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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
Like that sleek convertible that turned heads.
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Joy Taylor
When it picked you up from the airport or the custom ride from your favorite van. Life couple on social media. Even that vintage sports car that's tailing you a little too closely. New cars, used cars, electric cars, even flying cars.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, no flying cars yet, but as.
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Joy Taylor
Soon as those get invented, they'll be on autotrader. If you see a car you like, it's probably on AutoTrader.
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Colin Cowherd
That's kind of their thing.
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon.
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Colin Cowherd
To 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific.
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Joy Taylor
Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started.
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Unknown
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Joy Taylor
Oh, here we go. It is a Wednesday eve of the NFL draft. We got all sorts of stuff in fact, something may break during the show. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Very, very interest night tonight. The warriors try to make a 20 on Houston. You know, J. Mac, yesterday we talked during the show, the line Vegas was telling you who was going to win the game last night. Not because the Lakers were favored, but it was a five and a half point spread, which considering they got thumped in game one, kind of told you what the odds makers thought is that they were going to play with much more energy. So we kept saying, you know, Lakers are the side, they're going to win, they're going to win comfortably. It actually was closer at the end than it needed to be because the Lakers really thumped them.
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Unknown
Well, they took their foot off the gas in the fourth, but Lakers for sure, easy, easy winner.
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Joy Taylor
All right, so the two biggest differences from game one, number one, Lakers were immediately physical and made Minnesota work for everything. And number two is the T Wolves couldn't hit their threes and they shoot a lot of them and they did all year. But when Ant, who's a great three point shooter, is two for eight, they're in trouble. And they were. And I thought last night is what I actually thought the series was going to look like, which is a limited offensive team with Ant being the best player. And you're kind of crossing your fingers night tonight. If Julius Randall can deliver, he was good last night. But what's remarkable to me that at 40 years old, with other stars in the game like Luca and Ant, LeBron is still the tone setter in that game last night. Activity, energy, defense, setting the tempo. It was LeBron and you could feel his presence every time he was on the floor. And it's interesting, if you go to LeBron's career following a loss, he's the very best LeBron. In fact, LeBron's always been great in the second game of a playoff series. He tends to feel out the first game and then attack in the second game. Sort of how all of us are with the second cup of coffee at work. You know that first cup of coffee, you're trying to get organized. We're not. Any of us are not really capable of completing a grown up task until we're into the second cup of coffee. And that's how LeBron does it. He eats like a boxer that feels out the first round and then he attacks in round two. And that's what LeBron did. And that's why LeBron's comp is not Michael Jordan. It's Brady. For Brady, at 45 years old, to lead the NFL in pass attempts and throw for 4,700 yards, lead the league in completions. That's LeBron, who in year 22, with other stars on the floor in a crucial game for the Lakers, LeBron's the tone setter. And remember, LeBron tried to pass the baton to AD four years ago. He tried to say, hey, dude, I'm not into points. Lead us in scoring. And although AD finally got in shape and AD Was very consistent defensively, you never knew what you were getting from AD offensively. So, so often LeBron would wait. When he was a teammate at AD, he would play a very soft first quarter, want AD to take the baton with scoring. And AD wouldn't. And then LeBron would have to take over and pray Austin Reeves could help him be the two. This is where LeBron and Luca are. Great is that LeBron's not into the points thing. He doesn't care. He wants energy in the fourth quarter. He conserves it when he can. Like last night, he couldn't. He had to play with energy right out of the gate. But he was letting Luca take over the scoring. LeBron's not one of these guys that needs the buckets. He wants the win. That's what his legacy is. So last night, Luca, 31 points, LeBron 21. He is totally comfortable with that. He. That's why AD and LeBron. There's a lot of talk now, it could be Internet rumors that LeBron knew the trade was coming. I don't know if he did, But I think LeBron was okay with the trade because LeBron is always understood who plays off me well. Austin Reaves, he loves him. Why he can score and shoot. He didn't like Kyle Kuzma. Why? As Milwaukee found out he still can't shoot. LeBron couldn't depend on Kuzma. LeBron feels like, oh, I can come. I can depend on Austin Reaves in most series to be good, although he's been a little clunky so far. So I. This. This, to me, is what really is amazing. This is the 55th playoff series for LeBron, and he remains the tone setter with Ant and Luca also on the floor. And here was LeBron in his game two performance.
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LeBron James
We looked at what we didn't do so well, which was a lot of things in game one. We take that to heart. We hold each other accountable, we make the adjustments, and we had a better island tonight, and now we have. We need to be Even better on Friday, you know, you know, going into Minnesota. So that's what the playoffs is all about. But you got to be able to stay even, kill, no matter what's going on.
