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Greg Rosenthal
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We're just going to hit that really bizarre game between the Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers that featured players from both teams playing in opposite jerseys and a really weird vibe from the crowd. Fire Nico Chance Very interesting quote from Luka Doncic after the game as well. Just a really strange night in Dallas as Luka Doncic drops 45 points and Lakers get a much needed win for them in the seating situation. We are going to cover that game in detail and then after that we're going to take a Q and A from the chat. So if you're here, make sure you subscribe to the channel, drop your questions in the chat. We're going to do a good 15, 20 minutes of questions at the tail end. The quote from Luca I love these fans. I love this city, but it's time to move on. If that quote doesn't encapsulate what was a strange night in Dallas, I don't know what does. You guys know the drill. 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So it was such a weird vibe in the arena because usually when we see these types of situations, there's been at least somewhat of a case that, you know, that is built over time where it's like, yeah, we might need to move on from this guy, or maybe we should move on from this guy. And so, yeah, the player will come back and everyone will give them their moment of appreciation. But then it's like, all right, let's get down to basketball, let's compete. Screw these guys, we're going to get a win. And could not be a vibe further from that because the most absurd trade in NBA history, the trade that sent one of the most accomplished 25 year olds in the history of the league away from a team that he was completely and totally committed to, as evidenced by, by his reaction to the tribute video. The trade has left a bad taste in a lot of these fans mouths, right? And the way they reacted was to effectively cheer on Luca all night long to the point where you could literally see it have an effect on several Mavericks players. I thought Anthony Davis and Klay Thompson in particular, for being the competitors that they've been for the majority of their career. There wasn't a ton of fight there. You can tell. I thought they were affected by it. The game just had this super weird vibe. It never kind of took on the energy level in terms of Dallas and the energy they play with that I think they could have won this game. Dallas has some advantages. Their guards are really athletic. They have the ability to get to the rim on this team. And the Lakers are worn down. Fourth game in. In. Or excuse me, third. Third game in four nights. Just had to play a couple really emotional games in Oklahoma City. This could have been a game that could have gone a different direction, but it just felt like there was never enough, like, energy and life for Dallas to feed off of. It was just a really strange night, the tribute, you know, it was funny when I was watching the tribute video, it's just a casual reminder of how much Luka Doncic has accomplished in his brief time in a Dallas Mavericks jersey from the series against the Clippers, where he's just scoring on dudes and talking shit every time down the floor. The myriad of crazy shots that he hit over the years to win games, to extend games at the end of quarters, end of shot clocks, the Western Conference finals run with what he did to Phoenix, what he did last year, the. The insane regular season, high scoring games. There's just so many things that Luca got done in such a short period of time that even though he's only 25 years old, it just took on this feel like this great bit of history was wasted. And you could just see it really affect Luka. And I was just so impressed because I can't imagine going from a situation where you're as emotional as he was to going into a game where the entire success of the Lakers depends on Luka Doncic, his ability to break down the defensive coverage that Dallas was using, which we're going to get into in a minute. It's a lot of pressure. You factor in not just the responsibility that he had in that game, but the emotions at play in the situation, and the fact that they're on their third game in four nights and the fact that they really needed that game. They lose that game, they suddenly absolutely must beat Houston on Friday and absolutely must beat Portland on Sunday, which, again, Portland, you know, do you feel like they can take care of business there? But that's not an easy game against Houston. Houston's beating everybody as of late. This was a very, very important game. 45 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists. Carried the offense in the first half when the Laker defense was a complete no show. And then finally the Laker defense was able to take control of the game in the second half. A scoring burst from LeBron James in the fourth quarter, some cherry on top scoring from Luca, and the Lakers ended up getting the win that they so badly needed. Now, I was really curious to see what kind of game plan that we would see from Jason Kidd in this game. He's got a bunch of drop coverage bigs on his roster, Right. And as we know, the Lakers have struggled over the majority of this stretch of the season against switching. And one of the big reasons why has been Luca has struggled to beat bigs on an island compared to what it, you know, looked like in years past. Right. What's super encouraging is this is the third game in a row there wasn't as much against okc. We saw a couple of possessions in the second half on Tuesday. Famously the one right before he got ejected where he faced Hartenstein on a switch. There were like three or four other switches in that game, but OKC did run a good amount of drop in that game. However, between tonight's game, the few reps against Hartenstein, and