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Colin Cowherd
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Alex Curry
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Jason McIntyre
Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hello and welcome to the Herd. It's a lovely Friday here on the herd. Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. He is gallivanting in Chicago. You'll probably see him on a beach playing volleyball or sightseeing in Chicago. Doing whatever one does in Chicago. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. We have breaking news. Alex. Yes.
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Rick Bucher
We just start the show right as we sat down. It's like, oh, we're about to shake everything up.
- [03:09]
Jason McIntyre
Last time we did this, Michael Malone got fired. Yes. The Nuggets coach, we were like, what the heck's going on? Now Greg Popovich stepping down as the spurs head coach.
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Rick Bucher
So every time we're in, we get like, head coach in the NBA. Breaking news.
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Jason McIntyre
Something's going. I don't think J.J. redick's gonna get fired. I think probably safe.
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Rick Bucher
I'm still recovering from that.
- [03:29]
Jason McIntyre
That was brutal, traumatic to LA people out here. Well, Alex is a real LA person. I've just been here for almost nine years. Anyways, we got a fantastic Friday show for you. Obviously, the Greg Popovich news is huge. We will get to that. But I got to start with what went down last night in the NBA. Listen, sometimes talking about the NBA, we get caught up in what's next, right? Where's Kevin Durant going to go this off season? Who's going to trade for Giannis? Hey, does anybody want Trey Young? We get caught up in looking ahead and sometimes we miss what's right in front of us. And folks, last night we had a tremendous basketball game. Knicks Pistons. And my main man, Jalen Brunson takes over late. An absolute thriller hits the game. Winning three. A walk off series winner with four seconds left. Let's, without further ado, let's get right to the call. Ian Eagle on tnt.
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Alex Curry
Thompson kicking in defensively.
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Jason McIntyre
Eight seconds.
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Alex Curry
Brunson stops at a time, launches.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, yeah. Jalen Brunson buries it. Knicks lead by three. The Brunson burner ignited. The Brunson burner ignited. What a call. Now, listen, in my house watching this, you guys know I was born in New York. I like to flex and talk about that. I was going crazy. I mean, I'm with the. The kids are there in the background trying to do homework. I'm like, this is more important. Brunson with a snatchback. And. And I said it to my kids at the time, listen, guys, some things are just true, right? Sinatra, born to sing. Hendrix, born to play the guitar. Jalen Brunson, born for clutch basketball moments. He just last week was announced the clutch NBA Player of the Year award. He shot an unbelievable 64% in the final 30 seconds of games this year. It's just what he does. And as a longtime Knicks fan, right, I was became a Knicks fan in the, in the Patrick Ewing era, right? You had Alan Houston was tremendous. Charles Oakley, everybody loved the oak tree. John Starks was one of my favorite players. Obviously I love Jeremy Lin for like, you know, the eight minutes he was running the show in New York. Yes, I did like Carmelo Anthony a lot. But the reality is Jalen Brunson at this point is rapidly climbing like best Knicks player ever. He's on that list and rising. I know, I know. Willis Reed won a championship. I think it was the ice age. I'm not sure, Alex. It could have been the horse and buggy era when Willis Reed won that championship. But let's be real, Brunson's doing it now, and he is. I think what we love about him is that a lot like Steph Curry, right? Steph Curry, an undersized player below the rim, and he's just dominating and unstoppable. Brunson is similar, right? In an era of high flying dunks and ridiculous athleticism, here's this, you know, six foot one guard with a killer mid range who's kind of simultaneously impossible to guard and impossible to not root for. Even if you're not a Knicks fan. Everything about Brunson screams, man, I love this guy. So the Detroit crowd had been getting on his case all series. They're chanting flopper, flopper. And one of our guys in the morning meeting said there was a billboard erected in Detroit that called him a mother flopper. Listen, the Detroit fans were riding Brunson hardall series. So when you watch that video, you see after the three turns to the crowd puts up, you know, the three fingers to signal. I just hit a three and blows a kiss to the Detroit crowd. Hey, guys, have a great off season. Enjoy it. Here's my 40 piece. We'll be moving on to play the celtics. Here's Tom Thibodeau after the game talking about that nasty snatchback by Brunson and splashing the three jalen shot. What can you say, you know, timely. You know, he's at his best when his best is needed. He's done it all year. That's what makes them special. The Knicks Pistons series guys, by the way, last four games, Knicks won by two, Knicks won by one, Pistons won by three. Knicks one by three in an absolute thriller. Now I will say the victory pushes the