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Joy Taylor
I do like the Lakers in the series. I think it probably goes 6, not 5, but this is what I thought it would look like. And it's a really big distinction between AD and Luca LeBron after they won the championship, the COVID championship, remember the next year, AD came out of shape to camp and I was told it ticked LeBron off. It was like, okay, dude, it's your team. I'm gonna be ready for the fourth. And he couldn't because you never knew what you were getting with AD and then AD got healthy, took his body seriously. But in the end, LeBron still couldn't trust him. Offensively. LeBron loves Luca. Luca can have 18 point quarters, 23 point halves, and it lets LeBron play off the ball, conserve some energy. This LeBron has always known who he would play well with and who he wouldn't. He, he, he knows the game and he knew there's two guys, three guys in the league I'd be great with. Steph and he flirted for a couple years. Steph said, no thanks, Jokic, that was never going to happen. Denver's not letting him go. And Luca, I believe LeBron is always known. Steph, Jokic and Luka are the three stars in this league. He would trust and he'd be great with. And now he's got one. Okay, so this came out. Oh boy. I can hear all the young media sycophant fanboys freaking out over this. Tom Pelissero, NFL Network apparently wrote an article on Shador Sanders, said a lot of good stuff. But there were multiple people who did not like Shadow or Sanders attitude. Now this is a story now because Shador Sanders over the last week to two weeks we've heard about him dropping in the draft. One of the quotes in the story was the worst formal interview I've ever seen in my life. Horrible body language, blames teammates. Biggest thing is he's just not that good. An assistant NFL coach told Pelissero, I didn't, it didn't go great in our interview. He wants to dictate everything, what he's going to do and it kind of makes you feel small. So listen, interviews do matter a little bit for quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield, I was told was so good in his interviews. He had so much football knowledge. He had such great energy, great eye contact, sense of humor. People were blown Away with Baker Mayfield in the interview. He was good on the whiteboard. Funny, confident without arrogant. So my takeaway on this is. Yeah, this is part of being in a quarterback. Aaron Rodgers, by the way, read Ian O'Connor's book, why did he drop in the draft? Aaron came across as too cocky. It matters. I can just already see the fence being built to protect Shador Sanders, who I like. But the scouts, they're not just making stuff up. Coaches don't make stuff up. Remember, we were warned about Kyler Murray's attitude. Yeah, they were right. Cam Newton's ego, Johnny Manzel's focus. If Josh Rosen could stay healthy. Jay Cutler's arrogance. Yeah, they were right on all those. And now people say, what about C.J. stroud? Oh, boy. People like C.J. stroud, they said his comp was Jared Goff. Super accurate, doesn't get hurt, doesn't move a ton. That's not a bad comp. Jared Goff into a Super Bowl. Okay. And the other thing was, there's a new test out. It's called an S2 evaluation. It's just more information. It doesn't mean it's foolproof. CJ Stroud did not do well on it. Bryce Young had an amazing through the roof score. So obviously it doesn't just equal wins, but it's more information. It's a cognitive test, and people think it's better than Wonderlic. It's really good with quarterbacks. You still need a left tackle and a good coach and a good coordinator and a good owner and a good general manager, but it's just more information. So this article has a ton of nice things about Shador Sanders. It says a bunch of nice stuff, but there are a couple people that say it comes across as cocky. And I've said this, and I said it's about Kayla Williams. Over the next two to three years, you got to be very careful. I believe in judging a kid's confidence as an NFL scout because they're all getting paid now. They're all millionaires coming into the game. And some of those kids have had money. Some of those kids have not have money. But last year's class, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and especially Caleb Williams. He was the first quarterback ever drafted that was richer than any of the scouts that interviewed him. I mean, he had a better net. Net worth before he signed a contract with the Bears. And so the kids have money now. They're being empowered by NFL. There's going to be a little bit of confidence. And I think some of that Confidence will come across as arrogance to NFL people because these kids now, they don't come in wide eyed, they're driving new cars, they may own a condo, their family's more set. They're going to come in and not grovel to you. And I think a lot of NFL people are kind of used to quarterbacks coming in. Yes, sir, no, sir. Hey, coaches, they got more money than you do. So I do think this is something over the next three or four years to watch it play out. I, I, I, when I hear worst interview ever. That seems a little dramatic to me, but I would say this to the media as well. Take a deep breath. This is just all information. Interviews matter. They were right on Johnny Manziel. I mean, Cam Newton's a great podcaster. Why? Because he's more personality. That's why in the NFL never had back to back winning seasons. But he was memorable. Like that's what people said going into the Cam Newton draft. Like, he's a lot of personality. A little bit into Cam, everybody freaked out. And that's actually why Cam's kind of a good podcaster. He's a