FantasyPros - The Extra Point: Trade Questions, Tough Keeper Decisions, and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1665)

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd | FantasyPros: The Extra Point – Trade Questions, Tough Keeper Decisions, and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1665)

Episode Date: August 25, 2025
Hosts: Chris Welsh & Andrew Erickson
Theme: A listener-driven fantasy football Q&A episode, focusing on trade dilemmas, draft and keeper strategy, and nuanced year-to-year changes in player value.
Format: Live on Discord with community questions; dynamic, interactive, conversational.

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Overview

This episode of FantasyPros’ “The Extra Point” is a deep dive into real fantasy football decision-making as hosts Chris Welsh and Andrew Erickson field a range of live audience questions—from convoluted keeper decisions and dynasty trade values to granular redraft strategy and emerging player trends. The duo brings trademark candor and analysis, emphasizing actionable advice for upcoming drafts and roster management, particularly as the biggest draft weekend of the year approaches.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Keeper and Draft Strategy Quandaries

Listener: Wyatt

• Keeper Dilemma: Forced to choose between Trey McBride in the 3rd or Chuba Hubbard in the 9th after facing lost picks (no 4th, 5th; extra 6th, 7th, and 10th).
• Strategic Outcome:
  • Erickson: Advises a "0 RB" (Zero RB) build, arguing that with the missing middle-round picks, going with McBride’s positional advantage is best. “If you just go with Trey McBride, you keep him, then you go receivers in the first two rounds... McBride can be a game changer all year long.” (05:53)
  • Welsh: Agrees, emphasizing upside over safety given weaker mid-round capital. “You got to go big upside, not play it safe. McBride puts you in elite tight end territory.” (07:08)
• Draft Approach: Build foundation with WRs in early rounds, let the missing picks enforce discipline (no forced mid-round RBs), then fish for late RB upside.

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2. Dynasty Tight End Trades & Asset Management

Listener: J Town

• Trade Under Consideration: Offering Jacob Crosky-Merritt + a 2nd for Tucker Kraft, with Hawkinson already rostered.
• Erickson: Sees value in leveraging hype on RBs like Crosky-Merritt for ascending young TEs; supports the move due to positional scarcity and potential for value appreciation. “I'm never going to say no to acquiring talented players whose value is going to rise in Dynasty.” (09:20)
• Welsh: More skeptical; wouldn't rush to trade major assets for another TE when Hawkinson is already solid. “If you have Hawkinson, why are you trading assets?... I don't see the value in trading for a Kraft when you have Hawkinson and you're giving away two pieces.” (10:25)
• Consensus: Fine to execute if you believe in Kraft, but maximize value—consider countering for a lesser pick, or shop Crosky-Merritt elsewhere.

Notable Quotes:

• Welsh: “I might be wrong, I might totally be wrong about this, but I think I’m on the other side of disagreement on acquiring a tight end in dynasty when you have Hawkinson.” (11:49)
• Erickson: “We all want to try to figure out when the perfect time to sell him is, right? …the list goes on and on… that peak in their rookie years but then they fizzle off.” (12:07)

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3. Dealing Elite WRs in Dynasty

Listener: Father Man

• Situation: Rosters both Devonta Smith and A.J. Brown; unsure whether to trade or hold, and for what type of return.
• Welsh: Cautions against trading out of desperation. Open to a move but only for real value, preferring to sell Smith over Brown if forced. (15:11)
• Erickson: Points out both WRs' values are slightly depressed due to Philadelphia’s run-heavy attack last year—so this may not be optimal time to sell. “I still feel like you’re selling low on these two players… The stigma around the Eagles offense is they just run the ball so much.” (16:05)
• On Trade Targets: The hosts weigh potential returns like Rome Odunze plus a 2nd for Brown and also suggest cross-position swaps depending on team need (e.g., for a top RB).
• Dynasty Value: If a contender, stick with the tandem; for a retool/rebuild, explore creative, younger upside deals (e.g. Nico Collins).

Memorable Exchange:

• Welsh: “If someone’s not willing to like really push into a trade, I’d probably move away. I’m open to doing both, but clearly Devonta Smith is the one I’m probably looking to get out from.” (15:11)

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4. Running Back and WR Tiers, Targeted Draft Picks

Listener: Hokey

• Dynasty Roster Decisions:
  • QB Depth: Debates whether to drop Anthony Richardson with Bo Nix, Cam Ward, Dak Prescott rostered. Both hosts say “hold”—Richardson’s ceiling and trade value if he starts again are too high to justify a drop. (29:29-30:24)
  • When/Who to Trade: If value right, Dak is a strong "sell" for a contender seeking reliable QB production. “I would trade Dak. I think he’s an easy sell high.” (31:00)
  • WR/RB Draft Technique: On rookie/free agent draft, traded up to snag Travion Henderson, Travis Hunter; hosts approve, calling his WR/bench composition ideal for flexibility and upside (33:02-35:04).
  • Best Practices: Don’t trade premium young upside in a cold market—wait for a splash performance.

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5. Redraft Trade Package: Depth for Upside

Listener: Father Man / Doza

• Goal: Wants to acquire Ladd McConkey, ready to trade Kyren Williams, Courtland Sutton, Calvin Ridley for James Conner, Ladd McConkey and Tony Pollard.
• Welsh: Breaks down the swap as “a fine trade” if determined to get McConkey—no clear winner/loser, but sacrifices depth for a potentially elite WR trio in keeper or dynasty formats (Jefferson, Chase, McConkey). Notes risk as the RBs acquired have less long-term value. (41:45-43:55)
• Erickson: Co-signs—"You're getting the player you want and paying an adequate price to get said player." (41:45)
• Caveat: Confirmed later that “Chase” in their team is Chase Brown, not Ja’Marr—adjusting, hosts still find the trade fair. (43:31-44:13)

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6. Draft Room: Approaches to Running Back and WR Value

Listener: Perception

• Classic Problem: Picking at the 8/10 spot, loves WR value rounds 1-2, and 5-8, but unsure how/when to attack RB.
• Welsh: Prefers “hero RB” (one elite early), then load up on WR; comfortable with McCaffrey, or Saquon if they fall; after that, back to WR and target rookie RBs or value RB shots in mid rounds (e.g. Travion Henderson round 4).
• Erickson: Leans towards risking it and pushing RB down the board. Notes that rookie RBs’ ADPs will move fast after Week 1, so upside can be found. “I want to play the long-term game… Genty is the better long-term bet for this year to be there for you all 17 weeks versus McCaffrey…” (48:15)
• Pivot Ideas: If forced to forego top RBs, target falling upside plays like Achane; if taking elite WRs, combine with RB values later.

