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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, you could say that, Colin. Conspiracy theorists running wild. It's a great night day to be a conspiracy theorist, isn't it?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, several minutes before that awful injury to Jason Tatum. Several minutes before you could see it. I could see it. I think people in Boston could see it. The Knicks are going to win this series. They're the better team. They're better coached. They're more relentless. The home crowd clearly elevates this team. They're dominating the boards. Their bigs are playing better. They're passing better. Less standing around, better decision making. More points in the paint. Tibbs took the Celtics head coach Joe Missoula to the cleaners. The Celtics in the second half. It was ISO standaround. Basketball coach pull some levers. Do something. What happened to Pton Pritchard? Isn't he good? Why'd he only play 20 minutes? It was just hard to watch. Missoula coaches like he's got a checklist. That's not. That's not what NBA playoff basketball is about. It's about pulling levers. You can see Steve Cur do it, though. He's outmanned. You really see a Chris Finch doing it for years. Eric Spoelstra. Joe Missoula has got like one club in his bag. When the three point shots don't fall, he's out of luck. But this series really has not been about the Celtics. It's been about New York. If you didn't know better and you just turned into that thing last night, you would think the world champion New York Knicks were defending their title. Their ability to execute in crunch time. Everybody's touching the ball. The shot making from Cat Brunson, OG Bridges, the toughness coming back multiple games, all of them from 20 points down. Their leader, Jalen Brunson. Let's just be honest. He. He is like the new Jerry West. He is Mr. Clutch. Tatum played great before the injury. It Was a great game. But in terms of clutch, is there any small player in this league you trust more with the ball than Jalen Brunson? I'm including Steph. I know he's undersized. I know he's a second rounder, I know he's not a premier athlete, but, man, he finds good shots. He has been, and I've said this for the last two years, the best quarterback New York has, his decision making. You can tell he's a smart guy that went to Villanova, dad played in the league. Fearless player, totally trustworthy. But again, it's not just that New York's winning, it's how they're winning. New York is making Boston look fragmented, disorganized, poorly coached, confused and passive. If you'd never watched basketball and you tuned into that game and I said, find the champion. It looks like the Knicks, they've got a swagger, a confidence shot making, an attitude. Even before the Tatum injury, which was obviously awful. And he. We're not going to speculate, but that looked really bad. We'll find out more today in mri. New York, it's only three to one. Knicks. It felt like it was over five minutes before the Tatum injury. The confidence, the shot making. I. I'm sitting here watching. Everybody on that team dependent on nobody. Great ball movement. Josh Hart didn't need a bunch of points. He touch it, get it to somebody who's hot. Here's Brunson after. I think it was a sense of, like, urgency, desperation, just knowing that we have, we have a great opportunity, we're playing a really good team, and I don't even think we're playing our best basketball yet. We have a team who's fairly new this year, and we still have a long way to go to be the best thing we can be. It is. These windows close fast. I was talking to a friend last night in the podcast and I said, remember when the Seahawks were great and then they won a Super Bowl, Blew out Peyton Manning. They go to another one, should win it. Russell Wilson throws a pick. People thought Marshawn lynch should have gotten the handoff. They lose close to Brady and the Patriots. It screws with the culture in the locker room. There's doubt, there's finger pointing. Never the same franchise good, but never great again. And with Boston, the injury, $500 million bankroll, needed new owners. They're getting old. What happened to poor Zingis? I don't know. I know the west has better teams, younger teams, but when I watch the Knicks all year Long. I've thought, you know, they've got to solve this. They. They need another shot maker. I'm watching this series and I'm like, they. Maybe they need to tweak a more dependable big, but I don't think they need much, at least to win the East. All right, let's talk Golden State. Golden State's in trouble. Not just this year, but for the foreseeable future. They brought in Jimmy Butler, as we talked about yesterday, to squeeze every last bit of juice out of Steph. And Steve Kerr, again, excellent coach. But just like the Lakers series, where old LeBron Luca and Austin Reeves kind of felt outmanned that Minnesota was getting more out of more players. I'm watching the Timberwolves. That's the opposite of the Celtics. That team doesn't have. As this team doesn't have as much talent. They're pulling every lever. I mean, Julius Randle, He's a legitimate two. He was never a good playoff guy. He's been excellent. 