Jason McIntyre (3:43)

Did you compliment him on that touchdown throw to Davis? What a fling that was. Oh my gosh.

Colin Cowherd (3:48)

Herbert looking good. Yeah, Herbert is so talented. He got the legendary coach to come to him. Harbaugh said, yeah, get me to the NFL. I'll leave the powerhouse. I'm gonna go to him. So the first half was about Sean Payton, scripted plays with a rookie quarterback. Short week on the road and they were great. Three touchdown drives. The second half was just about raw talent. It was about Justin Herbert and Harbot half letting Derwin James take over the halftime speech. Herbert's weapons, a converted defensive tackle, backup tight ends and running backs and a return specialist. His best receiver is a rookie and the top receiver talent. The first rounder last year is still figuring out how to catch in the second half though. Trailing. That's the hardest time to be a quarterback against a very good defense. Justin Herbert 11 of 16, 132 passer rating, scrambling for a huge first down in the second half. Both his touchdown passes to show you how depleted they are, to show you what Justin Herbert is working with. Both of his touchdown passes were the first career touchdown passes for the guys that caught him. There were shovel passes. There was a Mahomes moment late when they're trying to eat the clock. Remember that? And he scrambles off to the right and runs for a first down. It was very Mahomes like in the second half he was not 100%. They talked about it on the Amazon broadcast before the game, they talked about it during the game and that that was a real moment. The first half was about scripting Sean Payton, rookie quarterback on the road against a good defense. Were putting stuff on paper and they were excellent. But then that stuff now, now the schemes are gone. I talk about this all the time. First half it's a lot of coaching. Second half it becomes star players. And I thought that scramble by Herbert felt so much like Mahomes. And I've always heard this. Well, well, Colin Herbert has never won a playoff game. Matt Stafford did not win a playoff game until year 13. Context matters. He had to go get McVeigh and the Rams. Sorry. Justin Herbert as a rookie with a coach that got fired set passing completions and touchdown records. As a rookie quarterback with the 32nd ranked offensive line in the league. How's Caleb Williams look behind a battle line? Herbert's was worse and he broke rookie records. His coach who got fired. Just think about Caleb's situation. Tire fire. Herbert set records and oh by the way, he had the 28th ranked defense that year. So he was always trailing. He could only win by shootout. So when I hear this all the time. Well, a playoff game. Brock Purdy has four playoff wins. There is not a general manager on this planet. If you gave them Herbert or Brock Purdy would take Brock Purdy, not one. So I thought last night in that second half you were just watching an all time talent in contextualization matters with you one young quarterbacks. I mean Bo Nix gets Sean Payton, Caleb Williams gets Matt Eberfluss. Funny it looks different but Bo Nick still is in the lower ceiling limited department. Justin Herbert isn't. And oh by the way, the chargers had lost 11 straight games. Close games decided by three or less. Well, what changed last night? Finally Jim Harbaugh and great coaching can unleash talent. This is the same defense as last year. Same players and it's beat up. Why was it so bad at the end of last year and why is it so good now? Yeah, so for the Herbert doubters, I get it. You can talk about playoff wins. But if you didn't get it as rookie season when most of us did, if you watched that second half and didn't get it, I don't know how to help you. Yes, it was a team effort. Yes, the offensive tackles. Joe Alt has been a revelation at Right tackle. Yes. Lad McConkey. Derwin James is just unbelievable. Probably most talented guy. Yeah Bosa was playing limpin playing about 70% yet Khalil Mack, by the way, a lot of people thought he was done three years ago. Khalil Mack's had two great years with the Chargers last couple years. Here's Harbaugh on the win. Just a total team effort by everybody. Defense, offense, special teams, you know the guys, you know just pull it down. It was, it was, it was phenomenal. The test and the challenge is how you're going to respond and, and I knew how our guys would respond. Special group of guys. Just love our guys. Okay, now let's talk Bonix and Denver. So Denver was considered a five and a half win team and I said I don't think they'll make the playoffs but I'll take them for eight or nine wins. It was my favorite over bet every year. Last year it was the Rams. You find a team and you're like yeah, Vegas is wrong. Two years ago, three years ago it was the Vikings and they won 13 games. Last year it was the Rams. This year I said Denver's too good. You can't have Sean Payton. You got some really nice weapons though. Knicks played 61 college games. They'll be good. I did think last night was a really tough lift. Rookie quarterbacks on the road, division rivalry against Herbert and Harbaugh. I had the Chargers winning and they did so I thought he was very good on script and I think he's going to be really good. But in the second half, let's be honest, weren't thrown downfield much. The Denver defense had mistake after mistake and penalty after penalty. But Bo Nix's career is pretty clear. First two to three games as he was trying to catch up to the speed of the NFL game there was a lot of turbulence. Since October he is fifth in the NFL and touchdown passes and one of those receivers, a seventh rounder. Cortland Sutton Mims fifth. He's got more than Stafford. Jalen hurts, he's got more than Mahomes. So it's just perspective. Denver's going to be really good. But when Sean Payton took it over they still have a zillion dollars in dead cap money. Here's the great news for Denver is they've lost to the Chargers both times close. They lost to Kansas City on a block field goal. The NFL and the NBA to some degree but the NFL is a steps league. The first step is finding a franchise quarterback. Boom, they got it. The second Step for this team is getting out from beneath the tonnage of Russell Wilson's dead cap money after next year they're done with it. The fact that Denver and it looks like to me the AFC playoffs are done. I don't trust the Colts or the Bengals to win three straight games. So you watch two playoff teams last night. I think the Chargers are the better of the two playoff teams because of Justin Herbert. Both coaches hall of Fame. Both teams have an elite left tackle. Both teams need four to five more players in the draft. Neither team's a Super bowl team. They both feel like playoff teams. Denver in the first half, Chargers in the second half. But in the end you got your quarterback, you got your coach, you just resigned extended your left tackle. You got nice weapons. The dead cat money after next year is done and I'm watching Bo Nix and I'm thinking this is as good as you're going to get as a rookie quarterback. They're not supposed to win games last night. They're not supposed to go on the road division game, short week against a Harbaugh and Herbert and win. You can have a good half. You're not going to win that game. Especially when your defense had multiple penalties on a huge drive. But if I was a Denver fan, I'd feel great about it. Here's Bo after frustrated the difference in our two games with them has been seven points and you know, just got to find a way to get ball in the end zone one more time and it's. That's the frustrating part is you know the difference, the margin errors, one touchdown. Listen, the. The biggest issue I have with Denver going forward and Bo Nicks is Mahomes and Herbert four times a year minimum. That's the problem. The problem isn't Denver side they got their stuff figured out but Mahomes may be the best quarterback ever not named Tom Brady. And you watched Herbert last night shovel passes off balance falling away. 25 yard touchdown passes running limping Mahomes like that's the problem for Denver. Something you can't really control. J. Mac LeBron talking yesterday. Harbaugh's kick yesterday at the end of the half was so Jim Harbaugh.

