Hour 1 - Aaron Rodgers

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 1: Aaron Rodgers
Release Date: April 18, 2025
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1. Introduction and Main Topic

Jordan Schultz opens the episode by delving into a recent interview featuring Aaron Rodgers on the ESPN Pat McAfee Show. The discussion centers around Rodgers' strained relationship with the New York Jets and the broader implications for both the player and the organization.

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2. Aaron Rodgers' Fallout with the New York Jets

Key Points:

• Organizational Mismanagement:

  • Jordan Schultz criticizes the Jets as a "second-class operation," highlighting poor treatment of Aaron Rodgers. He emphasizes that despite Rodgers' high salary, the Jets provided him minimal support, including limited time for phone conversations.

    "You can't treat employees that way. That's not how you treat people."
    (03:00)

• Player Polls and Organizational Performance:

  • Reference to the NFLPA player polls where the Jets received an "F," underscoring the team's longstanding playoff drought—the longest in North American sports, even surpassing the Washington Wizards.

    "They have the longest playoff drought in North American sports, longer than the Washington Wizards."
    (03:30)

• Management Turnover:

  • Schultz points out the instability within the Jets' management, citing the firing of Joe Douglas, whom he initially praised, and Robert Saleh shortly after. This instability contradicts previous statements by owner Woody Johnson about having one of the most talented teams.

    "Just this organization's not well run. Joe Douglas was bitter. Should be Robert Saleh, probably a little bitter."
    (04:15)

• Rodgers' Statements and Attitude:

  • Rodgers expressed uncertainty about his future, focusing on personal life over football, which Schultz interprets as unprofessional for a franchise quarterback.

    "Retirement could still be a possibility, but right now my focus is on my personal life."
    (05:00)

• Comparison with Other Organizations:

  • Contrasts the Jets' treatment of Rodgers with how other organizations, such as the Rams, Niners, Dodgers, and Baltimore, treat their players, highlighting the Jets' unique deficiencies.

    "Rams aren't treating people that way. Come on now."
    (04:45)

Insights:

• Schultz argues that the Jets' inability to properly manage and support a marquee player like Rodgers is symptomatic of deeper organizational issues, making them an unattractive destination for top talent.

• The discussion underscores the importance of player relations and organizational stability in maintaining a successful sports franchise.

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3. Aaron Rodgers' Interview Highlights

Notable Quotes from Rodgers:

1. Focus on Personal Life:

   "Retirement could still be a possibility, but right now my focus is on my personal life."
   (06:10)

2. Indifference Towards Football Obligations:

   "This entire time I haven't felt like I've owed anybody any sort of decision at any point."
   (07:05)

3. Lack of Commitment:

   "I'm trying to be open to anything and not specifically attached to anything."
   (07:30)

Analysis:

• Commitment Issues:

  • Schultz interprets Rodgers' comments as a lack of commitment, especially for someone in the "most important position in American sports." He contrasts Rodgers' approach with other legendary quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, who maintained a strong focus on football despite personal challenges.

• Leadership and Responsibility:

  • Emphasizes that as a franchise quarterback, Rodgers should embody dedication and reliability, akin to top professionals in other high-stakes fields such as surgery or piloting.

• Organizational Impact:

  • The discussion suggests that Rodgers' apparent disinterest and the Jets' poor treatment are mutually reinforcing problems, potentially hindering both parties' futures.

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4. Broader Sports Discussions

While the episode's primary focus is on Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets, Jordan Schultz and Dan Patrick also engage in various other sports topics:

a. NBA Playoffs Analysis

• Warriors vs. Rockets Series:

  • Schultz discusses the upcoming series, where the Warriors are favored due to Steph Curry's prowess and playoff experience. However, he counters this by highlighting potential weaknesses such as the Warriors' dependency on a two-man offense and the Rockets' home-court advantage and rebounding strength.

    "I think there's reasons they won't win it, but they could."
    (10:00)

• Player Performance and Team Dynamics:

  • Emphasizes Curry's versatility and work ethic, contrasting it with other stars who may lack defensive focus or off-ball work.

    "When a superstar either works really hard on defense or without the ball, it sends a message."
    (11:45)

b. MLB Dodgers Organization

• Dodgers' Excellence:

  • Schultz praises the Dodgers as the top organization in baseball, citing their consistent playoff appearances, effective farm system, and strategic player development.

    "The Dodgers have done that too and they still have a great farm system."
    (14:00)

• Management and Strategy:

  • Discusses Dave Roberts' leadership style, balancing a talented roster with effective player rotation and minimal disruptiveness from star players.

c. NFL Draft Insights

• 2025 NFL Draft Preview:

  • Schultz analyzes the upcoming NFL Draft, noting that all 32 teams still retain their first-round picks—a first since 1967—indicating a potentially less tumultuous draft with fewer trades.

    "The Denver Broncos said something yesterday. The GM said, we think the strength of the draft is in the late first and middle rounds."
    (30:00)

• Emerging Talents:

  • Highlights prospects like Colston Loveland and Ameka Buka, emphasizing their readiness to contribute immediately and the strategic value they hold for offensive-minded teams.

