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Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Ryan Music
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Doug Gottlieb
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day, thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. And for the next couple of hours, I want to talk sports with you. From Poway to Escondido to Otai Mesa. Welcome in. Good to be back on in LA on AM570, the home peeps, and all throughout the country on the iHeart family of networks, as well as the iHeartRadio app. Welcome. Welcome in. So in the I was today years old that I learned, right? You learn lots of things. It's weird as you get older. Right now I coach college kids. I'm a head coach of Wisconsin Green Bay. And it again, I have a really good group of young men that want to learn, want to get better at basketball. We try and teach them about life a little bit. And, you know, college is just in a weird sort of phase where so many schools because of COVID went online. And then you factor in chat, GPT and everything else. How much are kids actually learning? But the biggest difference between a kid and an adult, I think there's two or three things, right? Like, you know, you're an adult when you never turn down a nap. You never turn down a nap. I mean, ask Tuohy and even Ryan, who doesn't have kids. If you go like, hey, man, two o'. Clock. What if I give you like an hour to shut off your phone and take a nap? There isn't an adult alive, like, yeah, down for that. A kid. You say, hey, take a nap. But you know, after you get to like 2 years old, you're done with naps. Adults, well, adults, they will order vegetables or order salads or actually ask for them for dinner. Most kids like, what? Why you have to make them eat vegetables, make them eat legumes, make them eat, eat fruits, right? That's the difference in adults. And the other thing about adults, as opposed to kids is I don't know if you're like this when you do the whole, you know, you help your kid with their homework. But man, you get to a certain age and you're like, man, I kind of like learning. Maybe it was how we were taught, maybe it was the teachers, maybe it was our desire to do other things. But I remember being in school and I just could not wait for every day to be over as opposed to now. Damn, I love learning things. I just do. Sunday I learned that a handball in soccer was not just simply the ball touching a non goalkeeper's hand. I literally Monday I walked in and I was like, man, I didn't know that the ball could graze your hand. And if it was in the natural motion of whatever you were doing as a, as an athlete in soccer, it. It didn't mean it was a handball.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
I don't know.
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Doug Gottlieb
Did anybody know that? I mean, I'm sure, like soccer guys, like, yeah, you dope. Hey, I played soccer growing up. I don't remember any of that stuff. I just remember the tunnel. I remember Capri Sun. I remember scoring goals. You know, I don't remember any of that. So I love learning. And I'll tell you something I learned today, okay? There was a playwright in the 16 and 1700s, mostly 1700s. His name was William Congreve. You're like, why are you telling me about a playwright? Because he's the one who authored up the phrase, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Have you ever heard that? If you haven't heard that one, I bet he also said, you must not kiss and tell. So kiss and tell and hell hath no worry. Hell hath no wrath like a scorned woman. That's that. We changed the words, that changed the order of it. We. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. That was William Congreve, who, who was a famous playwright in the 16 and 1700s. Born in 1670, died in 1729. Like, why are you starting out with that saying? Well, I'll tell you, I also learned that apparently there's not a true standalone version of it, but a video game within a video game for EA Sports. So ea Sports has two kids, or is it EA Sports that has 2K? You're familiar with 2K? All right, so apparently there's also a, a WNBA version of 2K. And I get it, right? Like, what is 2K? If you take away all the dunks and the made layups and three points and the high percentage of made three point shots and you have WNBA. But there is no denying the WNBA's sudden rise in popularity. And for those of us who are honest with ourselves, it's because of Caitlin Clark. And, you know, we can get into the reasons why I love the people that fall on the. The race aspect of it. When then you point out, like, hey, Sabrina Unescu and Kelsey Plum were great women's college basketball players who came to league and have been great WNBA players and they have not received any Amount of the acclaim of a Caitlin Clark. There's a bunch of different factors, mostly likely the logo threes, the hey, we love Steph Curry. And