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FantasyPros - Week 1 Fantasy Football Reactions & Injuries + Early Week 2 Waiver Wire (Ep. 1692)
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Dr. Deepak Chona
I appreciate that, Seth. No, we're doing. We're doing well. Everybody in Houston is keeping spirits up. Very intentionally so. We're happy. Overall.
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Seth Wilcock
Awesome. Well, glad to have you in here overall, man. And thanks again for taking the time and also joining us as a man who I can only imagine was hooting, he was hollering today as the Steelers got a big win in New York. He's Scott, big time. Bogman Boggs. How you doing?
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Scott Bogman
I'm good, man. Seven lead changes, heart fluttering the entire game. BP way up. But we'll walk away with the win and we'll be happy about it. So not the biggest fan of Aaron Rodgers, but when he throws four touchdown, he's my guy. So there we go. We're loving it.
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Seth Wilcock
Deepak, what can you give us for like a resting heart rate? Like. Like how to get Boggs is down a little bit because I know it's probably been up the last few days with the Texas game yesterday and the Steelers going back and forth today with the Jets.
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Dr. Deepak Chona
Yeah. You know, all I could tell them would just be do what Aaron Rodgers does. It clearly works.
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Scott Bogman
Lots of sleep, right? That's what it is.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
That's the good.
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Seth Wilcock
Right on. Right on. Watching dolphins and whales mate, I think might be the cure for you, Bogman. Today's show, guys. Looks like this we'll break down the most notable injur Deepak. Then we'll recap all 12 games from the early and afternoon slate, letting you know the biggest fantasy football risers and followers along the way. And before we jump in, shout out to everyone who's rocking and rolling with us on Twitch TV fantasypros. Please be sure to follow and subscribe for our full selection of live interactive content. And if you're with us on playback, either on the YouTube channel or the audio feed, thank you so much. We see you. We we appreciate you. Please do us a quick favor. Give this video a thumbs up if you enjoy this type of content. And make sure you're subscribing to the channel if you're new so you don't miss a moment of content this season. And let's go ahead, gentlemen. Let's jump into the entry front where we got some big news on Thursday and Friday. Deepak San Francisco 49ers running back Christian McCaffrey. He missed practice with a calf injury, but did start on Sunday with that calf strain. Deepak obviously quite a different situation from a year ago because he was out there. He got the volume and and we got those practice news on Thursday again, so it felt like we've seen this movie before. What can you tell us about CMC and what you saw out there today from him?
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Dr. Deepak Chona
Yeah, he looked good. I I doesn't look like they really held back on him at all. They usually don't. With Shanahan and the fact that he was out for just one practice and even that dnp, he was still doing some sort of like athletic motions and a little bit here and there didn't really look overly concerning. And the fact that, you know, He's a age 29 running back, he has that history, you would think they would be conservative with him if he were truly injured or strained. So I, I actually don't even think I would call this version a calf strain. He's going to be a high injury risk for the rest of the year. We have him projected based on injury history, age and usage at double the average running back. But with that being said, when he's out there, he's probably going to look like he did today in that he's one of the top scorers of the week. So I would keep on using him as long as he's healthy.
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Seth Wilcock
So Bogman, from a fantasy perspective, if you don't have Christian McCaffrey on your team, are you rostering guys like Brian Robinson Jr. Or Isaac Garrendo currently Brian Robinson for sure.
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Scott Bogman
I think it's a pretty big margin of it's pretty big gap between B. Rob and Garendo in my opinion. So B Rob is the guy to have, but obviously he's not going to be on many wires. Hopefully if you drafted cmc, you also you have got him handcuffed with Robinson late in the process there. But that would be the guy to roster should anything happen to CMC. And I have 0 share, I have 1 share of the team. I split with the Welsh, who's the Niner fan of CMC for that reason.
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Seth Wilcock
Well, I'm glad to hear that. And also we did get some news on the injury front. A little clarification from a Friday night injury. Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Xavier Worthy, he suffered a dislocated shoulder Friday night in Brazil when Travis Kelce ran into him when running across the middle, per Ian Rappaport. We got this update. Worthy suffered a dislocated shoulder. Still undergoing some tests to determine the severity of that, but they are hopeful that he can make a return sometime this season with a brace. However, surgery is an option. Deepak, if Worthy was your client, what would you be recommending for the dislocated shoulder and what do you think this means for a timetable for return?
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Dr. Deepak Chona
Yeah, so from it depends kind of on what your goals are from the standpoint of minimizing the risk of future dislocations. That's definitely the operative treatment. Pretty much right after the first dislocation what happens is you get some tearing and sometimes even a fracture in there. And if they're saying that he is hopeful that he's coming back with non operative treatment, usually by now from a Friday injury they'd have the results of the MRI and they would have a preliminary plan and usually just pending a second opinion. So the overall sort of thought process often with these shoulder dislocations is that you can return, you can try to wear a brace. It the redislocation rates are really high. They're 50% in season for NFL players and we're only a week one. So with that in mind, you also have to factor in that he is on the lighter side. So every hit is relatively a little bit more energy for his body to absorb. With that being said, he's probably going to come back. The average timeline for non operative treatment is about three weeks. So you would expect somewhere in that range for him to come back or at least attempt to, I think overhead motion and specifically kind of reaching up for those catches. That's where the shoulder tends to be a little bit more unstable. So that's going to be a position that I don't know if we're going to see from him necessarily. But for the rest of basically his game you probably see a relatively good performance when he's active and healthy. Now if he redislocates, that usually would mean a season ender in that then at that point the shoulder is increasingly unstable and you may be sacrificing the long term by pushing it, pushing through it even further.
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Seth Wilcock
So Bogman, hearing this two part question one, where is worthy for you rest of season in your rankings and also how much fab are you spending on Hollywood Brown who just had an absolute gainer of a game 10 for 99 on Friday night in Brazil?
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, I haven't just my rankings yet. I'm waiting for obviously the rest of week one to happen. So. But he will obviously move down if he's going to miss about a month here or three weeks or whatever it is. But yeah, Marquis Brown goes up 16 targets in that game. I don't think they're going to be playing for behind like that all the time. But he is a really big option with Rice down and now Worthy down for an extended period of time. I have heard, you know, and after Miami's performance today, maybe a little Tyreek Hill back to the Kansas City Chiefs would be an interesting move. I don't know if that's logistical with salary caps and all that stuff, but maybe something that they're thinking about coming off, you know, two down wide receivers and a loss to start this.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, it's kind of a tough scene out there if you have a lot of Kansas City Chiefs fantasy options. You know, we got Rasheed Rice on the shelf for at least five more games and then at the same time wasn't great for that backfield as well with Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pacheco really kind of splitting some of that workload there. Let's go to Las Vegas where Raiders tight end Brock Bowers he left with a knee injury after he went for over 100 yards on five receptions. He said he's fine afterwards, there are no concerns moving forward. Deepak, do you trust the talented second year tight ends? Word on that?
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Dr. Deepak Chona
I actually do, yeah. There's the the mechanism was relatively mild appearing. The knee didn't really buckle. It bent a little bit inwards so you think maybe he sprained it. But with that being said, he was up and pretty active on the sideline as well and so overall it sounds like it truly was a precaution. I do believe that in the sense that he probably could have played through it if it were, for example, a playoff game. Oftentimes you'd get an MRI just to kind of make sure that there was no meniscal injury or anything that needed taken care of or potentially should be on his radar. But in general, if he's feeling pretty good at this point, I would suspect that he returns to practice this week without major issue bugs.