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5. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Jordan Schultz wraps up the episode by reiterating his skepticism about the Jets as a viable team for Aaron Rodgers, comparing the relationship to mismatched celebrity pairings. He emphasizes the importance of treating key players with respect and the detrimental effects of organizational dysfunction.

"Second class football operation and a quarterback that's old, past his prime, and, you know, mostly committed."
(10:35)

Key Takeaways:

• Organizational Health: The Jets exhibit significant organizational issues that not only affect player morale but also their competitive performance.

• Player Management: Effective management of star players is crucial for maintaining a successful sports franchise.

• Strategic Planning: Both immediate and long-term strategic planning are necessary to foster a winning culture and retain top talent.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "You can't treat employees that way. That's not how you treat people." — Jordan Schultz
  (03:30)

• "Retirement could still be a possibility, but right now my focus is on my personal life." — Aaron Rodgers
  (06:10)

• "When a superstar either works really hard on defense or without the ball, it sends a message." — Jordan Schultz
  (11:45)

• "Second class football operation and a quarterback that's old, past his prime, and, you know, mostly committed." — Jordan Schultz
  (10:35)

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Final Remarks

This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd provides a critical examination of Aaron Rodgers' relationship with the New York Jets, offering insights into the broader implications for the team and the player. Through in-depth analysis and comparisons with other successful organizations, the hosts underscore the essential elements of effective team management and player relations in professional sports.

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Note: This summary focuses on the core content related to Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, as well as other significant sports discussions, while excluding advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content segments to provide a comprehensive and engaging overview for those who haven't listened to the episode.

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Jordan Schultz]

You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. All right, it is Friday. Let's make it count. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Greg Cosell in one hour from now. Kozell's great. He's going to break down some of these college guys, quarterbacks, receivers, tight ends, maybe the best 15 minutes of the week. Greg Cosell, Jordan Schultz filling in for JMac. It's his Friday. He's done an amazing job this week, met his fans yesterday. Let's write, let's have a strong Friday with gusto.

[Dan Patrick]

Gusto. Bravado.

[Jordan Schultz]