here's the closest version of it. Who happened to play at the same school for four years, happened to take her team to two straight Final Fours, happen. Looks like everybody else's little sister. All of those things, she kind of nails. But upon my, my quest to learn something every day, I found out that there's a NBA 2K version focusing on the WNBA. But here's the kicker. The COVID choice was Angel Reese. Was Angel Reese. And it just continues this pattern of the WNBA doing everything in their power to, I don't know if it's diminish Caitlin Clark or to promote everybody other than Caitlin Clark, but whatever it is, we try and search for reasons and I keep falling back on hell hath no wrath. Like a woman scorned William Cornelius in the late 1600s. And like, wait a second, why are they scorned? Caitlin Clark said nothing negative towards any of these women. She doesn't have to. The only logical conclusion as to why so many of these women have done everything in their power to marginalize her rise to fame and what it's done for the entire sport of women's basketball is that you have women that feel like they've been scorned by media, by mainstream fans for their entire lives, and comes out as anger and resentment towards Caitlin Clark. Does that make sense? There's something called the have you ever heard the anger iceberg. If you go through therapy, people tell you it's the. You learn the anger iceberg, that people are angry and they get snappy with one another in like, relationships. And it's not about that one thing. It's about all this other thing, all the insecurities, all the mistrust, all the, the times of other relationships that have gone bad, etc, etc, etc, and it comes out as snappiness towards one another. And any relationship you have, even in business, you pocket resentment towards somebody else getting a promotion, somebody else getting shine, you not feeling like you're heard in a meeting, you having a bad interaction with somebody at a Christmas party, whatever. For these women, okay? Remember, I see it as most of us see it. I'm Doug Gottlieb for Cohen. This is the herd, 25 years in the WNBA. I'm not as negative about their overall talent and skill as others are. It's a different sport, our expectations are different. We don't have the hundred years of history in the NBA. We just Don't. If you take away the NBA with the dunks and the proficiency from three point line, you know, and the other part about NBA players is they look like superheroes. Whereas many of these women, though for women, crazy athletic, crazy talented, there just is no comparison. When you watch one game to the other, it's like watching one in slow motion and one that plays below the rim. And below the rim causes more mislaiups and it's again just a different, much less athletic game. And for 25 years we didn't pay attention to it in sports media. And I've been a part of sports media for 25 years. We didn't pay attention to it because nobody did. The science to this is not that hard to figure out. Cullen. This is me doing the Colin thing. Cullen, you only want to talk about Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers and LeBron James. Yeah. Because we're no different than top 40 radio man. Play the hits. Our job is to talk about what most people care about. And we have 25 years of data that tells you most people don't care about the wnba. And the only reason we're talking about it now is because Caitlin Clark has brought attention and people are in fact talking about the WNBA now. So now we're going to be attracted to talking more about it. But when you're raised as a women's basketball player, you're raised to believe everybody's out to get you. Everybody's out to get you. Okay, look, I don't, I don't know if you recall, but if you go back to the COVID year NCAA tournament, they had women who are in San Antonio and they had a little makeshift weight room and it was like, you know, two dumbbells and you know, and a balance ball. And then they showed the men's weight room in Indianapolis and it looked like a real weight room. And what happens is, you know, the, the NCAA like apologized for it. Act like this was, this was discrediting all of women's basketball. When reality is one, it comes down to the planning committee. That's what they have to do to the men's teams. I believe all of them were there for like a month. So they had to prep for it and they had the Big Ten tournament there. So they had all this had all been kind of planned out. Whereas for San Antonio it was just a one stop shop and they threw it together. And anybody who's ever traveled know, knows that like it doesn't matter. The hotel chain, you can be a Hyatt guy, right? Or a bonvoy guy and only stuff. And some hotels have a rinky dink weight room and some hotels don't. It doesn't have anything to do with anything other than that particular hotel, that particular general manager, and what they think they