31 last night, 52% from the field. His assist playmaking has been fantastic. He's finally a dependable playoff guy. And Edwards, unrefined at times. Anybody notice in the series, he averages seven points in the first half, 20 in the second, something the staff is doing and tweaking is changing the way he plays in every game in the second half. It's remarkable. This is an odd, disparate roster full of guys that shouldn't fit. 7 foot 1. Rudy Gobert, who can't really shoot. Undrafted Nas Reed, who's a good athlete, but what else? Julius Randall, who's a tweener and an emerging superstar who sometimes can't find his shot. It's just a bunch of guys who we've never trusted in the playoffs. And now for the second straight year, we do. I mean, LeBron Luca and Austin Reeves look completely outclassed. A little bit of Steph Butler and Draymond, similarly, it doesn't feel like they're close. And this was the clear value of coaching on display. You look at this Minnesota roster, you could argue there's five or six better rosters. Cleveland's roster is better. I mean, OKCS is obviously better. I could argue Golden State when Steph is healthy, is close, but it's. It's. They have transformed all these different pieces that shouldn't necessarily fit. Julius Randle didn't really fit early in the season. Now at the end of the season, what a great, dependable number two. We've never said that about Julius Randall, and it was a halftime speech by a newly formed leader, Ant Edwards, that changed the game.
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Jason McIntyre
I told him we only got two wins.
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Colin Cowherd
I've never seen a series and two one. So I told him, you know, we got to get two more wins.
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Jason McIntyre
And right now we playing like we.
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Colin Cowherd
Already got four wins. Like we playing like they gonna lay down. And knowing this team, knowing their head coach, they're never gonna lay down. So we had to, we had to figure it out, man.
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Jason McIntyre
Cause if we would have kept playing.
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Colin Cowherd
Like that, we would have lost tonight. So during the dynasty and the great run by Steve Kerr, he has always been known. The warriors have had some of the great third quarters ever. A little tweak, add this, subtract that, change that, tweak that the warriors would take close games and come out with an 184 run and end it. That's what Minnesota has been doing. Especially Ant Edwards. He is a totally different player. First couple of games in this series, shots didn't fall. Couldn't get the close ones to go either. He's been in this series transformed. That is along with Ant, Randall, Gobert, Nas Reed and the rest. That is coaching on display. So J. Mac, the. Listen, I don't care what people say about market size, the defending champs are in big trouble. Minnesota's gonna beat the most popular player, Steph Curry. Lakers have already been extinguished. OKC is a small market, but nonetheless, Americans are absolutely sure the lottery was rigged.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, Colin, first of all, I don't know that the Timberwolves are beating Steph Curry since he's barely played in the series. They're beating a Warriors team, which doesn't look like, I mean, anything resembling a playoff team without Curry. It is amazing how far they've fallen without a superstar.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's.
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Jason McIntyre
I think Boston will show up the next game without Tatum.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
The warriors can't do anything without Curry.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, he is their gps. They are kind of a directionless offense. He's the, you know, we've said this. There, there are certain players, LeBron in his prime and, and Steph Curry, where they're kind of the, the ecosystem like the offense goes through them. It looks different, the pacing's different, the ball movements. That's why Kaminga is flourishing without Steph. And then the offense totally changes with Steph and he just looks lost. So there are. The good news for Golden State is they're going to be able to move Kaminga, who looks like a 20 game, 20 point a game guy, against a very good defensive team. So Kaminga, his value shot up. That's the only thing if you're the warriors, because I don't think Curry's going to play. He acknowledged yesterday as what's the point of risking it? Hamstring, as you've noted, is a rest injury. But Kaminga's play has created a market.
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Jason McIntyre
It has. I just. I the whole the way the draft went down last night, the draft lottery, this Giannis stuff is going absolutely volcanic. There's so many teams potentially involved, plus the Tatum injury. Colin. I had thought Boston could be a landing spot for Giannis. I don't know if that's the case anymore due to this injury to Tatum. He's gonna be out until at least the All Star break. Possibly longer. Yeah, next year stinks.