then the game on Sunday, Luca had those big, big dudes dancing. They had no idea what they were doing out there on the perimeter. And he was cooking them. Cooked Hartenstein over and over and over again on Sunday, a few more times on Tuesday. Tonight, Derek Lively right out the gate. Interestingly enough, Jason Kidd will run a lot of drop with those guys. And he's a guy who famously has liked to blitz over the years, particularly liked to blitz Laker ball handlers in ball screens. And so I was expecting them to come out and maybe consider blitzing, but went was switching with those fives. And Luka was just no problem at all, getting Lively on his backside and jumping straight up and down as Lively's pursuing from behind and committing fouls, getting easy dribble penetration. I've always been amazed by Luka's ability to use just little change of pace moves and using his size and leverage physically to get drill penetration on basically everyone. But he just demolished the Mavs in switches over and over and over again. And then one of the other things too, like the, the short range shot making isn't there yet. I felt like it got a little closer today. Today was. I feel like his short range shot making has been off, off a lot over the course of this phase in the season. But I thought tonight he was just getting a little closer. The misses were just a little closer to going in. A little bit more confidence, a little bit more crispness in the release. I feel like he's getting closer, but the step back three, he's got it going over these like six four to six five dudes. He just doesn't see them when he takes that pullback dribble and he's getting it off whenever he wants. Just an unbelievable sequence from Luka Nachic. And it was so important because early in the game the Lakers were not very good defensively. It kind of reminded me a lot of the Oklahoma City game on Tuesday. LeBron James has an enormous amount of defensive responsibility on this team. Since Anthony Davis went out, the entire identity of the defense has shifted. Now when Anthony Davis was on the team, they didn't have much of a defensive identity. They started to play a little better towards the end, but they had a rough defensive season. But in years past, the identity with AD has been Anthony Davis at the rim. That's been the identity of the defense and his ability to at the end of games switch on to perimeter players. Just Anthony Davis being the wrecking ball that he is on the defensive end of the floor. Since AD left, it's completely shifted to much more of like a connective defense. A we are all in this together. We all have to fly around and rotate. And LeBron is the captain of that ship. He's the guy that is, you know, sussing out actions as they're taking place and calling out coverages, anticipating things before they happen. And so when LeBron kind of lets his foot off the gas in that department, the defense has tended to fall apart. Even going Back to when LeBron was out of the lineup entirely, how poor the defense looked at stretches. And in both games, in the second half of the Oklahoma City game and in the second half tonight, LeBron came out of that halftime locker room and was like, it's time to go. And in both games, he completely took over defensively and was able to reestablish the team there. I thought the Lakers had a very, very smart defensive game plan for Anthony Davis. Overall, big shock. JJ Reddick coached the guy, so he's familiar with his strengths and weaknesses. And Anthony Davis over the years has made moderate improvements handling double teams, but historically, it has not been a strength of his. And JJ Had a very simple game plan. Same game plan that he used against Nicola Jokic earlier this year, the same game plan he used against Carl Anthony Towns earlier this year. They used a similar game plan against Giannis earlier this year. They will front the post to try to deny the catch and try to get you to just bail on it by fronting the post and situating a defender right behind him so that it looks like you can throw that over the top pass. But if you do, you're running the risk of that defender from behind coming over and blocking that pass away. And so what ends up happening is you're preying on the indecision of the guys who make the entry passes, and they were just, in many cases, looking to go another direction. And then when they did get Anthony Davis, the ball, he would get immediately doubled from the baseline side. Same exact concept they used against Jokic and against Carl Towns. Soon as they managed to successfully get the post entry, the guy that's fronting quickly disengages, overplays the middle shoulder towards the middle of the floor to try to force Anthony Davis to spin to the baseline or face up. And as he does, then the double comes from that baseline side, and they're preying on that indecision from Anthony Davis and rotating out of it. There was a couple of adjustments around the way, like they tried having Anthony Davis just bring the ball up the floor himself and dribble into a post up, still ran into the baseline double team and turned it over. They did actually get an easy bucket for Anthony Davis on a flash Cut from Daniel Gafford. And this, by the way, is just a, a, a counter that Dallas should have used more frequently that they just didn't go to. But fronting the post, Gafford's on the back line. Gafford's man is bracketing on AD Gafford flashes up to the semicircle. As he does, the backside helper has to follow him, or he probably shouldn't, but he goes with him as he does. When Gafford catches, suddenly there's no one behind AD he could just float it over the top. He gets an easy layup, but they just never were able to repeatedly make the reads or the adjustments necessary to handle that action. And then AD Just kind of disappeared from the game. And I was talking with our, our guys