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LaVar Arrington (3:21)

It's the Herd, fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You can find us as always on the iHeartRadio app. You can listen to us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country on this Monday in which people have opened up the law offices of Bitch and Moan to discuss what the f that was that the NBA rolled out during All Star Weekend.

Greg Tuohy (3:50)

They was, they was tweaking, I mean tweaking NBA All Star Weekend weekend.

LaVar Arrington (3:56)

It's just, you know, people not real thrilled, not real thrilled with the, the current format or whatever this this format was this past weekend. Yet a dunk contest featuring a guy who's played, you know, 14 seconds in the NBA win it again. You had whatever this rinky dink circus tent pop up event that was supposed to be the All Star game show back up. And people are not happy about it and are not thrilled with the content and the view that they got var over the All Star weekend.

Greg Tuohy (4:31)

I mean I was thrilled cause I didn't have an experience cause I didn't view it. Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (4:38)

If you want me to break down who had the best dunk of the night on Saturday?

Greg Tuohy (4:41)

I watched it. I watched the highlights of it all. But to watch all of it, you know, Wyatt doesn't have that type of mass appeal because let me tell you something, them dunks were crazy good. They're crazy good dunks, man. And that used to be the highlight of somewhat of a, of an NBA season. That was what you wanted. You waited for, you were excited. Who's going to be in the dunk contest? Who's doing it this year? And you would learn, like you said, somebody who doesn't even play very many minutes. You would learn about New people and they would become celebrities. I'll never forget when Kenny Skywalker won the dunk contest doing like, like aerodynamic, like acrobatic, like you know, like a ballet. He was doing ballet in the air when he was dunking. Like, Kenny Skywalker wasn't like a dope basketball player for the Knicks. But we found out, we learned about who he was because of the way he was dunking. Like it just built a lot of. It built a lot of brands. And in the NBA back in the day, like in, in the late, you know, mid-80s, early 90s, you know, 90s, like it was All Star Weekend was a thing. And I think, I think the NBA is suffering from the same exact thing that the NFL is suffering from as it applies to their All Star weekend, which is what is the relevance of, of these weekends. What can you do to make these weekends more relevant than what they are? And I don't, I think it's because of technology and all of these different things that's going on. Fast paced technology. I think it's very, it is a riddle that the NFL or the NBA has yet to figure out.

LaVar Arrington (6:39)

So the way they laid it out was it's four different teams. You had rising stars, you had just like whatever the TNT crew had their teams and to break down the different categories and they would all meet up and then they would go into the final, just Team Shaq, Kenny, Chuck, Candace park, like all that stuff, it was just a fiasco. Like there's just, there's too much going on. It was not all that entertaining. It wasn't funny. Like they tried their hardest to try and add comedy to it. It wasn't funny. And so Draymond Green, who is, you know, slowly becoming better and better and better and his media career, after he's done play it' blossoming after his career is over, he's going to be, you know, sitting with, you know, the, the great medium, the great former players to ever do it post career when it comes to the media. He spoke last night on TNT and gave a brutally honest critique of this new format.

Greg Tuohy (7:35)

You work all year to be an All Star and you get to play up to 40 and then you're done. This is so unfair to Victor Wembayama who just took this game really seriously. Shea Gilgames Alexander, who just took this game really seriously. When you talk about chasing after the points, Melo Kobe and all these guys who've had great scoring nights, they don't get the opportunity to do that with this game. Also, we can watch some Rising stars. We're about to watch the Olympic team. Now we get the treat of watching the Olympic team play against the U19 team. Come on.

Jonas Knox (8:06)

What are we doing?

Greg Tuohy (8:07)

Scale of 1 to 10, your thoughts of the format. 10 being the best. Yes. A zero. Sucks. Well, at least he's honest. And that's, and that's a fair, honest assessment.

LaVar Arrington (8:21)

You know what I think the real problem is with the NBA. I think the problem is the timing of it all. That. Why would you have. Because, listen, you mentioned the NFL All Star Games minus Major League Baseball are awful.

Greg Tuohy (8:37)

They're awful.