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7. Reaching for Rookie RBs in Redraft

Listener: Scooby

• Dilemma: Is it too early to pick Amarian Hampton high in the 3rd? Worried he won’t make it to 4th round.
• Hosts: Agree that early 3rd is justifiable in today’s draft landscape, especially when safer picks (QBs like Lamar or elite TEs) are off the board. “If you want the safest route, just take quarterback.” (52:10)
• Key Consideration: Only reach if missing out on clear tier drops at WR/QB; be sure you’ve got WRs locked in first.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Erickson on Dynasty Running Backs: “We all want to try to figure out when the perfect time to sell him is… The list goes on and on of these guys that were day three undrafted running backs that peak in their rookie years but then they fizzle off...” (12:07)
• Welsh on Trading Desperation: “I don’t like desperation being the lens that makes me make a move.” (15:11)
• Erickson on Nico Collins: “Fade alphas at your own risk, Welsh. Fade alphas at your own risk.” (28:40)
• Welsh on Listener Value: “You’re just bragging now. You’re just here bragging about all your amazing… No, no, I’m joking, I’m teasing you.” (35:28)
• Draft Strategy Digest: “I love the receivers at rounds one and two and I love the receivers in rounds five through eight… at 8, I’m probably like, you got to give me—it’s got to be McCaffrey. Or, like, if a Saquon fell. Saquon fell to nine in the draft we just did. That’s where I would jump on it. Then comparative to the wide receivers, it’d be hard for me to pass on Puka or Neighbors.” (45:06)

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Listener Keeper Dilemma & 0 RB Build: 03:18 – 07:08
• Dynasty Tight End Trade Debate: 08:31 – 13:45
• Trading Devonta Smith/A.J. Brown in Dynasty: 14:42 – 19:55
• Nico Collins Ascent, WR Odds: 21:15 – 28:40
• Dynasty Roster Assessment (Depth, Trading QBs): 28:59 – 32:25
• Upside in Dynasty Roster Construction (Trade Timing): 33:02 – 36:09
• Depth-for-Upside WR Trade Debate: 39:01 – 44:13
• Redraft RB/WR Early Round Theory: 44:22 – 48:44
• Early Third Round RB Reach (Hampton): 49:23 – 53:10

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Episode Tone & Style

• Conversational, interactive, and high-energy, faithful to FantasyPros’ usual style.
• Strong sense of providing community “inside baseball”—hosts don’t shy from passionate disagreement, audience is encouraged to act as “producers” of content.
• Deeply analytical but approachable; humor and real-world anecdotes abound (“Horses in the stable!”; “Fade alphas at your own risk!”).
• Focus is always on maximizing upside, with risk-reward calibrated to draft and roster context.

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Summary

This was a rich, livewire episode for every kind of fantasy football manager, packed with real Discord questions and careful, actionable analysis. Chris Welsh and Andrew Erickson helped listeners navigate classic dilemmas: how to extract max value from keepers and trades, optimally build (or rebuild) teams, and time risk in emerging player profiles. Along the way, they broke down some pivotal draft and trade philosophies for the 2025 season and reminded everyone of the value in trusting process over panic and staying attuned to league trends as draft season hits its peak.

Transcript

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[Chris Welsh]

What's up, friends? And welcome in to Fantasy Pros, the Extra Point, where we are live on Discord. I'm Chris Welsh. I've got Andrew Erickson here and a bunch of our incredible community over on Discord, where it's like a studio audience you can think of, like a radio show or however you want to do it, where they're hanging out with us and you listening could be doing the same where you can raise your hand, come up, ask us questions beyond the show, or you could simply drop the chat. You guys get to dictate. You guys are the producers of this show, which is so cool. And there's a lot of opportunities where you guys can be a part of shows and just have more than just what a normal Discord community is. And that's why you want to join our Fantasy Pros Discord community, chat with other fans, get access to exclusive AMAs that can wind up on the podcast feeds. And we've got a schedule. Bogs and fits. 5pm Eastern every Tuesday through the end of the month of August. Worm and Fitz at 5pm Eastern the first Tuesday of every month. And then Erickson and I are rocking with you 2pm Eastern every Thursday throughout the season. So come and get your questions answered and be on the show.

[Andrew Erickson]

Do it.

[Chris Welsh]

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[Andrew Erickson]

Really? I feel like I've done a show with everybody recently because we just had the Fantasy Fest. That's true. We do a segment. Or maybe were we not on a segment together?

[Chris Welsh]

No, they did. They put us away from each other.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, they know that we have the Extra point going every single week from here till January, February, March, who knows? The extra point is here for everybody in the discord. So, yeah, man, I'm excited. This is one of the biggest draft weekends coming up. We are updating everything, rankings, all the promos galore. What a time to be alive.

[Chris Welsh]

What a time to be alive. We just actually also had the. Or at least I did the fantasy pros company draft and then it followed with we're doing like one of the chop leagues, like a guillotine league. And we did both of those and I did those back to back. And those were crazy experiences because we had a 16 team company. Did you already do your fantasy pros company league?

[Andrew Erickson]

Nope, mine's not till next week.

[Chris Welsh]

All right, well, I want you to check out my build a little bit later and tell me what you thought of it, about it. And you guys can. You can take advantages of some of the trends and we're all about those trends. We'll probably talk about some of them throughout this. So we've got a great audience here. I see a bunch of hand raids. This is awesome. And then I think I see some people loading up the chat. So let's get to it. Erickson, I know you're ready for it. Let's have our boy Wyatt kick off the show for us. Wyatt, come on down. What do you got for us today?

[Wyatt]

Hey, bros, can you hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

We got you, brother. Sound good?

[Andrew Erickson]

All right.

[Wyatt]

Awesome. Love that. Y' all bringing this back. I got a little bit of a long winded one. I did what everyone recommends not doing in a redraft. And I traded picks from last year for players. So I don't have a fourth or a fifth round pick this year. And I have extra six, seventh and 10th round picks. And then I picked up a third round pick from someone else and traded away mine. We're a half ppr, one qb, two running back, two wide receiver, tight end, and a flex league. So my question is draft strategy. With those picks missing, I have possibility of keeping Trey McBride in the third or Chuba in the ninth. And I'm wondering with those two keepers, should I go double wide receiver at the 1 and 2 or should I look at evening it out and doing running back and a wide receiver. What strategy you think would be best with.

[Chris Welsh]

So is it only one keeper?

[Wyatt]

Yeah, one keeper. You keep them around earlier than you drafted them last year.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, so then like just the mat. Do it real quick for me. What did you actually lose? Because you, like you said you traded a third to a third. Did you lose like a four and a five and then you gained extra sixes in sevens? Is that right.

[Wyatt]

I lost. I lost a four and a five, and then technically an eighth rounder and I gained an extra six, seventh and 10th.

[Chris Welsh]

Gotcha. And then your question was keep chuba at a nine, McBride at a three. And then did you also want to just know basic strategy or was it just the keepers?

[Wyatt]

It was keepers. And then what? Like, basically I'm thinking like, whatever keeper I keep is going to determine my strategy. Like do I go 0 RB, do I with double running back or double wide receiver at the first and second round? If I go early tight end, that obviously basically solidifies 0rb for my strategy.

