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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Now let's get this party.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, it is a Monday and a busy one. Live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. One hour from now. Colin right? Colin wrong. Plenty of both. Matt Hasselbeck will stop by, as is customary on this show. J. Mac I am so glad that we got the Bills and the Rams followed by. I mean, talk about two great quarterback performances followed by two other great quarterbacks can Kansas City and the Chargers. Because it let America see who's wasting talent and who's not.
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Jason McIntyre
That's a spicy tip.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So let's talk about that. Josh Allen had the greatest day ever for a quarterback. Three passing touchdowns, three rushing touchdowns. It hadn't been done in a long time and the Bills lost. Of course they did because they've been wasting Josh Allen's talent forever. I mean, the rams had almost 30 first downs. We're 11 of 15 on third. Almost perfect in the red zone. 38 minutes time of possession. They dominated that. The Bills had a punt blocked. Stafford did whatever he wanted. You ever consider rolling coverage over on Puka? It can't look that easy if you're Matt Stafford. Was that the Bills scout team? Listen, Josh Allen is the greatest quarterback talent I've ever seen. He's better than Elway, he's better than Mahomes as a talent. Andrew lucky couldn't do that. Six. Six. Huge arm. 255 and produced 400 plus yards. Again, he's done it 11 times and you know what his record is in those games 5 and 6? This franchise continues to let him down. Mahomes has the better coach and the trophies and is the second most talented quarterback in this league. But if you give Patrick Mahomes or he gives you six touchdowns, Kansas City wins. There are games. He can give you one touchdown on a pick and Kansas City wins. Josh Allen, I mean, how many times are we going to see this? He literally is jaw dropping. There's nothing you can do. He doesn't scramble for nine yards, he'll scramble for 39. He doesn't throw at 40 yards on a line. He throws at 58 yards on a line. He's a jaw dropping once in a lifetime talent. He had four touchdowns and no picks once against this Kansas City Chiefs Team which I'll show in a minute and lost. Of course he did. Now I'm looking at his numbers. It is just a total waste of his talent and you can blame whoever you want. I like the owner, GM Sharp. Sean McDermott's good, but I've compared him to Chuck Knox. Legendary bounce around coach that won everywhere but couldn't get the trophy. Josh Allen is four and five. That is it. In games in which he produces 400 plus yards. You know what Mahomes record is in those games? 14 and 2. Ball game. Ball game. They are wasting his talent. Yes. Don't get me wrong. Matt Stafford, we've been saying this for years. He is and was an all time passing talent. He's what Aaron Rodgers wishes he was. The last three years. He was better in high school and college than Aaron. He's better now than Aaron. He was better for the first three to four years in the league than Aaron. But he ended up in Detroit. McVay's like, get me that guy. They did. He's magical when he's upright. If they can protect him, he's one of the only guys in the league that can go toe to toe with Josh Allen. Wow. To wow. To wow. To wow. 76% completion percentage, 132 pass rating. But it can't look that easy. I mean the Rams were making Josh Allen throw in tiny windows, making him run around. That Rams defense is young, talented, fast, athletic. They were making Josh Allen work for it. Matt Stafford, it was like a summer drill. It was seven on seven football. So the kid is absolutely jaw dropping and I feel terrible for him because they've got to do something when he puts the cape on. Mahomes is 14 and 2 and he is 4 and 5. And again, it's not like the Rams defense doesn't have talent. Their last couple, two, three drafts they've spent it on defensive guys up front and you can see them. But Allen's ability to cut through it is remarkable. And yet he loses again and this time to an inferior team. Here is Sean McVay, the winning coach after Josh Allen is a, is an alien. Some of the stuff that he can do and the things that he can create, we knew he was capable of that. He's shown that. It's why he is, you know, as well respected and regarded in this league as he is. It's all deserved and earned, but our guys found a way to just make enough plays to be able to come out on top. Now I'd like to talk about a team that doesn't waste their quarterbacks talent. The Kansas City Chiefs, who just won their ninth straight AFC west title. Now they were facing Justin Herbert, who was so hot in the second half, he went forever until he had an incompletion. The pass rush for the Chargers was giving Mahomes fits. Jim Harbaugh made tweaks at halftime. Quinton Johnson, the receiver redeemed himself. I mean, the Chargers put up a fight. I've said this all year. The Chargers feel like a little bit of a poor man's Chiefs coach quarterback pass rush. Just enough weapons and they were missing their best back and probably their best receiver. And yet did anybody doubt Reid Mahomes? Travis Kelsey would figure out a way to win it in the fourth quarter. If you keep delivering on earnings day as a CEO, it's not luck, it's a business model. You don't do anything 10, 15 times, they're 10 and oh in one score games. 