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Seth Wilcock
Will there be any adjustment for you in your rankings? Because not only did we have this little bit of a knee thing flare up, but the usage for him in the first half was strange with Michael Mayer seeing a ton of snaps.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, I mean I do not care about one of the very few players that I don't care about the snaps with is Brock Bowers. And I am just so glad that Deepak is giving us, you know, potential good news here. Obviously we have to get the report back from the team, but real big bullet I dodged here because I also have one of the other tight ends a bunch of shares of. So uh, yeah, I'm just happy that he's going to be out there. It is weird. We'll get more into that later. Seth but not too worried about Bowers if this injury turns up to be not much.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay. And wanted to shout out a couple people who just followed us on Twitch TV Fantasy pros Venaco, Orb, J Buca, Drew York, TT Dam, Tom Texan, Hurricane and also Grand American Kano. Thank you guys so much. We just actually passed 2,000 followers right here on Twitch. So thank you so much for that. We really, really appreciate that. Toby Afro Mango DKG also following us as well. So thank you so much for that. Let's go to Drake London here Deepak where he exited late with what looked like to be an upper body injury. Do you have any updates on what this might look like with Atlanta Falcons wide receivers?
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Dr. Deepak Chona
Yeah, so they he was questionable is what they called it. But he it was towards the end of the game it looked with about two and a half minutes left he came down on that shoulder pretty hard. And that I think would result in most commonly an AC joint sprain. You know the average on these is tends to be a little bit of a milder side one to two weeks. With that being said, you know the severity is hard to tell just from the video itself. So we'll just have to monitor his return to practice. Typically if players are able to log at least two limited practices this the week leading up to the game they would play. So that'll be kind of the threshold. Hopefully we'll see him out there at least by Wednesday. Thursday.
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Seth Wilcock
Bogman, are there any pickups for you from this Atlanta pass catching group? Darnell Mooney, of course, rolled out before we even got to the game. And then Ray. Ray McLeod does what he does best, man. It just continues to make a little bit of a difference after, you know, being really a return specialist for the early part of his career. Three receptions, 51 yards. Anyone worth scouring out there on the waivers for?
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Scott Bogman
Probably not on the wires. I mean, Ray Ray would be the guy, but maybe in DFS if Mooney misses again and London's down. Casey Washington led them in in snaps among wide receivers, and I believe routes run as well, so might be an interesting one more for deep, deep leagues or, you know, DFS or something like that.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay, George Kittle rolled out. You mentioned it earlier. Bogman, you alluded to it. Tight end for The San Francisco 49ers rolled out with a hamstring deepak. Is this one of those situations where it's, you know, the early season hamstring, they miss one to three weeks and eventually get back on the field? Or is this worse or better than that, you think?
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Dr. Deepak Chona
I would say because of the player, it's a little bit worse in the sense that he is age 31. He has a soft tissue history, including a hamstring history himself. Now, it sounds like it was actually the other hamstring that was most recently affecting him, but nonetheless, he's got a lot of soft tissue injuries. So the average, as you mentioned, is about two to three weeks on these hamstring strains. You saw him pull up after the play. He didn't fall to the ground or anything like that. That would suggest that it was, what, an automatically severe level. But I would say when you pull up like that, usually you're seeing at least that high end of mild or in the moderate category where you'd call it two to three weeks as a reasonable expectation. The return is kind of a subjective thing in terms of how aggressive players and teams want to be with it. They return early, they have a higher RE injury risk, and the performance dip is usually not that severe, usually about 15% the first week back. So you would expect him to play relatively well as long as he can avoid re injury. But that's going to be the key. Some. Some of these are up to about a 25 re injury risk.
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Seth Wilcock
And did you see what happened to Juwan Jennings late in that game? Too. We saw him exit when the 49ers were, you know, getting back into this one, so. And any idea on what Jennings timeline might be and what that injury that he did suffer? And you're not a surprise with him. I feel like sitting out a lot of training camp.
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Dr. Deepak Chona
Yeah, you know, it's. It's unclear to me what exactly the injury was. I haven't seen the video yet, but he left the game, reported a shoulder injury. So I'll. I'll be looking into that and definitely update y', all, but I don't have anything on it yet.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay, no worries. Bogman, what does this mean for the 49ers pass catchers? Is it just wheels up here for Ricky Pierce all the rest of the way?
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, I mean, going into last year, I was like, I don't. When. When is Ricky Pierce all going to get on the field? They have Debo, they have iuk, they have Kittle, they have cmc. Like they. There's going to be no footballs for him and now almost everybody's dead except for cmc, so. Or go. Obviously IU gone a bunch of injuries here, so yeah, Ricky Piersoll is going to be wheels up and luckily there are a bunch of tight ends that we can probably add coming off week one with some good performances here. So not. Hopefully this is not very long, but if it is, we. We have some plans for it.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay. Awesome. Awesome. And Deepak, let's get you out on this, man. Do you have any updates on either Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver Chris Godwin, who wasn't out there this week, or Houston Texans running back Joe Mixon? Are we thinking we're going to see mixing at all this year? Do you think we see Godwin within the next few weeks?
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Dr. Deepak Chona
Yeah. So Godwin probably is returning to practice pretty soon here. They've reported that they were looking at a week five target, which kind of made sense with him not being on the pup. Now the question with Godwin is really like, when can you use him in your fantasy lineup confidently? And I would tell you that probably isn't going to be for the first several weeks back. Usually with these ankle fractures and dislocations, you see about a 12 month hit to their performance. That's pretty noticeable. About 20% was what we projected. That was keeping in mind that potentially a very smooth recovery process. And so we don't really know how smooth or how not smooth Godwin's has been. He had a second surgery, so it implies maybe there was some issues with the recovery process, but Then at the same time they gave him a long term contract knowing everything about his injury. So with that in mind, I, I would say Godwin, I would not anticipate using him before week eight, but I think we're going to see him on the field around that week five or six timeline. And then regarding Joe Mixon, unfortunately a lot less optimism there. There's really no update that's been had, but if you, if you look back at his injury timeline, it's reportedly already been around three or four months. So most non operatively treated injuries by this time they would be essentially healed. And I'm not sure if we're going to see a drastic difference over the course of the next, let's say four weeks or six weeks. And that's the part that becomes concerning at what point is like some intervention, what's needed and that would then shut him down for the year. So I, I am not as optimistic on mixing, but definitely more so on Godwin towards the back half of the year.
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Seth Wilcock
So Bog staying kind of on that mix and Texans beat there. Do we just keep rolling out Nick Chubb? I mean he had 12, 13 carries today. He looked good at the end of the game. Once the defense got worn down, a Goomba Walley fumbled that game away for Deepak's Texans. So do you think it's, you know, maybe taking a little bit away from him, a little bit away from Pierce, or are you really just hoping he falls in the end zone if you're starting the Chubb right now?
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Scott Bogman
I mean, I think it's, you know, it is Nick Chubb right now. If you're looking at a Texans running back, that's the guy. So, you know, if mixing is going to be out long term, kind of like Breece hall to get moved at some point if the jets start, you know, keep losing games, I should say. But that offense looked good so. And he looked like the forefront of it. So maybe that those rumors are dead. I think the ETN rumors are dead as well. So it's probably wheels up for Nick Chubb moving forward here.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay, well, Deepak, thanks so much for all your injury insight tonight, man. Can you let everyone know who isn't familiar with your work where they can find it?
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Dr. Deepak Chona
Totally. You can find me basically on any social media platform, mostly Instagram, YouTube and Twitter or X. So just search Deepak Chona my name or Sports Med analytics and will come up and I am all in favor of that rumor that you just started there with resolution.
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Seth Wilcock
Let's go Deepak. Thanks Again, make sure you guys are checking out all of Deepak's work. And coming up on the other side of this great ad read we have for you is our game breakdowns for all the Sunday action. So let's hit that and tell a little bit more about the fantasy pros Discord community.
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Scott Bogman
Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.
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Seth Wilcock
Did you see the Colts pretzel?
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Scott Bogman
That was my other big takeaway from.
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Dr. Deepak Chona
What was that?
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Seth Wilcock
Looks like something that should not be sold.