[Chris Welsh]

Absolutely. Okay. Why? Yeah, it's actually a good one to start at the top of the show. It is a little convoluted. There's a lot to it. You threw me off too, when you were like, I did what you shouldn't do in redraft. And I was like, oh, what'd you do? Like early quarterback. And you're like, I traded picks. And I was like, wait a minute, that's not redraft, that's a keeper. So Erickson, there's a lot to that. Basic roster construction. Let's start with three. Third round McBride or ninth round Chuba. But we do have to consider that he's missing a couple picks in there. If he were to keep that third round, he'd essentially have a one, a two, and then I guess he like, he'd be out a couple rounds of picks. So what do you think?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I think that this team is just begging to be a 0 RB build because it just kind of makes it easy. If you just go with Trey McBride, you keep him, then you go receivers in the first two rounds. If you're picking at the back end of round one, and considering there's keepers, you don't necessarily know who of the running back or wide receiver pool is going to be available. But just knowing how the player depth is at the top, there's probably still going to be receivers available that are in that top 12 conversation where probably more of the running backs are going to be held. So although in a vacuum, I think that Hubbard is clearly the better value proposition. I think that when you're looking at longevity, I think McBride can be a game changer all year long. Whereas Hubbard, very potential that, yeah, he starts out the year as the guy, but maybe Dowdle again, he's operating on third downs. Trevor etn, I think is still really underrated as a rookie running back in this year's class. So those guys just eat into Hubbard over the season. I think he can be productive to start the year, but there's a lot of running backs you can get late that can kind of be productive to start the year. So I'm going, I, I'm ready to embrace the 0 RB with this team and just kind of see how it goes. And you're not going to be tempted to take any middle round running backs because you don't have any picks. So you have to avoid that range anyway. And yeah, so that's, that's what I would do.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I think I'm, I think that there's a, there's like an understanding of why you could do the Chuba Hubbard because then you have like the top three picks and the only one keeper definitely puts the possibility of like good players are out there. But one of the things I guess I have is like one keeper is essentially going to take like a first round of most likely most of the first round out. So then now you're like drafting behind and that fourth round can get a little dead zone. So all of this to say that like with the missing picks, think you got to play the most upside, not try to play it safe here. And I can, I completely agree with Erickson. McBride puts you in elite tight end territory. You got to just kill those first two picks. You got to go big upside, not play it safe. And that might lead you into like a 0ish RB build. You might have to be the guy that's like, I'm going to try to win with Austin Eckler and Javante Williams as my running backs. And then those higher picks, you're taking like maybe two wide receivers or I don't know, maybe a quarterback falls to you. But I think we're generally kind of agreeing whatever the actual strategy of the players you take is, I think McBride is the pick. So it's one strategy built here. All right, The J Town. The J Town, come on down with the mock drafter moniker here, join the stage, ask us questions and we will all rejoice your fantasy glory. What's up, dude? Hello. Hello.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yo, yo. Hey guys. How you doing?

[Chris Welsh]

Good, man. What you got?

[Andrew Erickson]

Good, good. Yeah. So I got a dynasty question. I got Hawkinson and Ben Sennett, but I'm looking to upgrade to more of a longer term tight end. And I just offered a jcm, taking advantage of the hype and a second rounder for a Tucker Craft.

[Chris Welsh]

So wait, you offered Crosby in a second to get Craft or you were offered? Yes, okay, I, I am offering.

[Father Man]

And the deal seems to Be almost a done deal.

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm just thinking if that's a good move or kind of wait on the hype.

[Chris Welsh]

Who is your tight end again?

[Andrew Erickson]

It's Hawkinson and Senate. So it's not necessarily a great long term.

[Father Man]

Ish.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, I mean Hawkinson's only 28 years old.

[Father Man]

True.

[Andrew Erickson]

So I don't, I don't think that he's a terrible. And look, Benson, I got, you know, he got the Zach Ertz treatment, you know, same thing we saw with Trey McBride a couple years ago where he didn't do much as a rookie. So I don't, I don't hate your current tight end room maybe as much as you necessarily do, but when you throw Tucker Craft in the conversation, I'm never gonna say no. Like, like that's the thing. If you're gonna get Tucker Kraft, then I think you're going to be a winner no matter what. I'm never going to say no to acquiring talented players whose value is going to rise in Dynasty. Now you're obviously taking advantage of Jacob Crosky merit, which I think is smart because even though I do think that he can definitely outproduce, you know, what he was valued at, you know, a couple months ago and be a productive running back for the Commanders this year, he's not out of the woods like next year. Right. He's still seventh round draft pick. So what's gonna, if he has a good year, what's the Commanders like, what's going to stop them from drafting running back next year? And then you could see his value kind of depreciate. So I think that you're getting fair return for Jacob Cross Camaro. Even though I don't think that I still think he's a worthy asset, this is something I would move him off to, to acquire.

[Chris Welsh]

I think you and I are just in a different spot here. I'm kind of sitting here being like, if you have Hawkinson, why are you trading asset? I mean, I know Kraft is a little bit younger, but why are you trading assets, especially in like the pick department to get Craft? I don't, I think there's definitely an element of like wherever you sit on the Bill Crosky train, like things can change. Like maybe this is one of the most incredible opportunities to maximize value on a player that's just going to be, I mean, I think they were just talking about like goal line usage. Could go to Chris Rodriguez and you're going to have like a lot of the receiving downs go to obviously Austin Eckler So it's like if, if Kraski Merritt is stuck with you know, 10, 12 carries a game, it's pretty minimal value. But if we're talking in this sounds like a dynasty because there's just like a lot of players that are involved that are lower values. This is like a dynasty. I'm not sure, I just want to give them away for nothing while you're, and again I'm not saying craft is nothing, but you're also giving away a pick when you have Hawkinson. I think this might just be a firm kind of disagree with both of us. I don't see the value in trading for a craft. When you have Hawkinson and you're giving away two pieces, you might be able to maximize merits value somewhere else. Or how about this? What about Hawkinson and like a third round pick for Kraft? Like something like that. So I don't know, I might be wrong, I might totally be wrong about this, but I think I'm on the like complete other side of a disagreement on acquiring a tight end and dynasty. When you have Hawkins like if he said he's like oh I got, you know, Jake Ferguson or I got even you know, further down if he was like I've got Kyle Pitts and I'm worried like okay, that's a little bit of a different thing. But Hawkinson's not, I don't know, it's, it's, it's not nothing for the next couple years. Am I wrong?

