything else, just throwing that out there.

[Seth Wilcock]

All right, Boggs, you have one final league winner to target for us today. And you're digging deep, and I mean deep. All the way down to the 15th round for this one. Who you got?

[Scott Bogman]

It's not that deep. It's Anthony Richardson. I. You know, look, he. He was God awful last year. I'm not sitting here telling you that you have to have faith and Anthony Richardson, but if he could just be a little better at throwing the ball. The rushing upside is so insane. It still exists. The arm strength is still crazy. Right. The talent is still within Anthony Richardson. It's just putting it all together and we talked about it, when I talked about jt, this is how I bookend this. My appearance here, right, is this Colts offense has the potential to be one of the better offenses in the NFL with jt, with Pittman, with Warren with downs, with Pierce, with Mitchell, the O line is the weakness. If the O line can hold up and they can have someone throw the forward pass like just a little bit, this offense could be insane. And Anthony Richardson at the helm, the offense is created for him. That's why they brought in players that have similar skill sets to him. In Daniel Jones, who runs the ball, and Riley Leonard, the rookie they drafted out of Notre Dame. They brought in similar skill set players because they built this entire offense around Anthony Richardson. It's a playbook made for him. The weapons are crazy around him. It's the biggest ifs and buts. And he was such a failure so spectacularly last season that no one has faith anymore. Even a lot of people that were screaming for Richardson to have this insane value last year, and most of us were right. So it's still in there. It's just we have to pull it out. Maybe it never comes out right. That is within the realm of possibility. But if. If this works, we are talking insane league winners, aren't we? Yeah, Anthony Richardson can be that upside. It's still in there that we saw last year. So, yes, he failed miserably and right on his face. And maybe he doesn't get another crack at it. That is within the possibility as well. But if this works, if it clicks, if Richardson starts 17 games, he's a QB one. I don't think that there's really a huge argument.

[Seth Wilcock]

I mean, I was like the poster child for like, hi, I'm the problem. It's me with Anthony Richardson last season. I was all in on this guy. And like, I think I still was coming into this season. Dbro. Until we got the recent reports that he's revisiting Dr. Neil Ellatresh, the Achilles factory out in LA who did that initial shoulder procedure with him. And like, I'm just good on it now. Like, I'll just. I. I'll just take a handcuff running back or, or you know, J.J. mcCarthy in this round. Like, I. I'm just good on AR. Now I'm out.

[Scott Bogman]

I would rather have McCarthy as well. I mean, let's say that for sure. But a Rich. A Rich is there. If he's healthy and he can throw, he is. The talent is still in there.

[Derrick Brown]

I think Bogman hit this on all points, man.

[Scott Bogman]

I'll. I'll.

[Derrick Brown]

I'll just echo that. If, If Anthony Richardson is the starter for the Colts for the entirety of the season. Yes, he's a QB one. I mean, the, the rushing alone, yeah, puts him in QB1 status even if he still is a putrid passer. I just, I do worry that like the shoulder getting dinged up, putting him behind the eight ball in the computer competition with Daniel Jones, that maybe that creates a situation where he just can't overcome. But there's still a path like the thing that, that the reason that I keep the light on for Anthony Richardson is because at the end of the day, Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen want to keep their jobs.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Is there any way, shape, form or fashion with any run out outside of them going to the freaking AFC championship game? Is there any run out with Daniel Jones starting for this team this season? They could win 1012 games. Is there any run out that this, that the Colts franchise allows this GM and head coach to draft another quarterback? I don't think so.

[Seth Wilcock]

Not with new ownership too.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, like, like for their jobs to be not safe but for them to have jobs in Indy past this season.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, it's good point.

[Derrick Brown]

A Rich has to win this job now can he or will? We shall see. But they also have a vested interest for this kid to pan out.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I think the Ursay children will have a little bit of a quicker leash than maybe Jim or say the late great man did himself. So dbro round us out here with your third and final league winner from round nine plus and I had to do a double take to make sure that this wasn't somehow like a fourth bogman selection that got crammed in here.

