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Colin Cowherd
More at applecard.com thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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LeVar Arrington
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. All right, here we go on a Thursday, Rams, Niners, big one. Tonight, live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Big show today. Greg Cosell, one hour from now, customary on Thursdays, if you love football, fantasy football, bet on football. Want to get smarter at football? Greg Cosell, one hour. Dan Lanning, coach of the Oregon Ducks, is joining us as well. I think they got hosed to the 12 team playoff, but you know, they get to watch Tennessee and Ohio State go to battle, which will be an unbelievable first round game. I'm not sure who I like in that game. J. Mac so yesterday at the end of our show, the reports came out that Belichick and Carolina were getting close. It's official. So Bill Belichick's the coach of Carolina. We both love college football. So it's another talking point. So I'm, you know, I'm going to talk more college football and I love that. Fascinating this morning though, Seth Wickersham is a first ballot hall of Fame writer and reporter for espn. He has got a behind the scenes story over the last year on Belichick. Go read it. Seth Wickersham, tremendous. And he talks about, you know, Belichick would meet with Matt Patricia, he would meet with Mike Lombardi who he just hired at Carolina. I know Mike a little bit. And they would meet, go on zoom calls and talk about the NFL and what's coming open and that, you know, Belichick kind of got disgusted by the NFL and that nobody was really interested. Now he did think the Bears was the best job opening this year, I agree, I think, but he didn't think they'd hire him. The New York Giants job he would take, but he thinks Brian Dabel is a good coach. So do I and will retain the job he would never do. The Jets, Jacksonville, wasn't happening. So here we go. The story is fascinating and my takeaway on reading this is kind of the same with a lot more illumination is that you know what, when you keep doors shut on people for 20 years, don't be surprised that when the doors open, there's not a lot of people there with open arms for you. Tom Brady and Belichick, 20 years, never went to dinner. Tom Brady's documentary. His then wife Gisele pleading, would you please show Tom respect? Relationships more than ever matter in the NFL. It's not just iq, it's IQ and eq. And I think Belichick clearly, preferably would not want the ACC's fourth best football job. But that's all that was out there. The NFL is much more collaborative today. It's much more Sean McVeigh than do your job. It's us, not me. Doors were closed. The Athletic also excellent reporting this morning on why Belichick abandoned hope of landing NFL jobs. One executive said he burned a lot of bridges. Another said people would be concerned about the culture he would create in the building. Again, Belichick leaned in to his terse nature, his rigidity, his cutthroat personality. And you're not going to change the perception because you take a TV job for a year, smile more occasionally, laugh and make us all believe it's all rainbows and sunshine. People know what Bill is. We know what Bill is. Bill knows what Bill is. And Caroline is like, we'll roll the dice of it. So, and again, I love college football. I hope it works. I'm not rooting for it not to work. But again, if you act a certain way for a long time, you're going to meet a lot of the people you burned on the way down. And there's no job openings. People are not interested. And let's be honest, the NFL doesn't need anybody. Drew Brees retired. Brady retired. Peyton Manning retired. You know what happened to the ratings? They went up. This is not a league to toy with. They don't need TV networks now. They've got streamers to the long standing networks. Are they necessary? Thank God they've all got 10, 11 year deals starting this year. But the league doesn't need anybody. This is not the NBA where your ratings hinge on an MJ or a Shaq. This is not golf, where your economy, your ecosystem largely hinges on like the Masters or Tiger Woods. That's not what the NFL is. And Bill was perpetually difficult, perpetually dismissive of opinions that didn't align with his. And guess what? He's going to have a place in Canton. It's a first ballot decision. He is widely respected as the greatest defensive coach of all time. But the Patriots are three and two right now. And at this time last year they were 3 and 10 with Belichick 3 and 10 now 3 and 10 now 3 and 10 last year with Belichick, he'll go to Canton, and he deserves it. But it's a different league. It's a league that waits for nobody. It's a league that doesn't need anybody. Mahomes, in nine years, retires. There'll be another crop of superstar quarterbacks. They can certainly do without a great coach. At 72, there were no doors open. It's not all the NFL's fault. Bill closed a lot of those doors. Again, the Seth Wickersham article. Must read. Lot of great intel. Now, here is something I actually think, and I. This is fascinating. So Mike Lombardi, who is now a media person, has been hired by Belichick to be his gm. Now, I've had multiple conversations with athletic directors in the last nine to 12 