before we went live, like, you know, as someone who's rooted for Anthony Davis a lot over the years, and this is just something for you Mavs fans to just, just kind of keep in mind as you're embarking on this journey, rooting for Anthony Davis. He is always going to struggle with double teams. That's been a pretty consistent thing that he'll struggle with. But he'll also have games when he's healthy, when he's like, really healthy and in shape and has something to play for, where even when he's struggling to get the ball in a situation like that, he'll just be a wrecking ball in every other facet of the game. He'll get like six offensive rebounds and fly around on defense, and he'll end up with like 19 and 17 and like three blocks and four steals. And he'll find a way to impact the game even when he's not playing well. Now. He will also have games where that fight and competitiveness is just not there. And that can happen from time to time, even when he is healthy. I think it happens a lot more, as I've noticed over the years, when he's banged up, when he doesn't really feel like there's as much to play for. And so honestly like it like AD Got game planned out of this one and when he got game planned out, he didn't have any sort of second punch to go with. And, you know, like, as LeBron engaged things for the defense, because that's the thing, they did a good job with their defensive game plan with Anthony Davis in the first half where they did a poor job was containing the ball and their backside rotations on dribble drives. And so they just got diced up in the pain. I Think they gave up like something like 28, 30 something points in the, in the first half, just in the paint. Right. But in that second half, LeBron gets engaged, he gets going, really helps them regain control of things defensively. And then in that fourth quarter, it was kind of a perfect example from LeBron of what I was just talking about with Anthony Davis. LeBron's been struggling with his rhythm since he came back from his injury. LeBron has been a guy that's been inconsistent offensively in this last couple of weeks, but he was just like, I, I'm 6, 9, 2, 60, with still great athleticism at my age, and I can just play really hard and cut and crash and post, seal and drive and just do everything I can just through sheer force of will to impact the game. And he ends up lighting the scoreboard on fire in that fourth quarter. Everything just right at the rim. And again, like, LeBron has something to play for right now. That's the big difference. But like, I thought LeBron demonstrated an example of how like in defensive rhythm or when you're, when a defense gets you out of rhythm, how you can kind of play yourself into rhythm as an athlete just by playing super hard. That's the advantage of being one of the supreme athletes in the game is like, you can make up a lot of lost ground just by getting your body moving around and doing as much as you can with it. Outside of what has variance, there's variance in running action against a loaded up defense, there's variance in jump shooting, there's not variance in how big and strong LeBron James is. That's going to be their every single possession. And I thought that fourth quarter stretch from him was a classic case of like, he was obviously tired, he was budgeting in his energy all game. He stepped it up. Defense, like, it almost made sense. Luka carried things offensively earlier. LeBron carried things defensively late in the game. And then he just was like, I've noticed this a bunch since Luka came to the team, but, you know, it used to be that LeBron led the early fourth quarter unit even when Anthony Davis was there. It was a very similar type of rotation. LeBron would lead the early fourth quarter unit and he would come out of the game with like, you know, seven or eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. Anthony Davis would come back in and then LeBron would come back in for the last four to five minutes to close. And in times past, LeBron James would manage that early fourth quarter shift with more of an emphasis towards conserving energy, and he would do his thing and he would try to help the team as best as he can, but he knew, like, when I come back in with five minutes left, I'm the guy that has to try to make all of this stuff happen. And Luka Doncic has just alleviated that. And I've just seen so many examples now where it looks like LeBron starting that early fourth quarter shift with a completely different mentality that's like, I'm going to let everything I have in the gas tank go right here, right now, because Luka's coming in with seven minutes left and I'll be playing with an advantage the rest of the game, or just a handful of touches here or there when Luka needs a rest or when Luka has gets his first action shut down or something along those lines. And so this, I like that kind of, you know, pattern that we're seeing from LeBron in terms of the, that early fourth quarter aggression. And I do think when we get to the postseason, we'll see more consistent defensive engagement from him when he doesn't have to do something absurd like play three games in four nights and deal with some of the scheduling quirks like, you know, we got to cut the Lakers a little bit of slack in terms of just how many games they've played between March 1st and now. It's kind of crazy. They've played like 20 something games literally in the last, you know, five, six weeks. And it's, you can tell it's wearing on them a little bit, but they're just finding ways to get as much done as they need to get done. You go into that road trip with two games in OKC and a game in Dallas that's got all the weirdness surrounding the situation with Luka. And for you to go two in one and to have a one point lead when Luca gets ejected in the OKC game. I thought they played some really, really impressive basketball. I