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Doug Gottlieb
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Doug Gottlieb
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Katie Couric
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Doug Gottlieb
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Katie Couric
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Ben Maller
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Doug Gottlieb
Now let's get you're listening to FOX Sports Radio.
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Matt Holliday
Boom.
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Doug Gottlieb
What up America? Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening to the show, Happy 4th of July to you. Hope you're ready for a great day. Heading out to the beach, heading out to a lake, heading up to the mountains, or you're just chilling at home like dude, I don't care. Just it's Friday. You ain't got nothing to do with. Listen to little sports radio. Got a great show for you. I do mean great because in this hour alone, taco NBA basketball talk with a former major league all star about a bunch of different topics. We'll talk a little ufc. We got some old school NBA, a little WNBA and some NFL. All just in this hour. Just in this hour. Matt Holiday, seven time All Star will join us upcoming in 20 minutes here on the show. It is, it's great to be with you in the herd. Obviously we're live in places like Los Angeles and I always laugh at when we post things from my show, the Doug Gottlieb show, which follows this show on most Fox Sports radio stations. How people go like get another topic, don't talk about LeBron. That's by the way, my Colin doing the outside voice thing. Right, Colin? Anyway, you can accuse me of a lot of things chasing Lebron topic is not one of them. Lebron topic is a real topic that's really been discussed and oh yeah, by the way, it pops up in your algorithm because it's what people are talking about right now. So hey kids, if you just got back from a vacation with your family or you haven't really been paying attention, there's this weird thing that happened with LeBron James and the Lakers over the past week or so, right? Free agency period open now. LeBron James is not a free agent, but could have been. Instead he opted in to his player option which will pay him roughly $53.9 million next season. But after opting in and signing or picking up his player option, his agent Rich Paul released a statement saying, and again, I'm not going to quote it, it's not verbatim, but basically it's like, hey, LeBron wins to win a championship. So the Lakers are on a different timeline of winning a championship. So, hey, we just want you to know LeBron wants to win a championship. It insinuates that he, you know, past tense relationship kind of over or coming to an end, and he doesn't think that they can win a championship as currently comprised in la. So he's open to any possibilities. The number one thing, one of one takeaway you should have, like, why should I care? Again, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you whether or not you think LeBron, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Wilt, Kareem are the greatest players of all time. I'm not. There's just, I, you know, this is like the LeBron Jordan argument is like the abortion argument. You know what, have fun trying to win that one on social media. There is no win. So this doesn't come from a place of, I don't think LeBron James is the best player of all time, but it does come from a place of, let's just kind of be honest. Is there anyone out there who would argue that Luca is at minimum a top 10 and more likely a top five player when healthy in the NBA? And you're all sitting there driving around and you know, you get your kids in the car and you're sitting there, all right, that's reasonable. Top 10 minimum, top 5, however you want your list to be. And you know, well, I didn't have in top five then Jason Tatum tours Achilles and I don't know, with Giannis and whatever, like, all right, like, I'm not going to push any argument more than it, I know he's one of the two or three best players in the sport that I love, that I played, that I coach. But again, not trying to win arguments. We're just trying to find middle ground there, right? So if he's a top 10 player and there are a good portion of people, especially ones on tv, who will watch the run play on a given night, throw up LeBron stats and say LeBron's still the best player in the NBA. Now, again, I'm not going to argue that. I know that most of us know that not to be true. But if you think LeBron James is a top 10 or top 15 player and you're in a sport where suddenly now we have more parity than we've ever had in our lifetime. Eight champions over the last eight years and many of the teams that are seen as the league's elite have lost play. I mean, the three of the best teams in the east have lost elite players due to Achilles 10 and tear.
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Matt Holliday
Right.