[Andrew Erickson]

Right? No, I mean like I said, like I didn't say that I necessarily hate his tight end room but he's also just trying to take advantage of, trying to get something out of Jacob Crosby married. And hey like what if Hawkinson gets hurt and then I'm, I gotta start Bensonot like you, you like you might be able to start him at all this year. So I think maybe he's looking at my Titan depth is not great and Kraft is a player that when we're talking about him next year his value is going to be much higher than it is right now. So that's why I am supportive of this idea because Corey Crowski merit again another player who we expect his value to increase. We all want to try to figure out when the perfect time to sell him is right because this is, we've seen this picture before. We start with Isaiah Pacheco, Antonio Gibson, James Robinson, like the list goes on and on of these guys that were day three undrafted running backs that peak in their rookie years but then they fizzle off right like what's, what's Pacheco's Dynasty value now? It's not that great. So that's why you're never going to sell him at, I think at the perfect time, because it's just hard to project when it's going to be. But you know that you're going to have to try to sell him at some point. So is it maybe a little bit early to do it right now? Maybe. But at the end of the day, if you're getting Tucker Craft, who I feel very strongly that he's going to have more value than he is next year, then Cross Gamera can kind of do whatever. As long as I get Craft in the end and I then have a top, maybe top five tight end in Dynasty when we're talking about it next year, then it doesn't almost really matter what Cross Kimaera does, whether he increases his value substantially or decreases it. So I like this deal. And again, I'm also massively huge on Craft, which is why I'm also supportive of it.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I mean, your logic makes sense. And I don't think if you wanted to do it, it's bad. I guess my argument would just be like that, you know, optimizing the, the Bill Grosky train, maybe there's just another place to do it. You know, maybe there's another player, maybe there's someone that's willing to sell differently, but it makes sense. You know, maybe you could even push the guy to get the pick out, you know, or get a. Yeah, a lower. A lower pick. A fourth. Yeah, exactly. Third or fourth or so. Yeah. You say, hey, let's do a four and you guys meet in the middle at a third and it's like, okay, it feels like a tiny bit better because those second round picks definitely can hold a lot of value. Assuming that that's like a second round pick in the, in the rookie drafts for next year, there's still a lot of second round value in there that I'm just not sure I want to quite give up there. But if you want to get out from Bill Crosky, then, you know, maybe those are the type of things I would just maybe poke around the league and see if there's someone else that's like RB desperate or something like that. So a good conversation. Very good conversation. The father man. Father man's in the house. What you got, man?

[Father Man]

That was going on. Guys. How y' all doing today?

[Chris Welsh]

What's up, brother? We're doing good.

[Father Man]

Hey, I got a Dynasty question for y' all as well. Dude, I've got a pretty good team as far as running backs and wide receivers go, but at the end of last year, I ended up with Devonta Smith and A.J. brown and probably gonna go ahead and get rid of one of them. Should I get rid of one of them and what do y' all think I should ask for? Or should I just hang on to both of them and ride. Ride it out to, like, mid season and then get. Get rid of one later? What are y' all thinking?

[Chris Welsh]

I'm down to get rid of one. I don't think that. I think this is kind of a nuanced thing because I think the. Maybe the easy answer or the first part of the answer is, like, what gets you more? Which should be A.J. brown, but it's a dynasty and age, and if it's not something that looks. If people are trying to buy low, I would have absolutely no issue going into the season. Like, I don't know if I would actively be like, I got to get out from under. Sometimes I feel like people get it in their heads where it's like, all right, got to get this. Got to get this guy out. I got two teams. You know, the age, whatever it is, like, I got to trade him. And then you start to look at trades in a different lens, and I don't like doing that. I don't like desperation being the lens that makes me make a move. So if someone's not willing to, like, really push into a trade, I'd probably move away. I'm open to doing both of them, but, like, clearly devonte Smith is the one I'm probably looking to get out from. What say you, Ericsson?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, it's tricky because you have the age element at play. You look at both wide receivers, and you could argue that last year was kind of one of the worst. Worst is probably not a great way to describe it, but less than ideal situations for them to thrive as fantasy assets. Just given how run heavy the Eagles were last year, and that's just not going to happen two years in a row. The Eagles are going to throw more. So I still kind of feel like you're selling low on these two players because the stigma around the Eagles offense is they just runs the ball so much. But, I mean, if Sequin Barkley does end up missing any games and Eagles have to throw the ball more, that's where you're going to want to sell after that, after you see a, oh, AJ Brown got 15 targets in a game, or Devontae Smith Devonte Smith, when you see his numbers that he posts when guys miss time, whether it's A.J. brown or Dallas Goddard, he turns into a wide receiver one it's why he's such a hard player for me to rank and in draft because his splits are so eye popping when guys miss time, when all those other guys are healthy in the lineup, he doesn't do that much. But when one guy misses, he immediately steps in as an alpha wide receiver. So I guess for me, if I'm really playing the long term game, eventually there's probably going to be a time when Devonte Smith maybe steps up into a true wide receiver one role. If the Eagles move on from A.J. brown at some point, you know, I'm not exactly sure how that will necessarily play out, but I think that yeah, like to your point, you can probably get more for AJ Brown and I think I'd rather hold on to devontae Smith just in the long term based on the age and his body of work. So kind of a loaded answer I guess to that particular question. But I don't think right now is really the best time to sell them. I mean they're both really good players that you can start every single week and if one of them disappoints, it's usually because the other one is the one that's performing. So when you combine the guys two scores you're usually pretty happy with each player or that total combined output basically every week.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. And like you also asked what would be what we would target. That's really tough to say because I think anyone that's buying AJ Brown is in a win now mode and they're not going to give you what if they were to give you wide receivers it's going to be you buying on a lower name. Like you'd have like a younger lower name. Like you'd have to go and get Roma Dunes A and something like would you trade, would you trade away AJ Brown for Roma Dunes A in a second round pick and a second round pick and a Duna. Yeah, you get a second and a Dunes A and while you move away AJ Brown off of your team. You want to do that?

[Andrew Erickson]

Not if I'm a contender now.

[Chris Welsh]

So that's my point.

[Andrew Erickson]

Not a contender. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

The only other way you could do it is if you're trading like okay, I'm getting rid of A.J. brown because I have a deficit at running back. This other team has a high end running back but like they'd have to trade you like a Josh Jacobs to Be equivalent or something like that. So I just like, I think if you're a contender, you're in a position where I don't think this is going to make a ton of sense. If you are rebuilding a little bit, then I think you can really get creative.

[Andrew Erickson]

Conversely, let's. Because we like talking about this particular player because he's fun to talk about. Would you trade A.J. brown, Jacori, Crosky, Merit for Nico Collins?

[Chris Welsh]

So I trade away Brown and Crosky to get Nico. Yes.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay, so maybe that. Because again, like, we always try to think about kind of not necessarily moving down, but using these players to move up, like, move up a tier. And I think that again, Nico's not also like the youngest player. I think that he's 26. So I mean, not an old receiver by any means, but I mean, I was shocked. Well, when you look at the odds to lead the NFL and receiving yards, you know who's number one?

[Chris Welsh]

I would say Chase.

[Andrew Erickson]

Chase. Yeah. But you know who's number two? Nico Collins.

[Chris Welsh]

Really? With Lamb and out there.