Knicks to the next round. And Like, I'll open with. Let's. Let's pump the brakes on the next round, okay? Let's enjoy, let's relish, let's roll around in this Knicks victory, this awesome series win. We've got all weekend. Game 1 against the Celt 6 is not until Monday. So while you're watching the Kentucky Derby or if you're at Beach Life Festival out here on the West Coast, Alex will be there, I'll be there. Like, if. Just enjoy the Knicks win, I might wear my Patrick Ewing jersey tomorrow to this festival. Like, I'm gonna enjoy it. And you know why? Because the Celtics kind of own the Knicks. They swept them this year, 4, 0, and last year they won four out of five games. Knicks have lost eight of nine to Boston. I thought the matchup would be good. I'm not so sure anymore. Knicks really struggled against Detroit, but enjoy it, right? Let's relish that. The Knicks won. They're moving on. Jalen Brunson is a superstar now. I'm going to pivot and defend an embattled coach. And that would be one JJ Redick. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry, but I cannot understand the media and the fans piling on JJ Redick as if he's the reason the Lakers lost to the Minnesota Timberwolves in five. Yes, I was shocked. Yes, Vegas was surprised. The Lakers are favorites. But the heat that JJ Redick has taken, I'm just. I don't know where it's go. I feel like it's misplaced. My buddy with the season tickets text me that. His son, who's in the same grade as my son, we gotta fire JJ Redick. People are out on Reddick, folks. Listen, there's a lot here to chew on, but I'm going to start here. So Reddick obviously took heat for playing his entire starting lineup the full second half of game four. Must win season on the line. So Redick was asked about it leading up to game five, and the press conference got a little terse, in case you forgot. Here's what went down. Is there an assistant or someone maybe that you'll lean on tonight? Maybe to try to get, you know, some other guys involved if that opportunity presents. Are you saying that because I'm. I'm inexperienced and that was an inexperienced decision that I made? Do you think I don't talk to my assistants about substitutions every single timeout? No, I just think there's a lot.
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Colin Cowherd
Of coaches lean on their assistance in those situations.
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Alex Curry
As do I, every single time.
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Jason McIntyre
That's a Weird assumption. Now listen, if you know the history of J.J. redick, this is not a major surprise. I happen to grow up largely in Virginia, and J.J. redick was a big time high school player playing in like a two, totally small town. And he was cocky as hell. I mean, this guy was so arrogant. He goes to Duke, Everybody hated him. He would, you know, flex on the crowd, let everybody know like, he's just a winner. He's a money player. And I believe he's got the chops to be a great coach. Now, he is a little combative. He's not backing down from anybody. You know, that's what kind of made him a great player. You know, a not super athletic, you know, white guy who's not that big, going in the NBA, having a long career and being a great player. Like he's, he's gonna give it back to you. And I kind of defend him on playing his starting or his best five the entire second half of game four. Now, yes, the Lakers did wilt in the, in the clutch moments in that series, unlike Jalen Brunson, because that series against Minnesota was close. Remember the final three games. Game 3, 4 minutes left is a tie game. And the lakers faded. Game four, Lakers up by two with 90 seconds left despite playing everybody for the entire second half. And they were leading with 90 seconds left. And then in game four, they're down three after a Rui Hachimura three with again 90 seconds left. So don't act like JJ Redick cost them the series because he didn't bring in Gabe Vincent for two minutes in the second half. And that's the thing I got to push back on. Guys, let's forget when the Lakers traded AD for Luka Doncic. They were like, you know, not a lot to be the three seed they were looking at. Oh, could they be four? Could they slide to the play in? This was a work in progress. And even then, the Lakers bench wasn't great. Sure, Dalton Connect would have a game where he goes for 25, but that's in the regular season against like the spurs, okay, or the Hornets, okay, Dalton Connect wasn't lighting it up in games that matter. And so, yeah, I'm upset that he didn't play, but maybe he wasn't built for this yet. He's a rookie. Who's he defending? You guys are getting on Lucas Case, Dalton, can I get to defend guys like. I like Gabe Vincent as much as the next guy, but Gabe Vincent, Jackson, Hayes, Vando, these guys were not totally ready to play in a High leverage spot against a Minnesota team that everybody undervalued. So I do believe Reddick is getting a bit of a raw deal here. So the Lakers trade for Luca, they get, like, what, 25 games with Luka and LeBron to work out the kinks. You know what they say in the playoffs, coaches play seven, but trust six. Well, JJ Played five and trusted five. He couldn't go to his bench. And, you know, we got Reddick talking after the season was over about the conditioning or lack thereof of some of his players. You could guess who he's talking about here, the work that's required in an off season to be in championship shape.
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Colin Cowherd
And, you know, we.