thought the defense in general was super encouraging over the course of this three game stretch. I thought they looked awesome start to finish in the Sunday game. I thought they looked awesome in the second half against OKC on Tuesday, and I thought they looked awesome in the second half tonight against Dallas. The so call that what that's four good halves out of six on the defensive end of the floor. I don't think they played four good halves of defense in the previous 10 games. So, like, it's a really good sign that they're starting to regain some of that defensive identity that they had earlier on, before LeBron James hurt his groin, I thought it was really nice to have Rui Hachimura back. He was a little bit out of whack early in the game as the game was a little bit faster. But there in that second half he just kept getting these wide open looks and to his credit he just kept trusting his work, trust in his release and hit several big ones there. He's just so important for the physical profile of the team too. I didn't even think he was particularly great tonight as a defensive player and in some of read and react situations, but just having another guy who's, you know, six nine and big and strong and can move a little bit just changes that physical profile of the team. Couple big picture things with the Mavs. As I mentioned, the the Anthony Davis process will look different from matchup to matchup. Teams that switch there is a tendency with Anthony Davis to either post up and struggle with double teams or to settle for a lot of contested mid range jump shots. And then the when he doesn't have it going offensively, it's kind of like a 50, 50 shot. Whether or not you're going to get I'll still be an athletic wrecking ball or I won't. And I think that's going to be just kind of part of the process of, of of learning how to build around Anthony Davis and finding ways to cover for him on that front. And that's one of the things that I like about having him in some of those two big looks is that it allows him to kind of change the way he wants to play defensively depending on how he's feeling on any given night. I thought Najee Marshall was great tonight. Naji's consistently been one of my favorite players in the league as a role player. I was a big fan of the signing when it happened last summer. To me he's like one of the more versatile role player guards that you have in the league in the sense that like he can be a spot up guy but he can also run some action for you. He can beat switches against smaller guards because he's a good athlete that has like a pretty underrated handle compared to a lot of role player guys that you have in the league. And then he's pretty big strong athlete for the guard position too, which gives him some defensive utility. I thought he had a really fun game tonight and he was one of the few Dallas Mavs tonight that really brought the competitive energy in a game that so desperately needed it on the Dallas front. Big win for the Lakers, though, they got a an even bigger one coming up here on Friday. The that game, we will have an instant reaction to or working the weekend this week to make that happen. So essentially the way that the schedule will work out is we are going on Saturday morning to cover the Friday night slate. We will hit multiple games from that slate, including Lakers Rockets. The way that I would expect J.J. redick to handle it is to go to his guys and be like, here's the deal. If you beat Houston tonight, you guys can have the weekend off Saturday, Sunday, fly out of town on Friday night, go to Cabo if you want, spend some time with your families, get a break. We'll come back. This coaching staff will spend the weekend prepping. You guys get ready to come back on Monday and work. If you lose to Houston, Sol, you got to come back and beat Portland on Sunday and we're starting our prep right away. Maybe you get Monday off, but no one's allowed to go on vacation because they got to be in town. We start practice on Tuesday. Find some way to motivate those guys and create more of a must win environment around that Houston Rockets game because then you get the three seed no matter what, and you can allow yourself to effectively punt that Sunday game or not have to worry about it at all whatsoever. And you get seven full days off guaranteed before your first round playoff game. Potentially eight if you end up playing on Sunday. So I think that should be the plan heading into that Houston Rockets game. I also just think it's a another opportunity for Luca and LeBron specifically to get some reps against their perimeter guys. Houston is high risk for a first round upset because they have so many, you know, issues on the offensive end of the floor. However, there is a pretty decent chance that we get Lakers Rockets in the second round. At least a chance that's worth, you know, considering. Right. And so if it ends up being Rockets Lakers, that was a matchup where even though the Lakers won last time, they had some difficulty dealing with their bigger, stronger perimeter defenders. It's not the same type of matchup as okc. They're bigger, their perimeter guys are bigger, and they have more of a sizing position on the front line as well with Shangoon and Adams. So it might be another opportunity for the Lakers to get some reps against that team so they can get some more footage to improve their game planning heading into a playoff series. I think they should go for it entirely in that Houston game. The counter case, I guess, would be these guys play crazy physical we don't want to get hurt. Let's save it for Portland. But I think you're messing with the basketball gods if you do that sort of thing, too. I would try to beat Houston. All right, guys, before we get out of here, let's get to our chat mailbag. Jackson's going to hop on and we'll get to about 15, 20 minutes of questions.