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Doug Gottlieb
And as much as we talk about the west, as if all the Westers. Oh, like the warriors aren't good enough as currently comprised to compete for a championship. The Wolves aren't good enough to compete for a championship as currently comprised the Rockets, we think with Kevin Durant, it'll make them better. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan, but it hasn't worked in his past, what, two stops close to working in Brooklyn. Not his fault they had injuries. And then the dysfunction that followed didn't work in Phoenix. Any argument there? Okay, so all these things were like, oh, the west is so like, you know, Clippers seemed like they're kind of over the hill with what they're doing now. Warriors are over the hill. Timberwolves just don't have enough. Spurs probably a year away, maybe two away from really competing at top Rockets. You know, they look better, but again, at some point you're going to get declining return on Kevin Durant. It's, it's. There's better depth. Denver has no bench. Right. There's fragile. They're not great. They still have Jokic. So if you want to make a depth of good teams. But if we're honest with ourselves, LeBron and his camp admitting the Lakers can't win, they are not focusing on or trying to in his mind or they're, you know, really how it lands on everybody. They're not good enough to win A championship with LeBron, with Luka. If you're not good enough to compete for a championship and you have two top 15, top 10 players in the league, then boy, the league must be really good. And it's not. So what LeBron and everybody else is admitting without knowing they're admitting is that LeBron's no longer a top 15, top 20 player. He's for 40. He's amazing, but in reality, he's just not. He doesn't defend with the same energy. He can be hard to play with. And there are nights in which he just doesn't have it. And those nights will likely increase over time. Right? Doesn't play all the games, has gotten hurt, what, like five of the seven years in which he's been in la? So this idea that let's just eliminate that from your argument, LeBron's a top 10 player. No, he's not. If he was, then there's no way in hell anybody would say that the Lakers can't win a championship. And most of us know Lakers can't win A championship, including LeBron James. So if we start with that, that things have changed. LeBron has to adjust to where he is, but he still wants to play for a championship contender, and he does not think the Lakers are championship contenders. There is only one other possible argument. If he doesn't think the Lakers are championship contenders or says that is that LeBron is pouting because now they're doing everything to focus on Luka. And what makes Luka his the best version of himself? Lot LeBron James. But let's pretend for at least the radio show and for this argument that LeBron James is in fact the bigger man. LeBron James has nothing. He just wants to win, wants to be part of a champion. Doesn't see it, doesn't feel it, because he knows in his heart he's not nearly as good as he used to be. Well, if that's the case, then what actions has LeBron actually taken to be solely focused on winning a champ championship? Over the past couple years with the Lakers, keep in mind, they've acquiesced to anything that he wanted. Hey, you want JJ Reddick to be the coach? Done. You want us to move mountains first to trade for Anthony Davis? Remember, they tried to trade for him, couldn't get it. Then Rich Paul, who also reps Anthony Davis, was like, gotta have Anthony Davis. So they moved heaven on earth. Heaven and earth to get him. They get him, they win a Covid championship. Okay. But they deplete all their most of their reserves. And then when they wanted to add another player, it was going to be DeMar DeRozan. Done. Only LeBron stepped in, is like, nah, nah, nah. We want Russell Westbrook. You want Russell Westbrook, not DeMar DeRozan. Sure, let's overpay to get Russell Westbrook. They get Russell Westbrook. The good vibes last all of, I don't know, a month, two months. And then LeBron turns a cold shoulder. That relationship's done. Don't worry, we won't hold it against LeBron. We'll just move on from Westbrook, then ultimately move on from our coaches after moving on from, from, you know, Frank. Frank, who wins your championship. And then, you know, you move on from Darvin Ham. Now you go get J.J. redick, and then they draft Bronny and Kind of force themselves to go, yeah, no, no, Bronny has earned all of this. Then they play Bronny James, one of the last picks in the draft in the second round on opening night in the NBA. Doesn't happen normally, doesn't normally get four year guaranteed contracts. And then their G League team is turned into a LeBron James sponsored AAU team where it's just about Bronny getting buckets and about making Bronny look like he's ready to play in the NBA. They've done all these things. Oh, the only thing they did that maybe he didn't like was trade away the big guy who is repped by the same agent