months. This is the future of college football. General managers. In fact, I met with Jen Cohen at usc. We had a long lunch over this. This is the future of the sport. And so Belichick sees that and is hiring Mike Lombardi, an ally, a confidant for years, to be his gm. And it's a. I mean, it's full NFL. They're not even masquerading that it's college. They're not even trying to fool anybody. This is the NFL. And here is Lombardi yesterday talking about his job. Now, with Belichick in Chapel Hill, we're going to build a pro personnel department. And that pro personnel department really will be the transfer portal. So that will be what we build there to monitor all the college teams, whether it's in the acc, the Big Ten, the Southeast Conference or in any conference. Right. The new Pac 12. So you have to monitor all the players just like you would in pro football. And then obviously you'll have a director of college scouting, but that. I will be the director of high school scouting and monitor all the high schools. Okay, so that. That is the future. Now, how well will Belichick do? Well, it should be noted. Indiana, a basketball school, Arizona State and a baseball school, at least it was for years. And SMU just made the playoff, so Belichick can compete. And he also has a personnel guy. So I don't think Belichick is the perfect personality fit, but I think, like coaching and personnel, he'll be fine. Now, Lombardi, who I know a little, and Belichick are terse. They're outspoken, they can be curt. They're very direct. That will rub a lot of people on a college campus the wrong way. They will have no interest going to galas with the other coaches in the athletic department. They are pros. They're going to come in with a certain arrogance and belief and they don't care about your volleyball program or your swim program. They don't care. And there's a lot of high maintenance and needy coaching and overmatched administrators at the college level. So I don't think it's going to be a coaching issue with Bill. He'll be great. I don't think it's going to be a personnel issue. Mike Lombardi will do fine. But dealing with donors in this ever fluid collective, nil. Here's the thing. Bill loves structure. College football doesn't have any. It used to have some. Now it's got very little. So what Bill's doing, if you watch this move with Lombardi, he's bringing in structure. We're going to run a pro football operation and again, it's going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. The personality with Lombardi and Belichick, that's going to be interesting. The football and the players. The collective by North Carolina reportedly is going from 4 million, which is laughable, to 18 to 20 million. So they'll get players, but I'm rooting for it. I love the sport. It's another talking point. But there will be clashes. I think it will start, it'll be fun. And it's the headlines, it's powder blue. It's going to look nice and there will be, there will be feathers ruffled on that campus. And I can't wait. And I'll listen. I have a graphic. Here's North Carolina's schedule next year. And again, they've got players Mack Brown could recruit. I mean, their road games are Cal and Wake Forest and Charlotte and Syracuse. You know, we're not talking the AFC west or the NFC North. Their home games, Stanford, Duke, Virginia, like an academic all star roster. Richmond, Clemson. So there's no reason why Bill Belichick could not peel off a 10 and 1. I would not be surprised by that at all. If they can get quarterback just solid, there's. I don't worry at all about the coaching or the personnel. They're ramping up the club. That's not it. And I think for a year you'll look at it and go, oh, it is humming. But we got pictures here, Bill and Chapel Hill. Listen, he's got a new girlfriend. It's younger. He's exciting, excited. It's a college campus. It could, you know, maybe he is going to be turning a new leaf. It's gregarious and joyful, Bill, but The football coaching's fine. The personality fit with Lombardi is going to be really interesting. It's like Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame. Charlie Weiss, the schemes were fine. He wore everybody out. You know, Charlie wore people out. The schemes were smart. That wasn't the issue. J. Mac, I love. I love doing this job. It's so much fun. All I thought about last night is Nick Wright said it to me yesterday. Can you imagine Bill Belichick in the Pop Tart Bowl? It will look different.
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Jason McIntyre
He's not going to the Pop Tart. You saw that schedule right there. Come on, they could go to 10 or 11 wins. Why not? By the way, you mentioned it's going to be rocky. There's going to be problems. You know who else had some problems and some rocky stuff happen? Deion Sanders.
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LeVar Arrington
Okay.
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Jason McIntyre
He had, I'm looking here, three years of coaching at Jackson State. That's it. He goes to Colorado. They start hot finish four and eight. Oh, Deion, he can't hang. They're going to get blasted nine and three this year.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, now. So let's be fair. If Carolina is bumpy to start and I don't think they will be, the schedule is easy, the conference is bad.