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Scott Bogman
Oh my.
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Seth Wilcock
So that was my other big Colts takeaway.
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Scott Bogman
I sold that.
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Seth Wilcock
Yes. Might want to go back to the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back.
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Scott Bogman
To the drawing board on that.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.
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Seth Wilcock
It's worked for generations.
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Scott Bogman
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age.
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Dr. Deepak Chona
He's a young 73.
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Scott Bogman
He is a young 73. He is spry.
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Seth Wilcock
I wouldn't fight him.
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Scott Bogman
I would listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Seth Wilcock
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Scott Bogman
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Scott Bogman
I think panic is definitely striking. Like this was the thing, you know, McDaniel one of the highest odds coaches to get fired early. So yeah, I think, I think they're worried about it for fantasy. I mean, Tyrique and Waddle are a little worrisome, but I think they'll get it together and I think they'll be better moving forward. This time of possession just got out of hand. 3843 to 21 17. You're not going to get anything done offensively if you're only holding the ball for 21 minutes. So, yes, it was a bad offensive performance, really. We might need to worry more about that Miami defense not being able to get a damn stop, right? And obviously you can't turn the ball over, but they made quick scores out of most of those. So, you know, I think two is going to be better. This was a bad game for him, but really, that lopsided time of possession was the big thing here. And Jonathan Taylor looked good. He played 100% of the snaps while they were in the first half when they were winning and they didn't pull him and put in DJ until that game was in hand.
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Seth Wilcock
Caught some passes, too. Finally, three for 27 out of the bat.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
And Giddens came in and looked okay. Tyler Warren made his debut here. Nine. Nine targets, seven catches, 86 yards. And he ran the most routes among tight ends as well. Usually the Colts like to mix a lot here, but Pittman got in for a touchdown as well. Daniel Jones. So here's my one little worry coming out of this game is that Daniel Jones scored twice at the goal line. Is he going to take carries away from jt? Because we saw JT not do much scoring here. I mean, great game for him. 18 for 71 and three catches for 27 yards. Look good, but didn't get in that end zone. D.J. was, you know, sniped his TDs here, so hopefully we get that figured out. Achan way over Ollie Gordon. All Ollie Gordon stuff was overblown a little bit here, I think, to start the year at least. And Achan got the ball. 34, 47 snaps, only 12 for Ali, and it was 10 touches to three in favor of HN as well. So I think. I think that stuff was a little overblown. A Little worried about JT's touchdowns with Daniel Jones sneaking at the goal line, but. And I'm worried about two in the offense, but more Miami defense.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, I'm there with you. And honestly, like, can we get a shout out to our guy, Tyler Warren? Like, will the real Tyler Warren Truthers please stand up? Because Bogman, what an absolute clinic. This guy put on 7 for 76 on nine targets and a rush for 3 yards. Caught three receptions on that first drive. I think he's really starting to eat into this Josh Downs role like a lot of us were projecting here. So what are your thoughts here? I'm going to reset myself and tell us your thoughts on Tyler Warren.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, okay. I wasn't really sure where we were going with that, but, yeah, Tyler Warren, I mean, he looked good. You know, I mentioned that before a little bit. Where, you know, last season and traditionally the Colts have used multiple tight ends, but this season, we saw it in the preseason from week one. Right. It was all Tyler Warren on that first try with the starters and lots and lots of Tyler Warren here. 53 snaps for him, 24 routes run, only 23 for Mo. Ali Cox are 33 with 10 routes run and only 6 for Ogletree. So your man running the routes is Warren for sure.
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Seth Wilcock
Well, and here's an interesting nugget I put out on socials earlier today. Bogman Tyler Warren, 31% target share in week one tight end target share leaders in 2024, Trey McBride, 28%. Brock Bowers, 26%. Travis Kelsey, 23%. So I think you got yourself a top five tight end if you invested in Tyler Warren. That's where I had him ranked and I was way ahead of ecr, but hopefully, you know, a lot of people started catching up by the end.
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Scott Bogman
Not allowed for downs either. Downs had, what was it, three targets, two catches, 12 yards. When they had the ball that much, I mean, they ran a lot, but little concerning for Downs as well.
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Seth Wilcock
I've kind of figured that Warren would almost kind of overtake him for that role. So not totally shocked. Anything else from you from a fantasy perspective from this game, like Achan, only player in double digits for the Dolphins saved kind of by that late game touchdown. Tyreek very frustrated on the sideline. Waddle in and out of the medical tent as well.
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Scott Bogman
I'm gonna save my panic for one more game.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay.
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Scott Bogman
Right. I just think this lopsided time of possession was the big thing, but if they can't hold the ball and they're going to be well under 30 minutes every single game, then that's going to be a problem.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay. All right. Next up, in a game that had a projected total that crept under 37 points by kickoff, the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the New York Jets 34 32, thanks to a 60 yard field goal from the wizard of Boz, baby. Both offense pretty efficient in this one. Surprisingly, five yards per play for the Steelers, 6.4 YPA for the jets and four touchdowns for Rodgers in his Steelers debut. Four different players catching those. Huge day for Justin Fields, though, from a fantasy perspective. Boggs 16, 22, 218 and one through the air, 12 for 48 and two on the ground. Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, they did their things. They both went over 95 yards. And while there was some truth to the jets going to a committee, we saw them really lean on hall down the stretch. And meanwhile for the Steelers though, it was like, I think they weren't lying about Caleb Johnson being third on the depth chart. So who were the fantasy football winners and losers from just an explosive game in Ethanford?
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Scott Bogman
I mean, it has to be. Gainwell is the biggest winner here, right? I mean, because he had more snaps, more routes than the other running backs here and Caleb got nothing. He had two snaps in this game outside of kick returns. Right, which he fumbled one of them. I don't know why he's returning kicks. It's not really built for that. So I just. Gainwell was 29 and 56. He ran 16 routes. Warren had more touches, of course, 11 and 37 and he scored the touchdown. So I still think it's Warren by a decent margin here, but it's gained well over Caleb for now. That doesn't mean drop Caleb, right? Because remember what we did when people were dropping Chase Brown last year and he had the enormous season? Or was that two years ago? Everything's mixing for me now. But yeah, it was a mix. Specifically that first drive for the Jets. I know you were paying attention, Seth, because this is our Steelers. But Braylon Allen and. And Isaiah Davis both got carries on that first drive. So I was like, right, are we going to be leaning more towards a real committee? That is not how it ended up. 37 snaps for Breeze. He also had 21 touches to six for Allen. He did score a touchdown. Isaiah Davis got in as well. But I just. I'm not worried about Breece. Breeze is the best running back by a lot on this team. I'm worried about Breeze's maybe goal line carries because Fields had two touchdowns and Braylon had one. Yeah, but that. That's my only real worry. I mean, Taylor played a lot, which was nice to see, but only the one target because the jets want to run the ball and they did so very effectively against the Steelers here.
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Seth Wilcock
Want to shout out a couple new subscribers here who just upped with Prime. Totally rad cow just subbed with prime and M. Johnson Jr 23 Capspur 2522 also subbing with Prime, Melson as wheel as well, just sub with Prime. So very exciting stuff there. But Bogman, let's go ahead. Let's go to Duvall where weather delay there. But it didn't stop the Jaguars from beating the Panthers 26 to 10. What are your opinions here on this game, Boggs?