LaVar Arrington (8:38)

Like the Pro bowl looks like an airing of double dare from 20 years ago. It's like you're waiting for some guy to slide down a chocolate slide and pull a flag out of a nose. It's awful. Whatever they've, they've thought they were doing to try and protect players in the Pro bowl, it's terrible. It's not so much that the All Star Game sucks, it's the timing of it all. The NFL season just ended. There are people that are looking for things to watch and the NBA throws out this. Instead of, hey, why don't we maybe do the All Star Game? I don't know, like, do it the same weekend of the Pro Bowl. Do it earlier. Like, let's, let's, let's move it up earlier so that, that way when the NFL season is, we're putting on primetime marquee matchups. You want to throw Celtics thunder on because they're two of the best teams in the league, that's fine. You want to throw the Lakers with Luka on. But do that and present your product timing wise in a better. Imagine if you're an NBA fan and you're like, all right, I'm going to give this NFL a try and the first thing you see is the Pro Bowl. You'll be looking around go, what the f is this? If you're the NBA, I don't know why they refuse to counter program. I don't know why they refuse to acknowledge you're not even the second most popular sport anymore. You're third behind college football. Why don't you like, adjust your timing? We've talked about, you know, start the season on Christmas Day and move it back so you're not competing with the NFL during and college football in the World Series and major. All the other stuff that goes on in the fall, move your season back. In this case, this feels like an easy fix. Just have your All Star game sooner, whatever you want to roll out, but the first weekend out of the gate with no football. This is the product. You present it like, it doesn't make any sense to me because it's an awful watch. And now all the conversation is about, man, the league is broken. It needs to do this, it needs to do that. Instead of, we could be talking about great games, great matchups, like, make it a marquee moment to where NFL season's over, we'll take it from here. And instead they rolled out crap.

Greg Tuohy (10:51)

Again. Say the saddest part of the commentary, outside of it being true, is, is that the, the dunks were phenomenal. They weren't just good, they were phenomenal. And nobody cared. You know who cared? The people who are probably upset right now that I said nobody cared. And that's like the, the, the niche portion of basketball fanatics. You have some basketball purists who love to judge anybody who doesn't, which you have that in every sport, but those are the people who care. What I don't understand is, again, how do you allow for such a disconnect to take place on something that has been such a major part of our American culture to slip into non relevance? I just don't get it. Like the three point contest, people like watching it. That's something that people will watch it. It was something that it mattered. But make no mistake about it, you enjoyed the game because you knew in the second half they were all going to play and they were going to play hard and they were going to want to win the game. And the dunk contest, like that's what it was. And I just, I asked myself, when, when I, when we were coming into the topic, I asked myself, is this just a symptom of me? Like old heads are always the ones that say, oh, it was so much better when it, when I was coming up. It was, it was so different. Da, da, da. These days, you guys, you young, young bucks don't know anything about, you know what, what it's all about this. That is so different. Now. Am I, am I take, like I gotta take a step back and say, am I coming at it from the wrong lens, from the wrong perspective? And I looked, I looked at social media because social media can now give you an idea of how you're feeling and what the algorithms are and because if it's something, that's something, it's going to be there, it's going to pop up, it's going like, you're making fun of Jello, you're making fun, you're making fun of his Song that's one of the highlights of the whole deal is making fun of Jello being the main. That's your main performer.

LaVar Arrington (13:16)

What's there to make fun of one.

Greg Tuohy (13:17)

One song. Like, it's not even. Like, the dude got an album out. Like, the dude has one song that they may go viral and he not even really a real performer. He like, I'm sitting there, I'm like, you did not need all this gimmicky stuff. And. And it made me take a step back and say to myself, are we now looking at an NBA? That is a personality less NBA. That's what it may. My ultimate. My ultimate thought and my conclusion was, do we have an NBA now? Like, do you know the personality of Victor Wembanyama? Do you know his personality?

LaVar Arrington (14:03)

Uh, yeah. Well, he reads books before games, which.

Greg Tuohy (14:08)

Okay, that's a no. Do you know his personality?

LaVar Arrington (14:11)

You know.

Greg Tuohy (14:11)

You know why we like Anthony Ant man so much? Because it's the first time we get a pulse of somebody having a freaking personality that. You know why we like Draymond Green? Because we get a pulse of what a person. Do you know who Draymond Green is? Do you know how he is?

LaVar Arrington (14:30)

Sure.

Greg Tuohy (14:30)

