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Colin Cowherd (2:47)

Oh it is A Thursday. We have so much to talk about. We are live. It is the her heard wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We got A.J. persinski talking about the Padres Dodgers rivalry, which is intense. Albert Greer. Christine Brennan has got a new book out. I started it last night. Really interesting on Caitlin Clark. Christine Brennan's been very very critical of the WNBA and I think deservedly so. So we got a lot on the docket today. J. Mack but yesterday after the show there was a and we we don't nor a ton about this but there was a sale wasn't long ago. The Celtics sold for 6 billion. Louisiana is a much bigger market. They sold for $10 billion yesterday and nobody Laker fans aren't quite sure how to react and I'm here to tell you it is a great day to be a Laker fan. So the group that bought the Lakers already owned a part of them. Mark Walter group, really shrewd LA resident. All you have to do to wonder what's going to happen to the Lakers is look at the Dodgers scouting, research and development facilities. Patience. A sharp dude. Don't know him. Know people that do. They spend more money than anyone. But they are very judicious. They rarely miss. The Lakers have been a mom and pop shop for years. It's Jeanie Buss and friends of the family. That's cute. But this is 2025 and it's pro sports. The organization needs more juice, more financing, more eyes. New eyes. And this is what they have. They're going officially from dial up to fiber optic. Yesterday was a great day to be a Laker fan. Now the reports are well, Jeannie Buss will still be the governor. She will still be in the front office. Yeah. And that's what Mark Cuban told us when he sold the Mavs. And then he didn't know about the Luca trade. That's sort of a big deal. She's not going to have any power now. I think she's done great in operations. She's beloved in Los Angeles. A really cool person. Having her around the organization is awesome. But it's a whole different ballgame. When you spend $10 billion to buy something, you're going to have the final say. And that's what the Lakers need. This Dodger group, I'm telling you, man, they update and upgrade constantly. They don't give money away. They could have had Manny Machado. Nope. Corey Bellinger, mvp. Corey Seager. They'll move off people since Mark Walter and His group have arrived. Here's the reality. The Dodgers are first or tied for first and wins pennants, titles, World Series titles. And I hear this stuff. I hear all the fear mongers. Colin, just another oligarch, another billionaire that doesn't care about the team. You want to know the worst owners in my life? Ted Stepien? Look it up. Donald Sterling, Marge Schott. None of them were venture capitalists. None of them, like Mark Walter, were global asset managers. Small thinkers, bad people. Not this group. When you watch the Dodgers, man, they don't miss. It's impressive. By the way, a lot of teams spend money. Yankees spend a lot of money. They're top heavy. Dodgers never are. So even the way they finance stuff, deferred payments, they're always a step ahead. They go and get the very best people. When they took the Dodgers over, Andrew Friedman was the hot shot GM in Tampa. They went and got him. They were working on that Ohtani deal. Three years when he was an angel. Three years out, they started working on that deal. I would not be surprised if they doubled the R and D. Doubled the scouting department. The Lakers have too many friends and family. I'm looking for a meritocracy, not a barbecue. This is a great day. Don't be afraid of something that's been in the building for years. Now they own all of it. Okay. I think the Lakers, the bus family, owns 15% for a couple years. Okay. The media does something from time to time and kind of rubs me the wrong way. They pander. And I get it. Athletes are young. I've said this before about the NBA. I'm not going to beat up on young NBA players making mistakes. They come into the league at 18, 19, 20 years old. Okay, but the NFL is different. You come into the NFL at 22, 23. Now some guys are staying in college for nil money. Maybe 25. And at the quarterback position, I am harsh and punitive. The media again, tends to pander too often. I warned Cleveland about Johnny Manziel. Colin, you're overreacting. Uncle Colin was right. I warned you that Baker was good, but too immature. I was right on that too. And Stefanski eventually showed in the door. Baker now has grown up. I like this Baker. But I was right. And I was right about Deshaun Watson. Creepy, cringy. That's not a leader at that position. So yesterday, Shedeur Sanders got caught speeding over 100 miles an hour. He's a quarterback. Mike Tomlin often says two is a trend. Can't screw up three or Four times. Two is a trend. Just two times. I'm not sure if I need two times. When you're a young quarterback, one bad judgment turns me off. But I have now in the last couple of months, two things that really turned me off. Wish it. Or Sanders, who I have championed that cringy, awful, legendary draft room. Bro, you're a B prospect. You know your dad's prime time who led with his ego for years. You gotta have a little self awareness. I had more than one gm say, total turnoff. Come on, it's not the end of the world. It's a bad look. And now this. 100 miles an hour. Yep. All you fanboys go ahead. Manziel, Baker, Deshaun Watson defended it to the hilt on your Reddit account.