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, let's. I mean let's just start. I think maybe you need to go in and come out again, Sethi, because your nets a little garbled here. But let's just start out with the Jacksonville running back situation here. Man, ETN look great. He looks so good. 16 for 143, 3 for 13 in the air. I believe Quint Allen was the second guy to get touches here. Almost nothing in this run game. Bigsby 14 snaps, la Quint Allen 9. Tutin only had 4. But ETN seems to be the guy here in Jacksonville. This is a situation that I was worried about going in so I kind of avoided. But my whole thought process was, look, I think ETN is the guy. Let's go with ETN here. And that is what it wound up being. Unfortunately, I think I only have one or two shares because I was too much of a coward to buy on a running back here in this situation. And Carolina last season, of course historically bad run defense. So it has not improved even though we thought maybe it would. But I mean Bryce Young look ugly, man. He did not look good either. 18 for 35, 154 yards, two picks. He ran for 40. Tet looked okay. Lots of targets. Nine. He led them nine targets, five catches, 68 yards. Nobody else really did much. There wasn't a tight end to pull from this ugly performance from Carolina. So am I worried about Carolina? Maybe a little. But this, this looked bad. Bryce Young looked back. Hubbard was fine. Tet look fine. So if they can get Bryce Young back to somewhat normal. And now that the Jags have a real coaching staff, maybe they're just a good team. That roster has always been pretty good, but the coaching has been miserable there for a while. So Jags might be pretty dangerous here. Panthers look pretty bad though. So I'm curious to see next week. Which one is more truthful. Are the Jags really good or the Panthers really bad again? My gut tells me the Panthers are pretty bad again.
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Seth Wilcock
Do you think if you're an ETN manager, this is the time to get out? While his values had an all time high, I mean we were drafting ETN 8th, 9th, sometimes 10th round. So I think you could probably get a pretty Good return on investment there.
- [33:21]
Scott Bogman
Yeah, I mean, I think if I, if I invested in etn, I kind of want to hold him right now. He looks good, he's a good flex option. There are some injuries today and there will be moving forward. So I think for the most part, you're probably not going to get what you want back for etn. Now, look, you know, float them, get that offer that you can't refuse back and take it. Right. Do one of those. But I think for the most part, I'm not doing a fair trade of Travis CTN right now.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay. And as far as the Panthers go, like, I want to give this a little bit of time. I mean, we have Hunter Renfro out there running routes. Right. You know, and nothing against Hunter Renfro, but Xavier Leggette, like, we need to see more from this guy. He continues to get a ton of targets, seven targets, but just made nothing absolutely work with them. So that, that was a real bummer. But I think once we get, you know, Jalen Coger, Ash cokeheads back in the action, maybe it's a little bit better down the stretch here.
- [34:17]
Scott Bogman
Yeah, I think so too. And going back to. I didn't even mention Travis Hunter, but led this team in. Targets look good, play both sides of the ball. So btj, a bad day. I'm not worried about btj. I'm just not. So anyone wants to hit the panic button, trade with me. I'll take him. You should be. If people are worried, you should be trying to acquire him right now. I still scored a touchdown on the ground, so yeah, yeah, I'm. I like the way this Jags offense looked, but this is a cupcake here. This is like playing Charleston Southern to open your season. This is not great. So hopefully the Jags can continue this role.
- [34:54]
Seth Wilcock
Editor in Chief Mike Mayer in the chat saying, so many people owe Travis ETN an apology. His demise was greatly exaggerated. And Lone star. I'm sorry, ETN, I wasn't familiar with your game. This was the 2023 ETN, right. It just, you know, maybe skip the year. So great.
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Scott Bogman
Might have been the Clemson etn, right.
- [35:13]
Seth Wilcock
We saw here, right? Yeah, absolutely. Great to see that. And overall, you know, I think brighter days are ahead for Carolina and, you know, great first outing for Jacksonville. Let's move forward though, to a game that came down to the end. But the Arizona Cardinals beat the New Orleans Saints 20 to 13. Pretty even game overall in terms of efficiency. Saints even holding a 34 to 26 minute time of possession advantage here. Boggs where do you want to start? From a fantasy perspective because pretty interesting usage both out of the Saints pass catchers and the Cardinals backfield.
- [35:47]
Scott Bogman
Yeah, I mean I think the Cardinals backfield is the most interesting one. Right. Like James Conner was the the lead guy here, 12 for 39. He also caught the touchdown but Benson mixed in more eight carries for 69. This the snap split was 43 for Connor to 22 for Benson. So over half still going to James Conner and I think that's going to just continue to be the way it goes. But Benson is going to get mixed in here and falling knife for Connor. He is an older back who's had an injury history so I think it makes sense. But I'm good with this mix. If this is the mix that we have moving forward, I'm good with it. It makes Benson a little more valuable than we thought. Maybe Connor a slightly less valuable than we thought but still an RB2, so. But if Benson creeps in more, maybe I'll start worrying about Connor a little bit and getting touchdowns but you know, Connor getting the score and more carries. We're all good there.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you there for sure. And for the Saints, let's talk about Juwan Johnson, former Penn state Nittany Lion, 11 for 8, 11 targets, 8 receptions, 76 yards for Johnson here and at the same time, like Chris Olavi didn't put it down on the stat sheet but 13 targets for him. He was in and out of this game with a potential injury. I think he is healthy moving forward though. So Bogman, thoughts on the overall Saints target pecking order here?
- [37:05]
Scott Bogman
Yeah, I mean they're going to have a lot of passes, man, rattler through 46 in this first game here. So they're going to be losing a lot of games and playing from behind a lot. So when I talked about George Kittle, Juwan Johnson is our game plan here that he was like going to be tight end number one. So many targets here. We know Chris Olave has the big injury history as well. So if it's going to be Rattler and Juwan Johnson is going to be on the field a lot, he's a good tight end. If you, if one of yours got hurt or if you decided to skip that and your tight end did not perform well this week like Juwan Johnson is there for sure. Love all these targets for Olave. Hopefully he's going to stay upright for a long time. And Shahid had nine targets as well. Like these pass catchers need to be picked up because the Saints are going to be losing most games and yeah, these guys were good. I wish we had a little more for Camara still. 59 and 75 snaps and I wanted.
- [38:01]
Seth Wilcock
More receptions for him. I wanted more targets because last time, you know, we saw Spencer Rattler out there, he had 54, 55 receiving yards in those last two games. So I was disappointed. I was also on the over of his receiving yards too. So a little bit maybe biased there, but I I would like to see a little bit more Kamara. Well, you know, a little blessed. Kendra Miller.
- [38:20]
Scott Bogman
The good news is Miller only had 11 snaps out of 75. Neil only had seven. So only 18 snaps for the two backs behind Camara when he had 59. So it's still Camara by a landslide.
- [38:33]
Seth Wilcock
Okay. All right. Well, good to know. There anything else for you in this one? I mean it was great to see Marvin.
- [38:40]
Scott Bogman
We like that. Trey McBride led in targets so that was good. Kyler was his usual meh. So pretty standard Cardinals game there.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah. And as even Mike says in the chat, call of Duty isn't even out yet. So that drop off will come, folks. That drop off will come 100%. Let's keep it moving here though. And before we do, I I did want to say if Juwan Johnson is someone that you want to add from the waivers, if you think he might be a good ad, first, tread carefully. Let's not go drop all our fab like we did last year on Isaiah. Likely guilty as charged, but also don't miss out on snagging potential difference makers like him. Use the Waiver Central tool@fantasypros.com MyPlaybook or on the Fantasy Pros app to instantly view suggestions on who you should add and who you should drop. It's been a lifesaver tool for me in the past. I hope it is for you as well. And it was another low scoring NFC east affair in the nation's capital as the Washington Commanders they took down the Giants 21 to 7 6. Giants pretty putrid offensively here. Boggs averaging just 3.7 yards per play gross as a result. Pretty much all their skill players really came in under projections. Malik Neighbors salvaged his day 12.1 PPR points. Wanda Robinson continued to do his thing too. 11.5. Meanwhile for Washington, pretty slow start for Scary Terry. I was on that under of his receiving yard so I kind of saw that one coming. But big days for Debo, Samuel, Jecori, Krosky, Merritt, AKA Bill. So where do you want to start with this one, Boggs.