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say, say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Daniel Jeremiah
All right, let's start with this one. What team would be a good first round matchup for the Lakers? I believe quick guards such as the warriors and dominant big men like the Clippers and Nuggets may give the Lakers some trouble. So who would you say would be, you know, one of the easier matchups for the Lakers in the first round?
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Jason Tatum
So obviously all of the teams that are, you know, less big picture imposing from a talent perspective. So, like, Memphis would be a team that I would be okay with playing in the first round. I think the Lakers match up reasonably well with Minnesota because of two reasons. One, it's just a perfect situation for JJ from a defensive game planning standpoint to mess with Anthony Edwards is kind of like limited playmaking ability at this phase in his career. I also think Luca is super comfortable against all of their perimeter defenders, which is a kind of like a neutralizing impact. That's the thing with okc, okay? See as all these incredible perimeter defenders, but none of them guard Luca. And that's kind of the same sort of issue with a Minnesota. He just throws Jaden McDaniels around like a rag doll. Nikhil Alexander Walker's too small to guard him. Like, there's just so many opportunities for him to deal with those guys. Again, Memphis, because they've been falling apart. I think the Lakers would beat Denver relatively easily just because Denver is literally incapable of getting stops in that matchup. Like they are just completely. It's the nightmare matchup for Denver's defense is to deal with the Lakers because you're going to have to bring Jokic up to the level and you just have too much playmaking and connective playmaking and play finishing around them. The teams that I would be desperate to avoid, I shouldn't say desperate to avoid, but that I would want to avoid if I was the Lakers would be the Clippers and the warriors warriors because of the quick guard. They just don't have anybody that can really guard Steph and make him uncomfortable. With the Clippers. It's not so much about Zubac's size, it's the fact that they can't game plan for him specifically the way they can in the Jokic matchup. They have to game plan for Kawhi and game plan for Harden, which leaves Zubac sometimes operating with an advantage underneath the basket and he can do a lot of damage there. That said, the Lakers have done well against the Clippers in their matchups this year. I do think that I would pick them against the Clippers Warriors Lakers. Much more of a coin flip. That's a series that I would try to avoid if I was the Lakers.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I think another reason the Timberwolves feel like a very winnable matchup is they theoretically have size, but I don't know if any of that size translates in like an offensive glass crashing type of player. Or like Zubotch for example, if you, if you're switching on defense, he can punish a guard if he gets posted up on a guard. If Rudy Gobert gets posted up on Austin Reeves, you're like okay, go one on one, see what happens. Like it's not something that they would be even remotely worried about. So I agree of the sort of more realistic options for who they might play in the first round. I feel like Timberwolves feels they just don't have enough offensively and easy enough to game plan for. To your point on JJ's side, I.
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Jason Tatum
Think Minnesota could upset somebody. I just don't think the Lakers are the team they would upset.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I agree, but we had another question about the Timberwolves. Let's stay on there for a second. What, what flaws do you see in the Timberwolves that make them fringe contenders and what sort of gives them the ability to make a medium to long playoff push if if things fall in their favor?