Exactly, Exactly. Steph. Steph Curry. Relatively obscure. You know, he could shoot the ball. You know, he's a good dude, does things in the community. You know, his wife. But do we really know his personality? You have those type of personalities from back in the day, but it's like they're like not. They're not the A list group of celebrities. That's. You knew who Michael Jordan was. In fact, Michael Jordan told all of us to come fly with him. And every one of us thought we could fly. And that's why we still be wearing this. I got. I don't have no Jordans on today, but I had some on yesterday. Oh, man, I had some on yesterday. And I'd be damned if I don't have Jordans on more often than Got some eyes on. Right. Bottom line, new ballots. We knew who Dominique Wilkins was. We were all trying to be the human highlight film. We all were. You knew who Spud Web was. He was the more quiet one. He was like that quiet one. But you had so many personalities. Charles Barkley telling you to f off. I'm not your. Your role model. I'm not your role model. I'm not your role model. I think what has happened with the NBA more specifically, which you shouldn't lose because they don't wear helmets. You don't have to battle people. Not Knowing who you are and what you look like, you're six foot, whatever, looking like an avatar. You gotta have. There has to be more, more established personalities, like throwing guns up in the club, throwing ones. Strippers. Like you can't have John Morant, who is one of your biggest names and dopest players. That's. That's how we know you. That's how we know you. Like, that's Jason Williams back in the day. And he's like the degenerate of all the superstars. But even then, you knew who Jason Williams was, personality wise. Because it was a point to make sure that the personalities were getting consumed by the consumer. You're selling the game. We know who LeBron James is. We know his personality. We know who he is. We. He drives it. Because his personality and us knowing him, us going on this NBA journey with LeBron makes sense. How many players in today's NBA can we say that about when? You could say that about each team. Each team, if you were a Pistons fan, it was Vinnie the Microwave, it was Isaiah Thomas, it was Joe Dumars, it was Rick Mahorn. And you knew they were. Because they had. They all had Bill Lambert, they all had their, their personalities that you love that made them the bad boys. If it was the New York Knicks, from Oakley to Mason to Ewing to Starks to. To Mark Jackson, you knew who these people were by market. And their personalities drove the game and they mattered. From the Celtics to, you name it, the, the Rockets, they all had their different personalities. The Portland Trailblazers, the Indiana Pacers, sitting there choking that Reggie, Reggie Miller. We got to know Reggie Miller. He's sitting there choking himself out to Spike Lee. There were so many great moments that built a relationship between the players, the teams and the fans.

LaVar Arrington (17:51)

It's unrecognizable. You don't have comparison to that.

Greg Tuohy (17:54)

I mean, am I off on this, do we? There's. That's a disconnect. That's a disconnect. Like, what's, what is the connection to the player? What is the connection to the players as in. In general? And what's the connection to the team? Where has that gone? Because I think in a way largely in part because of fantasy football and all this stuff going on with gambling. I think it's decentralized football as well. I think that's a large part of the problem that we have in football at this point now as well, is that decentralizing of what the fan could really focus in on and that connection to the player and that connection to the team. I think it's been, I think it's been removed.

LaVar Arrington (18:34)

Well, I mean, the good news is the All Star weekend's over.

Greg Tuohy (18:36)

So there you go.

LaVar Arrington (18:38)

At least there's that.

Greg Tuohy (18:39)

Hopefully this is the last time we gotta talk about it.

LaVar Arrington (18:41)

Like at least, at least there's that. So, so if you are not a fan of the All Star weekend, congratulations. It's Monday, it's over. It is the Herd here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arring, Jonas Knox sitting in for Colin. So we are going to have some hardline news coming up later on this hour with Greg Tuohy starring Greg Tuohy. We'll be doing that throughout the course of the show as well too as we take you all the way up until 3pm Eastern Time, noon Pacific here. Coming up next though, we've got some more details as to why one move was made in the NFL and it is really getting juicy. Somebody really trying to get their side of the story out there. You'll hear those. That's next.

Greg Tuohy (19:24)

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LaVar Arrington (24:10)

It's the Herd, Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington. Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up here in about 20 minutes from now in the Herdline news, we are going to talk about what the future of the NFL could look like. And it's involving somebody who might have had a little too much to drink. So we will get into that for you again. Lee Dillap Little 20 minutes from now. No, no. Lee. Oh, no.

Greg Tuohy (24:31)

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LaVar Arrington (24:34)

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LaVar Arrington (24:41)

On a holiday. Just grinding away here.

Greg Tuohy (24:43)

You got to grind it.

LaVar Arrington (24:45)

All right, so here we go. This is. God, this is so much fun. Aaron Rodgers and the jets are no longer together. All right. They broke up. All right, we're going to treat this like it's, you know, a celebrity breakup. So they're no longer together. Who? Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. Yeah. Believe it or not.

Greg Tuohy (25:02)

Now, were they ever together now or did they track.

LaVar Arrington (25:06)

There's some fun developments on this Albert Breer of our buddy who comes on with us every week on 2 Pros and a cup of Joe. He said the following in his MMQB column. Quote, the reality was that the jets desire to move on was about them and not Rogers and timelines that don't match up. New York was looking at a deliberate reimagination of its football operation, which was going to be tough to marry up with a quarterback playing for this year alone. There was no ultimatum on discussing Aaron's outside media appearances. But there was a discussion about it. So that from Albert Breer, who just kind of said, listen, you know, this whole thought that the Athletic came out with that he can't do the Pat McAfee show and they were trying to.