Bravado, gusto. All right, so I want to start with this because at the end of our show yesterday, we touched on it. So yesterday, Aaron Rodgers on ESPN, Pat McAfee Show. They go for like a 20, 30 minute interview. They've been doing this for a couple years now. And I had two big takeaways on it because it was the end of the jets relationship. My two big takeaways are number one, the jets are a second class operation. Aaron Rodgers, his own dime, flies cross country on his, you know, citation or jet stream or Gulf Stream. Probably plays about $50,000 there and back, maybe 60. And they give him five minutes. They could have told him they didn't want him on the phone. I don't care how much Aaron makes. I don't care what you think about Aaron. You can't treat employees that way. That's not how you treat people. Rams aren't treating people that way. Come on now. Niners aren't treating people that way. Dodgers aren't treating people that way. Baltimore's not treating people like that. That's a second class move. And by the way, we have report cards to back that up. Remember when the players in the NFL had player polls? NFLPA player polls. Jets ranked 29th owner got an F by the jets players. An F. They also have the longest playoff drought in North American sports, longer than the Washington Wizards. It's not a well run organization at all. They fired Joe Douglas, who I thought was really Good. They fired Robert Salah in week five when the next game he was going to be if they won in first place. And they treat Aaron Rogers like a door to door salesman. Give me a break. And when Woody Allen, by the way, fired Robert Salah. Woody Johnson, sorry. When Woody Johnson fired Robert Sala, he said his quote was, this is one of the most talented teams that's ever been assembled by the New York Jets. Six weeks later he fired the GM that assembled the roster. You just said it was the best jets roster. The guy who assembled it you fired. So just this organization's not well run. Joe Douglas was bitter. Should be Robert Sala, probably a little bitter. Should be Aaron, sounded a little bitter. Should be my second takeaway on the Aaron Rodgers discussion yesterday. I'm going to read you his several of his quotes from the interview. And remember, he's a franchise quarterback, right? Most important position in American sports. Quote, retirement could still be a possibility, but right now my focus is on my personal life. He later said, I got a lot of things that are taking my attention away from football. That's where I've been focusing most of my attention on. He also said, you know, I'm trying to be open to anything and not specifically attached to anything. He also said, this entire time I haven't felt like I've owed anybody any sort of decision at any point. Bro. All in or all out. It's like being a surgeon at a hospital. They need to know if you're available when they call tomorrow for a 7 hour surgery to an 11 year old girl to save her life. It's not that serious, but it's serious. People depend on the top surgeon or the pilot or the CEO or the coach or the quarterback. They're depending on you. So you can't be like indifferent in casual. In California. Cool. At one point he talked about people in his inner circle are struggling and I can have sympathy for that. But the NFL bench is not a therapy couch. Nobody cares. That's your problem. Nobody cares about your inner circle. Tom Brady was going through personal stuff. We didn't hear about it. Tom was about football. The minute Tom was in the facility. It's all football, all the time. And he didn't talk about it. He was never distracting. Same with Peyton Manning. Didn't have a perfect life. So in closing, here's why I never bought into the New York Jets. And I always saw this relationship as more Carmen Electra and Dennis Rodman than Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. Why say it out loud? You know that's one of my rules in life. Whenever you're not sure if something's going to work, just say it out loud. Second class football operation and a quarterback that's old, past his prime, and, you know, mostly committed. Does that sound like the Ravens? Does that sound like the Rams or the Lions or the Eagles or the Chiefs? No. And that's why you're the Jets. I think the way they treated him is bush league. You don't have to. And I went on the Internet yesterday, people. Well, Aaron makes a lot of money. You either treat people right in life or you don't. Even if they're leaving the company, you don't treat them like that. And I talked to a GM in the league yesterday. Aaron Glenn was very rogue and weird how he treated Aaron. And a general manager told me yesterday, he said, coaches, sometimes you get lucky. And they're not only CEOs, but they're like scheme wizards like Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan. But it's really a CEO job. You're dealing with personalities. You got to know what the budgets are. You're dealing with egos. You're managing coaches, you're managing units, players, the media. It's a CEO job. Aaron Glenn right now is not a CEO. He doesn't know what he's doing because that's not how you treat people. That's just not how you do it. And Aaron, you're in or you're out, bro. Indifferent. California cool is not a vibe. It doesn't work. So the whole thing was like, I mean, this is Rodman, Carmen Electra, kind of attractive, briefly, but this is not going to work. Okay, so Steph Curry and the Warriors, I'm picking. The Rockets are favored. The warriors and Steph are favored to beat Houston. And that series starts Sunday. And so let's say they win because they're favored. And most people like the fact they have the best player, Steph Curry, the best coach, Steve Kerr, and they've got tons of playoff experience. That's why they're favored. I just, I. I think there's reasons they won't win it, but they could. But it's really interesting. As great as Michael Jordan was, he only won titles with Pippen. And as great as Kobe was, he won with Shaq and he won with Gasol. Perennial all stars. So if the warriors win this series, that means they're one series away from another Western Conference final. And think about this. Clay has won with Steph as one, with Clay as his best teammate, with Kevin Durant as his best Teammate in the finals with Andrew Wiggins being a key cog. And now with Jimmy Butler. Fourth iteration. We were joking this morning. Steph Curry is like the black T shirt of a wardrobe. It works with everything. You can put a sports coat over it, you can wear it with jeans, you can wear it working out or you can wear it with shorts. Steph works with everything. And I think there's two things that are a key to Steph Curry and that's why they're favored. They're favored in the series because of Steph Curry. Because when a superstar either works really hard on defense or without the ball, it sends a message. And nobody works harder without the ball in the NBA in my lifetime than Steph Curry. And that message is one that a lot of other stars like Amelo, I don't play defense. Don't really work too hard unless the ball's in your hands. That sends a message too, because they really, I don't think Golden State should win this series. I think the only reason they're favorite is one player. First of all, they are a two man offense and both guys are past their prime. Butler and Steph. Number two, rebounding and size matter in the playoffs because extra possessions matter. When people are really playing intentional basketball, Houston's going to own the glass. Number three, the Rockets have home court advantage. That's substantial. And number four is the warriors have something right now that's actually a disaster, is that they've got this group, but what they really need is size and length and they thought they were going to get that from Jonathan Kaminga, jk and it doesn't work. And Steve Kerr wants it to work, but it doesn't work and they're not playing him. And it's a coach's decision. It's a mess. In fact, a story came out yesterday from a respected writer in the Bay Area. They're going to move off him. So Rockets have home court advantage. Rockets will dominate the glass. Rockets best players are in their prime or young, twitchy and moving into their prime. And the Rockets know what the rotation is right now. The warriors are struggling with it. And Steve Kerr talked about that. The puzzle has to fit.

[Dan Patrick]

We found, you know, a really good.

[Jordan Schultz]

Formula when J.K. was injured and we got Jimmy, I think we went 18 and 2 or something right away. So we found, we found lineup combinations that have clicked and we're winning and we have to stick with that. And it's, it's brutal for jk.

[Dan Patrick]

It really is.

[Jordan Schultz]

He's a young player who wants to play and he's absolutely talented enough to play. We just have to keep plugging away and keep moving forward and he's doing.

[Dan Patrick]

A good job of that.

[Jordan Schultz]

But I definitely feel for him. Remember when the Niners moved off Trey Lance? I said if Trey Lance doesn't work with Kyle Shanahan, then it doesn't work in the pros. Steph Curry works with everybody. He works, it doesn't matter. Draymond, Clay, Andre, Iguodala, Bogut. He works with everybody. If you can't work in a starting lineup with Steph, you can't be a Warrior. So the JK situation is why I like Houston. They can't figure out how to play Kaminga, but it's a remarkable career. Steph Curry, and this is just not the way it usually is, works with every kind of player, role players, big, small, as long as you can keep up with the offense because it's a fast thinking and reacting offense. But right now JK can't and I think that'll doom the warriors in what I project as the biggest upset. I mean, you know, call it what you want. The warriors are favored. The better seed is Houston. All right, so we got a lot of stuff. Greg Cosell is going to be joining us in 50 minutes. I saw something. You know, it's California has its issues. You know, it's very expensive. Traffic, you know, can be brutal. You know, the well chronicled homeless issue which the state spent $80 billion on. It's gotten worse. But I saw something yesterday. The Dodgers were once again voted the best organization in baseball. But it wasn't the people that voted for them. It was the people that left them entirely off the ballot. And I want to talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of.

