Colin Cowherd (2:12)

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Eddie (2:32)

Now let's get this party started.

Colin Cowherd (2:34)

You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Here we go. Live in Chicago, wherever you may be. However you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mack. I took the train to work today. Haven't done that in my entire career. After what was an amazing playoff game, I just got to look at the ratings for the Lakers playoff game. Seven and a half million people watched. You do not have to be a basketball fan if you're a casual as they as KD calls it, a casual. Were you not glued to that game last night?

Steve (3:10)

Oh, incredible theater. I can't believe Steve Kerr pulled off the hack a shack to get Adams off the floor. Genius stuff from Steve Kerr.

Colin Cowherd (3:18)

So I'm watching that game last night and then I go to the box score this morning. Houston did so many things that were good enough to win. Great field goal percentage. Didn't take a lot of threes but hit a lot of them. Very good on the glass. Dominate points in the paint. But what about late game execution? That's the NBA playoffs. It was such a classic Warrior playoff win. Draymond's on the floor getting a tee. The game is chippy. Steph's good but lets a teammate step up and dominate the fourth. And Jimmy Butler and they have always like one young guy. This time it's pods who plays a key role. But this series has been about who makes the play in the moment. That's the warriors and you saw Houston's inexperience on display. Jalen Green, a borderline all star for them. Zero points in the second half. Three of four games, single digits. And again they're relying on him. His big game. They won the three. He hasn't played well, lost all of them. So Houston's go to scores in the fourth quarter. Fred Van Vliet and a 22 year old big. That's it. Their final shot is classic young team trying to win a game. A 15 foot fallaway. So I think what makes this more impressive is that basically the warriors have conceded size and physicality. They're not playing Kaminga. They're bare barely playing Kayvon Looney. So they're conceding it. Nope. You're going to be bigger, stronger, more athletic and deeper. But we're going to shoot twice as many threes. And it's not like the Rockets didn't hit their threes. But this is where pods was so crucial last night. The warriors always even in their great teams there's always a bench guy or a young guy that makes an impact. And Jimmy Butler like a Wiggins. His team gets tired of him and then you go to the finals and Wiggins is playing the Celtics and you're like, oh, we wouldn't win the finals without him. And last night in the fourth quarter, it's like, yeah, they don't win the game without Jimmy Butler. And this is how we've talked about this. I can't believe they're doing it. I mean, there's so many advantages for Houston, but this is how the playoffs work. You got to crawl before you walk. So three of the rocket starters are 23 or younger. Well, Colin, what about the bench? Yeah, they go to the bench to a 23 year old and a 21 year old. So it's like, it's just. In fact, I would argue Stephen Adams, old, old Steven Adams was probably the most consistent Rocket last night. Rebounding, physicality and defense. So what, What? This is what scares everybody in the west about the warriors, that Curry doesn't have to be great. They now have a second score. Who's often better? Pods can light it up. Well, he felt like he, you know, you come with these young guys. Houston's got tons of them. The warriors got one young guy, and Pods is like, can I take shots? Is this my moment? And he felt it. So Pods will probably this point forward give you that. A couple of games in the series, but I mean, to be able to win when Curry's not great and Jimmy Butler can lead in the fourth quarter. And then there was a rebound, a very big rebound at the end of the game was so classic Jimmy Butler. You have all these trees, all this size, all this length for the Houston Rockets. And here's Scrappy Jimmy Butler outmaneuvering out, physical jumping and seizing the rebound. I mean, between Draymond's defense late on Sengun, between Jimmy Butler's rebound, between, you know, Buddy Heald. Classic Warriors. All year long people complain. Let's get rid of Buddy Heald. No, no, not really. Remember the Warriors? The Miami Heat team that had like, Miller and Batt and they disappear for moments, but how many big threes did they hit in those heels? Playoff runs for four years. This was a classic Warrior performance. And here's Steve Kerr on Jimmy Butler. It's the playoffs and he's Jimmy Butler.

Steve (7:22)

So this is, this is what he does.