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Jason McIntyre
And Bills are happens with the portal. They got to get a quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
But again, Bill will be able to win without great talent. He spent a lot of his dynasty in New England having the second, third best roster in the afc. Bills won with less talent. So again, this is. It's not a terrible fit from there. He will not have as much talent. If he goes into a playoff as Texas, Oregon, Georgia, he's not going to have that. And I think we all have to be fair. I have to be fair. I'm rooting for it, not against it. I have. I don't think it's a great fit. I think this is a. Nobody's interested in the NFL. I think his ideal. I think Bill would rather be coaching the Chicago Bears next year and the. And the New York Giants next year.
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Jason McIntyre
What evidence is there of that?
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Colin Cowherd
Seth Wickersham's article is that. Well, I. Seth Wickersham, I trust he is great. So his articles, basically, Bill wanted NFL jobs, but they weren't interested in him and he got disgusted by the league. And my take is the league is fine.
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Jason McIntyre
You don't think he's disgusted like Kevin Warren and Ryan polls who haven't done jack squat. They're the ones saying, I don't know about Belichick. I would be disgusted too. Wouldn't you? I mean, that's that's, that's. The Atlanta Falcons were like, I don't know about this Belichick guy. The Atlanta Falcons would never won anything. Those guys in the front office, look at their record. They haven't done anything well. And Belichick is the most accomplished coach in NFL history.
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Colin Cowherd
You're not contextualizing it. He wants total control and his personnel decisions are awful. Remember, it's very. No, it's. Remember, Bobby Knight as he age, wouldn't recruit. So if you hire Bobby Knight, oh, he's the most accomplished coach. When he leaves, you have no players. They have no players in New England. So when you hire Lane Kiffin, you may not love his personality, but if he leaves, you are left with a stacked roster. If Sark doesn't work at Texas, you're left with a stacked roster. When Bobby Knight left school down in Texas, they have no players as he wanted to give the job to his son because he refused to do things that you have to do. It's a young man's game. So when you hire these legends, be very careful. College athletic is a young man's game. I always said this. If you're going to roll the dice on a coach, get a young, great recruiter. Oklahoma did this years ago. They hired a guy I think was John Blake. And John didn't work as a coach, but he was a tremendous recruiter. Year two, Bob Stoops went to Natty with tons of NFL guys. You hire older coaches who don't, aren't, aren't going to play any games if it doesn't work. It's a three year rebuild to get players because they're not going to outbid Georgia, Florida State, SEC schools for players.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I would largely agree with that, but this whole, like, doesn't recruit thing, the game has changed. It's no less about recruiting. I had a guy on my podcast, former quarterback at Arizona State, who said, listen, there's offensive linemen out there who are like, oh, this team wants me, this team wants me. I don't even know where these schools are on a map, but they were offering $500,000. I'm going there. Like, that's where we are. And it's less about recruiting, more about, show me the money, show me the.
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Colin Cowherd
Remember, most schools have, like, the big schools have 16 to 18 million. The quarterback increasingly is taking 4 to 5. So you don't just have the ability to buy a roster. You have to recruit. At least 60 to 70% of your roster has to be high schoolers. The other thing is Brian Kelly, who is a better college coach today than Bill Belichick has proven to be. He's a better college coach. He's finding out. When you go buy a roster, your chemistry is brutal.
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Jason McIntyre
You got to buy the right guys.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, again, there is no perfect guy for the perfect program. Lincoln Riley's finding out and Brian Kelly. Successful college coaches. This is what they do. You can't just buy a roster. You can't. You have to have foundational high school connections.
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Jason McIntyre
How's this better shot at the playoff next year? Lincoln Riley or Bill Belichick?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Belichick is in a much easier conference. I mean, the ACC is Clemson and. Nonsense. I mean, that's.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm in Vegas. I'll see what the odds are on Belichick making.
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Colin Cowherd
Look at. Look at. Look at Carolina's schedule.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't even know Carolina's roster now. And I could tell you that's. That's 10 wins right there.
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Colin Cowherd
At Syracuse and home against Clemson are tough games. Okay, that's it.
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Jason McIntyre
ACC football, it's back, baby.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I'll watch it. You made a Raycom sports reference yesterday.
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Jason McIntyre
That's so classic.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm watching it.
