FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast - Player Debates, Keeper Decisions, and Draft Rankings | Fantasy Football Q&A Livestream (Ep. 1655)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast - Player Debates, Keeper Decisions, and Draft Rankings | Fantasy Football Q&A Livestream (Ep. 1655)

Date: August 16, 2025
Hosts: Seth Wilcock & Derrick Brown (FantasyPros)
Platform: The Herd with Colin Cowherd, iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

This live Q&A episode is a high-energy, interactive session centered on the latest in fantasy football as NFL preseason heats up. Seth Wilcock and Derrick Brown (aka “dBro”) field real-time questions from Twitch listeners, debating dynasty stashes, best draft strategies, positional value, hot sleepers, risky fades, and everything from English muffins to favorite “handcuffs.” The conversation is rapid-fire, filled with actionable advice, personal anecdotes, and classic FantasyPros camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dynasty, Rookie Drafts & Deep Stashes

• Tory Horton (Seattle Seahawks WR)

  • Derrick (03:56): Raves about Horton’s camp performance and X-receiver skills, comparing him to Marvin Jones. Notes his history of strong yards-per-route, and that “we are one Cooper Kupp injury away from one of [Horton or Elijah Arroyo] fighting for #2 in Seattle’s pecking order.”
  • Both agree: Horton’s a taxi squad stash, especially in late 3rd/early 4th of SuperFlex rookie drafts. Derrick suggests he fits in the “Isaac Tesla/Pat Bryant tier” (05:46).

• Quinshon Judkins (Cleveland Browns RB)

  • Listener Q (40:01): 201 pick in rookie drafts?
  • Derrick (40:28): “I’m letting someone else fall on that landmine. I was not in on him as a prospect... Now, with everything we know, the off-field stuff and he hasn’t even signed his contract... at 201, no thanks.”
  • Drops him to “the back end of the second round” due to uncertainty about his role and the muddled Browns backfield (41:45).

2. Best Draft Strategies for Unique Formats

• 12-Team, Half PPR, Multiple Flex Leagues

  • Derrick (12:12): “Being strong at the onesie positions isn’t as imperative in a 12-teamer—you’re going to sacrifice somewhere if you pay up for both a premium QB and TE.”
  • Advice: Prioritize premium TE if you’re spending on a onesie, otherwise take BPA (best player available) and stay liquid, especially with the flexibility of two true flexes. Target mid/later-round QBs (e.g., Fields, Purdy, Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy).

• Top 3 TE, Draft a Second?

  • Derrick (09:16): “Nope. There’s no point. Draft like you’re right.” Only exception: deeper leagues (14+ teams) or deep benches; otherwise, use late picks on RB/WR upside.

3. Auction of Player Value, Stacking, and Tier Breaks

• Stacking: How Many from an Offense?

  • Derrick (34:18): “I’m usually not drafting more than 2 players from an offense, especially not three guys within the top five rounds.” Reason: it’s dangerous to over-rely on one team’s weekly variance.
  • Context: Could break that rule for a serious value (e.g., Chase/Higgins/Burrow if all fall, but rarely).

• Tiers and Upside

  • Derrick (48:10): “In a vacuum, you’re taking the last guy of the top tier and then the top guy of the next tier… you’re shooting for upside. If someone doesn’t have top-30 upside, why even roster them?”

4. Favorite Sleepers, Handcuffs & Fades

• Favorite Handcuffs

  • Derrick (50:36): Jordan Mason, Tank Bigsby, Tyler Allgeier (“If anything happens to Bijan, you know who’s getting the ball”), DJ Giddens, Jalen Wright, Ray Davis.
  • Seth: Isaac Guerendo, Bay Shaw, Cam Scadaboo—all with paths to flexible roles.

• Bust Risks & Fades

  • Derrick (51:44): “Kyren Williams, Breece Hall (if truly crowded backfield), Chuba Hubbard (scared off by the Dallas RBs), Tyreek Hill, D.K. Metcalf, Marvin Harrison Jr. at cost, Zay Flowers.”
  • Seth: “Jonathan Taylor for me, I am out.”
  • Warning: Don’t mistake “safer” mid-round guys for league-winners.

5. Best Ball & Keeper Decisions

• Trey McBride Outlook

  • Derrick (17:04): “Last year, even without touchdowns, Trey McBride would’ve been WR17 or RB17—if he adds TDs, he’ll be worth every bit of a 3rd round pick, maybe a round one guy in 2026!”

• General Keeper/Draft Philosophy

  • Both reinforce: draft YOUR guys, within reason. “If you trust your process, screw ADP—there’s nothing worse than watching a guy you believe in smash, but you passed because of consensus” (37:56, Derrick).

6. Community & Interactive Banter

• Personal Stories & Banter:
  • From English muffin debates to international listeners (“We got York checking in! We got people coming back from Italy!”—47:18), the hosts create a welcoming, relatable atmosphere.
  • Humorous sidebars about food: breakfast sandwiches, “bush light” beer, and rice cooker tips.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Taking Your Guys:

  • Derrick (37:56): “Screw ADP. Get your freaking guys. There is nothing worse than watching a player you were high on do all the things you thought he was going to do during the season and you let him go 'cause of consensus.”

• On Drafting Top TEs:

  • Derrick (09:16): “If you’re spending up for the elite tight end...if that doesn’t happen, you were already behind the 8-ball anyway. So...stand with it.”

• On Browns RB Situation:

  • Derrick (28:07): “My answer is no one. I don’t want exposure to this backfield. Honestly, like, if it’s negative game script, are we going to see more Sampson? I want to avoid this backfield.”

• On Judkins as a Dynasty Pick:

  • Derrick (40:28): “I’m letting someone else fall on that landmine.”

• On McBride’s Value:

  • Derrick (17:04): “If he scores touchdowns and produces like this again...we should have been drafting him round one.”

• On Stack Size:

  • Derrick (34:18): “I’m usually not drafting more than two players from an offense...once you get above that, you’re asking for a lot more to go right.”

• Favorite League Winner Memories:

  • Derrick (54:19): “Jimmy Graham in his breakout...I was just playing one of those guys in the flex and just mauling people. It was wondrous.”

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:31 — Dynasty stash: Tori Horton deep dive
• 09:02 — Do you draft two TEs? Roster construction logic
• 12:12 – 15:32 — Strategy for unique 12-team, multiple-flex draft formats
• 26:29 – 28:07 — Browns backfield breakdown and why to avoid
• 34:18 – 36:52 — How many to stack from one NFL offense
• 37:55 – 38:48 — “Say it with your chest": Drafting your favorite players
• 40:28 – 42:33 — Judkins rookie draft debate
• 44:38 – 46:56 — Trading Jefferson & Mahomes for Lamar & St. Brown (SuperFlex)
• 48:10 – 49:08 — Best way to use tiers and draft for upside
• 50:36 – 51:36 — Favorite handcuffs: who to target late
• 51:44 – 52:57 — Top-tier players with bust potential
• 54:19 – 54:50 — MVPs from first league-winning teams

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Casual, expert, and good-humored. The hosts blend sharp analysis (“drill down into the data, run tons of mocks”) with occasional self-deprecating humor and frequent interaction with the live chat (“Worldwide, Seth—getting big, baby!”).
• Encouragement to trust your process, challenge consensus, and prioritize upside over floor—classic FantasyPros guidance, delivered with energy and clarity.
• Food, sports culture, and fantasy football often intermingle, letting listeners feel part of a close-knit, clever fantasy draft room.

