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Joy Taylor
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon.
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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J. Mac
Now let's get this party started.
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Joy Taylor
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. What a night in the association. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Well, J. Mac As a Knicks fan, probably feeling really good right about now.
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Nick Wright
Giddy, downright giddy, about not only the Knicks winning, but how about the Choclahoma City Thunder? Absolutely gagging Colin. I was laughing.
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Joy Taylor
It's not a cliche when we say don't trust young teams in the playoffs. They would have been better off being on the road. They could feel it. They got tight, their coach got tight. Everybody got tight. Wow. All right, let's start with this, okay? The Celtics lost at home. Bizarrely, they're not even that good at home. They're actually a better road team. Nick fans, I've never seen a Game one upset that means less. This is the only game the Knicks are going to win. Boston's not going to miss 45 threes. I know. Enjoy the moment, Nick fans, you are feeling it today. Oh, give me a break. Boston got a 20 point lead. They hammered this team all year. They fell asleep and then they just took bad shots. Jason Tatum, he froze. He does that from time to time. He does it much more than any of his fanboys want to admit. It was the classic Jayson Tatum game. Late, where you're like, is he on the floor? Is he playing? Where's Jayson Tatum? But the Knicks wings OG played well. Mikhail Bridges, they were running off shooters, defended well, they deserve credit. But the Celtics had the third fewest layups in the league and the fewest free throws. What does it mean? Shots? They don't. They just live and die with a three. And like those great warrior teams when Stephen Clay weren't hitting them, they had bad nights. They got blown out multiple times in the finals. So, I mean, Boston, they don't get layups, they don't shoot mid range, they don't get to the free throw line. They're shooting 60 threes. And last night, I mean, in the second half and overtime or second half, yeah, and overtime, yeah, they shot 49 shots. 37 were threes. And I will defend Jayson Tatum later on in this show because I think he's a little bit trapped with his team. But the reality is, you see this from Boston, and strangely, it's often at home. They're a great road team. They're a better road team than a home team. But they have these nights. And you know, Jayson Tatum, nobody wants to admit it, but he has these collaborative nights where he's just settling for bad shots. And again, I think he could draw more fouls. But this is what Boston is. They're going to be fine. The Knicks have absolute offensive limitations. It's going to be okay. Boston's not going to shoot like this. I mean, the first quarter was classic Knicks. They were out playing Boston. Boston was rusty. And the Knicks kept missing free throws. They couldn't get the free throws right. I was on Moneyline. Knicks first quarter to J. Mac. They couldn't hit free throws. So the Knicks have an absolute ceiling. But Boston, they give you one of these every so often. And I, and I've said before, they remind me a lot of the warriors team. But back when the warriors were shooting all the threes, the rest of the league was not. But Boston leads the league in threes. They don't get to the free throw line, they don't create layups or mid range shots. So when they have one of these awful shooting halves, I mean, they led by 20. They dominate this team. And we've said this all the time in the NFL. You'll see a team lead 28 to 7 at half and the game ends like 31, 27. And you're like, we were so close. And it's like, not really. It's hard to ask athletes who dominate an opponent over and over and over to always bring their A game. And Boston had a bad second half, settled for too many bad shots. And here's Jalen Brown after the loss.
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J. Mac
I felt like we just settled in the second half a lot. Some of them felt good, some of them felt like we may be forced. The issue and definitely our rhythm and our, our timing was a little bit off. We got a lot of great looks in those moments when the other team got momentum. We can't just fire up threes, you know, to break up momentum. You got to get to the free throw line, get to the paint, get to the basket.