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It's been interesting living in Los Angeles in California for the last nine years. There's a lot of California envy out there. Even our government, you know, the governor of the state looks like an Abercrombie and Fitch model. And there's just. I mean yes, we have perfect weather in California. Everything grows here. So agriculturally we have huge Advantages over the rest of the country, There is no question. But that's not just why we have the biggest economy by a long shot. We have the fifth biggest economy. California does in the world. Bigger than 205 countries, bigger than France, the UK economy. It's not just that we have great weather, that certainly helps. But Kentucky and Arkansas could have created Silicon Valley too. They didn't and they couldn't. And Missouri can't either. And Ohio can't either. There are so many smart, aspirational people in this state that are very driven, very smart. The California system, the UC system. I've never lived in a place with more smart people. We've got our issues $80 billion on, on homeless. And it's worse. It's a housing issue, which is up and down the West Coast. It's a housing issue. Too many regulations by too many politicians and you gotta, you gotta build some cheap housing. But that's another show and another story. But I, but I feel the same way about the Dodgers is everybody's like, make a lot of money. You know, the Yankees make more money annually by a hundred million dollars than the Dodgers. You know, the Red Sox make a lot of money too. And nobody. Yesterday in that poll that came out voting on the top organization in baseball, 40 executives voted on this. Dodgers, one going away. Now, what was interesting to me is five executives would not put the Dodgers anywhere on any ballot. California envy. Dodgers envy. It's not just our weather here, which is extraordinary. It's, it's a, it's a place that attracts really smart people. And the Dodgers, it's not just the money. The Mets have a lot of money. And the Mets one time in 20 years, have gone to the playoffs back to back. The Dodgers win their division every year. They go every year to the playoffs multiple times in the World Series. And the reason being is it's not just the money. The free agency, they haven't lost a trade since like 2016. Everybody they call up can play their spring training facility miles better than everybody else. The tech they use to develop players, they're ahead of people and have been on analytics. The way they defer payments, your billionaire could do that. So I thought it was interesting. And the other thing is, and I'm a huge fan of Dave Roberts. Dave Roberts gets a lot of heat in, in, in Los Angeles because people say, well, he doesn't inspire the players. Guys, it's not football with a game a weekend, right? Like it's 162 games. A lot of it's just you gotta just wear well over time. He's not a yeller, he's not a screamer. He's like part psychologist. He's an easy guy. He wears well over time. But having a roster that is completely stacked has its issues too. And here's Dave Roberts on that. When you have a slew a roster that's arguably the most talented roster in history, one through 40, playing time is hard and all guys want to play, should want to play. But it takes some buy in to their teammates in the organization and here's a great example of how well run they are. So major league baseball.com has a farm system ratings seven of the last 10 years, including this year, the Dodgers are in the top 10. This year they're four. Well, how's that possible? One, the Dodgers always draft at the bottom of rounds. They don't get the best prospects. And the second thing is most really good baseball teams to modify and enhance their teams if they think they're going to go into the playoffs, give up draft picks. They got their farm system. They give up farm hands and they give up great prospects to get that number two starter to get that big bat. The Dodgers have done that too and they still have a great farm system. So it just when I read this story about this major league survey and like five executives are like, I'm not putting them on the ballot. Your owner could have deferred payments. They could afford better technology. You could have a better farm system. The best farm system should be the Pittsburgh Pirates and the Kansas City Royals and the Detroit Tigers and the Seattle Mariners. Mariners actually is fifth. Not bad behind the Dodgers. Here's Jordan with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is The Herdline News.

[Dan Patrick]

Mariners.com yeah, I know it's a tough go for us EMS fans. Damian Lillard has been cleared to play after dealing with deep vein thrombosis and is done taking blood thinning medication. He's already been ruled out for Game 1 on Saturday, but Lillard started working Wednesday to ramp up a return for this postseason. Colin Milwaukee's my East sleeper. They're due. Giannis is pissed off. Go Bucs. Fear the deer.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel. They're a veteran team. Older teams do well in the playoffs, but I don't think they've been championship viable for three years. So I'm going to go upset. I'm going to go Indiana wins. I think the upset in the east is the Pacers. I think the upset in the west is the Rockets and you know, it's really interesting when you get these series because, you know, obviously Giannis is the best player in the series and Steph is the best player in the series. I think the odds makers are saying the best player always wins the series. But Giannis is a little out of his prime now. He's still very, very good, but he's had two or three injuries. And he's not going to have Dame in this series.

[Dan Patrick]

No, he's going to have him just might not be 100%.