Greg Tuohy (25:50)

Set some rules and all that, that was propaganda. Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (25:53)

Not exactly the. Exactly how it played out, but this is why this is hilarious.

Greg Tuohy (25:58)

Talk about it.

LaVar Arrington (25:59)

Steve Helling and Ryan Dunleavy of New York Post reported that Rodgers, quote, pleaded with the jets to keep him and that in the final conversation with the team's new regime, he, quote, aggressively urged the franchise to give him another year, even two. In the end, he reportedly accepted the decision. Quote, like a man going to the gallows.

Greg Tuohy (26:23)

What a bunch of.

LaVar Arrington (26:24)

What a bunch of crap.

Greg Tuohy (26:25)

Write a novel. Get out of sports reporting. Write a novel.

LaVar Arrington (26:29)

It's just so. It's so bad. But what it does do is illustrate the point that Aaron Rodgers was right the entire time because he told everybody there's too many leaks in the organization. There's too much of this stuff going on. He's been out the door for 20 minutes and already you've got three different reports about what happened and what transpired, none of which have come from him.

Greg Tuohy (26:53)

All from the jets that you know of.

LaVar Arrington (26:56)

You think he. He's gonna portray himself as walking to the gallows with the New York Post?

Greg Tuohy (27:02)

No, like. But. But the idea of putting something out there to make him more of a sympathetic figure could be a diffuse for him.

LaVar Arrington (27:12)

That organization is a diaper fire, and it's not.

Greg Tuohy (27:18)

I think that's what it also ultimately comes down to is whether some of it was Rogers or not. You're still looking at an organization that. That runs it in a toxic manner. And I always reference back. I lived in it, I worked in it, and I understand what that type of environment does to the players, to the people that work in the building, from the people clean up the locker rooms to who takes care of the field, to the per. The receptionist at the front, to the media department, to the scouting department, to the sales department, advertising, you name it. Toxic is toxic. And it becomes a part of the entire culture of what you have going on, operationally speaking. And without knowing very much about the New York jets and having been through their doors, I can just tell you the things that you see, the things that you hear that come from that organization internally totally illustrates what dysfunction and what toxic looks like. It's like the epitome of what it would be like. If you say, here's the definition of what toxic or what dysfunctional looks like. It would have the New York jets as an example. And listen, I'm sorry if you're a New York jets fan and that offends you, but the reality of it is is that, that you guys ultimately become a part of that dysfunction too. You ultimately become a product of the culture as well as fans because you are living through these moments that get leaked out and get. And get pushed out by, by the New York media. And the New York media has always had what I would say a fun time with taking the stories and the leaks and the information that they get and putting it in their periodicals or reporting on it. I mean, Francesa, Mike. Mike, Mike.

LaVar Arrington (29:18)

Francesa.

Greg Tuohy (29:18)

Francesa. I mean, he can talk 20 hours about what's going on just in New York sports if he wanted to. I've been in the, I've been in the studio and have had an opportunity to listen to him and, and how he's able to talk about New York sports and, and what's going on. It is a part of the culture. And if you don't have a solid sound way of how you handle your business internally with your sports organization, it will ultimately become what you are. And that's what you see. Hell, that's what you're seeing with the New York Giants right now. And I would have never thought that you would say that. From my time there, it seemed like it was a very well organized, very well structured group by the mayor and the Tisch family. It seemed like they did just an amazing job. But it even seems like they have now fallen victim to the same exact toxic, not operating at a high level, dysfunctional organization. It's the New York teams period right now in football.

LaVar Arrington (30:25)

So like for the Jimmy Butler Miami Heat situation, that, that was toxic towards the end because, I mean, you know, these reports about he left, you know, left him on the tarmac, he wasn't showing up. He didn't get a lot like just went out of there. But that when it was over, he said, I got nothing but respect for the organization. And it was done. We were gone. It was over. He went his way. That's fine. Hey, listen, didn't work out. Have fun at Golden State. We're going to do our thing all as well. The jets just can't let it go. It's over. You're moving on. You've made the decision, you've gotten out there that you want to move on from Aaron Rodgers. The timelines don't add up. All is well yet every day a new detail Comes out. Why? For what?

Greg Tuohy (31:17)

Because it's New York. Because, I'm telling you, it's. Because it's New York.

LaVar Arrington (31:22)

Trade for Justin Tucker. Okay? Like, if you want content, make a move.

Greg Tuohy (31:28)

They got enough of them massage parlors. Yeah, they do. By the way, red open side, that's all you gotta look for. I was told just look for the red open sign for massages, and that's the place.

