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Colin Cowherd
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Daniel Jeremiah
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
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Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
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Greg Rosenthal
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down. All 257 picks have been made.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Charlemagne Tha God
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, it is a Tuesday. J. Mac back in the saddle. Live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Lakers at home trying to even things up in a little perilous trouble tonight, wherever you may be and however you may be following, watching, listening, thanks for taking us part of your Tuesday, J. Mac. It's great to have you back. Jordan Schultz. Thanks again for filling any crush. You're back from a land far, far away with a fam. Hope you had a great time, outstanding vacation, good to be away.
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Greg Rosenthal
Did I miss anything?
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Colin Cowherd
A little.
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Greg Rosenthal
It feels like not much happened in the NFL draft. They sent me the stories. I'm like, this is the same stuff we were talking about three weeks ago.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, in the draft, yes, but you know, sometimes you get caught up in the moment. You watch a game like I'm watching the Clippers, Nuggets last night. Those teams, it's a coin flip series. I mean, now those, who knows? I'm going to take Clippers in six or seven if the Nuggets won. But when you watch the Knicks and the Pistons, you thought coming into it, well, the Knicks gonna make pretty quick work of them. Detroit's young one young star. You know, they got a couple of rotational old guys. They're not quite ready. The only reason the Knicks are not down to nothing in this series is campaign. That's it. Who had a big fourth quarter in game one? 11 of his, what, 14 points. This was a bad night for Cat and it was a bad night for Tibbs. Cat, no field goal attempts in the fourth quarter. He didn't score in the third or the fourth quarter. And Tibbs, just like a defensive NFL head coach, no feel for offense. Clearly the Knicks, you watch that 21 nothing run in game one. Clearly the Knicks are better with pace and tempo when they're moving up the floor. But often they become very static and very stale offensively. And we all like Jalen Brunson, but between the 18 dribbles and nine pump fakes, the rest of the Knicks are standing around watching him. And it's young Detroit we perceive as less talented. Detroit that's playing with more tempo. It's sharing the ball. I mean, the Knicks gave up six first round picks to get Carl Anthony Towns and Mikhail Bridges, and they combined in the second half for six points. They're standing around watching. So there's no tempo to the Knicks. And we've said this about Mike Tomlin with Pittsburgh. At some point you can keep changing coordinators and quarterbacks and, and, and centers you don't have a feel for it. And the Knicks don't have a feel for offense. And we all like Jalen Brunson a lot. But this happened last year, why they lost to the Pacers. Jalen Brunson led in usage rate and a little guy ball in his hands, constantly dribbling, getting hit to the line, fouled. You just run out of gas. This is very much. And he's not as talented offensively as James Harden, but it's Luca a couple years ago, getting exhausted in the playoffs. It's Harden is always exhausted the later he goes to the playoffs. The late Kobe Bryant used to tell young players, you can't have the ball in your hands all the time. You know, you got, you got to let somebody else run the offense occasionally. Occasionally. So Brunson, this is not going to end well for this team. Hell, it may not end well now against Detroit, but you're not beating the Cavs roster, the Celtics roster, and let's be totally honest, the Pacers roster if Jalen Brunson is the offense and everybody's standing around. So I think this is problematic. The only reason they have been dominated in this game, this series, except for a 21 nothing run and campaign, was on fire in game one late in the game. Otherwise, and I'm telling you, this feels so Pittsburgh Steelers to me, where it's like, I like the roster, I like a lot of the players, but it's like the same thing year after year. They can't figure out the offense and it's so obvious you can't have the number one usage rate guy in the league. That guy is going to get worn out. This roster is already not as good as Cleveland and Boston. It's not as good as Oklahoma City, and I could argue it's not particularly close with all three. And they're probably eventually going to move cat, meaning they'll give up more of their good players and draft capital. So this just can't be a Jalen Brunson team. He's not that good. He's good, very good. He's not that he's not transformational. He's not carrying them the championship. And here's Jalen after. It's very tough when there's. There's definitely one ball. You know, we have a lot of great players on this team and definitely it's, it's on my shoulders and I'm not going to point fingers and say some people need to do