[Jordan Schultz]

Well, he may have him late in the series at 70%. I mean, Dame hasn't been working out, so. Yeah, I, I don't even really classify it as an upset. I think when the warriors and the Bucks lose, if they lose, I don't really see it as an upset. I, History tells you in the NBA, veteran teams win, but I, I watched Golden State in their last two games of the regular season. And if you don't think they're vulnerable, I don't know what to tell you. They're a two man offense. That's all they are.

[Dan Patrick]

They're vulnerable, as are the Bucks. But the Pacers and Rockets to me, are not ready to upset these teams. And I say upset even though, for example, Houston is a 2. The warriors are favored because of Steph. Yeah, the Bucks are favored because of Giannis.

[Jordan Schultz]

No question. Because NBA history tells you best player wins the series.

[Dan Patrick]

Browns GM Andrew Barry was asked the same question we all have. What position will Travis Hunter play in the NFL? He didn't go into specifics, but Barry did compare him to another player we've never seen before.

[Jordan Schultz]

It's a little bit like Ohtani, right? Where, you know, when he's playing one side, he's, he's an outstanding player.

[Greg Cosell]

If he's, if he's a pitcher, he's.

[Jordan Schultz]

A hitter, he's an outstanding player. You obviously get a unicorn if you use them both ways.

[Dan Patrick]

I've been saying this for the last couple weeks. He is Shohei Ohtani, and I think we're asking the wrong question when it comes to Travis Hunter. It shouldn't be what position should he play. It should be how much can we get him on both sides of the ball. So he's going to be a receiver, right? We all believe that.

[Jordan Schultz]

Well, receivers more important. Just like Ohtani. It's more important that Ohtani bats than pitches. If you had to choose one, how do I know that? Because the Dodgers won a World Series without him pitching. Okay, so pitching's important, but it's 23 starts hitting is every day, four to five at bats, driving in runs. So I'm not saying pitching doesn't win championships, but what wins championships is a good bullpen, a great setup guy. It's the depth and the numbers, the sheer numbers of a pitching staff. It's not one guy. Garrett Cole was arguably the best pitcher in the World Series last year. They got whacked by the Dodgers because the Dodgers had more depth of pitching and more depth of talent. So Ohtani's offense is better, more important than his pitching. And Travis Hunter's offense is more important because 12 targets and 10 catches could be a hundred yards a week. You're not, you're not negating 100 yards as a corner.

[Dan Patrick]

But, but, but that's the point. So let him do that and then give him packages to play corner, maximize his transcendent talent, and suddenly you really do have an Ohtani. You have a special, special talent. He's the only guy we've ever seen that really can come in and play both sides of the ball. Yeah, even D. Special, special packages at receiver. Hunter is going to play both. So what I'm saying is we're asking the wrong question when we say, what should he play? We really should be asking how much corner can he play in addition to wide receiver? That's why he's going to go number two.

[Jordan Schultz]

I agree.

[Dan Patrick]

Luka Donches is preparing for his first postseason run with the Lakers, but he'll face a familiar opponent. Last year, Luka knocked the Timberwolves out of the playoffs in the Western Conference finals with a game winner over Rudy Gobert. Recently, Luka was asked his favorite moment as a maverick, and he referenced that shot. When asked about the upcoming matchup for Scobert, Lucas said, I like it when centers are on me. This is personal for Luka Doncic. When it comes to Rudy Gobert, he kills Rudy Gobert. In fact, in his career, it's some of his best numbers ever. And last year in the playoffs against The T. Wolves, 32.98 shot 47%. I don't know what it is about Gobert, but he definitely goes at him.

[Jordan Schultz]

Gobert, 7 4. He just doesn't have the quickness. You can get. You can get his feet crossed up. Yeah, I mean, Lucas, you can't have. First of all, almost nobody can stop Luka. It's not going to be at times a clumsy 75 guy. Like, that's not. That's not going to work. So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's this. This is the big problem for teams that play the Lakers is that you've got three playmakers. I mean the other thing is LeBron Luca and Austin Reaves also get to the free throw line.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Jordan Schultz]

So I'm going to tell you what's going to happen right now in this series is the Lakers are going to shoot more free throws than the T wolves and T Wolves fans are going to complain. How come the Lakers are shooting all these free throws? And the reason is going to be is because they have three different guys that create free throw opportunities. Whereas ant overwhelmingly is the one guy that does it for the T wolves. So the Lakers are going to shoot more free throws. When anybody complains about free throw shooting, a great example is the warriors weren't shooting free throws until Jimmy Butler arrived. Why? Because Jimmy Butler creates contact. Suddenly the warriors went from like 28th to 4th. So like by the way, the Boston Celtics, all these great players don't shoot many free throws. Why? Jump shooters, they shoot three point jobs. So Minnesota, I can tell you right now is going to complain. How come the Lakers are at the free throw line? That's what they do. That this, this, this lineup is all contact guys.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jordan Schultz]

Austin Reeves is a Luca are great contact initiators.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the scenario for Minnesota to win? I mean is it if Edwards average is 38? I don't even know if that's enough.

[Jordan Schultz]

I don't think there is. I, I think this is a five game series.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I mean Gobert is the four time defensive player of the year but we've seen with Luka when he gets those high switches, it's a disaster. So I don't know if it's, if it's more Nas Reed and less Rudy.