want to focus their resources on. But the point is that that case is no different than anything else. Right? Why do women have home sites during the NCAA tournament instead of the regional sites that the men have? Well, again, anyone who's realistic in business knows that the reason they went back to home sites is that's their only ability to draw people and to sell tickets. They've played in the big arenas. It hasn't worked, by and large. Trust me, if the NCAA felt like they could make more money doing it, they would do it because it's the only way in which they make money is the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments. But again, how you and I view it from a business perspective, which is very much in the neutral kind of corner, is, hey, they're doing it because it makes the most sense financially. How women view it is, oh, we're a secondary tournament. We have to play in home sites. Right. So it doesn't matter necessarily what the reality is. Women's basketball was over the last 25 years, right, that you started from nothing and built it into something that was fairly sustainable. Again, those of us who lived it in real time, as I have, like my media career, has mirrored essentially the length of the wnba. You went from being completely subsidized by the NBA playing in these gargantuan arenas to, hey, let's dial this back. Play in smaller venues, be smarter, okay? Save more money, fly commercial, space out the games, etc. Etc. But how it's received is we've been treated like crap for years, and now you're trying to push this star, who she might be, another Jeremy Lin Lynn sanity. And we're not buying it. So when I saw that quote today, I just. And then I saw that the 2K version of NBA 2K had Angel Reese, not Caitlin Clark, on the COVID right? Because again, whether or not you're buying or I'm buying a WNBA 2K game doesn't matter. Everything would be boosted up if you put Caitlin Clark on it. Probably cost, you know, the gaming company more to put her on the COVID But the WNBA forcing us to. To take on Angel Reese as some sort of rival to Caitlin Clark. Forcing it, Forcing it. Forcing it makes it feel icky when as. Whereas it's super easy here, just put Caitlin Clark on everything. It'll sell more. It'll be the rising tide that lifts all ships. But from the Olympic team last year to the players only voting where they voted her the 9th best guard to put Angel Reese on NBA 2K, to all the bitterness and pushback and the treatment of Caitlin Clark where they're clearly trying to punk her and bully her and her teammates into making her look bad, all of that stuff leads most of us to go, why? Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you embrace the fact that people are paying attention to your sport, covering it like it's one of the big three sports, probably got more coverage than the NHL Stanley cup playoffs, and the only logical conclusion I can come to is Hell hath no wrath like his woman scored. All the years of being made to feel like you're a secondary or tertiary product and probably even tertiaries not as strong as they were leads women to push back against anything seen as mainstream media and fans. Oh, now you like us. But only for her. Well, to you too. Give me your thoughts. Twitter, Instagram, otliebshow In the meantime, okay, we do have some NBA news. Chet Holmgren Re Ups for the Max Re ups for the Max what does that mean for the Thunder and their ability to maintain the best record in the regular season and a postseason championship? Let's discuss it next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd.
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Colin Cowherd
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Doug Gottlieb
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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Gotleyman for Colin this is the Herd FOX Sports Radio iHeartradio app. Welcome in. So the big news in the NBA today as we get ready for real NBA Summer league, which is Las Vegas. Yes, again it may sound disrespectful for the I forget what the California Golden State games are. Is the One everyone hyper focuses on is in Las Vegas. And we'll, we'll get to that upcoming in the show because the Lakers played yesterday. The Lakers are the signature nightcap in the summer league. Opening night against the Dallas Mavericks. And of course the Dallas Mavericks have the number one overall pick and the Lakers have Bronnie James. And it's a, it's, it'll be something. But let's, let's dig in with Anthony Slater, of course, covers the league for the athletic. He joins us now in the herd. Anthony, let me, let me ask you about Chet Holmgren. So announced today that Chet Holmgren agrees to terms on a max contract. On a max contract to remain in Oklahoma City. And he's really only played like a season and a half. If you're an Oklahoma City fan or you're hopeful of a dynasty there does. What does this do for you?
