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What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's having a great weekend. Just watched the PGA Championship, so I said, you know what? Let's do a little Go low. Scotty Scheffler wins the third major of his career, knocks off the second leg of the career Grand Slam, winning the PGA Championship a year after he was thrown in jail on a Friday morning during this tournament. But Scotty Scheffler kicks everyone's Butt wins the PGA Championship. We will dive into that. Rory McElroy who refused to speak to the media, not today, the entire week after his driver was found non compliant. We will dive into that. A complete embarrassment for a sport that I love. I'm not even just putting this just on Rory the entire operation. Bryson DeChambeau continues to flex his muscles, finishes second in this tournament for the second straight year, just dominating the last couple years in majors and solidifies himself as a US Ryder cup player, that's for sure. John Rom, my fellow Scottsdale resident, showed signs of life. Now he imploded at the end, but at one point in time today it did feel like, could Jon Rom win this tournament? And yeah, we'll hit on a couple other things as well as some of your mailbag questions at golopod@golo pod is the Instagram. I think because we'll probably do some football podcasts the rest of this week, I might as well just do a Golo, a full on golo podcast right now. So we will answer some of your questions, but if you want to get involved in that, obviously it's Memorial Day weekend coming up this weekend, so probably be a little shorter of a week. Fire in those, in those DMs. If you got any football questions, you guys know, just fire in my regular DMs. Ohnmiddelkopf is just my name. But before we dive into some golf and the second major of the year, you know, I got to tell you about my friends, my partners. And the official ticketing app of this podcast is Game Time. Best in the business. 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Well After Scotty's little mishap over the winter break when he split open his hand and got glass shards in there, he claims, making raviolis. Listen, we've all had some mishaps. Having a few cocktails. Regardless how it happened, his season got off to a slow start. He had a Tiger like season last year, winning what felt like every freaking tournament. He won the Masters, he won the FedEx. He won like $60 million. And it was like, this guy's a monster. And then this year happens and he doesn't win the Masters. And it's like, you know, Scotty, like right now at this point in time in his career, the money, the wins, the. I mean, he's just such a heavy favorite in every tournament he plays in now, you know, minus 4 or plus 400 or plus 300, he's like a 4 to 3 to 1. I mean, good players typically is someone that's been gambling on golf now for, I don't know, half a decade. You know, high, high end guys are like 11 to 1, 12 to 1, 14 to 1. And Scotty is routinely like 4 to 1. And honestly, it doesn't feel that crazy. Your boy might have threw a little on him. Why? Just because he's a great player. And then all of a sudden, in the middle of these tournaments, he'll be like, minus 450. Like, this guy's a fucking monster. I don't know what it looked like in the Tiger era because, you know, the draft kings of the world did not exist, but I would imagine there were a lot of similarities when this guy gets on and he won the tournament Saturday night or Saturday afternoon, that's when the tournament was one. And I would say, listen, Scotty Scheffler has won a lot. He's won multiple green jackets. That stretch that he had on Saturday afternoon, hole 14 to close it out till 18. You know, birdieing four of his last five holes and just knocking it stiff after stiff is like, she had to be. Especially relative to the field, as the entire field is falling apart. Had to be one of the greatest five, six hole stretches of his career. And today, what feels good about validating this, if you're Scottie Scheffler is like, there were some questions. Like, he plays really well at the Masters. He's won all these tournaments. Like, are you going to start knocking off some of these other majors? He's like, yes, I am. We'll start with here at Quail Hollow. You know, that course that everyone says that Rory wins over and over or that course that your boy thought that Bryson DeChambeau was going to demolish. I'm not just going to win that. I'm going to win that by five. And I'm also going to bogey 18, where I easily could have won by six. No one was even close to me. Remember a couple of weeks ago when I won by like 10 and I absolutely blew up the field? And you're like, well, you're playing nobody's. How about we go to a major, best field in golf, Mini, say the PGA Championship, and I beat the living piss at everyone in sight. And that's what he just did. And listen, I'm not going to compare anyone ever to Tiger woods, but Scotty is a monster. I mean, he is, he is so freaking good at golf, it's stupid. And here's the thing. Over the last five years at majors, this guy is a bright lights player. Starting in 20, 21, he was T18, T8, T7, T8, and all the majors. Then he started winning in 22. He won the Masters. He missed the cut at the PGA, but then he finished second at the US Open. T21. And these last couple years, it's like it's not even a fair fight. T10, T2, third. T23 first. T8, T41, T7, fourth first. And he's going to be the heavy, heavy favorite at Oakmont. And his game, like no one will ever be Tiger Woods. I've said it all the time. His name is unique, right? Just his story, his dad, Earl. Like the whole thing, I mean, started from a young age, the dominance, but what this guy's doing right now, and I felt pretty confident about this, like, is he going to win 15 majors like Tiger? Of course not. I think that would be crazy to even put out