Jason McIntyre (12:37)

Did you even know that rule?

Colin Cowherd (12:38)

No. Well, Bill Belichick there was a. Something was done years ago. It was Doug Flutie briefly with Belichick or something. There was a story done years ago. Fluty used to practice that, you know, the Boston kid and Belichick, there was a story years ago that Belichick loved that play. So when they Went for it. I'm like, oh, this is the Belichick thing. And if I would have told you There were two coaches in the last 20 years in the NFL that would use it, you'd say Belichick and Jim Harbaugh, they're both traditionalists, Right. They're both got their own authentic way to do it. So I, I, I never see it. I don't even, I don't think, I don't think I've ever seen it.

Jason McIntyre (13:16)

It seemed like everybody was confused on the field, the telecast. I had buddies in the stad. What is happening? I, I did not know. I, I haven't seen that.

Colin Cowherd (13:24)

So I knew there was a. There are. I don't know why I wasn't shocked by it, but I didn't really expect it. I don't think I've ever seen it.

Jason McIntyre (13:34)

It felt like it had a kind of a big impact, momentum wise.

Colin Cowherd (13:37)

And I thought, there's no question it did. I mean, from that moment on, Chargers dominated it.

Jason McIntyre (13:44)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (13:44)

So. Oh, here it is. My staff just said this Doug Flutie did a drop kick in 2006 and that was the first drop, 1941. So that's something different, I guess. Oh, that. I remember seeing the story about that and I was like, whatever.

Jason McIntyre (13:59)

Yeah. But listen, I know you ruled out the Bengals a couple moments ago. You don't expect them. You know who they play next, right? Broncos in Cincinnati. So you win that game and then it's, oh, no big deal, Denver, you just got to beat, I don't know, Kansas city in week 18. You better hope the Chiefs are resting players in that one. Broncos could miss the playoffs. The Bengals, I gotta be here on staff. Texted me last night. Bengals are alive.

Colin Cowherd (14:27)

Sean Payton against that Bengal defense. They may drop the ball.

Jason McIntyre (14:32)

The ball beyond the line of scrimmage, my friend. Thirteen completions at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Jordan Schultz (14:37)

What is that?

Colin Cowherd (14:39)

Listen, I look at the AFC playoff picture, I think it's done. I think it's done.

Jason McIntyre (14:44)

You don't give Bengals like no. 20 chance.

Colin Cowherd (14:47)

No, I look at the NFC playoff picture and I think the NFC west Now, I think McVay and Stafford are going to win in the division. I picked them before the season to win the division. I picked the Niners to start regressing. I didn't trust Arizona. I didn't know what to make of Seattle. You were higher on Seattle than I was. I just, I didn't know the coach.