performer. And that was what they said. The stuff is mostly right, right? It was right on Johnny Menzel. And by the way, the people that love Baker Mayfield, not everybody, but the people that love them, they're like, he can read a defense, teammates will love him. He's got a ton of confidence. They've been right on Baker Mayfield and the critics of him myself were a little bit ego, kind of immature, maybe not as good athletically as people think. And that was right too. So don't overreact to this. I can see young people now coming into the sport with a little ego, a little confidence. They've been paid, they made money. It's not the end of the world. I think Shador's biggest issue is one that is well documented. Arm mobility, size. His traits are okay, that's the issue. The interview stuff, this feels a little hot for me, but I can see everybody freaking out. This is unfair. No, it's not. It's totally fair. This is the game. This is what happens when you're a quarterback. Andrew Luck came out literally a perfect prospect, and people questioned his arm strength. It was like you watched him. Do you ever think, you know, Andrew Luck's a noodle arm? Other than that, he's fantastic. Like, everybody gets picked apart. Take a deep breath. All right. But it is interesting, J Mac, that a week ago to two weeks ago, because these interviews were done a long time ago. Now they're getting out because people are doing a lot of articles and so, you know, the Athletics got six articles a day and now stuff's coming out. I do think what is interesting though, that even the people who like Shador Sanders, like, there's the Giants, people in the building like him, the buildings also split. See, what you're getting with Shador Sanders is because let's take Cam Ward out. He's going to the Titans. Right. Every quarterback after that, Jackson Dart people are very mixed. Shador mixed. Jalen Melroel mixed. What we have outside of Cam Ward is B to B minus quarterback prospects. And when you have that, you get divided opinions.
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Unknown
Yeah, your Shador point is great. I think it's worth a larger discussion. So, Colin, you and I have run businesses.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Unknown
You've interviewed a lot of people.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Unknown
Some kid comes in thinking he's a hot shot. Hey, how are you? What's up, man? Acting all cool and too cool for school. I've made my money. I've got my social media following. If he acts like that, are you more likely to hire him or be like, oh, if this is what he's like in the interview, what's this guy going to be like to deal with? Because I know you want to give pause that some of these coaches are older and they want, yes, sir, no, sir, I. If she does walking in there like his stuff don't stink, I don't know that I want that in my building. As a young leader of a football.
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Joy Taylor
I just don't. I remember when my daughter was interviewing for jobs and I talked to her about this, I said, I'm just going to tell you what dad thinks. You can take this information for whatever you want, but I own a business and I have a staff. I have a radio, TV staff. I've got a volume staff. I said, don't ask about vacation.
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Unknown
Right.
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Joy Taylor
Don't ask. When I hear that, I'm like, oh. I said, I don't care if you think that's what all the young hipsters ask about is work life balance. Nobody wants to hear about work life balance. That's the only advice I'm going to give you. You're going to work and work hard. When do I start? I said, I'm just telling you for dad, in my generation, and my generation owns a lot of those businesses, we're turned off by that, like, because we worked our butt off. We're not going to work you to the bone. We're not asking for 70 hours a week. But if you ask about vacation, and that's a real priority. You know what? Go be an influencer on ig.
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Unknown
By the way, Patrick Mahomes dad was a professional baseball player. You think he walked into interviews with NFL teams acting like he was the man? I'm not bashing Shador here. I personally would take him at 2 or 3.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Unknown
So it almost feels like there's an old coach somewhere around the league who sat in on an interview and heard and saw this and was like, yeah, I want this guy. I'm like, if he's acting like this in an interview, what's he going to be like in the locker room?
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Joy Taylor
Well, and again, I think it. It's. I think both are true. I think young quarterbacks now and young college football players come in with money, so they're not groveling. I think that's true. That's not a bad thing, but it's true. I also think it depends on the coach. I think a Sean McVeigh would handle it better. But there are a lot of coaches in this sport, old defensive coaches, they want a, you know, a kind of Neil to quite kiss the ring. Right?
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Unknown
You know, social respect. I mean, now Brian Dable, he can't roll another meeting and be like, here's all my super bowl rings. He can't do that. Whereas a Belichick could back in the day, Mike Tomlin could do that. Here's my super bowl ring, son.
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Joy Taylor
How are you?
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Unknown
Yeah, by the way, very curious about.
