FantasyPros - The Extra Point: Playoff Sit/Start Decisions and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1910)

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd (FantasyPros - The Extra Point: Playoff Sit/Start Decisions and Chat Q&A, Ep. 1910)

Date: December 21, 2025
Host: Chris Welsh & Andrew Erickson

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Episode Overview

This episode of "FantasyPros – The Extra Point" focuses on critical playoff sit/start decisions for fantasy football managers heading into the semifinals. Hosts Chris Welsh and Andrew Erickson engage directly with their Discord community, fielding live questions on tough lineup choices, injury updates, and streaming options. The discussion is practical, data-driven, and lively, featuring real-world dilemmas from managers with championship aspirations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Quarterback Decisions and Rankings

• Jackson Dart vs. Shuck (Streamer QB debate)

  • Both hosts prefer Dart due to his rushing upside and recent performance, despite a tough Minnesota matchup.
    • Welsh: "Dart, regardless of proto or not, he keeps running and he had like 60+ rushing yards and he has a lot of equity there." (03:39)
    • Erickson: "Darts 15 and Chuck is 19 [in my rankings]. So rolling with the dart." (04:03)

• Upside at QB for Playoffs

  • For high-upside plays, both lean established passers (Burrow, Dak) over riskier names like JJ McCarthy, unless truly desperate.
    • Welsh: "I'd still go Dak because I have zero trust in JJ McCarthy." (17:38)
    • Erickson: "I'm gonna play the guy that is good at quarterback." (17:44)

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2. Running Back Debates

• RJ Harvey vs. Dowdle/Carter/DJ Moore (Flex)

  • Harvey gets the nod as the most versatile and safest play, even against tough defenses, due to his three-down role and pass-catching.
    • Erickson: "He could score a rushing touchdown and he catches passes. So...if he's catching passes out of the backfield, then it doesn't matter how good the Jags are at stopping running backs on the ground." (04:52)

• Estime vs. Mason

  • Mason's matchup and likely usage edges out the volatile Estime:
    • Welsh: "I think I might go Mason if I'm being honest with you, just because I love the matchup and the usage. I'm not sure is estimate gonna get 20 carries." (18:01)
    • Erickson: Skeptical, reminding listeners of Estime's boom/bust nature: "Back to last year, right? You were the one that rained on everyone's estimate parade… He was terrible." (18:16)

• Hampton vs. Harvey

  • Preference is given to Harvey due to volume and injury concerns with the competition, unless key defensive injuries improve Hampton's matchup.
    • Erickson: "The Dallas defense doesn't become nearly as much as a pushover if Quentin Williams is playing...maybe I would have to move Hampton down a couple spots." (31:28)

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3. Wide Receiver Conundrums

• Justin Jefferson vs. T. Higgins

  • T. Higgins preferred, citing Jefferson's lack of production and struggles with his current quarterback, but emphasizes monitoring practice/injury status.
    • Welsh: "I have so little trust in Jefferson, it's not funny." (08:10)
    • Erickson: "It's T. Higgins. If he plays, you're playing T. Higgins. He has a dramatically, significantly higher ceiling." (08:23)

• Michael Wilson if Marvin Harrison Jr. is active?

  • Michael Wilson’s production is highly dependent on Marvin Harrison Jr.’s status—he becomes an afterthought when Harrison plays.
    • Erickson: "When he's on the field, Michael Wilson doesn't get targeted. It seems preposterous considering how good Michael Wilson has been...but it's just not the way this offense has operated." (23:08, 34:16)

• London, McConkey, T. Mac, Evans, Devonta Smith, etc.

  • Health determines most decisions, but Evans is a near-autolock. In uncertain WR rooms, upside and recent usage are the tie-breakers.
  • If Marvin Harrison Jr. plays, Michael Wilson drops out of consideration in most cases.

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4. Tight End Streaming & Rankings

• Schultz vs. Waller/Loveland/Strange/Ferguson

  • Schultz has the highest floor and is the most trusted in the group, despite his dependency on touchdowns.
    • Erickson: "Schultz is my highest ranked guy too. He's had a solid floor most weeks and the last week he popped off..." (12:43, 16:34)

• Loveland as a Fantasy Playoff Sleeper

  • Emerging as a high-upside streamer with additional targets due to injuries around him.
    • Erickson: "Loveland is super talented. If you look at Loveland's box scores...the minute that one guy misses, he just blows up." (48:23)
    • Welsh: "Loveland, I think those two [with Parkinson] are super close [for week 17]." (51:26)

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5. General Playoff Strategy & Injury Considerations

• Start Your Studs vs. Trust Recent Trends

  • There's significant skepticism around "must-start" big names who have underperformed (Jefferson, DJ Moore).
  • Consistent echoes to monitor practices and injuries, especially with teams out of playoff contention.

• Flex and Defensive Choices

  • Flex ranking is contextual, often focusing on who has the greatest touchdown equity in standard leagues.
  • Top defense picks for the week: Chiefs, Eagles, Saints.

• Low Floor, High Ceiling Situations

  • Hosts encourage weighing need for upside (if projected as an underdog) versus taking the safer, higher-floor play.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Justin Jefferson’s Season:
  Welsh (08:12): “Justin Jefferson has 37 yards combined the last three weeks? ... I have so little trust in Jefferson, it's not funny.”
  Erickson (38:42): “He's a buy-low candidate... [What] Justin Jefferson is going through is the classic case of rookie quarterbacks are traditionally bad for their fantasy wide receivers.”

• On Michael Wilson’s Role:
  Erickson (23:08): “We have a pretty large sample size of Marvin Harrison Jr. being active and Michael Wilson just being a ghost.”

• On Loveland as a Breakout TE:
  Erickson (49:05): “Loveland is super talented... if you look at his box scores, the minute that one guy misses, he just blows up… this could be a big game for him.”

• On Playoff Stress:
  Welsh (46:03): “I love when everyone asks, like, now it's the playoffs, ‘which defense, which kicker?’ Haven't asked these questions all year long, but now I'm like, I need to know the exact defense.”

• Humorous Interlude – Buy, Hold, Sell: Grinch, Rudolph, Frosty
  Welsh (43:38): “I'm gonna buy the Grinch, hold Frosty, and get rid of Rudolph. Rudolph's trash.”
  Erickson (44:13): “What does [Frosty] have to even do with holidays? He's just a snowman that comes to life for a day. What is his birthday?”
  Welsh (44:18): “What does a deer have to do with holidays?”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro, playoff set-up and community details – 00:26–02:26
• QB streaming debates (Dart, Brissette, etc.) – 03:18–04:14
• First round of RB/WR sit/start dilemmas – 04:32–09:14
• T. Higgins vs. Justin Jefferson/WR decisions – 08:10–09:14
• Diving into injury fallout at WR (Marvin Harrison Jr., Michael Wilson) – 10:43–23:16
• TE streaming debate: Schultz, Waller, Loveland, Ferguson – 12:37–16:34, revisit at 48:05–49:19
• QB Upside: Dak, Burrow, McCarthy, projections – 17:10–17:48
• RB debates: Estime, Mason, Hampton, Harvey – 17:53–32:20
• WR pecking order (Evans, London, McConkey, etc.) – 21:47–23:23
• Jefferson narrative, wideout ceilings and floors – 37:00–41:48
• Semifinal defense streaming picks – 45:40–46:27
• Streamers and playoff desperation moves (TE, flex, RB) – 47:24–56:15
• Closing playoff thoughts, Discord/plugs – 62:13–63:32

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Summary

For fantasy football managers in the playoff hunt, this episode delivers actionable, highly specific sit/start advice anchored by in-season trends, injury outlooks, and player usage. Welsh and Erickson talk directly with the community, bring humor amid the stress, and never shy away from tough calls—especially on formerly “automatic” starters who have become headaches (like Justin Jefferson). Emerging streamers (especially Loveland at TE) and nuanced upside/floor considerations dominate the conversation. Listeners get a blend of tactical fantasy guidance and the kind of locker-room banter that keeps December football lively.

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Transcript

[Chris Welsh]

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[Andrew Erickson]

They see us.