Jason McIntyre (9:28)

Sorry.

Colin Cowherd (9:29)

Don't minimize it. Don't pander. This is not good for a quarterback. Not good. As of today, and I've said this for years, I do not cling to opinions. New information, new opinion. I'm an airline pilot. We got a storm coming. Here's the latest radar. I'm changing my route, not flying headfirst into it. I don't think about him the same. There was a moment I thought Will Levis, about four months out from the draft, had a chance. And I turned on Will Levis when he started showing up like a bodybuilder gun show. And I had two NFL coaches both needing quarterbacks who text me, got my number and text me. They're like, this is the exact conversation we are having in our building right now. Two NFL coaches, head coaches. They're like, bro, we're laughing, watching this. It matters. New information, legendary 100 miles an hour judgment is 50% of being a quarterback. When you fall to 144 in the draft and then try to match that number behind the wheel of a car. Yeah, I don't think the same. You ignored signs with Manziel and Baker. And apparently based on the traffic violation, Shedeur was avoiding some signs too. The ones that say stop. I feel differently today. I'm not as high on him. I'm not sure he's mature enough. Now I'm going to have to like Kenny Pickett. J. Mack. Oh boy.

J. Mac (11:17)

I'm laughing at Kenny Pickett. Not obviously the Shador situation, but Colin, that's an interesting 180 from you. My guy.

Colin Cowherd (11:24)

Yep, yep. Going from a put him in the.

J. Mac (11:27)

Hall of Fame because of seven on seven drills in June. And now it's like, well, he was going 41 over the limit. Let's.

Colin Cowherd (11:34)

Hey, you know me. You know you and I are similar this way. New information, new opinion.

J. Mac (11:39)

I would agree.

Colin Cowherd (11:40)

And I said I did not like the legendary draft room. It was cringy. It's not the end of the world. But people reached out. You add these two together, all you have to do, Cleveland, Mandel, Baker. I kept saying Baker did. Wasn't the end of the world, but it's something. It's a lack of self awareness. You know, it's like your shirt off, posing with a tiger. It's like, bro, how about you play a game like one before you go supermodel on us? But in the end, Stefanski and Andrew Barry, two smart guys, were like, yeah, we just. He's putting, he's starting too many fires, not putting them out. It's something.

J. Mac (12:14)

Yeah. Interesting. So Dylan Gabriel, QB1. No, in all seriousness though, regarding Shador, like, especially speeding tickets. Not the end of the world.

Colin Cowherd (12:21)

Not the end.

J. Mac (12:22)

It's after midnight. Sounds like it was a nice new vehicle. He's got probably a V8. A lot of power. I guess my question, Colin, is like, have you ever worked with someone who you knew was on thin ice? And you're like, man, they're looking for a reason to get rid of that guy. He better not screw up. And he makes one misstep and he's gone. Have you ever worked with somebody in that realm?

Colin Cowherd (12:41)

Listen, when you fall to the fifth round and are perceived as a first round quarterback, you are on thin ice. And when there's a perception that the owner wanted you drafted, not the gm, you are on perilously thin ice. They're not letting him practice with the ones Dylan Gabriel is. You're on even thinner ice. You can't get in trouble. You can't get in trouble. This is not good. Do not minimize. I can assure you this. Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefanski didn't go. This is super duper. Well, yeah, they rolled their eyes.

J. Mac (13:16)

They probably went, you know, kind of were looking at the owner like, see, I told you. But again, this is just a speeding ticket. I'm going to remind you, Dak Prescott had an incident before the draft.

Colin Cowherd (13:25)

Do you remember?

J. Mac (13:26)

Not great. Had an incident and people were like, oh, how can you do that before the draft? Like, where's the awareness?

Colin Cowherd (13:32)

But, but Dak Prescott, if you went back to. And I said this, the Dak Prescott stuff I talked about on this show and you know, he did drop to the fourth round.