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
I mean, I think it's just check the box that you knew was coming and other, the one that's coming soon is gonna be Jalen Williams, who has the same agent, Bill Duffy, which I'm sure, you know, helps and leveraging negotiations. But you know, Jalen Williams go get his max. And his max, if he makes all NBA again, would actually be even higher than chess. And you know, we're talking about rookie maxes. I know sometimes we just, everybody just says max. They're different, you know, percentages of the cap and this is, you know, the fresher one. But, you know, you're, you're getting the next six years of Chet Holmgren's early prime into his prime. Sure. He's not your, you know, prototype number two, certainly as a score, I think he's got higher upside there, but I mean, he's a rim protecting three point shooter at seven feet tall. To me, like, you know, that is a very valuable piece for a team that wants to win with defense first. And you saw it in the play. You know, we can, we can kind of at times. I certainly did, you know, their first playoff run together when they lost in the second round. Even though they're the ones, I kind of wondered if Jaylee Williams and Chad Holm could be a legitimate number two, number three on a title team. Well, that question kind of was answered a month ago.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, I mean, I think the question for, for Chet is twofold. One, can he stay healthy?
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Yeah, right.
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Doug Gottlieb
That's the big thing. Can you stay healthy and then at some point can he regain confidence in his shooting?
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
Fair.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
I mean, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's A good question. But I think even the version of Chet you saw really impacts winning. You know, it's. He's going to protect the rim at a high level. There was times even in those Finals, you know, I can remember in a couple of losses, certainly, you know, his, his shooting. You know, I think he went to a nine in the game one loss and was really hard on himself. And I remember late in one of the games in Indiana, Miles Turner kind of, you know, wiped away a couple of his shots and, and those flaws seem to, you know, percolate a little bit. But also I can remember him like, you know, walling off the rim in important stretches of those finals. But yes, if he like, he has a next level to get to that, I think I would agree with you that his health will determine because he spent all last summer really kind of like grinding and getting his offense, I think, to a higher level. I think I went to their opening night game in Denver and he like outplayed Jokic. I think he had like 25, 14 and five blocks. And then about two weeks later, I'm at a game in Oklahoma City and Andrew Wiggins just plows through him and he breaks his hip and then he's bedridden for six weeks. He's out for, you know, 50 games. Whatever he ended up missing last season, I think that really stunted his offensive growth. Yeah, but, but yeah, I would agree that long term for him to like, probably be worth that contract when we're in the middle years and, you know, you're talking 50 million or whatever it's going to be, you'd want him, you know, 18, 19 per game, maybe like a 38% at least three point shooter and more of a supplementary score. Because the other part of this is they're about to get really expensive and some of that depth that's been around them is going to kind of melt away, right?
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, it will, but they're kind of. You mentioned Jalen Williams. What do you make of the fact he just shared that he received about 30 injections during the playoffs just to be able to get that right wrist functional to play through the NBA Finals?
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
To me it's a. I mean, it's impressive, right? And then it didn't come out. And you know, he still played well. He had a 40 point game in the Finals. Like, I don't think his shooting was to his standard the whole playoffs, but he had a really good playoffs in generally. And you know, knowing what he went through with the Ritz, that that makes it more Impressive to me, but I also think it's more another example of, like, a lot of times we don't know what most of these guys are going through physically. Like, I'd say, you know, 80 of the league by, you know, middle of the playoffs, has sometime a bumper bruise that sounded like a more extreme version of one, right? A torn wrist. But, you know, like, they'll. Warriors, for example, had two. Like Moses Moody had to get wrist surgery after the year. Pajemski had to get, you know, oblique surgery and, you know, something for his thumb. Like, you know, and that's. That, that's common across the league. It feels like two players per team have to get some type of, like, postseason surgery. Right. They announced Anthony Davis yesterday had to get like, retina surgery.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, he had a detached retina. Like, who knew, like, you had a detachment. You're just playing like. Yeah. Now the, the only guy that lets us know is LeBron, who came in with that wrist sleeve one time after losing in the finals, right? Oh, yeah. By the way, I'm hurt. I'm hurt the whole time. Speaking of LeBron, okay, how does the league and all of your sources feel about Rich Paul's statement? Hey, LeBron wants to win championships. When you, you just picked up your own option to remain with la, and you essentially said, we can't win a championship in la, no matter how they might backtrack in the future. How does the league felt about what Rich Paul said?