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Bottom Line

This FantasyPros Fantasy Football Q&A delivers practical draft advice, dynasty scouting (with realistic caution on risky rookies), and clear principles for how to win in fantasy football—drafting with conviction and targeting player/value upside rather than conservative consensus picks. It’s equal parts tactical seminar, live mailbag, and a cozy hangout for football diehards.

Recommended for:
Anyone prepping for redraft, keeper, or dynasty drafts in 2025—and wants smart, actionable strategy along with lively fantasy football banter.

Transcript

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[Seth Wilcock]

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[Seth Wilcock]

All right, and welcome into Fantasy Pros Live on Twitch. The NFL season is getting closer and closer, so of course, we've got another fantasy football Q and A coming your way right here on Twitch tv. Fancy Pros. That's where you can follow us for all the live interactive content Monday through Friday. Your host, Seth Woolcock. And NFL training camp and preseason continues to roll on and break it all down from a fancy perspective and answer your questions is Derrick Brown, dbro. How are you today, my friend? As we are yet one day closer to it all getting going here, bro.

[Derrick Brown]

The Voice is doing a little bit better or a little bit worse, depending on the minute, but no, man, I'm excited. We saw the James Cook contract get announced. Of course. I love it when NFL news breaks, right when I'm trying to get my kids ready and out the door and stuff. So, like, I'm trying to, like, get notes updated. I'm yelling at the kids to put shoes on and stuff. And it was the first day of school, so its own timetable, baby. NFL runs at its own timetable.

[Seth Wilcock]

First day of school on a Wednesday.

[Derrick Brown]

Yes, sir. That's how they always do it in Texas, man. It's like a full day on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then they start the next week. And I'm like, what if you just start on Monday? Dude, we're getting solid. What are we doing here, man?

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, you know, back in my day, we used to go five days a week. But, you know, maybe that. Maybe that was too long ago, but no. Glad to hear the kids are back in school. That means you're full steam ahead on the season. So excited to get inside all those thoughts, all the changing opinions you've had over the past 48 hours or so since you've been back on the ground. And go ahead, guys. Drop your questions below. We'll be sure to get to them. And after the program, make sure you check out Fancy Pro's YouTube channel and the podcast feed. Some really fun episodes are out there right now. Some short form content as well. You should be checking out. And looks like we already have some friends checking in with us today.

[Derrick Brown]

Podcast. By the way, Seth, top 10 in sports podcast. All sports podcast, baby. I checked it this morning. We are.

[Seth Wilcock]

Let's go baby. Let's go. Appreciate that. That's awesome. That's because of everyone hanging out with us each and every time. Like Thoughtimus prime and Nick Steeler. Also saying thanks guys. I've had a rubbish day until now. Dude, look, that's what it's all about, man. I, you know, I, I've had those bad days. You get in with your favorite podcast, your favorite creators, you hang out with them and it makes it a lot better.

[Derrick Brown]

So Nick, bottom is prime is, is an elite screen name. It is out there. Absolutely elite.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. 100 there. Nick, thanks so much for hanging out with us, man. Glad your day is getting a little bit better. And Mike saying I can top that. My kids had their first day on a fry on a Friday. What's going on? What I'm to get into.

[Derrick Brown]

Mayor Tough scene. At least you know your kids only had to do the one and then the weekend and stuff. So there's that. So geez.

[Seth Wilcock]

Jeez. God bless you. God bless you Mayor and Thimas. Also asking thoughts on Tori Horton in Dynasty. Derek, I know he was someone. I think you like the tape a little bit for Mr. Tori Horton. How do you feel with the landing spot? Of course JSN in the in action out there and of course Cooper cup hanging out as well. So do you think there is room for Horton to make a splash with Sam Darnold at quarterback? Or do you think a change would have to come for that to happen?

[Derrick Brown]

No, I mean right now I think MBS has actually been working with the second team. Horton's getting reps at the first team and he's, he's flashing in camp and he's, he's a guy. Yeah. We talked about on the NFL draft show for fantasy pros and he popped in a number of ways, man. Like the, the 2024 injury shortened season. But 3.45 yards per route run. You also go further back in his collegiate career. He was 22nd in yards per outrun in 2022. Like I'm just, I'm obviously reading all of this stuff off of my rookie wide receiver primer. I liked him a lot, man. My con for him coming out because he has that X, that X clasher kind of style, can stretch the field. He's a contortionist in the air. My comp for him coming out was Marvin Jones, dude. So, like, I like Gordon a lot. And I mean him or Elijah Arroyo. We are one Cooper cup injury away from one of those guys fighting. I mean, both of them fighting for number two in the target pecking order for Seattle. And it's not like cup has been the picture of health. And I'm not forecasting injuries, but at this point, his career, I mean, we can kind of say, like, that's part of what's been the issue the last few years for Cup.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I completely agree with you, man. And I first laid eyes on Tori Horton back in the Rocky Mountain Showdown. I believe it was two years ago at this point. Game day was there and I was like, man, who is this guy? Like, he was the one guy on Colorado State that I was kind of impressed with. So I like him as a prospect. The landing spot, I'm okay with. I think it will get better. I don't think it's going to be like a year one pop or anything for him, but I. I think he's the guy. You kind of sit on Dynasty. If you have a taxi squad, you throw him in there. Where would you be taking him right now in rookie drafts? Like, right now, you ECR for Dynasty rookies. He's 36 overall. Does that sound about right? Late third, early fourth round. As far as Super Flex goes, I've.

[Derrick Brown]

Got Tori Horton, so I'm looking at where I had him. Yeah, I mean, he would be. So Super Flex ranks. He would be. Yeah, I've got him at 53rd overall. But, like, some of that I probably need to. Shouldn't, like, move him up some. I. I'd say somewhere, like, anywhere. Because, dude, the thing about it is, like, once you get into the late third round, it's all bets are off, dude. Like, that's the point where you're just taking your guys. So at. At any point, like, you could put Tori Horton right there in that, like, Isaac Tesla, Pat Bryant, Ellic Amanor, like, that kind of phylum. And I don't think it's wrong. And that's kind of like. So the conversation for Horton starts, like in the 30s. So, like, you know, late, like mid third. Late third. Totally.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Love that. Bam, bam. Branson hanging out with us, saying, go Birds, let's go. Go Birds, man. And we also have Bam, Bam. Saying Breakfast Sando of the day, boys. Pork roll, egg Cooper sharp kaiser roll. Also have some tasty cakes, candy cakes to make it through the morning meeting.

[Derrick Brown]

Are you living, living, Living his best life here?

[Seth Wilcock]

I love it. Yeah. Are you pork roll guy? De that something you were for? Okay.

[Derrick Brown]

Yes, sir. Totally down with that.

[Seth Wilcock]

Haven't had a ton.

[Derrick Brown]

I love. I love breakfast sandwiches, man. Breakfast candy. Like some with some, like, with that or like, on a bagel. Bagel sandwich.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Yes. All day also. All day.

[Seth Wilcock]

Listen to this, man. So when I first met my fiance, she, like, outlawed every time I would eat a English muffin. She would, like, just roll her eyes at me. And I was like, what? And she's like, that's so dry. That's so dry. And like, not wrong.

[Derrick Brown]

She is not wrong.