15 straight wins in one score games. That is beyond luck. That is efficiency luck. Luck is like a bad team doing it two times in a row. Luck isn't a dynasty doing it 15 times in a row. Some people are smarter, they're more clutch. Kansas City, even the doinks work in their favor. But when they called that play on the sidelines and Reed, Nagy and Mahomes go over and they're talking, they've done this now 15 straight times. Losers call winners lucky. I'm sure Caroline and the Bears are like, what a lucky team. Winners get how hard it is. Mahomes, look at Kelsey sitting down. That is a designed play. They manipulated and toyed with a defense who's very good. And once again, Kansas City, they've rebuilt the O line, they've rebuilt the defense, they've two times rebuilt the receiving core for Mahomes. And they ask Mahomes a couple of times a game to jump into the phone booth and put on the Superman cape. A couple times a game, the Bills asked Josh Allen to put on the cape right before the anthem starts. He has to come dressed as Superman because they'll have a punt blocked or Matt Stafford will have a 7 on 7 drill against them. And this is what I love. I'll say this about New England in Brady's prime. They didn't always have the best roster. But I said this two months ago. Kansas City has become a more clever offensive version of what New England was. Was it lucky when New England for 20 years kept winning all those close games? No, it's a business model. They're just smarter I've had multiple players and executives, they would practice things in New England all summer long, all summer long. Call it once in November, they were just more prepared. And when Mahomes and Reid and Nagy are on that sideline, it's like, yeah, it's a third down, it's over. They're going to get it. And again they ask Mahomes occasionally to put on the cape. Josh Allen has to wear it to the game. Four and five is Josh Allen in games in which he's Superman. Mahomes is 14 and 2. And I love. They were juxtaposed. I love that you got Josh Allen against the great quarterback playing out of his mind and losing. And Mahomes playing against the great quarterback with a team that's kind of ham and egging it at left tackle. They brought a guy in, he got hurt. And yet winning efficiency, smart. When doing anything multiple times over and over and over and over. It's not luck. Luck is a scratch off ticket. Luck is a losing company having a good earnings quarter. Yeah, Nvidia doing another big day for Nvidia stock is not luck. They're ahead of the industry and that's what Kansas City is and what New England was. And here's my homes after. As long as we have a chance to go out there and have the football and make a play happen, I feel like we're going to make it happen.
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Jason McIntyre
To be able to win this division.
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Colin Cowherd
To gain another game in the playoff pitcher. It was an important game for us. It's a really good football team. We found a way to get a win, but now we got to keep building if we want to get to our ultimate goal. I actually thought that was one of the three or four best losses of the year for the Chargers. They didn't have their best receiver, they didn't have their best back. And Herbert, they made adjustments at halftime. Herbert had I think 10 straight completions. They had opportunities to win the game. They made a couple of key defensive plays. But it's just, it's. It's very difficult when you're facing the best quarterback along with Josh Allen, Mahomes the best coach, the best tight end. And a team that situationally, I mean, I don't know how you guys watch these games. I always feel like, yeah, they'll figure it out. That confidence, they, even the Chiefs, even, you know, their confidence doinks in the winter, it's just who they are. It defines them. 100 years from now you will talk about the Kansas City Chiefs and you'll look at the records. And you're like, you're like, man, they won a lot of close games. Yes, because that's what happens when you eventually have to pay your quarterback $450 million that you aren't very good at, offensive tackle, that you have to make midseason moves, that you really don't have, a number one receiver, that your tight end is getting old. He's good in spots, but not for the duration of the season. That's what happens. But Kansas City always figures a way to make it work, and Buffalo never does. And I don't think that's just some zany coincidence. All right, 50 minutes from now, Colin right? Colin Wrong. Matt Hasselbeck stops by as well, and I gotta tell you, it's a great problem to have. But there is an NFL team that has themselves a dilemma. They didn't think it was gonna be. They didn't think it would turn out as well as it has. It's better than anybody in the league thought it would be. And now they're kind of stuck, if that's the right word. A remarkable story happening in the NFL that's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Did you know the PayPal debit card now earns you 5% cash back in the monthly category of your choosing. Groceries, health, restaurants, beauty, gas and apparel in up to $1,000 of monthly purchases. On top of that, you can get cash back offers within the app from brands like Doordash, Sephora and Instacart. It's like having a little extra in your pocket every month. I'm using PayPal debit card to earn 5% cash back on apparel. With my travel schedule, I'm on the go. Sometimes I have to buy clothes online. It's the new normal. Just sign up for the PayPal debit card through the new app and you're ready to go. Download the new PayPal app. Sign up Start earning 5% cash back today. Don't just pay PayPal terms and limits apply. See paypal.com rewardspal Cashback earned as points redeemable for cash and other options on up to $1,000 spend per month. The PayPal Debit MasterCard is issued by the Bancorp Bank N.A. pursuant to license by MasterCard International, Inc. And may be used everywhere MasterCard is accepted. What makes the holiday special are the details from Genesis and every little detail in a Genesis is another gift to you. Like during winter, you'll be thankful for the available heated steering wheel and the available snow mode to help get you through the snowiest of snow days. And the available all wheel drive is helpful all year round, but especially during the winter. I mean, Genesis has put a lot of thought into the details. And of course the best gifts are thoughtful ones like the available Nappa leather seating. Oh, speaking of gifts, you'll have plenty of room to haul around everything you've picked up for family and friends, no matter which Genesis you're driving. And with a lineup featuring SUVs, EVs, Sedans, something for everybody. Experience the Genesis Signature event. And as one big final gift, Genesis is offering you a $1,000 bonus on select Genesis vehicles. The deal ends January 2nd. See participating Genesis retailers for details. Visit genesis.com to see how Genesis can make your holidays even brighter. Details make the Holidays hey, this is.