there. But is this guy more likely to win eight or nine than four or five? I would say yes, because the only thing that could remotely slow him down was some glass shards in a hand. Because when you watch him against Bryson, against Rom against whoever, there's a clear gap. And Rory, who we'll get into in a minute, like, what the hell was that? Now, you could argue that Rory winning the Masters, playing with a little house money, not as much pressure on this tournament, I would tend to agree. But when you're having one of the best seasons of your career, you've already won three times, you get the monkey off your back with the Masters. This is a course in which you've won at multiple times. You would think that he would show up but he's nowhere to be found. Bryson is an incredible talent. I mean, to me the craziest part about Bryson is he is blowing it 30, 40 yards by Scottie Scheffler. His short game is unreal. I mean, he had a couple flop shots day around the green as someone that had him to finish in the top five. Like, I was kind of on tilt, but he had a couple wedges around the green that were world class and his putting is excellent. But to me, like, you watch Scottie Scheffler, I could give him a seven iron and I'd go, Scotty hit this 200 yards. He could hit it 200 yards. I'd say, I could say Scotty hit like a buttercut and hit it 158 yards and he could hit it around that vicinity. Meanwhile, Bryson's 195 yards, he's hitting nine iron. Like, I'm not here to nitpick Bryson's operation, it clearly works and he's an elite player. But like the gap between Scotty and Bryson when it just comes to hitting irons, like I, I heard, I was going to pick up dinner last night and I was listening to the no laying up. They do like a reaction show after every major day. And DJ Pie, one of their guys was saying, like, it can't be easy to play when you're hitting a nine iron or 195 yards. Like, what are you hitting? A six iron one? Like, what's the point of some of these longer clubs? It's not like you're hitting a 5 iron 290 yards. So your distances are all wacky, but like your wedges, like, what are you doing from like 140, 150, 170 and a couple times a day you're watching Bryson and he's not even close. And that's where Scotty will eat you alive, is like, give him 160. That's where he's very, very comfortable with. And you're watching Bryson, who honestly should have been right there, but his iron play is just kind of wacky. I mean, listen, I'm not one to say like he shouldn't be playing the same length irons, but like whatever Scotty is able to do with like a seven iron, a nine iron in his hand, it feels like Bryson's playing like Kyle Berkshire on Instagram. It's like, what are we doing here? And listen, Jon Rahm, who to me is like a legit high end player when he's on like today, melted at the end But a lot like Scotty, like, has a bunch of different shots in the back. And at one point in time today, Scotty is just leaking oil. Just your classic playing like shit. He's just playing really bad. Not because the moment's too big, not because he's overwhelmed, not because he's never won a big tournament, not because there's pressure. He's just not on. Something was just off. And then you look up, he finishes the ninth hole, or basically he's on 10. He's nine under. Jon Rahm is also nine under with a birdie putt on 12 from, like 10ft. Jon Rahm misses this. Scotty then birdies 10, and then it flips, and then Scotty never looks back. And once Scotty got that little buffer, then Rom get toward whatever they call it, the green Mile, and just kind of imploded. And then it ended up like, Jon Rahm's not even on, like, the leaderboard you see on tv, and Bryson's right there. Now, Bryson technically wasn't that close, but there were a couple moments today, and even yesterday, it's like, I don't really know what's going on. Like, I get it, he's got these weird irons. But, you know, to me, Scotty's a much more complete player for a guy that's not even hitting it. And I heard a couple people say, like, if you followed that group with Xander and Rory and Scotty on Thursday and Friday, that those guys are blowing it by Scotty, like 20 yards, 25 yards. And listen, if you play with another individual that's longer than you, that's not that weird. It is kind of weird when you look at Scotty. He's a big ass dude. Xander's much smaller, and he hits it way farther than him. But, like, when you're splitting fairways, then you're knocking it on greens and you're making putts, like it doesn't really matter. And that's the one thing with golf. Obviously, distance is very, very important. Bryson's kind of hacked the system, but you still got to get the ball in the hole. And that, to me, is a skill that, like, even when Scotty started to unravel today, I never thought, like, this is implosion coming. It never crossed my mind he was going to shoot 76. Now I did think, like, if John Rom starts birdie in three or four holes, maybe they just both end up at like 10 or 11 under and we have a playoff. But the one thing that Scotty has in the back and I would say this is the similarity with Tiger and what Rory definitely does not have in common. It's hard to fathom him just. If he has a shitty front nine, him backing that up with a bad back nine. In a tournament like this, where when we watch Rory at the Masters, you're like, he could blow this. Like, it didn't cross my mind that Scotty was going to blow it. Now he opened the door and let someone in. But you're like, he's got a couple par fives. Like, you know, if this was football, he'll make some plays. And what did he do? He made some place and then. And then. Obviously, the course is difficult. You know, Rom had to get aggressive, and he just kind of melted down in Bryson. That's the thing with Bryson. It's like he's been off, I thought, in the Masters and definitely this week with his iron play, with his approach game. But