LaVar Arrington (31:39)

And they, and they probably keep better secrets. Like, I'm just like, you know, like if you're looking for, if that's what you want it to be, like. And it feels different than we talk about the Cowboys and Jerry Jones and, you know, he's all, you know what? Loves the drama and loves to be, you know, have the team out there, but it feels different because, like, with Jerry Jones, like, you know, like what, you know, this is about a business, the jets, it's just about drama. Like, we just got to get our story out. Like, we gotta. We gotta get this out and that. And so when the discussion becomes, hey, what's gonna happen next for both sides? Where does Rodgers end up? You know, like the different teams that are out there that are being rumored to be interested in him, I mean.

Greg Tuohy (32:19)

That becomes the story, right? Well, that should be what becomes the story.

LaVar Arrington (32:22)

And the reason that becomes the story is because there's not a person walking the face of the earth. I don't care if you're Fireman Ed. I don't care if you're some mechanic in Brooklyn. I don't care who you are. That's a diehard Jets F. There's not a Jets fan walking the planet who has any confidence that this organization is going to be able to figure it out, A, at quarterback and B, roster wise, to get back to the playoffs or get back to some sort of relevancy. It's not happening. Like, nobody should feel any confidence in it. And especially after. Well, we got rid of the old regime. We got rid of our GM and our head coach and our quarterback. We got a brand new coach, brand new gm. We are back. You just got rid of your quarterback. And instead of hearing about what the plan is for them to move.

Greg Tuohy (33:09)

Yes, you want to keep throwing dirt on. On a dead her, it's over a dead boss hog.

LaVar Arrington (33:15)

It's done. Like the coffin. It's in the ground. They're shoveling dirt on it.

Greg Tuohy (33:22)

Well, your coffin's in your bed.

LaVar Arrington (33:23)

And, and they're. And they're trying to open it, pry it back open and get one last lick in. Like the body's cold and they want to get one more insult in. Oh yeah, you pos. Like. Like. No, just close the lid. Throw some dirt on. Throw some ro. Yes.

Greg Tuohy (33:38)

And they won't. They.

LaVar Arrington (33:39)

They've got. There's got to run to the media, got to get these stories out.

Greg Tuohy (33:43)

And. And. And it's like it's somebody who drives like a super fast car, super loud car and they like making it rev up and like. Like get into everybody's like day and interrupt it while they're having a peaceful meal or whatever it may be. Yeah, it's the same type, right. You're insecure about something. Them dudes and them cars that be revving our home, they got something wrong with them. If there's something that is insignificant.

LaVar Arrington (34:10)

If I did that with my truck, if I tried that with my truck.

Greg Tuohy (34:12)

Your car would die.

LaVar Arrington (34:13)

It would vanish, would literally disappear and.

Greg Tuohy (34:16)

You would evaporate with it.

LaVar Arrington (34:17)

Like I would just be sitting there holding a steering wheel.

Greg Tuohy (34:19)

First off, your. Your truck would not be capable of making that type of sound anyway, so. But I almost feel like that's a reverse. You're hiding something. Like there's a reverse something wrong with you. It's like you're not getting a brand new 100,000, $200,000 car that says, hey, he. Pay attention to me. You got the. The. The five thousand dollar truck that. That says, hey, load up your. Your tools. We're going to go, you know, mow some lawns.

LaVar Arrington (34:49)

Look in the back seat.

Greg Tuohy (34:50)

We're going to go handle some plumbing or you know, look at the back seat.

LaVar Arrington (34:54)

It's. It's the outfits for a mariachi band like to.

Greg Tuohy (34:58)

The instruments are there. I'm just saying, like. But you got equally. You probably have something that you're compensating for as well by under. Under. Underwhelming yourself with the vehicle that you drive. It's the same thing with this New York jets organization. Same thing probably with the ownership is, is that there is a tremendous amount of trying to overcompensate for an in adequacy of something. And maybe it's winning, maybe. Maybe it's relevance in the sports sphere. I don't know what it is, but they are overcompensating and it's like play to hits. You know how Q hits you with play. Jonas. Play to hits. Let's talk about Dallas. Da, da da. Whatever it. I think that this is one of those things where they won't get to leverage. Aaron. Rod, you know how they get to leverage him again is if Aaron Rodgers went somewhere and did really poorly, I don't think they would try to leverage him if he went somewhere and did really well. I think Aaron Rodgers would leverage it if he went somewhere and did really well. But that's the only way you get to use Aaron Rodgers again to generate some type of roi. Because you've gotten zero in reality of an ROI from bringing in Aaron Rodgers to your organization. They're trying to get their return on investment, so they're going to keep playing the hits. It's, it's fresh into the, into the off season. You did do all of those things with all these new people. So basically paint a picture of how effed up it was so that now you can sit there and say, hey, look at what we did. We are doing things better. We are being a better organization. You know what I mean? Like, get, we're getting Aaron Rodgers up out of here. You know, he's not going to get any more coaches fired. Da, da, da. Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, you're toxic. You did this. Like, get rid of them. Like, okay, there you go.