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Joy Taylor
They're going to be just fine. And Jayson Tatum is going to be just fine. And I'll defend him in about 10 minutes. All right, let's go to the opposite of the Boston Celtics. Literally the opposite team, the Denver Nuggets, who as an underdog went into OKC and dominated the late game situations. The Nuggets shoot the fewest threes in the NBA. They live at the free throw line because Jokic can create so many opportunities around the basket. And Jokic, unlike Tatum, is a coach on the floor, does not care if he offends people, is mostly collaborative, but sometimes he takes over. And if you go to the fourth quarter, OKC got tight. The young nervous at times, terrified. Thunder at home froze. They froze. And this was Jokic at his best, coaching and Playing. He is the anti Kawhi. He communicates with everybody. I mean, obviously he empowers Aaron Gordon and Russell Westbrook, but it should be noted Jamal Murray as well. I mean, this. This right now. There was a time when Michael Jordan. I've told the story before. I was on a couch watching Michael Jordan against the Phoenix Suns in the final and with a. With a. With a friend who's a great basketball player. And I said, why can't there be more Michaels? I mean, he's not the strongest player or the biggest player. He's not the best ball handler or the best shooter. The NBA Average size is 6'six he's 6'six kind of thin. I mean, I know he can jump, but Dominique had a higher vertical. Michael was so much better than even Charles Barkley, you know, like even Akeem. And you watch Jokic. He is so far and away the best basketball player in the world. And now he's also the best player coach, which Bill Russell did for a while. I mean, you got Tatum, he can freeze. You got Giannis. Don't trust him. Late, can't hit a free throw. You got Embiid, he's never healthy. You got Kawhi, weird personality. You've got Luka, who's not in great shape and is not willing to defend. And for the record, not only is Jokic flawless offensively, he's actually an improved defensive player. He looks like he's in better shape. So, again, this game was not just Jokic, Although he was remarkable. Westbrook once again gives you so many tools in the bag, including improved shooting. Congrats to a shooting coach. Also, Aaron Gordon is another one of these guys. I was talking before the show to JMac, that young player for Houston. I love Amend Thompson. Aaron Gordon's like a bigger, stronger, more experienced version of Amend Thompson.
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Joy Taylor
He just does everything. Rebounds, block shots late in games, tipping it, defending length, relentless energy, and he hits the game winner last night. And what I love about Jokic is this mentality. Here's an organization that went through a coaching change a week before the playoffs, so you can see Jokic on the sideline. He's literally like, you know, we're all like, we got to be included in this. If you go back to that Clipper Denver series, this is what the Clippers needed, and they have a great coach in Tyloo. But Kawhi doesn't provide that, and Harden certainly doesn't provide that. It's always excuses for those two. Here is Jokic saying, yeah, I'm not going to be stoic. It's not a time to be stoic. He is coaching, he is playing, he is elevating and. But. But again, not at all a guy that has to take the last shot. It's Westbrook and Aaron Gordon who combine for the last shot. And here's Jokic after.
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J. Mac
He's a soul of this team. He's a glue guy. He probably doesn't give the much respect that he deserves, but I think he doesn't need leg attention. So he knows what he's doing, so I'm happy for him.
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Joy Taylor
A remarkable, remarkable night. And we were talking about this. There are a lot of cliches in basketball, right? In all sports, but don't trust young guys in the playoffs. People always say to me, how come you don't respect okc? It's not that I don't respect them. I don't trust them. I respect a lot of people. Love many, trust few. I don't trust OKC in a big spot. Chad Holmgren was nervous, the coach was nervous. And by the way, OKC is one of those collaborative teams. You get it and I get it. But be honest with you. I want SGA with the ball. That's who I want. Shooting every shot. Eight straight. I wish. Tatum, you know, SGA in the regular season is a machine, but when you get into these playoff games, that's why OKC played no close games this year. Minnesota led the NBA in close games and clutch moments. So here you get OKC rolling everybody, and it's like, oh, wait, we're the favorite. Denver's older and wiser. All these great play. How many playoff games is Westbrook and Jokic and Murray and Gordon? OKC got tight. They're not in close games. This isn't college football, where if you're winning by three touchdowns, you just have better players. I mean, I would argue OKC's got a deeper roster, but if you're giving me a starting five and I get Jokic and Murray and Gordon, and then I get, like, a Westbrook who's a spark plug. We talked about this yesterday. The betting markets have. OKC is an overwhelming favorite. Time out. Young teams do not sweep veteran teams with a trophy who have been in these games. We've been trying to bury the warriors for six years. Denver's not going anywhere. That is a really good team. J. Mac, by the way, Steph didn't play last night, LeBron didn't play last night, and the league was fine.
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Nick Wright
Wow.
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Joy Taylor
It's.
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Nick Wright
It's one night we get Jalen Brunson last night put on a How good is Jalen? We need to start honestly putting him in context with his greatness. Jalen Brunson is magnificent to watch. I know you love him, right?
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Joy Taylor
Yes, I one of your favorite players. I really, really like him as a player. Now next hour to start, Nick Wright. But I, I am so I do four predictions before the NFL season. This will be my second. Okay, so I do the coaching and free agencies all done. And then I do the coaching, free agency, draft is all done. So 45 minutes from now, I'll tell you who, I have some changes, mostly middle and bottom of divisions. You're not going to like all of them. And then we have Nick Wright as well.
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Nick Wright
Are the 49ers on your playoff? Are they in there?