[Andrew Erickson]

Wow. I think it has to go down to the target competition in the quarterback. Like, who. Who is Nico Collins could be with? It's Christian Kirk, like, that's the starter in the offense, and then rookies, like, so the path for Nico to just go absolutely bonkers is totally in play this year. And you just look at his body of work in terms of receiving arts per game. He's top five. Last two seasons since C.J. stroud became the Texans quarterback, Nico Collins has basically been a top five wide receiver in the NFL. Like that's the case here. And because it took him a couple years to break out because the Texas quarterbacks were so bad for so long, and then they got Stroud, then he immediately just like melted faces. I think he's still kind of like undervalued a little bit in Dynasty. So maybe even AJ Brown straight up for Nico Collins would work. But I guess that's kind of how my mind is kind of working when I think about, you know, A.J. brown. And also too, like, if you want trade recommendations, use the trade analyzer part of the Fantasy pools toolkit. Toolkit. And also we have the Dynasty trade value chart that updates every single month. We're doing another update after roster cut downs next week. So that'll be updated and ready to go. So those have value, number and inputs for each of the players along with picks. So that can give you another idea of where those players are value valued.

[Chris Welsh]

By the way, what's CD Lamb on that number for receiving or leading the league and receiving yards.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think that he's next. I think that he's in. He's. I mean it's like the typical guys in the top five. It's Jefferson.

[Chris Welsh]

It's like what are the numbers? Like are they like 2 to 1, 3 to 1? Like what are they bigger?

[Andrew Erickson]

Better believe the NFL and receiving, it's not that short of. I think it's. They're all longer than that. I'm pretty sure I can pull it up right now if you want.

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[Chris Welsh]

All right, what are, what are those odds looking like? Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

So, yeah, I just pulled them up the. So Chase is the favorite, 6 to 1, Nico's 10 to 1, Jefferson's 10 to 1, Lamb is 10 to 1, Puka Malik Thomas, kind of like 10 to 15 to 1. So those are the top ones. So yeah, Nico is, is, is number two there.

[Chris Welsh]

I mind the Nico, but I'm hearing neighbors and I'm hearing lamb and I'm hearing odds and I kind of want to maybe place a little feature on both and you could do it with the best.

[Andrew Erickson]

Do you think that it's, you think it's. I mean, I thought it was not like surprising but I mean for Taniko, for him to be up there, right? No, I think it is surprising.

[Chris Welsh]

No, what you said is like, I like if you would have asked me without any like setup who are the guys, I would have said Chase, I would have said Lamb, I would have said Jefferson. Nico would have not been in the top three and frankly, I would have said neighbors at four. So for Nico to be two, it is very telling to where the books are at.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. And I, I think that it just goes to show what his ceiling is in the Texans offense. Right. If, if he can hit his 99th percentile outcome, you're looking at a player that, I mean, can Nico Collins win the Triple Crown like we know he can. We know his yardage is going to be there. Maybe the receptions is probably the thing that's Would hold him back. And then anyone again, you're going over 1400 receiving yards. He has the ability to score anywhere on the field. So the touchdowns I think could also come would probably just be. The reception is probably the only thing that would hold him back. Just because he's more of been a yards per route run kind of savant, not necessarily like a target hog because he's been really super efficient. But is this the year where, I mean last year, remember we were concerned about, well, Tank Dell is there and Diggs is there and he ran circles around those guys. It wasn't even close. Like we watched week one for Nico Collins and I immediately knew. I was like, wow. I was like, I was so wrong about Nico. This guy is alpha. And you got to fade alphas at your own risk. Welsh fade.

[Chris Welsh]

I put that on a shirt. Fade alphas at your own risk of Nico Collins. Just put Nico on there. Put guys put. Put that on a fantasy pro shirt immediately. Erickson dropping heat here. I love that. All right, let's get back to the listeners here. 33, 36. Hokey. What's up?

[Hokey]

Yes. How's it going?

[Chris Welsh]

What's up?

[Andrew Erickson]

The dream, baby. Let's go.

[Hokey]

So I dropped my team in the chat action. You've already actually had a look at it and give me some feedback. So I've got three points I want to hit and I'll try to hit them quick out of respect for everybody else. So first off, you have a 12 team dynasty. One QB have PPR. I've got four QBs right now, which I know is at least one too many. And given the word on Anthony Richardson, is it time for me to just drop him and move on?

[Chris Welsh]

But why? What would you draw by the way? He's got Bo Nicks, Cam Ward, Dak Prescott and Anthony Richardson. My question would be why and for what? Like what would be the point to dropping him? To pick up. What, off the wire?

[Hokey]

Yeah, there's nothing much I can pick up then.

[Chris Welsh]

Absolutely.

[Hokey]

We just.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like Richardson. So people put out here interesting points of like, hey, listen, if Richardson were to have started the season and be a little bit of a failure and they make the move because they'd be like, oh, Daniel Jones could be the savior. I think you're in for some real big messiness. There's a scenario where Daniel Jones stinks up the place for three weeks. All that Siken was talking about is they need consistency out of Richardson. He's the future second half of the year, he's the Starter, he's, he's incredible trade bait for you. So unless you're like, oh, Crosky sitting out there, like, I, I, I would not make the cut of Richardson. That is a lot of quarterbacks, though, but I wouldn't do it.

[Hokey]

Well, that kind of brings me to my next question. So I'm, I'm good with that. That's kind of how I was feeling, but I didn't want to be stubborn, sentimental about it. Given the QBs I have, I sort of see Knicks as possibly now and possibly in the future. Prescott's definitely now. I think you could have a big season or too early to say. Should I be looking at moving water Prescott, in your opinion?

[Chris Welsh]

What do you think, Erickson? I, I would be comfortable literally taking all these quarterbacks and being like, who's given me the best value? And if someone's given me a nice value, I don't care really who it is. Knowing you have Dak in the future for Ward, if someone wanted Knicks or vice versa. But what do you think, Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

I would trade Dak. I think that he's an easy sell. So high since it's kind of weird, but I feel like that he's viewed pretty positively even though he's coming off a terrible season where he got injured. I, I get that things should be better. They're added pick ins, but they're also playing the Eagles in Week one on the road. And Tyler Guyton, who's a starting tackle, has missed all of the offseason for Dallas. Like, it just doesn't set up well for Dallas, I think, to start out of the gates red hot. They have this Micah Parsons thing. I know he plays defense, but just like it's just more drama with the Dallas Cowboys every single year. So for me, I'm a Cowboys fan.

[Hokey]

Too, which makes it even worse.

[Andrew Erickson]

Right? So, so you know exactly what I'm talking about here. So, I mean, I think you have enough, you know, horses in the quarterback stable. Like you said, you got Bo Nix. I mean, I think that he's. Look, he has everything that you need from a fantasy perspective. He's mobile, he's in a great system, great offensive line.

[Chris Welsh]

Horses in the stable, Erickson. Damn you.

