Unknown (12:40)

Yeah. OKC minus six. Now it's dipped to five and a half in some spots. Obviously. I'm shocked that the market didn't move yesterday when I said I'm on the Pacers in game four. But, you know, whatever. I'm surprised you haven't picked the game yet.

Jason McIntyre (12:53)

I don't feel I'm not going to bet against Indiana here. We both loved Indiana in game three. Just think about what could happen tonight in American sports. Everybody, you know, the people that cover this league in the locker rooms day in, day out. If you would have pulled the coaches and the GMs, nobody would have picked Indiana to win the championship. They were not favored against first round or Milwaukee. Now we. I think we both love them over Milwaukee. We thought it was a great matchup for them. I didn't like him over Cleveland. You did New York, Indiana. I kind of liked Indiana, but it was slight and I liked Oklahoma City. Think about all the knowledge in the NBA, the media, the coaches, the GMs. If you'd have polled all of them including the players, remember Halliburton was voted most overrated player. Nobody would have picked the Pacers to win the championship. And if they win tonight they will be up 3:1. And I think that the numbers are something like 88%, 92% winning if they win that game, which by the way they have been the much better fourth quarter team. Oklahoma City is clearly younger and not as good on the road and Halliburton right now is once again like he did against Milwaukee, Cleveland and New York controlling the pace of the series.

Unknown (14:05)

OKC by the way, 08 against the spread on the road have not covered one road game in the postseason yet. For some reason everybody's obsessed with their season long net rating. Everybody's got OKC tonight. Colin I don't see it. Give me the Pacers.

Jason McIntyre (14:19)

Once again teams are 37 and 1 in the finals when leading 3 to 1. If Indiana wins tonight folks, what a revelation that nobody in the league, no gm, I mean outside of Indiana's group, nobody would have picked them, which I guess this is the NBA. Adam Silver wanted I know the ratings aren't great. I find it interesting. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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Unknown (22:31)

Heard on the news.

Jason McIntyre (22:32)

This is the Herd line news.

Unknown (22:34)

All right, Colin, let's bust right into it. Game four is tonight. OKC at Indiana. The focus right now is on SGA. He did finish for 24 points in game three, but only four assists, had six turnovers. And Colin, I've got some late game numbers I'm going to give you in a second that are horrible for him. But here's what SGA said talking to the media yesterday. You got to suck it up.

Jason McIntyre (22:57)

You have to. There's maximum four games left in the.

Unknown (23:04)

Season, and.

Jason McIntyre (23:08)

It'S what you work the whole season for. It's what you work all summer for. So the way to me, the way I see it is.

Unknown (23:13)

You gotta, you suck.

Jason McIntyre (23:14)

You gotta suck it up, get it done and try to get a win.

Unknown (23:19)

After Game 3 about how tired he was because they were picking him up full court and putting him in action when he was on defense. Colin is. Are these MVP numbers on the screen for a fourth quarter for sga? Now one game was a blowout, but games one and three were close. And he's done nothing less than an assist in the fourth quarter in the NBA Finals. Are you kidding me?

Jason McIntyre (23:40)

I was thinking about this about SGA the other night when I was watching the game. So let's just. I'm older than you, obviously, but if you think about the dynasties in the NBA, Bill Russell, Kareem Magic Bird, Shaq Kobe, LeBron, Steph. Do I believe SGA historically is as good as any of those players? Well, I'm asking you.

Unknown (24:05)

No way.

Jason McIntyre (24:06)

Okay, that was my point. And so SGA, like the 70s NBA is in this space where there's a lot of really exceptional players. Jason Tatum, sga. But do they look at the history of dynasties in the NBA? These are like, there's like seven, eight. Russell, Kareem Michael, Magic Bird, Steph LeBron. You see? You see what I'm saying here? To be in a dynasty, a multiple championship dynasty they all have. And I think Tim Duncan, many think Tim Duncan would start on the all time starting five at your power forward. They're all top 10 players ever. So as I like SGA, maybe we're just overstating. The fact right now is that the talent in the NBA is so wide widespread that everybody's got, you know, the top teams all have several good players. Now I think Jokic is an all timer now, so that could splinter my argument because I do think Jokic is an all timer. But SGA may be the leading scorer, but we don't put him in the LeBron MJ bird class. So as he is struggling here and gets to his first finals, maybe we just need to pump the brakes and realize he is, he is an exceptional player. He's not an all timer.

Unknown (25:28)

And that's one of the issues I have when people are like, SGA's getting to the mid range like Kobe.