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Scott Bogman
Let's start with Bill. I mean, the Bill breakout, right? This is 10 carries for 82 yards and a score. Caught one ball for nothing, but he was number two here. It was 33 for Eckler, it was 23 for Bill, and it was 13 for McNichols. And I thought maybe we would get some a nice Bill day because Chris Rodriguez was inactive before the game. But he looked great. He looked better than Eckler. So I think that this is going to move more towards Bill Crosky, Merritt moving forward. And if you drafted him late, you snagged him on the cheap. You did a great job. Debo was so good, too, man. Debo 10 targets, 7 catches, 77 yards. Also had the rush for a touchdown. And, you know, look, they got rid of B, Rob. I thought that was kind of crazy because I thought, you know, what do you have? You have A slowback and C, Rod, you have an okay guy in McNichols. And then you have two pass catchers. But Bill is proving to be way more than a pass catcher right now, so he looks very strong. So. And Debo working in this run game as well. Like, they're figuring it out and it worked today. I think the Giants defense is pretty good, but their offense might be just as bad as their defense is good. Man, this was awful. Dude. Say, 20 missed passes for Russ. 17 of 37 for 168 yards, ran for 44. But he has to be better. This was pathetic. So we're going to see a change at quarterback real quick. If Russell Wilson does not get this straightened out next week, I would assume that you got to have a plan to put somebody else in. Tracy, he had 50 of 68 snaps. Singletary and Scatter Boo got nothing, which is kind of what we thought when Scatter Boo missed a bunch of camp with the groin thing. He was going to be behind to start the year. Right.
- [42:01]
Seth Wilcock
I got to say, though, Scatterboo looked so good in fast blocking, he absolutely pancakes someone. And even the couple times that he caught the ball out of the backfield, he leveled a few players. So, like, I'm still holding on to Scatter Boo. I'm not dropping him in any leagues, are you?
- [42:15]
Scott Bogman
No, absolutely not. So, no, I'm not. I'm not going to the wire and dropping Scatter Boo. Singletary got nothing here. You could, if you were rostering him, even a deep league, I think he can go. The weird thing was Slayton played the most snaps and didn't see a reception in this game, it was all neighbors and won Dale. But I mean, with only four, what was that, 13, 17 completions, I guess it's not that surprising. I saw about 14 balls bounce off of Theo Johnson's hands. What's up with your boy Seth? Dude can't catch the ball. He's got pan hands. Good God.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
So Ertz caught the touchdown. I'm not too worried about Terry McLaurin quite yet. But Deebo looked real good. He's going to take a little steam away. And so, so did cross the merit. But the 14 points, I think this was just a nice defensive game that Washington came out on the side of because Russell couldn't do anything.
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Seth Wilcock
Yep. Good day to be on the under fits. And I gave that one out on The Betting Pros YouTube live stream this morning. So excited about that one. Shout out to a couple new followers here be Flux T. Savage and cheeky. Thank you guys so much. We really, really appreciate that. And it was a game that came down to kicking as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they beat the Atlanta Falcons 23 20. No turnovers for either team. Pretty clean game really. Kind of turned into a field position battle. Who had the ball last late in that one? Ameca Buka got his career off to a great start. Two touchdowns in his debut. Mike Evans found double digit fantasy points in a very tough matchup against cornerback A.J. terrell, as did Bucky Irving. Meanwhile, the Falcons, they finally did it, Bob. And they finally got the usage we wanted for their skill position players. Man. Bijon, largely ineffective on the ground, but he did take six receptions for 100 yards and a touchdown. Kyle Pitts, he had eight targets for seven receptions, 59 yards and yes, 17 or 15 targets. Excuse me, for Drake, London, 15. So are you encouraged by what you saw out of both the Buccaneers and Falcons offensive pieces?
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Scott Bogman
Yeah. I mean, how could he not be right? Like, this is what we wanted for Bijon, for Drake, for Pitts, and it's happening right now. Almost 300 yards passing. Like you said, they couldn't really run. Nobody could run. Tyler Algier didn't have a good day running 2.4 yards per carry, less for Bajan, but he made his place in space, which is exactly what you want. Like I mentioned before, Casey Washington led this team in wide receiver snaps and routes. 72 of 76 snaps, 46 routes for him. London, 67 of 76. Obviously hurt his shoulder at the end. But Ray. Ray was behind but obviously had more catches than Washington. But Washington had more targets. So like I said, if London Mrs. Casey Washington might be a little bit interesting, that's all. But I mean let's talk the big story here. Seth A. Mecca Igbuka with the big breakout game, man, I thought maybe it would take a little bit for him to get ramped up and raring to go and all that stuff. But with Mike Evans being tailed by Terrell as you mentioned, it was, this was a great game and I mean Mayfield missed that one by just the slightest of margins to be a pick that ended up for a touchdown. But man, Egg Buka was routing those dudes up. Pits look good. This was, this is the opposite of the Washington in the Giants game. Everything looked pretty positive here for the most part. Outside of maybe Kate Otten not getting some catches and Drake London being up.
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Seth Wilcock
A little bit this week.
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Scott Bogman
Odd and was yeah, like Bucky. Bucky wasn't great but he still caught a touchdown. Yeah, I think everything else is pretty solid.
- [45:52]
Seth Wilcock
Yeah, I'm very, very happy, man. I. The only thing I'm like upset about with Ameca Buka is I drafted him so much in best ball in early redraft in Dynasty but when it got to like the late redraft leagues, I just didn't have a shot at him. He was going fifth six round at times. So yeah, people knew. People caught on. But definitely I saw someone in the chat saying like one of the best rookie wide receiver performance we've seen here. Beef saying a Mecca might be him for once. The rookie height paid off for week one. It absolutely did, my friend. Thanks so much for hanging out with us. Let's move forward here where even after playing their starters in the preseason, the Cincinnati Bengals failed to cover, beating The Cleveland Browns 17 16. Super sluggish start for Cincy here, man. 2.9 yards per play. As far as the the efficiency metrics that I've dove into so far tonight, Boggs, it's the worst on the slate. Their line absolutely Cheeks. I mean it is terrible. Their defense could not get off the field. This led to just 113 yards passing from Joe Burrow. Terrible games for just about everyone but Chase Brown, who had a ton of volume, bad efficiency, you know, got in the end zone, caught a couple passes, saved his days. Meanwhile, man, the Browns really good outings for rookies. Dylan Sampson, Harold Fannin Jr. The talented tight end from the Mac Baby Bowling Green, really, really good stuff from them. Third year wide receiver Cedric Tillman caught a touchdown. But Boggs, I do want to start with the Cincinnati Bengals because every year it feels like it's just a rinse and repeat that they're going to be better days ahead for the Bengals offensive players. This defense is bad, but is it so bad to the point where they're not going to be able to get off the field and the Bengals aren't going to get as many drives as we'd like that these players we took in the first two rounds of drafts end up not returning value?
- [47:38]
Scott Bogman
Man, I, yeah, I had Burrow as my number one quarterback this week going up against the Browns. I thought they were going to be in a nice shootout here with the Browns. But you, you said it absolutely correct. Like the defense could not get on the field. Time of possession was 35:49 to 24:11 in this game in favor of the Browns whose offense is not great. Right. Like it shouldn't be good. It was great today. They had the ball the whole game. But that O line looked terrible. They couldn't stop anything. It seemed like every third down Joe Flacco had a completion on and I mean 31 of 45, 290 yards, a touchdown. The two picks obviously sank them, but Dylan Sampson looked good. 12 of 29, six target or eight targets and eight catches for 64. Ford didn't get much. Ford led in snaps, but Sampson was getting all the touches and Rocket Sanders took the goal line snaps.
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Seth Wilcock
Well, if you, if you remember too, in that game, Sampson got into the end zone and he, he got called back and that. And then they put in Rocket Sanders, of course. So I don't want to overreact to that. But your boy Rob, but he got three carries.
