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The iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now, let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. It is a Wednesday. It's a Caitlin Clark Wednesday. How grateful are we? How lucky are we in June? You know, this industry is football season waiting for football that Caitlyn Clark has become a leading source of content. Or we could talk about Aaron Rodgers. I am for Caitlyn Clark. JMAC texted me last night. The gift that keeps on giving. I. I do think the media, the media is prone to do this. You know, the media tends to be very reactionary and the fans generally get it more, more than the media. So I want to start with this. J. Mac. The WNBA has arrived. Caitlin Clark's gotten really good really fast. It's like the end of year one for Michael Jordan or year three for Michael Jordan. She's gotten really good really fast. And you got to put a body on her or you got a double teamer or she's going to embarrass you. She's shooting 33 footers, and what happened last night's a byproduct of that. This is what happened to mj. She's number one and two in every offensive stat. She's hitting more threes this season than Steph Curry did in his first MVP season. And her game embarrasses you. So like men's basketball, J.C. sheldon had the task of stopping, stopping the latest superstar in her basketball league. And this thing was chatty. In the second quarter, it was chatty. They've got history. It was trash talking. And then in the third quarter, Sheldon poked her in the eye again. This is something we see all the time. They were on each other. They were talking. It was trashy. The superstar, like mj, unstoppable poker in the eye. And that's a flagrant foul. And it should have been a flagrant foul. And then Marina Mabry. This is inappropriate. Came over, knocked her over. Many thought she should have been thrown out of the game. Well, she got it. She didn't get a technical. It's a little bad boys. Pistons with mj. For the record, Caitlin Clark got up. She wasn't hurt. She did more trash talking. She hit more threes. She remained remarkable. Just like all the great. You know, if you respect women, stop pandering. She's tough she's feisty, she likes to taunt and talk, and nobody quite knows what the hell to do. I mean, when Candace Parker, 10 years ago, Candace Parker led this for WNBA and assists with six a game. Caitlin Clark's not only the best guard, the best shooter, hitting 33 footers. They're flashy and kind of embarrass you. She's averaging nine assists a game. She's. She's changed the entire tempo of the sport. Forget the merchandise. That's another segment. So they don't know what to do. Hack a shack. Mike Dunlevy coaching the Blazers. We can't stop him. And we have Arvida Sabonis, Steph Curry's first couple years in the league. Thank God for Draymond Green. And by the way, this, this league, they knew what they were getting into, right? Like, like. And I'll get to this in a second, but they brought Sophie Cunningham over in a trade for a reason. She's the youngest black belt in the state of Missouri's history, six years old. They brought her over to protect Caitlin Clark because they saw this puppy coming. The league doesn't quite know what to do, but the fever did. And so again, you got to put a body on her. You got to get physical. If you go look at the history of basketball, high school, college, wnba, NBA. If there's an offensive player and they're humiliating you, Steph, Shaq, mj, Caitlin, what do you do? You can't trap her. She'll dribble through it. You got to put a body on her. You got a double teamer. You try to get in her head with trash talking. It's not working at all. It's the ultimate compliment in my opinion. But take a deep breath. Caitlin bounced up the eye couldn't have been gouged that violently because she could see just fine draining jumpers after. Do I think it crossed a line? Yeah, that's why we had a flagrant foul and a technical. And do I think the officials are trying to figure out how quite to officiate her? Yes. I was at the Blazers Lakers series in Los Angeles. I know where I was sitting behind the basket when Kobe hit Shaq for the slam dunk. And I looked over at Bob Wits at the time, the GM of the Blazers, and thought we had Arvida Sabonas with the Blazers. We couldn't stop him. They didn't know how to officiate him. This is what happens when a superstar emerges. And here is the coach of the Fever after this is what happens Right.
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Stephanie White
This is what happens. You've got competitive women who are the best in the world at what they do. Right. And when you allow them to play physical and you allow these things to happen, they're going to compete and they're going to have their teammates backs. It's exactly what you expect right out of, out of fierce competition. So I started talking to the officials in the first quarter and we knew this was going to happen. They got to get control of it. They got to be better. They got to be better.
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Joy Taylor
Can you specifically detail what you mean by get control of the game?