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Colin Cowherd
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There aren't this many good actors in Hollywood that would do that. Did they rig it for cruddy Atlanta last year that was also a playing team like the Mavs? Did they rig it for the New York Islanders like the Mavericks had a very small percentage to win? Yeah, it's fixed. It is fixed. Fixed so that the worst tanking teams don't win the lottery. Yes, it is fixed. Essentially, the draft lottery now is like the local raffle at your tavern where you got 15, 20 people. It's a raffle. And sometimes the same guy wins two out of four raffles. That's the way it is. By the way, when Zion Williamson out of huge brand Duke, a dunking machine was available and the Knicks had the number one pick. Yeah, they fixed it so the Pelicans would get it. Or Atlanta last year. By the way, if you're going to fix it, give Chicago or Philadelphia Cooper flag, not football crazy Dallas. The NBA has flattened the lottery odds. Essentially a raffle, a scratch off ticket. What's that mean? No team with the worst record has won it since they did it. The NBA changed the rules to create this. Do you really think Wemby, they would say. Let's say. Where can we put Wemby? Let's put him in San Antonio. Yeah. The last time San Antonio had a dynasty, it killed the TV ratings for a decade. You would not pick San Antonio, believe me. In fact, some of you aren't very good at math. The three teams with the best odds to win last night the odds were 14%. That's a raffle. Those are the best odds. If you add the three teams with the best odds together, it still doesn't reach 50%. And what's happened the last several years, the best odds has finished fifth. And that happened again last night, Utah. It is a raffle. They flatten the Odds. You would not have put Wemby in San Antonio. You would not have put Zion with the Pelicans. The Pelicans have won this thing multiple times. Well, LeBron left, and they gave Cleveland Andrew Wiggins. It doesn't matter if LeBron's coming or going. Nobody in any league office is rooting for Cleveland to get the best players. So it's just like, this is the way it worked. This is what the NBA wanted. The NBA wanted what you're seeing with the cba. There are no more dynasties. That's what Adam Silver wanted. And with this, I mean, the crazy thing, San Antonio almost won, which is nuts. But it should be noted they also draft and develop well. So for the third year in a row, the team with the worst actual record did not win this thing. And I think Cooper Flagg in Dallas is great. I think I. I think he's exactly what they needed, but he's also exactly what every team in the league. The Lakers could use him. The Knicks are a good team. They could use him. He's Jayson Tatum. That's what he is. He's Jayson Tatum, and he's got 12, 13 years potentially at prime coming into the league. So just listen. I understand. Nobody trusts institutions. I get it. It's happening all over the land, right? It's FBI, CIA, vaccines. Everybody on the Internet's an expert. That's fine. It doesn't bother me. I'm not gonna try to convince you otherwise. I'm just telling you what I see, which is the NBA. Adam Silver said, you know what? I'm gonna be friendlier to the players than David Stern. I'm going to get out of the dynasty business, and we're going to flatten these odds because tanking is really bad. Tanking is really bad for the NBA for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons it's really bad is March. College basketball is super competitive with the tournament, and March is the time in the NBA that teams tank. So you watch a college game with all that energy and then turn to an NBA game, and it's like, you know, the Wizards tanking, and Adam Silver's like, this is a bad six weak look for our league. So we. They got $76 billion for 11 years. Okay? Now, whether NBC can make that work financially, that's up to NBC, but if you want to believe tanking and rig, go for it. I'm just saying Wemby wouldn't have been picked in San Antonio, and Zion wouldn't go to the Pelicans because The Knicks had the number one pick, by the way, Utah. This is what keeps happening. Best odds, only 14%. Once again, best odds get the fifth pick. That's how raffles work. I've had raffles. I've never won a raffle. I bought 30 tickets to a raffle with 12 people. I've never won a raffle. I have been at Raffles, had 100 bucks in my pocket and bought tickets for the whole family and not want a raffle. I don't think it's rigged. I think that's how scratch off games and raffles work. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is. I would be terrible going to the NBA draft lottery. I would be a terrible guy to put up there. I've never won a thing on a scratch off. Every time I buy a lottery ticket, I already buy the jet skis. I already know I'm gonna win. I don't think I've won a nickel ever.