[Seth Wilcock]

But her dad would eat one every single day when she would grow up, and she would never eat it. And now, like, all of a sudden, like, two months ago, she just started, like, loving these and, like, she's all about the English muffin life. And I'm just like, why am I getting shamed, though, for like, eight years of a relationship for eating anything on an English muffin?

[Az Fudd]

Change.

[Derrick Brown]

No. You know what that means? It's probably that. That however her parents cooked it, because I. I dealt with this growing up. Like, my parents cook. Couldn't cook anything. Like it was okay.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Horrible. So, like, I didn't know what I like. I hated steak for the longest time because my mom would butcher it. It was like, well done. You're, like, the only flavor you're getting out of the steak that was cooked in my house growing up was like, you were dipping it in something else.

[Seth Wilcock]

Sure.

[Derrick Brown]

Like, I grew up loving a one. And yes, I was a ketchup at steak guy because my mom would butcher the steaks. It was horrible. Yeah, No, I mean, that could be a similar situation as that. Like, I will say that the. The thing to set it off, like English muffins, you need something as a buffer there. Whether that's something like, what, a lot of times it's cheese or something like that to kind of counteract the dryness.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Or if, like, you know, maybe your dad was like a habitual. Like, he liked the crunch and he would leave it in the toaster for too long or something.

[Seth Wilcock]

True, true.

[Derrick Brown]

And I will say, shout out to your fiance, she is an absolutely wonderful human. Definitely your better half. Getting into me expo as well, ma'.

[Seth Wilcock]

Am. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Field Yates told me once on a program that there are reach and There are settlers in life. I'm definitely a reach.

[Derrick Brown]

You out kicked the coverage. You definitely out kicked. You definitely out kicked. No doubt. Shout out to Beyonce.

[Seth Wilcock]

Absolutely shout out. Katie, we appreciate you, Nick, asking in. In the chat. If you draft a top three tight end, do you ever draft a second or just wait for waivers? What do you think, Derek? Are you using a roster slot on an extra TE or no?

[Derrick Brown]

Nope. There's no point. Like, this kind of goes back to the. The best ball motto, draft like you're right. And if you drag them like you're right. Like it. Now, if you wanted to take a shot on a guy like at the very, very end of like last round or somebody like an Elijah Royal, I get it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Sure.

[Derrick Brown]

Like, I'm, I'm fine with that. But like, that's really comes down to like leagues where it's either a 14 teamer or a 16 team or so. Like deeper leagues. That's where I think it's more applicable. Or teams where you've got a deeper bench. So, like, you're rolling six, maybe seven deep or something like that. Maybe there's some shallower formats. So really it has to be a deep bench because, dude, again, this comes down to like, if you're drafting, like, you're right. If you're spending up for the elite tight end, you are in that premium for them to be a difference maker at a onesie position. And if that doesn't happen, you were already behind the eight ball anyway. So why are you like, to me, the. The later rounds are you take shots on rookies and wide receivers and running backs, whether it's RB2s on depth charts or wide receivers that we think like a Tory Horton, you think that could be like a guy where maybe they evolve into a weekly flex spot. So. No, I mean, I'm. If I'm paying up for, for a tight end in almost every single format outside of what I talked about, deep benches or deep leagues. No, I'm not drafting another tight end late. Like, you're basically, you're hedging and it's like, what? At what point? Because you already made the bet, so stand with it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I'm with you. The only time I have dabbled into getting another tight end when I do draft, the top three guy is like tight end premium, right? That's really the only time.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, but then you're. Then you're just saying that like, those guys are gonna equal like wide receiver three times, right?

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, I think I took A George Kittle just because he was falling too far. And then I think I grabbed a Tyler Warren late because it was the keeper league. I'm like I might keep Tyler Warren next year. So. Love that question though. Nick, thanks for hanging out with us so much today man. Hope your day continues to improve, brother. And then we, we got another question here from our guy, M3RCK3D. So how do you pronounce that?

[Derrick Brown]

I guess we're going merked. Like these are back to the back backwards dude.

[Seth Wilcock]

The backwards guys, I just gotta tell you, the backwards ease, they really get me sometimes I think I'm dyslexic when I read them because it just doesn't go down.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean both, both can be true Seth. True, true.

[Seth Wilcock]

I just joined a 12 team half EPR league. 1 Quarterback 2 Running Back 2 Wide Receiver 2 Running Back slash 2 A Wide Receiver Tight End Flex 1 Tight End 1 Kicker Once Defense slash Special team. And he got a couple bench spots as well. This is a weird format for me. What strategy should I have going into this? I'm used to a 10 team league and best ball is premium tight end as important as in 10 team leagues? Should I prioritize either a tight end or a quarterback in the first three or four rounds? With this many flex spots, is running back a little more important than wide receivers? So convoluted question from a guy, Merck, how do you help him out here? Derek?

[Derrick Brown]

I mean and so going from a 10 to a 12 teamer being strong at the onesie positions isn't as imperative. I'm not saying that it's like it's not still viable if you and we've talked about this on a number of shows, the ability to pay up for both in a premium quarterback and a premium tight end, a 12 teamer is you're going to sacrifice somewhere and if you're doing those things, you're sacrificing a running back and wide receiver or both. And so I'm not likely to do it. I will say I'm more likely. I'm much more into paying up for premium tight end this year. So I would prioritize premium tight end if you're going to pay up for one of those positions, if not specifically a tight end, it would be. And again we've talked about this like I have. The latest article that came up for me this week was the six tight ends that I'm drafting all year basically. And so if it's not one of the three premium guys, it's Mark Andrews, Evan Ingram or Tucker Craft or the guys that I really, really want and maybe a sprinkling of some Dallas Goddard here and there. So my tight end pool this year is very, very condensed if you don't go with the premium tight end. But outside of this, man, I mean this, I don't see this as like really that crazy. I mean you do get the flexibility of like those two flex spots being like basically any position. So it's not even wide receiver, tight end or really. I mean honestly dude, like in this type of draft I'm probably paying up for tight end and then I'm just going bpa. So like, and I'm probably taking like a quarterback in the mid later rounds. Like I'm probably living in that, that Justin Fields, Brock purdy, Drake, May, JJ McCarthy type of like column of quarterbacks.

[Seth Wilcock]

Agree.

[Derrick Brown]

And I'm fine with that. And so with wide receiver and running back, it's you know, take, take BPA man. Like because again like if you're going more running back, like more wide receiver heavy, that's totally fine because you can either make trades or you can insulate the position with a lot of RB2s late, you're just really saying look or you go hero rb. So really this is all state like the things that we consistently preach. Seth is staying liquid and read the room. And if you're doing this and you've already synced leagues obviously using draft intel and stuff and utilizing that type of cheat code. Now again draft intel, you need two years of league data or like we understand. So this is a brand new league that's really not gonna like, that's not gonna fly obviously. But this is all goes back to. You should be running a ton of mocks so you are getting the, the lowdown of what, who's going to be there at your possible picks. So at least like as you're going through this, you could set the queue for like two to three players and stuff and at least know kind of what neighborhood you're living and building. A lot of different squads.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I'm completely there with you man. And like this is actually like the exact format other than it's full PPR that I play in my home league every year. And like for me, for me I'm just strictly going off my tears for those first couple rounds. Like Derek said, if you want to grab an elite quarterback or an elite tight end, don't do both. Get one of them. Live in that, that deeper range for the rest of it. And for the most part, man, Like I'm just pounding wide receiver and running back those, you know, first eight, nine rounds or so like before I even think about going after another onesie position and just loading up there, dude. So good luck here, Mert. And we did get confirmation. It is merked in the chat. So. I appreciate that, brother. Thanks.