his wedges are. I mean, he had a couple. He had a flop shot today on 14, that drivable par four where he hits it right up the bunker and it's way above on the mound. I can't even imagine how difficult that shot is. And he knocked it, like, three or four feet. It's like, Bryson, you have incredible touch around the greens. You're obviously an elite putter now, and I think most would consider you, especially if Rory is going to drive the ball like he did this week, the best driver in the world. What is going on with this, this iron situation? And listen, Scotty took advantage of it, and he wins his third major, and all signs point to him. Now, Oakmont, which many consider like the hardest golf course in the world, especially when you factor in major conditions. And if I just tell you out loud they're going to play the hardest golf course in the world, who are you going to like? You would immediately say Scottie Scheffler. Now, I don't know if he's going to win the US Open by five or six shots, but I think at this point in time, given the way he's played now in his last two events and what he did over the course of the last two days, it would be stunning if he doesn't win this U.S. open. And if he wins the U.S. open, listen, the British is weird. Whether. You never know. It does feel like he's so good that he will inevitably win one. You just kind of. With a guy who knows, I do feel pretty confident at this point in time. Like, you see some of these guys, like, you know, speech one, four Koepka's one five, Rory's one five. Like, like, it feels like Scotty's gonna fly right by him. And the only thing that can slow him down is an injury because he's got Ted Scott, who's Bubba, Bubba Watson's old caddy. Their cohesion, like, it's like the equivalent of like, Belichick and Brady. It's like they were just made for each other. It's perfect. And what a fucking clinic. And honestly, what he did on Saturday afternoon, if you tell me, like, what's been Scotty Scheffler's coolest, like, hour that you remember watching him play golf, it would be Saturday afternoon at Quail hollow in the PGA Championship. Now he has. He's only 28 years old. He's got a lot of golf left. But, like, so far in his career. And listen, he's won the Masters multiple times. But it does feel like that stretch on Saturday afternoon was the equivalent of like, a drag race. And he's in, like, a legit drag racing car, and you're in like a pinto. And he flew by everybody, and it gave him that buffer today where when he is just all over the map, but he starts with a bogey this week on one, he's hitting the ball all over the place off the tee. You're like, God, what is going on here? It gave him a little breathing room. And to me, if he doesn't have that breathing room, if he just, Instead of shooting 65, he shoots 69, and he only has a one shot leader. He's tied, and all of a sudden he's three back. I think that pressure, it just would have been a different situation, right? Given where he would have stood on the leaderboard. But he couldn't have been playing any shittier. Rahm had made multiple birdies, and we're tied and he's ahead of me. So I still got the par fives. It was just a different mindset. So I do believe, no matter what anyone says, that this tournament was won on Saturday. But that's what Scottie Scheffler does when everyone else was not playing well because the course was playing outrageously hard. I mean, this is a place that a lot of times, like you watch Augusta, you're like, I understand it's hard. I would love to play there. You watch Pinehurst, you're like, listen, I want to play that golf course. Even last week, you're watching Philly Cricket Club, you're like, I would love to tee it up there. Anytime they're playing overseas, you're like this St. Andrews, you name it, right? I would love to do this. As long as it's not too cold and too wet. This is one of those rare courses that they play in a big event where you go, yeah, I got no interest. Does not look fun. I mean does not look like an enjoyable round of golf. Too long, too much rough, the greens are way too hard. It just looks like miserable golf. And when I tell you it's like miserably hard, difficult conditions, firm greens, not shocking to Scottie just won by five.
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Speaking of the most embarrassing thing that happened this week, we go back to Morikawa whatever a couple months ago when he got in the spat with basically Rocco Brandle, a bunch of older guys that said like, listen man, part of this sport. We're pros. This isn't amateur hour. This isn't the minor leagues. This is the big leagues. And when you lose a tournament and you're a big time player and you melt down, part of it is facing the music. No different than LeBron James or Steph Curry or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or whoever. Cam Newton didn't jump on the fumble. Guess what? In 2016, what did he do after the Super Bowl? He spoke. It's part of the business in this whole thing. This is entertainment. Where do you think the money comes from? We don't just make it up out of the sky, right? People are paying a ton of money A lot of sponsors, the fans, like, this is all part of the business model. And Rory McElroy, like, I didn't know. Now, I'm not super into the weeds of like, wait, we. Every Tuesday of a major, they test 50 guys for the. Whatever the exact terminology is of the driver. And at first you read it, you're like, is this like a cork bat? And it's actually the opposite. The more worn down that your face becomes sometimes, I guess the more explosive it can become off the clubhead. And they just randomly test 50 drivers. So some guys like a TSA check, right? Scotty Scheffler could show up, don't test a thing, or back to back weeks. They could test them and they test Rory McIlroy, as Xander said, they also tested Scotty, and according to Xander, he