Jason McIntyre (15:03)

By the way, Geno's back at practice. So what looked like a bad injury. So it's not over for.

Colin Cowherd (15:07)

Yeah, I think the NFC's got some wiggle room at the very bottom of it. You know, I wouldn't be shocked if Seattle got in and Washington didn't. But I think the Lions, Tampa Bay now because Kirk, Cousins, Philly, the Rams, Minnesota, Green Bay feel pretty solid to me. You know, Washington, Seattle, I think Seattle's got, in my opinion, the better roster than Washington. I think Washington's got, to me, the better quarterback. And I think that means a lot. Maybe a better, you know, I'll just say that I think, I think Washington's got the better quarterback. I think Seattle's got the better roster. So that one I think is up for grab. I think the AFC is done. Anthony Richardson's not winning three straight and they have a Indy's got a better roster than Cincinnati. And I don't think Burrow, I mean, Burrow's in this spot for a reason. You can't overcome the worst defense in the league. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. 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The original Louisiana brand hot sauce, the game day flavor changer Flavor favors the bold. Available at a store near you. Oh, great stuff. Blazing 5. Going to include a couple of college football picks. Top of the hour. Jordan Schultz stops by this hour. Some NFL stuff on job openings. What a great Friday it is. What a great game last night. I want to talk about something that's kind of blown up as a big story. I think I addressed it Monday or Tuesday. Got a lot of play and the NBA ratings are down 50% since 2012. It's a thing. So the NBA in my opinion is having their Hollywood moment. Hollywood is shrinking. Streamers have a lot to do with that and AI probably providing some discomfort as well. So the NBA is having its Hollywood moment. There's there's a big reshaping of Hollywood consumers in the NBA and in Hollywood. And the NBA is not exactly sure how it's going to land. I thought it was very interesting. This week, Celtics head coach Joe Missoula was asked about watching the NBA games. He said, I don't watch him. Oh, I know there's many people blaming the media. There's many people blaming the nostalgia, the old heads. But I thought LeBron James was incredibly candid when he was asked about some All Star Game changes coming up. Listen to this.

Jordan Schultz (23:02)

It's a bigger conversation.

Colin Cowherd (23:04)

It's not just the All Star Game.

Jordan Schultz (23:05)

It's our game in general. Our game is.

Colin Cowherd (23:09)

It's a lot of threes being shot.

Jordan Schultz (23:13)

So it's a. It's a bigger conversation.

Colin Cowherd (23:15)

Just all star game. Yeah. OKC, Milwaukee, NBA Cup. Nobody watched 72 Threes. Don't blame the consumer. Now, JJ Redick, a former broadcaster and podcaster, he has the belief it's outside sources. It's not the league. It's those outside of the league that are to blame.

Jordan Schultz (23:41)

I don't think we, as and by, we. I was part of it.

Colin Cowherd (23:46)

We, as the sort of national partners.

Jordan Schultz (23:51)

Have done a good job of storytelling, of celebrating the game of.

Colin Cowherd (23:56)

If I'm a casual fan and you.

Jordan Schultz (23:57)

Tell me every time I turn on.

Colin Cowherd (23:58)

The television that the product sucks, well, I'm not going to watch the product.

Jordan Schultz (24:02)

The league is more talented and skilled.

Colin Cowherd (24:04)

Than it was 18 years ago when I was drafted. That's a fact.

Jordan Schultz (24:08)

There are more players that are excellent.

Colin Cowherd (24:11)

There are more teams that are excellent. You know what that sounds like to me? The Hollywood crowd saying, you don't understand the art. Yeah, we get it. Your movies are too long and they don't relate to any of us yet. That's it, right? If the Dover Soul's not selling on the menu, take it off the menu. Put on more steak and chicken parm. Stop blaming the consumer. The storytelling. By the way, baseball's got more great players over the last 10 years than it's ever had. And it wasn't until two years ago the ratings went up. And it had nothing to do with storytelling. It had to do with Rob Manfred tweaking the sport. This is a game issue. It's not the media's fault. It's not. It's not the fans fault. It's not the old heads. LeBron nailed it. They got too many threes and a lot of guys shouldn't be shooting them. The game's repetitive. J.J. redick says the game needs to be celebrated. No, it doesn't. It needs to be audited. Like Rob Manfred did to baseball. Baseball showing you the way. Is baseball storytelling now better? No. Stars are in the right places. Stars are fun to watch. The game is faster. They got rid of that stupid defensive shift. Not about storytelling. People wanted to see stars and more base runners and more runs and more excitement. Rob Manfred purists didn't like it. Made changes, Boom, back to back years, ratings up. If you change the three point shot, I think you should move the arc into the bench. And so people had to do mid Rangers. Our favorite player ever is Michael Jordan. Do you know that he didn't shoot threes? Our second favorite player ever is probably Magic Johnson. He didn't shoot him either. The best player arguably ever is Kareem. He didn't shoot him ever. The best player in the 60s was Russell. Never took one. I'm supposed to now suddenly, with all this in my brain about basketball. Want Wemby at 74 jacking up 13 threes a game? Stop blaming the consumer. Baseball said, we got to make changes. We got to change the menu. We got to be flexible. And by the way, Hollywood's done the same. They got rid of these niche independent weirdo films pandering to these weirdos and said, you know what? How about the Avengers? How about John Wick? How about Tom Cruise? That's what the audience likes. That's art too, right? So I, I don't buy this. It's outside sources. It's just an easy thing. It's just like blaming the ex wife. You know, it's her. It's, it's, it's, it's the constant. It's the White House, it's the President, it's my brother, it's my boss. How about look in the mirror? How about change the menu? J. Mac with the news.