[Chris Welsh]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company affiliates excludes Massachusetts. Hello, friends, and welcome in. This is the extra point right here on Fantasy Pros, the fantasy football podcast. I'm Chris Welsh, that is Andrew Erickson, and I believe we're here for the final time in the regular season because it's Christmas next week, but we are here for your semifinals matchup and we are here with our audience, our live audience on our fantasy pros discord, which you could be a part of because just because the regular season's over doesn't mean that the extra point's not going to be back. And it doesn't mean that we don't have a lot of other incredibly great offerings. Go to fantasypros.com chat Sign up today. You can be a part of the community. We've got tons of rooms where people are just talking through anything in sports. Plus we've got these AMAs, and they can be podcasts. You never know what the new year is going to have in store, so be a part of the community. Don't miss anything. Another great feature, by the way, is we put all the events that are going on, like we have a YouTube over here, we've got a twitch over here, and we put those notifications in Twitch or in the Discord. So it's another way to kind of know what's going on in the fantasy Pros world. So go to fantasypros.com chat Sign up today and you can come and talk with us, me and Andrew Erickson. What's up, buddy?

[Andrew Erickson]

What's up? Welsh semifinals this week. Hopefully we can help the people point them in the right direction. Wish we had Derek Brown on the show because that way we ask him all the questions because he was number one in the rankings last week.

[Chris Welsh]

So we do the bit on Saturday Night Live. Did you ever see it with Chris Farley where He's interviewing Paul McCartney's like, you remember when you're on the Beatles, that was awesome. And we'd just be like, hey, Derek, remember when you ranked, like, really good? It was awesome. Who would you rank this week? Do it again. Who would you rank?

[Andrew Erickson]

Awesome. If you could just do that for the next two weeks in a row, that would be cool and awesome.

[Chris Welsh]

Be pretty, pretty sweet. It would be. Shout out to dbro again, number one in the ranks. I had to send him a text. I know he's not going to be like, oh, yes, bring it. But he's gotta love it a little bit. Give him that love. He deserves that love and you guys deserve that love. And that is why this show is designed around literally talking to you guys. So we're not just like taking your questions, which we do do in like the twitch and the YouTube shows, but we are going to speak to you. So bring us your non Thursday Night Football based fantasy questions for the semifinals because I know there are some big ones. Hopefully this is also coming off of the Ranks episodes that we did that Erickson, myself and Fitzy did. We will do our best to hook you up. Let's start talking with the people though. Let's get right into it, my friends with Bryce. Sarah Topps, first up on the show for the semifinals. What's up, Bryce?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, can you guys hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

We got you, man.

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, so I have a couple questions. First. I don't Minnesota matchup kind of scares me. Would you guys roll with dart? Or I could also grab.

[Chris Welsh]

Who is the last one you faded?

[Andrew Erickson]

Shuck.

[Chris Welsh]

Shuck is a pretty popular streamer and I'm actually down for the streaming, but not for dart. I don't. I agree with you on the matchup side, but dart, regardless of proto or not, he keeps running and he had like 60 plus rushing yards and he has a lot of equity there. So I'm personally still going dart. But they are closer in ranks. I want to say ECR is like 15 on Dart and Chuck is maybe 20. Erickson, what do you think?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yep, that's how I have it too. Darts 15 and Chuck is 19. So rolling with the dart.

[Chris Welsh]

We're darting it. Let's. What do you got for two?

[Andrew Erickson]

So the second one, I got my first running back, but I still need to pick another one of my flex. And my choices are Dowdle, Harvey Carter and DJ Moore.

[Chris Welsh]

Was that the last question, Bryce, or is there another?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yes.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, I'm sorry, just to bring off the stage there, I want to say RJ Harvey. Do you want to say RJ Harvey? Will you roll with me? Okay.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yep. Three down skill set. I believe he practiced in full on Wednesday.

[Chris Welsh]

That's huge.

[Andrew Erickson]

Rib injury. Doesn't seem like it's going to be like super impeding to his type of production. And I just want to put the context behind. Yes, it is a tough match against the Jaguars, but the Broncos aren't. They're going to score points in some way, some form. So he gets going opportunities. He could score a rushing touchdown and he catches passes. So that doesn't even really affect him when it comes to the Jaguars being really tough against running backs as rushers. If he's catching passes out of the backfield, then it doesn't matter how good the Jags are at stopping running backs on the ground. So I think Harvey has the best ceiling floor combination of these guys. We talked about that all on the ranking show. He doesn't have a great matchup against the Bucs. Really good against the run and it's.

[Chris Welsh]

Like very touchdown equity on undoubtedle.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yep. And I, I think that you just who has better chance of scoring a touchdown this week, Dowdle or Harvey? Right. I think it's pretty close. Maybe even lean Harvey because he's evolved through all phases. DJ Moore is like, which one are you going to get right? Yeah, the one that again we've seen two weeks without a Dunes again. Luther Burden probably not going to play. So I think that makes the DJ more. A little bit more viable. Still packers, you know, I would just roll with Harvey.

[Chris Welsh]

I would too. DJ Moore is very fluky to me. Not bad options by the way. I could stomach going with Rico, but RJ Harvey was the. He was the player.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think he's ranked highest too.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think he's like 19, white gamer, premium member of the Fantasy Bros. Discord. Sup?

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

What's up guys? How you doing?

[Chris Welsh]

What up, dude? We're doing good. How you doing?

[Andrew Erickson]

Good.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Good. I got. I got a few questions. First question I want to ask you guys. This one's pretty, pretty small. I have Higgins on my I.R. t. Higgins and I want to pull him back in because I think he's. I think he could be starting now my lineup, I have Jefferson Evans and Joanne Jennings in there and I was.

[Chris Welsh]

Wondering, I know where this is going.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Should I sit any of them for to add Higgins back? Because I don't think I'm going to start Reed Godwin or Pittman this week.

[Chris Welsh]

So here's the real question. He's saying, do I bench Justin Jefferson for T. Higgins? Justin, Jeff, me and Bogman cannot stop fighting about Justin Jefferson. I refuse to stop fighting. And you know, as he pointed out, I ain't dude. Erickson. Bogman was like, he literally copy and repeated the last two weeks of what you said about Jefferson and I get it, and he's just like, he's got to do it. Da, da, da. And it's like that's what we've said every single week. And it's like JJ McCarthy is incapable of getting the ball to Justin Jefferson. So I have so little trust in Jefferson, it's not funny. But you are also looking at a wide receiver that's dealing in proto right now and is probably even more susceptible to being knocked out. So what is your take on it? I've still kind of be honest with you. I'm not sure I would lean T. Higgins, even though I love the matchup if T. Got like a full practice in and everything like that. Think I might. But Justin Jefferson has a great matchup. He never gets the ball anymore. Do you have any combined yards? Justin Jefferson has three weeks combined. Take guess a number.

[Andrew Erickson]

Is it even 30 yards?

[Chris Welsh]

37 yards combined the last combined the last three weeks? Yeah. Yeah, you did undershoot it a little bit. So what would you do? T. Higgins or Jefferson?

[Andrew Erickson]

It's T. Higgins. If he plays, you're playing T. Higgins. He has a dramatically, significantly higher ceiling. Look, even when Carson Wentz was the quarterback for the Vikings and Jefferson was significantly better. Look at his game logs. Even when he was putting up 100 yard games or scoring touchdowns. I think he has zero top eight finishes this year. Zero. Whereas Joe Burrow, dude, this is such an obvious blow up spot for him. Again, get him out of the cold in Cincinnati, all the bad vibes. Everyone's trying to tell that he doesn't like football anymore. You know what I like or you know what Joe Burrow likes to do is throw six touchdowns against the Dolphins in Florida. Sunny Florida, nice and warm. I think that he's gonna have a monster game. So I think if T. Higgins plays, you want him to put him in your lineup. Because I think against the Dolphins, I think that Joe Bro could do literally whatever.

[Chris Welsh]

But the scare is he's gonna have fun. Yeah, no, I agree with that. But he'll start to have fun. Finally. He remained in concussion protocol today in limited practice.

[Andrew Erickson]

There's a chance he doesn't even play, so.

[Chris Welsh]

And then you have to worry about it. Exactly. What was, what was your next question?