and upgraded for a trade that the entire world thinks they won. The entire world thinks they won. Like, I don't think the wind disparity is that great. Like, I don't think it was. They literally trade away a box of basketballs used outside for one of the greatest players in the world. They trade away Anthony Davis, who's a tremendous two way player, okay, has. And, and really what Dallas want to do is reconfigure themselves, make themselves the most dynamic defensive team in the league and tap into the potential of Anthony Davis, which still seems to be limitless, only limited by injuries. And of course Anthony Davis, as he's prone to do, gets hurt when he gets there. But it, the, the, it's not that big of a win, but it's a win and anybody would argue as such. Right? So what are you actually mad about? That the Lakers want to trade with the Mavericks? That the Lakers are going to be relevant for the next decade. The, I think the problem people are bothered with the most, this comes from me, this comes from Colin, this comes from government, this comes from teachers, comes from parents, comes to, from athletes. I can take your opinion if it's the opposite of mine, what I can't take, or your ideas or your thoughts, or, you know, if you have a plan, you go do it. What you can't take is, is hypocrisy. If you want to play for a championship and you don't think it's in LA and all that's important to you at the end of your career is winning a championship, well then just don't pick up your player option and you're a free agent and go where the hell you want, go wherever you want. Well then what do we do with Bronny? Well, again, like, again, if, if Bronnie isn't tied to you, if it wasn't a daddy ball Deal. Well then that shouldn't matter to you. Of course it matters to you. And they can figure it out. They can trade Bonnie for nothing and get stuff something back in return or whatever. It's just, it's just hypocrisy. Don't tell me that you don't tell me that LeBron's the top 10 player and then say playing with Luka Doncic, they can't win a championship. Don't tell me winning, winning a championship, competing for is all that's important. Then pick up. Even if you are going to stay in la, if you really want to win a championship, of course you could take less money. And to people who say he's LeBron James, he doesn't have to take less money. He doesn't unless he truly believes knows he needs more help based upon the current structure of the salary cap in the NBA. And oh yeah, by the way, there's all kinds of creative contracts where you can backload it and do player options. At the end of the day they can buy you out of your last contract so that you get a walk away bonus that ends up equaling out what you would have made this year. Like all that stuff is reasonable. But this is not an opening rant. Doug Godly been for Colin the Herd on Fox portage radio, the iHeartradio app. This is not me telling you he's a terrible person or he's a bad basketball player. But what you can't have is somebody being a complete hypocrite time and again and not get called on it. Not get called it. It's what irritates us about so many people in power is you say one thing and you do another. And that's where we are with LeBron James. And so either he's a hypocrite and the money is really what's important and he is just for show or he and his crew is being babies because it's no longer about him and it's always been about him. This is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Coming up next, we saw a special moment from a future hall of Famer in baseball. This week, a guy that faced him in the playoffs will give us his thoughts on Clayton Kershaw. How do we contextualize his 17 years of dominance? That's next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Ben Maller
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Matt Holliday
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Doug Gottlieb
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Matt Holliday
Well, it's, you know, it's kind of an awkward time as far as for these kids and stuff because the season ended, you know, for their high school season ended in May. And then, you know, they've moved the draft to the All Star Game. And so there's this kind of, you know, six, seven week period of waiting. But we've been, we've been keeping busy. We just went to Dallas to watch Jackson with the Orioles playing the Rangers and had a lot of family down there. So just been working out and staying, keeping him, keeping him as ready as you can without playing games. And then, you know, in about like you said, nine or ten days, we'll, we'll have an idea of who's selecting him and what, what that looks like and then kind of have a plan going from there. So just kind of enjoying our last bit of, you know, summer at home for a while for him. So it's been great. We've, we've enjoyed it and had some good family time together and taking a couple trips and but yeah, so Just kind of waiting to see what happens. And, you know, at this point, nine days out, we're not sure where he's gonna end up.