Jordan Schultz (26:58)

No, no, no, no.

Colin Cowherd (27:00)

Turn on the news. This is the herd line. You don't get the art. You're right.

Jason McIntyre (27:07)

We should give the people what they want. Just give them only superhero movies and redos from the 1980s.

Colin Cowherd (27:13)

That's it.

Jason McIntyre (27:13)

Yeah, Hollywood's dead. Anyways, let's get started with the Jets. Oh, gosh. I'm sick of talking about this team. My favorite sports team. Total mess. So one of the stories yesterday in a big expose, bashing owner Woody Johnson was going back to, I believe 2022, when they had a guy by the name of Michael White at quarterback.

Colin Cowherd (27:32)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (27:32)

So after a loss, he was very upset and he threw his helmet. Reportedly jets owner, according to the athletic Woody Johnson said, you should throw your helmet. You effing suck.

Colin Cowherd (27:43)

Which is outrageous.

Jason McIntyre (27:46)

I mean, that's very outrageous. To have your teenage kid in the locker room handing out game balls like this is just, it's, it's pathetic.

Colin Cowherd (27:55)

It's bad.

Jason McIntyre (27:56)

Here's the real issue. Interesting thing. Where is this coming from? And why Is Woody closing in on someone?

Colin Cowherd (28:02)

No, no, I think it's. I think in my opinion, it's people who have been let go and are being marginalized and they're like, yeah, I want you to know what we went through here. So when you fired. I always thought when I was doing local TV and I was like, not like I am now. Well, I was like, you know, kind of a journalist and was going to games and a lot and like doing reporting. I always looked for disgruntled employees. I always look for fired employees. So. Because they're, they're sitting out there often unemployed and being made to look bad, and they're getting blamed for everything. And those people have a right to say, now, here's what really happened. Woody Johnson does not deny this, by the way, that, that Mike White situation. That is outrageous to me. Like an owner. By the way, the Spanos's are, are in the locker room, you know, because their kids have worked forever. And, and I get it. Like, I, I do get the owner coming in after. I mean, if I owned a team, I'd want to watch the guys celebrate that for a win, too. But I can assure you Dean Spanos and the new Bronco owners aren't dog cussing players. Dean Spanos on that team for a long time. When he, when he let go of Anthony Lynn, a coach that wasn't working, that was one of the saddest days of his. He told me this. He said it was brutal. It was brutal for the family. Like, most of these owners don't do stuff like this. This is bad.

Jason McIntyre (29:24)

Yeah. So, you know we own that soccer team in Mexico, right? So we're minority owners.

Colin Cowherd (29:28)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (29:29)

I've been at games where we got blasted. 4, 0.

Colin Cowherd (29:31)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (29:32)

You know, and you go in the locker room afterward, you sure as hell. I'm not talking to the players.

Colin Cowherd (29:36)

They're.

Jason McIntyre (29:37)

Everybody's upset and sad and depressed. And when you win, yeah, everybody's dancing. But I'm not like taking a game ball and present. You're staying on the outside, Woody Johnson. This is really embarrassing, Colin. I go back to this. Like, if you're a GM or you're a head coach and you're reading all these stories and they all are. Why on earth are you taking this job?

Colin Cowherd (29:54)

Because the roster's good. You'll have Aaron for a year.

Jason McIntyre (29:57)

You want to deal with this crap?

Colin Cowherd (29:58)

I. No.

Jason McIntyre (29:59)

I'll guarantee you. Take this to the bank. Vrabel's not touching this job. No shot. Absolutely not. V's not coming in here. Nobody smart wants to deal with this guy. You know who does? Desperate guys. Offensive coordinator who's like, pick me, let me have my first job as a hit.

Colin Cowherd (30:13)

That's what they keep hiring coordinators.