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Yeah, my next question was because, I mean, I'll probably start Baker Mayfield in that area too. And my next question, I won't ask about tonight's game, but in this league, I have one Jackson dart or Brissette. And wide receivers, I have Marvin Harrison Jr. Which I don't know if he's going to play. And Devonte Williams, which is if he has well too. I have Shakir, Godwin, Worthy, Manangai and Singletary in my lineup, so I don't know if I should.

[Chris Welsh]

In your lineup right now? No, no, no.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

I have them on my bench.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, okay. So what are you asking? You're asking if like Javante and.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

If Marvin Harrison Gervonta don't play, do you think I should pivot to any of the guys I just mentioned?

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm pretty sure Javante's gonna play, so yeah, I wouldn't be worried about it.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. And then what was the. In the first part of the court I would go Brissette over. I'm forgetting the quarterback but it was easily berset to me. Would you play any of those guys over Marvin, even if Marvin's active? I would. I might go God one over Harrison.

[Andrew Erickson]

I'd probably, I think I'd probably go more Harrison. I mean if he comes back and does what he did when he came back the first time and he was, he was having a productive game before he got hurt again. So it's true there's always the injury risk with guys coming back from injuries. But I think you got to keep the context of remember the Cardinals Falcons, Drake London, Marvin Harrison Jr. These teams have nothing to play for. So if the guys are coming back, they're coming back to play football. Right? They're not coming back to like oh like you know, you got to get ramped up for the playoff run. Like the Cardinals Falcons are not going to the playoffs this year and coaches are trying to save their jobs. They're trying to put good tape out there. So if those guys are active, I would expect them to be full go at full capacity again. There's always a chance of re injury but hey, it's football. Anyone can get injured when you step on the field. So.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, I member Nick. Nick's in the house. What's up?

[Caller D]

Hey guys, first of all, just thank you for a great year of advice and support.

[Chris Welsh]

Thanks man.

[Caller D]

Thanks for getting us all to the semis. So I have a few questions for you guys. I'm going to send them in the chat just in case you need to reference the players that are in it.

[Chris Welsh]

Cool.

[Caller D]

The first one I'm trying to decide for my two RV spots and a flex spot and a half PPR league and my options are Henderson, Harvey, Tracy, Aaron Jones and Rico. And I know a lot of them are back to back to back to back in people's rankings. So just curious where you go in that spot.

[Chris Welsh]

First, this is Harvey Henderson and I'm going to play Aaron Jones in that matchup over Rico. You agree, Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yep.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay. There you go.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay, cool.

[Caller D]

Thank you. Second one. I know with the whole Miami situation, there's a lot of questions around Waller. I'm wondering for tight end, if you'd go Waller, Strange, Schultz, Loveland, now that you know, the guys are kind of banged up in the receiving core there or Ferg, who I have, but I'm very reluctant to start.

[Chris Welsh]

I think we're gonna probably disagree here, but I am Schultz on this one.

[Andrew Erickson]

Big ass Schultz is my highest ranked guy too. Okay, look, he's been like had a solid floor most weeks and the last week he popped off the thing with Waller and Fitz made a really good point about this, I think on the ranking show where he doesn't play tight end. Really? So this kind of matchup we're chasing against the Bengals, I don't know if it really like is relevant to Darren Waller because he doesn't line up in line like a traditional tight end does. And that's where the Bengals have been just like destroyed by fantasy titans. You know, it's interesting. You know who also doesn't line up a lot in line? Who bombed against the Bengals last week? Isaiah Likely and Mark Andrews. Right. So I know they had good weeks a couple weeks ago, and a lot of it's still because of the game script. The Ravens didn't throw that much. But that all being said, we're not even like talking about Darren Waller if he's not facing the Bengals this week, am I right? Especially with as the quarterback. And I think that maybe we're just looking at tight end designation by Darren Waller. When you look at his actual deployment for the Dolphins, he's lining up out wide or in the slot like a wide receiver. So are we gung ho about playing the number two wide receiver? I mean, what if it was Nick West Burkinay like, like moving the line? That's like, we gotta play this guy. With Quinn Ewers as his quarterback against the Bengals, probably not. So Waller I think of a soured on just a tad. Especially with those other guys. I like really want to like be in all in on Loveland because of the Bears injuries.

[Chris Welsh]

I like him this week, but just not more than Schultz.

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[Andrew Erickson]

Man, dude. Schultz is always a tough guy because I feel like he's always in that like back end fantasy territory. A fantasy tight end one. And I don't know like how high his ceiling really is unless he scores a touchdown. But it is. The Raiders like shroud should throw a Decent amount here. So in love with. We did say play the packers already this year and he had like a. He was okay. He scored. So I mean if you look at my rankings at Schultz, I think ECR has Schultz. So I. I don't have enough re again. I've gone on kind of a long winded answer here with this, but I think it is probably just Schultz.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, they get Schultz. All right, now you got a couple more. Let's burn through these ones.

[Caller D]

Yeah, these are. These ones are quick, I guess a QB. I have Dak Burrow and Dart in 4 point passing. Wondering who you'd go with there.

[Chris Welsh]

Burrow for me. Okay. We're both burrow.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay.

[Caller D]

And then like playing upside, I'm kind of expected to be down by like 10 points or so in projections. Not the projections really mean anything. Wondering if you'd go Dak or McCarthy just for the upside. With matchups being poor versus very good.

[Chris Welsh]

I'd still go Dak because I have zero trust in JJ McCarthy or do you feel different though, Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

No, I'm gonna play the guy that is good at quarterback.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Caller D]

A really, really gross 1. Estimate or Mason if you had to pick between the two.

[Andrew Erickson]

I love this one. This is great.

[Chris Welsh]

I think I might go Mason, if I'm being honest with you, just because I love the matchup and the usage. I'm not sure is estimate gonna get 20 carry. I have no problem going estimate because he's more of like the volume play. But like, are you that confident that estimate is gonna get Welsh?

[Andrew Erickson]

You were the. Remember back to last year, right? You were the one that rained on everyone's estimate parade.

[Chris Welsh]

I did, yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

Just destroyed it. He was terrible. So I'm trying to keep that in mind. I just guess for me it's. Am I excited about Jordan Mason? I don't know. I feel like if estimate did get the work facing the jets and it's just been so bad.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, they've been so bad.

[Andrew Erickson]

They've played.

[Chris Welsh]

I just feel weird about the work because they brought in like name Hines and they got whole and stuff like that. I do like that. I don't know if I had it this year. I do have a like absolutely just murder ball. A running back every year. Remember it was Carson Steel two years ago where it was like I smashed every under on the planet and then I murder bald estimate last year. I don't know if I had that this year though with someone that I was like, this is so hysterically stupid. I just was stupid. Likely last Year, maybe it's estimate. Yeah, I need to get more, like, intense about the estimate thing that he's going to be a failure. Let's go to Sam. I am. What's up, Sam?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, thanks so much, guys. So I'm in a standard league. I'm starting Henderson, but I need another running back and a flex. So I've got Javante Williams, Jawar Jordan, estimated Hampton, and then Michael Wilson is my only wide receiver. It's not playing. Ooh.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, so this is really like Hampton, Javante and Michael Wilson. And you said this was standard.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, so we need touchdown equity. Thank you, Sam. I am going to first defer to you. You go first.

[Andrew Erickson]

She only needed two, right?

[Chris Welsh]

She needed like a running back and a flex. She did only need to. It is probably Hampton and Javante.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, Javante and Hampton.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, but, but, but, but Michael Wilson is like 7 in ECR this week. That equation is definitely quite a bit better than like, you know, a 1617 running back or whatever. But then we. Then we have to pull it back to like touchdown equity. And that's what. That's what does make it tough. I'm really torn on this because I think Michael Wilson's touchdown potential against the Falcons when you know that Brissette is going to throw it 4,000 times, like, it's pretty high up there. I mean, this. This decision is made for you if Javante does not play. Oh, it was Henderson made for you.

[Andrew Erickson]

If Marvin Harrison plays. And right now it looks like he's leaning towards playing.

[Chris Welsh]

So yeah, it's against Dallas.