[Derrick Brown]

Look, I. I will caveat this. I did ask Bogman a few different times if he was okay with me taking this name because I did get to the sheet and everything before him. This is bogman approved. I want to throw that out there. I. I don't Cam Scatter Boo right now in ECR is RB41 and I'm not telling people that Tyron Tracy wasn't impressive then. He wasn't good for us in fantasy in 2024. He fumbled away the opportunity, man. And I think that with the Giants selecting Cam Scaboo, the player, the archetype that he is, they know what they're getting. They're getting volume, they're getting tackle breaking ability, they're getting dependability out of him. And for all the things that Tyrone Tracy did in his rookie season, a lot of those things that I just outlined in the archetype of player that he didn't do, man, he had the 23rd most touches amongst running backs, but yet he was tied for the third most fumbles. That's a Problem. Ryan Dayball, if he had any hair, would have pulled it all out every single time he put the ball in the freaking ground, man. I think this is not if but when the Cam Scabo takes over this backfield and if he takes over the backfield, I mean come on guys. They gave all the work to freaking Devin Singletary to begin the year last year. Then they gave all the work to Tyrone Tracy until he fumbled it up away. Then he got the job back and then he got all the work again. So how do we not think that this team wants one running back to get all the work. Now they have the guy that they can feed all the work to that's not going to sit here and put the ball on the ground. And also as a plus in the passing game final collegiate season, top 10 and receiving grade and yards per outrun Cam Scatter gets this job. Are ranking him as an RB3, RB4 is going to look blasphemous. He's going to be a weekly top 20 running back.

[Seth Wilcock]

I'm with you on this one, man. I mean Bogman and I kind of covered pretty quick, you know, pretty closely the, the final season of Scatter Boo's career. Actually a great pass blocker, great pass catcher as you alluded to. And like I'm with you, I'm not worried about Tyrone Tracy at all. Efficiency fell off a cliff late last season, fumbled away those games and like I think that someone like Scatterboo is the perfect fit for this outside zone gap duo approach that Brian Dable has become infamous for. So I think the only thing that I can play devil's advocate with Boggs and that is my job to play that, that, that role here will a three headed backfield with Devin singles Terry still in the mix, still owed a bunch of money, make it a slow first season for the former Arizona State Sun Devil.

[Scott Bogman]

I think it's within the realm of possibility. Right. Like Singletary has ruined some early career.

[Seth Wilcock]

James Cook.

[Scott Bogman]

James Cook.

[Seth Wilcock]

Pierce.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah. Damian Pierce is now nothing thanks to Devin. Well really thanks to Damien.

[Derrick Brown]

But he didn't have enough juice to sit here and hold off Tracy last year.

[Seth Wilcock]

No, no, he didn't.

[Scott Bogman]

Right. Yeah. And that's. Look, Debro is a cardinal of the cult of Cam Scatter Boo. I'm the Pope. Look, this is, I'm, I'm just trying to also play devil's advocate with Seth here. But look, I have this list of stats for Cam Scatterboot from last year as well. Second in rush attempts in college, second in rushing yards eighth in yards per carry, fifth in rushing touchdowns second in run grade, third in yards after contact eighth in yards after contact per carry, fourth in explosive runs.

[Seth Wilcock]

Wow.

[Scott Bogman]

Seventh in breakaway percentage second in first down runs eighth in running back receptions third in running back receiving yards first in running back yards after catch ninth in running back yards after catch per reception Cam Scatterboo is a three down work horse back that will wear out an opposing defense. He's not massive like Derrick Henry, but he can carry the rock. Is the window going to be short in his career? Probably right? Who cares. Let's take this three four year burst of Cam Scatterboo and let him roll with it. I think he gets going pretty early in the season. I think Tyrone Tracy is a third down back. I think Cam Scatter Boo is your guy and I do think Singletary is a little bit too old now and is pushed back down to the bench. So yes, of course I'm going to approve Cam Scatter Boo being on this list and he would have been on here if DBRO had not taken him.

[Derrick Brown]

So for all the draft capital zealots as well, Cam Scatter Boo got better draft capital than freaking Tyrone Tracy. So you can't even on that either.

[Seth Wilcock]

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[Scott Bogman]

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[Derrick Brown]

Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year a lot of the biggest names in music and sports.

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[Derrick Brown]

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[Derrick Brown]

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[Derrick Brown]

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