Jason McIntyre (30:15)

And it's going to fail miserably. Next up is Jordan Love. Boy, start of the year, kind of tough. Had some groin and knee injuries, but he has been on a bit of a heater lately. He's gone four straight games without a pick. Seven touchdowns in those games. He also has posted passer ratings over 100 in each of his last five. Here's his coach talking about Jordan Love.

Jordan Schultz (30:37)

I think this is the best ball he's played. Just when I look at all the little things, like I explained the other.

Colin Cowherd (30:42)

Day, in terms of his ability to manipulate the pocket when he's under duress, getting the ball to his checkdowns or whatever it may be, I think he's playing at a really high level. Yeah, Greg Cosell likes him. I always lean on Greg Cosell on Thursdays. What's the film say? The film said Jalen Hurts last week was spectacular and he likes what he's seeing with Jordan Love.

Jason McIntyre (31:05)

Well, against Seattle, which has a very good secondary.

Colin Cowherd (31:08)

Yeah, he was cooking. He was.

Jason McIntyre (31:09)

And I think you got Jordan Love in our quarterback draft. Yesterday was a nice, nice job by you.

Colin Cowherd (31:14)

I got Herbert.

Jason McIntyre (31:16)

Yeah, Herbert is also a good, good pick.

Colin Cowherd (31:19)

And Mahomes and I didn't have the first pick. Now, I'm going to tell you something. You talk about a gm you want to sign to an extension, you're looking at him.

Jason McIntyre (31:28)

Jordan Love. They have the Saints on Monday Night Football. They are two touchdown.

Colin Cowherd (31:33)

There's two, two touchdown favorites. One of them's in my blazing five. I, I, I like both of them, but I chose the other one because there was a number I liked. Okay, but there's, there's, there's two big, big Green Bay and Buffalo are, oh, Buffalo, New England are huge favorites. The difference is I think New Orleans has some redeemable talent.

Jason McIntyre (31:52)

One's, one's a divisional matchup. Be careful with those. It's going to be like 11 degrees in Buffalo.

Colin Cowherd (31:58)

Okay.

Jason McIntyre (31:59)

Those Lake effect wins.

Colin Cowherd (32:00)

Yeah. Josh Allen doesn't shrink when it's Cold.

Jason McIntyre (32:04)

Final story is, oh, this is surprising to me. So the Cowboys spent big time for Dak Prescott. CD Lamb broke the bank. Both of them got massive deals. So now everybody's looking at Micah Parsons. Colin, I don't know why he would say this, but Parsons said he is kind of okay with not getting all of the money. Take a listen.

Colin Cowherd (32:28)

I want to hear it.

Jason McIntyre (32:29)

Okay. It would just be nice to be surrounded by good players, you know what I mean? Players that are going to help you win championships. To me, having 40 mil and being chipped every play and slid two with three, four people, I don't think that sounds fun. So to me it's about keep making a difference. And obviously we're going to get Sam Williams back, we're going to get some others back. We'll see how it breaks down. But I want to keep as many guys as possible. However they're going to make that cap work. He's alluding to like not a hometown discount, but not being like the number one edge rusher paid, which, well, he shouldn't be.

Colin Cowherd (33:05)

Miles Garrett and T.J. watt are better. I'm going to be honest with you. Khalil Mack, the last two years has been out of this world, so I don't think he should be the top paid outside guy. I don't pass rusher. I don't. I think the guy at Cincinnati is excellent.

Jason McIntyre (33:17)

Hendrickson.

Colin Cowherd (33:18)

I think Hendrickson's great.

Jason McIntyre (33:19)

Well, now that I'm surprised at that take. Well, do you think CD Lamb is the best player in his position?

Colin Cowherd (33:24)

No. No. But in an offensive league, he's their only redeemable high end weapon.

Jason McIntyre (33:29)

So you think Dak Prescott's the best? Obviously not.

Colin Cowherd (33:31)

Well, I wouldn't have paid him that. But I'm saying, Micah, if you're. You're asking me edge rushers, TJ Watt is one. Bosa in San Francisco, Hendrickson in Cincinnati. Miles Garrett and Cleveland are right off the top four. And then you have a green group of guys like Khalil Mack, by the way, Max Crosby. There's about seven guys I would put ahead of Micah. I think Mike is in that 7, 8 space. Also. It's a state with no income tax. It's a huge brand.

Jason McIntyre (33:57)

I mean, he's probably making money off his podcast.

Colin Cowherd (33:59)

Absolutely.

Jason McIntyre (34:00)

But I'm going to go back to this. You're telling me he's okay watching them pay Dak Prescott top of the market. CD Lamb, top of the market. But for me, I'm not getting top of the market. No, no, you don't think that's a.