failed as well. Change the club, Taylor made, whoever. They're all at these tournaments, so if you need to get access to anything, they're right there. They know exactly your specs. They work with you, like, no different than your agent or your manager. And you're watching Rory. And here's my issue, and I give Brian Windhorse credit on this because he's one of the only guys that covers the NBA that consistently talks about this because he compares the model to the NFL and he's like, if we're going to be all in on gambling, there has to be specific ways that we handle injuries. And it's become very nefarious over the years that, like, wait till the last second to say a guy's out with rest or whatever. Where the NFL, where there's still shady shit going on the injury report. If you're going to gamble on a team like, you have a pretty good idea. This guy's missed Wednesday, Thursday and Friday at practice. You're not shocked when he can't play Sunday or he's completely healthy and something pops up Friday. You're like, wait, this guy missed practice with Fridays? Like, yeah, felt a little something in his hamstring. So you just, you have some comprehension. It's for the gambling public and the competition gets to know. Yet in golf, they're all independent contractors, so they all can do whatever they want, which I understand is fine. Yet they're all under the umbrella of this business model that is the PGA Tour, that is professional golf. And Roy McIlroy, who gets in trouble for not in trouble, but has to change out his driver, which I don't know, is kind of a big story because he's the greatest driver in the history of the sport. And he just won the fucking Masters. And because of the setup, he doesn't have to say a word. For four days. For four days. And this gets back to the Morikawa thing. I don't owe you anything yet. No one actually owes anyone anything. And except people you're in business with, then we all have deals with other people. And then, no, you kind of do owe other people other things. And now that you know the Arthur Blanks and the business people are trying to get involved with the PGA Tour, they're already with tgl. This Saudi Liv thing is eventually going to consolidate. There has to be some sort of rules, because I totally understand last year when people are asking Roy McElroy about his divorce of like, guys, I'm not talking about that. Totally understand. And I think that is totally fair to him to, like, he doesn't have to say shit about that. Just like if you asked Mahomes or an NFL player, an NBA player about something in their personal life, they don't have to say a word. But when it came out that the footballs were deflated, guess what? We want to hear from Belichick and Tom Brady. So when something happens with your driver, which is an on the course situation, especially his most potent club at a course which is really long, and then for those of us that are gambling on a guy like Rory, he's fucking all over the map on Thursday, it's like something's up, but doesn't cross my mind that he has a new driver. And then it comes out on Friday afternoon. Yeah, he failed the test and they had to give him a new driver. And then he just refuses to talk. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I don't know what else to say beside, like, that's kind of a minor league operation. And these guys want to act like, this is the big leagues, this is, you know, we should play for more money than ever. Like, the money, the money, the money. Like, there's a reason the money, the money, the money in the NFL. And there are rules. The coach has to talk X number of times every week, every single time after the game. Same with the players. Or else there are consequences. Like, this is not okay. This makes the sport look to me like low level. You are the biggest star. Do you think Tiger woods, in a million years over an equipment issue. When you are the biggest star in the sport, which Rory currently is, you are just won the Masters a month ago, and then you have a situation like this and you just refuse to say a word for four days. I'm not even acting like, it is that big a deal. I really don't care. But one, this is also a problem with the sport that wants to be taken legitimately. And as someone that gambles a lot of money on this love, my guys at DraftKings just won $4,500. Now, actually, I won 4,500, but I bet about four, so I won about 500. Sometimes it comes out like, yeah, my wrist has been bothering me on a Saturday or Sunday with a player. It's like, what? This is the whole problem with the complex and the setup of what's going on. They want to be the big leagues. They want to play for all this money, but no one wants to have an injury report. No one wants to have mandates of, like, I don't know, if you're a top 20 player and you're playing in a tournament, you have to speak after every round. I don't know. It's just part of the business. Can you imagine if, like, yeah, you know, Josh had a big situation, I don't know, with a football or with a teammate, and he just. For the entire month, he just wouldn't talk after any games. That not only would never happen, it can't happen because he would start getting fined, and it would not be tolerated. Why? Because that's an unhealthy part of the business. You want that guy to speak, it just expands the popularity and the attention that is on your sport. So I really think the Rory thing, there's no way around it, which, again, it's up to him. Like, there is no one above him. There's no one above any of these guys. Like Morikawa said, I can do whatever I want. I don't owe anyone anything. Even though there are people in business that are paying for all this shit. Like, you owe certain people certain things. I don't know. The people putting on this tournament, the people that will put on this tournament next year. This money doesn't just come from the sky, comes