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Jason McIntyre
I didn't see you as a raffle ticket guy. Every time they come around, I'm like, no thanks, I'm good. Can I just. 10 second spiel. So LeBron in 2010 ditches the Cavs for the Heat.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Guess who gets a year later, the number one pick. The Cleveland Cavaliers. And they draft Kyrie Irving as superstar point guard Anthony Davis.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me stop you there, okay? Kyrie Irving played eight games at Duke and you know, there was talk within the program he was talented but small and couldn't stay healthy. So the idea that he was going to become the great 10 year left right handed finisher. Kyrie Irving was a speculative. Eight college games, bit of a tude, couldn't stay healthy. So this idea, they. Oh, they knew. No, no, no. People Knew Carmelo and LeBron would be great, Wemby would be great. There have been a lot. Kyrie Irving, I would argue his first three years in Cleveland, a lot of people thought he was a bust.
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Jason McIntyre
Wow.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. But he was. Stop with the LeBron left and we gave you the magic. Kyrie Irving.
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Jason McIntyre
So that was just one. Then Anthony Davis forces his way out of New Orleans to the Lakers. Get me there. Guess who wins the draft lottery the next year? The Pelicans get Zion Williams.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so let's just guess. You really think the NFL, if the NFL or NBA, would ever pick a Charlotte or a New Orleans to win? Why you would always go New York, Philly, Boston, Chicago. Like last night, first team off the board, Chicago. And I'm like, I mean, you would want. I Mean, Chicago leads the NBA in attendance virtually every year for 20 years, even since Michael left. And they've had bad teams and many speculate they're not well run. Would you not put Cooper flag from Duke to Chicago?
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Jason McIntyre
I was hoping for Chicago.
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Colin Cowherd
They didn't even get close. They were like 12.
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Jason McIntyre
But those two in the last 15 years compounded by Luca forgetting going to the Lakers. Hey, Dallas will hook you up. We'll get you Cooper flag. And I know that sounds crazy, but three in the last. I'm not saying it's okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me ask you this.
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Jason McIntyre
Three in the last 15 years.
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Colin Cowherd
We live next to Hollywood. I'm, I'm. I'm part of a group of people that is writing a script. Not writing a script, but part of a script. I'm on television, so I could probably. You could probably put me on something and I could act a little bit. Show the video again of 15 men in Dallas acting in a room.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Now, now I. I've had a one or two of these moments in life. You're gonna get 15, dude. Look at these guys. These guys are going nuts.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I mean, the theory would be only one guy knew and that's Nico Harris and what was going on. But again, I know people are here listening to this and J. Mac, you're crazy. It is a weird coincidence that teams lose us major star and then get handed the number one pick the next year.
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Colin Cowherd
But again, I'll tell you a weird coincidence. I went walking, lost my car keys a month ago, told this story.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I walked back and there was one person sitting in the park. I walked up and said, have you seen any keys? And she said, oh, yeah, they're right here. I picked them up an hour ago. That's a coincidence. It's not a coincidence. I mean, I literally was like, what are the chances in L. A. In L. A Of the lady sitting at the park having my keys? That's zany. And that wasn't fixed either. That wasn't rigged either. It's just some stuff happened.
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Jason McIntyre
As someone who went to Japan, if that happened in Japan, your key would have been sitting there. Nobody would have picked it up because they, they don't do that stuff. Anyways, let's get to the the news. The NFL announces the schedule tomorrow, but some games are starting to leak. Boy, fox got hooked up. Colin. Week 16 Saturday, December 20th. We get Eagles Commanders rematch of the NFC Championship and Packers bears a tremendous.
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Colin Cowherd
Rivalry for a wild card spot. That packer bear game is going to be lit. Oh.
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Jason McIntyre
Both Those games are going to be phenomenal. There are some college football fans who are angry that it goes head to head with the College Football Playoff. You know, hey, listen, it happens Saturday in December. Don't go Christmas shopping in December, okay.