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Scott Bogman
Rocket. Rocket got three.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah.
- [48:51]
Scott Bogman
Nobody else got another goal line carry. So. And I think that was probably, you know, Judkins was going to be the main back here before all that off the field stuff happened. So. But yeah, you're right. Fannin is the guy to talk about here. Nine targets, seven catches, 63 yards. I mean, Njoku ran more routes, 41. But there were 32 routes on this field for Fannin today. Now look, they held the ball for 35 minutes. That's a big chunk. I don't think he's going to have that every single week, but if he keeps performing like this. This was my worry for in Joku because we've already seen the Browns do this to Injoku before. Fannin is a, he is a big slot more than he is a tight end. Right. He's a move piece. He's not going to be on the line. He's not going to be in line snapping and blocking. They're going to have in Joku do that if Fannin is the third receiver here. So a little worried about Njoku because of how good Fannin was specifically week one. We've seen the Bengals have terrible week ones before. I believe last year they lost New England so let's hope they can regroup and get this offense firing. But this was a pathetic showing in week one. Terrible showing against a team that is expected to be rough in Cleveland. They look good. They could have, they should have won this game and Cincinnati somehow stole it from them. But yeah, it did not look great for the Cincy offense that we're expecting a ton from. But I expect it to get way better next week.
- [50:15]
Seth Wilcock
Yeah man, I'm so mad at myself for betting them ats today. Like I, I, I was on it right team total. So I pulled off and then I get went right back. I almost considered the team total too. I wanted some piece of this and I just, just man, yeah they really laid an egg once again. But things better days ahead. Don't panic if you have Chase. I know a lot of people I'm seeing the comments come in. They're upset with him, they're upset with D. Higgins, Joe Burrow. Better days are ahead. And I'm with you on Phantom man. I've known a Joku exposure all across all my leagues, even in best ball just because I, I mean dude, go look. Guys, do yourself a favor, after the show go look up Harold Fannin Jr's college stats from 2024.
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Scott Bogman
He set the record for tight end receptions, yards and touchdowns last year. He was awesome.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, even. Even against the big teams, the Texas A and M's, the Penn States, the guy could not be stopped. And I think he's proving once again why he is the pride of Canton, Ohio, baby. So shout out to Harold Fannin Jr Dylan Sampson. Is he a guy? Like what are we thinking? Where are we ranking him next week? Top 36 guy probably with the eight.
- [51:18]
Scott Bogman
Yes. He has to be a top 36 RB until Judkins is.
- [51:24]
Seth Wilcock
Until Judkins is like fully ripping.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah. Or until Ford has a good game because Ford did have more snaps than him and all that, but they gave the ball to Sampson and he looked good. So. And like I said, I think when you draft Judkins and Sampson in the same class, you're saying Ford is not our guy. So I think Sampson is going to be the guy they want to use moving forward.
- [51:46]
Seth Wilcock
Let's go ahead and round out the 1 o' clock state slate with the Las Vegas Raiders beating the Elements and the New England Patriots 20 to 13. Pretty questionable usage of the Raiders playmakers in the first half by my guy, Chip Kelly aka Chipper. But Geno Smith, man, he was Excellent considering this weather. 24 of 34, 362 yards, one interception and a touchdown. Drake May man, he threw the ball 46 times. I don't think any of us were expecting that. That led to some big gains from the likes of K Sean Booty. Still sticking around Hunter Henry and Stefan Diggs who are the fantasy football winners and losers of Raiders versus Patriots. Boggs.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, I mean I think the first thing we need to talk about here is the Patriots slow rolling Trayvon. 11 touches in this game. 10 for Stevenson, but it was not an even split on the field. 46 snaps for Stevenson to 25 for Henderson. So I think that's going to change pretty quickly. But you know, rookies get slow rolled sometimes. So I think Henderson just, he needs to have a big day and they're going to start going to him more and more. So again we're not hitting the panic button. But it is closer. It's 50, 50 in touches, but way more snaps right now for Stevens and so it's like a 60, 40 I would say.
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Seth Wilcock
This is usually how it starts for rookie running backs though. Right. And, and then the main thing I care about though, it's the six targets and the six receptions. Like he's gonna have a floor every single week. Brighter days are ahead. I think if someone's panicked on Henderson, if they, you know, spent up a fourth, early fifth, you know, I even saw him go sometimes at the turn there in the third, fourth round. So if they spent up and they're panicking, I'm buying. I'm buying. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, me too. And then the Patriots wide receiver rotation. So break that down. So was here. I'll just give you snaps and targets, right. Or I don't have targets. I have snaps. 58 for Booty, 45 for Pop Douglas, 39 for Diggs and eight for Kyle Williams. So those are your three. Those three. And Hunter Henry had a good day too, so. But those are your three. It's Boutay. Diggs and Douglas are your three. And Kyle Williams just is going to have to wait for an injury or earn his way through practice to make it on the field here. But Hunter Henry looked good. Another guy if you're losing Kittle very viable. Eight targets for him in this game and I think he's going to be one of their tops moving forward. Trick may look good. Touchdown and a pick. Ran for a couple yards as well.
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Seth Wilcock
So low end that one most weeks you think for you?
- [54:20]
Scott Bogman
Yeah, like right on the borderline at least. You know, as long as these pass catchers can do something for him, I think he's going to be okay. But lots of passes for Geno on the other side and Genti, you know, not the best game, 21 touches. But he did get in the end zone, so that was nice. Kind of salvaged his day there. Jacoby by far leader in targets, 10 targets, eight catches, 97 yards. But Tucker with the big touchdown, like this offense is just going to be a little more efficient with Geno than it was with Aiden o' Connell and you know, the ghost of whoever last year was miserable in Vegas last year.
- [54:57]
Seth Wilcock
Are you picking up Booty or Douglas if they're on the wire right now or is this kind of a one game thing? I mean, we got to keep in mind though, like, like Drake May is not going to throw it 46 times per game. I don't know why he threw it that much in this game, to be honest with you.
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Scott Bogman
That was a tight game. It was weird. But let me ask you this. Would you rather have Booty or Cooper Cup?
- [55:17]
Seth Wilcock
Cooper cup for sure.
- [55:19]
Scott Bogman
I think I'd rather have Booty right now for sure. Not for sure, I said I think. But I mean, Cooper cup still led in snaps and routes, but JSN got all the targets in that game. 13 targets for him. So we'll get to that game in a second. But I. I'm just thinking out loud of like who you would be dropping to pick these guys up. I think that's kind of a good example right there.
- [55:39]
Seth Wilcock
Yeah, I can't get there yet. I need to see a little bit. But honestly, like, Booty was a guy last year if you were in a deep 16, team leader. So I was sending him out in the flex occasionally. So, you know, it could be worse. It could do worse there. Let's move the 4 o' clock slate though. Bogs where the 49ers, they pull one out late. The Seahawks were driving on them. It looked like they were going to get done. But the 49ers do win 17 to 13 in Seattle. Big games from Christian McCaffrey. You know, everyone. We're all worried about it, man. Right. And he saw 32 touches today. Deepak says it's wheels up for now. Still an injury risk. Not the best day for Brock Purdy and company, but you know he did lose George Kato. He did lose Shawan Jennings. And Ricky Pierce saw only seven targets, but he made the most of them four for 108. So let's start with San Francisco. So are you all the way in on Piersol still? Are you even higher on him? Like, like, what are we thinking? Like top 25 guy rest of the way?