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Jordan Schultz
Hell, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not rooting against him. We want more topics like Caitlin Clark saved us in August. Are you kidding me? Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app.
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Jordan Schultz
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Doug Gottlieb
This is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb. Hey, I'm gonna talk to you about something that's really serious for a minute. Something personal right now. In our country, hate feels like it's at an all time high and we're going backwards and the hate is winning. It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate and it's just enough. We need to stop and regroup, change the momentum as a team. Because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team, so let's act like it. And when a team can't get together, what do they do? They call a timeout. We need to take a timeout against hate. So let's think about what we say and do. And when we see hate and we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong or hateful, we need to call it out. Visit standuptoallhate.org or join me in calling for the timeout against hate by following at WhatsApp with hate or posting the blue square emoji.
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Colin Cowherd
You're now entering the no Bull Zone, sponsored by Credible Great rates. None of the bulb as Belichick was signing that deal with Carolina, it made me think of Andy Reid, who has aged very, very well. And I don't think he's going to end his career with a job in the acc. Andy Reid, as you recall, got fired in Philadelphia and had a job four days later in Kansas City. And there were multiple NFL suitors. Andy Reid's coaching tree is much superior to Belichick's. He's been to a Super bowl in both conferences. He's won with multiple quarterbacks and styles. The league's been trending in his direction finally, for years. And here's what's amazing, how undervalued Andy Reid is. Andy Reid only needs six more playoff wins. That's it. To surpass Belichick. I bet you didn't know that. That's how good he is. Belichick had a 20 year run. How many years has Andy had? Mahomes? Five. Andy, by the way, five. And one in the regular season as a Chiefs coach against Belichick. But if Mahomes and Andy Reid stay together just two to three more seasons, he will surpass Belichick in all time wins and all time playoff wins, I would imagine. And so I think Belichick looks at that and I'm not sure he thinks he's going to have some Don Shuler record for long anyway. And I and I've said this is that I think one of the reasons I call Bill Parcels the greatest one of the greatest coaches of all time, Bill won with multiple quarterbacks. Bill won immediately with multiple owners, overnight. Like he walked into dumpster fires and the Next year they were good. Urban Meyers done this in college. Parcels does this in the NFL. And this is not a shot at Belichick. But Belichick five years in Cleveland, four losing seasons. The year in New England pre Brady losing season. The two years after Brady left losing seasons. Belichick never won without Parcels or Brady. Andy wins with everybody. And I mean so I mean Andy Reid was getting to conference championships in the NFC when other teams were stacked and he was doing it with B and B plus quarterbacks. So Andy Reid's career is not beholden to one coach or one player. And I, and I, and I've said this before, if the NFL would have been forthright and honest about CTE concerns 20 years ago and written a check and made the league safer 20 years ago to the level it's safe now, then Andy Reid would be Belichick. Belichick was very fortunate that he got a great generational quarterback pretty early in his career and Andy had to wait 20 years. That is not to say that Belichick isn't right now viewed the greatest all time coach. He deserves all the roses for that. But it is interesting when he got this job, I thought it's a, it's remarkable how few years Andy Reid needs to keep winning to surpass him. That's how great he's been. He just got his generational quarterback. So Nick Wright earlier this week on Belichick leaving the NFL for college and Andy Reid potentially passing him on that wins list. Even if you go get that record, are you just holding it for a year for Andy Reid? And I know people like oh Nick, you're a Chiefs guy. Here are the numbers. He's going to end this season right around 300. If he's at 296 right now, he'll be 47 away from Shula himself. That means three great years or four mediocre years. So how important is that all time coaching record if you actually only hold it for 12 months before Andy Reid comes blows past you? I think there's real legitimacy. I think Seth Wickersham pointed out in the article, but I think Nick makes a great point is if Andy's health holds up, cross your fingers there and he's going to end up the all time winning as coach and he's won with a multitude of C, B and A plus quarterbacks in both conferences. And it's why it's so easy for me to root for Kansas City as they dominate the league. I never rooted against New England. I thought they were smarter Than everybody. I think I feel the same way about Kansas City. Now, J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the her headline news.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, so we've been tracking this Eagles drama all week, Jalen Hurts vs. A.J. brown, courtesy of Brandon Graham's comments on our radio show in Philly. Well, Hertz and Brown both addressed the situation yesterday. They claim everything's good.