that. And this, it's on me to make sure I set the table. So I'll go back and I'll figure out what I need to do. We'll have conversations and we'll come back better for game three. Okay, well, the good news is he's a smart kid. Villanova self awareness, looking in the mirror, not pointing fingers. I mean, that's the good news. And that's why he's so good in New York. Because if you're a finger pointer, the New York media and the talk shows will eat you alive. So, you know, he always owns you feel bad when you criticize him because he's such a smart guy and such a good guy and he totally gets it. But some of this may just be coaching. Like this is kind of Tibbs. Tibbs always hits that sort of ceiling where we're like, listen, I love defense too, but go watch. Go watch the Nuggets and Clippers. Kawhi got buckets. Go watch game one. Jokic got the buckets. That's what the league is, even in the playoffs. So I saw this story this morning. It's a wonky draft. There's a lot of stuff coming out. Giants considering trading up for a quarterback, Jackson Dart, later in the first round. So they would take somebody else, the best player available, like an Abdul Carter. Then later they'd pass on Shador Sanders, and later they would came up and get Jackson Dart. So this is one of the things, you know, the one advantage to age if you're reasonably observant, is you see people make mistakes and you don't even have to make them. You can just avoid other people's mistakes because you've seen so many. And if you look in the NFL in any business, bad businesses tend to overcompensate for previous mistakes and reach. You know, it's like the jets giving Aaron Rodgers too much power because they missed on Zach Wilson. Or the Browns paying DeSean Watson the guaranteed contract, or the Giants, you know, choosing Daniel Jones over Saquon Barkley. It's just bad organizations overcompensating for previous bad decisions. So the idea the Giants now think Jackson Dart is, is the dude for the future in New York. Let me just ask you this. You ever notice that a lot of the quarterbacks that don't make it, you weren't paying a lot of attention to in college and they suddenly got really hot after they stopped playing college football. E.J. manuel, Blake Bortles, Paxton Lynch, Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones, we never talked about him when they were playing in college. Suddenly when they stopped playing and they got a combine or Film films come out. Everybody's like, oh my God, it's Daniel Jones. I watched Daniel Jones play. I watched him play at Duke. Never thought he was a first round quarterback. I didn't watch Paxton lynch play in college. His games weren't on. Now you could say, well, what about Josh Allen? I got a binder from Greg Cosell when Josh Allen was a junior in college at lousy Wyoming. He's like, this guy is a superstar in the making. Patrick Mahomes. People were doing a year before Patrick Mahomes entered his last year of college. Brett Veets went to Andy Reid and said, watch this kid. So the smart teams in this league, you know, they knew who Patrick Mahomes was. Brett Veach was a year ahead of everybody else in his division. They were like, look at this tape. And Andy's like, okay, okay, okay. And he kept bringing tapes to Andy. So he was not somebody that just suddenly got hot. But I say this about Jackson Dart, his last two years with Lane, Kevin as a coach and Ole Miss has big time players. They went and bought big time players the last couple years. Jackson Dart in the sec. I mean, had he beaten Kentucky, they probably get into the playoff. How did he do against Kentucky? 17 points. How did he go against Bama, Georgia and Florida the last two years? And by the way, Florida stunk and Alabama at its worst team since 2007. How did he do against those teams the last two years with Lane Kiffin? More picks than touchdowns, 58% completion percentage. He won one game and in that game he had 13 completions. So it's like, you know, like even Tua, who I don't love, we were talking about Tua the year before he came out. Trevor Lawrence hasn't been as good as we thought. We were talking about Trevor Lawrence when he was a freshman. Matt Stafford, you know, most of the guys that end up being stars in this league, we have an idea who they are as they enter their last year. And there's a lot of talk. I mean, Arch Manning is already being discussed as the number one pick. He didn't start for Texas. So we. Mitch Trubisky was another guy. It's suddenly like, oh, Mitch Trubisky got better when he stopped playing. It's like, wait a minute, I watched him in Carolina. He's a front leg thrower. How are you telling me he's a first round pick? Kenny Pickett's another guy. All of his flaws disappeared once he stopped playing. So I'm not anti any of these guys, but I Never once looked at Zach Wilson at byu. I saw him play Utah twice in the Huskies. I never thought first round quarterback. And then everybody's trying to convince me of it after the fact. So I do think Jackson Dart has talent. I hope he does well. I root for young people, but this feels like, you know, Giants would move up to get him. Boy, oh boy, is this, is this overcompensation now? Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Scout 3 Team now, this is a weak draft. So in a very weak draft, can you argue he's a late first rounder? I wouldn't. Others would. Here's Daniel Jeremiah on the show yesterday.