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Caitlin Clark
Just to be in your words, get.
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Stephanie White
Control of the game is call the fouls that are actually happening on the floor.
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Joy Taylor
Okay, so. And again, let's go to the next level on this. So everybody's going to be okay. There was a technical, there was a flagrant. And the officials in the wa are kind of figuring out, how do we, how do we officiate this thing? Okay. They've never had a Caitlin Clark. How do we officiate this thing? How do we officiate Shaq? How do we officiate Curry when they're coming after him? How do we officiate bad boys tackling what's legal? Finally, the NBA stepped in and said, no hand checking. Nope. No, you know, forearm in the back. Like this stuff is a work in progress. And so the first year Caitlin Clark was in the wnba, they were hazing her. They're not hazing her anymore. They're just trying to figure out how the hell to stop her. It's not hazing. It's all right. Traps, pressure. So the Fever saw it coming. They went and got Sophie Cunningham, 6 year old black belt. This is what the Bulls did with Charles Oakley to protect Michael Jordan. And I said this last year several times, the WNBA is not a vertical league. Their players can't jump over each other to score like the NBA. It's a horizontal, chippy league. And you didn't watch the NBA for the last 10 to 12 years. It has always been physical and always been chippy. They. You get into a lot of collisions because they don't. There's no John Morant here. There's no Aunt Edwards. They don't jump over. It's a horizontal, physical league. And Caitlin Clark now is like kerosene to the physicality flame. So you have physicality in this league and now you get this slashy player and they don't know how to officiator, they don't know how to defend her. But I would say when I hear this. Colin, Colin, Colin. The NBA, the wnba. Colin has got to do something. Yes, they do understand. This is the arc of a new superstar in your league. It'll start with hazing. It'll go to physicality. It'll go to flagrants. It may go to technicals. You'll eventually have to get a Sophie Cunningham or a Charles Oakley. I mean, Wayne Gretzky did this for years. They figured it out in hockey. How do you stop Gretzky? Oh, we can't. How do you stop mj? We can't. How do you stop Caitlin Clark? You guys understand, this is the worst she'll ever be. She's getting better and they can't stop her. And so. But I also want you to watch this because I've always said this. The media may overreact to stuff the fans and American public usually doesn't watch the retaliation later by Sophie Cunningham. And again, this is inappropriate, right? No, it's what happens in basketball. But I want you to watch as this scrum is going on, watch the fans behind Sophie Cunningham. Watch them. They're smiling, they're engaged, they're happy. They're not horrified. The Indiana fans understand what they're seeing. It's part of the process. They went, those people in Indiana, they've gone to the Knick games and Spike Lee and Reggie Miller, they watched the Heat. Look at the. Look at the fans. They're grabbing their phones, they're taking pictures. I'm thinking the whole night. Did Nick Khan take over the wnba? We got a little WWE going on here and the fans get it. The media, in my opinion, the media does a disservice. Sports media, political media, by overreacting to everything. And the Indiana fans are like, this is fun. This is real. The wnba. Now you go to those games. There are nights the fever outdrew the Pacers. Pacers are in the finals. So the fans here are not freaking out. They're booing. Honest to God, it feels like a little, you know, sports isn't terrible if it's got a little wwe. And basketball, like international soccer, has always been personality and star driven. And when new stars emerge, I can remember Christian Pulisic, his first World cup and some of the, quote, friendlies. They were tackling him and never been an American can do that. He played Mexico, maybe Canada. What do you do when a star emerges? You can't stop them. Their game is flashy. It goes from hazing to physicality to flagrance to ejections. It's part of it. The Only good thing about getting old, and I'm not that old, but I'm kind of old, is you've seen all this stuff before. I've seen this, like eight times. I saw it in hockey with Gretzky. So listen, if you watch Gordon Ramsay, the greatest chef in the world, right? Or one of them, it gets toxic in that kitchen. John Taffer and Bar Rescue. It gets toxic. Change. People don't like change, but intensity and heat create steel. This will only make Caitlin Clark a better player. It will only make the Fever more championship ready. And the Indiana fans, good for you. You're going to have the great watch of the next 15 years, because they're never trading her. She's the Steph Curry. They're never trading her. She starts here, college here or near here. And by the way, that whole scrum and that retaliation and the delays in the game that everybody's freaking out over. Caitlin Clark's like, can we get back to playing?