[Derrick Brown]

Backward threes bar and backward threes, I'd say. I told you, man. I'm not that far removed from my, my gamer days.

[Seth Wilcock]

Also saying cream cheese on an English muffin top tier.

[Derrick Brown]

Just right. Yes.

[Seth Wilcock]

I've done it on a bagel. I've never done it on English muffin actually.

[Derrick Brown]

And, and I will say I'll take that to another level if you can. Like, like jalapeno cream cheese. Like the. That is another level, man. Another level.

[Seth Wilcock]

That would be great. That would be great. Last night we, you know, just getting back from the expo earlier this week, we like could, we didn't think about dinner until like 7 o' clock last night. I was like, no, you know, you know, it sounds good. And we had everything to make buffalo chicken dip. So we just like, nice. Just threw everything in the car.

[Derrick Brown]

I thought you were going the Brenner route. Which is exactly what I did on Monday when I got back. Oh yeah, Exposure. We were like, I, I popped open the fridge, I was like, dude, we got nothing.

[Seth Wilcock]

It is.

[Derrick Brown]

Never go wrong with Brenner, baby.

[Seth Wilcock]

No, that, no, that, that is always like the, the, the fail safe, right? Because you usually have eggs, usually can scrape some bread products.

[Derrick Brown]

You got eggs, usually you can find some other type of meat. You know what I mean? Like you can toss together some omelets if you got the bagels, which we always have bagels in the house and stuff, so it's always there, dude.

[Seth Wilcock]

Mason. What's up? Mason, Good to see you today again, man. He's saying start it off with Justin Jefferson McBride in my first two rounds of best ball. Good. You digging that as well?

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, yeah, it's good, man. Definitely digging it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Is Trey McBride, you think like if he doesn't positively regress in, in touchdowns, are you still going to be happy with this season? You think, Derek?

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, dude. I mean, why, why not? I mean like, tell me this, like, were you disappointed? Did you roster him in any leagues last year?

[Seth Wilcock]

I actually had him the year before. I, I, I had him. I picked him off a ton of waivers. I drafted him in a couple Dynasty leagues. I am stashed. I actually really didn't ride with him last year. I, I was way too invested in Harrison Jr. Unfortunately.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean I, I'll put it this way because cross positionally last year and this is where I want to highlight to people like if you're Trey McBride. So last year, even without the touchdowns he performed as just looking at cross positional value. Trey McBride would have been the wide receiver 17 last year in fantasy game and he would have been the RB17. So either way, if you stack this up and this is dude with this dude scoring no touchdowns. So if he scores touchdowns this year, and this is what I keep going back to, Seth, if he scores touchdowns and you were getting him in the third round in some spots, dude, this is where we like again, we will flip over the cards. If he scores touchdowns and produces like this again this year. He could be a guy where we're like, we should have been drafting him round one. And that's why I've been so high on him and I continue to be so high because again, RB17, wide receiver 17. Comparatively the value is still there if you're drafting him at the late second because he's going to go in that wide receiver two, RB2 type of range.

[Seth Wilcock]

No, yeah, yeah. Very, very true. The Brophy first time chatter. Thanks for hanging out with us today here on Twitch tv. Good morning lads. What draft spot do you ideally want in a 12 man half point VR home league redraft Snake? So Derek, good morning to you. Even though it is good morning lads.

[Derrick Brown]

I want to know where Brophy's from. I need the shout out of like give me the pin. What continent? Where, where are we calling in from? I love this.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. What do you think though, Derek? For me? Yeah. Yeah. Like I like the 10 spot. I like the 10 spot. That's my first spot because like I.

[Derrick Brown]

Can get anywhere from. From 8 to 12. Anywhere from 8 to 12 because I want access. And we've talked about this again harping on this, but it's still freaking true. Dude, is that right there around the turn? There's so many guys that are just sitting right there that have first round type of profiles and outlooks to where it's like pick your flavor of those two. Like you could build an RBRB start or wide receiver, wide receiver start or split the difference and go. Balance, build any way you go there really at the turn. There's not a lot of guys that I think you're really going to go wrong with. I mean again, like the four pack of players that I keep harping on. Now CMC is not in this anymore, but Genty Brian Thomas Jr. CMC if he still falls there, like, if you're at the eight spot, I think it's still possible. But Drake, London, dude, like all these guys are sitting right there. Take two of them and enjoy. And no, just to point this out, I'm not worried about Ashton Genti getting minus one rushing yards in his first NFL action. I do not care about that at all.

[Seth Wilcock]

I agree with you. And I'm so upset because in my home league, like I usually do get like 11 or 12 and sometimes I don't like being on the turn, but now I finally got like. And no one will trade out. No one will trade me with it. We, we have that golf scramble ahead of time. Hoping to get people a little bit loosed up and maybe I can. Hey, you want the 4 slot? I'll take.

[Derrick Brown]

Oh, so you're getting people sauced up on the golf course to be like, hey, you want to, want to move the rounds a little bit?

[Seth Wilcock]

Another.

[Derrick Brown]

Would another adult beverage change your mind for us?

[Seth Wilcock]

That's what I did a couple years ago too. I was able to move, move up a spot and jump someone for Justin Jefferson. So before we keep it moving, guys, I did want to remind everyone that the team here at Fantasy Pros, we're taking your questions all week right here on Twitch. Ericson and Tom Straun, they talk best ball Mondays at 4 Eastern also, then at Tuesdays at 7pm Eastern time. We now have Bogs and The Welsh playing Madden 26 live for you, myself and Debro. We're going from the Tuesday and Wednesdays we've been doing to just Wednesdays at 2:00pm Eastern time. And we also have other Q and as on Thursdays and Fridays at 5pm Eastern time, taking you right into your weekend. So go ahead, give us a follow and ask questions live right here on Twitch. And better yet, subscribe. That is a way you can continue to support us. You can connect your Amazon prime account and do that for free. But you do have to continue to re up those each and every month. That is the one thing that Twitch wants to make sure that you're doing. So appreciate y' all hanging out with us. Let's continue on here in the chat. Man. Wow, there are way too many Go Birds. I mean, go Birds.

[Derrick Brown]

Let's go Go Birds.

[Seth Wilcock]

It was like over the weekend, every Jersey I saw I felt like was absolutely an Eagle dude.

[Derrick Brown]

There was so many Eagles fans and I don't know if it's just because they are the loudest fan base. So, like, yeah, when Eagles fans are around There. But Shout out to EroC. Shout out to K List.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

People that are in leagues, that are in our discord, that are freaking fantastic. Shout out to Bam. Bam. That's always in the chat. There's kls. It's like, you say his name.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

And he pops up. I love it, dude. I love it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

I was talking and of course, Mike Mayer. Whatever. Like, nobody cares. Birds fandom.

[Seth Wilcock]

I was talking to KLS right before I left Jose's on Sunday night and was, you know, telling, hey, this is the year to get into college football. And he was actually then took that question and was kind of talking about with Fits and Bogs yesterday on the Discord. So it kind of came full circle.