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Daniel Jeremiah
The way I would sell you on him, you know, in terms of the value there, it reminds me a lot of Hurts, you know, just when Hertz was coming out and that you follow the trend line with Hertz. Hertz got better every year. He was. He was a strong, sturdy guy. He's a gym rat who's obsessed with being good. All the intangible stuff's off the charts. The toughness is there, the intelligence is there. So to me, I think you're just buying that that trend line just keeps on going. I could see Brian Dabo feeling like he's a little bit better fit for that environment that they're in there. In terms of the weather, you're going to be playing in the wind, all those things.
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Colin Cowherd
Now remember though, with Jalen Hurts, best offensive line in football. Devontae Smith, Dallas Goddard, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley, best general manager in football. So that's different. Jalen Hurts goes to a aggressive, winning organization in a pretty bad division. The Giants are the bad team in that division, and they're not near as good as Washington now or Philadelphia. And I'd argue Dallas probably has as good a roster. So I think those are two different situations. But the argument is he keeps getting better. He keeps getting better. And this is not a shot on the kid. It's not. I'm sure he. If this kid saw the video, oh, this guy hates me. I don't. This is more about the Giants because I've watched this my entire life. You know, the jets did this, the Giants did this, Cleveland Browns did this. When. When bad organizations or poorly run organizations tend to reach and overcompensate for previous mistakes. And I just. Now and again, it's a weak draft, so maybe this is the year. But it's. I look at all these guys who suddenly get better when they stopped playing, and you could say, well, what about Lamar Jackson? Lamar Jackson was great in college. The question with Lamar was, because he ran so much in high school and college, will he be a good pocket quarterback in the NFL? It wasn't that he wasn't amazing as an athlete. It was. I mean, there were people saying, I don't think he's a quarterback. I thought he was a quarterback, but it was a different conversation. Don't make that the same conversation, Lamar. Everybody said he'll be the best athlete in the league. I mean, he's going to be. That wasn't the question. The question was, stylistically, Jackson darts a pocket quarterback. I just never watched him with Lane Kiffin and all those players, because I watch Ole Miss football for the big games. I never watched them and went, wow, first round quarterback. What do I know? I mean, you know, except I'm right a lot. Other than that. There's an old saying, don't go grocery shopping when you're hungry and the Giants are starving at quarterback. You know, I used to always have a thing when I would go to Vegas, and I don't go to Vegas much anymore, but when I would go to Vegas and I gambled, I always had one rule, and the staff always laughs at this. I would. I would always gamble hungry. So I. My. The biggest time I would ever gamble was pre dinner. It'd be like 4:30 to 5:30. I would go down on the floor and play blackjack. Okay, why? Because if I hit eight or nine out of 12 hands, I knew it wasn't going to. I couldn't sustain it. And I'd say, boom, 6:15, let's go to dinner. You'd never want to go gamble when you're full because it's like you're, you know, you're. You're tired. I'll just sit there. Well, over the course of 75 hands, you're not going to win 55 hands. But you can hit like, you know, six of your first 10 hands, walk away with 300 bucks and go have dinner drinks on me.
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Greg Rosenthal
That's not bad.
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Colin Cowherd
So, by the way, you know, people will say, what about Patrick Mahomes? Patrick Mahomes, as a sophomore, threw for over 400 yards four times. So the smart people, you've heard Gruden tell stories about this and Brett Veach, the smart guys in the league, knew what he was like as a sophomore. Everybody was like, his dad played Major League baseball his final year of college. He threw for over 450 yards six times. So the question with him was, you know, that conference, the Big 12, does that offense carry to the. It Wasn't that Mahomes didn't have talent. I watched him one time in college and it was wild. It was like Canadian football. It was like three down football. Just slinging it everywhere, no run game. So there you go.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, the Shador at three to the Giants. Joe Shane made such a mistake with the Daniel Jones. He has to make up for that or he's going to lose his job. And you can't tell me that he's thinking, I'll keep my job if we get Jackson Dart at quarterback. Here's what happens.
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Colin Cowherd
If you draft a quarterback and you're a shaky general manager. You'll get another year, right? You'll get another year as a gm because everybody's going to wait and see if it becomes magic. And that would save you.
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, that applies to first round guys, right? Second round quarterback, probably not.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right. That's why I'm saying if you move up and pick a first round quarterback back, it's a little bit of a life preserver for a year for a GM that's in trouble. Because it's like. Well, he showed real promise in those preseason games, which by the way, in the preseason now nobody plays starters and historically nobody blitzes. Yeah, right. So. So you, you draft a quarterback late, first round, he looks good against scout team guys in the exhibition season in August. And everybody's like, hey, Joe, Shane may have found the next Mahomes. Zach Wilson looked good in preseason. You got to slow down. You remember that? I do.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but that. So that's. There's a. And don't kid yourself, there are GMs in this league drafting to save their job. Don't kid yourself, they're drafting guys who have injury reports but can play immediately, but may have a lower ceiling because they can get on the field over a guy who's not ready to play as a rookie but has a much greater growth projectile. So be careful. One of the things that happened a couple days, was it yesterday or the day before? Nico Harrison.