J. Mac (13:43)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (13:44)

For being a very good college quarterback. But Dak Prescott from that moment on has been one of the best leaders, period, at any position in the NFL. I'm saying it's not the end of the world. But when you. And there, by the way, there were four or five incidents. I saw one piece of video against Nebraska where Shadour did some stuff on the field I didn't love. Like, like there's there. By the way, there are people on the Internet that will find you four or five and six pieces of video. In college where he was a little into Shador Sanders. Not the greatest teammate, Right? Again, I stayed away from that. But when I watched, when I watched the legendary draft room, I'm like, oh, dude, a little again. If he's a cornerback. You know my rule on this. I look at point guards and quarterbacks differently. I, I'm now, I look at him now and I'm just. This may be the last Sanders segment I do know. Yeah, yeah, I think it is.

J. Mac (14:40)

Over a speeding ticket.

Colin Cowherd (14:43)

Again, you're not listening. It's not a speeding ticket. It's multiple incidents in college. It's the draft room. Just like, just like, you know broadcasters, if your show doesn't get ratings, you're on thin ice.

J. Mac (14:57)

You overlooked all of that during the OTAs when he was crushing.

Colin Cowherd (15:01)

No, no, I didn't. I talked about it every day, that it was amazing. I've never overlooked a thing. I've always gone over the top. Positive. J. Mac, let me give you some guidance as an old guy, okay? Very few people in important positions. You're judged every day.

J. Mac (15:21)

100.

Colin Cowherd (15:22)

I'm judged by management at my company and they like me. Every day doesn't take many screw ups. Narratives change and that's after success. I mean, look at. Think how great Brady was. Belichick was drafting quarterbacks every other year just in case Garoppolo second round. They couldn't have used another receiver. If you don't think management's talking about. I had a great agent years ago. I had an agent, I brought him up yesterday named Nick Khan. Nick Khan. The greatest advice I ever got. He said companies make a decision a year before they tell you. I now own a company. I make decisions six months before I tell anybody. You, you think upstairs in the building they're just like. It's just, you know, his foot got stuck on the gas. Not the way it works. I agree.

J. Mac (16:10)

I. This is so weird. You were in. You were a big Shador guy. I was kind of anti. They like Dylan Gabriel. Now this. And I find myself. I kind of want to defend Shador a little bit, but it's it's not indefensible.

Colin Cowherd (16:24)

By the way he says that. Let's. Let's not take you or I. Somebody's watching or listening to my show. Love your wife. Great kids, supportive, got your back. You walk in, she's with a mailman. What? Does it not change everything? I mean, it's not the end of the world. She's not an axe murderer. Infidelity in an instant changes everything. And it's not the end of the world. It happens all the time in relationships. It's something not appropriate. Go ahead.

J. Mac (17:00)

How does he overcome this? Again, it's. It's not a great look. I don't think it's the end of the world.

Colin Cowherd (17:05)

You know, I didn't say it was. I said for me. I didn't say that. For me it's different. Yeah, now it's different. Sorry, I'm out. Good luck. Fifth round guy. You know what? I'm gonna go to a Reddit board under CC and start posting some Dylan Gabriel's demand.

J. Mac (17:25)

Get on board. Hype train, baby. Dylan Gabriel. Here he comes.

Colin Cowherd (17:31)

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Colin Cowherd (21:37)