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Joy Taylor
Just missed by six games. So we, we got a good show today. Last night was so much fun. A Rocket Mortgage Lowering down payments to 1% for eligible home buyers with 1 plus. You heard it right. 1% down on home ownership with 1 plus. From Rocket Mortgage, go to 804 Rocket or Rocket.com Rocket Mortgage licensed in all 50 states. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Joy Taylor
So listen, I could beat up on Jason Tatum today, but there's so much I like about him. Smart, thoughtful, collaborative, good teammate, great player. So let me put this. You know, Phil Jackson is the greatest basketball coach. And Steve Kerr is pretty good, and so is Spoelstra. There's a lot of good coaches, Popovich, but Phil Jackson was the Zen master and he did the triangle offense. But there was also times that Phil knew I'm gonna back up. Kobe's on a heater. I'm gonna let Michael do what Michael's doing. You and I say this all the time about business. You can't get too rigid. You gotta make exceptions Every day at this company, you gotta make an exception. You can have values, you can have vision. But here's where I'm gonna defend Jayson Tatum. So we had another one of those nights where he lacked aggressiveness. And it looks like he was one in nine in fourth quarter and overtime. So listen, Steph had bad nights. I saw a finals game. Michael Jordan against Utah, he had a bad night. Kobe had bad nights. Shaq had bad nights. That's okay. What I don't want is my super talented, athletic six eight wing with great handles settling for threes. But the Celtics three point culture is demanding it. So it puts Jason Tatum, a collaborative, nice guy, in a weird spot. His free throw numbers have gone down three straight years. Why? Because the Celtics want more threes. And if you shoot threes, you don't get to the free throw line. That's why it took Jimmy Butler for the warriors to finally get to the three point line. So Tatum can easily beat guys off the dribble all night long, but he keeps getting to the free throw line less and less because the Celtics are paralyzed. They have this culture where they're just paralyzed. We got to shoot 55 threes, and I think it puts Jayson Tatum, a nice guy and a collaborative guy, in a weird spot. So last night, I mean, again, if Kobe was on this team, he would get Missoula fired. I mean, Michael Jordan would have Missoula going upstairs daily. Michael would fight this stuff. And Phil Jackson understood. Sometimes you just gotta let special happen. And last night, nine seconds left, game is tied. I don't want a three from Jayson Tatum. I want a bucket. Put it on the deck and beat your man. Which, by the way, he can. He's a brilliant basketball player. But the Celtics are shoot more threes. I mean, they're literally last in the NBA in free throw attempts and third to last in layups. It's like when they're bad, they just settle. And so I think there are coaches sometimes. I think Jason Tatum should just impose his will and, and deal with the repercussions later. Who cares if Missoula yells at you? They're not going to fire Tatum. They'd move off a coach before they'd move off Jayson Tatum. But this is just. It's kind of like Bobby Knight basketball, right? Like this is the way we play basketball. Players more than any athlete, along with soccer stars, they're artists. You have to let them improvise Basketball at its best. They call soccer the beautiful game because it is the great players, they just need opportunities. You just got to let Ronaldo do his thing, play out of structure from time to time. It doesn't mean you're blowing up structure. He you're not creating a precedent. Just Jayson Tatum's the best player. Dude, it's your ball. Next three just get to the basket, get to the line, get out of the culture in the system that's paralyzed by three. So again Tatum is such a nice guy and he is such a great collaborative player that I watch his body language. There are times it's like and by you can watch him put the ball on the deck and immediately beat his guy. He could get to the basket all night long. But he's going to play within the system. He's a Duke guy and he's a Celtic guy and the culture does work. But last night you got nine seconds left and it's again Jason just go get fouled. He's a brilliant player who I believe at times, not all the time but at times feels he's a little trapped by this three point culture that doesn't want mid range. I mean look at the shots. Fourth quarter and overtime. Look at the second half shots for the Celtics. I mean they just settle. That's what they do. That's why they never get to the free throw line. That's why the warriors before Jimmy, they don't get to the free throw line. Here's Tatum after How do you not.
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J. Mac
Let your frustrating with lack of calls prevent you from attacking if you don't.
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Joy Taylor
Think you're going to get a call.
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J. Mac
Is that connected at all? No, that don't connect. I mean it's the playoffs.
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Joy Taylor
Like.
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J. Mac
You know we probably should just play without the reps like we how physical it is. So you know that don't really cross cross my mind at all.