[Andrew Erickson]

And Cam Ward, I think, has another T shirt. Another T shirt. And Cam Ward, obviously, I think has room to grow. But I would agree with Welsh about, you can't just cut. Richardson is younger than Cam Ward. Like, we got to keep that in mind. Guys like this guy, I know that right now he's on, he's on the Trey Lance trajectory, which is not great because he just needs to play more. But he can't because he keeps getting injured. But the minute that he gets a start, he could start one game. You could see his fantasy value double after one good game. So like right now, hold Richard son.

[Hokey]

And if Prescott blows up a game, stop him around a little bit.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yep. 100.

[Hokey]

So yeah. Next topic. Running back. Going into the going, going into our rookie free agent draft, I had Jonathan Taylor and Brown Robinson Jr. So I knew I needed to improve on that and I started. I was sitting at the 105, basically decided I really wanted to get Henderson. So I traded my first and second and 26 to grab the 103 as well and got Henderson hoping to get Tet at 5. He went at 4. So I got Travis Hunter, which leaves me with Hunter. And I know Erickson, you told me the other day you were good keeping them both. You agree?

[Chris Welsh]

Agree? Oh absolutely. You've got great depth, Thomas and Wilson. And your top receivers on the bench right now are Pierce, hall and Hunter. Like those are great. Dynasty keeps. I have no issue with Hunter and I think he's going to eat. So he's your fourth wide receiver and you only technically start two. I think you're in a great spot.

[Hokey]

You wouldn't look to move either one of any of those guys at this point.

[Chris Welsh]

If someone's paying a super high price, I'd listen. But yeah, I think you paid a high price in, in those picks. If I'm not interested in trying to get like trading Travis Hunter for a first round pick next year, I think you're trying to compete. You have a team that I think you got a few holes. Like Kincaid is your starting tight end. I'm not the biggest Bonix guy on the planet. Like so if someone you know, if I could upgrade, great. But otherwise like he has Jonathan Taylor, Chase Brown, Brian Thomas, Garrett Wilson, Travion Henderson. That's a big core. I don't look to trade just to trade if somebody wants to pay up. And here's the place though, it's not the time to do it. We just talked about this on a mock draft show with Celie. It hasn't aired yet. Worm, me, Sealy Boggs and, and Celia and I also did this other show where it was talking about upside picks. We were talking about Godwin and Travis Hunter and like about a month ago those two dudes were like super popular picks. Everyone's like, oh, Godwin will be okay and he's such a value And Travis Hunter, he's going to have it all. As the drafts have started, those guys are falling. They're now being pushed back more. Travis Hunter used to be a guy that was going into the mid-20s and sometimes he's fallen to the 30s. Now people are scared and worried about usage and they're just being a little bit more risk averse. This is not the. My point is this is not the time to trade him. This would not be the time I would be looking to trade Travis Hunter. Let him go out and have an explosive game. Let him have a game where he catches four balls for 95 yards and a touchdown and then has a pick and people are losing their mind. Even though interception doesn't mean anything, people, oh my God, Travis Hunter. Then you look and see if someone out there wants to do something stupid. So that's when I would look at doing that. Did that answer all your questions, Hokey?

[Andrew Erickson]

One more.

[Hokey]

Well, not least much a question, but just a comment. So after, after our draft then I had said I had B Rob before and I also had Pet calf moved the two of them together to get Brown and a 26 second round pick to get what done that I got, I traded.

[Chris Welsh]

No, I know who you traded. What did you get?

[Hokey]

Chase brown and a 26 second, probably mid second.

[Chris Welsh]

You did great. You're bragging now. You're just hearing bragging about all your amazing. No, no, I'm joking. I'm teasing you. I'm teasing you.

[Hokey]

I, I felt, I felt like it was a good deal, but I feel like my run, my running backs have actually turned into a strength now where it was a weakness going into the draft, but I've thinned my wide receiver depth a little.

[Chris Welsh]

So it's a dynasty, man. Yeah, good stuff, Hokey. That's the, that's the world of dynasty, Erickson, where you're wheeling and dealing and you're trading and you're trying to have bench versus like, you know, the strong starters win now versus playing for the future or trying to be in and out. Like there's a fine line and a dance with all of that. And Hooky's done a good job. He's got a great, great roster out there.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, it's got a ton of upside good young players on it. And I personally, like again, I know I talked about the Brian Thomas, Travis Hunter combination. I think that just in dynasty, it's under, I've talked about under valued strategy is just like stacking teams, right? Because if Brian Thomas misses time, like who's the number one benefactor of that probably Travis Hunter. Like, and then that way it's like you're maybe not playing Travis Hunter as much if Brian Thomas is healthy, but it just gives you an opportunity. Especially because injuries are going to happen to every single team, every single fantasy team is going to have to deal with injuries. And because Dynasty rosters are so deep versus Redraft, you can have these backup players, these handcuffed players that are ready to go, and they provide you more value to your roster than someone else's value. You know, again, for an example, like, this team doesn't have Taj Brooks on it, but, like, if you can get Taj Brooks for like, nothing, add him on there. You got Chase Brown just in case Chase Brown gets banged up. Boom. You throw in Taj Brooks and you have an RB2 or something along those lines. So that's how I kind of think. I think that's a good strategy in Dynasty.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, same thing with like, DJ Giddens. Like, go get Giddens in there and get the backup. So that's the same idea. I like it. The team here at Fantasy Pros are taking your questions all week, every week on our Twitch. Erickson and Tom Strachan are talking best ball on Mondays at 4pm Eastern, Tuesdays at 2pm Eastern. Bogman and myself doing our lightning speed round mock drafts. We did two of those last week. It was fun for the Fantasy Fest after party. Seth Wilcock and Debro are answering your questions on Wednesdays at 2pm Eastern. And we've got a barrage of different analysts for Q&As on Thursdays and Fridays at 5pm Eastern. All of that just go to Twitch TV FantasyProse. We'll give you notifications you follow. You get notified we have the schedule on there, but make sure you're following us. Twitch TV fantasypros. Never miss a stream. Get your questions answered because we know you guys got them. Doza Doza on the line for our our final stretch here. What you got, man?

[Father Man]

Hey, Andrew. Hey, Wells. Can you guys hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

What's up, dude?

[Hokey]

Yeah, great.

[Chris Welsh]

You got a great mic, dude. What's up?

[Father Man]

Those are just AirPods, man. But anyways, just let me set some foundation. I love my team. Currently it's a redraft 10 team. Full PPR 2 RB2 wide receiver, one flex. I have Chase Brown, Karen Williams, Justin Jefferson, Cortland Sutton, and Ted McMillan. So happy with it. But man, I'm a Chargers fan. I really want in McConkey and I really want to trade for Him. So I set this up and it's like a three team trade. So it's all complicated. So in short to you guys, is this a reach? Kyron Williams, Corland Sutton and Calvin Ridley, who I also have for James Connor, lad McConkey and Tony Pollard.

[Chris Welsh]

Say it one more time. Just say the combo again. It was, it was, yeah. Kyron Sutton.