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Scott Bogman
I mean, if Kittle's gonna have to miss time, I was. This is another one. I'm like, all right, well, let's, you know, I think it's going to be Kittle. I think they're going to be running the ball a lot. CMC's healthy. He's going to get a lot of carries. Nope. It was. It was pure salt. It was a pure salt day. Four for 108 on seven targets. But yeah, I think. I think he's going to be on that wide receiver 2 borderline probably right now with lots and lots of room to move up. So. But in this one, jsn, the solo act here, that was the big thing to take away from me. That and obviously Walker and Charbonnet, like, what is going on there? I'm looking. I'm going to tell you, the snap counts right now. Pulling it up. It was 30 with 11 routes run for Charbonnet and 21 with nine routes run for Walker. So maybe, you know, Walker's got an injury history, banged up a camp a little. Maybe they're just slow rolling him a little bit. But that's definitely at least way more even than we thought, if not more Charbonnet. This is Kubiak, a new OC coming in. So things are changing there. Jsn, they just run a lot of one wide receiver looks even though cup had more, you know, looks. He just. 10 more targets to JSN. JSN is getting open when anybody else. I did like to see Torrey Horton, but. But going back to CMC, Sethi, 58 snaps of 76 and they just got 18. Now look, B. Rob just got there, right? And the other backs are hurt, so I don't know that this is going to keep happening, but I don't like it for CMC's future if it does keep happening, which is what it has always happened under Kyle Shanahan is. He says he's going to ratchet him back. He never does. And then he gets hurt. So big game week one, they won barely. But lots of usage for cmc. So, you know, you're, you're. You're riding the wave again just to see if he's gonna make it and I'm not very confident.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah. Honestly, like, I don't want to be that guy. But if you have CMC and like depending what your risk tolerance is in fantasy, like, if Christian McCaffrey's healthy, he's probably going to be like the RB1 to 3 rest of the way. But there, there's a solid chance as Deepak towards at the top of show that he gets hurt and I just can't deal with that. So I think I would be using this as a. A sell high window. And I do want to talk about jsn, man, because you absolutely hit. Hit the. The hammer on the nail, man. Right. Like this is, you know, Andrew Cooper from our friend over at Fancy Alarm put out a tweet a couple weeks ago, bogman, and he looked at like the Vegas over unders for targets and JSN was like top 10 in that list. And like it really goes to show that like he was undervalued in drafts, man. I had him as my wide receiver, 11 in my draft rankings. I. I don't know where you had him, but I think a lot of people were too low on this guy because 13 targets, man. Like, this is what he does. I mean, nine for 124. I think that was pretty impressive and. And maybe not what we all saw coming. I. The average depth of target was pretty nice, a little bit better than it's been in the past with some of the older offensive coordinators. But like, is JSN a wide receiver one Moving forward the rest of the.
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Scott Bogman
Way, he's at least a top 15 wide receiver, if not a wide receiver one.
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Seth Wilcock
That's where he's being drafted.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, he's got. He's got to stay in that bucket. He definitely has a chance to move up. We'll see. Like, Darnold looked decent today. We'll see if he keeps looking that good. I kind of doubt it. But JSN is by far going to be the leader in targets for Seattle. He's the main guy and they're going to run a lot of those one wide receiver sets and he's just by just in terms of skill so far ahead of everybody else that he's just. He's going to be the guy that sees the ball way more than anybody else.
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Seth Wilcock
AJ Brown or jsn.
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Scott Bogman
I think AJ Brown was hurt. I'm still going. AJ Brown. It's a better offense, lad. It can't be slightly. Just slightly, lad. Is Keenan Allen there?
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Seth Wilcock
Dude, he's not going to get nearly the amount of volume. All right, dude, Keena, look great. Get. Get out of there. Don't. Don't throw shade on Keaton Allen, man.
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Scott Bogman
Okay? Keenan's old. Anybody could decide him a bunch of times. So I guess. Yeah, look, I just. He's in that mix. He's in that group for sure. What, Maybe put them in the bottom of it just because they're a run first team, that's all.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, I'm seeing some questions get coming in the chat. We'll try to get to those rapid Firestyle at the end there. Thank you guys so much for dropping those to us. A lot of people tuning in so hard to get to everything, but we will try our greatest. And if we don't get to your questions, one way you can contact us is by joining our fancy Pros Discord community. You can chat with other fans and get access to exclusive amas that actually wind up on our podcast feed. Our current schedule looks like this. Worm and Fitz there at 5 Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month, talking Dynasty. Boggs and Fitz at 5 Eastern on the third Tuesday of every month. And then Welsh and erickson Thursdays at 2 Eastern as well. So come get your questions answered and be on the show@fantasypros.com chat. All right. A couple more games to get to, starting with the Tennessee Titans at the Denver Broncos. Cam Ward looked fine in this one in his debut, I thought despite the, you know, really, really good Denver Broncos defense, you know, poor efficiency form, the numbers don't look good. But I thought he handled himself well. 20 to 12 for the Broncos. What are your fancy takeaways on this one? And why is everyone just dropping Tony Pollard in the chat? Like, is everyone that upset with Tony Pollard? I didn't think it was. It was inefficient, right? Like, it wasn't the most efficient. And I think we would have liked to see a little more in the past catching game.
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Scott Bogman
But yeah, I mean, well, he fumbled. So if you, yeah, if you have negatives for fumbling and he didn't score, then you probably didn't get many points from Tony Pollard. But look, he had 19 touches. Julius Chestnut had two carries. So Tony Pollard is still the guy here. It's just ran up against defense, Milo. Yeah, for sure. Cam Ward. I'm going to disagree with you, Seth. He did not look good. Now, look, Denver is a tough test on the road for your first NFL start, but this is why I bet on the Broncos 12 of 28 for 112 yards and sack six times. That is brutally held the ball too long.
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Seth Wilcock
He had a couple of big plays called back. I will. I'm not trying to be the cambod apologist here, but.
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Scott Bogman
No, no, I, I love Cam Ward and I think he's going to be really good this year. But this was just, this is why Denver was my survivor pick, is because they could not move the football against this Denver defense. Denver probably has the best defense in the league and it wound up with 62 yards passing and 71 rushing yards for the Titans for a grand total of 133 yards in this game. I think if the Broncos are playing anybody else, they would have lost this game with the turnovers that they had. This was not a good game. Bo Nix had two. They lost the fumble on the punt from Mims. There was another fumble in there, I think also from Knicks. Three turnovers from Knicks in this game. They did not look good, but they did enough to win. Harvey looked better than Dobbins.
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Seth Wilcock
Let's talk about that. Yeah, let's talk about this. 6 for 6, 16 for 63 and 1 for Dobbins on the ground and then 6 for 70. As you said, Harvey. So we've had a lot of discourse on the Fancy Pros YouTube channel on the podcast this year about RJ Harvey. We know that Derrick Brown, I think he's actually related to him at this point. I think he just filed to adopt RJ Harvey. So with that said, Boggs, like is it just going to take time for RJ Harvey to overcome Dobbins or does he never with. Based on what we saw in week.
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Scott Bogman
One, I think it's just going to take time because I do like Dobbins looked better between the tackles for sure. But the, the, the snap difference was pretty decent. 40 for Dobbins, 22 for Harvey. So it's going to take a little bit moving forward. But this was just, this is a weird, ugly game. You don't want Bonix throwing the ball 40 times. Right? Like, especially when he looks like that and he's throwing a couple picks and he fumbled as well. So I think this was just a weird start for Denver. But I'm Harvey with only seven touches is concerning. But I think they're going to have the ball more against most teams and I think things are going to be move better for him moving forward. I'm not, I'm not looking to do anything with Harvey right now outside of if you want to bench him, that's fine. But when you take a rookie running back in the draft, you have to they're all conditional. You have to get another running back soon to start early in the season. So hopefully you've done that.
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Seth Wilcock
Harvey or Pollard rest of season. They were going right next to each other in drafts pretty much.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah. I think I still want Harvey. I think the upside for that offense is okay, okay.