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Doug Gottlieb
Did you. When did you know Jackson was going number one?
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Matt Holliday
Like, literally, like 35 seconds before Manford announced it. I mean, it's. It's one of these things where, you know, it seemingly, in basketball and football, there's a great idea, you know, leading up to the draft of who's going number one, and they seemingly have all the details of the contract already worked out. In baseball, it's a little different with the draft pool and the slotting and then, you know, teams trying to figure out if they can negotiate down on the slot of the first and second, third picks to try to save money for picks following that. Maybe kids want overslaught or, you know, it's just. It's a. It's a. It's kind of a different animal, I'd say, than the other major sports drafts. But, yeah, with Jackson, literally, maybe, maybe like, you know, literally the commissioners walking up to the podium and, you know, kind of agreed to the term and then kind of let Leslie and my wife and Jackson find out with the announcement, the rest of the family. So it was. It was chaotic and right down to the wire.
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Doug Gottlieb
And this time around, do you have any idea?
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Matt Holliday
No, we really don't. It's. It's. Like I said, it's kind of a strange deal. You know, you have talks with. With teams and a lot more in the spring and kind of leading up to it, and then there's kind of this quiet period where I think teams collect their front office and their scouts and they start breaking down the potential prospects of it. And. And, you know, I think that that's the kind of the process. And then I think, you know, it might go right up to the day of. Before we have a real clear idea of what's going to happen.
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Doug Gottlieb
Matt Holliday is our guest here. Seven time All Star, 15 years in the bigs, won a World series with the St. Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals were famous for having whatever the elixir was to Clayton Kershaw in the playoffs. Right. What was. What was the approach when you guys would meet before you're facing Kershaw in the playoffs? This is prime peak. Clayton Kershaw, best pitcher in baseball. What was the approach that allowed you guys to be successful in the playoffs against him?
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Matt Holliday
You know, I think it was a combination of a couple things. I think we had teams. The couple teams that seemingly got to him a little bit were guys that hit the ball in the middle of the field, weren't reliant on pulling the ball, did a good job of hitting the runners in scoring position. I think he probably would tell you that he made more mistakes over the plate in the middle of the plate in those games than he's accustomed to and he would make traditionally in his career. So I think it was a combination of things. We just. And then once you have a little bit of confidence like that, you can do it. And then, you know, as hitters, you feel like, you know, you can get to him, then that helps. I mean, you know, he's such a dominant pitcher, and if he gets rolling and can kind of get going and start executing pitches and if they give him a lead, it's very difficult to get to a guy like that. But once you get to him, once you feel like maybe you can get to him again, and that certainly adds to the team's confidence that, you know, if we keep it close, we can get a big hit and possibly beat a guy like Clayton Kershaw. So I would say there was nothing that, you know, was secretive or, you know, like that. We had this special plan that somehow got to Clayton Kershaw. It was, you know, you have to beat Kershaw when he makes mistakes. Just like any good pitcher, if they throw the ball in the middle of the plate, you can't miss it. You can't foul it off. You can't take it. You got to be ready to hit. And if you. If he throws you one, that's. It's. That's a good. Good pitch to hit. You've got to hit it. And we seemingly were able to do that pretty well off of him in the postseason. And, you know, there was times particularly, you know, at the time when people thought we had his pitches or we were stealing signs, and none of that was true. I mean, we. We. We just. Like I said, we didn't miss the mistakes.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, then you have, like, a. Like, for example, Madison Bumgardner, a fraction of the total career of a Kershaw, but in the playoffs had, you know, had at least one far more dominant playoff run that Kershaw kind of really ever had, I guess, in your mind, and you're somebody who's an honest broker. Is. Is he the best lefty you ever saw? Like, where. Where is Clayton Kershaw in terms of the best lefties you. You've ever faced?