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh, geez.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh my Lord. So he is talking about that Luca trade. And it's really interesting because I've talked to somebody that I, I won't mention their name, who doesn't hold Nico in a high opinion, but something I have learned throughout the course of life, why you should never surround yourself with yes men and why you should never be a loner. And I'll explain that. Coming up, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet PayCor, a paychecks company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset. Your people. Are you ready to become a Better Leader? Visit paycor.com leaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders at the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electoral SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate the all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance while its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space, the IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game, so why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving Machine electrified.
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Daniel Jeremiah
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
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Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
- [20:51]
Daniel Jeremiah
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
- [20:54]
Greg Rosenthal
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
One of the things that is really true, and it doesn't really matter if you're Nike, you're the Dallas Mavericks, you're Major League Baseball, nascar, it doesn't really matter who it is that you need to grow and you need to take chances. You don't want to be the Cincinnati Bengals who never move on the draft. You want to be Philadelphia. Now, Philadelphia, even with their moves, has made mistakes. And you have to be comfortable with making mistakes. But when I watch the Mavericks, Nico Harrison make the LUCA trademark. My first take was, is he a loner? Very few successful men are loners like Elon Musk. You don't have to like him. He's not a loner. Now. He works all day, he's obsessive. But he's got a big circle of influence. This is why, you know, public companies have a board of directors. So if you're going to take chances, you have a lot of voices and a lot of opinions going into your big chances. So Nico Harrison said this regarding the Luca disaster trade. I did know that LUCA was important to the, to the fan base. I didn't quite know it to the, to what level. But really the way we looked at it is, you know, if you're putting on the, if you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay, P.J. anthony, Davis and Lively. We feel that's a championship caliber team and we would have been winning at a high level and that would have quieted some of the outrage. He keeps saying, we, we, we, we. Mark Cuban didn't know about it and Jason Kidd didn't get a heads up. Who's we? Some low level intern scout? I mean, what if, if Mark Cuban, pretty smart guy, I'd lean on him. Didn't know. Jason Kidd, pretty smart guy, he didn't know. There's a story this morning that Jason Kidd resented not being given a heads up. Like, you're either a loner and that disqualifies you as being a gm. And this is one of the things that guys can struggle with. Women are more social than we are. They talk when they go to the bathroom. Right? Guys don't. That's why there's a. You know, there's. Seriously. There's a race for the cure. Women are there for each other during medical crisis. Crises. There is no race for the prostate. Right? Guys don't talk about medical stuff. A guy can go golfing for six hours. You get home and your wife goes, what'd you talk about? And you're like, I don't know. The depth chart for the Chargers. Who's quarterbacking the Bears. How are the kids doing? Well, I didn't ask him about his kids. Well, how are. How are him and Shelly doing? Well, I didn't. I didn't ask him about his wife. You golf for six hours. How did you not ask why? I did. We talked about the Bears. That's who we are as guys. So it's very important that guys make an effort to be social. And when I watch this Nico Harrison thing, my whole take is, bro, don't you have a circle of friends? Well, it was very private. Guys, marriage, company house. You always got a guy you bounce it off of. Because when that deal happened, the very first thing all of us did, you, me, and everybody, we went. That's. That's fake. That's not a real trade. You're gonna tell me nobody in your social circle said, bro one first round pick, Luka Doncic. What? Come on, bro, you got to get more than that. So the whole thing. When I hear this at We, We, We. Well, Jason Kidd didn't know. Mark Cuban didn't know. By the way, the media that covers the Mavericks, there wasn't a sniff of it, so he didn't tell many people. I don't know who we is, but this is something. Guys are not social animals. But there are very few billionaires who are loners or who are yes men. You gotta be willing to just ask buddies, ask friends, ask your scouts. You gotta be willing for people to go, you're totally wrong on something. I can't believe that. Everybody we that he talked to said, yeah, love the move. I can't believe that. That's not. Because every single one of us. And we're just media. You're either in the media or you're a fan. Nobody thought the deal was real. I mean, we were all like, what? What happened? So here's Charles Barkley talking about Nico's presser yesterday. Man, don't do no more press conferences. Play. I don't even know what you're doing. I really don't. Like, I got sympathy and love for you, but I have zero idea what you're trying to do. This war is over, brother.