All right, you're now entering the no Bull zone, sponsored by Credible Great Rates. None of the bull. A report that LeBron James is, quote, comfortable with the sale of The Lakers. He's 40. He's played 22 seasons. And I'll. And I'll say this about the new ownership group of the Lakers. It's the ownership group of the Dodgers. That ownership group in the front office moved off Cody Bellinger, a National League mvp. Corey Seeger, a World Series mvp. Max Scherzer. They knew Manny Machado was going to go to the Padres, their rival. All right, see ya. They could have paid for all of them. They'll move off stars if Luka doesn't stay in shape, if Luca doesn't defend at a higher level, they'll sign him to the summer, Max. He'll get his 228 million. They'll move off him. They will move off him. Kobe Bryant, in my opinion, had too much control the last four or five years. And LeBron in the last two or three, to me, has too much control. He's the ecosystem of the offense. And Dr. Buss loved family and friends and understood stars. There's nothing wrong with that. But I think the Lakers, the Cowboys, the Bengals have been run like mom and pop shops. Too many friends and family, not interested. I want the best person, not the best last name. That's what I'm looking for. So the Dodgers, with this group, have moved off MVPs. Not, not just MVPs. World Series MVPs in their 20s, 30s, young 30s, mid-20s. Don't move off guys. They don't care. They prioritize winning. And the Bus family, to their credit, has always understood the value of stars. They've been very good about that. You can go. You can go. You know, Kareem, now, the Bus family didn't have. But Magic Johnson, you know, they understood it. Shaq, Kobe, they get it. LeBron, AD, they get it. Okay? But. But you got to get the right stars. When the Yankees signed John Carlos Stanton, when they've already got Aaron Judge in the building. Duplication. You got injuries with John Carlos Stanton. That's not a smart move. That's just. That's just bad money. He struggled with his health. He's never really been as good as you think. And you had a duplicate player who's better in the building, a power hitter. So to me, it's not just money. They will hold Luca accountable. And by the way, the second richest ownership group in the NBA right now is the Dallas Mavericks. And they said, well, the ma. The max he could make with the Mavericks is much greater than the max for the Lakers. And they said, no, no, no, he's getting hurt. He's not in shape. He won't defend. You think the Walter group, and they're. They got a lot more sports properties and a lot more experience if Luca doesn't get in shape. And I don't want to see another video of leg presses. He's a pro athlete. I do leg presses. I do. I'm in radio and television. I do leg presses twice a week. I don't want to see that video. I want to see the results. And I want to see defense. All the great Laker players in my lifetime. Jerry west, elite defender. Kareem, elite defender. LeBron, elite. Kobe in his prime. Shaq in his prime. Gasol would defend Anthony Davis. Great defend, underrated defender. Maybe the best defender in the league the last two years. Luca, come on. You gotta do better. Gotta do better. All right? I mean, Kobe has as many. All defensive selections. The staff just sent this as Kevin Garnett. I mean, Kobe was. Took great pride in it. And he didn't have to send me videos of, you know, LeBron James doing leg presses or Jerry west pre TikTok or pre IG. He was doing leg presses. Okay? I don't need to see that video. Look, look. He's doing sit ups on an off day. Not interested. Watch the games. Let me see results. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.

J. Mac (25:50)

Turn on the news.

Christine Brennan (25:51)

This is the headline news hater.

J. Mac (25:55)

Sorry. Get that hater out of my throat there. All right, let's get started. Game 6 tonight in the NBA Finals feels like it's over. Tyrese Halliburton, they're calling him a game time decision. He did take part in yesterday's practice, which was a film session and a walkthrough with light shooting. If you're watching there on FS1, you could see the calf kind of tighten up when he went down there in. In the last game. Colin, it sounds like Halliburton will not play. Here he is talking about his status.

Unknown (26:24)

You have to understand the risks, ask the questions. But I'm a competitor. I want to play. I'm going to do everything in my power to play, and that's just what it is. I'm questionable from time to time throughout the course of the season, and they trust me to make the right Decision on my body when the power is in my hands. And you know I'm going to try my best to, to do that. But I mean, you understand, I want to be out there and you know, that's the plan.

J. Mac (26:48)

It's unclear, Colin if he was doing any running at practice. It sounds like there was some shooting.

Colin Cowherd (26:55)

113, 106. Okay.

J. Mac (26:59)

See, yeah, I don't hate that.

Colin Cowherd (27:03)

Lower scoring. The only way they can win is lower.

J. Mac (27:07)

This is weird, Colin. I, I know. It's NBA finals. To me, this is your third best option On TV tonight. USA Soccer is number one. Obviously it's a massive.

Colin Cowherd (27:16)

Yes.

J. Mac (27:16)

USA Saudi. That's top game. And you know we can't lose that game. Second is going to be Caitlin Clark, which we'll talk about here shortly. But I, I, for me, I don't have a lot of people saying, hey, Jay, any shot? The Pacers come back among tons of text chains people are not talking about.

Colin Cowherd (27:31)

If Halliburton was healthy, the series would have some juice. His inactivity or marginal playing. It's over. They're not beating this team two times without him. He, this team is so good at ball pressure on the perimeter that literally the only way to beat them is with ball handling and ball movement. And the best guy arguably in the playoffs has been Halliburton at that. So it's, it's not gonna work.

J. Mac (27:57)

Yeah, it feels over. All right, let's go to the next room, which is the wnba. Listen, I, I know you don't agree with this, but the WNBA has announced no suspensions following the Fever Sun. What are we calling it? A melee, A kerfuffle, A lot of flagrant fouls, multiple ejections, an eye poke there. Caitlin Clark got decked. I don't love this, Colin. I'll tell you why in a second. I think you got to set notice. You can't just rough people up like this. Yeah, I don't like this.