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LeVar Arrington
Me and Jay are good. So it's bg, guys. So everybody loves bg.
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Colin Cowherd
They perceive what I said about passing and felt like it was an attack on Jalen, and I think that's what he did.
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LeVar Arrington
You know, me and Jalen relationship was personal.
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Colin Cowherd
He knows I had a lot of love for him, just like I got a lot of love for all these guys. And ultimately, you know, he's a guy that. He's a guy that's a competitor. You know, he wants to win. He damn sure wants the ball, and he wants to make an impact in the game, and I respect that. You know, and that's just like all of us. Yeah, it used to be that if you won, that would pretty much be the end of it. But, you know, I get it. Receivers want theirs. I understand you're out on the perimeter. You sometimes feel disconnected from the unit first out of the huddle. So I get it. But I will say the Eagles staff, off a buy, told you what they believe the offense is about 20 pass attempts, heavy doses of Saquon Barkley running, and a handful half dozen shots down the field to A.J. brown. That's what the staff told you in the bye week. Because in the bye week, you self scout. So in bye weeks in the NFL, what do teams do? Well, they get healthy. No, they don't. The coaches self scout how would we beat us. And what the Eagles found is when we asked jalen to throw 32 times, we make mistakes, often giving teams our opponents easier, better field position. So Philadelphia self scouted and said, when we throw 18 to 20 times, nobody is beating us because we eliminate the mistakes.
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Jason McIntyre
I know this is going to sound defensive of Hertz, but he is on his third offensive coordinator, I believe, in three years.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Jason McIntyre
Steichen, the disaster last year, and now Kellen Moore. So, yeah, there were some hiccups early. He had some bad turnovers. That Saints game, I remember betting the Eagles in that one. And Hertz was.
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Colin Cowherd
Mark Sanjay showed us yesterday. A.J. brown's open, like by a lot, and he doesn't get the ball to it.
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Jason McIntyre
And the numbers say when you get the ball to A.J.
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Colin Cowherd
Brown, they win, they win.
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Jason McIntyre
If he's out of the lineup, they ain't winning. So this has to be fixed. I don't know. There's still a lot of acrimony. Remember, I lived outside of Philadelphia?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
I still talked to a bunch of buddies. They're not universally on board with Jalen hurts. It's weird. They don't think he's awesome.
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Colin Cowherd
Well. And I'm just like, he's not Mat Stafford from the pocket. He's not.
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Jason McIntyre
No, no, no. Not burrow in that class. But his legs make him, I believe, one of the top five, six quarterbacks in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
I'd go closer to eight, nine. But yeah, I think he's a very dangerous player.
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Jason McIntyre
One thing to watch this week. So he wins with his legs a lot. Well, you know whose faces Lamar Jackson twice a year is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're not going to be surprised by any Jalen hurts stuff. So this is a. This is a big game, I think, for Hertz. Yeah, I think we'll talk about that more a little more tomorrow. Next up, Colin, is the lucky Kansas City Chiefs. Luckiest team in the NFL. You love when I say that. But how about this? Casey is set to play three games over the next 11 days. And Patrick Mahomes, he's not thrilled about that.
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Colin Cowherd
It's not like a good feeling. I mean, I'm excited to play on Christmas to hopefully get back from what we did last year, but you never want to play this many amount of games in this short of time. It's just not great for your body. But. But at the end of the day, it's your job, your profession. You have to come to work and do it. Yeah, this before the season started, I think we both discussed this. This is kind of a ridiculous schedule for Kansas City based on the fact they have Mahomes. And this is the downside to being the Cowboys or the Chiefs or the Patriots in their dynasty. And I don't like when the league does this. Is that Aaron Rodgers first five or six games this year with the Jets? It's Sunday, it's Monday, it's Thursday. I don't love you get punished in the NFL for being scintillating. So this is. I don't think this is fair. I don't like it. I think players get more injured when they're fatigued. And this is a really, really rough slate for Kansas City.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, let's listen. Christmas Day, obviously, last year, the success of the NFL on Christmas was huge. So they wanted to crowbar another game the problem is Christmas is on a Wednesday. You're making guys play on a Wednesday. Colin. So this week they play Sunday, then it's Saturday against the Texans. Then it's Christmas Day Wednesday against the Steelers. Remember that stat? I think we unearthed it in the preseason. The Chiefs are the team in the league that I believe plays on every day of the week except Tuesday or Tuesday.