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Stephanie White
Honestly, the review took too long for me. I wanted to get playing basketball again, and that's exactly what I did the rest of the third quarter. I made all three free throws, and then I, you know, it was a tough three. I was excited about a three. And, you know, honestly, I got to give our crowd a lot of credit, too. I thought they were tremendous. You know, they're cheering for us. They had our back. And I'm a passionate player, but at the end of the day, like, I'm here to play basketball, and that's what it is. And my game's going to talk, and that's all. All that really matters. And I love this game, and I'm going to give it everything I have. So I think that's what competitors do. You just step right back up to the challenge.
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Joy Taylor
That's what competitors do. That's what they do. Let's not pander. Let's not protect. Understand the wnba. I have been to a couple WNBA games. The league wasn't nearly as good or watchable. Fifteen years ago, people could lead the league in assists with five or six. Now you've got multiple players at nine and 10. People are shooting 33 footers. Watch a WNBA game if. Go watch the highlights on YouTube of this game. Look at the passing, look at the physicality, look at the shooting. This league is growing in front of our eyes. Now. Caitlin Clark is obviously the jet fuel. Half the audience goes when she's not there. But that's okay. It took Conor McGregor to the UFC and Jon Jones. It. Sometimes in emerging leagues, it takes A superstar. And now, and now, you know, America is all into ufc, but it does take sometimes these special athletes and it, it can be. Get really, really bumpy. But if you really respect all these amazing women's athletes, then take a deep breath. Nobody got hurt. J. Mac, that was so fun. By the way, if you do go to the YouTube WNBA highlights, they edit out the fighting part. Well, of course they do. So you have to go get that separately. But the point is you're old enough to know. I mean, those Knicks teams with Pat Riley, those were tackling exercises for years. There's videos of Kurt Rambis being slammed to the floor.
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J. Mac
Right.
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Joy Taylor
This stuff was. And I think fans know this, you know, when, that, when, when Sophie Cunningham comes down and tackles the girl, it's like, hey, I'm protecting my star. And my take was this is the process we want to make. We're going to let you know at the end of the game, you're not getting out of this arena without us retaliating. That is a message to every other WNBA team. You're going for a driving layup. You treat our player like that, this is how we're going to treat yours. That may get a technical, but that was a message and that's okay.
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J. Mac
So the Lakers, Kurt Ramba stuff in the 80s, the teams didn't like each other. They were rivals.
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Joy Taylor
Right.
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J. Mac
This, Colin is different. This is many players around the league not liking Caitlin Clark or they're jealous of her success. You know, I know people tried to make this a racial thing. Well, what happened last night was not racial. That's just hate. And just. They just don't like Caitlin Clark. They don't like the attention she's getting. I mean, the eye poke was so blatant and the announcer, as soon as Caitlin Clark got knocked over was like, oh, she's going to get ejected. They didn't eject the girl.
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Joy Taylor
Can you believe that I say this? I wouldn't have been bothered if she was ejected. I'm not bothered that she wasn't. It's obviously a cheap shot. Yeah, it's a cheap shot. Caitlin Clark, by the way, got right back up, you know, still. Yeah, I just, I, I think in the reality of this is, yes, obviously that's a cheap shot.
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J. Mac
Yeah, but what do you think the league wants? Colin, Kaitlyn Clark splashing 30 foot, three pointers or three scrums in the, in the Sun Fever game?
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Joy Taylor
They don't want this.
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J. Mac
This doesn't.