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Matt Holliday
Yeah, I mean, look. I mean, 3,000 strikeouts. I mean, you're talking about very rare air. I think if, for Me, you know, the. I got to face Randy Johnson at the end of his career. I didn't face peak Randy Johnson. So you know, as far as just facing a guy with stuff, but as far as, you know, facing two of the best lefties, you know, of all time and a couple of guys that I faced, I mean, I think, you know, Pete, Clayton, Kershaw, who I faced, you know, I would say is the best lefty I ever saw. But I don't want to discount the fact that I did get to face Randy Johnson. His, you know, his fastball had ticked down, but he was still very difficult. But yeah, those, those two are certainly the best lefties that I ever faced. And I would put Clayton, you know, up there with, with an all time. Obviously, you know, this body his career was, was. It has been incredible and he's still doing it and you know, a great guy. You know, I got a chance off the field and spend some time with him and just an incredible human and just, you know, really happy for him. 3,000, like I said, 3,000 career strikeouts. The longevity that it takes, the health, the work and then the, you know, the ability to strike out 3,000 batters in the major leagues. Some of these records, you know, as far as now that everybody is starters are only going five innings and you know, two times through the order. This, this sort of new, new look at starting pitching. I be hard to, to think that somebody, you know, that might be one of those numbers that nobody really gets to anymore.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, no, there's. We're not going to have another 300 game winner. Right. And he's the 20th pitcher to have 3,000 strikeouts. And it seems very unlikely that in the current landscape of baseball we ever get to that again.
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Matt Holliday
Yeah, I mean there's several of these numbers. You start looking at, you know, kind of the way the game is trending that we. Very difficult, you know, for anybody to ever get to again.
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Doug Gottlieb
I did want to ask you about Jacob Mizrowski. He's the 67 rookie with the brewers who had just been mowing everybody down and then, you know, ran into some trouble the other night against, against the Mets. One of the things I love is when, and I've asked you about this, about people's swings, but also about people's stuff and whether or not it lasts. Does, does he last? Obviously he just had one game where people. Other than that, he's just been completely dominant, but it's very, very early. What are your thoughts on the longevity of a Mizarowski?
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Matt Holliday
Yeah, I mean I think that when you look at his stuff, I think certainly, you know, when you're pitching at the 100 mile an hour and then, and then a little bit over your margin for error is bigger. Everybody else's it's very difficult to score up 100. And if you looked at the stats, I think, you know, they did hit two homers back to back homers I think off of them. But there's not a lot of homers hit on 100 mile an hour plus fastballs. And so that's, that's certainly an advantage for a young pitcher that you know, you can make more mistakes and guys tend to foul them off or not have, you know, swing through some of the mistakes you make in the middle of plate when you throw that hard. Really, you know, to me the longevity of it is to see if you know when it's when his velo comes down a little bit or as he, as he pitches in a long season in the major leagues and there's days where you don't feel great and you're, you're not pitching in the 100 mile an hour range and you have to figure out ways to get guys out when you don't have your best fastball. I think that's the true test of longevity and whether or not you know, you have a chance to be one of the all timers or you know, you certainly have the ability and you look at his size and body type is what you would want. When you look at starting pitchers and guys that really throw the ball with, with a lot of velocity but don't have to do a ton to do that like it comes out pretty, pretty easy. He's always been a hard thrower and so again I think it goes back to how he can execute his off speed pitches and then you know, whether he can really come up with, you know, command that when you don't have your best fastball, can you still get outs. And those are the great the greats can do is they could figure out different ways to get you out even when their stuff is, is tired or not quite what it usually is. And so that to me is the true test of a guy that is in it, you know, going to be a great pitcher for the long haul.
- [35:04]
Doug Gottlieb
You look at top the home run race in major league baseball and there's some of the usual, you know, suspects, right? Ohtani's there, judges there, Schwaber's there. But then you got Kyle Raleigh who's leading the world in home runs and he's got as many now as he has in full seasons in his career. How sustainable is this, especially for a guy who's playing every day as a catcher?