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
It definitely, like, perked some ears up, you know, because that's typically, you know, kind of the more subtle, passive aggressive statements is often what, what has been hinted by, you know, Rich and LeBron over the years, you know, but there's, it's, it's really, I mean, you're seeing it now. It's really difficult to, like, move big contracts in, in the current NBA and find, you know, teams that can, you know, absorb that type of deal under all these, like, weird new apron rules and all that. So I think it makes you. And it's definitely when you talk to people in the league, there's, there's more of questioning of, of if he will finish his career with the Lakers. But unless he really kind of tries to agitate his way out of town to a suitor that I'm not sure, you know, we can come up with a, with one right now that like, can kind of fit him in and, and has the motivation, then I think he's just going to be on the Lakers next year and they're going to be pretty good I mean I would probably agree that I wouldn't consider them, you know, an inner circle, top five type title contender, but they were the three seed last year. You know, maybe the eight fit works, maybe Luka's in shape. Like I could see them being somewhat of a, you know, fringe threat next year. So he's probably gonna have to kind of at least somewhat happily try to play that out.
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Doug Gottlieb
One would think. But it's, it's just odd, right? Like if you wanted I to me, one part it says is he doesn't think, they don't think he's a top 15 player anymore. Because if you, if we all think that Luca is and then people think LeBron is, well that's, you're starting from a pretty good spot, you know.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Yeah, like you know, maybe edging towards all star. I don't know what you think about the eight and fit, but it's, it's at least more theoretical capabilities at the center spot.
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Doug Gottlieb
Here's what I think of the eight and fit. Okay. This would be the, just kind of the basketball element to it. I don't know, personality wise, what works and what doesn't work. I don't profess to know. The reason the Lakers can't win is because if those are your three best players, they're all minuses at the defensive end. Right. LeBron at this age doesn't move anymore. Reaves has never been a particularly good defender though he does fight and Luka is a non defender and maybe he gets in shape and fights a little bit more, you know. And in the NBA you can maybe hide one guy, but outside of that can't hide two. And then you know, they wanted rim protection like Deandre. Ayton is not a rim protector. He's also not a lob threat. Right. He's a roller to score, to catch and finish, you know. So does it fit with Luca because he's a pick and roll option? I guess. But a guy who's never played well in the playoffs isn't a rim protector. And like once the ball on rolls is an offensive minded score. Like again, I understand that we, you're asking something of Polinka. Like it's not like he had a blank slate and could pick anybody. I just don't know how the all that group works together to be anything special in the playoffs.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Yeah, I mean Luca, you know, has worked best in the past with like the Derek Lively's of the world, the Daniel Gaffers and, and I would agree, I mean Ayton's free Throw rate is like ridiculously low for a guy, you know, at his size. I will say like he was a starting center in a productive center on a finals team like not that long ago. I mean, obviously that was kind of Chris Paul operating in the pick and roll where he doesn't necessarily as much need the lob threat. But you know, he liked it. And I bet if, you know, you go look at the numbers, like Ayton finished a lot more lobs in Phoenix than he did in Portland. Now, you know, to your point, I think you generally throw it to him and he wants to like, you know, get the eight footer and do the touch stuff and he's not super physical. But as you mentioned, they didn't have, you know, they 39 year old Al Horford wouldn't have been a lob threat, you know, some of the other options out there on the free agent market. So I think part of what's going on right now is the Lakers are taking a somewhat patient approach. They're not, you know, using all their assets for a Mark Williams. It seems like they've pulled back from that a little bit. And that's what I think. You know, going back to your original question, I think that's what you're feeling with the LeBron statement that he's feeling a level of organizational, philosophical shift to a patient, longer term, Luka Doncic related approach. Because Lucas, 26 and he's sitting there going like, I don't really have a long term approach and he's using whatever tool he believes he has to maybe try to, you know, leverage a little pressure of like, hey, you know, let's try to win next season because next season might be the final season for him to win.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, I don't, I agree with you. I don't think next he'll, it's not gonna be his final season unless he gets a farewell tour.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Maybe in la.