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Joy Taylor
I think the, I think everybody's figuring out this jigsaw Puzzle. And it's, it just takes a while. When Michael Jordan came in, I mean, you're, you're watching this stuff. And David Stern saying, oh, my God, this guy's making our league global. He's selling more shoes than any player in the history of the world. And David Stern's like, we have to protect him. But yet the Pistons tackled him for years. And David Stern, the late David Stern, step back, let it play out. Didn't protect Michael. Knew eventually they changed some officiating. Michael, by the way, in year two, got hurt, broke his foot. So he had year one and year three. So again, we all want immediate. The sports can be very similar to politics. We all want answers today. And everything's a process. We prepare for our show. It's a process. You. 90% of sports is practice, not games. Right. We only see the games. You didn't see Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr. We did see Draymond punch Pool, because we have phones now. But there's a lot of stuff that happens among teams. Teams fight amongst themselves in camp. We don't see most of that. So we're so shocked when we see that bump. I got news for you. You can find scrums in the WNBA 10 years ago. They don't jump over each other. That's not what this league is. They bang into each other.
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J. Mac
Yeah. By the way, everybody's going to see this Caitlin Clark stuff. Oh, when's the next game? Guess where their game is televised on Thursday. Amazon Prime.
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Joy Taylor
Almost.
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J. Mac
The Patrick Mahomes Chiefs, Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift effect. Caitlin Clark on Amazon prime on Thursday.
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Joy Taylor
So exciting. We've got more. Plus, LeBron being a bit of a hypocrite. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Joy Taylor
All right, welcome back. Mark Sanchez, by the way, top of the hour. So you may think I'm embellishing when I say there's a lot of similarities between Michael Jordan and Caitlin Clark. But think about this. So both were very popular in college. Caitlin got to national championships. Didn't win it, but was sensational. Michael won a title his last two years in college. He didn't, but was sensational. Both had flashy games that were different. Before Michael got to the Bulls, they were awful, 27 and 55. First year in, he improved him by 11 games. They made the playoffs. They still weren't great, but he got him into the playoffs. Pre Caitlin Clark fever awful after her first year, got him into the playoffs. Still weren't a great team by the end of year one though. For Michael, we were thinking, is this guy a top three player in the league by the end of last year? Outside of Asia Wilson, we're thinking, is Caitlin a top three player in the league by year three? Michael got hurt in year two, Year three, Michael mvp. Year two for Caitlin. Hopefully she doesn't get hurt. Will she be an mvp? She's our second right now in odds. These are very similar players. Both sold a ton of merchandise. We fell in love with them and knew him. Michaels at North Carolina, winning a title, taken the shot, facing Georgetown. Everybody didn't even go number one. But everybody's like, who is this guy? Bobby Knight at the time said, most talented guy I've ever seen in the basketball court ever. Caitlin Clark, merch, popularity, bad team, gets him into the playoffs. And by the second full year of playing, are they the best player in the league? They are the MVP of the league. I mean, she is the mvp. She may not win the award. She's the MVP of the league. And in both instances, both staffs, coaching staffs and organizations understood that they had to protect their players. The Bulls went out and got Charles Oakley, the intimidator, the enforcer, to protect Michael because they started seeing how people were defending him and fouling him. Caitlin Clark, they go and get the fever. Sophie Cunningham, as I said earlier, six years old, had a black belt, youngest black belt to this day ever granted in the state of Missouri. She's an intimidator. You saw it last night. The fever, like the Bulls. The Bulls knew what they had. They had to protect their asset. And in both instances, the early Bulls coaches complained about how their star, Michael Jordan, was being treated. And the coach of the Fever, Stephanie White, saying the same thing is, hey, guys, catch up to the players.
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Stephanie White
The game has changed so much. Players are faster, they're better, they're bigger, they're stronger. You know, they're as good as they've ever been. They're as athletic as they've ever been. The game is. Is fast now. Things are happening quickly. Everybody's getting better except the officials. So we got to find a way to remedy it.
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Joy Taylor
Listen, Stan Albrook, Doug Collins, Phil Jackson were constantly lamenting how Michael was officiated. And again, I'm not defending the Connecticut sun, but I. When you can't stop somebody, traps don't work, doubles don't work. Connecticut's like, all right, let's get the physicality route. And by the way, nobody ever stopped Shaq, really. Or Michael or Bird or Magic or Kobe or Duncan or Caitlin Clark or Candace Parker or Serena Williams. The greats just endure. The greats get theirs. But you got to figure out a way to slow them down. I mean, the Pacers tried with sga. It worked a little bit, and now it doesn't, because he's going to get his. So what a night. How much fun. J. Mac with the news.