[Andrew Erickson]

He catches it. One of the odds, he catches a touchdown with Marvin Harrison Jr. Also in the lineup. Like, not great.

[Caller D]

All right.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. I mean, the two running backs is safer in standard touchdown equity there. You got some good options, by the way. You got pretty sweet. I'm down with that. Sam. Bova. What's up, Bova?

[H]

Hey, guys. I put these in the chat too, but in one league, I've got Shakira as my third wide receiver. And then for a tight end and a flex spot in ppr, I've got Kittle, Waller and Pitts. So if London plays, I put him in over Shakir. And then would you do Waller over Pitts in that scenario or would you still go with pits?

[Chris Welsh]

Both Falcons for me?

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I'm pretty anti like Waller in general. It's like heavy. Just only touched on equity. And you, I don't know what the hell yours is going to be. And I do assume London is going to play and I am Ranking him as such. All right, number two.

[H]

Two. So I have three wide receiver spots in a PPR semi and I've got. They're all like in the same bucket. Ish for me. Right. So Michael Wilson. Only If Marv sits. McConkey, London, Mike Evans, Tet and Devonta Smith.

[Chris Welsh]

Some damn dude. Yeah, I mean, I think assuming health, London, Evans and Michael Wilson or my, like, locks into this. What do you think, Erickson? You feel. You feeling a little lad against Dallas over Michael Wilson or a little Tetaroa?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. Marvin Harrison Jr. Plays. I would do lad.

[Chris Welsh]

You really think Michael Wilson's gonna get hit that hard if Marvin is back? I hate that.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, because it. It already happened. Like.

[Chris Welsh]

Like it stop happening.

[Andrew Erickson]

It'd be different if we didn't see it happen already, but it did. So I'm not trying to overthink it. Where? Oh, well, no, this week it's not going to happen. When we saw it, we have a pretty large sample size of Marvin Harrison Jr. When he's on the field, Michael Wilson doesn't get targeted. And it seems like preposterous considering how good Michael Wilson has been and how many targets he sees, but it's just not the way this offense has operated when both guys have been on the field. Michael Wilson has been a ghost when Marvin Harrison Jr. Has been active. So if he's back, just. Michael Wilson is a low confidence play for me, unfortunately.

[Chris Welsh]

And you went McConkey over Tedro.

[Andrew Erickson]

Oh, Tarot is injured right now, so we got to see if he's even gonna play.

[Chris Welsh]

But if he's. If he's in.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, if he's in, I'll go t Mac over. Okay.

[Chris Welsh]

He is injured.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Okay.

[H]

And then that same league, right? So I got. I got Allen and burrow a cube base. I'm. I'm favored to win. I got good receivers. I got James Cook at RB1, RB2. It's bad. I have Montgomery, McCrosky, Merritt and estimate, and I was leaning estimate.

[Chris Welsh]

It ain't Bill, I'll tell you that. It ain't Bill. Eileen Montgomery. Maybe I will just lean into hating estimate this week, Erickson. What do you think? Estimate or Montgomery?

[Andrew Erickson]

I like estimate.

[Chris Welsh]

Estimate. All right. I mean, he's the theoretical starter. Yeah, absolutely. I just want to hear like a little bit more about it. I want to hear them talk about the situation, you know, because it's just like they're picking up Hines and holes going to be there. They're going to abandon it. Is estimate going to get 12 carries and they're going to see some hole and then they're going to be ridiculous and throwing nahim like I don't know like I just estimate ain't that good ain't that good to deserve the whole thing so more I'm thinking about it. I think I am going to lean into like super anti estimate as we go. It'll just it'll vibe for me. I mean you imagine having your playoff championship hopes on Audrey estimate at this.

[Andrew Erickson]

Point Idevo what's up guys My powerhouse team of high week six weeks in a row came to an end so that that one's gone but luckily have another team still in the playoffs here. All right need Lex options this is PPR so need two of these four guys. Mike Evans who I assume is definitely going to be it Devonta Smith, Terry and then A.D. mitchell.

[Chris Welsh]

So Terry oh who was after Mike again I'm sorry it was Devonta Smith.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah Terry and A.D. mitchell.

[Chris Welsh]

And you need one more I need.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well I need two of the four.

[Chris Welsh]

Well Mike Evans is yeah he's yeah he's not even a. He's not even a question here. So it's is this really Terry or Devonta Smith? You feel really good about that. Commanders that is the team. Terry McLaurin though, that's a name Eagles. That's a defense. Jalen hurts quarterback though. That's a worry.

[Andrew Erickson]

QB2 and ECR this week not a good passer. He's fine last week perfect passer rating.

[Chris Welsh]

All right, checkmate. You went. You went on that one. All right. More important than ever. We actually talked about this on one of the streams. Your championships are right around the corner. Your semifinals are here. That doesn't mean it's too late to sync your leagues and you can sync them with my playbook and get customized advice on how to manage your team. But check this out. Also you can get the reports on the are they playing tool for all of your injured players. Now you don't necessarily have to do that to go to the are they playing tools but there are some big important injury questions that are out there. Unlock all of the helpful lineup and league analysis. You can set autopilot what a nightmare it would be is if you screw something up because you forgotten crazy for the holidays. You can set up optimal lineups each week with autopilot and auto start Sync your league dominate your leagues whether it's week one, the semifinals or the championship. Do it today. Fantasypros.com My playbook let's get to more dandy Dandy B what's up? Dandy.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Hello? Can you hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

We got you.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Awesome. I've got a bit of a two part question here. So if London plays, would you still rate Pitts over Parkinson?

[Chris Welsh]

Well, that's a Thursday question, so that's illegal. So. But no. So no Thursday questions. How much do you. Let me. Let me phrase it differently, Erickson. How much do you like pits with London active?

[Andrew Erickson]

Not. Not very much. Not nearly as much. It's. I talked about this on the prediction show with Worm. You should go back and listen to it. He averages like 7 points per game. When Drake London's healthy. Like it's.

[Chris Welsh]

And they. I think they said too that like, listen, Pitts was being used as a number one wide receiver. He was getting the Drake London usage. So yeah, I mean I think Pitts is like outside of a top 10 tight end. Like he's a lot closer to the or the fringe guys we were talking about. Like, I think I still start him.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think I'd still start over Parkinson.

[Chris Welsh]

What about Lovely?

[Andrew Erickson]

It's still a good matchup for him. He still has a floor which is. Is pretty solid. But I don't think he's gonna be like a top three guy or top five guy.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

What do you expect a follow up without.

[Chris Welsh]

As long as it's not a Thursday question.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Okay, so let's say Pitts is sitting on my bench tonight and London's out. Would you play him over Tracy?

[Chris Welsh]

No, I'd still go with the number one running back. That'd be the play. I'd play the play. There you go, brother. There you go.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think I was confused by that question. Well, like.

[Chris Welsh]

Well, I think. What's up dude? I think it was like, do we. If London is out, do we think that London. That Pitts is such a great play that you need to play him over predominant flex options, you know I'm saying like, I think that's where that was going. Like.

[Andrew Erickson]

Like, I think so. I think I would actually change my answer then. I would try to play pits if London is out. But I'm pretty sure London's playing so.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I do too. He was practicing. He was like a DMP for four straight weeks.

[Zyn Nicotine Advertiser]

That.

[Chris Welsh]

That was the one. By the way. Drake London was the one we were about with. Are they playing Tool. Is that London? When you go and look and it's actually really cool on the tool. You can go look at his like practice history and it's just DMPs for the last month and he's finally back into practicing games. I think he's going to play and I've been pretty steadfast. There's no reason for them to press him. So when he's active, he should be good to go. And it looks like the practice schedule is well in his favor. But to that point, like Kyle Pitts is a monster if London's not there. But I think you don't have much to worry about.

[Andrew Erickson]

Sorry, I mentioned that too. I mentioned that. Sorry, I just, I just want to say this one last thing. I mentioned it on the prediction show with Worm that Kyle Pitts had a big game last year against the Buccaneers. 91 yards, two touchdowns. Next week he had one catch for 11 yards.

[Chris Welsh]

Love it, love it, love it. Corey. Sorry, buddy. What you got now?