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Joy Taylor
By the way, Matt Stafford super bowl yeah, I'm not even a look where I'm throwing. Remember Sean McVay on the sidelines with Aaron Donald Aaron's gonna blow this play up. Lawrence Taylor sometimes Lawrence is going to line up where Lawrence wants to line up. I'm not anti structure but Jayson Tatum is can beat every guy, every wing in the league. He can beat off the dribble four out of five times. Sometimes I'm not looking for a three, I'm looking For a bucket. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news.
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J. Mac
This is the herd line news.
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Nick Wright
That's what caught me off guard a little bit there. Colin, I like you saying nice things.
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Joy Taylor
About you got to come into the show well rested. I keep you on your toes.
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Nick Wright
My guy, Jason Tatum. Well, let's go. Let's go to a guy. I don't know if you're in on him yet. Luka Doncic. He is a Los Angeles Laker. They lose in the first round. However, the Lakers are reportedly fully committed to Luka now ahead of a possible extension negotiation this summer. Luka's no longer eligible for that $345 million supermax, but he could still make for four year, 228 million dollar deal with the Lakers. Kyle, this feels like a no brainer. You get in the Luca business. Let's load up. Let's get him on a weight program perhaps, I don't know, get him on LeBron.
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Joy Taylor
Well, Anthony Davis. Give the Lakers credit. Anthony Dav. You know, to make fun of the dad bod. He. His last couple of years in la he was in great shape. He didn't, he wasn't injured. So I mean I tend to think the you age vary. You ever seen anybody that's like 60 years old and they look great? I don't have to see what they had for dinner. I know it was fish. I know they don't smoke or drink too much. Like you can watch an NBA player. Look at Dwyane Wade. I knew Dwyane Wade was really intentional with his diet and his body. Like, like you can even see to me, I don't know what he weighs, but Jokic looks in better shape this year than last and he's a better defender. Luka doesn't look like he's terribly intentional about the diet and being in the world's best shape.
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Nick Wright
Yeah, unfortunately that's fair. I will say the numbers that they split up with Luca and without him for the Lakers, shocker. Without Luca. They were actually kind of sort of good defensively is the one to watch. So everybody thinks like oh, Luca's so bad defensively. There was really no margin there.
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Joy Taylor
Well, that's because people score in the Lakers regardless because they don't have a rim protect.
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Nick Wright
They don't have a rim protect. Hey, the Knicks don't have a rim protector and the Celtics decided let's shoot 63. I don't know, I, I think the Lakers are gonna be fine again. Go get Miles Turner. Let's not trade Austin Reaves, let's not overreact. They're gonna be fine. Next up, another NBA story. Now, Colin, I firmly believe we should be doing Giannis as often as Aaron Rodgers because he is on the way out the door in Milwaukee according to Howard Beck of the ringer. And I need you to listen to this because Howard around a long time.
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Joy Taylor
You know, he has been around a.
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Nick Wright
Long time and not a newsbreaker but just a solid reporter. He's saying that it looks like early on Giannis could be headed to a big market team.
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Unknown
Here we go, the Damian Lillard conundrum where it's like maybe we should have moved off of him sooner. But you can't trade Damien Lillard unless he has to be traded. Oh, he has to be traded.
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Joy Taylor
Cool.
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Unknown
All right, well now let's move. I think it's the same thing with Milwaukee. Does Giannis ask out if he does, does he have a list? Some rumblings that it's already just the big cities. It's, it's, you know, one of the LA teams or one of the New York teams or maybe, you know, Miami. Not big market, but glamour market, mid sized market, I think, I think they threw Chicago in there. I can't remember if Houston came up. It should.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah, guys, it's Houston.
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Nick Wright
Houston makes sense. They have a lot of ammo.
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Joy Taylor
Oh, they've got four good young. Now they're going to want Shangoon and I would demand it. But Houston will make this work in a second. And by the way, if Houston would make it work, they would keep Amend Thompson for sure. But the truth is Milwaukee, when you give up a superstar, you're not going to win the trade. Right, but that doesn't mean when Milwaukee got red mid 70 as a lual center at the time, they were relevant for a decade because they got so much back. So Milwaukee is going to get a haul. Don't just get draft picks. Obviously you can't in the NBA because the salaries and don't just get players. You need a combination of both because draft picks miss in the NBA about 40, 50% of the time and players by the way are going to be asked to carry more of a low than they currently probably do in Houston. So you're asking young players to go to Milwaukee in a deal and now star where they're just supportive players and you don't know if they'll be stars. Will Jabari Smith, if you move it, would he be a star? Is he just gonna be a guy who's athletic?
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Nick Wright
Yeah, Houston's the play Houston clearly makes sense because of the trade capital. I'm sorry, I'm not buying this. LA teams. How the hell are the Clippers getting? Giannis? They have no ammunition. It's not happening. These teams, Miami, I know that's a luxury market, but they don't have anything. The cupboard is bare. They're not a good basketball.