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Matt Holliday
Yeah, I mean, it's been very impressive. I think, you know, people, Seattle is not a good home run park. And for him to be doing this in Seattle as a catcher, I mean, he's had some amazing home run per at bat numbers in previous seasons for a catcher. So I think it is a little bit, you know, I think how many he has already is eye opening. But I think when you look at, you know, like some of the numbers per bat that he's had in his past, you know, it's not totally surprising that he's hitting a bunch of home runs. But I do think it's worth recognizing that in Seattle as a catcher, he's doing some amazing things. So it'll be interesting to see I think, moving forward. Doug, when you have a guy with this kind of home run prowess, do you continue to catch him in the long term and possibly wear him down a little bit, or do you start to look at more of whether he can transition to a few more dhs and first base type situations where you really optimally take advantage of the idea that he could hit 50 homers a year if he's rested and, you know, playing more games. So I think that's something to think about. But it's been, it's been really cool as far as just to watch. And obviously has a great nickname when you call somebody the Big Dumper. And he's totally fine with it. I can get on board with rooting for a guy like that.
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Doug Gottlieb
Big Dumpers and all timer. Big dumpers and all timer. Well, listen, man, have a happy fourth. Always love listening to you talk about baseball. And we'll keep our fingers crossed that, that Ethan doesn't have to, doesn't have to be the other brother not selected number one overall in a week and a half. We'll talk soon.
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Matt Holliday
Okay, Sounds good. Thanks, Doug.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, that's Matt Holliday, good friend and a 15 year all star. 15 year major leaguer, seven time all star, four time silver slugger and world series champion, 11 with the St. Louis Cardinals. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.
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Matt Holliday
No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
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Doug Gottlieb
This is the Herd line news.
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Matt Holliday
Hey, Doug, I don't know if you caught this. Last night Donald Trump was doing kind of this victory lap with this bill that's about to go through Congress and he was talking to a bunch of Iowa voters. I guess you would say constituents last night. And he made this proclamation about what might be coming to the White House lawn.
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Doug Gottlieb
So every one of our national park battlefields and historic sites are going to.
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Ben Maller
Have special events in honor of America 250. And I even think we're going to.
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Doug Gottlieb
Have a UFC fight. We're going to have. Does anybody watch ufc? The great Dana was going to have a UFC fight. We're going to have a UFC fight. Think of this.
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Ben Maller
On the grounds of the White House. We have a lot of land there.
- [38:26]
Doug Gottlieb
We're going to build a little.
- [38:27]
Ben Maller
We're not.
- [38:28]
Doug Gottlieb
Daniel's going to do it.
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Ben Maller
Daniel's great.
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Doug Gottlieb
One of a kind. Going to have a UFC fight, championship fight, full fight, like 20, 25,000 people. And we're going to do that as part of 250 also. We're going to have some incredible events, some professional events, some amateur events, but the UFC fight's going to be a big deal, too.
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Matt Holliday
Now, Doug, I'm not. I'm not an MMA guy. I know you watch it. It's not for me, but I know a lot of listeners here are big fans. I get it, get the appeal. I get the popularity. There just seems something a little bit unsavory about having that sport on the grounds of the White House.
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Doug Gottlieb
I don't know if he's like, ancient Rome dude. It's like, look. No, you're not. You're not wrong again. And this comes from somebody who. I mean, we were talking this week, right, about how bought the fights last weekend and. And enjoyed them, but this is. It very, very much feels like the Roman gladiatorial games to celebrate, you know, to celebrate. The emperor doesn't. Yeah. Caesar returns triumphant from Gaul. Let's put the. Let's put the sleeves against the line. It's obviously. And, like, look, Dana's. Dana's been brilliant, right? He's. He navigated the. The COVID landscape. He's embraced President Trump. President Trump goes to. He went to the. The UFC fight. I think it was last. I don't think he went to last one. He went to the previous one, and they all come over and pay homage to him or whatever. But, like, if we think of Americana, I don't think UFC and MMA is. Yeah, I don't think that that's a miss.