Jason McIntyre (25:32)

Whoa, whoa.

Unknown (25:34)

We're taking a few leaps here. Somebody clipped off some ESPN reporter on a podcast saying if SGA wins scoring title, mvp, championship and finals mvp, he's going to the hall of Fame. And I saw it on social media. I was like, are you kidding? People are talking about SGA in the hall of Fame. Colin. That's. And this is a larger issue with the NBA. That's how desperate they are to hype up this, this series.

Jason McIntyre (25:56)

Let me ask you.

Unknown (25:58)

Give me a break.

Jason McIntyre (25:58)

Go. Go to the. Even the early days of Kareem and Russell and Magic and Bird and LeBron and MJ and Steph and Duncan. Would you even consider trading them? No. But SGA was a Clipper and ended up in okc. Now, you could say, well, he was a slow guy to develop, but if you look the dynasties in league history, nobody was thinking of trading people. And SGA was a Clipper. That. That doesn't mean I don't think he's great. That doesn't mean he's an adult. He's a profound, profound offensive player. We all like him. But it is interesting. We. We've kind of moved him into an arena because of stats. James Harden's offensive stats were through the roof.

Unknown (26:47)

Huh?

Jason McIntyre (26:48)

Let's just. I think those numbers that you point out in the fourth quarter is. That is a little alarming because of what the Pacers have shown. If you throw a lot of bodies at him, he wears down.

Unknown (27:00)

Yeah, that's the strategy. And by the way, they started to double him because, listen, as a basketball player, if you don't get the ball for a little bit and then you finally get it, you're looking to score. And the Pacers knew that. And they would send OB Toppin on the double. And SGA kept making poor decisions. Colin, I do have some bad news for the Pacers fans. They just announced that Scott Foster is going to be the referee tonight. You're familiar with this word? I see the groan, I see the grimace. Cow herd is not happy. So some Pacers fans are already pulling the numbers with Scott Foster, Indiana 6 and 13. Allegedly. That's their record. I don't like this at all. We know Scott Foster's history.

Jason McIntyre (27:38)

What is his history?

Unknown (27:41)

He extends series. That's. That's his joke. He's the extender. He comes in, hey, Scotty, we got some problems here. We need you to extend the series.

Jason McIntyre (27:48)

Let me.

Unknown (27:48)

Let me. Free throws tonight.

Jason McIntyre (27:50)

Watch. Let me defend Scott Fox.

Unknown (27:52)

Oh, please try.

Jason McIntyre (27:54)

So he's the series extender? Yeah. Could I not argue? They put him on the biggest series. And when you have a great series with two great teams, it's not a sweep. They don't. You don't. They don't put him on a crappy series. They put him in the best series with the best matchups and the best teams because he's competent. And those series, I mean, Michael Jordan. How many final sweeps did he have? None. So the truth is Foster gets on better series and they're there. Those series always go five or six or seven games.

Unknown (28:24)

Scott Foster is like when the Chiefs don't get called for a holding penalty for like three Super Bowls. That, that's where it's like Scott Foster stuff. I don't like this at all, but I'm optimistic. All right, let's go to the second story. Colin, this is a big meatball for you. Jalen Hurts. Your guy, one of your favorite quarterbacks that's not six foot four. Hey, he's coming off a Super Bowl MVP destroying the Chiefs. Did you know this, Colin? Jalen Hurts is working with his sixth offensive coordinator in as many seasons and the media asked him about it.

Jason McIntyre (28:56)

He'll be your sixth play caller going back to Doug, your rookie year.

Unknown (29:01)

Six. Six, right.

Jason McIntyre (29:03)

I don't count. There is a dynamic of adaptability that you have to be able to have and find success regardless of what the leadership looks like, what the voice is, who's in the quarterback room coaching me or who's out there calling plays.

Unknown (29:19)

Yeah, yeah, no big deal. Six offensive coordinators in six years. Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes just gifted.

Jason McIntyre (29:25)

Andy.

Unknown (29:25)

Andy Reid. Yeah. Colin, we have some more stats for you in the Jalen Hurts argument. So since he entered the league in, in 2020, right, he is third in wins, third in total touchdowns, and third in total yards, only behind Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. He's ahead of Joe Burrow, he's ahead of Lamar Jackson. He stays healthy. Jaylen Herz wins and scores touchdowns, and he's had six offensive coordinators in six years.