Colin Cowherd (7:24)

The rebound at the end was just incredible. The elevation, the force. Then of course, knocking down the, the. The free throws to clinch it. Yeah, Jimmy was just amazing. Okay, so probably the most fun yet. The most difficult thing I cover, and we cover all year long, is not games, it's the NFL draft, because I've said this many times, you get lied to for a month to two months up to it. And so often during the draft and every few drafts, there's a guy that really falls, precipitously falls. This year it was Shadour Sanders. It's been Aaron Rodgers, it's been Dan Marino. Every few years, somebody falls a lot. And so. But those stories don't come out until like the fall and after the fall, right? And so Albert Brewer had a great article on Chidor Sanders and one of the things we talked about, this is what I was told on Friday after the herd, a GM told me, if he doesn't go by pick 37, 38, he's now a backup. And there's a lot of teams that do not want that circus as a backup. Albert Breer in his article says teams generally want backups to blend in with the furniture. It's why guys like Tebow had trouble finding jobs and why guys like Cam Newton and Jay Cutler struggled at the end of their career to find jobs. That's what we talked about, but there were two other things that came out that I hadn't heard of. These are huge factors. So a lot of times when you go to these combine meetings, teams give you things to challenge you. Teams will have a player's worst plays ready for him and they'll show him his worst plays and say, hey, why don't you explain them? And Shedeur apparently didn't take to it well. And at one point, one of the few teams that actually was interested in him said, well, what do you make of this really bad play? And Chador said, you know, maybe I'm not the guy for you. That's not the answer since there were only three or four teams in the first round that we're going to consider it now that Pittsburgh apparently has a deal with Aaron Rodgers. So take them out another moment. What they do during the film and the combine and the meetings is teams will install mistakes intentionally planted in the install and they want you to catch them. Shador didn't. And when a coach called him out once again, it didn't sit well. It's like, bro, there's not many teams needing quarterbacks, especially since Pittsburgh appears to have a deal with Aaron Rodgers and Tennessee's getting Cale Moore. So you're down to the Giants, who were not interested at all, and Cleveland, who traded out of that two spot because clearly they were looking for next year's class like the Rams are. And I heard a lot of this. What about John Elway, his dad didn't want him to play. What about Eli Manning? John Elway is probably. Now let's take out the probably. He's the greatest quarterback prospect of all time. I'm old enough to have watched him in college. There was no Elway pre L way. He was a first ballot hall of Famer. Talent. I mean, you think Andrew Luck was ballyhooed and talked about ADD personality. I mean Elway could have played for the Yankees. Okay, his football family, the Elway family. So he's not Elway. And oh by the way, he's not Eli, who was a much better prospect. Go look up his draft review. You can look it up on the Internet. Also Eli's brother, maybe you've heard of him. Peyton was the MVP of the league in Eli's last year in college. So he's not Eli. When you've got unbelievable skill like Deion Sanders did, you can sandbag interviews. Deion did and bragged about it. Elway could have. Elway's dad can play a role. Eli's family. And Archie Manning wasn't jerky about it. He's just like, I don't want him playing for the Chargers. So I think this comes down to, let's be honest, dad and Shador Sanders had a much higher opinion of themselves than the league did. It happens. It's not the end of the world. Again, I've, I've said this before. Where you land is more important than how high you land. Honestly, if Cam Ward was going to sit beside behind Matt Stafford for two years of the Rams, probably a better place to go than number one in Tennessee because you make your money on your second contract. But here's something to really think about because one of the few teams that was interested at least going into it in January and February into the draft evaluation was the New York Giants. Think about this. The Giants offered, they wanted a quarterback. They offered Tennessee two first round picks to get Cam Ward. Tennessee said no thanks. Then they traded three picks for Jackson Dart. So one of the teams that was willing to give up major picks for a quarterback eventually did. And the worst interview Shedeur had was reportedly with that team, the New York Giants. So again it just. Boomera Siason also came out yesterday, a popular New York radio host, former NFL MVP quarterback with Cincinnati. He came out and said he was told multiple teams owners said we're not doing this entitled nonsense. So I think in hindsight, and this is why the draft is incredibly difficult to cover, you're lied to constantly. I'm not lied to before a Rockets warriors game or a Super bowl or March Madness. Nobody's lying to me. I've been saying this for years. I have three or four executives I really trust in the NFL and not many others. In fact, my rule has always been I will not ask an executive in the NFL a question about a player if that team needs that player. I could ask a GM like Brett Veach in Kansas City about quarterbacks because he's got one. But I'm not going to ask him about left tackles because he doesn't. And I know he's going to give me an answer that's fuzzy and I'm putting him in a bad spot. So I think that the truth of the matter is when you start looking at these stories, they're coming out now. It's a classic example. There weren't many job openings and once he became a backup, once he turned off the Giants, nobody wanted. They want a backup, as Albert Breer said, to blend in with the furniture. And he's not a blend in. He's not from a blend in with a furniture family. Yeah, be legendary. Before you call yourself that. It's. How about that's a rule going forward for quarterbacks. Just, just be legendary. Gotta be better than 13 and 12 in college. Be legendary. Before you do a draft room and it's painted all over the draft room. And again, it's not the end of the world. But what do we always say on the show when you're a quarterback, everything is something. Nothing's everything but that legendary is something. All right, J. Mac, these. I think we have a bunch of NBA playoff games tonight. How many we have tonight? Three or four playoff games tonight.