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Colin Cowherd
That everybody's freaking out. Media, stop. We have a College Football Playoff. The NFL puts games everywhere. You're gonna get days where you gotta make choices. Sorry, but the world of sports isn't going. Bob. And Dayton, Ohio, you can't put two games on at the same time. We knew going into the College Football Playoff this would happen. For the record, then you put the holidays in and the NBA inserts games in. There are going to be days in December going forward because of the expanded College Football Playoff. This is our new reality. Let me tell you, the best problem to have as a guy that loves sports is having to get a second TV to watch the Buckeyes on one and the packers on another. If that's our biggest problem, we're all better for it.
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Jason McIntyre
We're in good shape. Also. Do you have a remote control? Does it work? I could get you batteries for Christmas early if you'd like. Like, it's not that big of a deal. More sports. What's wrong with that?
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Colin Cowherd
Come on.
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Jason McIntyre
How good do we have it?
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Colin Cowherd
Don't we all love the red zone? There's 10 games on at once. Who cares?
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, I put this in my phone this Sat. Saturday, Dec. 20, do not schedule anything. So the wife can't be like, hey, we're going to see Christmas. Like, no, no, I've got the calendar that night. Yeah, we got football and we got college and NFL. Like, I'm not doing it. So I highly recommend dudes get on your calendar. Beat the wife to it. Next up. Oh, boy. Oh, Aaron Rodgers. Colin, I know we're getting sick of him, but. However, Steelers insiders, two gentlemen named Tom Filiponi and Chris Mueller, who cover the team deeply, are saying there is a big Steelers announcement coming today. And the belief is that they, the Steelers, will be signing Aaron Rodgers. Now, the schedule is done, right? They're not making any tweaks. So maybe the Steelers know, hey, we got the schedule. Let's go.
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Colin Cowherd
Grab. You know why he may not sign today? Because in typical Aaron fashion, if he goes online, which he's on a lot, and reads that people are suggesting he'll sign today, he won't do it. As a matter of principle, just a middle finger, he'll do it in the next week. If he's going to do it on a Day people are forgetting about it. Like I could see him doing it just to stick it to the NFL. The exact hour of the schedule release tomorrow I come.
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Jason McIntyre
No way.
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Colin Cowherd
Aaron is much more calculated. He and LeBron are very calculated. Doesn't make them bad people, but they, they, they make things look like it's. Nobody can control me. Nobody's got any information. They're on the Internet all day making sure you do.
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Jason McIntyre
Insufferable. I would just say, Aaron, can you wait till next week? There's no draft lottery, there's no schedule release next week. A little slower than this week. Just wait, don't do it today. A lot of stuff going on. Final story. Colin is to the NBA and this is going to be an issue. Giannis, he has come out and said, I guess he went on his brother's podcast a couple weeks ago, said he's, he's open to the idea of moving. There's a report from another network saying he wants to play with another star player. The Knicks fans are saying, hey, we'll see how this goes. We could get an MX forum. Dwight Howard is trying to engagement farm and say that, hey, Giannis, I could give you some advice now. The interesting angle here is trickling out of Houston, Colin. The Rockets want Giannis. They are not interested, reportedly in Kevin Durant, Zion Williamson or Devin Booker. That to me is fascinating. They're putting it out. We don't want these guys, we want Giannis. I think Houston has to be the clubhouse leader. Although the spurs become interesting with that second pick.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think Katie and Booker would both fit very well in Houston, but that's their call. Listen, if you get Giannis, you'll. My guess is you'll have to give up either Amen Thompson and Houston says we won't, or Shen Goon, which, you know, you would get a 20 point a game. What's, what's. He's only like 22 years old.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he's super.
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Colin Cowherd
He'll end up being a 24, 25 A game center and by the way, moving into his prime for the next eight years. So I think Milwaukee would say we're getting, we're not getting Giannis, but we're getting eight years of big guy prime. He's a guy, that guy's a good finesse player. He can pass, he can score, he can shoot. He's got a feathery touch. So I think he would have to be. At least Houston's got the stuff to pull it off.
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Jason McIntyre
Picks and players.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, and, and Houston has said we're not giving up. Amen Thompson. That I totally agree with. He is a dog. I would not let anybody touch him.
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Jason McIntyre
To the Giannis, I want to play with another star player. Amen. Thompson's not a star. Well, Giannis 31, I believe, like, if you give up Shen Goon, Jalen Green.