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Joy Taylor
By the way. You and I have both interviewed for jobs. I have had good interviews. I think I interview pretty well, but I've had interviews before. I walk out and I'm like, I was weird. Yeah, he was like, the interviewer is aggressive. Or. They're not. They're not really looking for what I provide. So listen, interviews. These interviews are not four hours long. Sometimes they're 10 minutes. Not all interviews go well. I mean, I've done a million podcasts with people. Sometimes the podcast is over, and I'm like, that wasn't a very good podcast. It just never got going.
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Unknown
Some of the advice you would give your kid, hey, play it safe. You know, don't say anything risky. And feel out the interview the way Mike Tyson would feel out of fight or LeBron feels out of series. Ease in. Don't come in all cocky. And I just wonder if Shedeur has turned off enough that he plummets here. And I don't.
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Joy Taylor
I still contend. I still contend Cam Newton turns the people off. But Cam was so damn talented. Who cares.
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Unknown
Shedor is not in his class.
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Joy Taylor
Well, that's what I'm saying. Caleb Williams turned some people off. Caleb's too talented. The biggest issue with Shador is arm. Okay. Mobility, average size. That's the issue is that if, if, if people like I keep hearing about, you know this kid that went transferred to ucla. Nico, everybody's oh, bad, bad, bad kid. If he lights it up at UCLA or had he lit it up at Tennessee, he's going in the first round.
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Unknown
Got them to the playoffs.
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Joy Taylor
Yes.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
Come on. In the end, the greater the talent.
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Unknown
Just to be clear, I would take Shadora 3 if I were the Giant. I know people don't love him. I would. I haven't interviewed him or anything, but I would look hard at like if you don't get a quarterback and you're the giants, hello 5 and 12, like that's where you're headed.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. You and I are both on. We like him more than the world does.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
Thanks.
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Joy Taylor
So, you know, for a couple years, thank God I don't read social media, but for a couple years, here's all I've heard every time we talk about the Milwaukee Bucks. I've come on this show and said, yeah, they're too old. It's not going to work. Time to blow it up. They don't have any draft picks. They gave up too many for Dame. It's not going to work. And Milwaukee fan is like, you guys cherry pick. You don't watch the games. You don't know. No, actually we've been right. They're going to lose to the Pacers. I predicted a week ago I said Pacers got better players. Pacers have an undervalued roster. Pacers have three really good players in their prime. Milwaukee giannis is a 25 million dollar chandelier in a rundown house. And so. And he's putting up huge numbers in this series. He's a monster. He didn't have good enough players around him. He's had one and I'm not blaming him. He's great. He's probably slightly out of his prime or maybe he's in his prime, but he's Great. But it doesn't matter. They don't have draft picks. The Kyle Kuzma move at the deadline was a nothing. Burger Dame is a weakness defensively and past his prime. So Milwaukee's had one great playoff run and they won a title. Every other year has been a disappointment since then. And they're gonna get, they're gonna get knocked out of this series. They'll win game three, but they're gonna get knocked out of this series. In fact, in Giannis's last seven playoff games, he's had huge numbers. The Bucks are over seven. So again, the national media skepticism was right on point. He's doing 35 and 15 in this series and they're down 02. And they're clearly the inferior team. And we were saying on this show three years ago, you don't have to sit and watch every NBA game. They're just not athletic enough. They're not young enough. Boston still got some youth. Cleveland has youth. You can. Oklahoma City's got youth. There's a lot. The west has tons of young athletic teams. Milwaukee's too old. So listen, this, this, this Towns, this city lost Lu, Alcindor, Favre and Aaron Rodgers and somehow survived. To me, you could guarantee your viability as a franchise by trading Giannis in the off season and getting five first round picks and four players. I mean, look what Rudy Gobert got. You can get a ton and it'll guarantee for the next 10 years you're a viable franchise. You are not winning a trophy. With Giannis, you don't have the draft. Capital Dame's getting older by the second. Kyle Kuzma's not it. You're not winning a trophy. So what are your standards? I mean, Green Bay, the Packers may have their faults, but they're trying to win Super Bowls. They're making moves to win Super Bowls. Milwaukee, you want to be a playoff team because Boston and Cleveland and are significantly better. Like it's not close athletically, defensively. And so it's one of these things when people say, you can't trade Luca. You could trade Luca. You can't do it for one first round pick. If you'd have traded Luca to the Lakers for AD Austin Reeves and three first round picks. Okay, you gotta sleep on that. Giannis, he may not be able to hit a free throw. I'd want four first round picks. I'd want an all star level player and then two or three other players because I wouldn't have to pay him anymore. Right? I could get some expiring contracts. But this thing's not working. Yeah, I know. The media cherry picks, no, sometimes the national guys, because they're not as emotionally embedded in the franchise, can see the truth. You are watching the truth in this series. J. Mack with the news.