[Derrick Brown]

So I saw K List on the way out Monday morning, and I was like. I'd poured myself, like, into clothes. Like, I was just like, I'm so tired. I saw him in the lobby, and I was like. I had no voice off. I was like, bye, bye.

[Maria Hinojosa]

See you next year.

[Seth Wilcock]

It was so bad, Mike saying plain potato chips with cream cheese.

[Derrick Brown]

Mayor's not wrong. There's not. Mayor's not wrong about that.

[Seth Wilcock]

Wow.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah.

[Seth Wilcock]

Wow.

[Derrick Brown]

Not wrong.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay. All right. Yeah, we're getting fancy now.

[Derrick Brown]

He's even better. Mayor try.

[Seth Wilcock]

He also last night. So always do that when he's left the fan.

[Derrick Brown]

The real ones. No, the real ones know Seth.

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[Seth Wilcock]

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[Derrick Brown]

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[Derrick Brown]

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[Seth Wilcock]

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[Noah de Barrasso]

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[Maria Hinojosa]

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[Derrick Brown]

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[Seth Wilcock]

Nick in the chat saying, full English breakfast, breakfast for kings. What is a full English breakfast?

[Derrick Brown]

Like?

[Seth Wilcock]

I am. I know I like this up. Yeah, maybe let us know in the chat. Nick, like, what is in your mind a full English breakfast? Like, I think there's probably like, is there blood pudding in there? Blood pudding in there. I love blood pudding.

[Derrick Brown]

It typically includes fried eggs, bacon, sausages, baked beans, grilled tomatoes, mushrooms. Oh, black. Black pudding. Whatever the heck that is.

[Seth Wilcock]

Black pudding. Blood pudding. Yes, yes, yes.

[Derrick Brown]

Okay. So, yes. And then often a side of fried bread or with. With something like tea or coffee to drink. So, I mean, dude, outside of the. The death pudding, I'm totally down with it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Have you ever had the pudding, though?

[Derrick Brown]

I have not. It just sounds. It sounds interesting. But, dude, probably. I mean, dude, I'm from Louisiana. I eat all kind. I've eaten all kinds of stuff in my. In my life. A lot of people be like, really? So I'd probably be down for it.

[Seth Wilcock]

It's like, almost some. I don't know what black pudding is, but I know blood pudding is almost like.

[Derrick Brown]

It's the same thing, I think.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay, it's like a sausage soaked in, like, the pig blood or something. But.

[Derrick Brown]

Yep.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay. Yes. Really, really good, though. I. I have an Irish lad who's my buddy, and every time I'd go visit him, he'd always, Irish lad.

[Derrick Brown]

I love that in there.

[Seth Wilcock]

All right, moving forward here through some more comments, who is the RB to have for the Browns this year? So, Derek, we still have quid shot. Judkins. Not signed. Thought.

[Derrick Brown]

Not gonna like my answer here.

[Seth Wilcock]

Well, who do you think? Because Jerome Ford's getting steamed up ECR right now, and I've kind of been on this Dylan Sampson train. I didn't love him as a prospect, but I think, you know, the Browns signified to me with the drafting of Judkins in the second, Sampson in the fourth, that, hey, maybe Jerome's Ford isn't all we thought he was be. Especially after last year seeing under 200 carries once again.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, my answer is no one. I don't want exposure to this backfill. Dude, I'll be honest with you.

[Seth Wilcock]

Like, you don't really want exposure to the offense as a whole, do you?

[Derrick Brown]

Not really. I mean, dude, the only guy that I'm taking at cost right now, like, I'm not in on Jerry Judy. I am all the way out on Cedric Tillman, David and Joku. Fine. But, like, there's so many other tight ends, and I think that, like, for him to reproduce as a top five tight end is asking too much in the context of that offense. So, honestly, the only guy I'm taking out of that passing attack, to be honest, that cost is Deontay Johnson. Only because I feel like the cost for him is wrong. Because if he'd have stayed on the Carolina Panthers where we'd be drafting him right now. So. But with with this backfield getting back to these running backs, man, it's like if we were to say, okay, we're at week seven, week eight and assuming Judkins is signed and stuff now, how much camp he has missed to this point, like we could easily be staring at a situation for multiple weeks in this backfield on one of the worst offenses in the NFL. SETH where would you be surprised if three running backs were getting touches like Judkins isn't? To a point where he can handle all the early down stuff. He's not trusted on passing downs. He's playing catch up on training camp. Plus the ramp up because you know that like they don't just toss these guys out there with no ramp up at all like asking for a soft tissue injury. So at some point of this week like year we know they're not going to give Jerome ford like a 20 touch workload. They will not do that. They went out and drafted two running backs so they didn't have to do that. So honestly, like if it's negative game script, are we going to see more Samson Like I want to avoid this backfill because this is not a situation where we're expecting a ton of scoring. This is probably going to be a bad team. We're probably going to get multiple quarterbacks, maybe three quarterbacks, plus making starts this season. And this could be a backfield where on many given weeks maybe we're seeing three running backs getting touches in this offense and they're all just cannibalizing each other. Like does that sound like a situation we should be buying in even at cost?

[Seth Wilcock]

Seth no, no, Honestly, not at all. And I think there is a really good chance that the Browns are destined to be potentially the first overall pick next year. Like that is where this could be heading. So I don't hate that take at all. So who's the running back to have for the Browns this year? Derek is telling us nobody.

[Derrick Brown]

No one. No one.

[Seth Wilcock]

Bam. Bam. Saying last night did some rice in the rice cooker, finished off some butter, splash of soy sauce. Simple and delicious. Oh, do you have a rice cooker? Derek I do not have a rice cooker.

[Derrick Brown]

I don't have a rice cooker. But dude, I'm, I'm either. I go with the little like cups of rice you can nuke or something like that around. I'm a big. Because we don't have a rice cooker and I just honestly don't have Time for it. So we're a big boil in the bag kind of family. Very much so. Or I get the little small cups that I can nuke, like if I'm just making like chicken and rice for myself, like real fast as lunch or dinner or something like that. So.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay. All right.

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah. Bam.

[Seth Wilcock]

Bam.

[Derrick Brown]

I don't hate it. I, I will question like, yeah, bro, like, toss some chicken up in there. Something else. Like you need some extra protein.

[Seth Wilcock]

Hey, hey, hey, man. He's just, you know, keeping it light for the night. Keeping it light for the night. I appreciate that. Also, the Brophy make let us know that he's out in Seattle actually. So I guess it is still morning in Seattle. I kind of forgot that we still have a, A, yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Pacific time is made up. It's kind of like mountain. It's, it's all made up.

[Seth Wilcock]

I, I, I, I remember the one time I was in Pacific time and I did not like it. It felt weird and wrong to me, to be honest with you. And then Mike Mayer let us know too in the chat. We recently did some research here at Fantasy Pros that said there's a significant drop off after the 6 overall pick in league win probability this year. And that is the one point that I would say, Derek, is that like most traditionally you usually do want a top six pick. And that research has been proven, including here. Fp. So what's your opinion on, on what? You know, the, the smack that mayor is laying down here. Does that change your opinion, all that? The, the facts are the facts, brother.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean, not, not a ton because I mean the reason that that holds true in a lot of different seasons, and I'm not disputing it, is because those top end picks, that's where you find the league difference makers. I mean a lot of that were, I mean because you have just had players that just absolutely crush like Jamar Chase last year, CMC in so many different years. But we also have, I think the, I think a lot of the top tier of those running backs. Like I have a tier of like five guys at the top of the running back position that I'll like that any one of them I think could be the RB one overall this year. And some of those guys are going more middle or later the round like Christian McCaffrey and the same thing with the wide receiver. Like so like while the easy favorite, I think a lot of, like a lot of that data is heavily, not heavily, but is decently influenced by a lot of Christian McCaffrey. A lot of Guys that have been just absolute difference makers and just have like, I mean if you've been like cheat codes, if you've had the 101 or the 102 or even the 103 in a lot of years. So like I don't dispute it, but I, I guess giving some context to.