Jason McIntyre (29:54)

First of all, don't marginalize me that I don't like him. I do like him. I think he's. I think he's a like the ninth, tenth best quarterback in the league. Maybe eighth. Maybe so. First of all. But if you were GM tomorrow, your gm Burrow and Hertz are on the board. Who do you take?

Unknown (30:09)

Well, okay, I, I guess I would lean Joe Burrow, but there's only four guys I would take over. Jalen Hurts. That's it. That's it. I mean, I don't know how you have C.J. stroud over Jalen hurts off one good season and the next season was, eh.

Jason McIntyre (30:24)

Okay, Philadelphia. Philadelphia surrounds Jalen with pretty good players coordinator. My hot take of the day.

Unknown (30:32)

Can you imagine if your radio show had six different producers in six years? You'd be so frustrated. Final story. Colin. Oh, here we go. Cowboys. Brian Schottenheimer. Boy, he is very fired up about this season. He doesn't care about the 7 and 10 mark last year. Schottenheimer believes they're going to be so good that teams are going to come and poach their coaching staff in the off season.

Jason McIntyre (30:55)

We look for opportunities for the younger coaches to get up in front of position groups and lead meetings and, and do things and we give them projects all the time because we're gonna win. And when we win, our coaching staff is going to get raided and people are going to come after our coaches because we're going to win. Yeah, I'm going to push back on that. I don't, I don't think that's going to happen.

Unknown (31:19)

So you know what the joke is going to be all season? Brian Schottenheimer's initials are B.S. and it sounds like everything coming out of his mouth is pretty much that. I mean, Colin, their offensive coordinator is a gentleman named Clayton Adams. He was an offensive line coach in Arizona last year. Now their D.C. you're probably familiar with a fellow by the name of Eberfluss who was a good D.C. and Indy and then he was a head coach in Chicago. And how did that work out? I'm, I'm, I'm spacing.

Jason McIntyre (31:47)

No, it's. I think this is. And I think. Let's go back to why the Cowboys are in the dilemma they're in. Mike McCarthy chose to leave the franchise. Let's. That, that should not be lost on anybody. Mike McCarthy left the Cowboys and he left them in somewhat of a lurch, which I'm sure Jerry Jones is bitter about. But just why would Mike McCarthy leave this franchise? And I don't know what Mike made, but probably 7,8 million a year somewhere about that in a state with no income tax. Why would, why would he leave? He would leave because he didn't like what he saw. He knew Jaden Daniels was going to be a problem so he would have a quarterback deficit. And he knows Philadelphia's roster. He's got about four guys that can start on it. This whole Cowboy situation goes back to ask yourself this. How many 50 plus year old head coaches making 7 to 8 million dollars a year with a huge brand opt to leave? That doesn't happen in pro. That does not happen in the NFL. This, this situation is much more dire than anybody wants to acknowledge. In Dallas. Mike McCarthy chose to leave. Doesn't work that way. When's the last time that happened? It's gonna get ugly, dude. It's gonna get ugly in Dallas. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. You know, J. Mac, I'm surprised you have not inquired about my dinner last night.

Unknown (33:27)

Oh, I didn't want to put you on the spot, big guy. I was going to do it during the commercial break, but you want to talk to the audience about hanging out with some big wigs in Chicago.

Jason McIntyre (33:36)

It's not hanging out with big wigs. I had, I had been trying for the last month to meet the president of the Chicago Bears. Kevin Warren and I did last night. We had a great dinner and had a lot of people that we really liked or admired in common. Really good friends, people that I really like and rely on and trust. And he was really good friends with a lot of them. So it was a really, really fun dinner. He also brought maybe the best wine I've ever had in my life. But beyond that, there was a lot of information garnered last night and there was also an interesting discussion. He asked me my opinion on Caleb Williams and what it's going to take and I'll share that with you. Having been in Los Angeles, he knew I was around the program. We talked about that and I'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, we're Kavino and Rich, FOX Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber lips blaming me. Well, you know what it's called Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course we're. But we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go. Over promising. And remember you could see it on YouTube, but definitely join Us Listen to Over Promise with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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America on fox and a historic rival is at it again as Aaron Judge and the Yankees take on Raphael Devers and the Red Sox or the Padres battle the Diamondbacks. Check local listings for the game in your area tomorrow, 7 Eastern on Fox.