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Jason McIntyre
We have a ways to go as a roster, and certainly there are individuals that were in phenomenal shape. There's certainly other ones that could have been in better shape. That's where my mind goes immediately, is. Is, you know, we. We have to get in championship shape. I mean, that's extremely well said. Notice Redick didn't do this after game three or after game four. You don't want to do that with your superstar in the middle of a series. This is Smart by JJ Redick. Hey, guys, this is the reality. The roster stinks. Pelinka, can you get on it? And LeBron, you're in great shape. Luka, you're not. It's a reality. Like, you guys know I'm a huge Luka fan. I said he was the best player in the league for basically the last three years. Obviously not this year because he was injured and missed, like, 30 games or what have you, but, yeah, he wasn't in great shape. He wasn't a great defender. And now Reddick's letting him know that's coaching. Like, that's. Do you want him to rip Luka Doncic three months into his Lakers tenure in the middle of a series that they're losing now? There was a report that Reggie Miller met with Reddick before the game. As the announcers do the. What's up? And he's like, I had to calm J.J. redick down. Well, you know, listen, Reggie Miller, I'm not going to besmirch his name. Yeah, he blocked me on social media, like, five years ago for calling him out. I'm not going to rip the guy, but, like, what are you trying to do? Why does it have to be about you, Reggie? Nobody cares about the announcers, man. They don't. It's about Reddick. Was he probably rattled? Yeah, it's his first playoff series. You think he was just a Little bit shook that the favored Lakers, who were awesome to end the regular season, suddenly found themselves in a big hole to Julius Randall and Rudy Gobert. Yeah, I think he was probably a little bit rattled, but can we take a deep breath? I want to remind you guys real quick, when the Dallas Mavericks traded for Kyrie Irving mid season, they didn't make the playoffs. They had to tank at the end when they had no defense to keep their pick and get Derek Lively out of Duke. Then they retooled the roster with P.J. washington and Daniel Gafford, and look, they got to the finals. So the Lakers, you can see the parallels, trade for Luka Doncic. They did not tank. They thought they could make a run. I thought they could make a run. Everybody did. It didn't work out. Now you retool the roster in the off season. How is this so hard to figure out? Can we just lay off J.J. redick? My God, I can't believe I got to open the show defending the Lakers. So, Alex, I don't know. Where are you on the Lakers? Like, it was. It was a weird moment for Lakers fans this week.
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Rick Bucher
I think we all got excited seeing the potential of what the Lakers can really be, right? Because we got a couple games of the best of LeBron and Luka together, absolutely taking control of the game and of teams that they're facing. But again, you mentioned this as you. You have to remember, Luka was injured for a good chunk of this season. You gave up a lot of your roster to get Luca, and they got exposed in the playoffs. Your roster gets exposed, your weak spots get exposed in the playoffs. And they did. I think they did the best that they could, but this is going to be a very closely watched offseason. And now just imagine an entire healthy off season of Luka now being in the same city as LeBron and maybe training with LeBron, who was like, the top tier, take care of your body, spend a million dollars on your body to be in the best shape possible. To go through that kind of a boot camp and then come back as ready as he can be for the Lakers next year is obviously what you have to keep your eye on and look for. Again, as a Laker fan, I was delusional and I got totally drawn into like, oh, they can do it. But no, it's like they only play 25 games together.
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Jason McIntyre
I think LeBron, like, probably going to take passport so he can't go back overseas and hang out the way Yogic does.
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Rick Bucher
No, he's. He's going to stay here. They're going to train together. LeBron, you know, he did his normal like I got to talk to the family, see what's going to happen after the game. No, LeBron's coming back. He's going to try to run for it, at least for another year with Luca and it's going to be awesome.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, coming up next, are the NBA playoffs too physical? Did you see what went down last night with Denver and the Clippers? That's next.
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Alex Curry
Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Jason McIntyre
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1.1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
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Alex Curry
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Jason McIntyre
Welcome back. Got Rick Bucher here in studio in about 20 minutes. He's going to be doing a victory lap after the Lakers were eliminated. You know Rick and Lebron and their bromance. We'll talk about Gregg Popovich stepping down as coach of the Spurs. What does it mean for Wembanyama, if anything? We'll do that with in her line shortly. But I gotta quickly talk about Clippers nuggets last night. Not it's been a good series, not great. And you know I'm not gonna get on Kawhi Leonard's case because he missed a free throw late and blew the COVID Clippers won by six. The line was six. No thanks, Kawhi. But funny thing happened in the game. If you watched it closely. Nikola Jokic, that large Gentleman behind me 42 minutes, shot a whopping two free throws. Yeah, his coach was not happy about it afterward. Take a listen.
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Alex Curry
Nicola gets fouled a lot. I'm not sure what was happening tonight.
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Jason McIntyre
But for him to shoot two free.
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Alex Curry
Throws with the amount of contact that.
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Jason McIntyre
Was gone going on out there was absolutely crazy.
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Alex Curry
They put Smalls on him.