Steve (14:35)

Four games tonight. Bucks, Pacers starts at 6:00pm Pacific Time. I think three or. Sorry, 3:00 Pacific, 6 Eastern. That's an early start. Pacers, Bucks. The end of the Giannis era. I can't wait for you to open that. The show with that tomorrow.

Colin Cowherd (14:51)

All right. Yeah, first show in Chicago. We're going to go back, back and forth. L. A and Chicago a little bit. Nobody cares about that except me. Obviously. Taking the train to work was fun today. I'd never done that before. But coming up next, I've argued about it. I think there's proof we were right on it, that the NBA doesn't need a face of the league. We've got that. Next. Be sure to catch live Ed of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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Colin Cowherd (18:08)

All right, welcome back. We've talked about this a lot on this show about this need for the face of the league. First of all, I do think an international player can be the face of the NBA because Shohei Ohtani is the face of baseball. Could I have if I'd have told you 15 years ago, yeah, the face of baseball. I mean, Ichiro was popular, but the face of baseball will not be from the States. You'd have said, whoa, whoa. The face of baseball is Ohtani. Aaron Judge is second. It's okay. Ovechkin Hockey, we've talked about this. Messi is now the face of the mls folks. The borders, they're all fuzzy now. It's globalization. It's all fuzzy. But I do think it helps if you have a domestic face of the league for basketball. I don't think NBA is better if it's more domestic. In fact, I think it's better if it's more European. I think in European influence makes the game more skilled, especially with big guys. But I do think there's an argument that if I can watch you in March Madness for a couple years, like college football, Baker Mayfield, then you go to the pros. I think it helps because a lot of these international guys, they just don't want to be faced of the league. Jokic has no interest, but ant checks a lot of boxes. Now, he did go to a football school. He didn't make March Madness and he got drafted by the Minneapolis T Wolves. Minnesota Tea Wolves. That doesn't help. But he's handsome. His game is dynamic. The worst thing you can do is try to force this, like the Jayson Tatum thing. Jayson Tatum's a great player, but his game is fundamentally great. Fundamentals don't feel like face of the league. Tim Duncan was called the big fundamental. He was never the face of the league. It doesn't mean he wasn't the best power forward. I think I heard Charles Barkley say last week he thought Tim Duncan was the best power forward of all time. I probably agree, but he was a fundamental player. Jayson Tatum, Mike Trout feel more like that. You know, there is an aesthetic to being great. Now. I do think it helps if you knock out LeBron and the Lakers. I do think it helped last year beating and knocking out the defending champion Denver Nuggets. I think that stuff really helps. But going to Minneapolis, playing at Georgia, not Making March Madness makes it an uphill climb. And I think that's one of the things about being face of the league in the NBA. The NBA is very different. In the NFL, it's all about winning. Nobody cares about anything else. Basketball is different. Optics matter. Style matters. The first player I fell in love with was Dr. J. He wasn't the best shooter, the best ball handler. He was cool, sweeping his hands under the back. It was like I'd never seen anything like that. And many, I mean, I've argued there's only been five to six faces of the league ever. Magic and Bird. More magic than Bird because magic embraced it. LeBron, MJ staff, Kobe, Shaq, that's it. Duncan was never that Kobe by himself. I didn't think was ever that it was more of a Kobe Shaq tandem deal. But I, I we the ratings for these playoff games have been excellent. Lakers game suddenly got a big number. I don't think you have to have Ocean's eleven was fine with a bunch of good actors. The NFL, as popular as it is. Favre retired, Brady retired, Manning retired. Aaron's going to retire. Ratings go up. But we live in a very distracted world right now. And I will say this, the problem the NBA has is its regular season ratings. Well, so does hockey and baseball. So we've talked about this on the show a lot. We've become an event nation with all the distractions. A very polarizing political world. Trump, Biden, it doesn't matter. It's a very polarizing world we live in. Biden was polarizing. Trump's polarizing. So you're just losing people, but you know, when you don't lose them, when the games matter, World Cup, Olympics, NFL Sunday, college football and these playoff games, I think Ant has a chance to be the face of the league. Most of the faces of the league, if not initially, eventually got a great coach. Took Michael a few to get Phil. I do think Chris Finch has a low profile because he has no interest being, you know, front and center. But right now they're out coaching JJ Redick, who I like, but they are throwing so many different lineups and so many different looks. Finch within the league is very highly regarded. So it's not always your first coach and it's not always the Highest profile coach. LeBron's a little bit of an outlier where he's had multiple coaches, but most of the time you get a Magic and a Pat Riley, you get a Michael and a Phil Jackson, you get a Stephen, a Steve Kerr. There's Like a legendary coach. This is the same with quarterbacks. You know, Marino has a Shula. Elway's got a Shanahan. Brady's got a Belichick. Mahomes has an Andy Reid. Breeze has a Sean Payton. Most of the time. Eventually you need that great coach to really understand you, to elevate you, to surround you with the right people. So I think Anthony has a shot to be the face of the league. Knocking the Lakers out will not hurt, and it looks like they will. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no.