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Jason Tatum
So I did some contender rankings today with the Nerd Sesh guys and the I won't spoil it because I'm going to end up going into it in more detail on the show with Sam Vin next week. But I ended up splitting them into two tiers. My top tier contenders and my second tier contenders and my top tier is five teams that I have in an order that I feel very like. I feel like I have them in that order for specific reason. And I have them ranked, intended to be one above the other as the way the list works out. But from 6 to 12, I kind of have a bunch of teams jumbled up and I could take any of them in any one of those spots. However, I ended up putting the Timberwolves at the top of that tier and the main reason why I put them at the top of that tier is I think they are the team that benefits the most by far from playoff physicality. And yes, they have issues offensively. They had another catastrophic collapse against the Bucks last night. They've had been a nightmare clutch team all year. Anthony Edwards is very young and is still learning how to handle all the defensive attention. He's the most blitz player in the league. There's a bunch of stuff that they have that are big red flags for like this team's probably not going to win four rounds. But that physicality piece, their ability to just come into a gym and maul you, combined with Anthony Edwards, like Anthony Edwards is one of the very short list of players in this league. That is a true you better just hope he misses type of player. He's going to get to his spot, he's going to rise up and he's going to get that flip of the wrist and you better just cross your fingers and hope that he's off that night. So they just have a lot of upset potential for the top tier teams in the league and that's why I ended up putting them at the top of that tier. Like I think the Timberwolves even have the potential to upset okc. That's how much of a ceiling I think they have. They arguably have the widest range between floor and ceiling of any of these contenders, but their ceiling is pretty damn high.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think, I think that's. That range of outcomes really crystallizes around Julius Randle's shot making also. It's like he has shown the ability to be kind of a devastating mid post player and when his three point jumper is going, in addition to that, he's, he's actually like very, very challenging to guard and creates a ton of matchup problems because of his size. But we've seen it enough times in the playoffs as well where he just thrown up some real, real stinkers. So him specifically in his shot making feels like it is a perfect encapsulation of that range of outcomes sort of problem for them.
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Jason Tatum
Would Julius Randle too, like I want to cut him a little bit of slack because he has this reputation of being a playoff faller and it is well documented statistically. So I'm not trying to call the data bad. However, there was some context in the sense that if I remember correctly his first playoff run he was healthy and he played poorly. Not exactly the biggest shock. Most players struggle when they translate to the playoff setting the first time, but he's had some years where he's gone into the postseason either currently injured or just back from an injury or you can tell his rhythm is not there. And so even though Julius has a history of struggling in the postseason, if they get a favorable matchup in that first round where he gets a couple smalls that he can attack in that mid post area like you're talking about and the defensive game plan allows him to turn over that left shoulder for that fade away from like 12ft. I absolutely think that he could be an excellent playoff player. And I'll take it a step further. I think he could potentially be the type of second option that Cat wasn't at times in the postseason cause Katt was more of a play finisher. I think Julius, I think Julius is a better one on one player and there is a potential upside there that has been there since the beginning of the trade.
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Greg Rosenthal
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Daniel Jeremiah
This was a super chat question from Marjon. Thank you for the super chat, Marjon. Luka is so much like LeBron. Not just his game slash playstyle but his intensity during high leverage games. What did his play in this game show you for the playoffs?
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Jason Tatum
Yeah, the little things like just you could tell he was fatigued over the course of that game because he was the guy who had to completely carry the offense early. But then he just found a to make enough plays late in the game. I didn't think J I didn't think Luka got enough credit for this last year in the postseason. But He's a pretty solid off ball defender. When he has to guard in space, it can be a disaster. I think we can all agree to that. But like, he can anticipate things, he can jump passing lanes, he's very good defensive rebounder. He just will find a way to make little plays here and there that make big impacts on winning. And you know, honestly, like you've mentioned his similarities to LeBron. I think this is a similarity with most of the great competitors in NBA history, but they're always good at like little things that help teams win games. But I think, I think ultimately the, the, the similarity between LeBron and Luka is the immense value on every possession. And I think that that manifests in crunch time. Well for any team.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think for me, when I think about big game players and playoff performers, it feels like the guys who do a lot of elevating are the ones who have a combination of competitiveness like you're talking about, as well as the IQ, like LeBron, Luka, Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant. It's like even Kevin Durant is not someone you might, who doesn't necessarily get lumped into these high IQ conversations all the time. He's someone who really understands a full basketball game and the flow of a basketball game. Right. And I think that sort of a lot of these players, every player has something physical on the game that they do exceptionally well. And sometimes those guys can elevate that just on pure physicality. But there's something about the IQ and competitive, internal competitiveness, these sort of intangible things that when you combine those with those, those physical abilities, that's how I feel like you're really getting that elevation in the playoffs on a consistent basis. It's not just more shots fell, you know.