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LeVar Arrington
Levar Arrington here from up on Game and listen, I want to talk to you about something very serious for a minute, all right? Something personal to me and right now something that should be personal to you as well. In our country, the hate is at an all time high and it's like we're going backward. The hate is winning. We can't allow that, all right? It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate. And it's enough. It's time for it to stop. We need to stop, regroup, change the momentum as a team. Because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team. So let's act like it. And when a team can't get it together, what do you do? You call a timeout. And that's what we need to do. Call a time out against hate. Let's think about what we say and do. And when we see hate, when we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong and hateful, we need to call it out. I'mma call it out. You need to do the same thing. Visit standuptolhate.org to help and join me in calling for a timeout against hate by following at what's up with Hate or posting the blue square emoji.
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Colin Cowherd
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Save up to 60% on select JLab products this holiday season on JLab.com find your perfect pair of headphones. Look for the JLab Blue Box at retailers everywhere or visit JLab.com to upgrade your sound and style today. So Minnesota had Kirk Cousins forever at a quarterback. He didn't have a lot of juice, right? He didn't have a lot of athleticism. A gentleman's gentleman. And he could get you to the playoffs and then draft J.J. mcCarthy, who lights it up in preseason but gets hurt. So they brought over Sam Darnold from the Niners, and you'll find Kyle Shanahan loves Darnold. Kevin O'Connell loves Darnold McVay. A lot of the smart coaches really liked him even though he struggled. Carolina bad coaching. Jets bad coaching. So I get why they drafted J.J. mcCarthy. But he needed a second surgery on his meniscus on his knee swelling a second one, Darnold's already bigger than him and has a better arm than him and is just as athletic or more than him. And I said this coming out of the draft, Darnold's comp, there's a little bit of an Andrew luck is that he can be a tad reckless, but aggressive, coachable, tough, physical playmaker, big arm. And Sam Darnold right now, five touchdowns, no picks. He's entered the MVP conversation. Here's the thing. What are you going to do with him? He's a free agent. Are you going to let him walk? And you have J.J. mcCarthy and Daniel Jones take out Josh Allen. Arguably the best football player in the entire sport yesterday was Sam Darnold. You got let him walk out of the building. I think you have to consider franchise tagging him. It's like 41 million bucks for a year. That's more than they want to pay. But on the market, isn't Sam Darnold going to get close to that anyway? I mean, I think they were hoping JJ McCarthy after Sam Darnold started the year, could maybe take over at Thanksgiving or next year. But what do you do with this? Are you going to let a potential top five MVP guy walk out of the building? I wouldn't. The receivers love him. They didn't love Kirk Cousins. I mean, in the two teams that beat Minnesota, Detroit and the rams, he was great. 77% completion percentage and 117 passer rating. He's had a couple of stinkers this year, but they won both of them. I mean his third down efficiency yesterday, 8 for 12, 8 yards of play, 23 first downs. What do you be very careful about letting great employees walk out the door, especially off a great year? I mean, Darnold, he getting better. I mean the Jacksonville game, they were bad in the red zone, but they won. Yeah, he lost the Rams and the Lions, but he was outstanding, completing almost 80% of his throws. It shows a lot of things. I mean, here's the other thing. It hasn't been perfect. They lost their great left tackle. No biggie. He's won six straight. So it's not been a perfect road. Jordan Addison's been hurt. TJ Hawkins has been missing. They lost their left tackle, Aaron Jones run game and not a ton of pop and they just keep winning. So I think you have to consider it. This was always a good team and a good franchise. But there is no question Darnold has added juice and energy and playmaking and athleticism. And I mean, the crowd started chanting mvp and I think you have to put him in that top five category. And here was Darnold on those chants. I just felt the buzz in the, you know, and that was pure, you know, pure passion, you know, pure joy. That was a lot of emotion for me. I was just excited, man. Just, I feel like I couldn't just sit there, you know, and just kind of, you know, stoic and, you know, just straight faced. I feel like I had to show a little bit of emotion for the fans and, you know, gave them what they wanted. So that was a special moment for me. Darnold in the fourth quarter, close game, three big scoring drives. He had three touchdowns in the second half. He only had two incompletions. And here was the big Justin Jefferson touchdown scrambling to his right. I mean, that's. That really is. That's what he does. That's Sam Darnold. The playmaker breaks down running right deep downfield. That, that element did not exist with Kirk Cousins. And they were making the playoffs with Kirk Cousins. They were beating Aaron Rodgers 50% of the time with Kirk Cousins. Good stuff. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no.