[Andrew Erickson]

You guys are good. Hope you're doing well.

[Zyn Nicotine Advertiser]

Thanks.

[Andrew Erickson]

I had a question for my RVT. Thank you. So for RV2, I was watching the week 16 predictions with Wormley and Erickson and I recall Erickson saying Hampton's going to have a big game against Dallas this week. So I wanted your guys take on Hampton or Harvey coming up.

[Chris Welsh]

What you think Erickson? How, how, how big is that prediction of Hampton vs. Hart? The Harvey injury stuff are being banged up I don't particularly love, but I am, I got to say I am staring at this and you wonder like why there is such a big discrepancy. Because Hampton is so good. But the answer to that is Kamani. Fidel. Fidel is just. He is not going away and he's taking usage. It's reminiscent of so many other running back situations. It's like the. I'm trying to think of which one I want to use. Is it like the manang guy and DeAndre Swift one? Is it more of like the two great back system? I mean like Vidal is going to get 10 plus touches. So to me, Hampton is kind of capped at like 15ish. But is that good enough against the Dallas Cowboys to go over what should be the predominant workload for RJ Harvey? But it is a tougher matchup. I'm still leaning RJ Harvey in there because I think his touchdown equity is maybe slightly higher even though it's a better matchup for Hampton. I just think Hampton's going to just going to let go of some downs because Vidal has been so good. But what do you think, Erickson? I don't even know who you have higher. And by the way, ECR is 1918 on Harvey and 23 on Hampton.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. So part of the prediction, because we do these really early in the week was Based on the idea that Quinn Williams wouldn't play. So he's been back at practice, so I don't know if that means he's, like, officially cleared the concussion protocol. So that matters pretty substantial because Dallas, their run defense hasn't been nearly as bad when he has been part of that defense since they traded for him. So I think that might lean me a little bit more into Harvey, like you said, where even though it is kind of like a tougher matchup, the Dallas defense doesn't become nearly as much as a pushover if Quentin Williams is playing. Fidel does have a big role in that offense alongside Hampton. So I think maybe I would have to move Hampton down a couple spots. But I think he can be ultimately hype if Williams doesn't play, fire up Hampton. But if it's the latter, then Harvey's probably, like, slightly glean.

[Chris Welsh]

Was that the only question, Courtney, or did you have another?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I had one last question. Sure. So I saw Rice is not planned to practice today. So I've got London and McConkey on my bench. So, I mean, obviously it's whether London gets cleared to play. If he does, are you going London or McConkey?

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, London. Yeah. Where did you. I put London at six on my ranks. Where did you put American?

[Andrew Erickson]

I think. I mean, he's like, where you were, like, top 10, wherever that range.

[Chris Welsh]

What would you do if Rice was active and London was active? Who do you have higher?

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

London.

[Chris Welsh]

I see London.

[Andrew Erickson]

Scott.

[Chris Welsh]

I do the whole thing. Scott, what's up? It's a holidays, idiot. My brain. These shows. These shows are like. Do they like a really enjoyable. Listen if you're into me, but, like, if you're not into, like, who I am and, like, how my brain works. And these shows are like, more of a nightmare. So I don't know. You got to unmute, though, Scott. Otherwise I'll just keep talking and I'll just. I'll be worse. All right, three, two, one. Figure it out. Re. Raise your hand and I will bring you right back up on the. As the next person.

[Andrew Erickson]

Willis, can we do or are we gonna do what we'll do?

[Caller D]

Well, it's first.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I already clicked on Willis.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, get him in here. What's up?

[Chris Welsh]

Willis?

[Andrew Erickson]

Patrick Willis, you hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

What up? Yes, going on.

[Andrew Erickson]

Kind of have a similar question to.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

The guy before with.

[Andrew Erickson]

With London, London and Michael Wilson. So if London's active and.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, but wait, hold on, hold on. If Harrison is also inactive. If Harrison is inactive. Yeah. And Michael will. I got you. And Michael Wilson's there anything Ericson? I still have London one. I have London one spot higher, but still, like.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I mean, I'd probably split one. He's better.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, let me ask you that also.

[Andrew Erickson]

The. Are they playing Tool says Harrison's gonna play. So stupid.

[Chris Welsh]

Harrison. So sick of him. Well, okay, because I was going to ask. Is there. Willis, do you have, like, is there somebody else? That could be a question that you could put Wilson in for if Harrison was out, or is that literally the only, like, wiggle room you've got?

[Andrew Erickson]

No, I also have Ted. I have them lower.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Would put Ted in if he was out.

[Chris Welsh]

Are you Michael Wilson with Harrison over Tet, or is Tetaroa over Michael Wilson? How you doing that.

[Andrew Erickson]

In any space? I think you got a downgrade. Michael Wilson significantly like, he got. Let's look at his game logs. Let's play a game of. Which game do you think Marvin Harrison Jr. Was healthy?

[Chris Welsh]

I feel like I'm going to be really good at this game.

[Andrew Erickson]

Oh, yeah. Now, this will be fun. So let me just pull up this game logs real quick.

[Chris Welsh]

I think I might absolutely destroy this Michael.

[Andrew Erickson]

Michael Wilson. All right, so let's see. We've got.

[Chris Welsh]

So what do I say? Do I say Harrison's active?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. You got to tell me if he's. If he's active or inactive. Wide receiver. Wide receiver, 3, inactive. Wide receiver, 13, inactive. Wide receiver, 49.

[Chris Welsh]

Active.

[Andrew Erickson]

Correct. Wide receiver 2, inactive. Wide receiver, 17, inactive.

[Chris Welsh]

Could that have been the last five weeks, by the way? Could that have just been the last five weeks you chose?

[Andrew Erickson]

That's the last five weeks. That's. That was actually even standard, too. So it's a little bit different. So he was actually wide receiver 50 the last time Marvin Harrison Jr. Played. So I just. I get that. So good. But. And trust me, like, I remember, I was not downgrading Wilson enough in that first game. Harrison you had. Because I was like, man, they can't put the. The toothpaste back in the tube or whatever that expression is. And then that's exactly what they did. They're like. They're like, we're jamming this toothpaste back up into the tube.

[Chris Welsh]

I just. You said, michael Wilson's so good. Gang, gang, gang, gang. Michael Wilson so good. Michael Wilson's so good. I can't. You got to get Marvin Harrison out of there for me. But, yeah, it is what it is, because Gannon is trash. Someone said, yeah, agreed. All right, Scott, we'll bring you back up there. Oh, I see. It Unmuted. What's up, Scott?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, guys. How you doing?

[Chris Welsh]

Good, man. How you doing?

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm all right.

[Chris Welsh]

I'm in the PPR league and I'm.

[Andrew Erickson]

Having trouble with my second receiver and.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

I, I need one of these guys. Christian Watson, Justin Jefferson, George Pickens or Jalen Waddle.

[Chris Welsh]

And you need just one correct.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Correct.

[Chris Welsh]

George Pickens. And don't even look back.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, you gotta, you gotta play the upside, like Pickens could score the most points this week and just. I get that's what I mean, I get that it's been rocked the last couple weeks. I gotta imagine this guy has to have at least one big game left in him before he gets the bag. Free agents. I mean, I don't know. Did he lose the bag these last two weeks after dogging it out there? So I don't know. It just. He's got too much upside. You can't. I get it's the Chargers, but I don't think the Chargers have faced a duo like Lamb and Pickens. They're playing at Jerry world in the dome. Dak usually plays really well after a loss anyway, so I. You just gotta play Pickens.

[Chris Welsh]

Let me ask you something. Let me ask you, buddy. Justin Jefferson, does in this magical little world go off?

[Andrew Erickson]

Like, what does that, what does that mean though? Like, he gets 100 yards, he got.

[Chris Welsh]

Wide receiver 15, seven catches, 112 yards and a touchdown. Okay. Like Bogman says, he has to do. What is the narrative around Justin Jefferson next year? What's the narrative? Who is he? Because he is stank. He's cheeks. He's just cheeks. The last month, JJ McCarthy doesn't know how to get him the ball. Doesn't know how to run an offense that has one of the best players in the universe. And then Justin Jefferson goes out smashes this week and then I'll even throw in is mediocre or bad the rest of the season. What is the Justin Jefferson narrative in 2026? Who is he? Top 12 wide receiver, first round pick, second, third, overrated.