Colin Cowherd (28:29)

There's a lot of smart people out there whose opinion I read or trust that are like, hey, it's got to be, got to be a suspension for that. It's got to be just beyond a flagrant or a technical foul. And that's a legit. We can argue both sides, but I think there's a legitimate argument for messaging. We're going to suspend you for that. It may not be long two game suspension, but I think you can argue reasonably that it deserves a suspension. And I wouldn't push back. You know, not everything I'm definitive on. There are Things that I'm like, yeah, either side's fine. And I, I think in this, if you, if you think there should be a suspension, I'm good with that. You can argue that.

J. Mac (29:09)

So here's the other layer to this. So tonight the fever played it expansion team, the Golden State Valkyrie. I don't know, I don't know. I don't follow their team or any of that. But I read about a gambling guy does a write up and he's been following this Golden State team. The number one thing they do is physical defense. They get in your face. Listen. And the league announcing basically, oh no suspensions. It's fine. This expect this team to go hard at Caitlin Clark tonight. I'm just putting it out there. I'm not saying there's going to be a fight or anything, but they play physical brand of basketball. Caitlin Clark better get her enforcers because this is going to be a theme and I'm excited for the Christine Brennan interview later. I got the book as well. I'm very pro Caitlin Clark, you know that. Colin, I am worried that she's going to become a target in this league. People are jealous. Oh, she's our show. She's carrying the league well. I'm going to show her. I don't like some of this stuff that's swirling out there.

Colin Cowherd (30:05)

It's fair. I that's I. It makes me want to watch the game. This game has more juice than the NBA finals. No question. No question.

J. Mac (30:12)

You're not lying. Final story is to Major league Baseball. Last night had some drama. Dodgers, Padres, great rivalry. Here we go. Let's set the scene. In the ninth inning, Will Smith steps up as a pinch hitter.

Colin Cowherd (30:27)

Smith pushes the fly ball right center field. Tatis on the run at the warning.

Unknown (30:32)

Track at the wall.

Colin Cowherd (30:33)

It is gone. It's gone.

Unknown (30:36)

And this game is over.

Colin Cowherd (30:40)

They celebrate in front of the plate.

Unknown (30:43)

A walk cop home run for Will Smith. The Dodgers win in the ninth, four to three.

Colin Cowherd (30:49)

I actually thought it was initially caught.

J. Mac (30:52)

Yeah. How did t not cat that I'm.

Jason McIntyre (30:54)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (30:54)

I mean for a second. This rivalry is so good. They have played now 24 times in the last two years. 13 Dodger wins. I think it's 13 to 11 and this was a go either way game. This is. There are so many great players in this rivalry. It is insane how much talent these two teams. We saw these teams play last year and I remember if they play the playoff game and the Dodgers, I remember went with a bullpen game and had. Did they shut him out or they had an and I remember being just shocked because I thought the momentum had swung in the Padres favor so the Dodgers just have a way of always winning the big games in this series but it's a, it is a star studded 7, 8, 9 elite players in this series minimum.

J. Mac (31:39)

Yeah Dodgers now 5 and 1 against the Padres this season kind of dominant Colin I know you don't want me hyp la but between this Dodgers team that just won the World Series probably going back Lakers new ownership that's going to spend to build around Luca you got LAFC as a as a beast out here in soccer why wouldn't I.

Colin Cowherd (31:57)

Want you to hype la? I'm flying there Sunday morning I'll be.

J. Mac (32:00)

There next I know the the city awaits your arrival oh by the way the Rams I can't think according to you are going to the super bowl. The Chargers and Jim Harbaugh like everything's.

Colin Cowherd (32:10)

Coming up we've said this outside of usc, all the big brands in Los Angeles, I mean you say what you want about the Lakers but they're not I mean they're making the playoffs. The west is very hard the third.

J. Mac (32:22)

Seed in the west not just making the playoffs.

Colin Cowherd (32:24)

No it's right now Los Angeles has really really good ownership. The Dodgers, the new Laker ownership Steve Ballmer they've got and they've got really good ownership and a lot of cities don't. Stan Kroenke obviously Spano's family's done a good job Harbaugh and Justin Herbert, two great offensive tackles. They're spending big money now. So it a lot of this stuff is is how good are your local owners? LA's got really good owners and really shrewd front offices.

J. Mac (32:53)

You know who bad bottom the the New York team. The jets owners one of the worst in the league. Mara stepped in it recently. James Dolan firing Thibodeau. By the way I read this long Knicks piece last night. Oh my gosh, this Knicks situation is terrible right now.