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Mark Sanchez
No, no, no. Turn on the news.
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Joy Taylor
This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
You know, I don't have any data to back this Up. But you've had this show for what, 20 years? The herd. There's no way you've ever opened with 20 minutes of straight WNBA, ever. That just shows the Caitlin Clark effect. Unbelievable.
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Joy Taylor
I don't have a research to back that up, but I'm gonna go with your right.
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J. Mac
All right, let's go back to a tried and true fellow on the show, and that's Aaron Rodgers. Colin. I mean, hey, when in doubt, Aaron Rodgers, let's talk about him. Interestingly, a new report emerged that Pittsburgh came to the conclusion that George Pickens and Aaron Rodgers would not get along. Well, obviously, Pickens, very immature, had issues in college, and that's why they traded him before Aaron Rodgers even came on board. Now, I'm not saying this is the level of the jets placating Rodgers. Hey, what would you like? Offensive coordinator, wide receiver? Whatever you want, we'll give it to you. But this is starting to show. Hey, Aaron, we're going to do what it takes to get you on board. I don't love it, but let's see if they draw the line at trading pickets.
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Joy Taylor
One of the ways I've always defended Aaron Rodgers is Tom Brady had no interest with immature wide receivers. Go get me Welker, who's in the league Edelman took years to develop. Get me Randy Moss. And Randy Moss, by the way, was no trouble. First couple years in New England and he was like. Like Rain man knowing offense, right? Belichick and Brady both talk about that. I'm going to defend Aaron Rodgers, older quarterback. I don't want to babysit wide receivers. Dak Prescott came in. I defended him. I think privately said, listen, Des is a headache. He's screaming at me on the sidelines. And Des was a touchdown maker. But, Dak, I'm not a babysitter. Brady, I'm not a babysitter. Aaron Rodgers, I'm going to back him 100% here. He doesn't have time to schedule a bad time. As Jerry Jones would say, he doesn't have time for George Pickens to. To mature. Let's go get DK Metcalf, who, by the way, low maintenance, but he's an adult. He's been in the league. So I. I support the Steelers here. I support Aaron Rodgers here. Aaron's going to play one more year. He don't want to spend nine games having to cool this guy off after he doesn't throw it to him on a post route.
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J. Mac
So, Colin, you just brought up an interesting point. So Aaron Rodgers. I don't have time do you think Aaron Rodgers in his head thinks, hey man, I could win a Super bowl or I could compete for a Super bowl with Pittsburgh this year. Do you think he believes that in his head?
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Joy Taylor
I'm never going to try to get into Aaron's head. I think all athletes have supreme confidence and generally have higher regard for their super bowl chances than reality. I think, I think everybody in September, the Atlanta Falcons during camp are going to that coaching staff is going to be telling them, you guys can win it all.
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J. Mac
No, no, that's different. I'm talking about Rogers specifically. He could have walked away from football.
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Joy Taylor
Nobody would have blamed. I think Aaron going at this. Aaron looks at it and thinks, this is easily the best defense I've ever had.
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Caitlin Clark
Easily.
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Joy Taylor
DK Metcalfe, are you to be the most talented receiver I've had? We got a high end, tight end, we've drafted the offense. I mean Frazier's one of the top three centers in the league now from West Virginia. So I think Aaron looks at it and goes, hey, this is going to be like the jets without the chaos. And at the end of the year the jets were pretty interesting when, when they didn't have as much chaos. So I think Aaron's talked himself into we can be real disruptors here and they may be, they could be.