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Jason Tatum
No, it's a really good point. And like, it's kind of like we were talking about earlier with Anthony Davis. Like if LeBron James is on the team, he's sussing out that coverage and having the low man, the, the dunker spot guy flash to the high post like within the second or third possession that he sees it. There's a, it's like, it's like relentless execution that like the possession by possession, we're solving the puzzle. We're playing this one possession at a time and doing everything we can to take every inch we can. And I'm glad you highlighted competitiveness because competitiveness is the singular trait that it manifests in so many different ways. It's like some of the greatest competitors of all time are like kobe or like LeBron benevolent to like, to like Steph kind of like in the middle and like there's all these like different personality manifestations but as a competitiveness ultimately manifests in this like relentless execution because they hate losing so much.
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Daniel Jeremiah
100. 100. All right, we can take, we can take a few more. First up, let's do. Or next up, let's do. The question was what adjustments, improvements does the team need to make to beat the Rockets for a second time in a row? But I less want to think about it in terms of one singular Friday night game at the end of the regular season. More like if they matched up in the second round of the playoffs, what kind of things they need to continue to do well or what adjustments they need to make to be able to win a series against a team that is unquestionably more athletic and bigger than.
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Jason Tatum
I think the Lakers actually did a very good job in their last Houston matchup of mitigating Houston's athletic advantages. They held up reasonably well in the glass and they held up reasonably well in transition. I don't think they actually can do much better than that in those areas. I thought the difference between that game, I think the final score was like what, 104, 98. I think the difference between that game being 104, 98 and it being 11498 is literally just better efforts from LeBron James and, and Luka Doncic on offense. And I think that there's a certain amount of like you tip the cap to Houston's forwards for just doing a really good job of defending LeBron and Luka in space. But like, I think, I don't think either of them crossed 20 points if I remember correctly. Like they, they just really struggled to generate offense for themselves in that game. If you get a better version of Luka and LeBron and you give the same execution effort in the game plan, I think they handle Houston on Friday and win by 15.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I do too. It's, it feels, it feels a little too easy to write off the Rockets in the playoffs just because they're so young and because they are so lacking on the offensive end from like a consistent end of game scorer type. But it does feel like the teams that they could beat are not the teams with these veteran high IQ players. Like it's pretty tough to imagine them being the Lakers or the warriors in a playoff series. If you're like, oh yeah, they sort of out physical then just happen to make more shots than the Thunder, I'd be like, yeah, The Thunder are better, but, like, the Rockets do a version of what the Thunder do. You know what I mean? And they have a lot of similar flaws, but the Thunders have less of them. But it's tough to imagine at this point until we see it happen, them beating one of these veteran high IQ teams.
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Jason Tatum
Yeah, I need to watch the tape, but I would probably pick Houston over Memphis.
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Daniel Jeremiah
That's true.
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Jason Tatum
I think they'd lose to Golden State. I think they'd lose to Minnesota. I think they'd lose to the Clippers.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I agree. I agree.
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Jason Tatum
And it's far more likely it's. Well, roughly three out of four chance they're gonna face.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Right.
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Jason Tatum
But like, yeah, if they get Memphis in the first round, we're gonna get Lakers, Rockets, round two. Not. Not 100. Sure. But a good chance because Lakers are upsettable too, but yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
All right, let's do one more. I know this isn't normally your bag, but I think it's an interesting question. Do you have a strong opinion on who should get that fifth first team all NBA slot? The first four, I think that most people think are locks at this point are Shay, Jokic, Giannis, and Tatum. With the conversation mostly being Donovan Mitchell and Steph Curry at this point for that fifth spot. But it's an interesting. It's an interesting question.