Colin Cowherd (33:09)

I think we read the same piece.

J. Mac (33:10)

I don't know if we'll talk about it later May you know but oh.

Colin Cowherd (33:13)

New York, New York, JMAC with the news.

Christine Brennan (33:19)

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Colin Cowherd (33:24)

So again the Caitlyn Clark stuff is fascinating and I I've said this before. You can tell me you respect somebody but you respect somebody. I don't want lip service. How do you treat them? Do you treat them as an equal? And I've said from the very beginning with the wnba. If you want to respect them, then judge them like men. They're great, talented, competitive, intense athletes. Stop pandering. Put the pom poms down. Take down the protective shield. Caitlin Clark is tough. She got a lot of Larry Bird. She is feisty. So there, there's a video that made the Internet. It was yesterday. And you could read what Caitlin Clark was saying, right? And she got a little blowback on that because at one point she said, hey, I can do what I want. And everybody took that poorly. They're like, look, I read an article this morning. She's telling J.C. sheldon the NBA, the WNBA has got her back. No, she's not. That's not what she's saying. She's saying like Larry Bird did when somebody got into his face. Okay, who's playing for second place in the three point shooting contest? I'm going to do whatever I want. Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Shaq. I'm going to do whatever I want. That didn't mean the WNBA or the NBA has the athletes back. Folks, if you could have had this same Internet lip reading quality with MJ and Bird. I saw MJ and Bird after their retirement. It was a few years ago. They met at a game in the tunnel and they greeted each other with smiles and MF's. That's how they talked. And that is how athletes talk. Cocky and confident is the language of competition. Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Premier League, NFL, NBA guys drop F bombs at each other and golf the next week at each other's charity. That's Caitlin Clark. Stop treating this differently than you would treat a male athlete if you could read lips with those players. Don't treat them differently. And I said this yesterday. I have never been a huge WNBA fan, but I've gone to games and I followed it. The quality of play over the last 10 years. Go look at the stats and the analytics. Bigger, stronger, faster, jump better. It'll never be a vertical league like the NBA, but this whole thing, well, you know what she. I see these articles, she's saying, hey, the wnba, I can do what I want. I would argue the opposite is true. The WNBA mangled her first year, gave her a tougher schedule to start the season. Wnba, we'd argue, doesn't have her back enough. Christine Brennan on the show, that's what she's arguing. What she's doing is cocky and confident and self assured. And it's great. It's great for Caitlin. It's great for basketball players. You'll see college kids doing it. Soccer, ufc, swearing, confidence over the top is that that is the language of competition from Silicon Valley to Wall street, venture capital and the WNBA. And I'm here for it. A.J. brzezinski, by the way, here's Caitlin Clark. She is a trash talker. Much more than I thought. But you're hearing it and reading it now. Here's Caitlin Clark on her trash talking.

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Everybody knows that's how I play. Like, I want the crowd behind me. Like they love when I get into it with them too. Like they're here for a show. And like that's what I try to give them every single night. That's what we try to give them every single night. And that's what makes it fun. This place is basically full and there's so many young girls and young boys and adults and older men that you know this might be their first WNBA game ever. And like, you want to perform for them.

Colin Cowherd (37:39)

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Colin Cowherd (41:50)

Well, he played in the bigs for 19 years multiple time all star, a World Series champ on the city. Right now I'm in the White Sox just down the road from where we're at. Fox baseball analyst, always outspoken, does a great job for Fox and teammates with guys, Mookie Betts to Freddy Freeman. He's now joining us live. A.J. persinski. And I gotta start. You're gonna be calling the Padres royal Saturday on Fox. There, I mean, there is, there is palpable animosity between the Dodgers and Padres. You can see it. I mean it's, it is jumps off the television early innings. Did you have a team? Obviously you want to win games, AJ but was it ever personal? Was there a team you could not stand in your career?

Unknown (42:34)

Not player wise. Honestly, call it not player wise, fan wise. Listen, the White Sox, I was a White. So people remember me as a White Sox, Cubs, it was Cub fans. I mean, I got in a huge fight with the Cubs. People remember that. And Cubs fans were always a little bit meaner to me than everyone else. But it was nothing against the players. Now, were there players you played against you didn't like? Absolutely. But beanball wars, guess what? They're, they're not fun if you're getting thrown at, Colin. But they're fun to watch on TV when guys are getting thrown at. As long as nobody's getting hurt. We get managers ejected. We got managers asking who the f certain players are, who they think they are. So this is good for baseball. And yeah, you ask about Dodgers and Padres, they do not like each other.