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Joy Taylor
LA teams are not getting.
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Nick Wright
So that's the only reason I'm poking holes in this. I'm just telling you, don't rule out a team like the Orlando Magic. Colin. They've got some really good young players. The Wagner brothers are good. And a bunch of picks. Like, I don't buy the Brooklyn stuff. They just have nothing. But Houston obviously makes the most sense. If you can keep Amen Thompson, Shengun and Giannis, that's formidable. They got.
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Joy Taylor
Here's a kid from Greece. You don't think he'd like that Orlando and Houston weather? I mean, seriously, no state tax. Never.
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Nick Wright
Have you been to Greece?
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Joy Taylor
It's beautiful. I've seen pictures. It's very warm.
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Nick Wright
I thought you were Mr. Worldly Traveling.
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Joy Taylor
They had a hit song yesterday. You read to me that sounded like that. The music industry there needs an upgrade.
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Nick Wright
All right, the final story here is a Whopper.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Nick Wright
Okay. So Tyreek Hill is kind of sort of a crazy person. And he was asked by somebody who his top five quarterbacks in the NFL are, and he just happened to leave someone off the list. Here we go.
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Joy Taylor
Can I rank my top five quarterbacks? Lamar, Josh, Pat. Obviously, no. This is no order, by the way.
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Nick Wright
Baker Mayfield.
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Joy Taylor
And Joe B. So he's not two. Is not even the best quarterback in Florida. I'm surprised he didn't throw out Kyle Trask and Trevor Lawrence.
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Nick Wright
Listen, okay, so you and I went at it during the commercial break. Four guys are a lock. Okay? Four guys we know.
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Joy Taylor
I mean, the fact that Tyreek apparently playing and not watching the league. Yeah, Lamar, Josh Mahomes, Joe Burrow are a lock. Lock. Okay? Open for interpretation.
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Nick Wright
And that's why I'm okay if he said tua. That's my guy. That's my quarterback. We're gonna win the super. But he doesn't should hype your guy to main name Baker Mayfield a top five quarterback.
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Joy Taylor
Well, Baker is better than Tua does that.
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Nick Wright
I mean, you could look at it. Does Tyreek Hill want to go to Tampa? He wants out of Miami. He's made that clear.
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Joy Taylor
Right, right.
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Nick Wright
Multiple times. You don't want to go that far. He's got to stay in state to see all his 10 kids or whatever he has. No, I'm telling you, this is bad news if you're the Miami Dolphins. If you're to it right now, you're.
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Joy Taylor
Like, you know, it is interesting that he would mention Baker. I wouldn't be surprised because Baker's the kind of guy that would get on a phone and text him and go, whoa, get over here.
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Nick Wright
Yeah, Tampa's not that far from Miami. Like this would work out great for Tyree Kill. I just don't like any of the messaging coming out of Tyreek Hill in the golf if I'm Mike McDaniel. Well, listen, I just wonder if I'm looking to get the hell out.
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Joy Taylor
Gave it a run it by the way, it helped in the regular season to it established to as a franchise quarterback. Tyreek's a very good player. I there are, you know, I don't think in the AFC where all the good teams are cold weather teams, I don't think Tyreek Hill is a game changer in January. I've said this before. Nfc, a lot of the best teams are dome teams or, you know, it's, it's Los Angeles. It's, you know, I mean, you would.
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Nick Wright
Still have to go to Philly probably.
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Joy Taylor
Detroit's a dome team. But let's just be honest about the afc. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, it all starts there. Cincinnati is going to be good. I think New England's going to be improved. It's a lot of cold weather. And I just think Miami was a fun experiment and it did establish TUA as a franchise quarterback. So you got a lot out of it. The fan base loved him, but nothing grows to the sky.
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Nick Wright
I got to ask you. So we know the four locks at quarterback. Who's your fifth?
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Joy Taylor
Stafford. And then there is a guy who just CJ Stroud, Herbert.
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Nick Wright
There's a guy who just won the super bowl for the Eagles and went toe to toe with Mahomes a couple years ago.
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Joy Taylor
Live in the moment.
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Nick Wright
Jalen Hurts is not your fifth?
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Joy Taylor
No. Some people live in the moment. I don't.
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Nick Wright
Did I used to see CJ Stroud over Jalen Hurts?