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Jason McIntyre
Those Smalls were allowed to do whatever they want. So I'm really excited for Saturday that we're going to be able to do the same thing with their best players at interim coach, you're not getting the respect of the refs the way Phil Jackson used to do that. So, you know, Calhoun and I occasionally will get sparring about certain topics and the whole physicality of the NBA playoffs. That's one that he's hot on. He loves it. He loves. Oh, it's like 90s basketball all over again. It's fantastic. News flash, that product sucked. There's a reason the NBA changed the rules. Because the games devolved into unwatchable drek. Nobody wants to see guys fighting. This is not the movie Gladiator, guys. I'm sorry. It's basketball. Let the skilled artisans go to work and yeah, we'll get to Steph Curry shortly. Okay. Look at. They put together a montage of all the beefs that have happened in the NBA playoffs. I love heated basketball. I'm not going to use this as a referendum to talk about how much I love playing basketball. But yeah, listen, game point, you're not scoring on me. I will foul you. You're not scoring on me. And that I, I get that mentality. But what I don't get is Jokic, who's attacking the basket all night long, attempts two free throws. The Nuggets, as a team shot nine. And they weren't just bombing threes. They only shot 27 threes. The Mavs, by the way, shot 47 the other night, missed 40. We cannot let this play continue. I get it, guys. I, I totally understand you, like physical in your face skirmishes all the time. I mean, Detroit Knicks was fascinating, but, like, it's not visually appealing basketball. Do you remember what happened in the 90s? The Bulls and Jazz played a playoff game in the finals. I think it was like 90 to 68. Okay, go look at some of those scores. Teams were scoring in the 60s and 70s because it's like just battles left and right. You can't get to the basket. Everybody's got a foot in the paint and they're just fouling the hell out of everybody. That's not fun. Have you guys seen the movie Cable Guy? Jim Carrey? Absolute classic. If you've not seen it, I demand that you watch it this weekend. There is a scene where Jim Carrey, who is the cable guy, is playing basketball and he calls, hey, that's a travel. We gotta call that. They're like, what are you talking about? No. And Jim Carrey goes, oh, we're playing prison rules. I see how it is. And then they go into this like, jim Carrey's fouling the hell out of people. And it's like, come on, guy. And that's kind of how I feel the NBA's been in the regular season, they call everything everything. It was like, a little too much. You couldn't breathe on somebody without a foul being called. But they've swung the pendulum far too much in the playoffs where they called nothing. I mean, do you want to see Bobby Portis and Halliburton going at it every time down the court? Do you want to see Dillon Brooks and Jimmy Butler get in a fight? Because that's what's next. Warriors, Rockets tonight. I'm telling you, Draymond Green loves to go after European centers. He don't pick on American guys. He'll go after Euros. Him and Shen Goon have gotten into it. We're close to an altercation. It's been brewing. And it's. It's funny because when I talked about this a few weeks ago, you're like, jay, you're crazy. No way. We love it, guys. People are starting to see, like, this is not great basketball. Jokic. And again, I. I had a Clippers ticket last night. I got the push. Jokic twice in the final 90 seconds, goes at Zubas and gets pretty clearly foul one across the arm. The second was more of a questionable across the arm. And Jokic puts his arms up like, where's the call? And he got nothing. And like, I. I don't know. I call fouls. Can we not have body check? Basketball, which is a game my brother and I invented in our basement growing up, where anything goes, you know, we're just body checking each other. My parents didn't want to get drywall because they knew we put holes in the wall. So he had, like, that kind of ugly wood. Wood, fake wood paneling. I know a bunch of guys had it in the 80s, and anything goes. And I feel like that's what's happening in the NBA. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see Steph Curry getting fouled every time he shoots the ball. And that's happening. Here's Steve Kerr talking about it. Players are going to do whatever they're allowed to do. And so after every. On every release, you know, Steph's getting. Getting hit, but it's basically within the rules. So that's how the league wants it, right? Now. And, you know, I know we got 30 coaches who all think it's. It's just idiotic that we allow this.
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J.J. Redick
So players all over the league are.
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Jason McIntyre
Just taking shots at guys shooting hands after release because they know it's not going to be a foul. I mean, he's not wrong. And you hear the part about 30 coaches around the league are upset with this. So I'll wrap up with this. So whatever era you're born in, you love that culture, music, movies. This is just a peek into how strange of a human I am. So we went on a flight to Japan. You know, it's like 11 hours or whatever. What movies do I fire up? Well, I've seen a lot of them. Let me fire up Back to the Future. Oh, I love that movie soundtrack. Epic. I'll fast forward to the good scenes, but I could watch that movie on a loop. And I didn't stop there. I love 80s movies and music. I fired up Karate Kid after that. I'm not even kidding. And I fast forwarded to where the Cobra Kaiser would beat up Daniel and that Daniel got revenge. And I am dead serious when I say this. When he pulls off the Crane kick and Mr. Miyagi gives the nod, I almost cry. I swear, I love that scene, that movie. I love 80s movies. I loved 80s basketball at the time. I don't like it now. Go back and try to watch it, guys. And like, we talked about this in the morning meeting. You know, there's a bunch of young guys on the staff, bunch of 90s dudes. I'm not calling anybody out.
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J.J. Redick
I love.
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Jason McIntyre
These guys are nice. And they're like, oh, I love 90s music. It's the best. I was like, man, I go to pick up basketball games and whoever has the music is usually a 90s guy. And it's all Soundgarden, Green Day, what they listen to when they were growing up. Okay, I can only take so much Red Hot Chili Peppers when I'm playing basketball. Sorry, guys. So this applies to the NBA too. You guys love physical basketball growing up because you were nine years old and you're watching guys choke out one another and fight and throw punches. That's not where we are today. That's not what the NBA should be. I'm sorry, Adam Silver. Friggin get a hold of this. Let's go to Alex Curry with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line. News rant over.