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LeVar Arrington
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, let's start the day with Kyle Shanahan, who was the subject of a lot of rumors this past week about his future with the Niners. They were speculated upon by, I don't know, somebody on this show, not named me. An NFL writer suggested the Bears should look to trade for him. San Francisco snapped their three game losing streak yesterday by destroying the Bears and I mean pummeling them in an embarrassing fashion. And then afterwards, Shanahan talked about his future in San Francisco.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't want to be any place in the world more than here, and.
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Jason McIntyre
My family feels just as strong, if.
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Colin Cowherd
Not a lot stronger. So, you know, I hope he's gonna have to kick me out of here. So there's no way I'm making that decision. Just saying, go for it.
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Jason McIntyre
Go ahead. Come on and take that, Mulligan.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, I will say this. When you're a franchise that's in disarray. The Chargers had good roster, but the coaching situation was a mess. You had to hire a culture guy. Detroit was a mess. They hired a culture guy. San Francisco was never a mess. Even when they had the wrong coach. It's smartly owned, well run mostly. So he's a scheme guy. I don't even know if he would be a perfect fit in Chicago. I think Jim Harbaugh is what they need. Chicago's such a Mess. The jets are such a mess. That's why I think Mike Vrabel, either Jets or the Bears, works because he's beyond a scheme guy. He fixes the culture. There's a physicality to it.
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Jason McIntyre
Doesn't Shanahan work anywhere, Colin?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I think he would work anywhere. But I'm saying his take is, why would I leave a well owned and run operation? But I get Chicago getting on the phone. You can't just go get Ben Johnson. You've done that. Matt Nagy made the playoffs twice, but he's not a culture changer. Chicago's in a different. The jets in Chicago. It's beyond just getting a guy that can scheme up plays.
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Jason McIntyre
I. I've softened my stance. I'm looking at my notes for the numbers yesterday. So during games, you know, we take notes.
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Colin Cowherd
I have.
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Jason McIntyre
At halftime, it was 315 yards to.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
For the Niners against the Bears, 4 yards in the first. I, like, didn't believe that. I was like that. That can't be. So you fire your coach. You've got all this talent. Everybody's supposedly happy Eberfluous was gone and you don't show up at all. I mean, Colin, this is the second straight game. Remember that Detroit game on Thanksgiving? They didn't show up in the first half. Detroit was dog walking, wasn't it?
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Colin Cowherd
21.
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Jason McIntyre
Nothing. Just embarrassing stuff. I. I'm kind of. I don't know what to do with the Bears. I thought this was a good job and they had a lot of talent. They're starting to question that a little.
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Colin Cowherd
They've asked Thomas Brown to go from like, you know, quarterback coach to play caller to head coach, you know, in three weeks. He's had three different parking spots at the facility in three weeks. So they're asking him to do way too much. I feel bad for that. It's not his issue. It's Kevin Warren, the president. McCaskey's the owner. People, the people I talk to in the league have always questioned the very top of the Bears. I always said, Matt Nagy got Mitch Trubisky to the playoffs twice at a time that Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford were in their prime in the. He got Mitch Trubisky twice to the playoffs and they ran him out of town. You could say what you want about Matt Nagy. They were always offensively creative with a backup quarterback in a division that had three excellent quarterbacks, hall of Fame level guys. So it's even when they kind of feel like they sort of get it Right. Dave Wanstadt had success there. They run people off.
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Jason McIntyre
Did you think Purdy was extra motivated to go up against Caleb Williams and show who the best quarterback in that game was? Because it was not close. It wasn't.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's. Wait, wait, wait.
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Jason McIntyre
Go ahead. What are you gonna say?
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Colin Cowherd
There's to contextualize when the Bears face the Niners.
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Jason McIntyre
Did Trent Williams play? No, I. I don't think he did. Did Brandon?
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Colin Cowherd
I.