Colin Cowherd (34:12)

Little near the top of the market. I think there's. I've said this about D. Wade for years. The fact that D. Wade went to Miami, never paid state tax, had Pat Riley as the gm, Spolstra mostly as the head coach, and one of the top owners, Mickey Harrison. There are times, there are value. Sometimes when he went to Chicago, I'm like, I know you're. I know you're from there, bro. But I would stay. Like, there are situations where being the Cowboy quarterback is better than being paid a little bit more to be the Cleveland Brown quarterback.

Jason McIntyre (34:43)

So I. I would agree with that. However, I don't know how they're gonna spend the money that you're not giving me. So unless I like the Miami Heat, historically amazing.

Colin Cowherd (34:55)

Now you have again. That's a very fair point.

Jason McIntyre (34:57)

Trust Jerry Jones.

Colin Cowherd (34:58)

That's very.

Jason McIntyre (34:59)

The right thing with the money you're not giving me.

Colin Cowherd (35:00)

No, that's a very fair point. Tom Brady. For years. I said, for years when Brady was in New England and they. He kept giving up money, and I kept saying, where's it going? Because they don't have a receiver that can separate. Like, outside of Edelman, you're like, where are all the receivers? So I. It drove me nuts for years that Tommy gave up the money, and I'm like, where is it going? You're good at tight end, but you have be running backs. You have Edelman and B receivers. So I think it's fair. But I do think there are certain organizations. Manchester United, you're getting a lot of eyeballs, you know, if you're their striker, it's. I think there are organizations I would, you know, you can play for. The New York Rangers or the St. Louis Blues. New York Rangers, they got a rabid longtime fan base. Or Toronto Maple Leafs. And I think there's value in that.

Jason McIntyre (35:47)

So I guess in closing, there was a lot of chatter about should they trade Micah, blah, blah, blah. Do you think Micah's like, whoa, I don't want to go anywhere. I'm willing to take less because I.

Colin Cowherd (35:56)

Want to stay here.

Jason McIntyre (35:57)

Don't ship me to Siberia or wherever.

Colin Cowherd (36:00)

That's right.

Jason McIntyre (36:00)

And Mike is like, kind of covered away.

Colin Cowherd (36:02)

Who would take Micah? Who would over.

Jason McIntyre (36:04)

I think a lot of people would take Micah.

Colin Cowherd (36:06)

Well, no question. But who would overpay for him? A bad team, a poorly run team.

Jason McIntyre (36:11)

Jacksonville.

Colin Cowherd (36:12)

Yeah, There you go.

Jason McIntyre (36:13)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (36:14)

J. Macleanoos. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd live. I just want to point this. I Can't wait for Notre Dame host in Indiana tonight. That's in my blazing five picks. Last year, the Big Ten. The Big Ten stole the King crown from the sec. Michigan not only won the Natty, they played a, they played a PAC 10 team. They didn't have to play in SEC. SEC didn't even get to the championship this year. Alabama disappointed. Tennessee's a touchdown underdog to Ohio State. Carson Beck is not going to play in the playoffs for Georgia. So they're not winning a national championship. And it all rests on Texas. The new guy on the block is the best team. And Texas, it should be noted, has some offensive struggles. The last three games I've watched, they're not moving the ball. So it's very, very interesting. Sources say today that Georgia's preparing for the College Football Playoff without their quarterback. So take them out of winning. And so the SEC's reign is slipping. 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Jordan Schultz (44:27)

I think first of all, you're probably right. However, before the season when they moved on from Kenny Pickett, the Steelers really wanted to make sure that they could find not just a bridge, but potentially a long term solution. Okay, they bring in Justin Fields, they bring in Russell Wilson. I think they believe they have found that solution with Russell Wilson. Now, it hasn't been as good lately because George Pickens has been out and that's their big play guy. He's a weapon that you simply cannot replace. That being said, we have seen a version of Russell Wilson that compares favorably to Seattle Russell. Yeah, it's not quite the same, but only three interceptions. He's only been sacked 21 times. And I think the biggest thing that Russell has going for him is a relationship with Mike Tomlinson. And because of that, that dates way back to when they met for multiple hours before Russ signed. Tomlin really advocated him to ownership said this is the guy I can build around. If the Steelers can get Pickens back. And I think they're being cautious. If they, if this were a playoff game, I believe he plays. But they're being cautious with Pickens knowing that they're going to need him for the playoffs.

Colin Cowherd (45:36)

Yes.

Jordan Schultz (45:37)

Should he play week 17, week 18, maybe they win a playoff game. I'm telling you, Colin, there is a very good chance that the Steelers extend Russell Wilson similarly to what Tampa did with Baker Mayfield, which was three years.

Colin Cowherd (45:49)

100 million falcons making a change to Michael Penix. I think it's an upgrade. I liked him a lot. Tell me some backstory there.