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Seth Wilcock
All right, let's keep it moving here. Detroit Lions 13, Green Bay Packers 27 get it done in Lambeau in the Micah Parsons debut. Just a all around, I would say solid game for the Packers. Like you look at the box score, nothing's gonna stick out. But I thought Jordan Love was just so efficient in this game. We saw Jane Reed make a couple big plays. Everyone left him for dad going in the like I got him in like the 12, 13 rounds. Drafts and a couple redrafts this year. Bogman slow, slow out of the gates for Matthew Golden. But Josh Jacobs did what he needed to do. Let's start with the packers first. What did you like? Who's the fancy winners and losers if anyone? Because I don't see a lot of changing really other than I think Romeo Dobbs, as Debro would say, adjust the ranks on him.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, I think you, you're kind of coming in a little crackly there again, Seth, but I will jump into this game as you kind of reset. But Jordan loves 16 and 22, 188 yards and two touchdowns. So just. Okay, right? That's fine. We'll take the two touchdowns. Obviously. Matthew golden, not great in this game. Dobbs with a big catch, but no one for the packers had more than three catches. Jaden Reed had a touchdown, Tucker Kraft had a touchdown. This was a Josh Jacobson play defense game. 19 for 66 in a score. And as Seth mentioned, the time of possession was extremely lopsided in this game because Green Bay 35, 24, 35 to 35, 25 for Detroit. So Jared Goff, he's an indoor cat, we all know that. Not a terrible game from him. But 31 of 39 to 25, a touchdown and a pick. Montgomery and this. They just couldn't get anything like Green Bay's defense is going to be a tough match. I feel like for most of the season. Seth, 11 for 25, 2.3 yards for Monty, 2.1 for Gibbs. Obviously Gibbs added with 10 catches. So if you're in PPR, you have no issues with Gibbs Day, right? You don't have many issues with Gibbs Day, but if you are in a regular league, you're like, oh my God, this guy got me 5 points for my third overall pick. So better days are are coming for Detroit. They're not gonna have to play Green Bay every single day. But Jamo, you know, Amonra didn't do much either. Like, Laporta was the best receiver in this game for the Lions. So I just think this was the Lions running into a really good defense that was ready to go week one and all they could do is complete short passes and they took what Green Bay gave them and that just wasn't enough to come away with a win here and really to come away with anything great for your fantasy team either.
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Seth Wilcock
Look, I hate to be this guy, but I am panicking a little bit on Monroe and like, I don't say I'm panicking myself because I don't have any in Monroe because I was lower on him then. Consensus item closer to wide receiver 10 overall in my draft rankings, Boggs. And like, I am worried because this was a really gettable. Like I get it's a good up front front seven for Green Bay, but dude, this secondary is cheeks, man. This secondary.
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Scott Bogman
I think Seth froze up again. I. Look, I understand panic on a Monroe, right? But I think when the player is as good as a monra, I understand Jameson just got an extension, right. Tesla caught that touchdown. He looked great. But I think, I think when you face a worse offense than the Lions, you're just going to see a much, much better day moving forward for Amanra. So if you, if you want to listen, I'm okay with that, but I'm just not going to do anything with Amanra. As it stands right now. I guess I should probably just jump to the next game while Seth figures out his Internet here. We didn't. Let's go to. I think it's the last game. It's Houston 9, the Rams 14 in this one. Matt Stafford 21 and 29, 246 yards and a touchdown. Kyren 18 for 66 in the score. I just jumped into the Rams in Houston game here. Seth, you want to fire it off there?
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, absolutely. So I don't know how far you got into this one.
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Scott Bogman
Just started. So just roll it from the top.
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Seth Wilcock
Yep. 14 Rams 9 to the Houston Texans. This was another one where I think we're all, you know, I don't want to say overhyping what we were expecting in week one from a lot of these offenses, but I mean, there's a lot of change here, right? Devonte Abs didn't get a ton of time in training camp with Matthew Stafford and At the same time, too, Bogman, like, the Houston receiving room kind of diminished a little bit with injuries. Jalen Noel had his first start here. New running backs coming in in lieu of Joe Mixon as well. So, like, I'm not overly concerned by. By anything here. What were your takeaways? I mean, huge day for Puka. I think anyone who got Puka, end of the first, early second, you got to be thrilled with 10 for 130. Devonte Adams, you know, did what I think we thought he would maybe do here. 4 for 51. So what are your overall takeaways? Any big fantasy winners and losers for you? Because for me, it's just Puka continues to go up the rest of the season ranks.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah, so much for Kyron Williams getting split right like. Or any pressure from Blake Corum or Jarquez Hunter.
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Seth Wilcock
I think something happened to Jarquez. I think he might have got hurt on special teams or something, but. But still, it doesn't matter.
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Scott Bogman
It was all Kyron, 18 for 66 and a score. Also, the catch. I mean, just a great game for him. Puka, like, you and Puka went out, like, he took one to the dome early and cut his. His head and had to, like, he had to leave and then come back. It was a weird thing. But 11 for 10 for 130 for him, and nothing changes there for Puka. So wheels up. You know, there was a little, like, to me, I was like, where do we go? Because Devonte was, I believe, third or fourth in first reads, and Puka was first. So it was like, well, somebody's losing here, right? And right now it seems to be Devonte a little bit. But on the Houston side, I. I think you're concerned because as you said, like, I'm not going to panic about Nico having a subpar day. You know, Nick Chubb was just okay with the 60 yards and nothing in the receiving game. I don't like that at all.
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Seth Wilcock
But they got to get Darre off the field now after that, like, it's going to be hard to trust him. And Damian Pierce, who gave you, like, an absolute nothing burger.
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Scott Bogman
I mean, the O line was the worst part here, and that is not fixable immediately. So it depends on what's going to happen with these injuries. I believe they had their center hurt and their guard hurt. Right tackle, maybe two offensive linemen out for a line that looked miserable all day. I guarantee you, once we get, like, pff grades and stuff, the Rams are going to be low, low, low on the totem pole. So not too much to do with Houston there. Like, I'm not panicking on Nico, and I think. What do you think? Corum safely cuttable if you're not just have you. You just don't have him for a handcuff.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
Right.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah. Corum wasn't even draftable, in my opinion, so, yeah, he should be on waivers. Like, I. I mean, I'll roster Woody Marks over Corum, honestly. And Woody Marks was garbage. Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah. Just not a lot. Just not a ton to. To pull away from a weird game here. I think your initial thoughts are going to still be okay if Nico. Look, if Nico isn't good next week, we'll sound the alarm a little bit here, but I don't. I don't think that's going to be the case. And Houston Nets next week. They're on the road against the Bucks, so I think they'll be able. I think they'll be able to pass the ball as long as C.J. stroud can get the ball out. That's the big thing here.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah. If the line can hold up, man. Like, I'm not. I'm not panicking because, like, I just really think the Rams, they proved it down the stretch last year, man, with Jared Verse coming on that, like, this is a really good defense and. And it's continuing to get better. It's a lot of young guys out there, so, you know. You know, would I like better than 4.6 yards per play? Sure. But is it the Bengals bad down at like 2.6, whatever they're rocking.
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Scott Bogman
No.
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Seth Wilcock
So, you know, just hold on. I think that's like, really the message here tonight. Boggs is like, there are a few players I think we're both panicked on. I think we've said that. Like, I'm a little bit more panicked on a Monroe St. Brown than I think other people. You're a little bit panicked on a few players as well, but like. Like, more than anything, like, week one's weird. It's always weird. I don't know why it is, but even earlier in the. The day, it thought, oh, we might get some points here. And we did in a couple games, our game over there, the Steelers and Jets, but for the most part, you know, defense is usually ahead of the offense as we start the regular season.
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Scott Bogman
Yeah.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah.
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Scott Bogman
And that's just. And, you know, you don't want to hit the panic button, but you do want to recognize some of these trends. So we tried to. To figure out some of the. The things that we are actually worried about and the things that we aren't. So there's 85 15. Not worried about things to 15. We actually are.
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Seth Wilcock
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