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Colin Cowherd
I think I am in. Thompson's an All Star next year.
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Jason McIntyre
Next year? Oh, I think I was going to say two years.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, okay. But I mean, he. He's an All Star level player. Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And I don't want to hear the fans at Dell's in Milwaukee say we don't want Jalen Green and Shen Goon. Listen, Brook Lopez is moving on. He's 37, free agent. They're looking to cut. Cut costs. And I think Sengun is. He's an All Star in the East.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he was 22, an All Star, so there's. You could say if he plays to 32, he'll make seven, eight more All Star Games. Now Wembley's gonna start, Wemby's gonna start making some, and Holmgren's gonna start making.
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Jason McIntyre
Joel Embiid's on his way out. I'm just trying to come up with a way for the. For the Lakers to get in. The honesty takes there.
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Colin Cowherd
There's really just, you know, everybody's talking about kd.
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Jason McIntyre
KD to where? Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they're just talking about KD moving. What about Booker? Booker's younger. He's a basket. Is he a better version of Jamal Murray?
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Jason McIntyre
He was a homegrown guy. They love him in Phoenix. KD is just an assassin, a hired gun. I don't think they would. I don't think they love KD the way they love Book, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, that's fair. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. So we're not going to speculate on Jayson Tatum. He was having a great playoff game, totally aggressive. But I do think watching that game last night, Boston needs to look in the mirror here. I don't know what's happening with Porzingis, but the mystery illness, the injuries, the inconsistency. Cats got his issues. So does Robinson for the Knicks, but they feel like they're more substantial. You got to look in the mirror on Joe Missoula. I thought he got worked. Al Horford's old Drew Holiday has aged very quickly. And the teams out west and Indiana, out east are all getting better. And the Knicks are for real, so. And this team is strapped financially, even if they just signed their first round pick. The Celtics are strapped financially. And my guess is Tatum is not playing at best until the All Star game. So this reminds me, and it's, it's one of the things about pro sports we talk about all the time, is that this, this team reminds me of Denver. So they had Jokic, they had Jamal Murray, they had a bunch of good players and one great player. And Denver won the title. And I can remember saying, boy, they could be San Antonio. They got their Duncan and then all of a sudden they had to move off some bench guys and rotational guys. And you look up and you're like Denver's Denver surrounded by a bunch of good young teams and Wemby and sga and Denver's just going to get one, which is fine. Getting one is. It's, it's more than the Niners have done. It's more than Baltimore and the Bills have done in the NFL. Getting one trophy is hard, but they've got a Boston's. It's interesting. New York's for real. Indiana's got an excellent roster and may beat. If they get through it, beat New York, OkC, Houston, San Antonio are going nowhere. I mean, the good news, I guess for Boston is Giannis is going west. But I would say Milwaukee is going to load up on young players. I think, I think Boston's got a Boston issue, is that I think like Denver, we looked at them and we thought, okay, this thing's going to last. Then the owner always be careful. When the owner sells, what do they see? The owner sells. Now Tatum's hurt. Porzingis drew holiday age very quickly. And I think Joe Missoula felt like last night he really felt second, third tier, like he's kind of one golf club in the back coach. So Adam Silver, he didn't want dynasties. And you know, Boston's an example. They are up against it. Their payrolls, what, 500 million, they gotta move off pieces. Here was Joe Missoula on and just add this in. It's awful. That devastating Jason Tatum injury. I mean, obviously always concerned about someone's health. So, you know, it's twofold. We're concerned about his health, where he's at, and then we're concerned about what we have to do better for game five when we get back to Boston. Yeah, he was playing a great basketball game. He was really aggressive. Between Brunson and Jayson Tatum, you were getting. I was sitting there watching and I'm like, boy, this is an all time NBA playoff game. This is all Time stuff. The New York crowd is fantastic. Indiana and New York crowds are nuts. They are, Jeff. The Eastern Conference doesn't have as good a players or teams. The fans are nuts in Indiana and New York. And it was one of those games where you really felt the crowd