LaVar Arrington (36:40)

Listen, Aaron, we're really, really concern, concerned about, you know, if you did come back, what would it look like these weekly media appearances you're doing with the Pat McAfee Show? That's our big concern. While we go to the media multiple times over to let them know that we're telling you not to go to the media or else you. It's like, dude, what are you doing?

Greg Tuohy (36:59)

It's okay as long as we're doing it.

LaVar Arrington (37:01)

Yeah.

Greg Tuohy (37:01)

It's just not okay when you do it.

LaVar Arrington (37:03)

Like, you know, it would be like, like a drug addict standing outside a fast food place going, hey, man, get your life together.

Greg Tuohy (37:10)

Dang.

LaVar Arrington (37:11)

Excuse you. You've got a, you've got a spoon with a lighter.

Greg Tuohy (37:15)

Dang.

LaVar Arrington (37:15)

And it's noon. I'm. I'm having a milkshake and fries.

Greg Tuohy (37:20)

Both will kill you.

LaVar Arrington (37:21)

Yeah. Yes.

Greg Tuohy (37:23)

That's why I use PhD weight loss.

LaVar Arrington (37:25)

That's right.

Greg Tuohy (37:26)

What up, PhD? Both will kill you, though. I'm just telling you.

LaVar Arrington (37:29)

The damn Jets. You. I, I'll say this.

Greg Tuohy (37:31)

I drank a strawberry milkshake yesterday from In N Out, by the way, did you hit the spot?

LaVar Arrington (37:37)

Damn.

Greg Tuohy (37:38)

Yeah. It was better than watching the NBA All Star. And it's also better than talking about Aaron Rodgers getting asked on by the jets because we already know they, they did equal. If you ask me, they did equally to put s on one another from Aaron Rodgers and how he's handled things to the way the jets have handled things, it ain't as good as that Strawberry milkshake, by the way.

LaVar Arrington (38:03)

By the way, if I had a strawberry milkshake, I'd have to throw away my shoes in a half.

Greg Tuohy (38:07)

Oh, yeah. Like, are you lactose intolerant?

LaVar Arrington (38:11)

I'm something, something.

Greg Tuohy (38:13)

I am, I am. And I. And I was in Penn's music, her dance recital yesterday and. And I just got to tell you, if they had those, those like those things they have at, at Disney where it monitors you or it has the heat and they can see the gases coming from you, really, you know, I'm talking about we talk. That's a real thing that they can kick you out of or arrest you.

LaVar Arrington (38:40)

If you're passing gas.

Greg Tuohy (38:41)

Yeah, they ban you from the, the park if you're passing gas.

LaVar Arrington (38:44)

Don't come to a radio studio.

Greg Tuohy (38:45)

Oh, well, you shouldn't have been there. And nowhere near me yesterday. Nowhere near your boy yesterday. Every time somebody dance, I like do one of them, like movements. Like I dance with them. Like it's just like, like a little duck come out like, you know, and it was strawberry milkshake because I'm lactose intolerant. But I really enjoyed it.

LaVar Arrington (39:06)

You're a trumpet player.

Greg Tuohy (39:09)

I try to make sure it was really loud. It was great acoustics in there, so you couldn't really hear me.

LaVar Arrington (39:14)

I mean, it was good though, you know, it's not a representation of the, of the product. It's just, you know.

Greg Tuohy (39:19)

No, Lactose intolerant. Didn't, didn't.

LaVar Arrington (39:22)

Well, I mean, the, the jets are success intolerant, so there's that.

Greg Tuohy (39:29)

It is what happens when they have success. What's their allergic reaction?

LaVar Arrington (39:33)

It is the herd here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington. Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next in the Herdline news though, we are going to tell you what the future could look like in the NFL. And these are comments from somebody who might have had a little bit too much to drink. We'll get into that for you here on fsr.

Greg Tuohy (39:49)

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Greg Tuohy (43:22)

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news and.

LaVar Arrington (43:29)

It stars Greg Tuohy.

Greg Tuohy (43:30)

Yeah.

E (43:33)

Jonas, good to be back with you.

LaVar Arrington (43:34)

Screw you music.

Greg Tuohy (43:36)

Thanks.

E (43:36)

You know, when they have Jason McIntyre to Ryan music to me, the EP OG, you know there's something wrong. There's something wrong.