- [40:16]
Matt Holliday
I agree with you. Now, the what.
- [40:19]
Doug Gottlieb
And so I guess the question is, what. What would be. Does it have to be baseball? I think so. I think baseball. I wouldn't do it on the Rose Garden. I mean, you've got a Perfectly good baseball stadium in D.C. but it didn't. Yeah, it's like, you know, we have a stadium right around the corner. Like we got this thing. I had a friend who worked for him in the first, in the first administration and he's like, look, when he goes out to speak to people, just understand. A lot of times it's whoever he talked to last that he likes, he's gonna say something they said and it just, it doesn't feel like, I, I, I don't know. We might. Because he, because if you listen to it, he said we might. And then he's like, I'm not gonna build it. Dana's gonna build it. I don't know. 20, 25, 000 seats. Like, like logistics or whatever. It feels like somebody was just spitballing ideas and data's like, you know, we'd like to do it. Like, let's have one out there. Ah, sure. Sounds good. It don't run it by anybody. Don't know logistics possibilities or if it's really a good idea. Just sounded like a good idea at the time.
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Matt Holliday
Now the Dallas Mavericks have announced their roster for the summer league basketball that starts next week. Doug?
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Doug Gottlieb
Sure. Really?
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Matt Holliday
The only name that we care about, the Dallas Mavericks summer league roster is Cooper Flag. I'm just wondering, since your, your other job is a full time Division 1 head coach, like as a coach watching Cooper Flag in his initial games against.
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Doug Gottlieb
Pros, what are you going to be.
- [41:51]
Matt Holliday
Looking for as far as where he's at developmentally and whatnot?
- [41:56]
Doug Gottlieb
I just think how it, how, how do you use him? I think that's the big question, like, what is he? He's a really good player, but he's not a five, you know, is he a wing or is he more kind of 4ish? I know we say, hey, it's positionless basketball. Like, yeah, that sounds good. He's, I wonder if there's, there's this misconception from some people, like, well, he brought the basketball up the court. That doesn't make him a point guard. Right. Like when the Mavericks went to the finals two years ago. Kyrie Irving dribbles the ball a lot and does make plays. But most people will tell you, like, Kyrie's not a point guard, Luka is. So how are you going to use him? Because I don't think the point guard, dominant ball handler thing is his thing at the next level because that comes with making all kinds of reads. It's obviously inorganically going to force him out beyond the three point line. And he's, he's unbelievably skilled and talented, but it's, it's more playing the four than anything else. Like a ball handling four. So I just think how he's used and where his skill set best fits on an NBA floor. And then can he guard anybody yet? Now, you don't really see that in the summer league, but you do get a sense of how they think he's gonna play. What can best accentuate the positives in his game. That's what I'd be looking for most.
- [43:31]
Matt Holliday
Among these summer league debuts that we've seen in the last 25 years. Right. I remember Lonzo was a big deal, I think because of Lavar Ball. Zions was a big deal. You and I went to Vegas for a Wemby's debut. Like, where do you think this ranks among those as far as hype goes for summer league debuts?
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Doug Gottlieb
You mean with Cooper Flag?
- [43:57]
Ben Maller
Yes.