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J. Mac
I think the word you're looking for is Delulu. Delusional. Anyways, let's move on to the Cleveland Browns, Colin, because obviously Shador Sanders, he's the other gift that keeps on giving this summer. Apparently there's a report out that Shedeur has been outstanding in the building despite all those pre draft concerns. Further reports indicate that the future hall of Fame quarterback Shador Sanders hasn't worked with any first team offense in practices attended by the media, but that he has made the most of his reps with the reserves and has elevated players in his time under center. I'll let you take this one, big fella.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah, I think he'll be fine. I would say Shador's a little sillier than I'd love his personality. It's a little silly sometimes. That's not my cup of tea. I like serious people, serious quarterbacks. I like Jalen. I've told you before, Jalen Hurts is the perfect personality to be a quarterback. I swear to God, he's got a briefcase, he's an accountant. You'd think he owns the team. I like that stoicism for quarterback. I don't want highly emotional sometimes. I think Shador's a little silly sometimes. It shows his age. But I think he's going to be fine. I don't think he's disrespectful, disruptive. There's a big difference between being disruptive. Johnny Manziel was disruptive. Sometimes Cam could be a little over the top and just being a little silly. I think. I think he needs to grow up a little bit. I thought the legendary draft room. It's like, bro, have some self awareness. This is not a good look. You come from wealth. Nobody wants to see this. But I don't think he's a disruptive force. I don't think it. Colorado.
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J. Mac
I don't think anything. Yeah. This points. Ultimately the finger more at Dion is the reason he's. That Shador dropped because Dion kept saying stuff as opposed to anything Shedeur did. Right. It's kind of unfair, but maybe he'll make the most of it. Final story. Collins to the NBA where the Pacers are going to try to force a Game seven by winning tomorrow night. It's so weird that this series has extra days off all over the place. We're still waiting on word from Tyrese. Halliburton's MRI on his calf strain. Rick Carlisle says he'll be a game time decision. Miles Turner says the series is far from over.
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Joy Taylor
He did.
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J. Mac
He did say that. I'm curious, do you think it's far from over?
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Joy Taylor
No, I think once Halliburton got hurt, it's done. Yeah, I think that's fine. What are they? A six. But what is the line, by the way? Six.
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J. Mac
Seven and a half right now?
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. I think Oklahoma City's probably the bet tonight at six and a half. I think it's. I think Indiana is going to give you a great home punch. I think they're going to play their butt off. Carlisle's a great coach, but there are limitations to what they can do. I mean, you got to play McConnell a ton in this game because he's our best ball handler arguably. I mean, Turner. And you can see Oklahoma City's defense without Halliburton on the floor is. It feels like it's another level of disruptive. We kept saying in the first part of this series, the first four games, Indiana's getting their looks. Have you noticed at the end last game and the end of the previous game When Halliburton's not 100%, it's totally disruptive. If they don't have. If you didn't have Magic Johnson, nothing against Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, if you were pressing the Lakers, Magic make It all. Magic made it okay. You couldn't press the Lakers too much because of Magic. He would burn you. Halliburton burns you. You take him out. OKC coaches more aggressively. It's like a quarterback that doesn't read the blitz. Brady, Brady, you can't blitz Mahomes, you can't blitz rookie quarterbacks. You blitz more because they can't handle it.
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J. Mac
So you think, let's say Halliburton's out. You think the move is to start McConnell.
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Joy Taylor
I think he is able to ensure a certain tempo. I think there's. He will not turn the ball over. He is probably as good a ball handler as they have off Halliburton. Because just think what OKC is thinking. They're looking at that last game and they're liking and they're thinking we totally took the Pacers out of their game when Halliburton wasn't on the floor. Well, Halliburton's not going to be on the floor. You're going to go right back to that. OKC is going to be hyper aggressive. Let's seize the moment. It's like we were a boxer and all of a sudden there's a flurry and the guys on the ropes, you get hyper aggressive to finish it. Oklahoma City wants to finish this final in the first quarter. They want to take the crowd out of it. They want to take. I mean, because that crowd there is something else. So that's OKC's game plan. Let's eight minutes into the game, we want the crowd to be out of it.