[Andrew Erickson]

He's a. He's a buy low candidate. That's what I think it is going to be. I think that, I mean, what he's doing reminds me a lot. And again it's been. It doesn't line up timeline wise like it did with some of the other receivers from last year. But Welsh, we were talking about last year, how did Terry start the year with Jaden Daniels? Wasn't great. No, was not great. How was Cortland Sutton with Bo Nicks first half? Of the season. It's pretty bad. Jefferson called J.J. mcCarthy on an interview that he did, I think like two weeks ago. And I think this was kind of like a Freudian slip. He literally called him a rookie quarterback, which he's not a rookie, but given his experience level, he missed his entire rookie season. How many starts McCarthy made in the NFL? Like 10. So I think this is the classic case of rookie quarterbacks are traditionally bad for their fantasy wide receivers. And we even saw that when Carson Wentz was the quarterback during the Vikings. Like Jefferson was better in those games. And I think it's just a matter of, hey, rookie quarterback trying to develop chemistry with his number one wide receiver. Hasn't happened in year one, but just the sample size isn't that big. So I think that this isn't a case of Kyler Murray is never going to get Marvin Harrison Jr. Going because neither of those guys, I think, or Marvin Harrison Jr. Wasn't established as one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, which we know Jefferson has the capability and has been at one point the best wide receiver in the NFL. So I would be more optimistic about him in year two with Jefferson as the full time starter. Especially with Jefferson or, excuse me, with McCarthy kind of taking some steps forward with some of these matchups over the last couple games. So, I mean, is it going to be this week? It happens. I don't know. But I mean, eventually he will have a decent game, like you said. And maybe there's this week against the Giants.

[Chris Welsh]

I'm just curious, I'm just curious what the narrative is going to turn into when he has a big game. He doesn't. I mean, I will be hilarious if it's not this week and then it's in the championship week against a tougher matchup after he had three weeks of the world's greatest matchups of all time. I just think it's funny at this point. Like it's, it's hilariously stupid next week, right?

[Andrew Erickson]

Because he's got the Giants and the Lions next week. So it's gotta be one of those.

[Chris Welsh]

I mean a month. It's gotta be. There wasn't two.

[Andrew Erickson]

Two opportunities to ladder bet Justin Jefferson.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh my God.

[Andrew Erickson]

So, yeah, I mean, I mean those are gonna be fat payouts for what are his.

[Chris Welsh]

What do you think his problem?

[Andrew Erickson]

Never gonna be lower.

[Chris Welsh]

But you said that last week. It was like 60 yards and guess what? Hasn't done it in three straight weeks. But, but that's, that's like my frustration. It's, it's that thing right there. Like, we keep going. Like, we're like, he's just gotta. And it's like, yeah, but he hasn't and he's not. And the, the, the quality of targets are bad and I don't see a prop up right now. I wanted to see what it looked like and see if you would ladder it, see what you're willing to do.

[Andrew Erickson]

I will say too, and I thought Warren made a good point with this. The Vikings are out of the playoffs. They're evaluating McCarthy, and they've also talked about we want to get Jefferson a thousand yards. He's got three games left. He's at 832 yards.

[Chris Welsh]

You imagine.

[Andrew Erickson]

So like, dude, the targets are there, the air yards are there.

[Chris Welsh]

They just need nine more games than they can get it. They're so close. Nine to be extended.

[Andrew Erickson]

Just like his alter ego. Nine. Nine more games.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, exactly. Nine more games and you can get him to a thousand yards. You can get 120. All right, I just wanted.

[Andrew Erickson]

Actually, okay, actually, to Jefferson's credit, look, we have seen him more than double his yardage output.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, so then you know what? 40, 44 is on the docket then.

[Andrew Erickson]

Tonight because he went from 4 yards, all right, 11 to 22.

[Chris Welsh]

So bet the under this week and.

[Andrew Erickson]

The targets have come up every single or no, actually, that's not right. No, he did have, he did double his targets last week.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Do you double his catches, too?

[Andrew Erickson]

No, he's stuck at 2. 2 and 2.

[Chris Welsh]

2. Just 2. I mean, no one's gonna care. No. No one's on my side with any of this anyway, so who cares? Let's go to X. What does X got for us? X gonna give it to you. Premium member, fantasy pros, Discord, A plus person, cute dog in the picture, jobs I love. Justin Jar is defender of him. X, are you coming up? Three, two, one. Bag Sold. Yeah, re. Ask if you want. Until then, Ronan. What's that?

[Andrew Erickson]

We had Ronan. No.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, I.

[Andrew Erickson]

All right.

[Chris Welsh]

No, no, hold on. Yeah, yeah, hold on. Ronan.

[Andrew Erickson]

I, I Devo had this in the chat. I think it's worth throwing out here. Buy, hold, sell. The Grinch, Rudolph, Frosty the Snowman.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, say you.

[Andrew Erickson]

I know where I stand here, but.

[Chris Welsh]

Is it Frosty from the creepy, like 40s cartoon or just like natural versions? Okay, much better. So buy. What is it? Buy, Sell, hold.

[Andrew Erickson]

Grinch, Rudolph, Frost. Yeah. Not the other version.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, yeah. I was like, are we, are we marrying them? Buy. All right, I'm going to buy the Grinch Hold Frosty and get rid of Rudolph. Rudolph's trash.

[Andrew Erickson]

Why.

[Chris Welsh]

Rudolph? I can't make the jokes on, so.

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm gonna buy Grinch. I will hold Rudolph self. Rossi. I think Frosty's trash.

[Chris Welsh]

So we're both buying. You think Frosty's trash. What is it about that reindeer?

[Andrew Erickson]

What does he have to even do with holidays? He's just a snowman that comes to life for a day. What is his birthday?

[Chris Welsh]

What does a deer have to do with holidays?

[Andrew Erickson]

That's. At least they were able to deliver the presents.

[Chris Welsh]

With a fake nose. He's like, hey, everybody, I'm Rudolph. No, that's.

[Andrew Erickson]

Now he teaches you about why bullying is wrong. A lot of life lessons. It's okay to be different. You can rise above that and how you can use your differences to be awesome. So, yeah, I like Rudolph.

[Chris Welsh]

It's a great question. I'm glad we. I'm glad we stopped for it. It was a very good one. But we both bought the Grinch, though, because Grinch is elite. All the versions of the Grinch, too, by the way, shout out to the Grinch for being animated.

[Andrew Erickson]

Good.

[Chris Welsh]

And then Jim Carrey. Good. Did you see the thing last thing? $20 million Jim Carrey got for that role. And when he found out about the makeup he want, he asked to give the money back because he didn't want to do it. Can you imagine 23 hours of makeup? You can put me. I mean, I guess that's, you know, me saying that because I don't make millions of dollars. Do whatever you want. You imagine like, oh, I don't want the $20 million because I don't want to be uncomfortable. Zip it, Ronan. What's up? Selling. Gentlemen, we're doing great, man. Which one for you? Which one are you buying? Frosty or. No, which one gets sold, Frosty or Rudolph?

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Oh, Frosty all day.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, okay. I guess I gotta. I gotta do that. All right, what's. What do you got?

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

A couple quick ones here. Who's the start for the defense? Casey, New Orleans or Philly?

[Chris Welsh]

Look at ecr. I think I like Casey. Yeah. Casey is a. Ranked the highest. Yeah. They're three, Phillies four. New Orleans is five. Okay, so that's pretty solid. That was easy enough there. Streaming defenses, baby.

[Andrew Erickson]

I love when everyone asks, like, now it's the playoffs. It's like, which defense? Which kicker? Haven't asked these questions all year long, but now I'm like, I need to know the exact diva. And it's a. It's, you know, it Adds another element of fun. And I always think about, like, man, why are we not thinking about this throughout the entire season? It's just like. I don't know. I just think it's kind of funny that we, like, get, like, even more into, like. Well, I gotta aim every defense perfectly. But, hey, do whatever. Whatever edge it takes.