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Joy Taylor
If I had to start a franchise today you take a shroud over Hurts. You do understand Hertz has the best online in a decade. The best receiving tandem, the best running back. I'd like to contextualize and I love Hertz, but he has the best online maybe in 20 years. Kind of remember how good Dak was when he had the best online. It's amazing how we're penalizing Hertz.
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Nick Wright
Now he's not because he has a great offensive line.
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Joy Taylor
I'm not penalizing. There's a bunch of great players in this league. There's 10 to 12 elite quarterbacks. He's one of them. But he's not better than Stafford today. Come on. What are we doing?
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Nick Wright
Wait, wait. He's like 10, 12 years younger than Stafford.
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Joy Taylor
You're a lot younger than me. What's it matter? Oh, oh.
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Nick Wright
He's firing shots. Okay.
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Joy Taylor
J. Mac with an X. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie. Okay, what I'm about to say, I'm not advocating that you should empty your 401k. Don't do that. Don't empty your 401k. It's quite a tax bill. And I'm not saying you shouldn't always have a horizon or your line on or your sight on the future. I'm not saying that. But when it comes to sports, sometimes these teams are busy preparing for the future. Just win now. Don't worry about the succession plan. So I was thinking about this with the Rams. Matt Stafford just finalized a new deal. 44 million a year, very team friendly. And Sean McVeigh, the head coach, smart guy, says, hey, I think I'd like to keep him around for a while. So he's 37 years old and the Rams have two first round picks next year. And my take is take the best offensive tackle and the best corner. Why do you have to take a quarterback? You think that guy's going to come in and be better than Matt Stafford in the next two to three years? Remember, Stan Kroenke is the richest owner. He'll just go overpay and buy the richest quarterback. And Sean McVeigh at 37 will squeeze every last ounce of juice out of Matt Stafford. Stafford's 37. Do you remember what Tom Brady did after turning seven? Four Super Bowls, three MVPs in Super Bowls. 47,000 yards throwing and 120 wins. And I'm not saying Stafford is Brady, but That's Tom Post 37. Why did the Patriots move off Brady? Was Tom the problem? The opposite. He was the life preserver in New England. The boat sank the minute he left. They couldn't draft Belichick, took over personnel and had a seven year stretch where he couldn't draft players. This whole thing about replacing Matt Stafford, think about this. If you think I'm wrong, think about the teams. Let's take Mahomes out of this. Who may be the most talented quarterback ever let's just take him out. I'm going to name quarterbacks, first round quarterbacks who were home runs, not A's, all time talent. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, C.J. stroud. Zero Super Bowls, one Super bowl appearance. Add all their years up. One Super bowl appearance, Joe Burrow and who to get beat by? Guy over my shoulder, Matt Stafford. This idea of the succession plan, I'm not saying the Rams can't take a quarterback in the third or fourth round next year or fifth round. Even if you got Drew Aller, how many years would Drew Aller, how many snaps in the NFL would he have to take until he was as good pre snap as Matt Stafford? That's four years. Stafford's one of the best pre snap guys in the league. He's on a short list of Peyton Manning, Brady Mahomes, pre snap getting yourself. He's a brilliant and he's also got one of the great natural arms in the league. So I mean it's different than Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. Colin, what about Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay? He was declining. He was a pain in the butt in his last year he had a losing record. Stafford is one play from getting to the NFC championship. So whenever I see like I see this. We do this all the time in sports. People have been trying to bury the warriors and Steph Curry for years. They tried to bury Brady forever. New England should have just kept Brady and Belichick should have hired a real GM and let him draft players. The vote sank the minute he left. If Steph Curry left tomorrow, warriors are done. I mean, how long have the Bulls been rebuilding post Jordan? Last dance. Last dance. How about you dance until I have to bring in an oxygen canister? The Bulls are still trying to replace Michael, The Dolphins are still trying to replace Marino. Denver had to go buy Peyton Manning to replace Elway and he was on his fourth neck surgery. When something is great in sports, we buried Tiger. Then he went another Masters, I mean Jack Nicklaus at the end. We do this in Hollywood. We're trying to find the next star who fills a theater. Tom Cruise. Everybody thinks Silicon Valley is all these 21 year old hipsters, all the big dogs, Zuckerberg, now 40s, 50s, 60s. So this idea that, oh, the succession plan for Matt Stafford. There isn't one. The Rams have virtually no chance to draft a quarterback. Not only not as good as Stafford or maybe not as close to as good as Stafford, that's how good he is. Because even the teams like Buffalo and Baltimore and Houston and the Chargers, all these teams at Cincinnati that have hit home runs, they're not getting the Super Bowls. They're that sometimes these teams last year, bro, didn't even make the playoffs. So Matt Stafford's deal is so reasonable for his talent. And I understood the Rams, you know, I talked to him. They didn't love this year's quarterback class and they think next year's is better. And by all means, if you're not going to get Arch Manning, they'll be too good. It doesn't matter. But if you can move up and say, and not have to give up one of your first round picks, but this idea that I'm going to give up two first couple of fives, a six to get my guy, just get Stafford better players. The Rams should have drafted a corner. They didn't. That's why they're interested in Jalen Ramsey. So those first two picks next year, go get the best corner. End of the first round, it's a very good corner. Draft, top of the first round, it's a very good offensive tackle. Draft. Those are the two positions they need and that's about it. This team's good enough to win a Super Bowl. Get them next year. They've got two first two fifths, 2, 6, 2, 7. If you want to move up, do it. But get guys who can play. Don't replace the guy who's as good as almost anybody in the sport. And again, I'm not saying, you know, spend your Roth, Ira. I'm not saying that. But when it comes to sports, like they're, they're Brady post 37 through for 47,000 yards. You're telling me if you got, if you use next year's draft, they didn't. They need a corner. And then you just got another high draft pick, offensive line, another tight end, another receiver. Just give Stafford better gifts instead of trying to replace him. It's a herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Unknown
Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in.