LaVar Arrington (43:43)

Well, listen, you know, we appreciate it because, you know, you take your craft seriously. You're not, you're not in Bangladesh.

E (43:49)

Like, I don't mess around. Yeah. I don' I don't go halfway across the world. I'm a grinder, grinder. I'm a grinder. I'm grinding with you guys today.

LaVar Arrington (43:56)

I feel you.

E (43:56)

All right, so Mack McClung is now our three time dunk champion. Right. And nobody questions his repertoire of dunks. Right? Lavar, you were saying earlier they were amazing, right? They were awesome. So last night after the dunk or Saturday after the dunk contest, more dunk.

Greg Tuohy (44:09)

Contest than hitters, though.

E (44:10)

There were. There were. Yeah. He just liked the props, the cars and all that stuff. So after the dunk contest, veterans, veteran stars weighed in on social media saying they would be interested in doing the dunk contest here. John Morant Mac might make me decide. Dunk Giannis to jaw. If you do it, I'll do it. Haha. Zach Levine thinking I might have to do it again. So LeBron was asked after the dunk contest if he's had any regrets about never participating in the dunk contest.

Greg Tuohy (44:36)

There's no part of me that have regrets about not doing it. Obviously I had a couple moments where I wanted to do it and it just never worked out that way going into the following season, either because of injuries or I Just wasn't up. I wasn't up for it. I mean, if those guys do do it, I mean, those are stars, superstars in our league. And obviously, we know the athleticism that the guys Jesus named. It'd be pretty cool.

E (44:55)

So, lavar, you hit this earlier. Like, we need the stars back, right? We need the stars back. My biggest issue, and I told Jonas this yesterday, was that.

LaVar Arrington (45:03)

Is that Mack McClunge white.

Greg Tuohy (45:05)

Oh, wow.

LaVar Arrington (45:06)

Oh, you didn't say that. I did not say that.

E (45:08)

I did not say that. I did not say that.

LaVar Arrington (45:10)

Sorry. Racist.

E (45:11)

I screenshotted Mack. So I said, I texted Jonah a Screenshot of Mack McClung's stats this year. Jonas, do you remember how many points he's averaged this year in the NBA?

LaVar Arrington (45:22)

Seven or something like that?

E (45:23)

0.0.

LaVar Arrington (45:24)

Oh, okay.

E (45:24)

The problem that the NBA cannot have their dunk contest champion not being an NBA player. Am I crazy, Lavar? Am I crazy?

Greg Tuohy (45:31)

No, you're not. Like, you're not.

LaVar Arrington (45:35)

And by the way, why do you have, like. Actually, you know what?

Greg Tuohy (45:40)

They should.

LaVar Arrington (45:41)

If you want star power, why don't you have Bronny James vs. Jello Ball next year in the Finals? All right. Why not?

Greg Tuohy (45:47)

I just think that, to your point, you have to have that nice blend of the mega stars and the obscure stars. Like, there's nothing wrong if an obscure star comes out and beats you. I think if LeBron is being honest, if he's being real, he didn't want to lose. Like, let's be clear, I don't think he wanted to lose because I think that that would have hit him in a certain type of way. He clearly keeps his name relevant within the goat conversation. And I just think that that's one of those, you know, people rarely bring it up as a sticking point in the argument. But let's be clear. MJ was owning them dunk contests. He was owning them dunk contests.

E (46:35)

Yep.

Greg Tuohy (46:35)

And you couldn't get LeBron to do one.

E (46:37)

Yeah.

Greg Tuohy (46:38)

And you knew. And you knew how explosive he was. Like, he mess around with people. Posted on Social. Throw the ball off the wall. Boom, boom. Bounce, bounce, bounce. Go catch it. Dunk it. Like, he'd mess around with people, but he never really went for the dunk contest. Like, and I think that that. That was. That that showed something that was exposed. Exposure.

LaVar Arrington (46:58)

You don't have to be, to your point, a superstar to do it. Like, it just. It's the fact that it's somebody that's not on a roster. It just feels weird. Like, remember when D. Brown Won it. He did the pump.

Greg Tuohy (47:10)

Pumped his shoes.

LaVar Arrington (47:11)

He wasn't a star player, but he played. I think he was on the rookie already team. Like, he's like, he was an okay player. And, and he. That, though, is what he's known for. So it can increase your value from that standpoint. But. But it's like there's no way for them to build on the back of this because Mac McClung doesn't play. So it's not like, oh, hey, there's that guy from the dunk contest.

Greg Tuohy (47:33)

That's where your problem lies. That's where your problem lies.

E (47:36)

And he can win it one year, fine. But he's now won it three years in a row. Like that's.