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Greg Rosenthal
You, you, you got to take, you.
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Colin Cowherd
Taking the L. I hope you keep your job. I hope that team get healthy. But man don't do any more interviews. Yeah, the more he talks, the worse it gets. And I just, I, I understand taking a risk. I mean, Nike has done things as a company and you're like, that's a bad ad campaign. One of the things I say privately to my staff all the time when we, you know, we're talking about sometimes media or stuff, I always say, did somebody in the room not raise their hand and go, yeah, that show's not going to work or that hire is terrible. I can't believe nobody in the maverick circle of trust or Nico circle of trust didn't go. Guys, this is idiotic. One first round pick and Anthony Davis and I'm a, I'm an AD fan. Like you got to get AD Austin Reeves in three to four first round picks to even sleep on it. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.
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Charlemagne Tha God
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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Greg Rosenthal
A little more than 48 hours to the NFL Draft and according to a report the Giants are kind of split on who to take. It seems like the front office of the coaching staff are not on the same page. Front office supposedly wants a quarterback. While it might be Shador Sanders, it seems like the head coach Brian Dable is not as keen on Shador and that could be why the Giants are targeting Jackson Dart a little later. I would hope this report's true, Colin, because if you're 48 hours on the draft and your front office and head coach are split, that ain't great. That looks like it's finger pointing in the blame game.
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Colin Cowherd
Nope. Let me just tell you, this is exactly what I've heard that day. Ball likes Jackson Dart and Joe Shane prefers Shador Sanders. This is not a well kept secret. I was told that over the weekend from somebody in the league who has a pretty good connections in the NFC East. So I trust my source on this. This is, this is. And here's the thing about, about Shador Sanders. You got 50 games on tape. It is a little concerning if I. Let's say you own the New York Giants. I think Joe Shane is disqualified from making the decision. I would lean on Day ball because Joe Shane. I watched HBO Max allowed Saquon Barkley to leave and gave an Extension to Daniel Jones. So I think, I think if I own the team and this happens all the time, I would not trust him. And by the way, there are very well run organizations where the owner has a big say. It's kind of understood in the NFL. Steve Boschotti with the Ravens has influence even on draft weekend. So it's not all owners aren't crazy. They're billionaires, generally pretty smart and make good decisions on average. But I, I, right now, I don't know if I own this team. I could trust the general manager, which is a bad spot to be in.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah. If you go back to that Lamar Jackson move with the Ravens like you were mentioning, they built an offense around his skill set.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Greg Rosenthal
They may not have loved Lamar as a prospect, but hey, we can work with something here. And next thing you know, he's a two time mvp. If Day Bull sees Jackson, dirt could do what I want him to do. He fits my system. I think you got to go with what the coach says.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Right.
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Greg Rosenthal
But the GM knows my job's on the line because of the Daniel Jones contract. Coach ain't giving out contracts. I am. And he gave out the Daniel Jones one.
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Colin Cowherd
It kind of disqualifies him from making because remember, if you draft a quarterback in the first round, that's two years minimum. You have to commit to it.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And if it's the wrong guy, like even, I mean, Kenny Pickett, a year and a half in Mike Tomlin, who doesn't have great offensive feel, was like, this isn't working. You could tell about eight games in Kenny Pickett probably wasn't working.
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Greg Rosenthal
I would just pull the trigger on.
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Colin Cowherd
Shadora 3 and I, that's what I would do. That's what I would.
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Greg Rosenthal
You know, we watched a full season of this guy. He was a damn good quarterback all season. September, October, November, we're thinking he's the number one pick or top five pick for sure. And now nobody wants him. It just feels a little weird. Anyways, let's move on to Devonte Adams. Colin. He's on his third team in the last four years after signing with the Rams this offseason. In a recent interview, he discussed the dysfunction he's been around at his last two stops, joking that he'll find out if he was the one making those organizations dysfunctional. He added that joining the Rams is true optimism instead of just true hope. And the most important thing was joining a good winning team. So he went from a Packers team where they were always contending for the Super bowl number one seed and everything to six and 11 Raiders, eight, nine Raiders. And then last year Raiders and Jets were terrible.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the Rams do a pretty good job of this, of finding value. They've done this a few times. He was, he actually started playing very well with Aaron Rodgers down the stretch. It took a while to get going because they had some coaching movement. But I think this guy is still on any Sunday with like Matt Stafford you will feel like, oh, he's still a 1i. There's not a doubt in my mind he can still play. He may not be 125 catch guy. Is he a 78 catch guy with six touchdowns? Because Puka's drawing double coverage on the other side. And Tyler Higby, the tight end, good running back. So it's not like you can just roll your coverage over him. He's going to be open a lot and I thought they, they found some value with him.