was elevating the team. But Tatum, because Pritchard wasn't playing much, Tatum was really carrying that team. They were just doing ISOs. And when he got a little cold, suddenly, boom. Next lead by nine, shot making. So I think my guess is I look at Boston going forward. Cross your fingers on Tatum. But will they become Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto, Raptors, where you think there's more. You look up and it's like we're a one time championship team. My other takeaway in this is I thought all year New York's got to take a big swing. If this is how the NBA is going to allow games to be officiated. Physical teams that D up and make shots late. When New York does not need a big swing, they may need a tweak. I don't trust Robinson at the line or Cats defense. They mean a may need a big guy tweak. Bridge has been great though. Brunson's a number one og, has been amazing. Josh Hart, excellent team player. And Tibbs is having a great series for New York. So I think it's more of a tweak for New York. You know, this, this Knicks front office for the last three years has been so patient and all of us in the media keep saying get Giannis and get kd and for years they would. But this New York Knicks front office is patient and smart and kind of tunes out the press and the media smartly. And they are a. I mean it's. You can't watch that game last night and not. I mean, I found myself rooting for the Knicks in this series. I. You can't not root for a team that plays this hard and makes these kind of shots. I mean, it's very rare when a New York team is a lovable underdog. And they are. They're one of the great watches in the league. It's a combination of Villanova, NBA guts, guile, toughness, coaching. It's hard to turn off.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, are you surprised the Celtics kept leaving 38 year old Al Horford on an island against Brunson? What Throw a double at. I was stunned. And Brunson's just cooking him left and right. He had an amazing.
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Colin Cowherd
I just. Their offense, they just started standing around. It's like it's like, listen, that's when you call a timeout. You've got to, you got to call a timeout, engineer a play, get a basket. Because that New York crowd, did you notice? I mean, it was like, it felt like almost if you ever go to a boxing match and there's a home fighter where obviously it's in Panama and it's a Panamanian fighter and you can tell the crowd is elevating the boxer. I mean, it was like when you go to New York and this crowd and they go on like a six nothing run timeout, call a play, get a bucket. Because that crowd was jet fuel for the Knicks.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. By the way, did you see who's leading the Celtics in points, rebounds, assists and steals in the series? I wasn't sure if you saw that. No, it's Jason Tatum.
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Colin Cowherd
No, he was like great last night. He played great.
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Jason McIntyre
He's a great series.
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Colin Cowherd
It's had a good series. He had a great night. A good series, a great night. He was tremendous last night. Cross our fingers on that. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, Rich, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. 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Colin Cowherd
So I find I said I don't think Cleveland is going to be any good this year. I like their gm. I love Miles Garrett, Kevin Stefanski. They're not going to be very good. But it's going to be fascinating to watch them because essentially they drafted a much more talented Tim Tebow. They have Shador Sanders and he's going to be the talk. So according to the Athletics Zach Jackson, he joined some something called the Ultimate Cleveland Sports show and he said in just throwing the ball it's not close. Shador Sanders. It's not close. He is much better than Dylan Gabriel. Yes he is. He's much bigger and much better. I don't know how Shador Sanders is going to be as a pro. So much of this is where you land. I do like Stefanski a lot but Shador is 6:2 historically accurate and I have seen him standing around like people like me normal sized people. He's big. He's a big six two. You know Mahomes is 61 and a half. You never question. Mahomes has big hands, big shoulders, a butt like some guys are six one and a half six two. Aaron Rodgers is my size. I work out almost every day. He weighs 35 pounds more than me. Why air Aaron Rodgers, you never think about his size. He's six'1, big butt, big calves, big risks. You know, Aaron's a pro athlete. Cade Cunningham we talked about earlier with Detroit. Cade Cunningham's what a pro athlete looks like. I'm going to show you a picture of pro day at Oregon. Bo Nix, Justin Herbert and Dylan Gabriel, take a look at the picture. Sorry. RADIO audience okay. Dylan Gabriel is noticeably smaller and thinner than Bo Nix and Bo Nix is not ideal size in the NFL. Justin Herbert is your ideal NFL size quarterback. 