from your partners, comes from the operation. And when a guy like Rory has a situation like this and makes a mockery over, kind of pisses me off, because as someone that. That loves this sport, and I understand, like, it's a niche deal. Like, you know, on good days, 3 or 4 million people watch on a Saturday or Sunday. But, like, it's the only Sport where guys 50, 60, 70, 80 years old are playing all over America. It's never seen a greater run of growth over the last three or four years. And you have more eyeballs on this operation than ever. And then your biggest name has an issue, which honestly can be good. It just creates a conversation and refuse to comment on it. You didn't just get caught fucking doing steroids, Rory. You didn't just get caught with a bag of drugs. Your driver didn't pass some test. Most people, including myself, don't even quite understand what that even means. We don't even care. I just want to hear your opinion on it. Are you mad? You. You think it's bs? What's your thoughts on the situation? That adds to the conversation. And Scotty Scheffler last year got arrested, let me repeat, got arrested on Friday morning. Somehow pulled off because of a rain delay. Still was able to play. Played after that round. It would have been easy for him to be like, listen, a lot going on. I don't want to speak. I'm leaving. I know I'm the number one player in the world. Today was fucking crazy. I just want to get home, have a sandwich and put my feet up and take a deep breath with my family. He spoke and then he spoke the next day and the next day. Why? Because it's called being a pro. And I think, Rory, for a guy that gets a lot of credit of, like, everyone likes him, he's super nice and he seems like a good guy. Like, this is now like last year. Bryson DeChambeau just fire out of there. Like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson aren't able to just leave after Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid beat him again. Guess what? They have to talk. I mean, I'd say the NFL, whatever the NFL is doing when it comes to media stuff, this sport should follow. And Rory McIlroy, who is basically like an NFL quarterback relative to golf, like, just avoiding it all week in the middle of like a controversial situation is just a joke. I mean, there's really no other way to like dance around this topic of like. And I'm someone who likes the guy, I enjoy watching him play. But I think this is a pretty low level moment for the guy. And of course, during that moment, you got Bryson DeChambeau who's waiting after to hug Scotty. And you could go, oh, he's just doing that for the cameras. Whatever. He's done that now multiple times. So it's like you can think Bryce is douchey. You can think he was a weirdo a couple years ago. At least he'll answer the music. Like, at least he won't run away from whatever's going on. I mean, this is a guy that had issues with Brooks. I mean, you got Brooks, you got a heckler screaming at Koepka that guaranteed money will basically ruin your game. And then Koepka turned around screaming at him. And then Koepka getting seen most relatable picture in recent memory. It looked like at like a 7 11, I guess. Where are they? They're in Charlotte, so not sure. I've never been to that area. What their go to, like gas station kind of mini marts are cvs, something like that. Just getting a case of Miller Lite and just going to go drink his face off after a pretty embarrassing couple days. And listen, he's a guy that probably could not talk, doesn't feel like talking. But I would say this, oftentimes he might give shitty answers. At least he'll sit there in front of the cameras. So I just think like, you can't be this big of a player right there with Rom, obviously Scotty and Bryson and just go MIA from the cameras. Like, I just don't understand where he thinks his money. I never understand these. Like. Like, it's not about, like, I don't. I don't owe some scribe anything. It's. No one's reading these newspapers. No one beside other media members are reading most of these articles. It's not about that, honestly. It's about these quotes being distributed on social media so people that follow the sport can see them or. Or the clips of you talking about. Why? Because that's how. What generates attention. We're in the. We're all in the attention business. And Scotty, he's not the most interesting guy, but he draws your attention by being elite at golf. Bryson has a lot of different elements, right? His YouTube brings the attention, his game brings the attention. Rory is an attention bringer. Does a lot of, you know, things that kind of move the needle, whether it's his play, whether it's some of his comments. But now we have a history now multiple times when the fucking flame gets turned up and it gets a little hotter. Tiger's been in a million of these situations. What does every old person say about Tiger? He never didn't face the music. He never didn't talk, win, lose or draw. Now he won a lot more than he lost, but he had a lot of crazy shit going on in his career. And if he's around now, if he didn't play in the tournament, whatever. But if you're there and you are the star player, I'm sorry you have to speak over, like, what happened to your best club? Why was it taken out of your bag? Did you use it in the Masters? Did you know anything was off? Was this something like, was it a surprise to you? And if you want to storm off after, like I don't know what's going on and just leave, okay. But to just avoid it for four straight days, just a, just a low level moment for the guy. It really is someone that just had the greatest moment of his life. Just had a moment where 10 plus million people watched him win the Masters and everyone was just, was thrilled. I mean it was an exhilarating athletic performance. And then this happens. It's just God damn. Last but not least, before we dive into