J. Mac (23:41)

Turn on the news.

Colin Cowherd (23:42)

This is the Herd line news. And the other thing, J. Mack, to throw this out there. I'd argue it's a better plan of action to not have a face of the league, arguably, because when MJ left for eight years, the ratings fell off. When Shaq and Kobe broke up the ratings. I mean, let's be honest. Hollywood now is depending every year on a Tom Cruise movie in Minecraft. That's what the industry's. I mean, they're literally. Or a Christopher Nolan movie. Sinners. Come on.

Steve (24:09)

That's popping.

Colin Cowherd (24:10)

It's supposed to be great. That's supposed to be great. Yeah.

Steve (24:13)

All right, let's get started with the Dallas Cowboys. Colin, they kind of had a good draft pick, I guess, in Tyler Booker, 12th overall. He made a great impression going on the Micah Parsons podcast. Very impressive stuff. Jerry Jones introduced the first round pick to the media and made a lofty comparison.

Colin Cowherd (24:32)

Listening to Tyler, I'm reminded that I don't know that we ever see a Super bowl that I would have a chance to be a part of if it weren't for Michael Urban. And Michael, we know the competitor, we know the challenger, and we know the spirit. But the part of Michael Irvin that was most impressive because he was the leader. Yeah. I'm not going to. I'm not going to compare a guard to Michael Irvin. I think. I think Aikman also had a say in this. You know what's interesting? There's a guy, you know, I'm Warren Sharp.

Steve (25:13)

Yes.

Colin Cowherd (25:13)

So Warren Sharp is if you really. He comes out with a book every year and it's like an LA phonebook. I mean, if you love. It's like Phil Steele. You got to love football to love it. But it's super.

Steve (25:21)

I get it.

Colin Cowherd (25:22)

Warren. Warren Sharp. Yeah, I get it, too. And I go through it. Warren Sharp points out that there are some analytics on Tyler Booker, the Cowboys that. That predict he's going to struggle. But there is something, I think what Jerry's saying is there are players that are at a certain level are passionate and they're, they sort of galvanize the team. They're kind of front and center off the bus. And I do think Booker has that quality. But there are, there are some analytics, if you look at his length and you look at some stats that tell you it may have been a reach.

Steve (25:57)

So I don't totally disagree with you. I will take it a different direction. So we know Jerry Jones is old school. He's very much like the current president. When they watch TV and hear stuff being said about them, they kind of respond. Michael Irvin was on this show, you remember, on Friday. Yeah, Michael Irvin was not raving about what the Cowboys did. I think this was an olive branch. Hey Mike, I know you didn't love the Booker pick. I know you don't love the direction and we need other stuff but man, we got a guy who's a leader. I think this is Jerry trying to win back over one of his favorite all time players. Not that he lost him, but I think a lot of Cowboys fans were kind of scratching their head. Colin with an inferior lineman. Top 15 when there are needs at wide receiver and all over the defense.