Jason McIntyre (39:12)

Those Yankee Red Sox games last weekend, I think Fox had ratings on a three year high. So baseball, the renaissance, all the changes Rob Manfred has made, they are working. So if you've ever been, I don't think I've ever been in this situation, but if you're a young person, you could be 8 years old at 23 and you're in survival mode. Maybe you're in an abusive relationship, you have chaos in your life. You, it could be from parents, it could be from siblings. You're in survival mode. There's not a lot of growth, right? Like it's hard to grow in chaos. You're just trying to go day to day, meal to meal, week to week and survive. And I'll start with that because I had dinner last night with the president of the Bears, Kevin Warren. We were talking a lot about this. He knows I've been in Los Angeles. He knows I was close to the program. And you know, USC is now in the Big Ten and he now, which he used to be the president of, and we were talking a lot about Caleb Williams. And I said, first of all, I said he was better than you give him credit for. If you go last year, remember they fired their head coach, they fired their offensive coordinator and their passing game coordinator became their interim head coach against Dan Campbell, Matt Leflore and Kevin o' Connell. Not great. And yet he set A Bears rookie quarterback record for passing yards and touchdowns and didn't have many turnovers. But Jaden Daniels was so good. There's a comp people comparing and he didn't look nearly as good. But what I said last night is here's what I witnessed. So the first year at usc, Caleb Williams was absolutely magical. I mean, people were saying he would have been the first guy picked if he'd come out after that year. So we saw a little bit in Oklahoma. Magical. First year at USC. Magical. Well, the first six games of his second year at USC, he had 21 touchdowns and one pick. Six, zero. He was magical. So if you go to his first 16, 17, 18 games at USC, I mean, this kid was unbelievable. And then the last six games, it was a disaster. What happened? And that's what we talked about. I said usc, where Kevin Warren went in college, USC sacked him six times. They had been doing smoke and mirrors on the offensive line and pass pro pass protection. And it all unraveled against a really good coach and a really good Notre Dame defense. And it that point forward Lincoln Riley knew he had the number one draft pick and didn't want him to get hurt. So he went into protection mode with Caleb. Shrinks the playbook just doesn't. Just doesn't allow him to run certain stuff. And Caleb, knowing he's going to be the number one pick, thought I I'm in survival mode, I can get hurt out here. And I agreed with him. So the coach and the quarterback didn't trust the protection. They shrink the playbook and he's just trying to get through the season. He then goes to Chicago, ends up with a passing game coordinator as a head coach. The staff in Chicago is in survival mode. Caleb Williams is in survival mode and there's no growth in survival mode. And so Ben Johnson's job in Chicago is extreme quarterback makeover. The talent's all there, but they've got to renovate the house because Caleb is last six games at USC and last season, along with the Bears staff last season, it's just surviving. It's just getting play to play. And he developed some really bad habits. I did not see those habits first year at usc. I did not see those habits at the start of last year. I saw the last six games at USC during and after the Notre Dame game. And I saw them all last year. So a lot of the criticism is ask yourself if you ever had a bad job, verbally abused, bad situation in life or at work and you're just trying to make sure you get to your next paycheck. Is there a lot of growth? Not really. And so to me, the first thing Ben Johnson does smartly, what does he do? He fixes the O line. Because he can see on film that Caleb didn't trust his USC O line or a Chicago O line or a staff. So Ben Johnson's all about trust and erasing some really bad habits that I didn't see in the first like 20 games at USC. And here's Ben Johnson on what he's saying. Sometimes you get wrapped up when you're in the multiple play call game, being in a perfect play all the time for the perfect coverage that look at the defense and really with him, it's, it doesn't matter so much what the play call is. If it's, if it's the perfect play versus the first, then it's great, it's there. And if it's not, then he's able to find a way to make it work. I think he's going to play on time when the receivers present themselves that way. And if they're not there, if number one or number two is not there, I think he's got the ability to, to make it right for us. All right, I want to talk about the Lakers here. Magic, John. You know people, JMac, you've probably taken some liberties and made fun of Magic Johnson's Twitter account. It's, it's not the most creative, but whatever. But he did say something about Luca Donage yesterday on Twitter. He said, luca, it's great what you did in Dallas, but there's a difference in Los Angeles and we expect our superstars to lead us to championships. LeBron already did that. Luca, that's what you have to do. And, and he's right. And if you look at, to me, the. I would say don't take Luke off this before Luca. The eight greatest Lakers of all time. You and I can go back on this. They all have kind of one thing in common. They played real defense. Kareem Abdul