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Jason Tatum
I think.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Oh, man, it was Donovan, I feel like for most of the season. And now he's had a bit of a spring swoon here. And so there's some. With pairing that with Steph's sort of spring rise. There's been some talk about can Steph take that spot? It's, etc.
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Jason Tatum
Etc. Yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And.
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Jason Tatum
And I don't blame Steph under the circumstances, but he just wasn't good enough in the early part of the year. That's a really good question. All of these dudes have pretty flawed cases for different reasons. So, yeah, I think you can make a reasonable case that Donovan Mitchell should hold on to it. And it's a nice reflection of the Cavs and their success that they've had this season, man. Yeah. Cause like Anthony Edwards, I think he's as good as he is. He's. He's had issues closing games and it's hurt his team this year. I saw a crazy stat. I think Logan from the Nerd Sesh guys brought it up today, but they've lost. The majority of their losses this year have come in crunch time, you know, like Kevin Durant hasn't been available enough.
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Daniel Jeremiah
There's a LeBron case there's a LeBron.
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Jason Tatum
Case, but like, like, yeah, I don't, I think I just give it to Donovan Mitchell. But again, as you mentioned, I, I, it's hard. I'm just, I'm just kind of going off the top of the head here because I'll be honest with you guys, like, I pay almost no attention to awards over the course of the season. It's not my wheelhouse. It's not something I'm particularly passionate about. So yeah, I know that that sucks, but I'm just not the guy.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think it's, I think just because of the body of work and it feels weird to have a team that good in the regular season, to not have a first team all NBA player. So I think it's totally reasonable to get it done. We can do one more. Why do transition points shrink in the playoffs? And do you think this traditional drop off will happen to the Thunder and in general, but also in a potential matchup with the Lakers?
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Jason Tatum
So in general, the game shifts in the postseason in terms of just the attention to detail and in execution. Right. So for instance, if you're a team that dominates the margins, that will manifest more so in the regular season than it does in the postseason. This is a big part of why, like I've been putting a little bit of a damper on some of these younger athletic teams that have been kicking everybody's butt in the regular season. Because you can, if you just take 10 more shots than everybody over the course of 82 games, you're going to win a lot of games. Like that's just, that's winning on the margins. Simply put, in a playoff series where everything's on the line, everybody is going to sprint back in transition defense more often. Everybody is going to, you know, watch those corner crashers and put a body on somebody in a box out. More often people are going to crackdown rebound from the weak side to help on contested rebounds. More often people are going to pay more attention to game plan discipline and people are going to be sharper with their closeouts and sharper with their rotations. Not to mention all the bad teams you play over the course of 82 are all in Cabo. So now you have only good teams that you're playing every single night. And so what ends up happening is the playoffs do tend to devolve down into matchup attacking because most role players are inconsistent in the postseason at knocking down shots. Most of these easy opportunities are few and far between. And it really does come down to like, can your best guy attack our weakest guy and get good shots. Better than your best guy can attack our weakest guy and get best shots. And like that, that, that really ends up being what happens most of the time in the postseason. All right, guys, that's all we have for tonight. As always, we sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting the show. Again, a little bit of a weird schedule. Instead of going Thursday, Friday this week, I'm going Saturday morning to cover the Friday slate. I'm going with calling Cowherd on Sunday in the evening so you guys can catch the Sunday reaction there. And then we'll be back on Monday. We'll do a brief reaction to the weekend and just some sort of big picture regular season takeaways. But then we're going to go right into season or playoff preview. So it's going to be like, it's just going to be, we have four series previews right away and then we get more out of the playing games. And we'll have reactions to the playing games, too, depending on, you know, who's playing. And so we'll have just a we're going to be just churning out the content like crazy starting this weekend on Saturday, but nothing until then. So everybody enjoy your next couple of days and I will see you on Saturday morning. What's up, guys? As always, I appreciate you for listening to and supporting Hoops tonight. It would actually be really helpful for us if you guys would take a second and leave a rating and a review. As always, I appreciate you guys supporting us, but if you could take a minute to do that, I'd really appreciate it.
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Greg Rosenthal
What'S up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL Draft season season. From DJs, mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.