- [43:59]
Doug Gottlieb
Well, because it's supposed to be against Bronnie and the Lakers, I think it will be massive. And look, Bronny should dominate anytime you track these things. Anyone who plays summer league who's played at all in the NBA the year before usually dominates because you're playing against guys that many of them have never played professional basketball for, let alone NBA basketball. But he did have a very enigmatic year even in the G League. He was really inefficient for about the first half of the year and he had one decent game and a blowout in the NBA. So I, I think it's in. It's. It's. Will be atop anybody's charts of all time. Hype. Because one Cooper Flag is a name everybody knows. Everyone knew he'd go number one overall. Then you throw in the Bronny James factor on the other side and it's the Lakers. And Las Vegas is like the second home to Lakers. I think it's right there above that of Wemby and most any other summer league debut that we've seen. Zion Williamson type of debut. That's where I think it ranks. And that's Jason Stewart's news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. I'm Doug Galleypoolian for calling. Coming up in the Herd, a former women's basketball or she's still a women's actual legend. Weighs in on Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. That's upcoming. Next, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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- [49:24]
Doug Gottlieb
Doug Gotleyman for Collins I heard fox Sports Radio, iHeartradio app JSTU and I grew up in Southern California, so we know names like Penny, Penny Tolner, who of course was a superstar at Long Beach State, and Cheryl Miller, who was a superstar at usc. In women's basketball, of course, Cheryl has gone on to being a media star. She was a longtime sideline reporter in the NBA. And now with the WNBA starting to really get some traction, especially with obviously the addition of Caitlin Clark, there's been lots of talk about Caitlin Clark and the Angel Reese rivalry. I heard this. This was Keyshawn Johnson's podcast. He had the great Cheryl Miller on the hall of Famer and she had this to say of the comparison of that rivalry with Magic and Bird. The reason I do it is and it just because I'm old school. You had Magic and Larry who competed in college, but it has championships, so Magic won. Larry didn't. It's kind of like the same thing a little with Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark, but the difference is with the men, it's a Rivalry.
- [50:40]
Matt Holliday
Yeah.
- [50:40]
Doug Gottlieb
And it's. It's great theater. The narrative is always different with the women. We're either petty, we're jealous, envious, you know, we can't just be. Or two people who just generally don't like you.
- [50:55]
Matt Holliday
Yeah.
- [50:55]
Doug Gottlieb
And that's okay. I don't have to like you. I respect your game and everything else, but we don't have to be Kumbaya. But it's the narrative by the media that. That bothers. The narrative with the media? What. What's the narrative with the media? All we can do is evaluate how these women have acted towards Caitlin Clark. And it appears to be about jealousy, about pettiness, not about competitiveness. That's just a reality to it. I mean, every person I speak with, in business, in the business of sports, every person, men and women, they all say, like, I don't understand what's going on with these women. They have the golden ticket. And it's not just that they don't appreciate the golden ticket. They think the golden ticket is supposed to be honored, that they found it. You know, that's the crazy part about it. Obviously, the golden ticket is a reference to Charlie and the chocolate factory.
- [52:16]
Matt Holliday
Right.
- [52:18]
Doug Gottlieb
I mean, just imagine if Charlie, you know who they. His. They had all those people living in one house, like his mom, his. His uncle, his grandpa, whatever, and he gets the golden ticket, and he's like, hey, you're supposed to be honored that me, Charlie found you golden tickets. Like, yeah, that's not how it works. Not how it works. It could be. It. Listen, it could be Magic and Bird. The problem is that Angel Reese right now, and even, you know, Caitlin Clark, but not anywhere near the two best players in the game, or especially. She's not at that level yet. Nor do people actually care that much about how good you are. It's just about following. And Caleb Clark they love. And Angel Reese is polarizing. Come next, Lamar Jackson's gonna try and do something as a leader. I don't know if he's equipped to do. What is it? Find out Next in the herd.
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Doug Gottlieb
So in the last month the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro all combined.
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Katie Couric
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Doug Gottlieb
We just want people to live their lives and be happy and be able to enjoy it without some, you know, lunatic screaming in their face every three seconds.
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Katie Couric
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Doug Gottlieb
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Matt Holliday
I also want to address the Tonys.
- [55:00]
Katie Couric
On a recent episode of Checking in.
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Doug Gottlieb
With Michelle Williams, I open up about.
- [55:04]
Katie Couric
Feeling snubbed by the Tony Awards, do I? I was never mad. I was disappointed because I had high.
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Matt Holliday
Hopes to hear this and more on.
- [55:14]
Doug Gottlieb
Disappointment and protecting your peace.
- [55:17]
Katie Couric
Listen to Checking in with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Doug Gottlieb
This is an iHeart podcast.