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Jason McIntyre
You play nine. I don't. Christian McCaffrey, the backup running back, the third string guy, got hurt. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Let's not make excuses. Brock Purdy was so much better than Caleb. It was not even close.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah, yeah, he was in that game.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, I'm glad you're just conceding that point. Let's. Let's move on to. Oh, boy. I don't know. I. New York Giants. I mean, what is going on?
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Colin Cowherd
Brutal.
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Jason McIntyre
This is a. This is a banner flying over the game. Mr. Mara, enough. Please fix this dumpster fire. Here's what Brian Dabel had to say about this banner after the game.
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Colin Cowherd
Look, we're, you know, we won two games, so.
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Jason McIntyre
Not happy either.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm disappointed. We have two wins, Pat. So we're just going to keep on grinding it out and try to keep developing these young players and, you know, get ready to play a great team next week. Yeah, I'd still keep him, but I think he's in trouble. I think the organization has the right coach. The right. Left tackle, the right edger rusher, the right defensive tackle. They got to get quarterback. Right. Right tackle. Right. Another running back. They need some offensive fixes.
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Jason McIntyre
Conspiracy theory. You want one?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
D went to the owner and said, I will do a tank. Nobody will know we're tanking. Just me and you do this. A lot of guys who are iffy are just not going to play. They're. They're down to like practice squad guys on the offensive line.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And we will tank. We will get the number one pick. I will get you a quarterback and I will turn this around. Do you think the owner will buy that?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, if I was the owner privately, I wouldn't want the word tank used, but I would think if my coach came to me and said, if you can assure me one more year, I'm going to play some guys who deserve to be on film and maybe I don't want to get some of our better players hurt. Yeah. I mean, right now there's a very large bottom of the NFL.
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Jason McIntyre
Eight really bad teams. You can talk the Bears in There.
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Colin Cowherd
Nine really bad teams and the Bengals defense is maybe the worst of all of them.
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Jason McIntyre
Now, interestingly, the Raiders lost their quarterback yesterday, so now it's going to be Desmond Ritter against Drew Locke in a race to the bottom. Both these teams circling the drain. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the Raiders or Giants? Who? Raiders are feisty. They're in every game. Shadow Sanders will go number one. If you want a quarterback, it's going to be. Jalen Milroe won't go too. It'll be Cam Ward or I think Sam Darnold. Well, I mean, who else?
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Jason McIntyre
So I gotta do my mock for Fox Sports. I reached out to a lot of people this weekend. I think you're on. I don't think Cam Ward's gonna go too. I like him a lot, but it doesn't sound like it's consensus. Oh, this guy's definitely going, but Shadour's consensus. Yeah, everybody says that. I don't. Sam Darnold back to New York. Really?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm just telling you, Sam's gonna have a market.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, how about. How about this? Can I give you a name? He faced the Giants yesterday. Derek Carr. He got hurt. Probably sounds like he's done for the season.
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Colin Cowherd
Is any fan base fired up for that?
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Jason McIntyre
Are they fired up for Sam Darnold again? We've seen that.
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Colin Cowherd
Sam Darnold.
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Jason McIntyre
Sam Darnold Indoors with Kevin O'Connell, first.
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Colin Cowherd
Round, top five pick, USC.
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Jason McIntyre
I like. I would not wish the Giants on Sam Darnold. By the way, they've missed the playoffs 11 of the last 13 years. The Giants are a terrible franchise right now. They're rotten. Colin. 0 and 7 at home this year, averaging 10 points a game.
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Colin Cowherd
And I know, I'm watching it.
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Jason McIntyre
It's unwatchable. And the kicker misses like a chip shot at the end. They. According to our guys here, the giants have a 40% chance at the number one pick. That's pretty damn good to get Shadour Sanders.
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Colin Cowherd
I'll tell you. Shadur in Vegas and maybe Deion feels really, really cool.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, Zach the producer is a big Raiders guy. He wants Shador badly. Shador apparently has some connection to the Raiders.
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Colin Cowherd
He's.
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Jason McIntyre
Remember that Instagram story he did last week that we said he put Legendary. Apparently he's been doing that every week. I didn't. I don't follow him. So I don't know. But what if he says, I don't want to go to the Giants, I want to go to the Raiders where this legendary quarterback is part of an owner.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I Think Shedur. I think the Raiders and the Giants both have pieces. I'd rather go to the offensive coach, but they both have pieces.
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Jason McIntyre
I'd rather go to Vegas. Final story Colin Pittsburgh Steelers got to 10 wins yesterday. They are now six. One with Russell Wilson under center. He did a pregame interview with Bill Cower and Russ talked about how he believes Pittsburgh has all the pieces in place to win the super bowl this season, saying, we got the right mentality, the right leadership, the right coach. There's nobody better. We're all seeking number seven.