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Rick Bucher
No, we call those comfort movies. Like, you have comfort TV shows and you have comfort Movies, that's what you go to. And it makes you feel good if you're in a bad mood or something, like a kid.
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Jason McIntyre
Like Growing Pains.
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Rick Bucher
I have. So I am like elf. Almost famous. Crazy Rich Asians are my three.
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Jason McIntyre
You're a little younger than I am, by the way.
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Rick Bucher
Crazy Rich Asians, Sneaky Good is my favorite airplane movie.
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Jason McIntyre
I like that.
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Rick Bucher
Every time I get on an airplane, that's what I want.
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Jason McIntyre
Do you want to go on the airplane like they did with the shower?
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Rick Bucher
Come on. All right, let's start with the breaking news though, because the San Antonio spurs have announced that Greg Popovich has stepped down from his head coaching position, transitioning to be full time president of basketball operations. I'll pop suffered a mild stroke on November 2nd of last year and never came back to coach. Popovich has been involved with the spurs front office since May 1994 and had served as the head coach of the organization. Now, J. Mac, I think we all kind of knew this was going to happen sooner than later since his health issues that happened this season. But at the end of the day, it's the end of a legendary era for the spurs also in a very respectful way where he's still going to be a part of the organization, but now it's time for them to find that next leader of the organization. I mean, his resume is absolutely insane. He's one of the greatest of all time. 29 seasons as the head coach, 22 straight winning seasons, 5 NBA championships, 3 NBA coach of the year, Olympic gold medal, Basketball hall of Fame. Like it's, he's, he's checking all, all the boxes. Where do you rank him as like all time?
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Jason McIntyre
Certainly top five coach of all time. I mean, I'm sure you could make a case that he's, he's number one, depending on how far back you want to go. Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach, you know.
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Rick Bucher
Yeah, depending that's who's above him in championships. You got Phil with 11, Red with 9, and then Greg tied with Pat Riley with 5. So. I mean.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, again, all time.
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Alex Curry
Great.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm curious, what do you think this means for Wembanyama?
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Rick Bucher
I mean, he's young enough. They're going to have to find the right fit.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, that's the thing.
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Rick Bucher
We've seen it with so many star players. It work and not work and Pop, it. You can't compare anybody to Pop because he's such a. In a league of his own and such a legendary coach. And it's very. Been there for decades. So they Got their work cut out for them.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. My guess is Popovich will still have his fingerprints over everything.
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Rick Bucher
Well, yeah, he's president of basketball operation, so he's going to help find his replacement.
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Jason McIntyre
And you know, this is kind of a pivotal year, year three for Wemby. I just looked at the draft, so they have the 8th best odds to get Cooper flag. They also have the 14th pick from Atlanta. Obviously Cooper flag will be nice. Then there's going to be talk about Giannis. We'll get to Giannis later. Like, dude, the spurs have some ammunition to go maybe get him. You give up everything but Wemby and you know, Castle rookie of the year. It's. It's going to be an interesting offseason. I would put the spurs top five team in the offseason to watch.
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Rick Bucher
Keep an eye on.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Coach Wemby. You know, they'll have the full De'Aaron Fox situation. He. He's a good player.
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Rick Bucher
Interesting stuff in San Antonio transition and end of a legendary era. But now like you got to feel excited for the future because you have star.
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Jason McIntyre
And how about star player Pop, LeBron, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, that whole era. I mean the last 20 years of the NBA defined by those guys. Well, we'll go 15.
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Rick Bucher
Okay.
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Jason McIntyre
And. And they're all kind of near the end.
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Rick Bucher
We're in the last year or two or so or you know, couple, couple. It's okay. It's. It's.
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Jason McIntyre
It happens.
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Rick Bucher
It's the natural transition. Okay, let's move to the NFL. Shador Sanders slide down. The draft board was historic and now players are speaking out about it. Second year Giants wide receiver Malik Neighbors spoke about the quarterback being a fifth round pick.
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Colin Cowherd
We all made different.
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Jason McIntyre
So for them to judge him on just the things that he say or how you carry himself, bro. How you carry himself is all about how his dad raised him and designed. And they know Dion. We all know Dion. Come on. We all know Dion. They was just doing that just, just to, you know, to show how they bigger than what he wanted to stand for. So for them to do that, bro, I have. I lost a little bit of respect.