Colin Cowherd (26:39)

Yeah, I mean, listen, I didn't like the Miami Dolphins draft. I thought the Niners draft was weird and I haven't in recent years been impressed with the Cowboy drafts. I just haven't. I tend to like the drafts of the GMs who I think are brilliant. Howie Roseman, John Snyder in Seattle, Brett Veach in Kansas City. I think Bean in Buffalo is really, really good. I don't want to, I. There's about, you know, Jason Light in Tampa seems to me always gets good players. I. Dallas has been weird where I look at a lot of their draft picks and I always feel like, yeah, I don't remember him from college where I, where I watched the Seahawks draft picks. I'm like, I watched all of those guys in big games and they were all productive and so we'll see. I'm not going to hand out grades. I just don't really know. But I have felt in recent years with Dallas picks that they've been pretty good on their first pick and then it's just a, a bunch of stuff.

Steve (27:36)

I have a feeling by Halloween we're going to have to revisit this because this could be like a five or six win Cowboys team. You and I agree on that. I don't think Booker's significantly moving the needle with that team. All right, next up Is Ben Johnson Colin? He's in the early stages of reshaping the Chicago Bears. Now, this is interesting. Following the draft, Johnson spoke to the media saying he doesn't know for sure what players will be in what spot because everyone has to earn their spot.

Unknown (28:05)

The moment the players got back in the building. Call it three weeks ago now, it.

Colin Cowherd (28:09)

Was going to be a competitive environment there. There is no depth chart right now.

Unknown (28:14)

If you want to play, you got.

Colin Cowherd (28:15)

To go earn it. If you want a role, you got to go earn it.

Unknown (28:18)

They know that. So we were very straightforward and honest.

Colin Cowherd (28:21)

With them when they came into the building. I think all we did this weekend was we might have just turned up.

Unknown (28:26)

The notch, just a couple of dials for certain people in the building. So that's a good thing.

Colin Cowherd (28:31)

That's a healthy thing. That's where you bring out the best, not only in your team, but in each individual. You know, I, I had said this before Caleb got picked. I said, I really worry about Chicago. They just don't do quarterback well. Years ago, when I lived in Connecticut, there was a private boys school. It was called Avon Old Farms. And I knew parents who sent their sons there and they always said they do boys well. Like they get boys at, at 18, 19 get into trouble. Like, like the Bears don't do quarterback well, and they never have. It's always been a defensive culture. This is the first time in my life and I've been watching football since, you know, early mid-70s. I can remember watching on a black and white TV. Washington, Miami, George Allen against Miami in the Super Bowl 1972. Miami won at 14, 7. I think it's the first time I've looked at the Chicago Bears and thought, oh, this is an offensive franchise. You got to give them credit. Remember a few years ago, Miami did this when they had Brian Flores, the defensive coach, and he was alienating Tua and they said, okay, we're going to go. We're going to pivot to an offensive franchise. Tyreek hill, Mike McDaniel. I honestly think that's harder than people think. The Steelers can't do this. They've been struggling with this for a decade. I think the Bears have done something that is very difficult when you've been your best, when you've been dominant defensively in a Midwest town. The Bears have clearly, as a franchise, pivot to do guys. We're spending money on offensive guys. This is what the Steelers should have done seven years ago and can't. It's what the Bears are doing. And I think It's a playoff roster.

Steve (30:10)

Yeah, listen, I would agree with that. The playoff is. The roster is playoff worthy. The schedule is brutal. But to Ben Johnson's point, Colin, I look at this depth chart and I think he was talking about two guys about, hey, nothing's given. I think Cole Comet is one at tight end. I know they like him, he was good. But there's a reason they drafted Colson Loveland 10th overall. And I think the other guy to watch is DJ Moore. He had some moments last year, I'm sure you remember, where he didn't seem thrilled with the quarterback. And I look at that drafting of Luther Burden. That dude is a dog. He is very good, fast. I think I would keep an eye on DJ Moore and Cole Comet. I'm not saying they're losing their jobs or anything, but I don't think anything's given. They're going to have to work for it. It's not like, hey, you're the incumbent, you're a lock. So Chicago is going to be super interesting, obviously. Final story, Colin is the NBA. And listen, you knew this was coming. If you've been watching this show. We've been talking about it for a while. Giannis and the Bucs are in trouble. They are facing elimination in game five tonight. I cannot believe the Pacers are only eight point favorites. It feels like free money. No Dame Lillard, you know the Bucks are shook when everybody's favorite guy, Dame Lillard, goes down with the Achilles. Well, how about this? Brian Windhorst, who you and I know well, believes the entire NBA off season will hinge on Giannis, whether he stays or asks out of Milwaukee that a couple weeks ago was Kevin Durant, now it's Giannis. Your thoughts?