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Unknown
No, no, no.
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Joy Taylor
Turn on the news.
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Unknown
This is the Herd line news, as.
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You said at the outset, set NFL draft on the horizon. Less than, what, 36 hours to go. And Cowboys owner Jerry Jones met with the media yesterday, said Dallas is working on pretty substantive trades regarding players ahead of the draft. When asked, he said they were taking calls with teams but wouldn't offer specifics. In other news, Colin Micah Parsons has shown up to voluntary off season workouts while seeking a contract extension.
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Joy Taylor
So interesting.
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Unknown
Jerry Jones talking about trades. Micah Parsons, who could have easily just sat this out, said, I don't have a contract. I'm not showing up.
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Joy Taylor
Dallas, Dallas, to me, if you want to catch up to Philadelphia in your own division, forget the afc, forget the other teams. Dallas does not have a top 10 roster. Not a top 10 roster.
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Unknown
They're not a top 10 team in the NFC column.
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Joy Taylor
But you could go through it.
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Unknown
It's just not good.
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Joy Taylor
So to me, I don't even think it's debatable. I've said before I would move off Micah, I would trade down in the draft. They need 12 draft picks and hit on about eight of them. And all of a sudden in the NFL, that's what's great about it. It's not baseball where you have to wait for a guy in the minors. If you go hit on seven or eight draft picks, that could be six starters. And all of a sudden you look up and you're like, okay, now Dak's contract doesn't matter as much because we got six guys from the second round on that can play.
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Unknown
And they have drafted well over the last few years. That being said, who's trading for Micah Parsons, giving up picks and then paying the guy top dollar for his position?
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Joy Taylor
Oh, I think Mike could have the market.
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Unknown
A robust market. Or not.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah, I mean, honestly, don't give me a team. Even if you got a ROOKIE, Minnesota, if J.J. mcCarthy plays and you're not paying him for four years, the Vikings.
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Unknown
Have a billion picks. They got a lot of picks in this track. Or maybe they have the fewest pick.
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Joy Taylor
Not a great edge rusher. Okay, so Minnesota says, I'll take Micah, give you four picks or three picks. Yeah, we can pay him. We're not paying our quarterback. Sam Darnold's gone. We're not paying Anybody? Minnesota. Micah Parsons, Absolutely.
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Unknown
So rookie quarterback.
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Joy Taylor
Now, if you have a rookie quarterback, Daniels, you got four years of a Runway interesting. Michael Pen. By the way, Michael Penck's Atlanta. They went and got the kid from New England last year, but they don't sack the quarterback and it's not a great edge rusher draft. I'm Atlanta. I'd say you give us Micah Parsons in our division and we'll give you our first round pick this year and our second next year. By the way, Atlanta's got Michael Penix. Go for it. I mean, Atlanta to me in Minnesota. If you want to catch Philadelphia, I mean, hell, Philadelphia is rumored they want to trade AJ Brown to go up and get Carter from Penn State because they want more pass rush.
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Unknown
Oh, I like the idea of trading Micah. I just. I don't know that the market's that big just because he's gonna want to be the most highest paid defensive end in the league. I, I just, I like him. But man, this cowboy story. All right, next up, Colin. I love this story. So Tyrese Halliburton, the great point guard of the Pacers, dropped 21 and 12 last night in a great Pacers win. I'm just telling you now, the Pacers are going to be a problem in the next round for Cleveland. However, Halliburton was voted the most overrated player in the league in an anonymous player poll by the Athletic. His coach, Rick Carlile, shared his thoughts on the voting last night after the game.
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Joy Taylor
And the other guys on the list were Jimmy Butler and Giannis. And I want to see. I want to see the guys. Faces that voted those guys. I want to see the faces of those guys. All right, this is a poll. Not, not everybody even answered in the poll. The whole thing's okay. And it's just, it's really, it's really a shameful thing. First of all, coaches have to defend their players. So it's not a shameful thing. I looked at the entire poll. 90% of it I agreed with. I didn't agree with this one. The reason he ends up. Giannis gets this because he can't hit a free throw late. Well, I'm just saying it's a shooters league and Giannis can't shoot, so he, you could argue, I mean, he's highly productive. Halliburton doesn't have a lot of swag.
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Unknown
He does that. And that's the good. This is a great discussion.
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Joy Taylor
Who half the league five years ago, like Westbrook over Curry because Curry's got pharmacy shoes. As a shoe line. So, no, I mean, a lot of the enemy. The NBA is an aesthetic league. It's a cool league.