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Colin Cowherd
Tuesday. It was Tuesday.
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Jason McIntyre
That's not right. Come on. They're kind of shafted for people.
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Colin Cowherd
For years and years when Eli Manning was playing for the Giants, they were always complaining. We're on Sunday night all the time. It ruins. You know, coaches love structure and consistency and by the way, players love that. Like Stafford has a way of doing business. So, you know, this is. I got nothing against Netflix. They'll do a great job. And the Amazon schedule tonight, again, great. I got, I, I think the more the merrier. I think it benefits all of us, the rising tide for all the networks. But it is, they, it is, it is tough on the dominant, more scintillating teams that are forced to play uneven schedules.
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Jason McIntyre
So I'm looking at the injury report and this is worth monitoring. This D.J. humphries, remember they picked him up.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
He was going to be the savior at left tackle. He got hurt. I think it was fourth quarter and he's not practicing yet this week. We'll see today, but that's not great against Myles Garrett.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Of the Browns followed by the Texans. Have a pretty good pass rush with the young kid at Alabama. And then the Steelers have Watts. So if the Chiefs aren't healthy, I'm not saying three game losing streak. What are they going in these three games? Colin, if you can go.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what I think if you go 2 and 1 and are healthy, you take it today. Just you're going to keep the number one seed. I think you're really thinking about health like Noah Gray. We're going to lean on you in that second game, Travis. The first and third game in 11 days. The second game, Noah, you're going to get 70% of the snaps. I think that's what you have to do.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, I smell a one and two. We'll see. Final story, Colin. So the NBA last night had an NBA cup game between the warriors and Rockets. And if you watch, if you're watching here on FS1, there's a scramble for the ball and with seconds left in the game, they call a loose ball foul on Jonathan Kamingos.
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Colin Cowherd
That's insane.
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Jason McIntyre
And Steve Kerr lost his mind. Steve Kerr went ballistic. Here he is after the game.
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Colin Cowherd
You've established you're just not going to call anything throughout the game. It's physical game. We're going to call it a loose ball foul on a jump ball situation with guys diving on the floor with a game on the line. This is a billion dollar industry. You got people's jobs on the line. I'm pissed off. I wanted to go to Las Vegas. We wanted to win this cup. We aren't going because of a loose ball foul. 80ft from the basket with the game on the line. I've never seen anything like it in my life and that was ridiculous. Thank you. For the record, I'm not a fan of complaining about officiating. That was a horrendous call. You do not call that ever a loose. That's a jump ball. You don't call that in that moment. That's just not. That is not a legitimate. And the NBA's got a lot of young refs and they've had a rough couple of years. I was just talking to a friend of mine, Ryan Rossillo the other day about this. He's been on the forefront of those discussions. That's just a bad call that you got a jump ball.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
If you know what it's like, calling it would be going. And let's say it's not analogous perfectly, but a big divisional rival NFL game tonight, Rams play the 49ers and it's a, you know, it's seven, it's 27, 27. And it's a jump ball and a lot of contact in the end zone. Both receiver and corner. Throwing a flag on the last play and giving the team a walk off field goal. If there's all sorts of contact, you don't unless it's an egregious push by the receiver or the corner, you step away, they're both handsy and you go to ot. That's a decision by a ref that decides an outcome. Yeah, I mean you play enough hoops now, you would never get on the ball ground for a loose ball.
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Jason McIntyre
But we lost a championship game like four weeks ago on a loose ball with 10 seconds left and the guy made the free throws. We lost. But the Rockets are. They're interesting. And do you see the score of this game, Colin? It ended up 91 90. Okay. For all this talk about the NBA and three pointers and offense and no defense, this NBA cup game, they were locked out. This was a physical, tough game. Felt like an NBA Finals game. I know people are down on the NBA whatever. I don't really care. I think this was. I thought this was great theater and this Rockets team is super interesting. Keep an eye on the Warriors Slip sliding down the standings there. Not looking good for Golden State, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
They're not a championship team. J Mac with the news well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie New Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, lucky to have him on Jordan Schultz, NFL Insider on Speak after our show today and after first things first. So let's start with this. You were on the forefront of this story, Belichick to Carolina. I saw Seth Wickersham today. Said he thought the jets was the best job and he was interested in Jacksonville. Non starter with the Jets. I'm not sure who wants that job, but are you surprised he took a 23rd best college football job in the country?