[Jordan Schultz]

Well, you have to generally be able to picture an upset in your head. Like if Houston beats Golden State. I see the picture. They're going to dominate the boards. They're going to take a 10 series lead because you know they have home court advantage. And what you're going to watch is a team that a young team feeding off a home crowd playing with incredible depth and energy and size and the warriors don't have that kind of energy or size. I can see the way the series going to work now. If Curry has two 44 point games and the games are super close down the stretch, warriors will get the call. They manipulate the refs, they manipulate the clock and possessions. I can see that too. I'm saying over seven games I can see Houston getting second and third possessions on rebounding and size Advantages. I can't see Minnesota beating the Lakers. I just can't. Because that means Julius Randle's going to, I mean, LeBron's going to average 25, Luke is going to average 30 plus Austin's going to average 22. Rui could get 16 to 25 in any game. I don't think they have enough offense.

[Dan Patrick]

Better chance of an upset or. I don't even know if you call it an upset, but Minnesota beating Dallas or, sorry, the Lakers or Indiana in Milwaukee.

[Jordan Schultz]

I don't think Indiana beating Milwaukee is an upset.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Jordan Schultz]

I don't. But I, but I've been, I've been. This Milwaukee thing, you don't buy it. I just didn't buy it three years ago. Yeah, it was a one and done championship.

[Greg Cosell]

Yeah.

[Jordan Schultz]

Jordan with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. There is. I, I gotta, I gotta show you this. So I thought this was kind of interesting and I was on the phone yesterday with a Couple execs. All 32 teams in the NFL draft week next week, all 32 teams still have their first round picks. Now that's unprecedented. A week before the draft, all 32 teams still have their first round picks. In fact, that's the first time it's happened since 1967. And so. And the reason being is who would you move up for? Generally, you move up for a quarterback or an unbelievable edge rusher without any issues or drama. So my guess is you're not going to have a lot of trades in the first round. But I want to. The Denver Broncos said something yesterday. The GM said, we think the strength of the draft is in the late first and middle rounds. So I'm going to something that stands out to me in this draft. If you look at the middle down of the first round, the second round, the third round, it's a lot of offensive coaches. So let's look, let's look, for instance, at pick 26, Rams McVeigh. Pick 28, Dan Campbell. Offense, Chiefs, Eagles, by the way, the Broncos at 20. Offense, Harbaugh 22. Offense, 23, packers offense, 24, Vikings offense. Lot of offensive coaches. So offensive coaches see the world differently than defensive coaches. They can see gadgets. This is how Andy Reid saw Xavier Worthy, where a lot of people thought he was too small to be a first round pick. And Andy Reid's like, oh, I could drop 12 plays right now. The two players I would keep my eye on that people may move up for. I think there's so many offensive Coaches drafting from about like, you know, 18 on is Colston Loveland, the tight end from Michigan. He's a very. He's not the best tight end in the draft. He's the second best or third best. But the way you can use him as a receiver, he's a guy that's got a lot of dexterity that I don't think most defensive coaches would want to move up the draft for. But I could see a Sean Payton, they could use a tight end. I could see an Andy Reid, I could see a Nick Sirianni, a Howie Roseman saying, oh, because remember, they may move off Dallas Goddard in Philadelphia. I could see a Denver, a Ram.

[Dan Patrick]

A Charger, Charger with Harbaugh reunite.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah. So keep your eye on him. He. Because the bottom. The middle and bottom of the first round is a lot of offensive coaches and a lot of really smart offensive coaches. The other guy to keep your eye on who. I was talking to a GM yesterday who loves this guy, Ameka Buka, the receiver from Ohio State. Again, he's been overshadowed at Ohio State because they've had, you know, Marvin Harrison's son, Jeremiah Smith. Jeremiah Smith. This kid is a great player. And you really. Offensive coaches and general managers who have a good feel for offense, really like, this kid runs the whole route tree. You don't get a lot of ego from the Pacific Northwest. He's a grinder. He's been overshadowed in this program because Brian Hartline recruits such devastating talent that people are forgetting how damn good this kid is. And when you talk to NFL. I've talked to two different NFL people, and they're like, you can play this kid anywhere. You could play him on the sideline, you can play him in the slot. He runs. I mean, he is so refined and so polished. So I don't think. And you're seeing this is. Nobody's trading up right now, and I don't think anybody will. Shadour Sanders, the exception, middle up. But when you get middle down and you see all those smart offensive coaches and a lot of those offensive coaches have power in the building. Sean Payton, McVeigh, those guys, Andy Reid, they got power in the building. Hey, Dan Campbell's got power in the building.

[Dan Patrick]

So look at The Ravens at 27, man, that's like a. Think about them with a.

[Jordan Schultz]

Remember, they're moving maybe off Mark Andrews. The Eagles may be moving off Dallas Goddard. So I think that. I think Colston Loveland, keep your eye on him. Somebody just said, because his build is not your classic tight end, he's not a blocker.

[Dan Patrick]

No.