Jordan Schultz (45:58)

Michael Penix Jr. There's so much to like about this kid and it's not just because he's a Husky. It's because of what he's been through. And obviously the two ACL tears he overcomes ends up having an excellent season, excellent career. Washington finishes 25, three. You know, second in the Heisman, goes to the national title game, wins the O'Brien, Winston Maxwell. But let me take you back to why Atlanta drafted this guy. It wasn't just a pro day. It wasn't just the combine. The Falcons flew out on air blank to Seattle and they specifically worked out Michael Penix Jr. Incognito at Husky Stadium. They wanted to work out indoor, but the indoor facility was being used. It's one of those cold, gloomy, nasty Seattle days. You know about those. I grew up in that weather. It's not fun to play football. It's not fun to throw A football in that weather. The Falcons did something. Whether or not it was on purpose, I don't know. But they left the footballs with the luggage. So by the time they got to the stadium, they were cold and really inflated. Now Penix has these mitts for hands. Yeah, he had the biggest hands of any non lineman at the combine. So as this is progressing, Raheem Morris, the head coach gets out on the field and he starts playing linebacker, dummy linebacker. And all of a sudden the balls are. They're going by his head and he's saying, this guy has a hose, he has a cannon. Zach Robinson, the OC is turning to everyone and saying, I think this is our guy. I mean, I really believe this could be our guy. He has a great workout. Jalen Polk he's throwing to and the ball is just perfect.

Colin Cowherd (47:32)

Yeah, throws a gorgeous ball.

Jordan Schultz (47:34)

He really does. And O'Dunze, Jaylen McMillan, all these pros now have told me his ball is extremely catchable. It's a 20 yard handoff. They get back on air, blink, they fly back to Atlanta. That's the impetus to Michael Penix Jr. Being drafted by the Falcons. They were so impressed not only with the way he threw it, but the fact that he was so nonchalant about the weather. Oh, we can play outside. I love this. That's why he's a Falcon and really that's why he's starting now because nothing will bother this guy. The fact that Kirk Cousins it was $100 million guaranteed. They didn't bench him. They waited the optics. Put that aside. Michael Panck Jr. Is the face of this franchise.

Colin Cowherd (48:10)

Feels a little Baltimore when Flacco week 11 here comes Lamar. Feels a little bit like that. Okay. Woody Johnson. The Mike White story in the Athletic to me is gross. The kids in the locker room I guess is fine. It's. Is it fair to say that Woody Johnson the kids little too close to personnel in the organization?

Jordan Schultz (48:29)

Yeah. So I think Woody Johnson medals, Colin. He's not an owner that's going to just be absentee. But during much of the Joe Douglas era, he was not there. He was in Europe.

Colin Cowherd (48:39)

That's right.

Jordan Schultz (48:40)

Was not meddling.

Colin Cowherd (48:40)

He was the ambassador with Trump. Yeah.

Jordan Schultz (48:42)

Now that's not a role he has now. So we'll see if that changes things.

Colin Cowherd (48:45)

Right.

Jordan Schultz (48:45)

Christopher Johnson's probably more well liked in that billion wood. That being said, there are plenty of organizations that will not give their GM and head coach more than two or three years. They gave Joe Douglas six. They gave Salah five.

Colin Cowherd (48:58)

Yeah.

Jordan Schultz (48:58)

So a Lot of people, agents are looking at this that represent coaches and executives and saying, if I get the right type of personality in New York that can withstand that pressure cooker, he's going to have the opportunity to build the franchise the way he wants.

Colin Cowherd (49:13)

I talked to Mike Vrabel. Mike said, he said I would take the jets job. I just don't know who the GM would be. I'd have to like the gm.

Jordan Schultz (49:18)

That's exactly right. You have to get the GM right. You have to get the coach right. But if you can withstand New York, that's a roster that is built to win.

Colin Cowherd (49:26)

It's a real roster.

Jordan Schultz (49:27)

It is.

Colin Cowherd (49:28)

They found a left tackle from Penn State.

Jordan Schultz (49:29)

He's excellent. Olufashano. They love him. They had the receivers. They had Garrett Wilson and Breece hall.

Colin Cowherd (49:35)

And they could actually trade down in the first round.

Jordan Schultz (49:38)

They could. And if you, if you win, if you win in New York, if you win as a Jet, you're a legend. I mean, since taking over Woody Johnson, they have the six worst winning percentage since 2000. They have not been in the playoffs since 2010, which is the longest playoff drought in North American sports. So Woody's not a perfect owner. I'm not here to say that. But I will tell you he is seen as someone that will let you develop the roster the way you want and give you time.