[Seth Wilcock]

That before we keep going, I just wanted to shout out again everyone who's tuning in live with us on Fancy Pros Twitch account. We really, really appreciate it. Make sure you please follow us or better yet, subscribe to help support the channel and you'll never miss a Q and A. You can do so for free with that Amazon prime account subscribers, they get access to our custom emotes and an ad free experience. We'll be right back here again later this week. We, we got 5pm eastern shows on Thursday and Friday so make sure you guys are coming to check us out here right here at Twitch tv. Fancy Pros help support us. We appreciate it and let's keep it moving. Once again, when you do your drafts, how many players do you have in your stack generally? So Derek, is there like a line of demarcation for you where it's like, hey, I'm not going to draft another Bengals player, I'm not going to draft another Colts player. Like I know we want to be connected to good offense and so I know it kind of varies on the offense, but how can you help our guy Nick out here?

[Derrick Brown]

I mean I'm usually not drafting more than like, I mean if it's skill players, like I'm usually not drafting more than one player from an offense. Well, I say like two players from an offense only because I feel like at that point you get above the two player mark, you're asking for a lot more to go right? Like the offense in this. And again, this is all like in a vacuum like this. Now this kind of gets like a little bit more squirrely. Like when you talk about middle or later round players and am I willing to take like maybe drafting three players from an offense considering like two of them? Like I'm probably investing like top six round, top seven round kind of capital in and maybe taking a shot on a guy like later. Right. I don't have problems doing that. But like saying I'm not going to draft usually three players from the same offense all like within the top five rounds, like investing that much high draft?

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Now am I against it? Not necessarily. It kind of depends on how your draft goes. Right. Like would I shy away from saying Raphael to you where say T. Higgins falls to you and you had like the 101 pick or something. Would I shy away from if T falls and burrow falls in adp, like at a discount or something like that, Would I shy away from going chase T.M. burrow in a draft? Not necessarily so really, it all depends on context. But I'd say in a vacuum like the early rounds, like those top like five, six rounds. I'm usually not investing in more than like two players in an office.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Maybe taking a shot on a guy later. But I mean Seth, are you differing that at all?

[Seth Wilcock]

No, not really. I mean I think I touched on it last week in a stream that there, there was a league where I took Jonathan Taylor at the 1, 2 turn and then a 34 turn. I came back and got Michael Pittman Jr. And that was just a disaster of a squad, honestly. But I, I think at the same time it depends what offense you're investing in. Right. If you're, if you're investing. Yeah. If you're investing in the Eagles or the Bengals, someone, the, the Buffalo Bills, even someone we know who has elite upside, I'm very, very okay with it, but I'm not going out of my way to do it. I think you said it very well. Awesome. Dev. Hey guys. When I'm mock drafting, I sometimes find it difficult to draft a player. I really like these too far down the board or in the next tier. How do you get past this sort of hold up when drafting? So Derek, I think you're a great example because you always say like say it with your chest. Right. You know, and you're drafting often reflects that. So how do you kind of overcome the adp, the rankings that you're using in platform and you, you aren't afraid to go out on a limb and go get your guys.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean, screw adp. It's a false construct. It's, it's, it's echo chamber at its finest. And this isn't like I'm not telling you to take a fifth round guy in the second round. I'm not telling you to take a six round guy in the first round. I'm not telling you to do things that are wildly aggressive and irresponsible. But like when, for example, like when you get into that mid wide receiver 2 range and like there's guys that I don't want anything to do with this year. I don't, I'm not really heavily invested in Marvin Harrison Jr. Or Tyreek Hill. Like when I get to those point in the draft. Like, am I more likely to press the button on a George Pickens or a Tedro McMillan where they go, maybe depending on your room, around and a half later? No, I'm not batting an eye, dude. Because again, if you're doing all the homework and you're either you have your own process for how you're drafting, or you're melding your process with. With people that you trust, they're doing their work, whether that's me, Pat Erickson, Joe, any, anybody. And you trust that, and you come away with, like, these are the guys that I am strong about.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yep.

[Derrick Brown]

Then get them. Like, screw adp. Get your freaking guys. Because there's nothing worse than, like, you saying, oh, well, I was hoping I could have gotten Pickens, like, two rounds later or a round later, and I should have drafted him because, you know, he was the best guy on the board, or I was worried about a running back or I was worried about filling out my starting lineup. So I reached on a tight end, but Pickens was the best guy on the board. Like, nah, man. Like, don't play those games. Because there is nothing worse than watching a player that you were high on, you wished, and you should have drafted, but you thought you could have gotten later. And then you watch him do all the things you thought he was going to do during the season. He smashes, and, like, that's where it comes down to drafting in tears and saying, I have this guy at the top of the tier where consensus has this guy at the bottom of a tier.

[Seth Wilcock]

Right.

[Derrick Brown]

I'm gonna. Like, exactly. Like, I'm drafting RJ Harvey this year, and I'm standing with my chest like. But, like, when you get into those RB2 ranges and you're like, dude, I want nothing to do with Aaron Jones. I want nothing. This guy, I want nothing to do with these. These other RB2s. Like, then draft the guy you want. And, I mean, again, this goes back to drafting. Like, you're right and you're correct. And doing that in a. A responsible and thoughtful. Yes, you. Yet you can be aggressive type of manner, if that all kind of makes sense.

[Seth Wilcock]

No. 100. I remember last year, I was all in on JSN. I had him in a ton of leagues, and in my home league, I was like, okay, I. I think I can get JSN the next time he comes around. And I waited, and he went one pick before me, and I almost burned the house down. I mean, that's.

[Derrick Brown]

And there's no way, Dev, to getting this question in probably somewhere on. On a luxurious beach or a yacht somewhere. Drop it in here. Are you on a catamaran in the Caribbean right now? What's that look like?

[Seth Wilcock]

Is Dev a world traveler? Is that what I'm hearing here?

[Derrick Brown]

Globe traveler, globe travel. We all should be living our best life like Dev right now.

[Seth Wilcock]

Fantasy pros retreat on Dev's yacht. Is that what I'm hearing? Is that what I'm hearing?

[Derrick Brown]

He's gonna let me, Deb. He said it on me.

[Seth Wilcock]

Gonna scoot. Come scoop us, dad. We appreciate you, brother. Very, very interesting question here from Exia Divine. Should I draft Judkins at the 201 if he drops in my rookie draft? Let us know if this is Super Flex or not. I would like to hear that. But Derek, where are we right now from a Dynasty lens with Judkins? There's rumors that he might be head back to the NFL draft. It's too late for him to head back to college, but what are we doing here with Judkins? Because the 201 to me feels too rich when there's guys.