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Rick Bucher
Yeah. I'm kind of with Malik on this one. The whole situation is still a little fishy to me. Like even if he's not a first round pick, he definitely wasn't a fifth round pick. And I just think people were getting too much of their feelings and going around the narrative of what the media was smart spinning about his, his cockiness and his confidence. And personally I don't have an issue with a young superstar who you are drafting to be a leader on your team having that kind of confidence because you're going to need that to be a leader in a room. I just again, we don't know what was going on in these interviews. We don't know what was happening in these war rooms, in these draft rooms, what the conversations were, what were happening. But from what we see, he's never done anything wrong off the field. He seems like a stand up guy. Yeah. Okay. He has confidence. I, I don't think there's any issue with that. And he's a good player. He is a good player.
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Jason McIntyre
The incessant branding stuff, it seems a bit much. Just be legendary. I just saw it as he was running to the pool has like be legendary on the ground.
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Rick Bucher
But that's what I got. What NIL is now and that's what the social media now, that's what these young, these young athletes are making millions of.
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Jason McIntyre
This. Alex, that can be your brand. Great. I don't want that on my football team. People are within their right to say that right now. Let me ask Malik. Neighbors saying let for them to let him slide. I lost a bit of respect.
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Rick Bucher
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
He plays for a team that let Shador slide and then traded back in for Jackson. Dart.
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Rick Bucher
Yeah. So a little bit of a jab.
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Jason McIntyre
Is he throwing shade at his own.
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Rick Bucher
Or kind of right?
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Jason McIntyre
I think so. For sure.
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Rick Bucher
Yeah, it felt that way.
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Jason McIntyre
And so if the Giants hear that and they're like, oh, that's, that's great. That's our, our superstar. We already dealt with this with Odell Beckham.
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Rick Bucher
I mean he hasn't, he did not have a good situation last year. Let's just put it that way.
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Jason McIntyre
No, not at all.
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Rick Bucher
He hasn't. They haven't like shown him the winning ways that they are a winning way kind of a team yet. They got a lot of proof this year. I don't blame him for that comment.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me go back to the branding thing. And you are right because even the fourth stringer in New York, the guy. Yes. Tommy, Tommy Cutlets, whatever his name is, he would do that. Italian.
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Rick Bucher
DeVito.
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Jason McIntyre
DeVito.
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Rick Bucher
There you go.
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Jason McIntyre
He would do that to brand.
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Rick Bucher
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, this is me. And then you put on T shirts and all that crap. So I get it.
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Rick Bucher
That's what it is.
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Jason McIntyre
That's.
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Rick Bucher
That's the era we are living in. You are your own brand. But he's like a brand.
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Jason McIntyre
He. He's. He's a nobody. Sorry. DeVito. He's not a factor.
- [34:39]
Rick Bucher
I was like, he got like his.
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Jason McIntyre
One shot about Shador.
- [34:42]
Rick Bucher
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
Like, you want to be a starter. Yes. Are you putting your brand above the team? Be legendary? Are you going to like celebrate? I, I don't know.
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Rick Bucher
I think he was being confident also. Like, his teammates love him. There was nothing bad you, like, nobody could say anything bad about him. So this was all personal opinions getting in the way of someone's work.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me ask you, did, did nobody say anything bad about him because they were afraid. Afraid of repercussions from Dion. Remember Dion at Colorado straight up went to guys and was like, hey, you're not good enough. Hit the portal. I wonder if NFL teams are like, I don't need Dion going on social media blasting us.
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Rick Bucher
No, no. I mean, you know what you're getting. Like, Dion is one of the all time greats. Like you like that is. He is who he is and he raised a great human.
- [35:28]
Jason McIntyre
That's a fact.
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Rick Bucher
And that's, that's, that's the part that like this whole thing just seems fishy to me. But let's, let's talk about Sanders former teammate because the Jags made a splash early in the draft, trading up to take wide receiver and cornerback Travis Hunter. Jacksonville intends to work Hunter in on the offensive side of the ball first, but the second overall pick had some of the shortest odds to win both offensive and defensive rookie of the year. Now, I love that they're going to let him cook and, and let him play both sides, but I mean, he's definitely going to be ranked as their best cornerback and probably a top like 2, 3 of their wide receivers. But if you had to pick which one do you think he's more likely to win offensive or defensive for kid.
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Jason McIntyre
Of the year, I would go offensive. That's a much better chance. Defense? No way. Offense will catch a lot of passes. Yeah, Jags defense ain't great. They'll be trailing. I mean, you could catch 70 balls for a thousand yards.
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Rick Bucher
They said they intend to work him on the offensive side of the ball first. So that means he's probably going to get a little more, a little more time at wide receiver.
- [36:33]
Jason McIntyre
Offense sells tickets and I think they need that in Jackson.
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Rick Bucher
Defense wins championships.
- [36:37]
Jason McIntyre
They're not.
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Rick Bucher
Offense sells tickets.
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Jason McIntyre
Alex with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. All right, game six tonight, can the warriors close out the Rockets? And coming up next, we'll talk to the only guy in America. That's what it says here on the script I'm just reading. Who picked the Timberwolves to beat the Lakers? That's next.