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J. Mac
A non factor. So McConnell is like the fan favorite. He checks into the game and gets like a standing ovation. I would bring him off the bench. I would start Ben Mather, Colin. I. I know it's a little off the board. I think Nemhardt can handle point guard, bringing the ball up duties. And you need a scorer because without Halliburton scoring, they're falling behind by 20. I think Mather and could start, give you 20 and then you still get the McConnell pop off the bench. And I would much like prefer McConnell facing backups than facing those starters. Like, I don't want to see Lou Dort on TJ McConnell that I like McConnell. That ain't going to be pretty.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah, I think it's a competitive game though. I think Indiana's too prideful, too well coached, too many good levers to pull. But I, I think no Halliburton against that defense is trouble. That, that's. That is trouble. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. I don't if you went back to every in my entire career of talking about LeBron James and let's say there have been, I mean, a thousand segments, I think I've been positive on 900, maybe 975. But he did something the other day and I think my job. Your job, if you do this for a living, we got to call people out and I gotta call LeBron out for something, and I don't do it very much. I called him out a lot his first year in la, when he seemed to be more fascinated with business lunches and business deals than basketball. That's probably the hardest I ever was, but. And he doesn't care either way. But he did something recently and it's like, time out. Time out. You're projecting timeout. I'll get to that in a second. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
Good, good. Good night. Tomorrow, NBA Team USA. You know what? I know it's June J. Mac. We're getting good sports. There's a lot to talk about. So I think I'm overwhelmingly positive with LeBron. I think most of the greats of all time, very positive with but but there are times where he kind of plays the victim. I think he spends too much time on his phone sometimes. But here's a prime example. So he has a podcast called Mind the Game with Steve Nash. Now, it used to be with J.J. redick, and he said something and it just. It's just projecting. And so let's. Let's go to the clip.
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Mark Sanchez
I don't know why I was discussed so much in our sport. And why is the A all be all of everything? Like, okay, you weren't a great player if you never won a championship. It's like you sit here and tell me, you know, Allen Iverson and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know, our wasn't unbelievable. Like, oh, they can't be talked about or discussed with these guys because this guy won one ring or won two rings or one. Like, it's just. It's just weird to me.
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Joy Taylor
Okay? Nobody says Charles Barkley's not amazing. Nobody says Allen Iverson's not amazing. Nobody says Dan Marino's not amazing. But Barkley is an mj and Marino's not Brady, even though he was more talented. And the reason is the trophies. And LeBron knows that. LeBron has no chance to win a trophy with the current Laker roster. So now they don't matter. He spent his entire career pursuing titles. You think he went to Miami to land the beach? He went there for Riley and Spoelstra and a better owner and a better roster. He didn't go west. He stayed in the weak east to keep getting to finals. LeBron pursued finals and Michael. Six for six. For years he's talked about idolizing Michael. What's the stat? What stat do we talk about with Michael? If I said to you, how many total points did Michael score? You don't know. How many division titles did Michael win? You don't know. How do you do in the finals? Six for six. That's his number, right? That's his number. And so. And he's been doing this for years, playing this angle. It's projecting its straw man arguments. And I love LeBron.
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Colin Cowherd
I really do.
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Joy Taylor
I like the people around LeBron. But let's go back to years ago. So LeBron's saying the rings are overrated. No, they're not. And nobody's saying you have to have them to be great to. To be the all time great. You gotta have them. So here's LeBron with another guy like Rich Paul on More Than an Athlete podcast. This was after he had won that ring, the only one In Cleveland.
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Mark Sanchez
That one right there made me the greatest player of all time. I was super, super ecstatic to win one for Cleveland because of the 52 year drought. Like, I was ecstatic. Like, obviously I showed that. The first wave of emotion was once y' all, everyone saw me crying. Like, that was all for 52 years. Everything, sports going on in Cleveland. And then after I stopped, I was like, that one right there made you the greatest player of all time.
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Joy Taylor
Well, wait, why would that be? I mean, it was just another game, right? It was just another win. I mean, why would that take you from great to the greatest player of all time? Oh, the ring. So back when he was, he knew he had a chance to win several more. The ring mattered because he was still back then, hey, can he surpass Michael and get the 6, 7, 8 now? He can't now. Rings don't matter. Rings absolutely are the difference. Dan Marino was bigger, stronger and more talented than Brady. Brady got the trophies. That's the difference. Favre was more athletically talented than Brady. Brady got the trophies. Aaron's probably more gifted. Josh Allen is. Brady's got the trophies. Nobody's saying that Marino or Josh Allen aren't talented. I think Josh Allen's the most talented football player in the world. But Mahomes has the trophies and we can contextualize it. Why they matter. I'm not a huge Brock Purdy fan, but if he had two trophies, I'd have to acknowledge he's a different player. He's just better than I think. So it does matter. And Michael and, and LeBron knows it matters. He himself is saying, yeah, when I won that, that final that took me from best player in the league, maybe greatest of all time to greatest of all time. Just that ring. So that, let's not create straw man arguments. We all know the greatest quarterbacks of all time and a couple of them have no Super Bowls or one.