[Derrick Brown]

Like I'm letting somebody else fall on that landmine. I'm just going to say it. I was not in on him as a prospect. I was much lower than consensus throughout the entirety of the draft process. And now with everything that we know, the off the field stuff, Andy hasn't even signed his freaking contract. It's like all of this is already muddying the water at 201. No, thank you. Now if you still want to be in on Judkins, that's fine, but I don't want to take him at the 201. Like, no, I'm more likely to trade back and you get more equity if. If Judkins is a target for you and then you watch him slip down the board a little bit and what did I say? What did I say? Seth? Awesome. Deb. Throwing it in the chat. Back from Italy, baby. What did I say? Globe traveler, world renown. Awesome. Awesome. Dev.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, no, I, I respect that. And like for me, I really feel the same way, dude, that, like, I, I mean you and I were lower on Judkins coming in, that even the 201 felt a little bit rich form then and like now we're at the point where, hey, Matthew golden might be around there. Jane Higgins, Cam Scatter, Boo. Like Colston Loveland, even potentially. Like, I just can't get there. I can't get there.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean, dude, I had him at the 203 in Super Flex without any of that stuff.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

Now we know now. Dude, it's like I'm dropping him. Probably.

[Seth Wilcock]

Probably taking tooting over him, right?

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, I'm taking tooting. I'm probably even taking Jarquez, Hunter or Cam Scatter. Boo. Like, I'm dropping into the back end of the second round, dude. Because we're doing it right now live.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. I mean, we don't know. We don't know if he's going to play this year and when he does get signed to a team.

[Derrick Brown]

Well, we just talked about the Browns backfield. Like, it's gonna be a mess. Like, yeah, you're. If he was a guy you were expecting and like early production, especially in this rookie season, hasn't a lot of that been blown up? Like, in the best case of circumstances, you're hoping he fires and gets the workhorse, like, workload like down the back half of the season. Because it's not going to happen in the beginning of the season. It's probably not going to happen even until the middle of the season because he hasn't even been in freaking training camp, people.

[Seth Wilcock]

Right.

[Derrick Brown]

Like, so, like, right. He's got to learn the playbook, catch up on everything, build familiarity, continuity, and climb the depth chart. And that's all going to take time. Even talking outside of the physical ramp up of there is a difference of being in gym shape and being in football shape for games.

[Seth Wilcock]

All right. But before we get some rapid fire to round out the program, I did want to let everyone know that you should be getting ready for the ultimate fancy football event. Yes, it's the Fancy Fantasy Pros Fantasy Fest coming back for you. Join us live on YouTube Tuesday, August 19th at 2pm Eastern Time for five hours of rankings, sleepers and top experts like JJ Zacharison. We also have Andy Barrons among many, many others coming on the program. And when it ends, well, the party's gonna keep going here on Twitch, baby. And catch Welsh and Bogman playing Madden 26 live Tuesday at 7pm Eastern Time right here on Twitch TV. Fantasy Pro. So very fun. Excited for that fest, Eric. That's going to be a lot of fun. It's always fun to catch up with different people in the industry and, you know, do a little potathon with the boys.

[Derrick Brown]

Yes, sir. It's got. It's always a. A blast. I mean, so many people that we got to catch up with and see at the expo and stuff. And our favorites, like a lot of our favorites in the industry and a lot of good talk, man. So. And correct me if I'm wrong like Cali Seth. Anybody throw this in the chat? I want to say we already have. Like do we have it already live or where people just go sub to the YouTube and get ready like basically hit the notifications like when this go live. I could be wrong on that but guys, let me know if I am.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, yeah, let us. Let us know on that. But either way, easiest way to so you don't miss anything, go ring the bell on YouTube. Right? I mean you're gonna, you're gonna know when we're going live every single time. So let's keep it moving here. Just give, give me one word on a couple these Derek. But Alex, he is in a dynasty super Flex startup tight end premium full PPR pick an 8th and I'm hesitating between Jalen Hurts or a wide receiver like CD or neighbors. For me it's her. Sarah, he's still in that top qb.

[Derrick Brown]

If it's in Super Flex, I'm going qb. If you're able to get another guy like if you're able to get a guy that that's gonna go like he's in that elite tier. Quarterbacks. Yes, it's qb. It's not even close. Like Hertz is my, I mean Hertz is my 9th overall player so like yeah, he should be there available around.

[Seth Wilcock]

There and Seth is letting us know in the back and if you hit that bell on YouTube it will notify you that the fancy fest is live. So yes. Good work by the team over there. Speaking of Super Flex, start 3 wide receiver league 12 team format here for our guy Sav. For our guy Sav saying Jefferson and Mahomes for Lamar and Saint Brown. My other wide receivers are Puka neighbors Brian Thomas, Adams and Waddle. So absolutely stacked at the wide receiver position. Would you take a downgrade from Jefferson to St. Brown to get Lamar over Mahomes?

[Derrick Brown]

Yeah, because if you're looking at just just mash up the points per game for both of those guys, you're probably not losing a ton of points per game going from Jefferson to same Brown, but you're going to gain a ton of points going from Mahomes to Lamar. Like we're talking about like you're probably gaining a good like four fantasy points per game right in the process. And so you're really evaluating is the gap between Jefferson and St. Brown going to be high enough to where that's not a move that you want to make. And so I mean where do you sit on it, Seth? Like I, I would do that and I would take the little Mars side and Super Flex.

[Seth Wilcock]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, and, and then your, your wide receivers are still Puka Neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr. And St. Brown. That is insane. Like, you're not even starting Adams and Waddle. So I, I, I would, I would, I would do that. I think that's, and I mean, you're.

[Derrick Brown]

Looking at a similar range. Like Amon Ra has been at that. Like, where has he been like the last few years? So 16.7, 20.7, 18.6. Jefferson has been hovering around like anywhere from 18 to 20. Right. So you're really giving up like two to about two and a half fantasy points per game and the move from Jefferson to same Brown possibly, but really in the aggregate between these and that's how you need to look at it. In your starting lineup, you're probably gaining like three to four fantasy points in total. So even if you look at it that way, you're still probably, it's a net gain for you to get the Lamar side.

[Seth Wilcock]

Right. Right. Agreed with you there.

[Derrick Brown]

And he's still stacked a wide receiver, so like you're still going to make it up. And a lot of these other guys, like, he's still absolutely flush at wide receiver. So even the, the move down from Jefferson to saying Brown isn't going to hurt him at all.

[Seth Wilcock]

Nick let us know that 7pm out where he is in Beverly, Yorkshire, near the original. So yeah, that's cool. That's good to know, man.

[Derrick Brown]

We got York checking in. We got people coming back from Italy, like worldwide.

[Seth Wilcock]

Seth, wow.

[Derrick Brown]

Getting big, baby.

[Seth Wilcock]

Maybe, maybe the first Fantasy Pros Live event. Maybe it happens overseas. You never know. You never know.

[Derrick Brown]

Somewhere nice, man. At least somewhere nice.

[Seth Wilcock]

We're going international. We're going international.

[Derrick Brown]

I don't necessarily need, you know, the, the beach and the sun time and stuff like that, but you know, I do a occasionally like to sit on the beach, but very much in the shade.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes. If you're picking towards the end of the draft and you're using tears, do you take the last guy in a tier above or take two from the same tier?

[Derrick Brown]

So I mean, it depends, depends on the draft. It depends on like how you're setting up your tears. I mean, in a vacuum, you're taking the last guy of the, the top tier and then the top guy of the next tier. You know, I mean, that's, yeah, that's how you have your tier set up.