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Joy Taylor
The world of sports and pop culture.
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Unknown
Stories that, well, other shows don't seem.
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Joy Taylor
To have the time to discuss.
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Unknown
And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio. Maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Colin Cowherd
At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves.
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Joy Taylor
The number one pick in the NFL draft.
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Joy Taylor
They admitted they effed up.
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Joy Taylor
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Nick Wright
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Joy Taylor
The best Team in baseball no, I'm serious. The Cubs may be the best team in baseball. So me, my wife, she just asked me this morning, can you get me Cub tickets? I said, you, you picked the wrong year to get great Cub tickets for free. So the warriors and the T Wolf series starts tonight. So hear me out on this. Now I'm going to take Timberwolves in six. I I think they present the same problems Houston did in terms of depth and size and physicality. But they have smart veteran players who've been here before. Houston didn't and Houston froze. Minnesota's had too many clutch games this year. Too many clutch games last year, too many big playoff series. You get all the expertise and IQ of a veteran team and a big size and depth advantage. Plus, it's a great Staff, I like Minnesota in six, so. And I was saying this this morning, I want you to hear me out because you're gonna, you're gonna not believe this. I believe privately, once the NBA got the bag, $76 billion contract for 10 years. 11 years. Okay? Now it's up to the networks, it's up to Amazon, it's up to ESPN and abc. It's up to NBC to make money on that. That's not the NBA's problem. That money's guaranteed. Once they got their bag, once they signed that deal, Adam Silver is looking ahead to the next deal. NBC, you figure out how to make money back, maybe it's round ball rock. That's the answer. But that's up to you. We got ours guaranteed. And I think privately, if you asked Adam Silver who he wants to win this series, it would be Ant in Minnesota. When Michael left, this league didn't have a domestic star. And as the international players are taking over the league, once again, Jokic, best player in the world, best player on TV last night. Once again, Tatum doesn't have the riz. Ant has maximum riz. The aura, the smile, the aggressiveness, the game. He is the future. The NBA's had this before where they lean on their star and as the star ages, they don't have the next act. And last night was a great, watchable NBA night. And you know who wasn't on TV? LeBron or Steph. And the league was just fine. Everybody was just fine. What won't be fine is if you start renegotiating those deals with all your, you know, all your broadcasting groups in six to seven years and you don't have a domestic face. And the league is even more international because our basketball culture so messed up in this country, AAU and the European system is so much better at creating skillful, smart, focused players. I mean, the league wanted John Morant and Zion to be the face. They just weren't ready for it. Ant ready, the game, the aura, the staff, the coach, the collective, the roster. So I think privately, now that the NBA's got its money and it's a classic short term pain, Minnesota wouldn't get the rating this year that Golden State would. But if you could pick a team to beat Minnesota, it would be the warriors and Steph, that would be the team you'd pick. But right now, for him to knock, I mean, I was, I was looking here this morning, think about this. He's knocked out Kevin Durant before Devin Booker, Jokic, LeBron, Luka. Next up, Steph Curry in the last couple years, he is knocking out the stars of the league. That's how Michael became the face of it. That's how Shaq and Kobe remember Shaq and Kobe had Del Harris for years. They were very, very young. They couldn't get past the superior rosters. Then as they age, here comes Phil and they beat. You got to win titles, you got to get to championships to be the face of the league. I don't think the league needs a domestic face of the league. But it's ridiculous to argue. It doesn't help. You don't think Aaron Judge putting up ridiculous cartoon numbers. You don't think Rob Manfred loves a Yankee on pace to hit 420. So here's Steve Kerr on and yeah.