Colin Cowherd (43:13)

Here's why I would be judicious if I was the Dodgers. Shohei Ohtani, who is now pitching. The Dodgers have more stars. They got more guys you can go after. Could I not argue? This is not, this is not a battle you want to get into throwing at people with the Padres.

Unknown (43:31)

Well, no, but here's the thing, Colin. They have to show them they're not afraid of them. Every team walks into a series with the Dodgers and there are teams out there that go, we can't beat them. Why are we even wasting our time? The Padres, they don't play like that. Mike Shill, Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis, all of these guys on the Padres, they don't play like that. We ain't afraid of the Dodgers, so we're going to show you. And they thought Andy Paul Hayes right there was relaying signs. Dylan Cease took his shot. Right. So what do they do? They throw it. Shohei. The problem with the show, hey, thing is they missed and then they got to take second chance. That shouldn't be how it goes. But the Padres want to show the Dodgers we're not little brother anymore. We're not afraid of you. We're going to stand up for our guys. And that's why you have to do it in today's game, because you. You can't go out there and take guys out a second and take run over the catcher. You got to do it by, you know, letting one get away by mistake sometimes.

Colin Cowherd (44:19)

By the way, before we move off the Dodgers, I've got to ask you, you played with Mookie Betts. And I said this a couple years ago. We pay so much attention to Ohtani, and we should. Bets is one of the. Also one of the most remarkable athletes. His dexterity is insane. Now he can play the infield. Why is he doing that? Take me behind the scenes with Mookie.

Unknown (44:43)

Well, Mookie came up as a second baseman. Don't forget. I was there when he made his major league debut. And the biggest thing I remember being on the Red Sox going, who's this little guy? Is this guy got power? And then we watched him take bp, and I was like, wow, this dude is legit. And they moved in right field, and he seamlessly moved from second base to right field. And then, honestly, I don't know this, but I think Mookie got bored. He's like, I played right field for years. One Gold Gloves, one World Series. Oh, you need me to play shortstop? I'm gonna show the world I can do that, too. I don't know if there's anything Mookie Bets can't do.

Colin Cowherd (45:15)

All right, I want to talk about. The Red Sox have been making a habit of trading their best players to the National League west. And that's why the National League west is so great. So Rafi Devers gets moved to San Francisco. I always wonder how it plays in a locker room when you trade the best hitter on your team and one of the 10 or 15 best hitters and you don't get high end position starters in return. Do you think it damages a locker room or do you understand the trade? Because that. That whole situation with Devers Cora was not good.

Unknown (45:47)

No. And add in Breslow and John Henry, right? Add in the whole Red Sox organization. So how does it play in the Red Sox? They're like, okay. Because if you ask the players. I haven't heard a lot of Red Sox players say anything about this. That's what's been surprising to me. I've heard a lot of front office people and Alex Gore talk about it. But I haven't heard a player really say, oh, Debra's was a. Was a cancer or not a good locker room guy. Because the guys I've talked to, they like Rafi a lot. So I don't know. This was personal. John Henry and Craig Breslow, and they had to make a move. It wasn't a good relationship. But if I'm Buster Posey, the Giants, I know how I reacted in their locker room. They were jumping up and up and down for joy when they found out we got Raffy Debbers for what? Wait, we had to trade some prospects and offset some money. But wait, we got one of the best hitters in the game. Oh, they're jumping up and down in San Francisco.

Colin Cowherd (46:33)

So I got to talk about the Yankees. J. Mac and I got into this yesterday. I said, you know, the Juan Soto deal was weird because the Yankees offered him a fortune. And there was reports that Steve Cohen gave him a suite and the suite was the difference, which is insane considering the whole thing. But you know what? People want what they want. They want respect. And Cohen came up and said, I'll give you, I'll give you a sweet. And if you look at the Yankees when, because there's no Soto and Stanton was hurt, it. It feels like to me. And Garrett Cole's out for the year, so they're. To me, the two times they competed against the Dodgers in the series is when Garrett Cole pitched. I don't think they match up with the Dodgers. I'm not sure they match up with a Padres. We'll see in the post. See, they've always dominated the Yankees have always dominated the AL Central. So they'll do fine against, you know, Detroit or whoever comes out of that. But my take is this. If Aaron Judge is not hitting this, this is a really top heavy lineup. And I, I think now is like, you start looking at that Soto thing and you're like, maybe we should have given him the sweet. But, but again, when Aaron's doing Babe Ruth. 424 away. But now Aaron's normal. He's hitting like, you know, average players do. Did Aaron Judge's early season streak hide the truth about this Yankees team and this Yankee lineup?