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Alex Curry
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Jason McIntyre
All right, back here on the herd, Rick Bucher joining us in studio. Rick doing his victory lap. Congratulations, my man. You love the Timberwolves and Ant look pretty good. But let's start with your guy. Greg Popovich just announced recently he is stepping down within, I guess the last hour. Stepping down as coach of the spurs. He's kicked up to the front office, which he's familiar with. And you guys have known each other for decades.
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J.J. Redick
Yeah, I'm trying to come to grips with this news because there's probably no NBA head coach that I knew on a more personal basis over the years. I mean, he was. He was an assistant coach with the warriors when I started my career. And over the course of him going to San Antonio and running the show there, obviously had a lot of opportunity to be around that team, covering their various players. Tim, Manu, Tony, etc. But Pop was always welcoming, and whenever we ran into each other, he was always. First thing he would ask me is about my family, my kids. It was always on a. On a very personal level. The.
- [42:23]
Alex Curry
The.
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J.J. Redick
The cantankerous Pop that you saw, I saw completely other side when. When we weren't in front of a camera. One of them, I have so many touch points with him, with him. But one of them was I was doing sideline on a game, and I said, you know, before the game, I said, pop, listen, just tell me what. Can I ask that. It's not like you're not going to. You're going to give me some answers. And he goes, well, what do. What do you mean? I go, pop, every time we're on air for the. For the sideline in between quarter interview, it looks like you're eating glass. Like, can we just find a way? Like, can we just be like this? And he's like, you know what? I'm sorry, I will. Okay. And so we get to the first quarter, and the camera comes over and the light goes on, and I can just see him change. I can just feel it. And sure enough, he was a bastard, the same way he always was in those interviews. And, you know, and that's just the way. That's just the way he was. But, you know, as a person, and obviously, I'm still going to see him, but the idea that I'm not going to see him on the sidelines anymore. And one of the things that really, I asked him, we had a conversation shortly before he had the stroke, the first stroke, and I said, why are you still doing this? Because you're a world traveler, you have so many interests, like, you don't need to do this anymore. You've got all the money that you need. And one, he. He said, you know, since he'd lost his wife, like, what? I'm just going to go home and look at the wall? He said, I have plenty of time in the off season to do those things. And the other part was he wanted to get Victor Wembanyama off on the right foot. If you remember, early on in the season, Chet Holmgren was the rookie of the year because or candidate. Everybody was behind that because he was playing with a lot more freedom than Victor was. Well, meanwhile, Victor and Pop were in the lab, were in the gym and they're like, we're going to get your footwork down and we're going to get your fundamentals down before we start to open up the game to you. And sure enough, that's what he did. Now he did, he did that with so many players. It's, it is, it is a sad like, feels like a shift in the NBA universe to think that Greg Popovich is no longer going to be a head coach.
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Jason McIntyre
It's probably too early, but I'll ask it anyway. Do you think this impacts in any way, shape or form their chances of going after Giannis this offseason?
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J.J. Redick
No, I don't think this. I, you know, from again, sort of his mindset and we didn't talk about team plans or anything like that, but my feeling is that, you know, whatever the plans were, the plans will continue to be this. The spurs in the big picture. He was just trying to get Victor in the right place. Coach for a couple more years and then ride off in the sunset. Just happened a little earlier than I think he expected.
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Jason McIntyre
Right. Let's go to my Knicks, Jalen Brunson, Mr. Clutch last night knocks the Pistons out before we get to the Celtics. I'm just. Brunson is just magnificent. Like, I don't want to say he's, he's remarkable. He's my favorite Nick ever, but he's rising up the charts without getting to the Finals yet of being one of the great Knicks of all time. He's certainly up. I know Willis Reed, won't. I.
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J.J. Redick
You don't. You know, if you're, if you're a New York Knick, you don't get to the finals. So you don't, you don't have to get to the Finals to be an all time Nick. It's, it's.
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Jason McIntyre
You know what?
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J.J. Redick
You're consistently got us to the second round of the playoffs. Okay, cool.
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Jason McIntyre
Damn. Okay, well, I mean, what's the reality? You know what?
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J.J. Redick
This is what I, this is what drives me crazy about Knicks fans. Like we're always on the cusp. You've been on the cut. You're like Dallas Cowboys fans. Okay, wow. That was 30 years ago. Your time in the sun was 30 years ago. Stop acting like tomorrow is going to be the day.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, tomorrow's probably not going to be the day because tomorrow we'll tell you that.
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J.J. Redick
Not against the Boston Celtics.
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Jason McIntyre
Did you see the rap? The Celtics are minus 1,000.
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J.J. Redick
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
In this. That's not great. Knicks, do they have any chance whatsoever now? Jrue Holiday has a hamstring. Tatum's coming off the injury, although it didn't seem to bother him. Is there a world where the Knicks make this interesting?
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J.J. Redick
No.
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Jason McIntyre
Sweet.