Colin Cowherd (31:35)

Okay, so first of all, everybody's going to freak out in Milwaukee. A lot of teams. The Sacramento Kings, remember that? Never got a ring. You got a ring. Yeah. Now, you didn't get two to three, but you got a trophy. The Denver Nuggets with Joker got a trophy. So you drafted him, you developed him, you got a trophy. We've been on this for three years. You're old. You're not built. You're just too old. I. My take is everybody's going to freak out. But if you do good GMing, you will be set up for a decade. If you go back in the mid-70s, I remember this when Kareem gets traded to the Lakers. Milwaukee got really good players. Now, they never won a title, but they were viable for a decade. They had good teams. They were. We didn't have the Internet. They were on Sports Illustrated all the time. They were. I mean, you talked about the Milwaukee Bucks for about a decade. You could get four firsts. You could get multiple players. One, maybe an all star. Because remember, Giannis is the kind of guy where teams will fight over him.

Dan (32:49)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (32:50)

Look at what Rudy Gobert got. Okay, so this idea that Milwaukee sunk. No, Milwaukee, you're not a viable trophy team. You could be a viable trophy team with the right trade. I mean, good God, if the Mavericks would have gotten three firsts AD and Austin Reaves, you'd feel different about that today.

Steve (33:14)

Colin, I'm sure there's Bucs fans out there who are like, no, we're not trading honest guys. They have zero first round picks for, I believe, the next four drafts. So you can't build through the draft. They are in salary cap hell. They have no, no, nobody on their roster. Colin, anybody wants. Can you believe they have Kyle Kuzma? He is so awful in this series. Bucs fans are out on him. Brook Lopez is what, like 37? There's literally nobody on the roster anybody wants. So there is no path to rebuilding with Giannis. You have to say, giannis, we can quietly trade you. If you ask out, the market shrinks. But like right now, you know, the Orlando Magic could make a play for Giannis and say, we're going to go all in for two years. Like that could happen. Remember Paul George when he asked out of Indy, he went to Oklahoma City. They took a chance. It didn't quite work out. But like, I can see Giannis going to another small market for a couple years. It's possible.

Colin Cowherd (34:03)

Look at, look at what Mikhail bridges got. Yeah, McHale Bridges got five first round picks. So. Because the draft is so wonky in college basketball and NBA now, but I mean, you could set yourself up. I mean, you go back, this is what Danny Ainge has done multiple times. Like in Utah, he's just, will, Oklahoma City did this. Sam Presti. Now, Presti got lucky because as they were building, like Danny Ainge and the Celtics, they were actually good. Presti's that good. Danny Ainge is that good. But this will come down to good GMing. You could easily get four to five first round picks and like two McHale Bridges level players and then another borderline all star. I think you got to look at Houston. I think you could get five first round picks and a Jalen Green. Amen Thompson. I mean, you think that sounds like too much? Go look up Rudy. Go Bear. And Mikhail Bridges and there. By the way, there wasn't a tug of war over Rudy Gobert. I mean, Giannis. There could be seven to 10 teams in the league that fight over Giannis.

Steve (35:07)

Houston could have used Giannis last night down the stretch against Golden State. Huh? They didn't have a go to guy. And I know Green really struggled in that game, but that's a young guy up and down. But Giannis fascinating all offseason.

Colin Cowherd (35:19)

J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news Rocket is giving every home one address Rocket.com a single seamless homeownership platform. If you want to buy, sell, finance, refinance your home. Everything you need, one roof. Go to Rocket.com the new home for all things home ownership. Rock it. Own the dream. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show, Planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

J. Mac (36:49)

Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up is the right thing to do. You know, a degree Cool Rush deodorant. Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go well with their fans.

Eddie (37:00)

Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring back the original Formula One guy even started an online petition.

J. Mac (37:15)

And degree listen they admitted they effed up and are bringing the original Cool Rush scent back. And it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4.

Eddie (37:27)

There's a reason why it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about.

J. Mac (37:40)

Head to your local Walmart or Target to try the OG degree Cool Rush for yourself.

Dan (37:46)

Introducing Instagram Teen Accounts. A new way to keep your teen safer as they grow. Like making sure they always have their seatbelt on.

Colin Cowherd (37:54)

All right, sweetie pie, buckle up. Good job.

Dan (37:57)

Or ring the bell on their bike.

Colin Cowherd (37:58)

Okay, kid, give it a try. Nice.

Dan (38:02)

Or remember their elbow pads.

Colin Cowherd (38:04)

Knees too. Okay. Yep, there you go.