Jabbar made five. All NBA teams with the Lakers did Magic Johnson. Well, first of all, they all had championships. Kareem had five, Magic five, Kobe five, Shaq three, Gasol two, Jerry West, Wilt, LeBron one. Those are the eight greatest Lakers to me. The other thing is they almost all. Now Magic was not a great defensive player, but Jerry west was, Kobe was. Kareem was. LeBron was. And Shaq I think made all NBA defense three times. So the eight greatest Lakers pre Luca all have titles most multiple and they almost all play defense. And that's the rub here with Luca, is that because he is such. I've always said he's a much better version of Carmelo Anthony. He'll never be in great shape and never be a great defender. And people go, ah, it's ridiculous. He is so gifted offensively though, that the media, they give him a pass on this. They see him doing a leg lift. Look, look, look at that workout regimen. He's a pro athlete. They all do that. And I think with Luca, he's never going to be a finely tuned and sculpted Adonis. He'll never be D. Wade. He'll never be LeBron James. It's not who he is. And he'll also never be Kobe Bryant as a defensive player. He's a combination of Steph Curry and Carmelo. Not his style, but the fact that he's never going to be like Carmelo. He's gifted offensively. He's never going to be finely tuned. He's never going to be a great defensive player. It's not his mindset because offense comes so easy. But what the warriors did to get titles with Steph is they acknowledged what he wasn't, not just the obvious stuff of what he was. The warriors were totally honest about Steph, so they went and got Andre Iguodala, Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, elite defenders. Even Kevin Durant's a willing defender. Can the Lakers be honest and acknowledge he's never going to be a great defensive player? He's never going to be Kobe, he's never going to be LeBron, he's never going to be Jerry West's defender. Nope. Never going to be. He's never going to be D. Wade as a defender. Not ever. Just acknowledge it and build around it. That's the question for the Lakers, because I think what happens is you don't really see. Because when. When a player's on your team, you watch them every night and Laker fans are like, man, we stole him. But there's a reason. There's a reason Dallas moved him now. They didn't get enough of a haul in return, but they were. They were noticing that he wasn't in great shape. And players that aren't in great shape, like Anthony Davis early in his career, what happens to them? They get hurt a lot. You ever notice LeBron and Brady never got hurt because they're finely tuned. And so as Luca's injuries increase, Miss Back to back Camps wasn't even healthy when they made the trade. They were worried that like he was going to age really, really fast. And you and I know this. You know, Big Ben didn't take care of himself like Brady. He aged much faster. Aaron Rodgers not obsessed as Brady has aged much faster. Carmelo Anthony doesn't take care of himself like LeBron aged much faster. So Dallas was saying he's starting to get hurt and miss camp a lot now. Do I think he'll get in better shape? Yes. There's a microscope on him and the Lakers. It's a bigger city and a bigger brand. And do I think he'll be a better defensive player? Yes. But what the warriors did, they acknowledged, okay. And the Knicks never did this with Carmelo. The warriors acknowledged, we're going to have to surround this guy and protect the rim. We're going to have to put great defensive players around him because not all players, you know, not all players give you both ends. Most great players do. And almost all the Lakers greats have not only won championships, they've been elite defenders. Shaq, Kobe, West, Kareem was unbelievable. Almost all. I think Gasol was a pretty good defender. He was super long. So just something to think about. It's. I thought the tweet by Magic Johnson, often criticized, was accurate. It is different to be a Laker. It is. If you're a quarterback, you'll be judged differently with Andy Reid. Why? Because we know Andy's great. So if you stink, nobody wants to hear about clock management of the coach that you've got to be better with Andy Reid. So, J. Mac, just. Just thoughts. I mean, the Laker fans are making big deals out of workout video for Luka. Workout video.

Unknown (50:05)

Massively overblown. But sometimes you do this thing, you put me in a position where I'm going to say stuff that people are going to hate even though it's reality. So you know the saying, no man is an island. Nobody can do it themselves. Okay. Kobe won with Shaq Said, get him out of here. Tried to do it himself. And they couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs. Then he gets Gassol and wins. Kevin Durant is an awesome player. Awesome player. He's not a leader. He needed to play with leaders in Golden State to win titles. So, yeah, Luka needs rim protectors. He needs defenders.

Jason McIntyre (50:36)

Yes.

Unknown (50:36)

Got him. Lively and Gafford, they were awesome. They go to the finals. Nobody does it themselves. Patrick Mahomes wins with Andy Reid. Andy Reid retires tomorrow. Let's see if Mahomes wins another Super Bowl. Right? It's tough. Like you can't do it by yourself. And I just don't like the Luca bashing. You know, that's my guy bashing.

Jason McIntyre (50:56)

I think it's just contextualization is how I see it.

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