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LeVar Arrington
I was surprised originally, Colin, when he took the interview. But then it became less surprising as his, I would say, appetite from NFL teams was not what he thought it would be. I. I don't believe that Belichick assumed going into this cycle that he wouldn't have the pick of his litter. Now, last year, the only team that showed tangible interest was the Atlanta Falcons. They got pretty far down the line. Arthur Blank liked him. But ultimately, Bill was never willing to really cease control. Even though he told Atlanta, I I'm okay giving some of the personnel to someone else. I don't really believe. And NFL teams don't believe that's right. That he was willing to go down that route. So as the market started to materialize, or lack thereof, it became clear to Bill that I need to take the most secure position I can right now, bring my staff, whether it's Michael Lombardi, maybe it's Matt Patricia, Joe Judge, because NFL teams weren't going for that. They didn't want to bring in Matt Patricia. They didn't want to bring in Josh McDaniels. So all due respect to Bill, the greatest coach of all time at 72, 73 years old, the market was simply not what he thought it would be.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's interesting because that to me means Mike Vrabel.
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LeVar Arrington
Yep, there you go.
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Colin Cowherd
Is the number one choice for Chicago and the jets and Jacksonville. My question is, are those jobs good enough for Vrabel?
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LeVar Arrington
So I think Bill was right when he thought that Jacksonville could be a good job because the owner would allow you a lot of control. Now, I don't believe they're going to move on from Trent Balke, the gm. I think they're going to keep him.
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Colin Cowherd
That's problematic for me.
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LeVar Arrington
That's a big problem and a lot of teams don't understand that. But Trent has buddied up in a way that is commendable to Tony Khan and Shaw Khan. He's indispensable to them. I don't think he's going to get fired. Doug Peterson will not be there after the year. Chicago's a great job, and I think Bill identified that as a really appealing.
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Colin Cowherd
It's a really good roster.
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LeVar Arrington
It is. However, Bill was never going to have the type of control there that he wanted. And I think it's very clear among league circles that Chicago, at least right now looks at the offensive side of the ball. Maybe it's a Ben Johnson, someone of that caliber. As we need to address the Caleb Williams dilemma we've had this year, which is we haven't been able to develop him the right way. So to your point about Vrabel, Chicago is a great job. New York's, the Giants are a great job. But if you don't win there, you get worn down. And we saw it even with the Jets. All due respect to Robert Sala, I don't think he's a bad football coach.
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Colin Cowherd
Neither do I.
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LeVar Arrington
But he got worn down by the New York media blitz and Woody Johnson was a non starter. To your point with Bill. So listen, there's going to be six, seven, eight jobs. There always are.
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Colin Cowherd
Vrabel's the top choice.
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LeVar Arrington
Brable is absolutely the top or I think Ben Johnson. Those are the two guys that teams are looking at. One's an offensive wunderkind, another's an established defensive player's first guy that took the Tennessee Titans to back to back NFC.
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Colin Cowherd
Team and that was a dysfunctional organization when he was there.
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LeVar Arrington
Absolutely, absolutely. And I think the other one, one that's interesting and is the Raiders. So you know the Raiders calling. I'm actually curious for you, is that a good job in your, in your mind?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, first of all, in a division with Andy Reid, Harbaugh and Sean Payton, Antonio Pierce, and I know him and I like him, feels a little overwhelmed. That is the best coaching division. I mean you're making an argument now you have three first ballot hall of Fame coaches. Antonio Pierce has never been a head coach. I don't think it was a winning proposition. I mean does it sound like to you going into a season Antonio Pierce and Gardner Minshew against Harbaugh, Herbert and Mahomes and Reed, I think it's a very interesting job. They have a left tackle, a superstar tight end, an all world pass rusher. They to me are an offensive coach and a quarterback away from being interesting. But even if they get it right, the division is a Hall of Fame Mount Rushmore.