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Doug Gottlieb
Again, I agree with you. Maybe in la, but I don't, I don't think he's gonna do the final season thing without a farewell tour.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
I just, I just don't announce preseason. Kobe Bryant style.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Celebrated in every arena. Right. You're probably right.
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Doug Gottlieb
And, and look, I understand to people who don't like LeBron, they'd be like, dude, okay. And he's a little bit much. But he's also the all time leading scorer in NBA history who's won four titles and four MVPs and is in any discussion of.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
He's Mount Rushmore.
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Doug Gottlieb
Right, right. So it's like Yeah, I mean, if there's ever a guy who kind of deserves it, like, yeah, that's, that's not that.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
A lot of the people that might kind of scoff a little bit of LeBron would love Kobe, right? And you remember it like, what Was that? A 20 win Laker team that he was just going around to every arena, they would do a pregame celebration, they would present him with presents and do tribute videos for him. And then the home team would beat the Lakers by 25 points. Yes, yes, yes.
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Doug Gottlieb
And, and Kobe and, and, and the other part was like, look, I know Kobe, God rest his soul, is, is now he's been thrust up to the Mount Rushmore, but there was a lot of things in his career he wasn't beloved for. There was, there was a lot of nonsense early in his career and by the end, you know, Kobe was a different guy and it evolved into somebody who was worthy of all, of all of the praise, not just for the play, but also he become kind of this philosopher and been really thoughtful and shown his true love for the sport. But like, let's not, let's not kid ourselves. Like, there was a lot there with Kobe, with I want to be traded, the breakup with Shaq and all that other stuff. So it was like he's. He no saint. Right. So it's just interesting on how we look back with colored glasses because of Kobe's passing, But also because LeBron is so different from Kobe and playing essentially for Kobe's franchise, really, if you. That's probably what's hurting him. The, the most has been the franchise hopping. Speaking of franchise hopping, what about Giannis? Does he want to stay in Milwaukee or does he want to play somewhere else?
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Seems like at this temporary moment he has been, you know, message to the Bucks and certainly to the league that his feet are where they are in Milwaukee. I'm not sure there's any type of guarantee how long that's going to be, but if you're the Bucks and you make the type of very win now move and, and mortgage the future type move that was the Damian Lillard wave and stretch to, to fit Miles Turner in, like that's. You're doing that under the understanding it would seem that Giannis is at least in on the start of next season and, and you're trying to maximize next season because if suddenly you know Giannis in August, September, ask out prior to the season, like what a disaster move that, you know, Lillard thing would look like because you got 22 million on the books for the next five years. Dead cap. So, you know, for now, it seems Giannis will be in Milwaukee, you know, but that does seem like it's a, you know, temporary thing that. That could become more permanent depending on how they look and how they play and how their future looks.
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Doug Gottlieb
Tomorrow night in Vegas, Cooper Flag and the Dallas Mavericks take on Bronny James. Bronnie struggled last night, but very few people pay attention to the Cali games. You've been around this thing for a while, right? You had the Zion hype, the Wemby hype, right? There's. There's Wemby was. Was pretty big. Where does this one rank in terms of the. The Vegas, Thomas and Mac Summer League for opening night hype?