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Unknown
It's a culture, culturally. Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. So. So. So Halliburton has no interest playing that game. And a lot of the NBA guys. Dude, it's about. It's about what, you know, are you cool? You got. You got an attitude. That's fine with me. But Halliburton, like a Steph Curry, is not really into that. And so you get punished by NBA players. It's not a shameful poll. It's just a poll. And for the record, I agreed with the players on all but two categories. I thought they were right. This one I didn't agree with. And there was another one. I forget what it was. That was another one. Somebody was overrated, I think, and I just didn't agree with it. But let's slow down on the. It's outrageous or shameful. It's anonymous. Polls are part of society. You have them in tech, politics, sports. You have anonymous polls. Half the sources in American media are anonymous because people don't want their name on it. But they'll tell you the truth, right?
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Unknown
I mean, listen, Halliburton was on the US Olympic team. He's a good player. He's awesome. He's a. He's a franchise. Like, I found it.
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Joy Taylor
And he's a great guy.
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Unknown
Top five point guard in the league.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Unknown
But this whole, like, he's not cool. He doesn't live above the rib. He's not dunking on people. And, like, Anthony Edwards is cool. He's getting fined for yelling inappropriate stuff. I can't say on this show to fans.
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Joy Taylor
Okay.
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Unknown
Like, that's cool. I think that John Morant is cool. You know how dumb that is? I would take Calibur over John Morant in a heartbeat.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. Would you?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Unknown
It's like this. This discussion.
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Joy Taylor
But we also have to realize that the NBA's always been like, this. Dr. J was a great player, but he was also cool.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
Like it mattered. So I think Michael Jordan was a great player, but Michael, the dress, the look, the earrings. It's okay for one of our really popular leagues to have cultural significance in the NBA. Since I've been a kid, the NBA has always been the league. Like. Like when I was a kid growing up, the first star was Spencer Haywood, and he pushed back against the league, and Spencer was kind of viewed as cooling. He was a tough guy. It was cool. And so that's okay. Like, I. Some of my favorite Players. I thought Bernard King was cool and Gus Williams was cool. They weren't great players, but I love their game, I love their style, and that's okay, but let's just call it what it is. Halliburton's not considered cool. He's a tremendous player.
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Unknown
So Andrew Luck was like a member of a book club and had a flip phone.
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Joy Taylor
In the NFL, no social. It doesn't matter in the NFL.
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Unknown
That's interesting. In NFL, who cares? Who cares who's cool as long as you're winning football games?
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. Cool in the NFL is winning.
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Unknown
Yes. You know what else is cool? Tyrese Halliburton winning with the Pacers.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Unknown
Oh, man. Anyways, final story. Colin is back to the NFL. The Titans came out yesterday and told the media they are not going to trade the number one pick. Tennessee is closed for business at one and Diana Rossini is reporting. The Giants were the most aggressive team trying to get the number one overall pick. Obviously, they need a corner quarterback.
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Joy Taylor
They want a quarterback they just don't like. Shador.
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Unknown
By the way, how's Cam Ward? Interviewing oh, I haven't heard anything about that. Have you?
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Joy Taylor
No, because he's going to one team.
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Unknown
He's going one. He's only, I think he's only talked to a few teams, but. So the Giants are gonna get a quarterback in this draft. The question is, is it Chador? Is it Jackson Dart, one of these other guys? The New York Giants are the most interesting team in the draft to me because they're at three.
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Joy Taylor
I feel, I feel the draft starts with number three. And again, some of this Shador Sanders stuff coming out is just because he doesn't have dominant traits. Like, nobody's talking about Cam Ward's personality. Why? Super mobile big arm. Nobody cares. Like, like, like a lot of this is just people will deal with stuff.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
The greater your talent is. But when it's marginal, then they really start to pick on you.
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Unknown
Nitpick you. Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
J. Mac with the news.
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Unknown
Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. By the way, I'm looking at this NBA poll. Who's the MVP? 51. 56% SGA. 37% Jokic. I agree with that. What team other than your own will win the title this season? Boston. Number one. Oklahoma City, two. I mean, if you, you start looking at this most underrated. Most underrated player was Kate Cunningham. I agree with that. Best organization. Warriors. Yeah. It's hard to, hard to argue. Worst Hornets. So this stuff, you know, Again, it's not shameful. It's just players need. You know, I think it's funny when you talk overrated or underrated.
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Unknown
Yeah. Let me give you an underrated. An overrated. I like this guy's game. Zion Williamson can't stay healthy, doesn't win a damn thing in New Orleans. Got all the money. But he's cool because he dunks on people and dates porn stars.