some of your questions. One thing that we have seen is you would have to be on drugs to bet against anyone that isn't a big dog in these majors like the day and age. Not that it won't ever happen again, but I think it clearly feels, maybe it's the pressure. Some of these signature events, the separation with live, you know, money's all relative, but clearly there's never been more money on the line. I could never put any money on a random guy winning any of these tournaments. Honestly, Even like a 30, 40, 50 to 1, I consider a long shot. When you look at the last six majors. Scotty, Xander, Bryson, Xander, Rory, Scotty. Who do you think is going to win the US Open? Scotty or Bryson? Maybe if Rory can get his driver out of his ass. Rory, like the days of just like some random Brian Harmon. Now it could still happen at the British. That's, that's a bad example. But some of these guys, the US Open, I mean distance, now these guys are hitting it so far. Scotty's not missing fairways for the most part. And then he's so much better at irons than you. Like you don't have a shot. I do think the cream is really separated. And now if you want to take some guys to top 10, top 20. But my gambling philosophy, I sprinkled on all three top guys. Bryson, Rory and Scotty. Now I was much more bullish coming into this weekend on Rory and Bryson, but it was clear after, after Friday, it's like, well, Scotty's going to be a major factor here. And he was the betting favorite going into the weekend. But I just think you bet the big dogs, you know, I mean, shit, you look at Bryson, you know, he won Pinehurst, though. I think the Pinehurst, Oakmont aren't really gonna parallel each other. You can spray it a little bit at Pinehurst. I don't know if you're gonna be able to do that at Oakmont, watching some of these YouTube golfers that played there like a couple weeks ago. But moving forward, I mean it does feel like it's just just the big dogs and everyone else.
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Let's dive into some of your questions really quick before we get out of here. Why doesn't the PGA Tour develop or buy their own courses? I know it's a lot more work for them short term, but I feel like it would pay off down the line. They could develop a number of courses more fit for major events. Well, there's only so much land in America that hasn't already been bought or, you know, used, Right. So a lot of premium land in certain areas probably have, like, housing developments. And then the golf course that already exists, that are cool, that are quote, unquote, private clubs or established golf courses are not going to sell to the PGA Tour. Now, the PGA Tour does own golf courses. I play at one TBC Scottsdale, they have an event, tbc Sawgrass, they have the players, tbc. There's one in Vegas, I think Summerlin, I've heard it's really nice. They have one in Texas where they have, I think the Valero they're having is a TPC Frisco in a year. Like, so they do own a lot of golf courses that they profit off of. Now, major venues, there are only so many courses in America that you feel comfortable hosting a major at. Right. Masters has that taken. But when you look at the PGA and you look at the US Open, you know, there are some courses that are always going to be on the, on the rotation. The PGA Tour can never buy pebble beach or Olympic Club. Right. Quail Hollow isn't for sale. I'm trying to think of some other courses. Oakmont, I mean, that's a, that's a private course in Pittsburgh. Like, they're not selling that thing. Wingfoot, it's a public course owned by, I would imagine, the city of New York it's not available for purchase. So I hear what you're saying. I think it's probably a little more complicated than the execution to pull that off. Question for the bag. Can you share any insight into Vegas Giant MLB logo across his chest? I can't imagine another major sport that allows sponsorship logos on jerseys being okay with the promotion of another sport. I. No. I mean, I don't even know what to say. I've never really thought about it that way. I don't think if you're golf, you really care if guy is an NFL or, or major league logo on you. I'm not quite sure. I think he's Venezuelan, so maybe there is some carryover of an international guy. Someone said that Payne Stewart used to have something similar. Maybe like the NFL. He was a big, I think Steeler fan. But I don't think golf cares at all. Like, I don't think they view Major League Baseball as like competition. I don't think baseball views that way either. I think it's more where he comes from. Promoting to that region for baseball would be my guess. I'm sure there are articles out there. Maybe I'll google that tonight. How would you rank the states? The states, in terms of golf? Have you ever heard of Crosswater Golf Course in Bend, Oregon or Circling Raven in Northern Idaho? No, I haven't. I haven't played golf in that many states. I've never played golf in Florida. I've never played golf in any, you know, Charlotte area, which I think is viewed really highly. The majority of my golf is California. Now Arizona. I've played Bandon Dunes in Oregon and then I've played in the Philadelphia Jersey area. So in my experience, I mean, California is pretty special. It has some of the best and most important courses in the sport. Right. I would say pebble beach, while not the best course, is got to be on the short list. Like if you go, what's the most iconic golf courses in the world? I think Augusta and St. Andrews in some order are one and two. And I think every single human casual or not casual, Pebbles getting listed pretty quickly. You know, Olympic Clubs, a legendary U.S. open course. Torrey Pines is a unique public course that has hosted just tournaments for a long, long time. I mean, Riv has one of the best tournaments on the PGA Tour. Countless other courses in la, especially private