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Greg Rosenthal
Good coach, great quarterback. I think he's in great shape. The week I hosted we had a gambling guy on and his pick for the super bowl, if you want to look, do an exacta. Was Bill's Rams in the Super Bowl. You kind of seem like you could be on board.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I've said before I, I have the Rams getting to the NFC championship.
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Greg Rosenthal
I, I thought that was a little surprising. But they, they might, they might be the best team in, in the. I don't know. It's not the lot, it's not the Lions anymore. Right.
- [33:15]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I think Philadelphia deserves the respect, but it's just, just never forget when Philadelphia was rolling over people. The Rams went into a snowstorm and had the ball to 50 yard line. And if they didn't have a six round center against Jalen Carter and had protection, they probably win the game and go to the NFC championship where they would be favored over Jaden Daniels. I mean that, that's. And by the way, the, if the Rams got to the super bowl, the Chiefs left tackle situation with Jared Verse a matched up very well with the Chiefs who were down tackles.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah. Final story, Collins to the NBA tonight. Lakers hosting the Timberwolves in game two. I'm sure you're going to be there, right? It's a big one late. Must win for the Lakers. I don't know. Again, I missed the game being on travel, but I watched all the YouTube highlights. A condensed version. It looked like a Lakers team that was kind of sort of, I don't know, disengaged. Well, they were also like eight days off. The Timberwolves played in the play in and JJ Redick kind of talked about the mindset of the team heading into today's game too.
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Colin Cowherd
We just have to do a lot of things better. It starts with playing harder and being horses this week. You know we probably could have done a few more scrimmages but we had our best practice. We've had months. They played live for a very extended period of time. Got a good lather. I. Lakers are favored by what?
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Greg Rosenthal
I think five and a half. Five and a half right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I like. Actually I like the Lakers tonight.
- [34:46]
Greg Rosenthal
I think you should. Then again I like the Knicks last night and they, they have not looked good in the series but again I. They've won one quarter. Lakers should be fine.
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Colin Cowherd
I. I think a lot of this was my take is a lot of this was eight days off. You know in the NFL, even in football we found that buys are not a big advantage. People even in football where you're tackled, everybody's sore. The, the buy the. The number one seed buy at home. Remember when the Chiefs play the Texans you're like Texans are giving Kansas City issues.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's like I, I think eight days off.
- [35:26]
Greg Rosenthal
In the end they were 50 from three hit 21 threes. I mean they were plus 18 on threes in a game that was like, you know, it should have been closer than that. I like Lakers tonight. Now do you want to get exactly exotic and bet on the Grizzlies Thunder game? Do you think the Grizzly can bounce back?
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Greg Rosenthal
Not even first quarter.
- [35:44]
Colin Cowherd
I think the Grizzlies are completely dysfunctional. Completely dysfunctional operation. Coach, is that the right coach, is.
- [35:52]
Greg Rosenthal
That the right star point guard?
- [35:54]
Colin Cowherd
I just. I think they're a dysfunctional franchise and I think they're going to get in Oklahoma City's really, really good and deep. Well coached smartly. Gm the Oklahoma City's don't play around with them.
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Greg Rosenthal
There's a must win for Reddick though. He's got to show up here. Your boy Chris Finch coached a really good game one they just had to get one game in la. They got it. I think you're right.
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Colin Cowherd
The problem for the Lakers is they're a bad road team all year and Minnesota is a very solid road team. So now the Lakers are at a home court disadvantage and they have not closed out games on the road. Sub 500. That's. That's for a good team that. Yeah. J Mac with a news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. You know Chris Sims is best friends with Kyle Shanahan, the Niners coach. Did you hear what Chris Sims said yesterday? Said the Niners should trade? Brock Purdy said that publicly. We'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific draft coverage Yep, with the first pick, the biggest names that know about every player in every team. You've got it right here. Listen as Fox NFL insider Jay Glazer, former New York jets general manager Joe Douglas, college Football hall of Famer and former number two overall pick levar Arrington and Fox Sports League college football reporter Jimmy Tapp, who deliver the pick by pig coverage. This is an exciting night. Fox Trap Night Live lives right here on Fox Sports Radio. Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a paychecks company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset, your people. Are you ready to become a Better Leader? Visit paycor.com leaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders at the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The Ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance while its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space, the IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving Machine electrified.