[Jordan Schultz]

But you can play around with him all over the field, and that's what the NFL's become.

[Dan Patrick]

The Loveland comp has been Sam Laporta and the Ameca comp is he's got some Js into him. I know Seattle has been mocked with him. If you can bring in one of these day one tight ends or receivers who can give you day one contribution, Loveland, to me could get a thousand yards as a rookie. A mecca. A thousand yards as a rookie. There's not that many guys in this.

[Jordan Schultz]

Class like, yeah, so this is something Sean Payton's talked about. There's not a lot of star power in this draft, but from about pick 23, maybe 20, to the top of the third round, you got about 50 guys who can all play very early in the NFL. Daniel Jeremiah, former scout with multiple teams, talked about that a month ago on our show.

[Dan Patrick]

It's a starter's draft, not a star draft. You know, I think Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, to me up there at the top, have some star potential for different reasons. But, you know, for the most part, you're looking at starters. And when I evaluated draft when I was with teams and the way I look at it now, if you can.

[Jordan Schultz]

Find three starters in a draft, Colin.

[Dan Patrick]

That'S a heck of a draft.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah. So Colston, Loveland and the Ohio State receiver, those guys are really good players ready to play. And I think offensive coaches with power, veteran offensive coaches with some smoke in the building are going to lean on that GM and say, listen, this guy starts for us. Like, I mean, Travis Kelsey may play one more year for Kansas City.

[Dan Patrick]

Right.

[Jordan Schultz]

Okay. You're getting one more year out of him. Noah Gray's nice. Noah Gray's a two. Loveland's a one. Potentially with the right offensive coach.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And also back to a Mecca. I actually talked to Brian Hartline about him, and he's at every receiver and he said a Mecca is one of the smartest. He's the biggest leader. And to your point, Colin, we had him a lot in the slot, he said, but he can play outside. And that's. That's the value of having someone that really gets the position. That's a mecca.

[Jordan Schultz]

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[Dan Patrick]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?

[Jordan Schultz]

It's going good, man.

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Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome.

[Jordan Schultz]

So how does someone get in contact.

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[Jordan Schultz]

Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you. Ohtani leads the Dodgers against Corey Seeger and the Rangers or Nolan Arenado in the Cardinals battle Juan Soto in the Mets. Check local listings for the game in your area tomorrow at 4 Eastern on Fox.

[Jordan Schultz]

So the great financier Warren Buffett has a line. It's great to learn from mistakes, but better to learn from other people's mistakes so you don't have to make them. Story out today, Puka Nakua was on Julian Edelman's podcast and there's all this talk now that Brock Purdy's group, his agent, they're not interested. They want mid fives, 55 million, not in the 40s. And Puka Nakua with some rare honesty. This is what people in the league think. He said it.

[Dan Patrick]

Brock Purdy, is he gonna get a 5?

[Jordan Schultz]

I don't think so.

[Dan Patrick]

You think he's gonna go with a four? He's gonna start with a four. Yeah. High four?

[Jordan Schultz]

No, I think mid four. A 45. I think so. I mean, I think if he does.

[Dan Patrick]

That, that'd be smart for him and them.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah, I mean, I think he's.

[Dan Patrick]

He seems like a smart guy. I think he, like, they're still. They have a chance to still be in their window.

[Jordan Schultz]

And I think if.

[Dan Patrick]

If he goes for a five, that the window closes.

[Jordan Schultz]