[Chris Welsh]

Welsh, get that whatever edge. 100%. Let's go back to X, see if X got something for us.

[Andrew Erickson]

He gonna give it to us.

[Chris Welsh]

If X can't give it to us, It looks like not. You gotta accept the invite. We've invited you to the thing. You have to say yes, X.

[Andrew Erickson]

The tang. Egg boy.

[Chris Welsh]

Egg boy. Love me some egg boy. All right, you gotta figure it out, X, and then we'll bring you back up. This is gonna be one of those things where it's gonna be like, the end of the show. Will the. Will we com. Convert the. The down. It actually makes it very exciting. So, polestar. What's up? Microphones not working. Polestar. Oh, man. Polestar. Just go into your settings and check your audio and then raise your hands and we will try to get you back on.

[Andrew Erickson]

Bobby V. What's up?

[Chris Welsh]

Bobby V. What's up?

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, X definitely didn't give it to you, but I got a question you.

[Chris Welsh]

Let's hear it, you guys.

[Andrew Erickson]

I kind of came in a little late. Do you guys talk about.

[Chris Welsh]

We do. Not Thursday?

[Andrew Erickson]

No, not Thursday.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, what was the. I'm sorry, then I interrupted you. What was the ask?

[Andrew Erickson]

Do you guys talk about, like, Tyler Warren replacements or anything yet?

[Chris Welsh]

No, we have not. Is that. Is that the question or you want to be more specific?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, that's a little bit more specific. I was thinking about riding some Darren Waller there, but with the new QB change, I don't know how everyone feels about that. And then, you know, maybe like a Loveland or a Theo Johnson or something like that. What do you think? So, Loveland.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, Yeah. I was about to say that's the only one that I like out of that list. Do want to point out the 49ers, not great against tight ends right now. And a little bit more in the offense that I don't hate. Hate Tyler Loveland, but I think Colson. I'm sorry, Tyler Warren, but I think Colson Loveland has, like, the best upside right now, but you go ahead, Erickson.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, no, I think. I think Love is a play. We just got official word, like, 30 minutes ago. Burden and Odunes, they're both out. So, look, this is something. Maybe this is Kind of like calling my shot here. But if you look at Loveland's box scores and game logs, it looks a kind of, it looks very similar to Harold Fannin's box scores where it's like 3 for 40, 4 for 40, like consistently hitting a floor and then the minute that one guy misses, he just blows up. Loveland is super talented player. He's a first round. He was picked before Tyler Warren was. So it's a matchup that we've already seen him establish for against the packers, who are kind of reeling a bit on defense, some injuries. Ben Johnson's been in the lab this week with Loveland. Like I feel like this could be a big game for him and he's already established like at worst case, 4 for 40. Okay, you can take that. That's not going to kill you. So I think Loveland is one of the top streamers.

[Chris Welsh]

I agree. I completely agree. It's a great question. More questions can always be answered over on our Twitch. Check out our full schedule of live streams out of Bounds with me, Bogman and Joe Pizzapia every Monday at 2:00pm Eastern. You guys can watch the show before it airs anywhere else or on the podcast feed. Bogman and I, we have been on, we did like the 12:00pm Eastern. We moved to 6:00pm Eastern on Tuesdays doing a two hour I believe this week, coming week, it's going to be our boy Seth at 12:00pm Eastern who's going to be rocking a Q and A. But we got a Tuesday livestream. Thursdays and Fridays it's our boys Seth and Debro at 1 and 2pm Eastern we've got like the Thursday night ones and Q&As on Sundays at noon right before kickoff. Go and follow Twitch TV fantasypros. Give us a follow. Never miss a stream and ask your questions. Be involved in all the fun stuff. All right, we still time wise it looks like we're ending, but we still have a little bit more time. Erickson, you're still good?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

To get some of these. Okay.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

We got some of the people here but let's see if we can get back to Polestar, see if he's got that fixed. Oh, and then I think we got to go back to X. What's up Polestar? Does your aw, Mike doesn't work still. There's nothing we can do in these spots. But there, there's like an area where you can go and test in the settings. You can go test your audio. You might have to do that. Let's go To X. Let's see if X go and give it to us. Part three. You guys are not accepting. All right, that's third down. X. It's fourth down coming up. If you're going to try it again. So I don't know. There you go. Let's go to egg boy. What's up, egg boy? Let's see if egg's going to give it to you. Can you hear Eggs? Got it. Let's go. I'll just ask the tight end question of all tight end questions this weekend.

[Andrew Erickson]

Next week, I guess.

[Chris Welsh]

Parkinson, Loveland, Warren. Anyone? Like, what do you what are we thinking for you're saying for week 17? I guess for this week and then.

[Andrew Erickson]

Maybe as a stash for next week too.

[Chris Welsh]

I can carry two of them and I have Warren and yeah, I've Warren.

[Andrew Erickson]

Already on my team, but it's not looking hot.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I mean because we don't do the Thursday questions here. Like I think I probably will most likely have Parkinson probably still higher next week I think as well without because I'm assuming Devonte Adams will also not play next week. So that would probably be the overall arching one. But Loveland, I got no way. I think those two are super close.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I know that Parkinson's matchup next week isn't as great is against Atlanta, who's been pretty good against tight ends this year. So that's something to kind of keep in mind. Loveland, I mean I don't think A Dunes is coming back and he's playing the 49ers. Like talking about a game that could get nutty. Bears at niners especially if Loveland comes off a big game against man dude, I want to move Love and up so high. Am I ranking like how.

[Chris Welsh]

Where do you have them right now?

[Andrew Erickson]

Dude, I like yeah, I got him at 12 and it's like, like why, why can't I start him over? Hell fan. Like they should see some more volume and he's not one of them's not facing the Bills. I do think Harold Fannon is like a legit kind of like a Sid this week, to be honest. Like, I feel like there's a lot of better streamers than than him. The Bills matchup is brutal and really the only guy that's beaten the Bills was Mike Kaseki. But he plays slot like he's a glorified slot receiver, not really a tight end. So Fanon concerns me. And then Juwan Johnson kind of seems like he's like set up pretty well too. There's no Bailey Yeah, I like him too. He's facing the Jets. Jets are terrible all over their defense, so. Man, like. And then Gadsden, too. I talked about him in the ranking show. I think he's kind of interesting. His matchup sucks next week, though, so it's really him is week 16. I think Juwan Johnson has another good matchup too next week. So he said Parkinson Loveland.

[Chris Welsh]

Loveland.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think, dude, I think I'd rather have London than Loveland for the next two weeks. I'm down with that because if he hits against the packers, dude, this could be like, oh, this rookie titan is like breaking out all over the place and you want him in your lineup against the 49ers. So. Did you say the 49ers have been better against tight ends?

[Chris Welsh]

No, they have not. Well, when Fred Warner was alive, then they were great, but now they struggle.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I. I think Loveland is like the full blown upside play where it's weird, you know, this season it seems like some of these rookies have kind of like fallen off where usually we see rookies kind of hit at the end of the season where it's like, oh, this rookie's breaking out. But seems like we got so many early breakouts from these rookies that they kind of like instead hit the rookie wall, which is like, not ideal. So maybe Loveland is the one that's like, hey, he is the rookie that breaks out at the end of the season where we saw a lot of guys peak so much earlier. So I think Love is probably the stash guy. And I don't think this week he's like such a worse play than some of the other guys. I think there's like a. It's a pretty strong, like, streaming tier this particular week now. Easy to say that. And then one guy pops off and the other guys all suck.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

But if you're doing both weeks, I think Loveland probably has the most upside over the next two games.

[Chris Welsh]

Egg boy also said waddle or Robinson Wanda, Wandale or Waddle.

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm. I'm terrified of waddle this week.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I go Wandale as well. Picking up our two guys that couldn't get on Polestar said flex question. Aaron Jones or estimate instead of Judkins, Javante or Jennings. Absolutely not. I want Judkins, Javante and Jennings before I want either one of those two guys. And if I was. If I had to have a replacement, it'd be Aaron Jones over estimate.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. Yes. I would do Aaron Jones over probably it would probably be Judkins. I'd probably put Aaron Jones in over.