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Daniel Jeremiah
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
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Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
- [38:59]
Daniel Jeremiah
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
- [39:01]
Greg Rosenthal
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down. Once all 257 picks have been made.
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Daniel Jeremiah
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Colin Cowherd
So it. It is sort of eye opening when Chris Sims goes on his show on NBC and says this about Brock Purdy, who's in contract negotiations. The Steelers want Brock Purdy as their quarterback. Would they want him? Right, but they want to do it like, hey, listen, if I, hey, it might be too late in the game to make a move like that for the 49ers now, but damn, if I had something to say about it, I would have been like, let's just blow this thing up. Let's trade him away to somebody and let's get somebody else at quarterback for the future and build this team again.
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Charlemagne Tha God
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- [40:55]
Colin Cowherd
That's what I would want to do. That's what I would do. He has a market. There's six teams every year to eight that are desperate at quarterback. Okay, don't confuse lucky with foundational. Let's say you go to a garage sale, you buy a picture for 15, 20 bucks. 20 years later, antiques Roadshow comes to your town and you sell it for 20 grand. That's lucky. Okay? That's lucky. That doesn't make it a business. What do you do for a living? Oh, I just go to garage sales and I pay $20 for paintings and I sell them for $20,000. That's not a business. Just be. Just be grateful. If the Niners are so brilliant, then why did they pass on Brock Purdy? Six, seven times. The whole league did. They got lucky. And he fits the system, especially when they're all healthy. Smart kid, recognizes defense quickly. Not a big arm, but he kind of fits the system. Doesn't have a big ego. He'll do what Kyle says. And this offense, when healthy two years ago, three years ago, when he came into the league was stacked. They were super bowl favorites. Every year they were stacked. Let Pittsburgh make a mistake. Call the New York Giants somebody that seven to eight teams every year are desperate. He's smaller than you'd like. Arm is okay. Already had two injuries to his throwing shoulder or throwing elbow. Shoulder. And he does not play particularly well in inclement weather because of hand size. Don't. Don't confuse him as a franchise. 55, $58 million a year quarterback. I'm not saying he can't be a franchise quarterback, but Kyle Shanahan, go look at his record against winning teams or when the weather's a little inclement. I've always said this. The difference between the haves and have nots in this league. Geno Smith with a run game in protection can win you nine, 10 games. I'm not paying him $55 million. I like Sam Darnold. I'd pay him $33 million. You're talking 55 million. Puka Nkua said it last week. It's like windows closed. Don't confuse. Finding a $20,000 painting at a garage sale is. You're a brilliant. You're a brilliant. You know art hunter now? No. You got lucky. It was behind an old lamp. Nobody saw it. It was covered by like a bedspread. Nobody saw it. You needed to fill that third bedroom in your house with some painting that reminded you of your mom's paintings. So I to me, don't even compare him to Jalen Hurts, who was a second round quarterback. People say, well, I've heard this before. He's Jalen Hurts a little bit. No, he's not. Jalen Hurts squat 600 pounds. Jalen Hurts is an elite athlete. Jalen Hurts in the super bowl he lost, had four touchdowns, 70 completion rate and a. And a passer completion rating of 70 and 102. Passer rating in the Super Bowl. He lost. Brock 30 in the Super Bowl. He lost. Was bad. Go look the numbers up. Passer rating in the 80s, one touchdown completion, about 60%. They're not the same. Don't give me. Jalen Hurts was a better high school player, a better college player. He's a better NFL player. And I'm that's just Jalen hurts. But I hear that comp once in a while. It's like, no, no. He's closer to Dak who's as good as the talent around him. That's what it is. Oh, the other thing I was thinking about so I watched the Clippers Nuggets is a great series. These two teams are so even. In the first game it came down to Jokic hitting the big buckets. Late last night it came down to Kawhi Leonard hitting the big buckets late. And I was sitting, I was sitting watching Kawhi Leonard. He is the strangest great player of all time. Non verbal, doesn't want to lead no social media. Even his shoe was weird. His laugh is odd. But years ago I said this when he was actually playing more games. This year he played 37 games and that's with restrictions on minutes. And I said this five or six years ago. I said in terms of get a bucket, get a stop. He's very much Michael Jordan that everybody compares LeBron and Michael Jordan. LeBron is much more Magic Johnson. Much more Magic Johnson elevates others. Kobe Bryant had Michael Jordan. So does Kawhi Leonard. Kawhi Leonard hand size Jordan mid range game Jordan strength Jordan. Now Kawhi doesn't have his durability or his personality. But if you