Dan (38:07)

New Instagram Teen accounts. Automatic protections for who can contact your teen and the content they can see.

Colin Cowherd (38:15)

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Steve (39:31)

Showtime on baseball night in America as Shohei Otani leads the Dodgers against the Braves or Bobby Witt Jr. And the Royals take on the Orioles. Check local listings for the game in your area. Saturday 7 Eastern on Fox.

Colin Cowherd (39:46)

Taya Jmac this town screams you. Hard Scrabble. Take the train to work. Fight with the masses really screams JMac.

Steve (39:54)

You signing autographs on the train there?

Eddie (39:56)

No.

Colin Cowherd (39:57)

Okay. Keep my head down and working, baby.

Steve (39:59)

A couple photo ops, huh?

Colin Cowherd (40:00)

No, none of those. So the Niners paid George Kittle. It's a big contract. George Kittle's very good. He's 31. He's been banged up, but he mostly plays every Sunday, so. But I. But I do believe they have to pay George Kittle. So I was thinking about this. I've said before, the Niners missing a lot of draft picks. Shanahan, in my opinion, from what I've been told, kind of controls the draft. I didn't love their draft this weekend. I thought some weird picks. But the Niners are sort of the opposite of the Chiefs and the Rams. The Chiefs walked away from Tyreek Hill, A Sneed, the very talented corner Dee Forge, Charvarius Ward, Joe Tuney. They walked away from JuJu Smith, Schuster. Say what you want. Was their number one receiver in the playoffs. They walked away from him. Why Mahomes? The Rams walk away the minute Cooper cup ages by. Trent Williams has been aging for years. So is Christian McCaffrey. They're not letting him go. Todd Gurley led the league, I think, in touchdowns. Back to back years started aging. McVeigh's like, get him out of here. Because he trusted golf and Kansas City trusts Mahomes is the Niners, they're the opposite. They pay almost everybody, even when they lose. Guys like the safety Hu Funga, they wanted to pay him. They couldn't make it work. But I was looking this morning at the notable Niner contracts. They're top of the market for all of them. Christian McCaffrey, positional money, rank second. George Kittle, first Trent Williams, first Fred Warner, second Nick Bosa, top five. Brandon Aiyuk, top seven as a receiver. And my take is why? Because of Brock Purdy. Dallas does this. They'll pay Micah. Top of the market. They'll pay CD Lamb, Talk of the Mark. Top of the market. Whatever you think about a quarterback, teams are not going to come out and tell you what you want to hear. Guys like me want to hear the Niners be honest about Purdy. They're not going to do that. But what they decide to move off of or resign. I mean, San Francisco's old. Why are the Rams so young? Because they trust McVan Stafford. They move off Jalen Ramsey, a girlie, a cup. They move off good corners. They move off people all the time. The minute you show age, you're out. Vaughn Miller, Bye, Buffalo. You pay him And I think a great head coach and a truly great quarterback gives you so much freedom. Rams don't pay anybody on defense. Look it up. They don't pay anybody. They're the opposite of the Steelers who pay everybody on defense. Why? They have to. They're not good at quarterback. But when you watch Brett Veach in Kansas City, he's got Reed and Mahomes. Chris Jones will pay. Kelsey will pay. Those are hall of Fame guys. But good guys. Very good guys. We'll move off. I'm not knocking the Kittle contract. George deserves it. He plays a physical brand of football, yet is available on every Sunday. Look at Buffalo. They moved off Stefan Diggs, Gabe Davis. No effect. Absolutely no effect. And I'm not. These are all very good tight ends, but they have to pay Christian McCaffrey. They can't move off Trent Williams. They can't. I mean, they paid Deebo, they paid Aiyuk, they paid Kittle, Trent, Christian. They pay everybody because they have to. So if you like Purdy, so do I. But if you love him, he's more dacked. And the Niners are telling you that you don't have a choice. You have to pay CD Lamb. So this story is actually now because it's. It is a little odd and I think nobody's quite sure how to cover it. And I don't think there's any great valor in sticking to an opinion if it's not the right opinion. I've sat on this show for years. I want to get it right, not be right. And I have changed my opinion on Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson's relationship. Yeah, the age gap's a little uncomfortable for people. They're two consenting adults. But it's really interesting, this interview on cbs. So Bill's now got his hands on Spygate, Deflategate and Interview Gate. He's got more gates than O'Hare. Here's the interview Sunday that really changed my mind on how I view his young 24 year old girlfriend, Jordan Hudson. You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.