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Colin Cowherd
He missed George Pickens, though, yesterday.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he did not look sharp.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, this offense is a little like Philadelphia and A.J. brown. It is not the same without a star receiver. By the way, Jalen, okay from the pocket, good athlete, but needs A.J. brown. Russell Wilson, good athlete. Okay from the pocket. These are, you know, Russell Wilson is not Matt Stafford in the pocket or Joe Burrow. That's not what he is. He and Jalen hurts movement and a good team around them is part of it. And AJ Brown not getting the ball in Philly, it's not the same offense. And George Pickens had a hamstring that popped Thursday or Friday. Like, I didn't. I mean, that offense was. They gave Cleveland multiple opportunities and the Browns missed kick after kick.
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Jason McIntyre
It felt like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh both took their foot off the gas. Looking ahead to next week. Hey, we got her. You're not feeling great, Sit out. Pickens, like, power down. We need you next week. Pittsburgh, Philly this week. Huge game. Quick word on Jameis Winston. I know the Internet loves this guy. They think he's so amazing. His speeches are hilarious. Oh, he's a national treasure. Colin. Jameis Winston is a quarterback. Look, it's not. It's just not a thing. He's not a good football player.
- [33:21]
Colin Cowherd
No, he makes.
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Jason McIntyre
He's not.
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Colin Cowherd
You get way too much reckless. I mean, he's got a nice arm, but he is. He is like Carson Wentz times six in the reckless department. Like, he's just pick sixes and interceptions.
- [33:36]
Jason McIntyre
Terrible decision.
- [33:36]
Colin Cowherd
You have to bake in. He's a bad decision maker.
- [33:40]
Jason McIntyre
I know. People love him and the Internet thinks he's so cool and they're rooting for him because of these silly speeches, but, gosh, he's a bad quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herdline news tweaking stuff. Baseball's done a really good job of this, where they implement a pitch clock, the game is faster, they eliminate the defensive Shift like baseball has done itself very well the last several years. It's helped ratings and attendance. It's tweaking. I don't want to overreact to the college football bracket, okay, because it just the year one of this. But what a bizarro mess this bracket was. Why did Oregon get punished for the best regular season and the best conference championship performance? They open up with the winner of Ohio State. Tennessee then would face Texas, then potentially Georgia. That's the hardest route. Easily. They should be rewarded. Why does Penn State, which lost to Oregon and Ohio State, have a much easier route? I don't understand it. I mean, it's. I think. Honestly, I think the committee was so paralyzed and concerned what to do with a cruddy loser of the Clemson SMU game. They're sitting there thinking, oh, Alabama, let's not reward the secular. What are we going to do with smu? How about nobody cares? Let's start with that. How about take care of Oregon? How about flip Ohio State and Penn State? How can you give Oregon that route and Penn State an easier route? Penn State gets to play SMU at home and then Boise State. I mean, so what you're basically saying is that the winner of the Mountain West. And for the record, I live out west and I'm not sure what mountain they're talking about, but the winner of the Mountain west is. Is Trump's number two in the sec. Give me a break. You gotta do what the NFL does and you have to reseed it. And again, it's year one. I don't want to go crazy, but stop pandering to the acc. They're lucky they get a team in. And I understood it like smu. Everybody's on TV living in the moment. Oh, it's an unbelievable game with Clemson. And I. I get why they went in, but the ACC getting two teams in and the SEC only getting three in. And again, I think there's an argument for Bama that actually beat better teams and has better wins. But you can't. Hey, Bama, you lost a Vandy in Oklahoma, so deal with it. But the committee giving Oregon that route is outrageous. It's just. Here was Sark on the seeding issues from the committee.
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Jason McIntyre
I just look to the NCAA basketball tournament.
- [36:33]
Colin Cowherd
You know, if you win your conference.
- [36:35]
Jason McIntyre
Tournament, you get an automatic bid into the tournament. But then there's seedings, right? There's. There's one seed, there's two seeds, so.
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Colin Cowherd
On and so forth and. And nowhere in there does it say if you win your conference Championship, you get an automatic one seed. But the reality of it is if we went just off of ranking, we would be the third seed in this tournament as opposed to the fifth seed. And I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I'm saying if we go by that model, yes, there's automatic bids into the tournament, but that doesn't necessarily give you a. Let's call it a one seed where you get that buy in the first round. So basically, Oregon may have to face as the team with the best regular season and the best conference championship performance in the second best conference. They may have to face the winner of the Buckeyes. Tennessee they will face. And I think those two teams could both win the Natty Texas and then Georgia and Penn State gets the yellow brick road. What is going on? And I really do, I think the committee was just so concerned, pandering to that wildly emotional SMU Clemson game. It's like those teams can't win an addie. Oregon can, Ohio State can, Tennessee can, Texas can. Maybe Penn State can. Maybe. But Penn State played Ohio State at home and lost and played Oregon and soundly lost. How did they get an easier route? Makes no sense to me at all. Again, reseed it. That's what the NFL does. That's the way you should do it. I don't want to go crazy. It's year one, but I just. Penn State, what a route. I mean, if you'd asked Penn State which spot do you want to be in? They're like, can we play SMU first, then Boise State? That's the route they would have chosen. Oregon needs to get that route.