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Joy Taylor
Here's why he's not overrated. He's appropriately rated because everybody in the league is like, too bad he can't stay in shape and stay healthy. He. Nobody sees him as a top five player. I think Zion is appropriately rated. I think Kawhi Leonard, similarly, everybody with Kawhi says the same thing. Bro is great. He's just never available.
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Unknown
Okay. Can I give you another one? Yeah. And I like this guy, too. Trey Young, Atlanta Hawks.
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Joy Taylor
Again, I would say appropriately rated. I've always liked him more than the critics, but he is wild. I. There's arguments. He's not a winning player, Definitely doesn't defend well. Yeah. That half the league. But I don't think Trey's overrated. I think Trey Young, who I've met and I like, is appropriately rated. We know what is. I'll tell you. So overrated. Like, if you said Giannis is overrated, that I can argue. Because I can. No, because I can say this. What matters in all these playoff games the last four minutes, Giannis can't hit a free throw. So that. That there is. People used to think. By the way, I remember when the Lakers moved off Shaq and everybody was like, crazy. But I had a source inside the Lakers that said Shaq didn't want to practice. Shaq, bad feet falling apart. Shaq is distracted, and we have to make a choice. And Kobe, his life is basketball. And so people freaked out. But in the end, it doesn't mean the Lakers didn't love Shaq, but they had to make a choice. And so they went with a more. The healthier, more obsessed, committed player. It doesn't mean you don't like Giannis, but it is concerning that you don't trust him at the line late. And these close playoff games are decided on free throw. I mean, the Lakers last night went 20 for 20 at the free throw line. If they go 12 for 20, that's a four point game, even though they dominated. So underrated doesn't mean you're bad. Underrated means you're considered a star. And maybe you're not quite living up to elements of that. So, yeah, I mean, Rick. Rick Carlisle is taking overrated as. You stink. It's. No, no, no. He's viewed as an all Star, and he. You know, maybe he's a little incon. Like last year, he had a bad stretch.
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Unknown
Yeah. What if I said Joel Embiid overrated.
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Joy Taylor
Now, that one I'll take to the bank. Yeah. I was told for years, just wait until next year. I'm overweight. Yeah, that. That. That's one that I am just over.
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Unknown
He was the mvp, I think, two years ago.
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Joy Taylor
Right. And again, he's talented, but I watched him at the Olympics, and it validated every concern I had, which is within a team structure. Is he a winning player?
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Unknown
Oh, let me give you another one. Overrated. I'm gonna take some heat for this. Kyrie Irving. Tell me what he's won without LeBron and I'll. And I'll.
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Joy Taylor
You'll stop with the. What do you want?
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Unknown
What has he done without LeBron James?
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Joy Taylor
I think Kyrie is appropriately rated the best closer under 64 in league history. The most skillful small player, arguably ever.
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Unknown
Got hit one shot against the warriors to win the fight. One damn shot. And he's. He's more clutch than Steph Curry under 6 4.
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Joy Taylor
He was in the finals last season. Okay, let's just. Yeah.
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Unknown
As the wingman to Luca.
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Joy Taylor
Oh, God. Oh, boy. Okay. No, Kyrie is a sensational talent who fairly is a smaller player who's been hurt a lot and everybody. By the way, I was out on Kyrie in Brooklyn with all the COVID Yeah. But you have to be fair in our business. Yes, he has been very good and not distracted in Dallas as a clear number two, though.
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Unknown
Well, let's see what happens next year. Maybe him and AD Will battle for the number.
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Joy Taylor
I'll say this. He always comes to camp in shape.
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Unknown
He does. Well, now he does. Yeah. We don't want to talk about the book.
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Joy Taylor
Listen, I've. I've switched. Didn't like Harden. Did like Harden. Not back down. Not sure with Harden. Kyrie. I'm out. Kyrie wins. With LeBron, I'm in. Then he went weird out. Now I'm kind of.
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Unknown
Yeah. I hate how I'm floating the overrated guys and I'm gonna look like the hater. And you're not. You're sitting back.
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Joy Taylor
Most people in society are appropriately rated. I think if you. If there's one guy in the league that I thought got way too much love, it was embiid. It's like, I'm not Sure, he's good in the team structure. He's hurt all the time and frankly, they keep running players around him and none of them fit.
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Unknown
Okay, Lamelo Ball. We'll wrap up with La Meloball.
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Joy Taylor
He's every. I think everybody looks at him as really fun to watch. Little on the flashy side, certainly an NBA player. He's a fun NBA player to go pay for a ticket and watch. He's an NBA player and kind of a borderline star.
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Unknown
Owns a bunch of really cool cars. Yeah, well, there's nothing wrong with that swag.
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Joy Taylor
People love him.