[Father Man]

Oh, three, four, three. Karen Sutton and Calvin Ridley.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay.

[Father Man]

Or James Connor, lad McConaughey and Tony Pollock.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, this is a big one.

[Andrew Erickson]

Those are.

[Chris Welsh]

Those are a wide receiver two and a three with an RB one essentially for. It was like two RB two types and a wide receiver one. What do you think about that? Erickson? That would give him Jefferson, Chase and Lad.

[Andrew Erickson]

So. So basically. So it's basically the way I see it. So I would say that Ridley, I mean, I'm pretty high on Ridley. So like maybe saying Ridley and Sutton is a wash, but I think it's pretty close. Just like what they're going to do this specific year. I think they're both like, strong.

[Chris Welsh]

But he's trading them both. He's not getting one of them. He's trading away Sutton.

[Andrew Erickson]

And so Connor and Kyron, Sutton and Lad.

[Chris Welsh]

So what you have to do is you got to cross cancel, like Connor and Sutton. Are you okay cross canceling those guys as value?

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, I think when Connor's healthy, he can be just as good as Kyron. It's just a matter of like, when he gets hurt. Like, that's like the only thing that with James Connor.

[Chris Welsh]

I guess the math I'm doing is like, you got to like be like, all right, Lad for Kyron, Connor for Sutton and then Pollard and Ridley. And if there's a little bit of a plus value on the Conner side over Sutton, could does that make up for the plus value you're giving away for Ridley to get Pollard? Hopefully I made that make sense.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think that if his goal was to get Lad, I think that this is a fair deal to do that. I think it's a fair deal on both sides. I don't think that there's like a clear cut. Oh, this team is totally winning this deal. You're winning this deal because you're getting the player you wanted and you're paying a adequate price to get said player. So I think that you're not overpaying. I don't think this is like a steal by any means. I think it's fair. I think both sides are getting a fair deal based on the market prices where they were probably drafted in adp, Pollard gotten a bump the last couple of weeks because of the Spears injury but there's Spears is probably going to come back at some point. So how does that change thing? I guess like when the only thing I would look at this trade is it definitely is weighted a little bit more towards the early season because you're getting two running backs versus having two receivers which I think will help you to begin the year, which I think helps counteract losing Kyron, who is your best running back that you're moving away. You're getting two running backs that should start the season high on a high note. And then, and then like I said like you're getting lad McConkey who is the guy you were going after anyway. So yeah, I will co sign that this is a good deal.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I mean I'm down. I love getting Lad. I mean having Lad chasing Jefferson, that's so stupid. And dynasty like the valuation or our.

[Andrew Erickson]

I don't think he said it was dynasty.

[Chris Welsh]

Well or a higher keeper. I'm assuming this was because he had those guys. I don't know how you would have Chase and Jefferson without it being a keeper. So dynasty or keeper whatever to have those three. The valuation of wide receivers is usually above running backs. I will say that like you're trading away three assets that have I think you could roughly say four plus years of easy production to get only one guy that really does. I mean we're about done with Connor and we're about done ish with Pollard. You know we're getting close to there. So like Ridley, his best season might be right in front of him but.

[Andrew Erickson]

He'S, isn't he going to be keeping all those receivers anyway the next five, six years with Chase, Jefferson and Ladd?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, 100%. So like that's why I'm kind of building this out to just say like there's higher value but like I don't think he said the amount of keepers or I didn't hear it. So if you were to say like oh this is only 5 keepers then it's like okay, well you know you're getting those three wide receivers as your keepers. It's a no brainer. I just think you said it best like this is fine, this is a fine trade. You are not like having a smoking deal. You're not going to run away with this like haha gotcha at all. I think you're paying up, you're paying up a lot of depth but you also are going to have the sickest wide receiver core with two running backs that are going to probably help you carry this year. You'll just have to do some work later. But it should cost. Lads should cost up in any type of keeper. Ish format. So, yeah, I think it's. It's a. It's a fine trade. I'm. I'm down with it. It's just, you know, I think when.

[Andrew Erickson]

Push comes to shove, you're getting the best player in the deal, which is.

[Chris Welsh]

That is something I always look at. That's like the first thing I look at.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Oh, wait, he said Chase Brown, not Jamar Chase. Oh, wait, so he doesn't have Jamar Chase. You got. You got to give us full names. People do that all the time. And we're. If you say Chase.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think he said Chase Brown. Now I think about.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, then I'm an idiot. I. I heard.

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, there's a lot of Chases. They both play for the Bengals. Like it's. It's a. I think you're okay. So then.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, just real quick. That changed it for. From he would have had Jefferson, Sutton and Ridley with Kyron and Chase to now having Jefferson lad somebody. And then.

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, it doesn't really change it for me, honestly.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I guess it doesn't really change it either. It's fine.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

And we could probably run circle. That's all Dynasty is. We could run circles around these trades like a million times over. Perception. Sup?

[Scooby]

Hey, what's going on, guys?

[Andrew Erickson]

Can you hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, we got you good, dude.

[Scooby]

Sweet. I've got a. I guess it's a running backs question just for some context in the league. It's a redraft league. 10 man PPR. You start two running backs, two receivers and two flex. Having the draft tomorrow, so getting my last notes together. My problem is I love the wide receiver value like everywhere. I'm picking at eight in the 10, man. So I'm at the turn. And I love the receivers at rounds one and two and I love the receivers in rounds like five through eight. And so I'm really struggling to find where at on the board I want to invest fixing running back. So I guess. I guess I'm just asking where are you guys lacking the target running backs this year. Do you like going gen T at the 108 and doing a hero running back or do you tend to kick it down the board a little more?

[Chris Welsh]

We'll probably differ a little bit on this. You say genty, I see McCaffrey. I love McCaffrey. I'd probably be fine with Genty. I got to be honest though, like at 8, I'm probably like, you got to give me. It's got to be like a McCaffrey or like if a Saquon fell. Saquon fell to nine in the draft we just did. That's where I would jump on it. Then comparative to the wide receivers, it'd be hard for me to pass on Puka or neighbors. So then I would probably turn my focus to the second round if maybe Genti fell. I'd even be comfortable with a Henry. So here, here's the answer. I am probably more likely to invest in, at minimum one high running back, a heroish running back. And then like you said, I agree with you. Tap those wide receivers. So if I have the eighth pick and I don't remember if you said it was a 10 man, like give me one of those running backs at the first or second round with a wide receiver. Third round we're probably going back to wide receiver and then fourth and fifth. I'm open to still tapping wide receivers, but I'm looking for a couple of those shots at running backs I want. So like in, in theory here, just throwing this out. Here you go. Let's say McCaffrey's at 8 and then you come back around in the second and you get, you know, London or AJ Brown and then you, you know in the third round you're going to take another wide receiver. Let's just call it like DJ Moore. I might look at travy on Henderson in the fourth to get that second running back. And then I'm just tapping those wide receivers. I'm like, please fall to me. Calvin Ridley, give me Ricky Purasol. That's kind of a structure of how I would approach it. Ericsson, where does it differ?