ones from LACC to Beverly Hills Country Club to, you know, the Monterey area beside pebble. You got Monterey Peninsula Country Club, you got Cypress, you just got awesome courses in the Bay Area. San Francisco Country Club Cow Club. So I would say it'd be hard to beat California. I think most people would say that either Jersey or Pennsylvania is pretty beautiful area for golf. I've always wanted to get down to Florida. I mean, just, there's just obviously you got from Sawgrass to, I think they played Seminole a couple years ago to the, you know, Jordan's club, to the Bear. I mean, a lot of these are country clubs, but how do you think players feel about threesomes they are put into on Thursday and Friday? Didn't know where you're going with that at first. They always seem to load up groups with big stars, which is obviously good for viewership. Take Rory, Xander and Scotty at the PGA this week. Do you think they want to be with top contending guys to motivate them or would they rather not be distracted? I would guess if you could ask like a guy like Xander or Scotty or Rory, it doesn't necessarily like, because like Rory and Scotty and Bryson are such big draws. They could be playing with me and you and the crowd is going to be massive. I think the key is for people playing well. If you are playing with other guys on Thursday and Friday that are playing well, like anyone that's ever played golf. If you're having a good day and you're playing with other guys that are playing well, it's easier to keep that momentum going. Just like if you're playing shitty and everyone around you playing shitty, it just kind of goes that way. I. I wonder too, at this point in time, a lot of these guys are numb. Like, do they really see the fans? I bet most of them barely even notice, you know, or me and you. If we were teeing off for 100 people, we'd be nervous. I just don't think these guys really like that anymore. So my guess would. When you're a big name, you're used to just playing with big name people. So you just kind of. It's just part of the deal. On the chance you record a go low where you think the top guys in live stand with their contracts. For guys like Bryson, Neiman and others who still have their competitive career in front of them, do you think they go back to the Tour for someone like Bryson, do you think he'd be willing to skip PGA Tour events for sake of having a time to YouTube in the future? It's clear no one cares about live. And I can't imagine a merger happening with live draining so much money, which is now a public story. Bad luck. Does the PGA Tour sit back, relax and let all roads lead back to them. That kind of feels like what's happening currently is that we are just in a game of waiting them out. And I think it's clear if you had a draft pick of you could have one guy off live it wouldn't PJ Tour wouldn't even hesitate. You would take Bryson DeChambeau. It's a no brainer pick. I think with Jon Rahm showing signs of life again. Jon Rahm is not that old so the thing is though he just signed last year so this is his second year. He's 30 years old but he's a guy he's already won a couple majors. Like I think you would like him and Bryson back. I mean those are huge talents. You know DJs done I feel like and I don't even blame DJ, it doesn't feel like he cares. I'm not going to write this guy off completely because he's proven us wrong before. But I would say the best golf of Koepka's career is behind him though. I think he's a good example. I do think he'd get his mojo back just coming back to the PGA Tour and playing with those guys. I bet it's really really difficult for him. I mean he's always been a bright light guy and now he's playing in tournaments that truly don't matter at all. It's just completely irrelevant. You know I think Neiman, I think all these guys are going to end up playing with each other again. I don't know how. I have no clue how this whole thing's going to work but I do think Liv is coming down the home stretch and I do think the PGA Tour with Tiger he was just the White House, you know. Now he's banging trumps Donald Jr's ex wife like this is lives done. I think Liv is in I I don't know exactly the details but I know he's been over there and with the Saudis it wouldn't shock me at all if you just get like lives is dead you know and everyone from the on the live go back to the PGA Tour just curious on some bucket lick list. Courses you would love to play can be private or public but don't include the cliche. Cypress, Pine Valley, Augusta. I would love to play golf in the South. Any of the courses in Florida, you know, tpc, Sawgrass obviously that's probably a little cliche but any cool courses in Florida I'm down the Myrtle beach stretch like where they play Where JT just won at Harbor Town. Like, I would love to play golf there. I would love to just play golf in the South. I've never played down there. I never have a bad time if you invite me or I have the opportunity to play a nice country club, whether it's famous or not. That's a bucket list moment to say I played Club X. I always think that's really, really cool. So, like, I've been invited to play, you know, different courses around here, like Mesa Country Club, Phoenix Country Club, Arizona Country Club. And I like, really genuinely have a great time, whether I shoot 77 or 88. Just like, this is cool. Like, it's a, it's a big deal to me. I really enjoy playing different courses. So, yeah, I mean, I, I, my bucket list is to play anywhere cool. I do not discriminate when it comes to, to golf. If you tell me it's, it's, the sun's out, it's good weather, and it's ideally, you know, like a Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So I don't have as much on my plate, not football season. So I can just enjoy life. We're having a few transfusions. I'm game. I'm not a, I'm not a golf snob in the sense of, like, obviously I wouldn't