Unknown (47:54)

I don't know if it's, it's that cut and dry. But I will say this. When they lost to the Red Sox, they didn't score any runs. Who didn't hit? Aaron Judge against the Angels, they haven't scored any runs. Who hasn't Hit Aaron Judge. And how do the Yankees have to score runs? They have to hit home runs. Last night they scored two runs, both solo homers. Look at the rank Yankees rankings and numbers in extra innings. They are not good. They lose because they can't do the little things. They are built on power and home runs as an offense. That's why the Dodgers were able to beat them. Yes, they could probably get through the American League with what they have and survive because of the teams. But if you go through the National League and you look Padres, Giants, Dodgers, Phillies, Mets. Even though the Cubs in there, they're better than the Yankees 1 through 26. So that's where the problem lies. The Yankees are about winning World Series. But if Aaron Judge isn't superhuman and he doesn't hit and they don't hit home runs in the playoffs, home runs are harder to come by. It's a tough road for the Yankees.

Colin Cowherd (48:52)

So the Mark Walters group just bought the Lakers. They had a little piece. They bought it and I said to start the show, listen, they're smart. They hired Andrew Friedman. They have the best analytics, R and D. As a former baseball player, 19 years, multiple all stars, a World Series champ. I know the Dodgers have a lot of money. So does Steve Cohen. What impresses you beyond just the dollars? Because we found out a couple years ago with the Mets, you can't buy a World Series. There's got to be chemistry, there's got to be balance. What impresses you about their front office and the way they're run?

Unknown (49:28)

Well, they're. Andrew Freeman came from the Rays, right. They're the Rays super sized because they can go out and get depth. They do the same, a lot of the same stuff as the Rays, but they have money to spend on depth. And what they do is they made it a destination to go to the Dodgers. And every player wants to go play for them because you have a chance at a World Series every year. And if you talk to any Dodger player, they give you all the information, all anything you need, whether it's. You want a suite like, like Juan. So don't wanted to suite, they'll give you a suite. You want to. They fly two planes, Colin. They're the only team in baseball that flies two planes. One just for the players and one for everyone else. The support staff. I've never heard of that. In the playoffs, yes, but for a whole season. It's crazy to me, but they give these players everything, anything they want. And they're always open for suggestions, which I love. Hey, you want this?

Unknown (50:12)

Oh, are we.

Unknown (50:12)

Can we be better for this? And if you say yes, let's look at this or that. They'll look into it. If they make sense, they'll do it. They just redid both clubhouses in la, right? Because why? They're too small. But they're making money and they put the money back into the product, and that's why they're great, because of the depth. They spend money, and they spend money the right way.

Colin Cowherd (50:29)

Yeah. Good stuff. AJ Perzinski, I appreciate you coming on today. There's a. There. There is a lot of stuff. The trade deadline still a ways down the line. That's why it may have surprised people on the Red Sox Giants move. But I appreciate you stopping by, A.J.

Unknown (50:43)

No problem, Colin. Thanks for having me, buddy. Good luck.

Colin Cowherd (50:46)

You bet it is. I'm telling you, baseball's making a renaissance. There's just a lot of interesting stuff and there's, you know, and I don't know this exactly or precisely, so I don't want to just spitball, but ever since the regional sports networks, which Fox sold years ago, those I always felt were really valuable for the A's and the Pirates and the Royals and the Reds. There is a much greater gap between the haves and have nots in baseball. But if I'm a network, what do I care? I gotta. I gotta broadcast like seven, eight teams. I don't have to broadcast the bottom half of the sport. The top half of baseball, the Mets and the Yankees and the Braves and the Dodgers and the Padres and some of these teams at the top, they got. They got Phillies, they got dudes everywhere. There is a ton of talent. Now. It is concentrated largely on about eight teams. So what? I like watching the eight teams. The game's faster. More runs, more hitting, great drama. All right, we are done with the first hour on the show. Save big in your water and energy bills with a Navient tankless water heater. Go to tanklessmadesimple.com 15 year warranty only heats water when you need it, so it never runs out. A navient. Go to tankless made simple.com hour2. Next.

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