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, I kind of agree with you for the most part. I know. I just like perception was talking about how the receivers at the top of the board are so, so good.

[Chris Welsh]

So good.

[Andrew Erickson]

I just, I feel, I feel so. I like want them so badly on my team. And I understand that there's obviously a drop off at running back, but I'm also, I also understand that this year's crop of running backs with all the rookies, like a lot of after week one, these rookies are going to be viewed very differently. I think like genti is around one pick. Hampton is a round three pick. Henderson, round four, R.G. harvey, round five. These are, I feel like they're gonna move like all over the place, like either up or down. Just based and they could all move up if they all just smash in week one and we're going to be convinced like they all should have been like, you know, top two rounds, running back picture or something along those lines. So look, I'm willing to risk it a little bit and push running back down the board. I also love Genty. I also, I mean I'm not anti Christian McCaffrey. I want to be transparent with that. I'm definitely more anti Sequoia and Barkley this season. But I also understand like when the fantasy playoffs come around, like I. I'm very skeptical that McAffrey is going to be part of your team at that point. Right. I think that he can come out of the gates gun blazing, like on fire and something. I've actually, I was kind of interested in your thoughts. Something I've been toying with when it comes to McCaffrey is like, yeah, you're drafting him, you know, 106, 107, etc. Week one comes, you know, he stays healthy. Just. It's just one week. He just stay healthy for one week. Everyone gets convinced that he's back all the way, wheels up and then you could trade him for anybody.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, if you can. I'm open to it. Sure, I'm open.

[Andrew Erickson]

I just thought it was something I was thinking about now if I was only playing in one league, like I would still go with Genti because again, I want to play the long term game. And I think that Genti is the better long term bet for this year to be there for you all 17 weeks versus McCaffrey who yes, could be better points per game. I'm fully admitted to that. But if he's not there during the fantasy playoffs, like that can only get you so far. I mean, I don't think there's half the battle. But that's another thing else I was, I was thinking about.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I'll just be real quick because I want to get one more question in because we got to get at the top of the hour. But I would say I don't think I would take McCaffrey 18 in the idea that I'm going to immediately flip him. I don't think that's a good idea. But I'm open. If you got him, he fell to the second round. And you want to do that. Sure. Another thing that is happening is a Chan has fallen like crazy. So maybe what you do is if like a neighbors falls to eight, you take neighbors at eight, you see if one of the other really awesome Wide receivers falls to you or a Genti. And if they don't, you can pivot. Take a little bit of a risk on a hero running back like Achan, especially in ppr, and then you just jump back onto those wide receivers. That's something you can do. Scooby, you've had your hand for a while. We've only got like a minute or two, so I want to make sure to get yours. So what you got, Scooby?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, how's it going, guys? Good, dude. So just real quick for context, I'm in a 12 man, PPR ESPN format. I have the third overall pick and.

[Scooby]

I was very comfortable until I just.

[Andrew Erickson]

Brought this up to the mock draft people. But is it too early to reach.

[Scooby]

For Amarian Hampton, that early third round pick? I know my league well and he will not come back to that fourth.

[Andrew Erickson]

Or should.

[Chris Welsh]

You're saying in that. I'm sorry, you're saying a high third round pick.

[Scooby]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

And this is 12 team, you said?

[Scooby]

Yeah, 12 team PPR, ESPN format.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay. No, I don't think so. It's going to. It's always. It's always based around like, what's out there. Like if you were like, well, I'm passing, I'm taking Hampton and this is a horrible example, but like Breeze hall, but like, you know, maybe a Kyren Williams or something is out there. Maybe that's a little pushing it. But there is a weird territory of running backs where like Ken Walker in the issues and Breece hall and losing time and it's like those are common, like third round picks. I don't think it's the worst thing. I would just argue that. I'll bet you a high third round round pick, there's like just better value sitting out there. But what do you think, Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

I. I think round three is really polarizing this year. I think there's a lot of ways that you can go because that's also where you start to see elite quarterback. I mean, if you want to take the safest player on the board in round three, it's like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen.

[Chris Welsh]

Exactly.

[Andrew Erickson]

Like, like that, like that's like the safest pick.

[Chris Welsh]

I love taking Lamar in the third round.

[Andrew Erickson]

You're not. I mean, when, again, like when you're looking at the board, like, like those running backs you just mentioned, like, they have some qualms about them. You know, Trey McBride's another option there where you feel like pretty good about him, but like, like it's Garrett Wilson, it's JSN it's T. Higgins who I do, I feel better about T. Higgins, but like Garrett Wilson, I have definitely cooled on. Like, I don't know how you can feel like significantly better about Garrett Wilson after the last month of jets training camp reports with the passing game just being like very, very lukewarm at best, I would say about, you know, what's Garrett Wilson's upside and really think about round three, you know, is Garrett Wilson in a position where, I mean, I still think that he can be, you know, around his ADP wide receiver 15 area. But if you're in a position where if you reflect on your draft and you're like, man, I, I lost my fancy because I didn't draft Garrett Wilson, like, I, I just, I don't think that's gonna happen. So that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to not return his value. But for him to exceed and bury you, I don't think is necessarily in his range of outcomes unless he really does take that DJ Moore level leap like we saw a couple years ago with Justin Fields and even that point that he was wide receiver six. So he wasn't even a top five wide receiver with Justin Fields. So I think that you can pass on Wilson, whereas with Omarion Hampton, you're, you're taking your shot. Like, there's a story to be told this year where Omarion Hampton was the guy you need, you know, as a first round rookie running back in a super talented class. So I mean, if you would have taken him at the end of round three, I don't see a big difference between take him at the beginning of round three necessarily. But just know like, if you want the safest route, you should just take quarterback.

[Chris Welsh]

I think. And I think there's a, there's a tier of players like if a JSN or a AJ Brown or there's a couple of players like if they were to fall, I do think that's something you would regret. But there are so many players that have these little caveats where if it's like, oh, I'm staring at like Tyree Kill and Garrett Wilson and Breece hall, it's like, yeah, you could take your shot, but I also do, and I do think that you probably already planned this, that you need to be taking wide receivers beforehand.

[Andrew Erickson]

So yeah, someone that has also fallen a lot to me that I've noticed in round three, and it's because of kind of like, it's kind of coincided with like the Chase Brown rise who, who used to be like an auto pick in round three for me. And now he's going around to yeah, Jonathan Taylor sometimes falls in around three and I get, I kind of get why he's falling, but I, I think that he's gonna see enough volume where he'll probably pay off around 3 ADP where I'm definitely more open to taking him because he's usually been around two guy but he's fallen to me in a couple spots where I'm like, well, I don't feel great about any of these other guys. I'll just pick Jonathan Taylor, Bank 300 carries and take it home. Take my ball home with me.

[Chris Welsh]

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