Greg Tuohy (47:40)

That's a problem is even if he wins it, cuz his dunks are dope. Like, there's nothing wrong with him winning it. It's who he's winning against.

LaVar Arrington (47:47)

Sure.

E (47:48)

Yep.

Greg Tuohy (47:49)

Beat LeBron. Beat John Moran. I want to see John Moran go out there. We see how explosive he is, like, and I want to see these guys go out there and compete like. And if you're not going to do it that way, then go out and get these professional dunkers. Get a professional dunker and let them go up against the NBA guys and see who wins.

E (48:10)

All right, let's head to Philly here. So after the Super Bowl, Saquon talked. He was throwing around some dynasty talk, and then over the weekend, he was at Cane's. Have you guys been to Canes before?

Greg Tuohy (48:20)

Raising canes.

E (48:21)

Love canes. He was over at Cane's, working at Cane's over the weekend. And he kind of backtracked a little bit. Here was Saquon on his dynasty talk after the Super Bowl.

Greg Tuohy (48:31)

I said after, after the game, why can't our dynasty start now? Probably had a little bit of shit pain and other stuff in my system at the time, but you really can't focus on that. You just got to enjoy the moment. It's hard to win one. You take it in, you enjoy the moment, and you start over. Find a way how you can hold that Lombardi up again and do it all over again. So the dynasty that you can't really get caught up in that. The way you do that is by putting the work in.

E (48:54)

So he's right. He's right.

LaVar Arrington (48:56)

Typical Penn Stater.

E (48:57)

Typical Penn State. So we all assumed that the Chiefs would kind of go on a little run, right? But with the Eagles, do we think they could go on a little dynasty run? Jalen Hurts is taking the Next step, they've got young stars on D. They don't have many star free agents. They could potentially lose. And they've got all their drop talent.

Greg Tuohy (49:14)

They got strong young talent, too. They're built for it.

LaVar Arrington (49:17)

It's. It is so hard to do. Again, as we've seen with the Chief, which is why the Chiefs going back to a third Super Bowl. Nobody ever done that to go to three straight, let alone try to win three straight.

Greg Tuohy (49:31)

The Chiefs are dynasty though, right? Yeah, that's a dynasty for sure. How many times do they have to do it before they're considered a dynasty? They got one. They made. They made a. An appearance and lost to a dynasty team.

LaVar Arrington (49:46)

I think you need another one, just one to. To be in the conversation. To. To. To be. Look, hey, well, maybe this is like, listen, I think the Bills going to four straight was a dynasty.

Greg Tuohy (49:56)

That's a dynasty.

LaVar Arrington (49:57)

Like, I know they didn't win it. I know that's going to piss people off. But the Bills going to four straight Super Bowls is incredible. And, you know, the fact that they were unable to win one is like.

Greg Tuohy (50:08)

They got embarrassed in the Super Bowl. Like they were. They were. They were going down to the wire. Losses, they were field gold kicks that were, you know, that one against Dallas was pretty bad.

LaVar Arrington (50:18)

The highlight from that was Don Beebe chasing down Leon Lett.

Greg Tuohy (50:21)

All right, Knocking it out.

LaVar Arrington (50:22)

Yeah, but the Scott Norwood.

E (50:25)

Oh, brother.

Greg Tuohy (50:26)

I'm just saying.

LaVar Arrington (50:27)

You know, I was thinking about this too. They were showing. After the Bills lost that first super bowl, the fans showed up. There was like hundreds of thousands of Bills fans that showed up to support them just losing a Super Bowl.

Greg Tuohy (50:38)

Good.

LaVar Arrington (50:39)

The Eagles win a Super bowl bowl and they're like, people are getting shot. They're punching police horses. They're blowing chunks over the rail at night, in the morning.

Greg Tuohy (50:48)

They can be a dynasty. Saquon. Stand on it, y'all. They can be a dynasty. I believe they can. Damn. There you go. We are Pennsylvania, baby.

LaVar Arrington (50:58)

Hell yeah.

Greg Tuohy (51:00)

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Colin Cowherd (51:53)

Up a kid from school and write at night.

Greg Tuohy (51:55)

And after nine hours you come out.

LaVar Arrington (51:57)

With seven pages and then you're moving on.

Greg Tuohy (52:00)

And actor and comedian Jack McBrayer.

Jonas Knox (52:03)

The most important aspect is the collaboration with people that I like.

Greg Tuohy (52:07)

I trust our talented.

Jonas Knox (52:09)

That has been the most amazing gift to me about this crazy business that we've chosen.

E (52:14)

Meeting these people who have such diverse talents and you're able to create something together.

Greg Tuohy (52:21)

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