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LeVar Arrington
It's a great point. I would say Mark Davis earlier this week in Dallas said that he likes how hard the guys are still playing for ap. So that's, that's a good thing.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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LeVar Arrington
And I think we both like Antonio Pierce. The bigger question is is Mark Davis going to want to pay three different head coaches who are no longer in the building. I talked to a GM last night about this, knowing I was going to come on, what's the situation in Vegas? And he said that means he would. If he fires AP, he's paying Pierce, McDaniels and Gruden, and none of them are in the building. So then you have the Tom Brady element. Now, Brady is obviously a minority owner, but he's going to give a validity and a cachet, a prestige to that organization. And I think Mark Davis will listen to him. So then we have our Fox friend Tom Brady. You have Mike Vrabel. They're former teammates. I don't know whether or not the Raiders are going to move on from Pierce. It's a really good job. If you're success, if you're built to withstand those three coaches in that division, if you can win there, that's an organization that is.
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Colin Cowherd
So if I was the Raiders, I would absolutely offer Vrabel the job. But if I was Vrabel, I wouldn't take it. That's the way I. If I was Chicago, I'd offer Vrabel the job. If I'm Vrabel, I'm not sure I'd take it. But I speak with Mike Vrabel, and I will tell you that what matters to him, and I don't want to get too much into the details, is roster composition. And I think it's reasonable to say that Belichick and Vrabel both see Chicago is a very good roster right now.
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LeVar Arrington
I would totally agree.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, Philadelphia, AJ Brown, Jalen Hurts, Brandon Ingram. Is it tense or overblown?
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LeVar Arrington
It's overblown because this is pro sports. You know, I think there's a misconception among fans, Colin, that all these guys hang out, they're all friends. Just not the case, especially in a locker room with 53 guys, 53 egos. We had talked five or six weeks ago that it was too early to panic in Philly, and they've now become the hottest team in the league. I think at some point down the season, down the stretch, that Hertz is going to have a big play, a couple big plays. To AJ Brown, it's just. It's going to happen and they're going to dab each other up and everything's going to be copacetic. And we're going to laugh at this moment saying, oh, they're beefing. A.J. brown wants the football. This is what happens. And winning does solve everything. But we're not at the point in the season where it's panic mode for anybody. If you're winning like the Eagles are just fine. They are in the exact position they want to be in. They have the offensive coordinator to what J. Mac said earlier in the segment earlier in the day. I don't think this is an issue at all.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Tonight if San Francisco loses now, I wrote our obituary three weeks ago. If San Francisco loses tonight, it feels like to me it is a reboot. It is time to move multiple pieces. Do they view it that way and.
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LeVar Arrington
Are you putting Kyle on that because.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no. Kyle's safe. Kyle's fine. I think lynch is fine. I think it's a well run organization. They've had draft misses. I don't love that's life in the NFL, but I think it's much more. I mean if the Rams lose, we're going to say they're almost this close. If the Niners lose, they've been blown out by Buffalo, they've been blown out by the Packers. So my take is what the Niners lose tonight by a touchdown at home. What are we saying tomorrow?
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LeVar Arrington
Well, we're saying probably what's going on with Brock Purdy and are they going to pay Brock Purdy? There is a contingent of Niners fans that don't believe Kyle Shanahan should be the head coach. I think that's crazy. Yeah, same they're not moving on from Kyle Shannon. If they did, there would be 25 teams lining up to get him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. He'd be the Andy Reid getting let go in Phil.
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LeVar Arrington
Absolutely. Rock Purdy before the year. I think they believed his management that they would get 60 to 65 million after this year and that he would break the record for most paid quarterback. I still think they're going to pay Brock Purdy if he was not Mr. Relevant, if he was a first or second round pick. I don't even know if we've been having this conversation. The reality is it's been a season from hell. They've had tragedy with Trevarius Ward, Trent Williams. They've had injury with Debo and McCaffrey.
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Colin Cowherd
Birdie's hurt again.
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LeVar Arrington
Kittle, this is not a panic mode in San Francisco. This is still a roster built to win. I don't know if they're super bowl ready yet. They're probably not.
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Colin Cowherd
They're not.
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LeVar Arrington
But they're still one of the better teams in the nfc.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Shanahan's let go. Literally. He will be hired in a day.
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LeVar Arrington
Sean McVeigh, other than him, that's probably the most coveted head coach.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, what's up, everybody? It's Levar Arrington here from up on game and I need you to listen for a moment, all right? And get serious. The hate in this country is getting out of control. It's at an all time high. It's going to take all of us to stop it. I mean, think about it. We're all on the same team in this country, right? Let's take a break from hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a time out against hate. Visit standuptolhate.org to help and join me in calling for a timeout against hate by following hatsupwithhate or posting the blue square emoji.