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Well, I heard it's like the most expensive ticket ever. There was a 2500 courtside or something like that. It's. It's not even just like, obviously, you know, Cooper Flag's a big name and Bronya is, but just the event itself is just exploded there. You know, you'll go to, you know, day three, you know, Pelicans, Knicks with maybe one lottery pick on the floor, and it's like, pretty. Pretty packed. So it's just. I think it's just become such an impressive event for the league in general. And typically you do on that. That first, second night get, you know, the first overall pick oftentimes going against the second overall pick. I think just because of the. The Lakers territory, which is, you know, Vegas in a sense, and Bronnie's name. They matched up Cooper Flag and Bronnie, so it'll be. It'll be cool. But at the same time, like, I remember Wemby walking into the arena and the buzz of it. I remember the Zion game for the Earthquake and in Vegas, and then the. That was the night Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, like that bomb, got dropped on the league and they were going to the Clippers together. But I actually don't really remember much from Zion's game or Wimby's actual game.
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Doug Gottlieb
Andrew, enjoy the game. Let's talk again soon. Can't read. Can't wait to read your work on Summer league and on all this other stuff going on. Andrew Slater, pick up his stuff, read his stuff in the Athletic. He's outstanding. Thanks for joining us in the Herd.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
All right, thanks.
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Doug Gottlieb
Anthony Slater. I'm sorry, Anthony. I'm. I'm here. I'm one on paper, hanging it. Thanks so much, Anthony.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Yep, thanks.
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Doug Gottlieb
It's Doug Alibin for Colin. This is the Herd on Fox. Sports radio. Okay, coming up, Coming up next, we'll get to Herd Line News. Wait to hear what happened to the Dodgers last night. That's next. This is the Herd.
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Colin Cowherd
Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Doug Gottlieb
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Doug Gottlieb
Gotta leave it for Collins. The Herd FOX Sports Radio iHeartradio app. Welcome in. Kirk Cousins is selling something. Tell you what I'm not buying. That's at the top of the hour. Before we get to that, though, let's get to Ryan. Music with the news.
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Ryan Music
No, no, no, no.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Turn on the news.
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Doug Gottlieb
This is the Herd line news. Hello, Ryan.
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Kirk Cousins
Hello, Doug. Let's get things started with a little major league baseball.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Man.
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Kirk Cousins
Dodgers are going through it right now. Down bad. Lost their fifth game in a row, falling to the Brewers, 3 1. Injuries mounting for the boys in blue on both sides, and they've been outscored 41 to 8 during this current losing streak. On the other side, however, for the brewers, their young star pitcher, Jacob Misarowski gave up a leadoff homer to Shohei Ohtani, but was lights out after that, racking up 12 strikeouts in six innings.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, 91 pitches, 68 strikes. And if you know anything about Misorowski, what's. What's impressive is it's the. We talk about old quotes. It's not how many times Nelson Mandela don't judge Me by how many times I get knocked down. Judge me by having times I get up, he hadn't given up a run. And then they should have gotten out of an inning with the Mets in his last outing. Gives up a grand slam, then a back to back check, five runs, and then starts this game. And you're with the Dodgers. He gets 02 count, hangs a curveball, and Shohei deposits it like 430ft. So, yeah, you know, like, look, lots of young guys, they just, they, they lose their confidence, lose their mind. He did not. And he was special. As for the Dodgers, I do think that, look, the injuries are mounting, they're starting, they're going to get healthy in their pitching staff. And this is, you know, this is playoffs versus regular season. Right? Because it's regular season. You got plenty of time to right the ship. And it's 162 games. But make no mistake about, like right now, the Dodgers are not playing good ball after getting swept by the. By the Astros. Now they're in danger of day game getting swept by the brewers, you know, but again, like, it's all your. Your snapshot. I know the White Sox stink. Royals and Rockies aren't great, but they were like 9 and 1 their last 10 heading into. And they were. They'd won like 13 out of 16 before they hit the skids with the Astros. Granted, these are two playoff teams and two teams are going to have to go through to win a World Series, but I think it's more. That's baseball. Ultimately, they'll be fine.
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Kirk Cousins
Yeah, I mean, look to your point, when you try to take these things into a bigger picture, larger context of the entire baseball season, they're on a five game losing streak and they remain five games up in the division, so everything's going to be okay. And La La.