turn down Augusta, but if, like, you have, like, my brother's at, like, a working class country club that costs $5,000 to join. And whenever I play there with him, his buddies and my buddies, like, it's. I fucking blast. What is the best stretch a golfer has had in recent memory? Has anyone ever won all four majors in one year? Scotty's 24 has to be up there. I think it'd probably be Jordan's like 15 and 16. You know, I think Jordan Spieth, I think Spieth won multiple majors in a year and then won the Masters. So speed. It would probably be this little stretch. In 2015, Spieth won the Masters, he won the US Open, he finished fourth at the Open, and he finished second at the PGA. And then the next year he probably should have won the Masters and he imploded and he finished second. Then he won the Open a couple, and then a year later. So I would say, like, that 15, the 15 to the Masters in 2016 stretch for Jordan, it's probably the best start to finish when you win multiple majors. I do feel like Scotty's going to win one more major this year, and then Rory could win. You know, I think the, the British Opens in his hometown. So he's going to be a heavy favorite for that. Big fan. My buddies and I are looking into a golf trip. We have done Tahoe, Scottsdale and this other course in Florida. We are talking about Pinehurst or Band and Dunes. What would you, what would be some of the top places you would recommend for a golf trip? I've been to Band in Dunes. This was in 2018, so Sheep Ranch didn't exist and we played Bandon Trails, we played Band in Dunes and we played Old McDonald so we missed on one of them. I thought it was incredible. I just haven't been back for whatever reason. But I would go back in a heartbeat. At the member guest I was at two weeks ago actually a guy Zekus that we had played with probably a month before that who was a swimmer at Notre Dame. He's a good guy. We were bullshitting over, over a beer and he was saying that he had just played right. I was in the line to get a beer and he was walking by and he was saying how he just got back from Pinehurst and he was there for like a week and they played every course. They played like six of the Piners courses and Tobacco Road and he just said it was awesome. So like I never talked to any human being that's been abandoned Dunes and didn't rave about it. Now the wind can get pretty outrageous. The afternoon when we played was, was a little much, but I would say I think one of those two would be a no brainer. The one thing I heard about Pinehurst is you got to be like a year ahead. You can't just do it like a month out. So it can be difficult to get times. But I would highly recommend Band and Dunes as a Ping collector. I'm curious with living in Scottsdale, relatively close to Phoenix, is Ping a more popular brand there than other manufacturers? Also, how highly do you regard Ping? It's tough to say because you just kind of based on who you're playing with. PXG is also here and I play with some guys that are fully set it in pxg. So I feel like PXG has a pretty big presence here more than Ping. Now I, I don't really pay. I feel like most people have like Tailor Made or Titleists. So I. It doesn't feel like Pings any bigger here than it would be when I lived in Northern California or if you live in Texas, if you go to a golf course, I think they're going to be the minority of people with clubs. And my guess would be that the Callaway and Taylor made are gonna have a pretty big stranglehold with most people will be my guess. But I guess, to answer your question, I don't notice Ping more than more than I have other places just because they're here. Okay, first off, how about the Thunder? Got a nice little win today. Beat the shit out of the Nuggets. If there's one thing I took away from the PGA Championship, it's how much it sucks that we don't get Bryson, Scotty, Rom, Rory, etc. Battle it out more than four times a year. In an alternate universe, I wonder how many less wins Scotty would have had last year. I'm a big Scotty guy, and he's winning as I type this, but for that sake of discussion, yeah, maybe one or two. I. I think clearly when he's been on, he dominates now, as you see. Like, if they're playing an easier course, could Rom or Bryson win? For sure. But I don't think live really diminishes him as much as it would if these guys. Like, if it wasn't for Bryson. You know, Scotty's beaten Xander. He's won two of the last four majors, and he's beaten Rory, who won the Masters. So it's. And honestly, beside Bryson, how many of these live guys, you know, Rom coming to play today? It's not like these live guys. There's like three of them every week in these or, I mean, in the majors that you got to worry about. It's really just been Bryson. And for the first time in a while, Rom. So, like, thank God for Bryson in terms of Liv's credibility with these big tournaments, because he's fucking carrying them. I mean, Koepka's drinking, miller lights, DJs fishing, run around Paulina. Phil's just old and not good anymore. And, you know, Joaquin Neiman, cute little story, solid little player. I mean, has no chance. Hatton's screaming F bombs at his club. I mean, it's really just Bryson. So I. I don't know. I. I don't think it would impact that much. But ultimately, hopefully, his conversation can just die sooner and later. We can get everyone back together and we can just play some real golf. But we'll end on that. Congrats to Scotty. Wins his third major, and it's just on the top of the world, as I saw on Twitter. From Jail to Quail. That would have been an incredible call by Jim Nance. From Jail to Quail. Scotty Scheffler is the PGA Champion of 2025. Have a good day. Talk to you soon. See you.
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Is a soap opera Western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
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