Colin Cowherd (50:02)

Zach Taylor, Bengals. Frugal. You could almost say cheap. They don't make moves. They're the opposite of the Eagles and Howie Roseman. They're very stoic, placid that way. Zach Taylor, I think he's safe now. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do think when Joe Burrow has barked more than once. There was the meeting earlier in the year, at halftime. I thought that. I thought that barking on the sideline was something. Yeah.

Jordan Schultz (50:26)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (50:27)

Is he on the hot seat?

Jordan Schultz (50:28)

I don't believe he is. And I'll tell you the. The one thing about Zach Taylor, he's extremely well liked by the people and players that matter in that building.

Colin Cowherd (50:37)

Okay?

Jordan Schultz (50:38)

That helps him a lot. What also helps them is the fact that ownership did not give the Bengals the right opportunity to begin the season. They could have paid Trey Hendrickson, they didn't. They tagged T. Higgins, and most importantly, they got to the goal line, the one yard line with Jamar Chase, but they could not get the guarantees. Now you have an incredibly motivated Ja'Marr Chase who will, by the way, Colin, become the first $40 million wide receiver with. Without question in my mind. But ownership knows that Zach Taylor and the Bengals were basically hamstrung to begin the season. And it's not viewed as a coaching problem. Maybe if anything, the DC Lou Amarumo, he has had issues, but offensively they've been great. That's Zach's. That's really his fortune. And I think because he has the support of Joe Jamar, a lot of other guys in that building, he's not in a position of being vulnerable.

Colin Cowherd (51:29)

Let's talk Harvard. Harbaugh last night going with the old school kick. That is so Jim Harbaugh. That is so classic Jim Harbaugh. What. What's their kind of timeline to compete in your opinion before the year?

Jordan Schultz (51:40)

You really liked him. I remember you were very over on the.

Colin Cowherd (51:43)

Yeah. And I thought they were. We talked. I thought they were a 10 or 11 win team.

Jordan Schultz (51:47)

So you were dead on. And it's because of Harbaugh. I think the real question is, do we believe Justin Herbert is in the category or could be in the category of Burrow and Allen and Jackson look.

Colin Cowherd (51:57)

Like it in the second half last.

Jordan Schultz (51:58)

Night, the third and 11 run, the extending plays. I'll never forget what DeAndre Carter was now with the Bears receiver with the Chargers two years ago told me. He said Justin Herbert is Hulk with an arm. He's 66240. This guy is a machine. He has not had good coaching with Brandon Staley. Now that Jim Harbaugh is in his touchdowns and overall efficiency. His touchdowns are down, but his efficiency is way up.

Colin Cowherd (52:22)

No, not throwing Pennsylvania 6. It's.

Jordan Schultz (52:23)

It's actually the best quarterbacking play that Justin Herbert has given us. Even though the stats aren't as gaudy.

Colin Cowherd (52:30)

Right.

Jordan Schultz (52:30)

So I think they might be a year away. I don't think they're quite there. The secondary has been banged up.

Colin Cowherd (52:35)

I think they need a corner.

Jordan Schultz (52:36)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (52:37)

A tight end. I think they should look at their interior O line. But I think. I think they're one of those teams that is about three players away, but they have.

Jordan Schultz (52:47)

You always talk about left tackle and quarterback.

Colin Cowherd (52:49)

They have that.

Jordan Schultz (52:49)

And I think they really have a true number one in the making, Aladdin McConkey, who can play in the slot. They like Quentin Johnson. They got. We talked about Joe Walt. So the framework is there.

Colin Cowherd (52:59)

No question.

Jordan Schultz (53:00)

And you're seeing a Chargers team that used to blow these leads. Now they're coming back and winning these games. They're sustaining. So the defense has been a little bit worse.

Colin Cowherd (53:09)

Derwin James has been healthy.

Jordan Schultz (53:10)

He's been healthy.

Colin Cowherd (53:10)

Khalil Max had a great couple years.

Jordan Schultz (53:13)

And Khalil Mack has been an absolute student. I really believe the Chargers know in that building that they have a Super bowl contend. I don't think they're quite there, but in a year, watch out.

Colin Cowherd (53:24)

I'll tell you, I asked somebody a couple years ago in that locker room about Khalil Mack and they said he's a real leader. Guys like him in that locker room and you and you've seen it. We got to run. Great stuff from Jordan Schultz, Fox NFL Insider Blazing fives coming up. We are loaded. It's a Friday. I'm partnering with PayPal. The holiday season is here and I'm going to save big with cash back offers in the PayPal app. It's easy. I browse deals from my favorite brands, save offers in the app and use PayPal checkout online. Really, really easy. Whether I'm buying gifts for my family or treating myself to something nice, I'm earning cash back and you can too. Don't just pay PayPal check offers in the app. For details and exclusions, cashback earned as points redeemable for cash and other options, see PayPal rewards terms. This is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb. Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high. But it's gonna take all of us to stop it. I mean, we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup.

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