took Kawhi and Kobe Bryant, that's Michael. Michael and Kobe athletically were the same cat and both had a flair for the dramatic and a personality. Kawhi is not durable. Kobe was. MJ was. Kobe had a personality. MJ had a personality. But the one thing Kawhi has that Kobe didn't is the hand size allows Kawhi to do things offensively. Push off with one hand, use the other that even Kobe couldn't do. So I'm watching him last night and again he just doesn't play enough. He's a very odd all time player, but he is unstoppable when he's healthy. And I said this after they lost game one. I'll still take the Clippers. They're a much better defensive team. They've got a better coach. Ty Lu will win one game. These games are in Denver. They could have gone, they could have won both. Jokic got real sloppy in this game. I think he had seven or eight turnovers. But James Harden's thoughts on Kawhi, his career, the stop and start nature, all the things he's gone through. Do you think? And he keeps coming back. Do you Think he gets the appreciation from people from for what he's endured and coming back from? Nah, not even a little bit. It's always negative. It's always, you know, what he's been through and you know, what he's not able to do just because of something that he can't control. But we don't appreciate how great he is when he's actually out there and putting on performances like this tonight. Yeah, I disagree. I think everybody does appreciate him. I think everybody in the league knows how great he is. Everybody's just frustrated. He's never available. I've never talked to a single scout in the NBA, a single person I respect that isn't in awe of his talent. Now he wasn't as good as MJ early, right? McDonald's all American. He had to really grind on his game and he does have like a degenerative knee problem. But that was his fourth playoff game with 30 plus points shooting 70% or better. There is a lot of MJ and I'll say it again, if you took Kobe and Kawhi, that's mj. If you never saw MJ play, the hand size, the mid range game, I mean Denver's got all sorts of athleticism and size. Michael, Porter, Gordon, they just kept throwing guys at him. He's like, nope. And he doesn't use pick and rolls. He doesn't need pick and roll. Jordan, you're not going to find a lot of Jordan pick and roll highlights. Michael didn't need it and Kawhi doesn't need it. He's like, gordon, come out and guard me. It doesn't matter. You can send anybody at him, it just doesn't matter. And he is truly an all time great talent. But there's never been anybody like him where he's non verbal and he's just not available. I disagree with James Harden that people don't respect him. I think people in the league fear him and are in awe of him. But it'd be like if let's say you love Lamar Jackson, but he only played eight games a year, you would respect him. But you're like, it's too bad Lamar Jackson's just not available. The reason we love Lamar among his brilliance is that dude takes hips. That dude is ready to play. So it's just, it's not that he's not respected or criticized. Dude, when you're playing 37 games and you're on restriction minutes, what do you want us to say about him?
- [48:52]
Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, that's why I have no read on the series at all. I don't know how much he's going to play. Like game one, he did not look great, right? Game two bounces back. Phenomenal. He's, he's one of these all time man, if that guy were healthy, imagine if he had LeBron's health his entire career. Kawhi Leonard, like we're looking at one of the top 20 players in the history of the sport.
- [49:10]
Colin Cowherd
The other reason I love him in and I think he's really good in the playoffs is that everybody talks about analytics and I understand shooting three pointers over the course of a regular season volume. But playoff basketball, you have watched it in the last two in the first two games of this series. Nuggets, Clippers, sometimes you just need a basket. You don't care about the math. We need to take a lead or tie the game. And that's where Kawhi is great. He can make the stop or he can get the bucket. And you know, we're never going to think of Kawhi as Mr. Analytics. But by the way, Westbrook has hit big threes in this series. Like several big threes.
- [49:53]
Greg Rosenthal
Let's see if that continues.
- [49:54]
Colin Cowherd
I'm just saying we gotta be fair on Westbrook. Westbrook in the first two games of the series has hit huge, huge shots. Last night. Two corner threes. All right, Nick Wright is around the corner. On a Tuesday, it's the Herd. Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a paychecks company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset, your people. Are you ready to become a better leader? Visit paycor.com leaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders.
- [50:44]
Daniel Jeremiah
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
- [50:51]
Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
- [50:55]
Daniel Jeremiah
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
- [50:58]
Greg Rosenthal
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made.
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Daniel Jeremiah
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Rosenthal
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Rosenthal
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