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J.J. Redick
No, no. Look at, look, look. And I don't mean to demean the New York Knicks, but it's just, it's a really bad matchup. Yeah, you got multiple guys even without Drew Holiday. You got Derrick White and, and Peyton Pritchard can take turns guarding, guarding Jalen Brunson. You got Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum on the wing size wise against Josh Hart and Mikhail Bridges or even Og Anunoby. It just. The matchups don't work, unfortunately.
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Jason McIntyre
Can this possibly be a CAT series? Because he's the toughest matchup I think for Boston, but I mean, he was invisible last night. 10 points fouled out.
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J.J. Redick
I've seen Cat score 60 points and lose. So no, I'm not. Even if he has a great game, I don't, I don't see that being the difference.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, let's quickly buzz through tonight. Rockets, warriors, game six.
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J.J. Redick
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
You got Steve Kerr whining about the fouls on Curry. You've got the hand. Have you talked to your Golden State people, Mr. Bay Area? I'm assuming Curry is going to play tonight. Yeah, absolutely.
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J.J. Redick
Of course. Yes. No question. He's going to, he's going to play. I think it's going to, it's going to be a down to the wire game and I give the warriors the edge in those situations simply because of their experience and the lack thereof. And the absence of a true go to closer. Jalen Green has somewhat been exposed. I was, I was a big believer in what I was seeing in the regular season. I was like, oh, I did not previously think he had a chance and then he was showing me some things during the regular season. And this is the value of when you have a young team before you have to pay them the max contracts. Let me see you in the playoffs. Yeah, let me see what you are when the lights are brightest and the Rockets are getting an opportunity to see that not just with Jalen Green, but with Alper and Sengun and all of their young guns.
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Jason McIntyre
So you know, Green had the one offseason he's just inconsistent.
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J.J. Redick
Yeah, well, if you're going to be a closer. You're going to be a star player. It is all about consistency.
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Jason McIntyre
It's just tough. He's so young. And then you look around and you're like, oh, Sengun's 22 also. I mean, I don't want to get too hot. Takey. Let's say the Rockets lose as you predict. Yeah. Are you trading Shen Goon or Amen Thompson in any package for Kevin Durant?
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J.J. Redick
Oh, not for Kevin Durant.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. There you see, a lot of people don't believe that Durant's got like a couple years left. Shingoon and, and Amin Thompson, like a decade. Yeah. I don't think you're giving them up.
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J.J. Redick
Yeah, no, I, I mean, no, I'm not doing that. I, I, I love the culture that they've created. I love the youth and how you can bring all those guys up together. And more than anything else, like, this is the issue with Kevin Durant. I know from a technical standpoint, he fills their need as a closer. Right. But he also is the biggest personality in your room and he doesn't want to be a leader.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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J.J. Redick
And so Fred Van Vliet has done a great job of being that orchestrator and making room, bringing along the young guys and then hitting big shots when need be. Like, do I want a better closer than Jalen Green, ideally for the take next step.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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J.J. Redick
Yes. But Kevin Durant to me is not the answer.
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Jason McIntyre
What about Sengun or Amen Thompson in a package for Giannis?
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J.J. Redick
That's where it gets interesting. That's where it gets interesting. Because I could see that gambit again, because Giannis will, will fill some leadership, but he doesn't necessarily have to be the all encompassing one. Right. He's, he likes being a worker bee. Look how he handled things when Damian came in. He's like, I want, I want this to be your team.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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J.J. Redick
Like, no true one approaches it that way. He's sort of a magnanimous superstar, but in terms of his experience, in terms of his leadership and this is how you approach the job, that would be very intriguing because this is the problem that I have. I, I love Sangoon's game. He's being exposed a little bit here and maybe it just is youth. No, it's, but the, the limitations of his game are, are on, on, on the big screen.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, we got a minute left. I have to ask, was it you that asked JJ Redick the question in the pregame that set him off? I, I didn't love the question.
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J.J. Redick
No. I didn't like the way the question was asked.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes, agreed.
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J.J. Redick
That was the problem. Because what, what he should have asked is simply ask what you want to know, which is how did you guys come to that decision?
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Jason McIntyre
There you go.
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J.J. Redick
Was that your decision or was that a collective decision to play the guys the entire second half? Then you get to the heart of it rather than the kind of around the corner. Do you. Are you going to lean more on your assistant coaches? Like what are. Just ask the question.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, I defended Redick. I know that's not going to be popular when I go online, you know, people get angry. I didn't think he had that bad of a series, Rick. Like they. He had no, the bench did not exist.
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J.J. Redick
He did not have that. He did not have that bad of a series. For a coach coaching in the playoffs for the first time.
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Jason McIntyre
For the first time.
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J.J. Redick
Yeah, but he, he failed the final exam. He went in. He went into the playoffs with a B plus, a minus for me, he ended up with a C plus.
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Jason McIntyre
Damn harsh. Took himself down greater. All right, Rick Bucher, Fox Sports NBA analyst. Coming up next, the Yanis trade rumors are everywhere. Where would he fit best? Yeah, I'm gonna float the Lakers people.
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