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J. Mac
And it's an amazing player. And I love his energy. I love his infectious enthusiasm for the game.
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Joy Taylor
You know, they are where they are.
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J. Mac
Because Matt is a superstar.
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Joy Taylor
Okay, so we got to talk about this again. And all year I kept saying, I, I just, I think Cleveland or Boston are going to win the championship. And I said yesterday, Denver's not getting swept. Denver's too good. Denver's got too many good players, too much size. Best player in the world. So one of the things you have to be careful of. I remember years ago, Derrick Rose and the Chicago Bulls were just crushing people in the regular season. Then they faced LeBron in the postseason. It's like, bye, bye, it's over. Not that I didn't think Derek was.
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Colin Cowherd
Great, but he wasn't.
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Joy Taylor
LeBron who shut him down as a big on a small, shut him down. So last night's a prime example. I think OKC would have been better playing in Denver. Huge favorite at home. Worlds watching, they got totally tight. Chad Holmgren shoots 78% from the free throw line. Dude missed a pair late and looked nervous and they coached nervous and they played nervous. And Denver didn't. Because Denver's been in these games before. Just think of all the big games that Jokic, Murray Westbrook and Aaron Gordon have been in. How many big games is SGA been in? How many big games is Chet Holmgren been in? It's not that many. And so. And also when you blow out people over the regular season, and we've seen this before in other sports, One of the reasons it was a huge advantage for the Kansas City Chiefs last year. Now they got worked in the super bowl, but they played in so many close games. They were really good in close games. And a team like Baltimore or Detroit, by the way, who the last couple of years have been blowing people out. Oh, now we trail late. Well, Kansas City trailed all the time late. Huge advantage. So here's sga, you know, Chet Holmgren. Dude, that's a bad miss. That's not a rattler. That's not. Look at this thing. Those are bad misses. Here's sga after.
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J. Mac
We're gonna find out what we're made of. We're really made of. And we can expect it to be smooth sailing this whole journey. No journey in life is. And we know that. And today is a bump in her own unexpected. No one expects to lose, especially that way. But it's the game of life. So it's about how you respond to getting to getting knocked down. And that's what we gotta do next game.
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Joy Taylor
Playoff basketball is similar to parenting. You can read all the books. You can ask your friends who have kids. You have no idea what it's like to have kids before you have kids. And you can talk about playoff games, and you can talk about the drama. Okc, they got tight. They gagged. They just weren't ready for the room. They would have been better playing in Denver. They all. Everybody's wearing shirts in the arena except the announcers. They were joking about that. And they got tight. So you just don't know until you have a kid. And you just don't know what the playoffs are like until you played as a huge favorite. Everybody wearing your giveaway shirts at home against world champions. The best player in the world. They're older, they're wiser, they're bigger. And you've never been there before. You can go to YouTube and watch all the MJ highlights until you've been there. Until you've been 11ft away on the green on 18 and Masters on Sunday. You don't know. You can watch all the highlights you want. You don't know. J. Mac, Denver.
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Nick Wright
You just triggered a memory. I remember our firstborn. You know, we're in the hospital, and you're in there for like, 24 hours, 48 hours. And then like, all right, here's your kid.
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Joy Taylor
See ya.
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Nick Wright
And I remember walking out of the hospital like, oh, my gosh, what do I do now? Can I handle this?
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Joy Taylor
You don't want to drop it.
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Nick Wright
Dude, I was so nervous. I was like, I'm in charge of a kid. It was terrifying. But, yeah, you're right. No, that's. That's one of your better analogies in 2025.
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Joy Taylor
Well done. Yeah, well, it's good you're on a heater.
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Nick Wright
I had somebody text me. Did Colin just say Aura and Riz? And I was like, yeah, I said maximum, Riz, maximum.
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Joy Taylor
So I can, I can use Riz in a sentence. I'm not just a guy thrown out lit to pretend I'm cool. I'm throwing stuff out. You know, I'm, I'm throwing stuff out in the middle of paragraphs.
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Nick Wright
I met your daughter before. Can you get her to listen to the show? I just need some young person feedback on Riz and Aura. My son will not be listening.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. All right. Hour two Nick Wright. My latest NFL predictions.
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Colin Cowherd
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