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Colin Cowherd
Right, right.
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Joy Taylor
But you, you talk the all time greatest. It's Peyton and it's Brady and it's Montana. Montana was a third round pick, third or fourth. He wasn't the most talented guy. Some of it was Bill Walsh and Jerry Rice. It doesn't matter. You get him. We, I mean, Eli Manning was never a good regular season quarterback. He's going to get into the hall of Fame because he beat Brady and Belichick twice in Super Bowls and made two of the most iconic throws. Otherwise, how many Pro Bowls, how many great regular. See the difference between Philip Rivers, a really good regular season quarterback, and Eli Manning? Not so hot. But two rings is the trophies, so it obviously matters. I got so many. I want to go back because I, I, I got some Dodgers Padre. That's that series is that series, that Dodger Padre series. It is nuts. I'm going to talk about it top of the hour. And also Lamar Jackson wants to get more money, which I, which I'm not bothered by. But J. Mack, let, let's. I want to talk about, I want to go back for a couple minutes to Caitlin Clark. And so one of the things that I think makes America really special, the Dodgers recently had a national anthem singer decide, you know, during the ice raids, I'm going to do my version of it. Not, not our, the American version of it. And, and, and it was dissent on display. And whether you agree with that or not, it's allowed. The next day she woke up and it's fine and she's not being placed in a prison or worse. What makes America great is the discomfort that is allowed and the dissension and the protests. Saturday, my daughter and I were in downtown Chicago. There was a Palestinian rally, there was a no King rally. I mean, it was organized, it was four hours. A little bit disruptive. The traffic downtown, not, not walk or workflow, but a little disruptive. But the great thing about this country is dissent is not only possible, it's often encouraged. And in sports, we don't have that level of dissent.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Joy Taylor
The leagues control stuff, but we do see things in real time. And often one of the truest observations of this or illustrations of this is when you get a star into a league and the employee slash, the athletes don't like how they're treated and don't like how they're changing the direction of the league. So Michael Jordan made the NBA Global, and Gretzky won eight straight MVPs. And what happens, by the way? Muhammad Ali, my dad didn't like him. He liked Frazier. I was Ali. Caitlin Clark is essential. The Caitlin Clarks, the Michael Jordans, the Christian Pulisic saying, I'm not going to go and play. It is essential to American sports. These disruptive figures who just don't always either tow the company line for the gm, for the. It drives us crazy. Dissent drives us crazy. But Caitlin Clark is basically saying, yeah, I'm going to score, I'm going to change the tempo, I'm going to do a little trash talking, I'm going to have my tongue out. And here come the rivals, here comes retaliation. And this is essential for the growth of this league.
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Stephanie White
It's Weird.
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J. Mac
I mean, I kind of agree with that. But, Colin, I don't think it's anything Caitlin Clark's doing that has everybody jealous and angry about her in the league. I think it's that the league says we've been playing basketball. This league's been around for 20 years. We've been here forever. Why is the media. Why are you guys only now showing up with microphones in our face? Because of Caitlin Clark. Well, I think a lot of this is media driven. Like players are angry seeing Caitlin Clark highlights all over social media.
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Joy Taylor
You know what? You never had a Moses Malone fan club. Why? Because he scored on layups under the basket. Stylistically, Moses Malone was a dominant player, but he wasn't a polarizing player. He didn't create animosity.
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J. Mac
Do you remember?
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Joy Taylor
Because style, yeah. Stylistically, Curry got attention, Michael got attention, Magic got attention. Caitlin's getting attention. The style does matter. It's not just point. Moses, Carl Malone, boring. Moses Malone, great, but boring. They didn't create that kind of uproar. When your style is flashy and can humiliate other players, that's when it gets personal. That's when you send the bullies after them to send a message. And I do think Kaitlin's style is it rubs people sometimes the wrong way. I love it. You love it.
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Colin Cowherd
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