When did the Cowboys window. Super bowl window really close? When they paid Dak the big money. What Did Warren Buffett say it's one thing to learn from mistakes, it's better to learn from somebody else's? San Francisco look at the Cowboys. The Dak Purdy comps are very similar. They both come in as lower round draft picks, cheap labor. They get starts because of injuries to other quarterbacks. Teammates like them, good guys. They have very strong run games to lean on, good old lines, but really particularly strong Zeke CMC run games. They win a lot, but boy, when they lose a key offensive performer. They don't elevate average people, they don't carry average players. Both are dependent on the advantages of their roster. Both have had offensive coaches. Dak with Jason Garrett, McCarthy, Brock Purdy with Christian McCaffrey. Okay, both Niners, Cowboys, big brand. So when they start winning, the money pours in and the owner does not want to disrupt the gravy train. The owner does not want to disrupt the momentum financially of branding. They're on tv, the money's rolling in, the crowds are packed and the coach, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy or Shanahan really likes that. A Brock Purdy or a Dak, because they're lower draft picks and grinders, that's the only way they make this league grinding. Don't have big egos. So you're not dealing with an ego. You can kind of. They're amenable to your voice. You can kind of control McCarthy, Jason Garrett feel like what I say we're going to do, they're not going to do an Aaron Rodgers and wing it or roll their eyes at your call. And so Dallas just look lower, pick big brand. You win some regular season games, it's a B talent. But when they come in and have that star run game or star run back where everybody is good. When you're throwing on third and two and second and four, everybody is good with protection and a great run game. That's why we talked about Ashton Genti to the Raiders yesterday. Geno Smith with a run game is actually really good. Geno Smith without it is a Hammond Egger. And so learn from what happened to Dallas the minute they paid big money for Dak. They've never been a Super bowl team. You can convince themselves. Last two contracts. And I remember sitting here on this set and I've watched all the young media give him the bag. You give the bag to Lamar, Josh Burrow, Mahomes, Stafford, maybe a Jalen Hurd, CJ Stroud. You give the bag to those guys. Everybody else, you got to win the negotiation. And even when you get a Brady Or a Manning or a Mahomes. You're much better even with Brady and Mahomes when it's a team friendly deal. Brady signed team friendly deals as good as Drew Brees is much better than Purdy. When Drew Brees took the bag in New Orleans for two years, the team wasn't any good. And then Drew's like, I got to renegotiate this deal. We need more players. So Drew Brees and Shawn Payton could not win in that wonky division for the two years that Drew took the most money. So you're going to win in this division. The Rams right now have better players all in their going into their prime. The Rams aren't paying for anybody on defense. The Rams have the better quarterback, arguably the better coach, arguably the better owner. You, you pay big money here. Now you have 11 draft picks this year. So if you hit on six of them, that really helps because the Rams have been hitting on all their defensive draft picks. And then they find Puka Naku in the fifth and Kyron Williams in the fifth. There are stars that are not paying either. So the Rams right now have the much better. If you, if you were honest about this, the Niners have more good, young, inexpensive talent for the next three years. So you can't pay Brock Purdy on an annual basis significantly more than Matt Stafford makes because Matt Stafford's a lot more talented. You can't do that. So again, it's one thing to learn from your mistakes. It's much better to learn from other people's mistakes. Dallas, you are staring at Dallas. And they waited and they waited and they waited and then they got trapped. Now, and I'll just throw this out there. They brought Mac Jones in from Jacksonville, who's not going to be a franchise guy. He's a backup. I don't think it's crazy if one of your 11 picks is a quarterback. I don't think it's crazy at all. Kyle McCord, fourth round, go get him. I mean, you gotta, you gotta clean up your own line and you gotta get help in the secondary. I don't think it's crazy for them to go out and draft quarterback. Just saying. But Pukinakua, you know, the Rams probably don't love him saying that because it's a rival and the last thing you want to do is pour gas on the fire. But he's not wrong. He's absolutely. And Julian Edelman also said, yeah, that'd be better for him and the team.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I just, I think it's so Refreshing. When a star player comes out and says what most of the league is already thinking, he says, you know, it'd be smart for them to give him 45. Yes, not 54.

[Jordan Schultz]

I have no problem with 44 million. I'm not saying you have to pay him 12. I'm saying the contract should be much closer to Sam Darnold than it is Josh Allen.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it won't be. Yeah, it's going to start with the five. You know, you're not taking a hometown discount.

[Jordan Schultz]

This has always been an interesting conversation. I've talked about this in the NBA. If my son was as good as Jalen Green, the Houston Rockets, I would have said, go to Carolina. You're going to get $30 million in free marketing and promotion. Now, I don't know Jalen's financial situation, but again, superstar basketball players at 16 in this country are not starving. They're being taken care of by multiple people. AAU basketball, you know, a lot of hundred dollar handshakes. So I'm not going to speak for anybody else's financial situation, but if I was a quarterback, I think about this all the time and I'm 25, 26 years old. Your biggest contract is never your first. So I can understand Brock Purdy saying, guys, I haven't made, I'm renting an apartment right now. I get his angle on it. But brock, you take 58, that forces the Niners to nail eight of the 11 draft picks. This is not a great draft. And the Niners, as much as I love them, they've missed on a lot of draft picks, first round draft picks. So I don't know, maybe I'm taking because I have a talk show host and I can talk forever. But I always think the long play. I never want my bosses feeling like, man, I took them to the.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah, I took him to the back to the watershed. If you're Brock Purdy, doesn't it make more sense to sign for a little bit less now, win more later and.

[Jordan Schultz]

Get the back end your third contract?

[Dan Patrick]

How many times did Tom Brady renegotiate every year because you want San Francisco to have a better roster? And we've already seen it. We saw it the last couple years, especially last year where he didn't have all the weapons, things didn't go great and the team stunk. So if you're Brock Purdy, wouldn't it behoove you to take 46 instead of 50?

[Jordan Schultz]

Well, think about, think about this. So Brock Purdy's cap hit was only $900,000 when they went to the Super Bowl. Do you want it to be $49 million? That changes the roster, changes the entire.

[Dan Patrick]

Complexion of the direction of the franchise, not just the roster changes. How you think about it when you're building it, it's a totally different ball game. And they're, to Puka's point, they're headed toward that. Does he take a home? I don't, I don't see it. I think he was going to go for the 50 plus.

[Jordan Schultz]

That's, that's, that's, well, that's what his agent wants. And I, again, I understand it. Had he been a third round pick and made a little bit of money, you know, he put a few million bucks in the market and owned a home like he probably. And also he lives in San Francisco, which is one of the most expensive cities in the world. So I get the fact that he's like, I'm renting an apartment. I'm a starting quarterback for the Niners. I need some cash here. Hour two Next Balancing work, family and.

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