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Jason McIntyre
Who do you think should have gotten the six then?
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Colin Cowherd
I don't care. It can't be Penn State. You can't play two good teams, lose to both. Yeah, you gotta win one of them.
- [38:30]
Jason McIntyre
I think was it Clatt who sat here a couple weeks ago and said the receipt and I was like, no way. And based on this, yeah, you're right. Oregon got shafted.
- [38:38]
Colin Cowherd
How about Notre Dame? Notre Dame had one really bad Saturday. How about Tennessee?
- [38:43]
Jason McIntyre
Well, I don't know. Notre Dame is going to be live against Georgia. I think that is an interesting matchup because this Georgia quarterback situation, like I know the kid came in and in limited.
- [38:52]
Colin Cowherd
Listen, Georgia lost their quarterback to Texas and still won. Let's be honest. And they won in overtime. So that backup, when you can win against Texas with a backup quarterback, it wasn't like he got hurt on the last series. They needed him in the second half and they won Georgia.
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Jason McIntyre
I know they have the Name Brand and SEC. Colin, I got some numbers here. Last 12 games they're three and nine against the spread. The market has amazing well and they're not covering it.
- [39:16]
Colin Cowherd
I don't know what those covers are.
- [39:16]
Jason McIntyre
Against Texas.
- [39:17]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they beat Texas twice. I don't care about the sports games. Okay well that's okay. The new and yeah but they keep winning. Those go either way games. It's like the Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs run a lot of close games and they win all of them.
- [39:30]
Jason McIntyre
Maybe another doink will go their way.
- [39:32]
Colin Cowherd
Or Georgia is alive bet to win it all. I would not be surprised.
- [39:39]
Jason McIntyre
I would not be shocked if they lost to Notre Dame either.
- [39:42]
Colin Cowherd
I kind of would be a little bit. I would be. It's Georgia.
- [39:45]
Jason McIntyre
What do you make of the the warm weather teams like going to cold weather? Penn State.
- [39:51]
Colin Cowherd
It's not good. Tennessee, I think.
- [39:53]
Jason McIntyre
I know you like Tennessee, but I.
- [39:54]
Colin Cowherd
Think Tennessee they're a touchdown dog. I think Tennessee can beat Ohio State. Weather like in Columbus 42 degrees and wet next week. In the next couple of weeks that's what it's going to be.
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Jason McIntyre
That bad? I thought it would be in the 20s.
- [40:06]
Colin Cowherd
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Levar Arrington here from up on Game and listen, I want to talk to you about something very serious for a minute, all right? Something personal to me and right now, something that should be personal to you as well. In our country, the hate is at an all time high and it's like we're going backward. The hate is winning. We can't allow that, all right? It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate. And it's enough. It's time for it to stop. We need to stop, regroup, change the momentum as a team. Because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team. So let's act like it. And when a team can't get it together, what do you do? You call a timeout. And that's what we need to do. Call a time out against hate. Let's think about what we say and do. And when we see hate, when we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong and hateful, we need to call it out. Out. I'mma call it out. You need to do the same thing. Visit standuptolhate.org to help and join me. And calling for a timeout against hate by following at what's up with Hate or posting the blue square emoji.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
So there was a massive deal yesterday. Juan Soto went from the Yankees, where he stayed briefly, to the New York Mets and their billionaire owner STEVE it was 15 years and $765 million. And you know what? It's actually great for baseball. It keeps the top seven to eight players in New York Louisiana. And Philly. What about the A's? Nobody in Oakland cared about the A's. What about the small market teams? Pittsburgh's got a billionaire owner. They won't spend the money. That's a you problem. Pittsburgh, Soto, Judge and Lindor in New York. Harper in Philly, Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts and Ohtani in Los Angeles. Every league except the NFL benefits with certain superstars playing in certain markets. The NBA right now has a huge problem. Their best players are in Denver and Milwaukee and Minnesota and Oklahoma City and San Antonio. And it's crushing ratings for the last three years. Fox Sports just had a massive up 73%, a massive postseason in baseball because you had the biggest stars in the right cities. It's not a network, and networks are paying 30% of the revenue. It's not a network's responsibility to make Oakland's owner more legitimate or for Tampa's billionaire owner to spend more money. These guys are just stuffing it in their pocket. Kansas City's owner, Pittsburgh's owners, Mariners owners. I grew up with the Mariners. There were times they had one of the richest owners. They didn't spend like it. And so New York can and does. Mets and Yankees, Dodgers can. I mean, if you go look at why the postseason was up 73%. It was stacked rosters. Stack roster in Philly with a superstar. Harper. Stacked rosters in New York, Los Angeles, the San Diego Padres, and now Francisco Lindor gets Juan Soto. Must watch. I mean, it's only