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Unknown
And as an NBA player, well, again.
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Joy Taylor
But nobody's like, you know what? That's the face of the league. People are like, he's fun, he's flashy, he's good. Can be a little sloppy as a player, but. But do complain.
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Unknown
Oh, he could get buckets.
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Joy Taylor
Oh, no, he.
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Colin Cowherd
He can play.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah, I'm like this.
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Unknown
Feisty. This.
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Joy Taylor
No, I'm like Mr. Optimism. You're. You're over there throwing Ja Morant grenades and I'm here live in la.
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Colin Cowherd
It's the Herd.
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Joy Taylor
That was good.
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Some of the best parts of the show are when we're not on the air. Okay, A Diana Rossini, professional journalist, says the Steelers, Browns and possibly the Vikings could be involved in Kirk Cousins trade discussions. The Vikings? You mean the Sam Darnold Vikings? The Daniel Jones Vikings? The Aaron Rodger Rumer Vikings? Kirk Cousins again? So listen, with quarterbacks, I got to see it to believe it. You can tell me a house is beautiful. I'd like to step inside. I gotta see it for myself. And here's the thing with J.J. mcCarthy. I watch Michigan. I watched the last two years under Harbaugh and J.J. mcCarthy. I saw a great O line, a great running back, great defense, great pass rush, great culture. I didn't See great quarterback play. They didn't ask him to do anything. Five of his last seven games at Michigan, he didn't throw a single touchdown pass. His best college game last year he had one where he passed over 300 yards. Purdue. And when he played like I went and looked this morning, the Big Ten championship game against Ohio State in the Natty, he's throwing for about 140 yards in the biggest games they asked him to do less and so it's nothing against him. But I got, you know, it's like I'm watching Minnesota. Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, they considered extending Sam Darnold. There's the rumors with Aaron Rodgers, now Kirk Cousins. He's also had two surgeries to clean up the knee. I got to see it, to believe it. I, I never bought into the hype and one of the things I thought was interesting there, there was, maybe it's because he played at Michigan. I don't know why. Maybe he's got a good agent. But there was a lot of hype a year ago in the draft. A year ago today all you were hearing is people are going to move up for J.J. mcCarthy. They'll give up number one pick. Nobody did. The Vikings gave up like a four and a five. There were two teams and I had this very well sourced that wanted to move up for Michael Pennix. So be very careful pre draft, what you hear. Michael Penix? Yeah. No, no, no. Two teams tried to draft Michael Penix and I couldn't get him. Atlanta did so in Atlanta had Kirk Cousins. They still drafted Michael Penix. So it's not like there was this mad rush to get J.J. mcCarthy and I, I'm not saying it's not going to work. It's like Jackson dart. I watched Jackson dart. I never said, wow, franchise quarterback, NFL, he's talented. When I watched Michigan play, it was a lot of handing the ball off. I mean when they played Penn State, the coaching staff made a decision. We're not going to throw the ball in the second half, like at all. That's what I saw. You can try to sell me on Bigfoot. I need video, okay? So I gotta see stuff. There's certain things I gotta see stuff. And sometimes it's just your resume, other times it's video. So now, now is he liked, is he in the weight room? Yes, yes. Aaron Jones, his teammate, just saw him a couple days ago. I'm not doubting. He's, he's, he's working out. Here's Aaron Jones. He looks, he looks great. I'VE seen him today, moving around. He looks good in the weight room. Looks good. Confident, confident. I'm, I'm very confident in him. He has all the support around him and we're here to lift him up and he's going to be ready to go. Yeah. For the record, I think that second surgery makes everybody, even in the building and out of it. It's like, is he going to be ready to go? I did think I watched the preseason with JJ McCarthy and what what I watched was he was a little bit more athletic. It reminded me of Bo Nix. He was a little bit more athletic at the NFL level than I thought he would be. He moved around Bo Nix, J.J. mcCarthy, they got out and moved. They're quick and he's a confident kid. So, I mean, I'm, it's just Kirk Cousins, Vikings. What do you want me to think? Right. Like that this is what I'm seeing. This is what I'm seeing. By the way, somebody I use at least once a year before the draft. I think his draft previews are exceptional. Lance Zurline, whose dad coached in the league, he's works for NFL.com he does. He's really good on this stuff. Very, very buttoned up. And you know, it's, I don't think because there's not a lot of star power at the top of the draft. I have found my sources have been very honest about the draft. They like a lot of players they don't love a lot. I'm telling you, the Ohio State wide receiver, I don't think he's getting out of the first round. I make a book up. Yeah, I do not believe he's getting out of the first round.
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Unknown
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Joy Taylor
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