6 5, wide shoulders, big head, big hands, legs. And again, this is not to pick on Dylan Gabriel. I think he was. Everybody's talking about Shador being underdrafted. I thought Dylan Gabriel was overdrafted. To me he's like a six or a seventh round pick. I think he is a backup to a backup in the NFL. He is a very, very small guy and he's also a 511 pocket guy. So the guys in the NFL that can still win games in the pocket are six three, Matt Stafford, six four Jared Goff, six six, Joe Flacco. Eli was six five, Peyton was six five and a half or whatever he was. Brady is much taller than me and I'm six one and a half six two. So it's, it's. Yes. This is not somebody pulling for Shador Sanders. Shador Sanders is a good prospect. Kenny Pickett got drafted in the first round. Shadow Sanders a much better quarterback than Kenny Pickett, in my opinion, much better prospect. Dylan Gabriel had a great coach, a great offensive line and a great run game. And yet Shador Sanders ran for more rushing first downs, mostly running for his life. And we don't consider him a mobile quarterback. And I've been saying this, Shador is plenty, plenty mobile enough. And I like all the answers. So far. What I've heard from Shador, of course it's day by day. I just find something I want to perfect and just perfect it to the best of my abilities and, and that's all I really focus on and just being there, just being a leader, being a great teammate, doing what I need to do whenever it is. So I'm just thankful for an opportunity. Things could have been a lot worse, but I'm here smiling in front of you all at this facility right now. My job here isn't to prove people wrong. Like I proved myself right. That's, that's, that's. And I, and I fully have self belief, you know, and what those people say, that's. That's just their opinion. Okay, so again, no idea if it works, but when Shador and Dylan Gabriel and I wouldn't mind seeing a few snippets of Dylan Gabriel video over the next several months. And this is why Shedeur got drafted later. If you didn't see him as a starter, people didn't want the Tebow noise. That it. We saw it in New York. It's a mess. Belichick moved off Cam Kaepernick. Those guys are starters or you don't want them in the room. There's too much. But Shador is a decent prospect. He may not be a great prospect. Cam Ward was clearly the best prospect. Shitter is pretty good. I want to go back to the. I'm not even going to argue that the NBA lottery is rigged. You, you, whatever you want, I don't care. I think it's kind of funny. You do whatever you want to do, but I think there's been some talk about, you know, would Dallas get a Giannis like they need more size. Would Dallas move the number one pick? Listen, what Cooper Flag is, is hope. When they traded Luca away, they lost hope. I still contend if Kyrie Anthony Davis and the Mavericks were healthy after the Luca trade, they would have been a dangerous playoff team like Minnesota level dangerous. But everybody got hurt and it's a mass and whatever. But the NFL has always done a great job. Where of the 32 teams you always feel like about 27 enter the year with a chance to do something, maybe, maybe be a wild card team. It's a league of hope. In baseball we know there's about eight to 10 teams that cannot compete financially. We know that most of them in American or National League Central, they just can't stack up. We know in the NBA there's eight to 10 or more teams that are hard to watch and years away because the draft in the NBA gives you a 17, 18 year old. They're years from being able to get into the hotel bar. In the NFL, it's the League of Hope. You're drafting 23 year olds. If you get the right quarterback with four years of college experience and the right coach, boom. You can be Houston playoff team overnight. You can be a laughingstock, Washington to the NFC championship. Coach, coordinator, quarterback, you don't even need a great roster. But I do think Cooper Flag is a domestic product and an 18 to 20 point a game guy. Very early in his career he creates hope in Dallas and Dallas, a lot of it was overstated. They were going to be fine if Kyrie Irving didn't get hurt. Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving and all these big guys, they were going to be a playoff team next year, even in the West. Cooper flag, though, you can kind of plant that flag in. Hey, we can compete now very quickly. So what what is interesting is how here's what I've noticed in the last 36 hours. I'm told Giannis is going West. Dallas now got Cooper flag, San Antonio got the number two pick. Oklahoma City's got a war chest of picks. Houston's going to make multiple moves and the Lakers, you know they're going to be aggressive. That's why I said about the New York Knicks, hey, let's Boston's got to make some moves here. Horford, Drew Holiday, Porzingis Tatum's injury. Is Joe Missoula the right guy? New York, at least in the east, is a lot closer to being an Eastern Conference champion, minimum than any of us thought a week ago. 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