four at bats. They're not going to solve any pitching issues. We'll see how their bullpen is. But sports socialism, like real socialism, doesn't really work. And people now are more distracted than ever. So you've got to give them big superstar players and big recognizable brands. You're not just competing against other sports. You're competing, vying for people's attention against Netflix and TikTok and YouTube. Sorry. This is why companies like Disney do the Avengers and they do Series and why Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible. Why does it work? We're all more distracted. And it's not. I mean, you can say all you want. All these owners are billionaires. If Pittsburgh doesn't want to spend the money, that is a Pirates issue. So New York will spend the money. Dodgers will, Padres will, Atlanta generally does. Houston's willing to. All right, I'm in. But I'm not going to pander to the organization and the billionaires who don't want to spend the money. So I think it's great for baseball. Are you kidding Me, if the Mets played the Dodgers, take out Bryce Harper, you could argue the five best players would be in that series in the nlcs. Soto, Lindor, Ohtani, Freeman and Betts. Only Bryce Harper wouldn't be in that nlcs. Yeah, I'll sign up for it now. Too many people in the media, and I've heard fans, they say this forever. When I grew up as a kid, the best teams, the Cincinnati Reds, the Dodgers, the Royals, the Pirates, the Phillies, they were all stacked. It wasn't even. I mean, there were like teams that had better GMs, better scouting departments, much better players. The Phillies for years, Pirates, Reds, Dodgers had better teams. San Francisco stunk forever. San Diego stunk forever. That's their problem. It's a network's responsibility to get numbers. And if you have four or five or six or seven stacked teams, there's your revenue. And by the way, you can, as a fan, watch the visiting team come into town for four days and beat your brains out. You'll still get to see Bryce Harper. So I thought it was a great day for baseball. I mean, he's better off going to Minnesota. And they can't afford anybody around him. We saw that with Joe Maurer. That wasn't good. Joey Votto in Cincinnati, they couldn't afford him. Okay, we'll pay Voto. We can't pay anybody else. No, thanks. I'll take the Mets, the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Braves, the Padres. To me, it's Phillies, just much more interesting. So yesterday, I mean, it was a really bad game. The Bears got hammered. But I want to say this in defense of Thomas Brown, who I do not know. They have asked him in three weeks to go from the passing game coordinator to the offensive coordinator to the head coach. His LinkedIn profile can't keep it straight. HR is going like, can you guys slow it down? We can't give him three raises and three new contracts in three weeks. What do you expect? The kid's over his head. So you can't ask anybody to have three different jobs in three different weeks in the NFL. And here's Caleb after the debacle, in fact, arguably the worst first half of offense by any team in the NFL in several years. We got our ass kicked today, and there's no way around it. You can. Like you said, they had. I think at one point, we were. They had two going to half. They had 240 something, I believe. And we had nine, four, four total yards. So that's. I mean, that's a. Regardless of how we feel, regardless of, you know, all of that. I mean, we got it handed to us. So Caleb Williams had concerns before he was drafted about Chicago. He didn't want them to go public. He's a good kid. He's really talented, but what he was concerned with was this. You might as well put a tent over the Bears. I mean, just look at what they've asked Thomas Brown to do in three weeks. Can you imagine that? Passing game coordinator, head coach. Yeah, I'm going to say that's going to be. By the way, your first assignment is Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, I'm going to say he's going to be over his skis. So this has always been the question with Chicago. This is the most predictable team in the league. We said Matty Berfluss was on the hot seat week one in a division with excellent coaching. Kevin O'Connell, Matt LaFleur, Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson. Excellent coaching. And now they're on Thomas Brown. So you just. They're asking the guy to do too much too quickly. And again, three parking spots in three weeks for the Bears. I mean, give me a break. This is exactly what a lot of us were concerned with. This is what they do to quarterbacks. Green Bay, they draft you, you sit behind a Hall of Famer. Then they give you a great offensive coach and you go on to win games. It's not a coincidence that Kansas City wins close games and the packers develop great quarterbacks. It's a business model. Not coincidental. Hour two, right? Wrong. Next. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. 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Jason McIntyre
This is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb. Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high. But it's going to take all of us to stop it. I mean we're all on the same.
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Colin Cowherd
Team in this country.
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Jason McIntyre
So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a time out against hate. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me in calling for timeout against hate by following hatsupwithhate or posting the blue square emoji.
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