Steve (44:50)

How do you deal with that?

Colin Cowherd (44:52)

Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right. How did you guys meet? Not talking about this. No, no. Okay. Like that. To me, she's not arm candy. She's a real protective PR director. Social influencer. Bill didn't need that in the NFL. Nobody needs that in the NFL. You need it in college. Who was trending last night in America? Bill Belichick, when the Rockets and Warriors are playing. Yeah, that matters. 18 year olds are on their phone all day. Dad's mostly not in the NFL. You choose the players in college, they choose you. And the truth is, Carolina can't go toe to toe with Ohio State and Oregon and Georgia for nil. And Texas. So they need influence. They need to be connected to young people. And listen, she is a bridge and it works. And when I saw her, not only protect him. I've been in rooms like that and heard PR people say that if you do an interview with 60 Minutes and you're a president, you got about four of those. And they often stop the interview. We're not asking that. That's what a real PR director does. So, yeah, the age thing, I get it's uncomfortable. My wife doesn't like it. Like, I get it. And I didn't like it either. But when I watched that, I was like, okay, that's exactly. I've seen that. That's a professional. And yes, they both have something to gain in the relationship. You know, folks, a lot of people that are dating have something to gain in the relationship. That's sort of the way it works. You find her super attractive. She finds you to be funny. She needs to be funnier and have more fun. You provide it. Right? She's a social magnet, a butterfly. You're not. You're benefiting from it. Everybody's benefiting from something. And so I look at this whole thing now and I see it differently. Yeah, she's attractive. Okay, whatever. She's feisty. She's protecting him. She's a social bridge. She obviously gets the entire currency of stuff that I don't like. Bill 70. I mean, this is a guy that famously called it Snap, Gram, and instachat. Now, I think he was going over the top and had an idea what it was called. But I'm not worried as much about being right as getting it right. And I flipped my opinion on this. There was a moment. Haven't y'all done this in your life where you don't believe in something, you don't believe in something. Like, I don't believe in. I don't believe in UFOs. I think they're either technology, that China's ahead of us, or I think they're our government hiding something. Or I think they're planes and you've had too many cocktails. I don't believe in UFOs, but if one landed next to my house here in Chicago and little green men popped out, I'd have a different take on tomorrow's show. Like, I'm willing to learn stuff. And so, yeah, the minute I see something, I'm not a big believer in ghosts. I think there's spirits. But again, if I was at a hotel, I woke up in the middle of the night and somebody's talking to me in a robe, sitting at the edge of the bed. I gotta be honest. New opinion. I'm hoping that doesn't happen. But the whole thing kind of works for me now. Bill's the star of the show. She's protecting and assisting him. It's okay. For the record, every coach in college football has this kind of assistant. They're not dating them necessarily, but they all have this. Everybody's got this. You're not getting Ryan Day for an interview without an SID sitting next to you. It's not working. They're not Ohio State's Hey Ryan. Go on the local show. Whatever. It's not the way it works. So, J. Mac. I know, J. Mac, you still are struggling with the age gap. I understand that. I can't hear you, J. Mac. For some reason, I can't hear you.

Steve (48:44)

I think it's very cool that Bill Belichick is dating a 25 year old. The problem is she's starting to get increasingly involved in UNC business interviews. Colin, that is not great. But I like what you said at the outset. This is tough to like, cover. I don't know how to talk about this situation. It's just. This is new ground. Like, when was the last time you discussed a coach dating someone 50 years younger than him?

Colin Cowherd (49:08)

Yes, it's different. There's a. You know, it's. It's again. When Bill went to Carolina, my takeaway was he's going to have no time for the bureaucracy of the NCAA or the bureaucracy of a college campus. Where can you come watch the volleyball match tonight? Okay. Have you heard about this? Last year, Degree changed the formula for their Cool Rush deodorant. The fans rebel and wanted the old sent back and Degree listen. And that doesn't happen often. They admitted they effed up and are bringing the original Cool Rush scent back. And it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. There's a reason why it's the number one man's antiperspirant. And it's back in Walmart, Target and other stores. Now for under $4, so try it and see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart target and try the OG Cool rush for yourself. Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A nice tan? Sorry, A box fan? Happily, yes. A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines? Yes, Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details.

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Colin Cowherd (51:05)

It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddie Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dos Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former that 70s show castmate Topher Grace stops by the speakeasy for a two part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times. We were still in that place of like, what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time. But it was like such a perfect golden time. Listen to Dos amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.