[Chris Welsh]

You would actually do that or you're saying if you had to like you would put Aaron Jones in over Judkins right now?

[Andrew Erickson]

No, but if this person is convinced, I don't want to start like, gotcha Jennings. Like Aaron Jones would be the next bet. Not estimate to your point.

[Chris Welsh]

Gotcha again.

[Andrew Erickson]

You're the one that is the voice of reason when it comes to Audrey Estimate again. I'll be fully transparent. It's. This is a shoot for the moon type of play because of the jets matchup. Like if he's playing any other defense, he's like not on the radar. But there's no floor when it comes to what kind of usage you get. Like, I know that it's. It's kind of like fun to talk about, but I mean this could theoretically be the Taste of Hill game that we thought could happen like eight weeks ago. Yeah, we're like, oh, we decided to use taste and hill a ton this week and screw everyone over that decided to play Audrey estimate. So like that's just something you have to be concerned about. But I think there's a real ceiling with estimate. If he does get the work, it is the jets and they've given up five straight top 10 RB finishes. So there's upside there. But I think he's more of a flex play than like a locked and loaded RB.2 to your point about let's pump the brakes maybe a taddy.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I just don't. I just don't trust the volume. Yeah, I just. The volume is not what I don't trust. And then X said Joe Burrow or Brock Purdy 6 point passing touchdown league. And then there's another little side question. And then we'll get our last couple ones and we'll get out of here. Burrow over Purdy. But it's super close, right?

[Andrew Erickson]

I think. I think Burrow is going to.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, you thought he was in dominate and then pick two. Full ppr. DJ Moore, Reed or Igbuka. So kill one of them. Probably DJ More. I just don't trust DJ More. I put a book up over both of them.

[Andrew Erickson]

DJ Moore at Buka. Who's the last guy?

[Chris Welsh]

I gotta go back to it. DJ More. Reed. Jaden Reed.

[Andrew Erickson]

Dude, when. When Fitz dropped that stat that Reed has one game with double digit targets, I almost fell out of my chair. I messaged him after the show because I was like, dude, how is this even possible? And I looked it up, you know, he had eight catches for 27 yards in that game. I think I. I think I would probably be, but okay. No man, like do you think. Who is a higher. Who do you think has a higher ceiling? More or Reed?

[Chris Welsh]

More.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

So then, I mean he showed it last week. Yeah, I, I have no problem with that.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think, I think, I think. Yeah. Again, whenever I'm like torn, I always just try to ask myself, okay, like which guy has the highest ceiling? Yeah, I can live with, like, I don't care about floors, like, whatever. But more showed last week, two touchdowns. And Reed has just been capped in this offense for basically his entire career.

[Chris Welsh]

So last couple on the Voice. Crown. What's up, Crown?

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Hey, how's it going?

[Andrew Erickson]

Good.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

So I had a kind of like a two phase question. I'm contemplating with Loveland and I mean the odunze and burden that playing DJ Moore over DeVonta Smith as my first question. And then my second question is just with the Rain on the Thursday night game, the opponent I'm going up against has Matthew Stafford, JSN and Puka. So like I kind of want to hear your takes on the Rain game. And then I'm also have Myers as my kicker in that game. Should I drop him and pick up? I can get like Elliot from the Eagles as my kicker.

[Chris Welsh]

We both shake our head down. We don't do Thursday questions on here. So we have no opinions on the Thursday games for this show. But on the first part of the.

[Andrew Erickson]

Question, I would start devonte Smith over. I would do more.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I would.

[Andrew Erickson]

Also we can briefly hit on Thursday after we stop recording if you really want to.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, just never while we're recording. 100 Dark Yoda. Last two here.

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey guys, I have a three running backs here to start. I got Javante Williams, Bucky Chaser, Trivon.

[Chris Welsh]

Say it again. Bucky Javante, Travion and who?

[Andrew Erickson]

Chase. Chase Brown.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, I'm. I'm chasing.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think I'm, I think he said start three.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, so we just set one.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think guys, it. Yeah, so you gotta sit one.

[Chris Welsh]

So Bucky's in, Chase is in.

[Andrew Erickson]

Or do you want to trade on?

[Chris Welsh]

I was thinking bench Travion.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think I might bench Chase. I mean he catches so many passes though.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, come back to the like whole what is your upside play that you need to do? You know what I'm saying? Like if you need the upside. Travion Henderson over Chase Brown.

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[Chris Welsh]

You want core stuff? I probably keep Chase Brown in there.

[Andrew Erickson]

And then the other guy was Javante. So Germante's definitely in. Bucky's definitely in.

[Chris Welsh]

And if Javante's out because he's hurt, and then. Your question's already answered. So. So what's your so rank it, then?

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, right now I have it. Bucky Javante, Travion. Or. Excuse me, Bucky Javante, Chase Brown. Travion.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Trayvon's last, and that was what we were leaning. Unless you need upside, then get Travion in and maybe bench Chase Brown. Boom.

[Andrew Erickson]

Right? I think. Yeah, it sucks. I don't want to bend Travion, but just based on the. The workload, Chase Brown catches so many passes. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

All right, Last one. Big Bamsel. Bamzel.

[Andrew Erickson]

Just big.

[Chris Welsh]

Big B.

[Andrew Erickson]

Just big.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, going one. Oh, there we go.

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, guys, can you hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

We got you, man.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yep. All right. Thanks for all the help this season. Actually, in my championship this week, starting out, and are we only playing McBride or Kittle over Bowers? Looking to maybe get, like, a big swing off someone else?

[Chris Welsh]

I mean, technically, I'm saying it.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Because we both think London's gonna play, and that brings Kyle Pitts down. Yes. But we don't feel great about it. But, you know, he's just like a. Like a floor play. But I just don't know if there's a lot of guys under him that's like, oh, my gosh, this is the big. You know, I'm going to spring for dot, dot, dot. Like, because we know the Bowers is just going to get a lot of volume. I think you have to just plug your nose and put Bowers out there.

[Bryce / Scott / Crown / Sam / Dandy / X / Egg Boy / Polestar / Willis / Big Bamsel (various callers)]

Right?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. He's also getting Geno back, too. Like, that matters a lot. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

Gino loves throwing a million. Yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

We saw last. We saw the downgrade quarterback last week. I think that was kind of being held against Bowers a little bit, where. Well, he had Kenny Pickett as his quarterback. Like, he's a backup. So Gino back. Not playing outdoors at Philly again at Houston, still, I mean, obviously it's. I want to say a better defense, but you're playing indoors, and I mean, you know, just gonna sling it to Brock Bowers 15 times. I'll take my chance. But. So, I mean, I think earlier in the week I said, like, pits over Bowers, but with Drake London back, I think I'll just go right back to Bowers. Just. He's too good. He's too good of a player, man. Like.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Too healthy.

[Caller D]

Too healthy.

[Andrew Erickson]

Lowest.

[Chris Welsh]

Too healthy. Too healthy. Bowers. All right, that is it. I think potentially for the year. Oh, by the way, I just, I think they said this. I just see Tom Pelissaro reporting as we're recording this. A Dunes and Burden both rolled out, officially rolled out. So. But I think this is the last, at least for the regular season of the, of the extra point that we've got for this year. I might be overspeaking. We might be back in some other capacities. But you know, we're not back next week because it's Christmas week. So hopefully we got you guys covered. You know where to find us in all the other spots though. We've got tons of live streams on Twitch. We've got the same content. Erickson and I with Fitzy are going to be doing the wide receiver ranks early. Make sure you're following us. Twitch TV fantasypros over on the YouTube YouTube.com fantasypros and you're subscribed on the pods. That kind of locks you in. But like we did here today, you want access to some of the community and some of our AMAs. Sign up on the Discord fantasypros.com chat will take you to the Discord. You can sign up. It's free. There are premium aspects of it that you might need to check out, but you can sign up on the Discord for free. Thank you guys so much for hanging with us. All the great guests, all the great people. We've got to hear your voices and hang out with you. Good luck in those championships and good luck liking Rudolph over Frosty for Ericsson. I'm Welsh. We're out of here. Peace.

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