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Doug Gottlieb
Shohei Ohtani has more home runs before the break than any Dodger hitter ever.
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TJ Houshmandzadeh
Yeah, ever.
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Kirk Cousins
Crazy as you and I painfully know the greatness of Ohtani for our beloved Angels and to see him go up the road, we're not surprised at the level of success that he's having. But, you know, it hurts. It hurts. All right, let's turn our attention to the National Football League. Is the price for Micah Parsons going up for the Cowboys? Well, you be the judge as ESPN has released its rankings for top edge rushers in the league, according to league executives, coaches and scouts. Here's how the top five rankings came in. Number one, Miles Garrett. Number two, TJ Watt. Number three, Micah Parsons. Number four, Max Crosby and Fifth was Nick Bosa, obviously, Micah Parsons awaiting his massive contract extension that he expects to receive from the Dallas Cowboys. But no news just yet on that front. Just that league execs, coaches and scouts see Micah as the third best edge rusher in the league.
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Doug Gottlieb
And look, I understand that, that everybody operates under this, like, well, Jerry's gonna sign him too late or whatever. Like, believe it or not, Jerry Jones, actually, they're fine. Because the layman sits there and goes like, hey, this is your five, five year deal. He's a free agent. No, he's not. You franchise tag him, he'll say, I don't want to be franchise tagger. I'm not going to play. And then ultimately you work out a deal or he plays into the franchise tag. So I think Michael Parsons is terrific. Obviously, last year's defense when you moved to Zimmer wasn't nearly as good. I do think that he's one of those guys that, like. I don't know if the podcast is a great idea, because sometimes it voices opinions about things that it doesn't need out there. Again, here. Here I am, a head college coach, having my own radio show and podcast as well. I'm not trying to be hypocritical, but I.
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Kirk Cousins
Hey, at least you have the awareness to call attention.
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Doug Gottlieb
I do at least have the awareness to know, like, oh, yeah, we're not going there today. We're not talking about that. That's. That's not. We're not not doing that. But this is. It's not, you know, let's. He's gonna be a cowboy. Sure, he's gonna be a cowboy. Okay, so what we, what we need to do to be smarter sports fans is don't act like he's gonna go somewhere else because he wants to. Right. Because the way NFL contracts work, they can franchise him next year, franchise me after that. They can franchise you after that in the other franchise tag and pay him a gargantuan sum of money. So he's not a free agent now. It'll hurt them against the cap. He's going to be a cowboy. It's a matter of when, not if. And I don't. I think we waste a lot of mental energy thinking otherwise.
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Kirk Cousins
Totally. I think when you zoom out, though, and look at the Cowboys, the biggest issue that whether it's cowboy fans or just outsiders who look at the organization as a whole is that you just paid Dak Prescott another record, some amount of money. You paid CD Lam, which again, I think out of all of these players Ceedee may be the highest end player or the most impactful overall. So I don't necessarily think there's an issue with paying Micah because he is also a very good player. But each of these guys are going to be paid, quote unquote, top of market and you have no real post season success to show for it. So it's not that paying these guys is bad in practice, it's just that you keep doubling and tripling down on paying top of market money for a collection core of players that hasn't actually produced a lot in January or February, as opposed to perhaps trying to take a more creative approach and trading one of these guys early to see if you can get two very good players in place of one great player that's now going to take up a large portion of your salary cap.
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, this. It does look. Last year the Dallas Cowboys, if you have the football database and their overall defensive ratings, okay, they had the fifth worst defense in the NFL. That's just one rating in terms of yards per game, you know, points a game. There's some other stuff as well and there's some advanced analytics. They were not very good defensively last year. So there is a. You remember when Mac was traded from Chicago to the Raiders, right? It was two first round draft picks. Never get that. But from the Raiders to the Bears. My bad. Okay. And the the point is that could he be traded? Sure. Will he? I don't think so. All right, coming up next in the herd. That's right, Music with the news. Kirk Cousins is buying. I'm not selling. I'm not buying. That's next.
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