[Seth Wilcock]

And you're shooting for upside. You're shooting for upside. Right. Like, I, I, I heard Last week. Say it. Great. Like if someone doesn't have like top 30 upside, why are we even having them on our roster? Right? Like, like we don't need to go out and draft guys like Rashad Bateman who like that is his ceiling, right? So no, I don't, I don't want.

[Derrick Brown]

To draft a ton of guys. Like it's either you hit or you don't. And you're either helping me win a league or you don't. And it's like, because, dude, the middle of the season you can find some random schmo to sit here and fill a flex, like whether the matchup is awesome that week and like your touchdown hunting and stuff like that. So like all those flex worthy players, like, you know, we know that like players like maybe Tory Horton is going to have a pop off week. Dante Thornton Jr. Is going to have a pop off week. Like you can get guys like even off of waivers in the middle of the season to like maybe have a ceiling spike week from a flex. Like we care about the guys that are going to be difference makers in the leagues and you're shooting for that.

[Seth Wilcock]

Upside thoughts? Miss saying he's out in LA. If you're ever here, y' all are getting some beers. 100, yo. Make sure wherever we go, prime that they got some bush light on draft. That's all I asked for. Got to run bush light all weekend. Every bar. Bush light.

[Derrick Brown]

He started handing hand and bush lights to me like I was sitting down. No lie, everyone. I'm sitting down at George's at the bar and Seth comes over behind me and he goes, oh, I. I think you misplaced this. This must be yours. And sit Santa Bush light in front of me. And I was like, what is this swill? I don't want this.

[Seth Wilcock]

That's all right.

[Derrick Brown]

I think you got the wrong person.

[Seth Wilcock]

Just one more for the collection, baby. It's all right, Garrett. Derek doesn't accept my gifts.

[Derrick Brown]

I love how you play.

[Seth Wilcock]

Favorite handcuffs this season from our guy Fant Fumble Weekly. Oh, that's a good name. I like that one as well. I've lost fancy matchups due to late fumbles, so I can relate to that. For me, Derek, I am not leaving a draft if Isaac Garendo is sitting around there just for the off chance I'm drafting him. I'm drafting a ton of Bay Shaw too. Not because I see him as a handcuff, but more as like a interchangeable part in a big and biguous backfield. And I was drafting a lot of Ray Davis until the news today. So anyone you would kind of add to that list here for a guy fantasy Fumble Weekly.

[Derrick Brown]

I mean the guys that are going to go in that handcuffy type tier, Jordan Mason will be drafted somewhere around there. Tank Bigsby. So guys that can have like standalone value. True handcuffs though like Basal Toot and Cam Scaboo guys. And I mean I think the thing with, with with handcuffs that we need to be looking at are the clear situations that we know if a guy goes down who's going to be the primary ball carrier. Like Tyler Algier is going to go super freaking late. If anything were to happen to Bijan, you know who is getting the freaking ball on a weekly basis. Dude. So like him, I have no problem with the Ray Davis call D. But I guess like the true handcuffs, Tyler Algier, DJ Giddens, Jalen Wright. Yeah, I look at all of those guys and you could throw Ray Davis and even Jacori Koski Meritage conversation. Yes. We could be staring at summer of.

[Seth Wilcock]

Bill summer Bill baby. Apart from injury, which top tier player could bust? Oh, oh.

[Derrick Brown]

I really like, you know my Chiron hate. So yeah, Williams. Like I think, I think Jarquez Hunter is going to be involved in this backfield. I do not care about the contract. I still think that that is fully going to happen. Breeze hall, if this truly is a two to three way committee. Dude, like I'm so. I'm not saying that it should be. I'm not saying that it should be but I'm saying that it could happen.

[Seth Wilcock]

Chad's coaching staff, man, just like, yeah, he's a beast. Yeah. But Jonathan Taylor, for me, I. I am 20.

[Derrick Brown]

With you on that one. Chuba Hubbard, a guy that I think we're looking at wrong falsely like. Yep, let's say bust because people are going to take Chuba Hubbard and I think in a lot of aspects they're going to say, I mean he's. He's gonna be the guy that he was last year. Right. Like we're looking at like I'm getting an RB1 and RB2 prices. But I, I'm telling you man, Rico Dowdle and Trevor into that backfield.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yep, I agree. I just moved him down the other day. I just moved him down because I'm really afraid of them a little bit.

[Derrick Brown]

Some other guys that I'll. I'll toss into here again. Tyree Kill do not want to be drafting him. You know my thoughts on DK Metcalf and an Arthur Smith offense. Marvin Harrison Jr. Only because. And I say bust.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes.

[Derrick Brown]

This dude is being drafted as a wide receiver too. Yeah, that entire freaking offense changed over one year. Right where it's like, did we not learn this from last year? It's like we all drafted him as a top 15 wide receiver last year. Nothing has changed in this offense. Like, I'm fine with taking him as a wide receiver three, but he's not going to go there, dude. So, yes, like where. And again, a bust is being categorized as the. The expected production you're expecting out of where that guy is being drafted and how he's fitting into your team versus the reality of what you're probably going to get out of him and throughout the season. So like, yeah, if you're drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. As a wide receiver too, get ready for pain. Also, if you're drafting Zay Flowers as a wide receiver too, get ready for Payne because he's been a wide receiver three in each of the last two freaking years. Like what we gotta learn, man. People gotta learn.

[Seth Wilcock]

Last question. We'll wrap up with a fun one here from Bam Bam Branson, who is the MVP of your first league winning team. Mine was LP in 2006. 1800 yards, 28rds. Absolute God for me, Derek. I remember it very vividly. It was Michael Vick on his return with the Eagles and also Peyton Hillis, another guy who, who's been forgotten about. But he's. He. He saved, he saves lives. He was on the man cover. So. Peyton Hill is always in the heart, baby. What about you? Do you remember yours?

[Derrick Brown]

Jimmy Graham.

[Seth Wilcock]

Oh, okay.

[Derrick Brown]

In his breakout season, Jamal Charles over a number of seasons. I'm trying to think of. Of another one here. It's. It's definitively both one of those two guys. I'd say, dude, I had so much Jimmy Graham when he blew up in. In his like the first year, he like just absolutely crushed.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derrick Brown]

And I was. I remember I had a team where I was rocking Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham and I was just playing one of those guys in the flex and just mauling people. It was wondrous.

[Seth Wilcock]

World renowned traveler Jimmy Graham. So maybe even Dev can pick up some time out there. Derek, thanks so much for hanging out with us, man. Thank you everyone in the chat for hanging out with us. As always. Easiest way to support the channel, please hit that subscribe button. Every sub helps us bring you more interactive content throughout the rest of the year. That is going to do it for us on this fans Football Q A live on Twitch TV. Fancy pros. We're gonna have some more Q&As coming your way later this week, tomorrow and Friday. Not sure which slew of hosts and analysts will have over there, but I always know it's a delight right here on Fantasy Pros. And make sure you guys are taking care of yourself. Have a great rest of your day. For Derrick Brown, I'm Seth Wilcock. Thank you. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast. If you love the show, the best free way to support us is by leaving a positive review on apple [e-mail] review or on Spotify. Follow us on X, Instagram and TikTok at Fantasy Pros and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube.com fantasypros get fired up, y'. All.

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